ESO - Flame Staff COMPLETELY CHANGED! Good or bad?

[@jimleonard4014]

they should make fire staff a channel for heavy attacks with a fire ball at the end. that would be fun and cool.

[@jasonnnsaurus822]

Great video! Appreciate this very particular info. At first, I thought you’d elude to the Asylum staff being competitive with the Maelstorm staff. Thanks!

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

I feel like this setup could work great with scathing mage, as so many direct damage procs are going off. It will finally make the set one of the better choices for spell damage

[@MrCabledawg45]

I oddly still use scathing mage lol. It's a great set. But nobody uses it.

[@nicoleb1938]

Feels like a nerf to my double inferno nb

[@Business101HQ]

Exactly, so pissed off as I loved my double fire stave magblade

[@andrealasorte7747]

​@@Business101HQ it seemed like a buff to unoptimized builds and a nerf to optimized ones but even then it looks so bad i'm starting to think i'm getting it wrong so let's say you do 30k DPS with single target skills,that would require proccing 6 status effects per second to even out or am i missing something? edit : oh well i play magden anyway and frost staff got some small buffs with the added pen so i can't complain,not sure if it will be worth to run a backbar lightning/fire now for the HA dot or the buff to DoTs (do you know if you only need to cast the skill while wielding the staff or you need to have it equipped to benefit from the 12% dmg increase?)

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

@@andrealasorte7747 the damage of the passive scales and crits so it doesn’t work like that. If your procing 6 per second that is a huge dps increase from what you were doing before

[@godzpancake201]

I love the detailed explanation on everything is really helps and I love watching it 💪

[@dontblockmedk]

As with all changes like this status effect buff, the simplest way to make it more useful for everyone without being abused is to CAP the # of buffs per second then tweak the value. For instance, instead of ALL first ticks of status gets 500 extra damage (where as you say Xy people will just massively stack into that) what about only the 4 status effect per second can get 1000 extra damage. That way stacking more than 4 won't give anything but even doing one or 2 will be a nice little bonus. Or even diminishing returns, first status effect gets 3K, second 2K, 3rd 1K, 4th zero per second.

[@mike2kmagic1]

I never heavy attack with a flame staff unless i ran out of resources, shock staff way to go :D

[@steroitzz]

Flame staff maybe better for HAs now. And yeah it sucks

[@jamesfromthecomputer]

No this is goated for me, just came back to ESO and changed my DK to magicka based fire with dots, the Runecarver set is so good and this adds another dot to tick, before we had to spam LA

[@davidmckinley5343]

I wish they would make the flame staff act like arrows that curve to chase enemies. My flame attacks get dogged in pvp all the time.

[@velly7540]

Hard lock your target it helps a bit and if you play in 3rd person a lot of people seem to have it angled downward if you tilt it more even it helps to keep targets highlighted.

[@DS-lk3tx]

I wish you had to actually aim and land hits in pvp. That would make zippy quick builds more useful.

[@velly7540]

@@DS-lk3tx make a more tanky build like run plague doctor and rallying cry or gaze of sithis or just stuff to keep you in the fight so you can get use to it and get more aggressive build wise as you get more familiar.

[@DS-lk3tx]

@velly7540 I already uninstalled and went back to shooters. Pvp on a roleplay game depends to much on what the developer decides to "break."

[@mayedalshamsi]

What I want to understand is... why? Who asked for this change? I don't remember inferno staves being broken OP or broken weak. Why touch something that wasn't broken?

[@guardianv5846]

Does status affect damage deal a set amount or does it scale off of your stats?

[@venrahtryne5253]

its based on spell dmg and max mag has a 4 sec duration and ticks every 2 seconds

[@guardianv5846]

@@venrahtryne5253 thanks. I was hoping that it scaled off either spell or weapon damage after the hybridization

[@DarkSorc7]

I'm fairly certain the 10% pen was after flat stat's were counted. Just like most other buffs and cost reductions. Flat stat first, % changes at the end. So after ele sus I'm at 12k pen, 10% now is only 620. Cheers.

