Escape Photo Reference Limitations

[@ProkoTV]

Learn figure drawing from Patrick Jones in his new course and save 20% on it for a limited time - proko.com/patrickjones

[@matthewdavis9437]

All you're doing nowadays is collecting well known artists and putting a paywall on their knowledge that benefits you. It's a disservice to artists everywhere when primarily your goal is to financially gain from lesser experienced artists instead of teaching art.

[@ProkoTV]

@@matthewdavis9437 We didn't produce this course for Patrick. He made this for himself and came to us with it. No collecting involved. As for the idea that we're taking peoples' education materials and putting them behind paywalls, a massive portion of all courses we make ourselves are released entirely for free here on KZbin. We don't do this for self-produced courses like Patrick's because that's their materials they put work into. But look at our anatomy, portrait, caricature, and Drawing Basics course playlists here on KZbin, compared to the publicly available list of premium lessons on the course pages. You do not need to buy the premium courses to actually use them. We've been very clear about this. Seriously, go take a look. Anatomy is like 80% of the course here for free. It's mostly materials unsuited for KZbin for content reasons. You can even submit your results following along with those free lessons and get professional critiques for free. We also have a free set of lessons from several courses www.proko.com/free A free community of fellow artists, teachers, critiquers and more www.proko.com/community And a free timed drawing session tool that includes reference photo packs that are yours to keep www.proko.com/timer Other platforms that sell courses keep everything ONLY in the courses. That's not how we work. We want any student with a KZbin account to be able to get an art education, all for free. But if someone wants a little more, they can get a premium course. We appreciate absolutely everyone who buys a course from an artist who's worked hard to share their knowledge. But we'll always share a very large portion of the courses that we make ourselves here. If we wanted to make more money, we would do things very differently. We're a small team and like being that way. We don't sell a bunch of merch online or anything because when people come to us, we want them to be able to put their money into furthering their knowledge or getting art supplies/tools. But we understand why someone could perceive us being like the other, frankly, trash platforms that make it so artists get no money for their work and the students of the world have to pay for bad courses without even fully knowing what's inside the course.

[@petervargas483]

@@ProkoTV I already have this!!!!!!!!!!!!………….And I’m waiting!!!!!

[@countesschewi2399]

This is something that I definitely needed a reminder of recently - a photo reference is just a reference, where you take basic information but also combine it with your own knowledge to create something new.

[@sael5084]

And where do you get your own knowledge to add on references

[@SpaceBoyDigital]

@@sael5084 Follow one teacher. Study all their material. I recommend ALL of Loomis’s Books. He has one for called Successful Drawing that has great perspective tutorials. Youll get something out of every book even if you werent practicing that specific subject. Tryst me, you need a basis of fundementals THEN you can learn on your own

[@williammclean6594]

Practicing and also reading art books and taking classes to get that knowledge​@@sael5084

[@slugintub]

@@sael5084 a lot of study of anatomy, knowing where things are, and exaggerating what you see as beautiful

[@KarmangerBanga]

​@@sael5084Copying lots of references to fill up your visual library

[@creece6904]

There's a beautiful quote I learned yesterday by Luke Adam Hawker: "Don't learn to draw. Draw to learn." These videos feel very much in that spirit.

[@japz321]

12:52 "So remember you're an artist. You're not trying to copy what you see. You're trying to interpret it and make it more beautiful." I love this quote, it helps me stem away from mindlessly copying a photo and all of its tiniest details which is impossible to draw

[@Wise_Llama]

There's a smoothing quality to this video, I really appreciate the instructor's voice and tone and the way he explains things.

[@APG2112]

Patrick has quite the skill for teaching this stuff. I came across his oil painting books from my search for fantasy painting fundamentals in the theme of Frazetta. Once I noticed he was creating videos with Proko,I knew we were all in for something special. For me,the quote about killing the ego was amazing. You can apply that to life in general and be in a perfect peace with thyself. Thank you both Proko and Patrick for creating some of the best learning material on the subject.

[@tomjames9681]

I love Patrick J. Jones. He really helped liven up my figure drawing, and I’m always appreciative of that Frazetta style fantasy artwork.

[@caseyfrechette]

This is amazing. Huge fan of Patrick's work but I have never heard him speak before, let alone gotten a lesson like this. When it comes to figure art, I think he is the closest thing to Frank Frazetta drawing breath on this earth today. Thanks very much Proko and Patrick for this video!!!

[@ag-13studios51]

This is something I've been worrying about for a really long time--thank you so much for this!

[@AaAa-je5eo]

Endless knowledge coming from Team Proko with such legends as Patrick. This channel just gets better every year. 👏

[@sebastienbadia]

Far be it from me to criticise Patrick, he's a master and there's no arguing with that. However, it's normal for the foot to be larger because it's closer to the observer. For example, if you place your hands vertically in front of you, with the left hand close to you and the right hand with its arm outstretched, then the right hand will 'appear' smaller than the other. This is the law of perspective. To be sure whether or not there's distortion, you'd have to check the proportions when you take the photo, which isn't always possible. Patrick could simply say "here" I'm taking the liberty of reducing the size of this foot to better match the rest of the pose. And in the end it's the great artists who 'dare' to take this kind of liberty! Mike Mattesi would probably do the opposite and lengthen the leg and perhaps the foot too! Amazing ! "Not being afraid of the art", thank you Patrick ! Greetings from France! Sébastien.

[@yuleassagai1684]

First thing I noticed was that elegant Sartorius shape too. So smooth and curvy. Was fun to hear you mention it as well!

[@zanettilla]

I've seen some comments talking about how "He meassured only half of the hand" or "the foot is larger because of perspective". First, the "meassurements" you see (those blue lines) were done by the editor. there's no way of knowing if Patrick messured only half of the hand, and he probably didn't. The thing about perspective making the foot larger also depends on what you are doing. I personally like the effect cameras have, I am always mindful about what type of lense I want to use in my drawings (wider lense=more distortion, longer lens=less distortion), but Patrick here is talking about studying figures where you need to work as if you were using your eyes which dont have as much perspective distortion as we tend to think (actually eyes doesnt even work that way but whatever. Always remember that there are multiple ways of doing things, don't go and criticize a professional artist with a bunch of years of experience as Patrick, and understand where he comes from and what he is talking about. Generally, don't try correcting these pros, you'll end up looking foolish.....

[@ProkoTV]

You mean the person going all over the comments mentioning it in ever response they can? 🤣 Patrick was definitely using his intuition to take the shown closed hand, extrapolate the length of it, and then compare it to the foot to create his measurements. There's definitely an entirely valid use for exaggerated perspectives, from the smaller amounts like this photo to the intense perspective warps we see in manga and anime. As you said, this is Patrick flexing his art muscles and making use of one type of reference to inform a specific goal for a piece. As artists, we can aim to remake the exact reference, stylize and idealize, or depart entirely from it and use the reference as a touch stone for our desired final piece. It's all about building up that knowledge so we can do what ever we want in our art with *intention*. Thanks for having this nuanced of a comment! Not every KZbin comment can go that way and it's nice to see lol

[@zanettilla]

@@ProkoTV you're welcome. Yeah I was talking mainly about that guy hahsahaha I don't like when people want to correct a professional artist that's been doing what they do for *decades*. I always try to listen to them, they've been studying for so much longer than I have who am I to tell them what they should do or what they did wrong?? They'll surely have something to teach me, and if I don't like what they are saying I can close the video and continue with my life, not going through the comments trying to make that artist look like a fool... its just so annoying.

[@ProkoTV]

We can absolutely be wrong! Patrick's been wrong and we certainly have been before lol We responded to that person and hope it helps it make a little more sense.

[@zanettilla]

@@ProkoTV yeah of course, it was the attitude mainly. Still, claiming that a profesional artist, who even wrote a book on camera distortion for artists (not that writing a book makes you automatically right, but it means that he had to at least study a thing or two before writing it) doesn't know that things appear bigger when they are closer to the observer.... is nuts.

[@heitorsantoslima9289]

Oh, just a small correction: all lenses wider or longer distort the subject but in different ways. There is a lens closer to the distortion of the human eye, though, I think it's the 45 to 50 mm lens. Edit: after doing a little bit of research that lenses are a rule of thumb, actually. There are different types of "normal lenses".

[@artistsandipsingh]

Love from India, I always watch your videos they one of the best lessons for drawing. Thank you for giving us this valuable but free content.😊

[@petrap.7256]

I've liked it a lot. It's so helpful watching pros drawing and explaining everything in detail

[@Narja23]

As someone who only see with one eye because of a birth defect, this is SO useful ❤ thanks a lot!