[@BrennusTheBlade]

Agreed that the “Flame Staff Status Proc” could use a buff, but then They could also give it a ceiling… like only 1 Proc can activated every 1 seconds

[@guardianv5846]

Or lower it, but make it apply to all ticks not just the first

[@push2377]

Does the dot count toward zens stacks?

[@dragonwren1893]

Me personally I like all of this soo good in my eyes

[@JohnClark-s7v]

Elemental susceptibility morph applies all 3 elements every 7 sec…for free.

[@Nerd_Adam]

Flame staffs now have essentially the same effect as the sunderflame set….. and you’ll be able to stack them potentially? That actually sounds interesting maybe? Gonna have to try that I think :D Edit: since they’ve made them essentially sunderflame in a staff, maybe making it more like Valkyn skoria would be better so the heavy attack would do like a little meteor that does splash damage? That would be way cooler honestly imo.

[@ExoScrolls]

Agree with you Xynode, the status effect damage is currently too low.

[@TheGreatPanicker]

What about a silly build like destruction staff skills only build where you use only skills from the destruction staff skill line?

[@eldenmox5525]

Wonder how good druagrkin set will be with this?

[@squallion777]

So does this mean that every time you do a heavy you reset the timer? that means you keep a DoT burn effect 100% of the time, right?

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

Yeah

[@drewb9911]

I think they're attempting to give weapons certain niches. The maelstrom set and this change push it even further toward being useful for cleaving multiple targets. Bow will likely retake its spot as backbar single target, and now two hander is kinda its own playstyle it seems

[@TheTull4204]

It's 10% of remaining resist, so at cap 0, at 18000 it would only be 20.

[@tristanyang3135]

They just making flame staff strong for dk with the dots

[@xRambo007]

Flame heavy attacks hit harder than my spammables swallow soul and concealed weapon, so I use fully charged flame attacks a lot

[@marjorieevans-hughes]

quite frankly, after this change, if I had to choose between lightning and fire, I always just go with lightning. It's just better despite fire creating more damage. I don't mind the slow decrease in stats during PvE but a lightning staff is easier to handle. My back up hand is a restoration staff...I did think about having the fire staff to use for back up but after trying it out several times...especially when I enter public dungeons (I do solo), I just get so annoyed with the fire staff most of the time and just switch to restoration. The new lightning staff mods aren't great but meh.

[@alargeshrubb7964]

Flame staff shouldve been given the increased DoT bonus that lightning staff got and lightning staff shouldve gotten a DIRECT damage bonus instead because the most DoT heavy classes are dks and nbs who use flame/poison and get buffs for those types of damage now we are forced to use lightning staff if we want to increase our mag DoT damage and not use melee weapons.....it sucks...i hate that. As a DK main this just sucks. Yes i know other classes have access to DoT damage and abilities but cmon almost every skill the DK has is DoT. Why would you take the flamestaff from us like that? Just....why...

[@leburger5160]

That's exactly what I said when I first saw these changes. I face palmed super hard. Despite the heavy attack passive nerf, lightning staff is ridiculously strong with those buffs it's getting. Which is fine. But it's doing exactly what they're trying to fix. It's pigeon holing classes such as dk and nb into using a weapon that doesn't benefit them at all beyond a passive. It's not fire, so my fire passive doesn't apply to it. But in order to get the most out of my DoTs, I am forced to run it... Well done ZoS. You literally made the issue worse by trying to fix it...

[@xxcjsniperxxmc8917]

I don't see new ancient knowledge as a good change. It's taking an already focused specification and pigeon holing it even more. If you want to get the highest of high damage with flame staff you need to min max into status effects. This in turn limits what sets, classes, and skills you can run with flame staff optimally, inadvertently shrinking build diversity. Opposite of what the goal is. It's also contrary to the lightning staff 12% dot and channeled change as it will be buffing more than what live does now. Builds will be more standardized or monophonic if a change like or similar to this is finalized.