[@danlewis7707]

Your assertions regarding forced perspective, those that commented, are on the right track but if you recall the moment towards the beginning of the video the artist mentions monocular camera lenses versus our binocular eyes. The point he was making is not that forced perspective can't be viewed in the image, rather that the image has a perspective that is artifice and that artifice is an artifact of the camera rather than a natural part of the image. Not to say that forced perspective isn't in application but that it has been greatly magnified. As to the notion of removing any perspective peculiarities in the pose, that is perhaps a factor but only as the reference might be applied to a scene. So the assumption that he was indicating this is contrary to the point of the video and therefore must be a misapprehension.

[@Pikawarps]

I just started my drawing journey last week (Aug 23) and in the last week I’ve made sure to do at least one drawing a day, I’ve used video tutorials, photo references, geometric shapes from memory, and things I’m looking at with my own two eyes. Right now I’m still not very good, but i think i will be okay at the basics in a few months

[@ProkoTV]

That's the right attitude! You've got this! Know that there will be a time coming up where your knowledge will exceed your drawing ability and you might feel like you're not progressing or you've somehow gotten worse at drawing. This is normal! Keep going with your intentional practice and you'll be so happy to b making things that you'd only dreamed of making before. Good luck in your art journey!

[@alecannas1972]

@@ProkoTV "your knowledge will exceed your drawing ability" that's something tha i've already heard and also expreienced. As someone who's learning to draw i'd love to see a podcast episode or simply a video about the topic. I mean, how do you deal with that?

[@ProkoTV]

@@alecannas1972 In several episodes of the Draftsmen podcast, Stan and Marshall talked about persevering through different blocks as an art student. None fully devoted to this exact topic but this one might help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIvZiKN-qK6MrtU

[@MalkathiusRecord]

I was trying to find reference photos with a higher focal length but this is a great point to just correct the drawing, leaning away from those odd distortions some reference photos exaggerate. Really good exercise and now another thing to try understand and correct, cheers.

[@mrfake5251]

I love Patrick, he's such a great artist

[@THUNGUNS]

And this is why drawing from life is important

[@freeman35423gs]

Absolutely beautiful I love so much your explanation around particular curves based on muscles position, and embracing failures 👏👏👏

[@bubba_good]

You’re a great teacher, thank you.

[@robhughes2832]

Fantastic, it's so wonderful to watch a master at work. Thank you.

[@Astaa-10k]

Oh my~ THANKS PATRICK

[@Sans_571]

Imagine the power you would had if you had these drawing skills

[@thorneblackwood3834]

Simple for me, i want to draw like how you master john, but you are unique. Thats way I strive to make my work as aesthetically appealing as yours.

[@Ardeact]

Tons of information and beautiful drawing!

[@hawaiidispenser]

Wonderful, philosophical teacher.

[@helenstyx5549]

great knowledge. every sentence so much great information - thanks for sharing!

[@mia2art]

Such an insightful video! 📸✨ I love the tips on how to overcome the limitations of photo references. The techniques you shared are really going to help improve my drawing skills and add more creativity to my work. Thanks for the valuable advice and for helping us think outside the box! 🎨👍

[@ProkoTV]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Teti_K]

Ideas described in the video are very important. Thank you for sharing them with us! And I like the idea of the author to get rid of distortions made by camera lenses. But it is very hard (almost impossible) to do it correctly. In this photo distortion affected not only the length of the foot but also the sizes and shapes of the knees, for example (and all other parts). I believe that for beginner artists (as me and maybe most of the viewers) the attempt of trying to change perspective this way may result in disproportion in drawings.

[@ProkoTV]

Definitely a thing to consider. There will many distortions and as you're changing thing to suit your desired end goal, you'll have to balance them and constantly check yourself.

[@revrodrigueza8489]

"you lose accuracy, but you gain beauty"

[@Strawberryqueen69]

Thank you! This is a very important issue, especially for art students. It is something they usually don't tell you in videos , only at offline lessons

[@JansifyArt]

This video is really helpful! Im a 3D artist and funnily enough i feel like it might be even more useful for that. Let me explain why. So as already mentioned the camera distorts the view in a different way than the human eye would, If you are working with 3D you generally are not trying to sculpt a distorted model since the camera in your render will do that depending on your settings anyways, meaning that if you sculpt in distorted proportions then your render will make them potentially even more distorted if i understand this correctly. Really considering to get the book! Thanks for the video.

[@Ark_bleu]

I feel so called out by this thumbnail😂

[@vibrantvitalityandinclusion]

Thank you for affirming that we have the power to shift things and change, l started doing that l was scared before because l thought it wont come so good if l did

[@diananicoletti101]

Patrick has taken many liberties. My eye, if trying to capture the likeness exactly, saw angles and placement of arm and butt and legs differently than what he drew. IMO, a photo is a springboard. Depart from the photo and make it your own. I’m weary of seeing paintings for sale at art fairs that were obviously taken from a photograph and are lifeless. Copying exactness from a photo (unless for a skill exercise) is redundant. The image was already captured in 2D. It’s done. Admire it. Move on. Every artist is an individual with all that makes them create what they see. Bring something more to the image! Patrick knows what he’s doing and why.

[@danielfernandeznungaray8996]

Amen 🎉

[@smithgroove945]

Very good vid. I like your shaping.

[@3polygons]

Actually, very solid advice.

[@GRiMELORDD]

So great!! Loved this one!! What kind of pencil is that??

[@SaharNateghiArt]

Absolutely is useful this video 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@Tha_Pencil]

You can't fathom how much I needed this video at this point in my artistic journey. Thank you proko. Do you think you think professional artists would recommend the iPad for professional work?

[@ravaniacrescentia3643]

fantastic mindset!

[@leespiderpod]

This is why Jack Kirby was the master

[@ProkoTV]

Add it to the miles-long list. Kirby's a god-tier artist, for sure.

[@Art-live-life]

Thank you for the explanation! I usually get stuck at my realism drawings because of perfectionism. Like, if I were to draw using this reference from the video, I feel like the triceps line should be more inclined downwards. The elbow then should be further from the line of her chest and closer to her stomache. And, her jaw line should be straighter. Are my eyes accurate enough?

[@TASmith10]

My first question (thank you for bringing this up!). Isn't the model's foot larger because it's closer to us? Her hand and face are farther away. To what extent is this really "camera distortion" and not a question of foreshortening? Her hip is behind her foot, her ribcage is behind her hip, her face is behind her ribcage, and her right hand is behind her face. The extent to which these recessions change the proportions of the figure depend on how close or far away the camera is to the model - the same as with your eyes. The "camera distortion" is really just telling the viewer, you're close to this model.

[@TASmith10]

2nd question - are all the videos in your course complete yet?

[@recycledideas4261]

I’m confused. Wouldn’t the foot be bigger because of foreshortening? If the model were to stick her foot out a bit, towards the camera, wouldn’t it appear bigger compared to her hand which is on the chair?

[@ProkoTV]

You're absolutely right that there will be a difference because of the foot being closer to the viewer than the hand. But the model is in a fairly folded up pose so there won't be as large of a disparity in size in organic perception as we see here. The massive difference between the hand and foot in this case is a great example of what Patrick is demoing here. Camera lenses introduce a much larger difference than we realize.

[@recycledideas4261]

@@ProkoTV Oh ok. I agree with Patrick that cameras will distort the proportions on a subject and appreciate his technique. Maybe he could have used a couple other examples with models in various poses and angles, so we could have a better grasp of his technique.

[@ProkoTV]

@@recycledideas4261 Yeah! His book he mentioned does cover it in greater depth but we'd love to see him tackle it more on his channel. We only had him over here for an afternoon when he was in town so we didn't get many demos on the same topic. But next time!

[@innovativeidea]

I want to know that does length of back also distorted by camera lense? In sketch women torso is short as compared with the photograph. Length of front folded leg is slightly big than in sketch.

[@vicentevvga]

Amazing demo! However, I don't see the point of avoiding perspective distortion. Wouldn't it be better for the learning process to embrace that effect and try to capture foreshortening during gesture practice?

[@zanettilla]

I think with the eye the distortion is generally less noticeable. There are different ways of approaching it, I do really like the distortion cameras add and understand how they work (to a certain extent) so I even apply it to my life drawings. Patrick has he's specific field, it woul've been better if he cleared that out but whatever. To add an example, you wouldn't ask an anime-style illustrator to draw smaller eyes or thicker necks. Well, you wouldnt ask a fine artist to add camera perspective distortion. (just to clarify again, theres nothing wrong with any eporoach, but patrick's is teachin his

[@ProkoTV]

We get where you're coming from here! Patrick is an artist who aims for the perception of the human eye and sets himself a goal to find that in photo reference that is skewed by the lens. It's not something that an artist has to do, by any means. But it's a fun exercise and a thing to consider when you're working back and forth between photos and life reference.