[@mjlee8013]

Another change of combat team that noone HAS EVER ASKED FOR, that is forcing you to LEARN THE GAME AGAIN and CHANGE YOUR BUILD/PLAYSTYLE without giving you ANY REASON, why this change even takes place.

[@Gardarik33115]

For PvE anything works. For PvP this change is questionable at best. More people use dual wield already. With this change, destro stuff will get even less usable. A dot? Boohoo, a simple cleanse will remove it. However, destro lost its % penetration and increase of single target damage which was crucial to certain builds in PvP. With lightning staff nerf, I suppose only ice staff will be used in PvP and only for flat passives for armour bonus. As always, ZOS do not really care about PvP balance. Not like PvP community is surprised after all these years, but it just confirms that each patch iteration is not going to fix anything in the PvP aspect. Not returning for this patch for sure.

[@mjlee8013]

Its really dumb that magicka characters are pigeonholed into melee weapons in PVP. This update will be a final nail to the coffin for build diversity and I say this as someone who exclusively plays stam/melee, more as a personal style preferance, that is meta by coincidence.

[@Coursicc]

Yh 😢 I'm running full Glass cannon magblade and idk what to do about this change. I was running oakensoul balorgh rallying cry and willpower. Heavy attacks was the base of my build... Any suggestion ?

[@Gardarik33115]

@@Coursicc if you want full-scale glasscannon, there is a fun build for NB. Go for titanborn and archer's mind/clever alchemist. Go full 4-stage vampire. Use 2h ultimate for openers that nullifies enemy resistances. Before the opening, lower your health hto get the bonuses from Titanborn and to cause arterial burst to crit 100% of the time. Kill literally anyone with 2-3 hits. It is a very niche build and veeeery glass-canonish plus works only from stealth. Overall, nb is not in the worst spot, it is one of the strongest classes right now but the variability with the recent changes has decreased significantly.

[@Coursicc]

@@Gardarik33115 thank you for your answer but I'm looking for a destro staff build ;)

[@DBTT1000]

I personally enjoy what they did with the flame staff passives. Its amazing for my flame dot Runecarver DK lol

[@Business101HQ]

It's not, you'd have done more damage before this change + they also nerfed combustion from 50% to 33% lol

[@DBTT1000]

@@Business101HQ In PvP the 50% to 33% is abysmal. Plus I'm talking about a Runecarver build not a whip spam with corrosive build LOL

[@Business101HQ]

@@DBTT1000 I'm aware you're talking about a PvE build, no self-respecting PvPer is going to use RuneCarver lol, my statement stands still correct + the single target bonus on dots, light attacks etc would far outweighs that tiny dot replacing 10% single target damage done

[@DBTT1000]

@@Business101HQ Ah yes in PvP stacking damage bonuses gives you more damage. You sure, everyone seems to be running proc sets. I dunno.

[@Business101HQ]

@@DBTT1000 I've not seen a single KZbinr I follow (which is a lot) make a single RuneCarver PvP build, ever... like, if you want to do it then go RuneCarver body, deadly weapons and jewellery and then either prior Theoric MS or one piece SC plus either amulet or oakensoul mythic and that'll be an insanely good build for any mag dot class but particularly arcanist! If you want it for Stam just flip the 2 5 piece sets so you're running mainly medium body pieces with deadly

[@Ridingthewaves305]

Big nerf, weird because not many builds even ran a front bar inferno or front bar destro staff at all. Another example of ZOS not understanding their own game

[@ttv_damo_tk872]

So basically everyone will be dw now 😂

[@dylanwalser3138]

The past two updates made me panic Xynode, now I’m just desensitized. Game will be dead soon anyway 🤷🏽

[@fabulouskhro4847]

Why does reddit hate you ?