[@honeykeks]

I think the photo has more depth than the drawing. The way Patrick draws is a natural thing. But drawing the foot bigger is a thing of deeper understanding of how our world and our sight work.

[@UshuNeo]

Excuse me but, which pencils is he using? Looks like conté pencils but, when he smudges it seems softer, like charcoal without the fat.

[@nailbomb420]

he has materials video on his own channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/baOnl4BpeL2lepY

[@UshuNeo]

Okay, I've found them. I didn't know about this materials. It sees like Peel & sketch charcoal pencils also he use compresed charcoal pencils. Those are pencils made of charchoal with out fat 😅 Finally he use choped charchoal and then he sand them in different types of tips. For the darker tones he use conté in the end of drawings.

[@FunkeeDonkee]

Awesome!

[@shuvoDhar.5537]

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[@richardharvey4070]

is that vine charcoal for the sketching?

[@yousifmohamad6161]

Thank you sir

[@atailoredmind]

Hey, very beautiful video! I felt like I needed to hear this because I struggled a lot with being trapped inside reference (so to speak). I'm not very familiar with the equipment Patrick is using. Can someone enlighten me please? Thanks in advance :-)

[@Ellionart]

Personally i disagree with making leg smaller. In original that leg is pointing towards us, creating also overlapping shape of foreground/ middleground that leads our eye into the rest of the figure (thus creating more sense of space, rather than 2d placement of the figure). So the drawing feels less dynamic without perspective. We're splitting hair here though, it is nothing more than nitpick. Artists got to take risks and make choices, sometimes they don't pay off, sometimes they do and we all gonna have different opinions. Drawing is so masterful without a doubt.

[@Ellionart]

To add to that i like how in original diagonal of the foot points and continues diagonal of the hip, creating sort of uneven triangle with the whole leg and contrasting with softer curves of the torso. Just my 2 cents.

[@beetlejuss]

I prefer the perspective on the photo, the draw looks like she is supporting herself in the front leg, if the camera lens is 50mm it would be very similar to what the human eye see, and also human eyes are very close together, so the difference between each eye is not dramatic.

[@honeykeks]

I was thinking something simular. The photo has more depth than the drawing.

[@UyenNguyen-cl2pb]

That Proko jumpscare lol

[@ProkoTV]

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[@petervargas483]

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[@alex_sz-x5t]

Hey, great video as always, Proko team, but I only see these lessons applied on a small paper format like A4, could you maybe make a video about drawing on B1 format (100cmx70cm)? It would be so helpful for me and many other learning artists. Have a great day!

[@sanatvakti]

Dear illustrator; While building a picture, we close one eye as part of the measurement method, and then we feel perspective and front-back disparity, which we call racursi, in proportion and proportion, just as if we were seeing through the lens of the camera. This is the law of nature and physics. Please ask for enlightenment, which one does drawing reveal in reality? seeing double eyes? Or seeing with one eye? I think I have an idea in my mind, but can you share your knowledge or experience that will prove it wrong? Thank you, best regards

[@Hen_Art20]

Proko i am begging you to please do a timelaspse of drawing something scary, like horror.❤❤❤ If you have anytime at all❤ Thank you Day1

[@ProkoTV]

This is the closest we've got! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHyqi6NolMaAe9ksi=lPVnOlze20oYa_uT

[@Hen_Art20]

@@ProkoTV thank you so much ❤️ I will definitely check it out 😊❤️❤️

[@dubshelb]

Any way you could list the exact types of drawing instruments and their hardness level (or softness level, I guess?) used for this? I think Patrick used two different things, an art pencil and...charcoal? Graphite stick? Thanks!

[@nailbomb420]

a video from his own channel going over materials he uses: kzbin.info/www/bejne/baOnl4BpeL2lepY

[@AhsanKhan-ty8gl]

What pencil is that?

[@ArtisanandAlchemist]

Just here to comment the background music from Camille Saint-Saens I first experienced in the film "Days of Heaven" from Terrence Malick...

[@oiaeyu]

Can someone explain whats wrong with the photo? Why would binocular vision change how big the foot is versus a camera? Wouldn't our eyes also have that perspective of the foot being larger as its closer?

[@ProkoTV]

Yeah! "Binocular vision" is just one part of the puzzle for why it's different. We average the two views of things so we don't perceive the proximity of an object quite as drastically as a camera can in some cases. The brain does a bunch with this info that we don't even realize. The bigger part of it is the lens distortion. A wider angle lens is more "fisheye" and things that are closer to the lens have even more of the appearance of foreshortening than we would normally see. Think of characters holding a gun up super close to the camera in some movies. Here, Patrick is pointing out that there's definitely a difference between the foot in the front and the hand in the back, based on average proportions and the pose of the model. Here's an example of lens distortion. Watch how the nose is huge and the face slim at the start and the end has the background looking way closer to the guy. That's how big of a difference it can make on the extreme ends 🔗kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYW3iYxniMpjm8ksi=iyy_e-rIS8AqlCh-&t=13 Many artists will work from a photo reference and never feel the need to modify the perspective as he has here and that's totally okay! This is a fun exercise for an experienced artist who's mixing things up and specifically aiming to modify a reference to a different end goal. The photo isn't bad! Just a little different from how we see in real life. All credit to Grafit for a fantastic photo reference! They've got a HUGE library of references photos that have different poses, costumes, themes, angels and perspectives for everything an artists could need!

[@oiaeyu]

@@ProkoTV ooh i see, thank you!

[@Msannamitta]

see this is what I'm talking about photo's don't see everything correctly and lacks the mood of the thing

[@MIGUEL2005LIMA]

Escorzo is a camera error?

[@UshuNeo]

I think, the idea is more like when something looks wrong despite it is okay. Weird shadows, something on stressed perspective etc

[@kaelthas9970]

I wonder, does "Fantasy Figure Drawing Wizardry" provide some lessons how to make unconventional anatomy, like snake tails, goat legs and so on?

[@nailbomb420]

I think we have too many artists known for their big heads xD

[@g8610g]

Just came here for the thumbnail ✌️

[@Maidenless123]

Can anyone tell me the width of shoulder compared to the head ,, how wide the head shoulders should both male and female's case , the end point of a proper flesh covered figure not the joint,just for clarification,

[@bluefox5331]

It will all depend on the individual. But for the "ideal" proportions we sometimes see on diagrams, male would be, width from shoulder to shoulder, two head heights long, a bit less for female. But if you're trying to get the proportions intuitively it's best to just do gesture drawings, sketch from photographs or from life.

[@albericponcedeleon2696]

Like the other person said, shoulders should be about two heads wide for an individual with an average build. Do a little bit less than two heads for a thinner frame and a little bit over for a larger frame. Once you start hitting like 2.5 heads wide, the figure will look more like a bodybuilder/strongman. Also don't be afraid to measure yourself and ask close family or friends to be measured for reference.

[@JuberKokane-ue3nm]

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[@CRUCIFi777]

Is moving her arm out from the chest making her more beautiful?

[@Carlrug]

Idk it makes me uncomfortable that he is calling the model beautiful so often

[@bluefox5331]

@@Carlrug Eh, I kind of get it. I could call a tree beautiful when I sketch it too, it's just got the forms arrange and look when you draw them. Definitely see how it could sound uncomfortable when referred to a human, but doesn't necessarily have to be odd

[@nailbomb420]

@@Carlrug Oh no, shall we put aside a special safe room for your feelings... omfg people these days.

[@hannahdeards9652]

​@@Carlrug When you've been doing figure drawings for so long, even a frail old man in the right pose and context could be considered beautiful. The model has a lovely gesture and pose. He said that the point of his art is to make things more beautiful, too. He's clearly interested in the beauty of things. It's not wrong to call people beautiful (in fact a lot of people consider it a compliment!)

[@Carlrug]

@@nailbomb420 holy shit are you actually getting offended by me trying to make a joke

[@randommcranderson5155]

the proportions on the reference look better than drawn proportions, though. Whats the point of leaving behind the effects of the foreshortening and camera lens if the result is worse? Just seems like bad decision making. Maybe its just a disappointing demo.

[@ProkoTV]

An artist may be making a complex piece that utilizes multiple references if they can't work from life. The different warping perspectives would make the resulting piece feel off and unnatural. The distortion of this one reference is comparatively small but those differences add up in a piece and can be much more drastic ones for you to try to change. If you're working from one image only and are fine with the amount of distortion, you may be just fine with using the photo exactly as is and that's entirely okay.

[@joshuaGmartin2023]

That foot is closer than the hand; that's why it's bigger, no?

[@tenorsurfer87]

Correct!

[@joshuaGmartin2023]

@@tenorsurfer87 I don't get it then. He builds a case that photos distort by comparing the foot to the hand. But the foot SHOULD be bigger because of perspective... By forcing "known proportions" you would distort the image, making it unrealistic. Which is hilarious because that's what trying to be avoided here.