[@leburger5160]

I can see what theyre trying to do here, but it doesnt mean i like it. Im a magdk main. Almost all my damage are DoTs. Now im supposed to run a lightning staff? Are you serious? Yes, a class all about poison and fire and the weapon that will give the best damage is a..... lightning staff? Remove the status proc damage. Take the DoT bonus from lightning staff and put it on flame staff. Lightning can have the cast time damage buff while fire has the DoT damage buff. This would match what the weapons are actually used for already. No dk uses a lightning staff. If you do, youre dking wrong...

[@byrdy9109]

Daggers are still stronger

[@leburger5160]

@byrdy9109 yeah I haven't managed to get basheis daggers yet. I would be using them if I had them but I only have the flame staff so far...

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

@@byrdy9109 Daggers got nerfed

[@Business101HQ]

I hate this change. Above all else it's gonna fuck up my magblade, so much single target damage being stacked with the benefit and ranged light attacks to pair with swallow soul so reliable weaving with healing... I don't give a fuck if people don't heavy attack enough for fire staffs, that's what lightning is for which they just NERFED in the same patch so it's like wtf make up your fucking mind and stop fucking up our builds. My fire staff, combustion passive nerfed DK heavily agrees 👍🏻 such bad balance changes apart from a few

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

It’s not that much damage in the grand scheme of things, you can make that 8% up in other ways

[@Business101HQ]

@@gaelicgladiator9407 it's not JUST the damage, it's the utility as well of being to add range to the light attacks and being able to heavy attack for mag sustain whereas if this update goes live there ain't no way I'm no swapping to daggers to compensate the DPS loss and that's gonna suck utility / fun wise

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

@@Business101HQ even still, 8% is not a massive loss so keeping it for the utility is still worth it. If your hitting high numbers already the loss will not hurt you to where it’s gonna ruin your build

[@Business101HQ]

@@gaelicgladiator9407 if you're hitting super high numbers, okay? But if you're hitting around 80k trying to go for 90k (or less) then this is going to substantially impact your DPS - it's just a bad change. If they wanted to keep the single target buff AND add the additional new dot then that's fine, that's a moderate buff, but I'm gonna be so mad if they take the 8% and replace it with just that shitty pointless dot

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

@@Business101HQ there is no content in the game that 80-90k can’t get you through, people are so obsessed with numbers when it’s really not that deep. If your killing stuff… your good

[@steroitzz]

Every patch so bad. But it’s Zenimax

[@XxSgtSkittlesxX]

Good, ha builds are geared to low skill players.

[@matthewsanders1154]

Zos doesn't force you to follow the crowd like lemmings chasing a fake meta when there are a ton of other choices that work just fine. Zos isn't saying use MA two hander, put that blame where it belongs.

[@MrEllander]

Mael 2h is extremely strong in pts, idk where did u get info its dead

[@usualsurrender5298]

HA builds will work just fine, they only tuned down their AoE potential which was completely disproportionate for the low-effort that it required.

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

Cry about it

[@DS-lk3tx]

All 3 of my builds were nerfed into the ground. Just started this game in january. Thats enough for me. I unsubscribed and uninstalled. Spent hundreds of hours building something that keeps the virgins from complaining about my dps. Welp... thanks for the memories. 😂

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

It’s only 8%, if it’s such a big deal run daggers but don’t cry about it in the comments. He just showed you an easy way to build around it so I don’t understand the problem

[@DS-lk3tx]

@@gaelicgladiator9407 The problem is that this is clearly a pay to win game. One where skill is replaced by broken set items that depend on dlc purchase. That's all that there is to understand in an mmo. 😆

[@gaelicgladiator9407]

@@DS-lk3tx you can hit over 100k dps with base game sets, stop crying. Also every mmo has dlc content, it’s not pay to win its just more game

[@mike2kmagic1]

1st to comment!