[@bluefox5331]

@@joshuaGmartin2023 Yes, seems odd.. the only thing I can think of him really trying to do is pull back the "camera lens" we're seeing the artwork through, so he's trying to make the foreshortening less extreme?

[@Strawberryqueen69]

That is what they are talking about in the video. The foot is closer to the viewer, but when you are drawing a real life model, you wouldn't see this distortion, even if you try measuring it with a pencil, because of how your eyes and brain works. Also, the foot and the head belong to one person, so they are not so far from each other for perspective distortion. In academic drawing and fine art you wouldn't find perspective distortion, because these rules appeared before the invention of photography. In 20th century surrealist artist and lots of comics and graphic novel artist adapted perspective distortion on figures in their artwork, so they look more dynamical, so this is also accectable and can be used in your style, but if you want your drawing or painting to look realistic, you should keep in head the proportions or draw from real life models

[@SpaceBoyDigital]

@@joshuaGmartin2023 I think the point is a photo reference kinda forces perspective and this is a trick to eliminate that. Imagine I want to insert this exact figure hes drawing into a comic scene; from the orignal reference that would be difficult because of the super forced perspective - the foot is only foreshortened because of the camera lense, our eyes wouldn't perceive the figure that way in reality.

[@jamiececilielange5249]

In most languages, Y is a vowel, and that is also how it is used in the word 'rhythm'.

[@AlexanderMastrian]

what kind of chalk or pencils is he using?

[@Strawberryqueen69]

Many people are questioning why is perspective distortion ignored, here that's why: In academic drawing and fine art you wouldn't find perspective distortion, because these rules appeared before the invention of photography. When you rely on your own eyes and draw from real life, you would't see distortions on one person, because of your binocular vision and of the way you brain works. You can even proof it by measuring a figure with a pencil. In 20th century surrealist artist and lots of comics and graphic novel artist adapted perspective distortion on figures in their artwork, so they have more dynamic, this is also accectable and can be adapted in your personal style, but if you want your drawing or painting to look realistic, you should keep in head the proportions or draw only from real life models

[@randommcranderson5155]

foreshortening is not an invention of photography, its a consequence of how vision works for anything that sees - eyes or camera. Lamentation of Christ by Andrea Mantegna features foreshortening and it was created hundreds of years before the camera or photography.

[@oncrack3247]

12:53 - 13:02

[@fruitypebbles803]

This is great but please have some more diversity in your models! 90% of people are not young and thin models, so your references are not that useful for drawing the majority of people out there. Give us some fatties pls! ❤

[@MarcChessMarcChess]

Hey proko! I’m a huge fan, but I suck at drawing, any tips?

[@ProkoTV]

We're all bad at drawing until we learn to be better! Try following along with these free Drawing Basics lessons: kzbin.info/aero/PLtG4P3lq8RHHMNwxuVk0IcGRtPGHi4vN9&si=zUQP4HDvZ28u7oKH Good luck!

[@MarcChessMarcChess]

@@ProkoTV thank you so much! I will never forget this!

[@soupbonep]

These videos don't offer me any value for improving. Watching someone draw and talk at the same time is too distracting for me. I'm looking for techniques for a technique for basic practice of the lay in for getting a likeness. Not how to develop style. But this video came up in my search. There are no videos showing how to practice the lay that is not digital. I would like for someone to suggest a video where it shows how to practice the lay in with pencil and paper and reference photos.Thanks

[@ProkoTV]

We've got a couple playlists on our channel that might help. All traditional! Here are two for portraits: 🔗kzbin.info/aero/PL39135B8D190B7C97&si=6JC0baVy66_y90_p 🔗kzbin.info/aero/PLtG4P3lq8RHHFhiyjXP4UT-yUo7pC13GQ&si=c9yBx6pCTegINTMK

[@Dy1an-f8c]

After I learned how to measure proportions, not measuring drives me CRAZY. I need to learn NOT to be like this😭😭

[@РайанКупер-э4о]

So you just telling us to unmake natural perspective? Draw it like we are a mile away looking through a spyglass? «Anatomy can be naughty and ugly» - so you're telling us to hide the truth understand the carpet? What a heck of a recommendation are those? Bend the truth until it's beautiful?

[@rufustrosky6953]

I make all my drawings ugly, not by choice

[@philswiftreligioussect9619]

Every like = +1 drawing skill idk give me rent

[@betanzomelendezjuanpablo7339]

hello proko why am i getting worse when i draw i can't even draw an eye that looks alike with my reference, eyelashes the shape of the eye my hands shake, i don't seem to can do it. the faces i draw. don't even look alike, you don't see the resemblance.😪😔😥😨😢 i know i have to keep practicing but this is getting worse. help.

[@bluewren65]

I really wanted to watch this but the music in the background was so annoying I had to stop.

[@ThrillaWhale]

Just pretend you’re taking an art class from Hogwarts.

[@bluewren65]

@@ThrillaWhale Uggh, if only I could shut it out.

[@matthewdavis9437]

Disingenuous. He measured half the hand, didn't include the fingers, and then compared it to the foot. It's not distorted. The hand is not abnormally small, nor is the foot giant. He's also wrong about there being no vowel in rhythm as "y" is essentially a vowel in many words, this is one of them.

[@tylerpicketpin9456]

Damn, you can't watch more than 30 seconds without complaining? Even to acknowledge what he is referencing?

[@matthewdavis9437]

@@tylerpicketpin9456 I watched more than 30 seconds. Did you even read? I guess you don't like facts.

[@XotoriD4rak]

Keep complaining dude, it's probably the only thing you got going on for you. This comment ain't your first rodeo eh?

[@orlandoshaw9503]

11:17 dat ass... (jk))

[@cizgisel]

ben daha güzel çizerim.

[@jeffreykeeney5363]

The likes are going up faster the a gasoline pump at $10.00 a gallon. (US)

[@carlosrobertoviana9076]

The foot is size becouse there are a perspective

[@honeykeks]

I dont get it. The photo has more depth than the drawing.

[@sumitshrestha8428]

Pin my comment Proko❤

[@thomasetavard2031]

Do you not understand how perspective works. That foot is much closer to the camera and would look just as big in real life. You talk about 3D and 2D but you are drawing the people the same way they did in the Middle-Ages. If the camera was using a fish-eye lens ok but then you shouldn't be using it as a reference for an accurate depiction. if you are not trying to draw this model then so be it but if you are then you are not being honest to the subject in the photo. I give you a 2 out of 10 for this session. What you drew looks like a distorted mess.

[@ProkoTV]

Absolutely! You can aim to recreate what you see in reference photos. The exercise Patrick laid out here isn't that and he is using it to create a drawing more akin to how you'd view this in person. Whether for fun or out of necessity, a wider angle photo is still a valid refence to use and will come up often for artists. It's totally okay if you didn't like Patrick's results, though! But let's dig in on that "how perspective works" thing and whether it would appear like this in real life 🤔 We can see that the model is in a pretty compressed pose in the photo, being largely upright and folded into herself. The shadowed foot underneath her can inform gauging how stretched out she is/isn't. The angle of the toes that we see, the idea that's she's probably not fully sat on top of that shadowed foot and more all mean her legs are held pretty close to her. Taking that information plus averaging the hand and foot proportions from what we can see would point to the lens doing a fair amount of distortion and being wider and different than how the human eye would see this in real life. It's not an anime fisheye scene levels of distortion but is worth taking into account for the exercise Patrick's laid out.

[@ducksoff7236]

The lesson goes completely over your head and you say "don't understand perspective"!? LOL! Humans have gotten use to distortion in photos and when we see photos we ignore the things that are "off". Some people now see more people in photographs then they do in the real world and the brain has adjusted making the distortion unimportant. Which is why he says "people will forgive the photo but they won't forgive your artwork." EXACTLY what you have just done. If you were standing where the camera took that picture her foot it would look nowhere near as large. Then you are judging this 10 minute gesture where he literally pushes and pulls every limb just to explain examples you as an artist can do and act like its suppose to be some supper accurate drawing in perspective which wasn't the purpose of this throw away sketch at all! HILARIOUS! So its you who doesn't understand distortion. This comment gets a negative 8 out of a possible positive 10. P.S. Oh yeah. The actual purpose of the sketch in case you were wondering was to show that the camera does distort and the drawing was just messy notes on what to look for and how to correct at your discretion as the artist.

[@SpaceBoyDigital]

Its simply a method to leave the perspective in the refence behind IF YOU CHOOSE TO. This is perfect for matching poses to compositions you dont want to change or have already created, or simply because you want to add a specific pose to a scene.

[@DreamMistM]

one of my favorite artist !