Shaq says Kobe Bryant belongs in GOAT debate 🐐 Stephen A. & JWill respond | First Take

[@muhfkajones]

Its disgusting how ONLY the media disrespects Kobe Bean Bryant

[@TylerH510]

Telling the truth isn’t disrespectful. Just bc you don’t wanna hear something doesn’t mean it’s disrespectful. It just means you’re sensitive 🤣

[@melvinhhcp3615]

Yeah. SAS is fckn horrible.

[@Avenue77]

Trust me if we on social media keep making comments on their own platform saying Kobe is in the Goat talks...it will push the narrative

[@Suckmeoff-zy3fb]

@@TylerH510you’re sad bro he smacked y’all for multiple decades you still hurt 😂

[@jaykold11]

Facts

[@OGJLyric]

The media doesn’t put Kobe in the conversation, but all the ppl who played with and against him put him in the convo.

[@brittanywilson9361]

Because he died

[@onemoremic]

Colorado man. And it sucks because that situation made the media turn their backs on Kobe. So here we are 20 yrs later, and young ppl, (which there are a lot of), think LeBron is actually in the same conversation as MJ and Kobe, when he's not even close

[@straightlead8]

No one outside of shaq puts Kobe in the Goat convo

[@OGJLyric]

@@straightlead8 ok.

[@straightlead8]

@@onemoremic Im 45 years old and Kobe is no where near Lebron or Jordan

[@2coolfru11]

The man died 4 years ago and HERE WE ARE, debating ONCE AGAIN, if he’s the GOAT….he is. PERIOD.

[@JahHoopz]

A.I., Vince, KD, Garnett, Dirk, Kawhi, T-Mac, Webber etc. Great players who actually had to play against Kobe all say the same thing. It's just stat geeks, analytic nerds and unathletic people who don't get it.

[@brittanywilson9361]

And you can find the same amount of players that say jordan and lebron and kareem so your argument says nothing

[@Cowboy287]

This right here. Kobe went against a gauntlet of great players during that time

[@RL-ww5ev]

Stats matter. Why else keep them

[@kane979]

@@brittanywilson9361 cap

[@kane979]

jordan said he rather play with kobe

[@ItsGamingFancy]

Smith really said he disagrees with shaq that kobe should be in the conversation just to say at the end that he deserves to be in that conversation

[@cyber6sapien]

LOL! Good catch.

[@Slimreaper444]

He said he really agree with Shaq not disagrees

[@ItsGamingFancy]

​@@Slimreaper444 "Stephen A. Do you agree with Shaq?" "Of course not. I rarely agree with Shaq. That's my brother but I rarely agree with him."

[@Slimreaper444]

@@ItsGamingFancy you right , that shi was confusing

[@jimmycharlotin7050]

My point exactly stephan a smith is a straight up clown

[@Elchamodelstaff]

Magic himself said (Kobe is The greatest Lakers in franchise history)

[@tbd3058]

He was just being polite

[@Elchamodelstaff]

@@tbd3058 maybe, But Kobe Bryant is The goat Lakers by far

[@PaytonnManning1503]

😂 the greatest laker not to pass the ball

[@sephiroth9930]

@@PaytonnManning1503 better than the self proclaimed goat who likes to flop and complain to the refs. 😂

[@MauricioKing23]

BINGO

[@BrandonPeterson-hw5jl]

Who cares if Kobe had Shaq for his first 3 rings. Bron had mad help in his career I’m taking KOBE BRYANT over Bron any day

[@CoolTy23]

Bron NEVER had a SHAQ

[@z-mane1438]

@@CoolTy23 yea he had everybody else

[@BrokeEnt504]

@@CoolTy23he did though lol

[@fearlesskingdom4051]

Bron was the help.

[@z-mane1438]

@@fearlesskingdom4051 if bron was the help he shouldn’t need help

[@Sicnesses23]

How soon yall are to forget greatness. It's embarrasing. Kobe is definitely in that debate

[@melvinhhcp3615]

Yessir

[@maverick33guy95]

He was never in the debate for good reason

[@user-xu5gq4vl5q]

He’s really not though, He’s not better than Bron, Kareem, Magic, and prime for prime. He’s not better than Shaq

[@Righteousgenius]

He was never in the debate until he passed, be honest

[@davis2k1234]

@@RighteousgeniusGo KZbin NBA games morning show debates from late 2000s/early 2010s he was absolutely being compared to MJ/can he catch him it’s after he retired and died the disrespect has been getting worse every year

[@Hotrod3097]

Media always hates on Kobe

[@Da1o]

Dawg kobe barely top 8 player of all time and that’s with me being biased towards him💀💀

[@Hotrod3097]

@@Da1o so u agree my statement that media be hating on Kobe sometimes

[@Da1o]

@@Hotrod3097 undoubtedly when he played, but there was a shift after kobe retired and then another big shift after he passed, people barely trash kobe now, and if they do it’s because people put him in conversations he doesn’t belong in💀💀

[@Hotrod3097]

@@Da1o only cuz he’s dead they have to talk nice about him

[@cj2times955]

I gusse the players do too because every poll that nba players have always have MJ Lebron Kobe

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

He really does. MJ respected Kobe too. It's not that deep.

[@wilcunningham5787]

Because Kobe he knew 2 FINALS MVP stop it

[@back2back379]

Well, MJ also respected Magic, Larry, Olajuwon, David Thompson, lots of greats.

[@Heatpad.Murray1]

Don’t forget Lefraud is the most over-rated nba star in nba history. Brons fans think losing finals is better than actually winning them

[@franknatti5367]

@@Heatpad.Murray1getting there better than getting swept in first round

[@mikerageous1]

​@@franknatti5367 and just like that you prove his point. Congrats 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@K12127]

Kobe is the only person who gets compared to Jordan and it’s consider a bad thing… riddle me that 🤔

[@WRNIIVIIII]

Really? "The ONLY person"?

[@tivalan3483]

Kobe is 80% of what Jordan is to be considered better you'd have to be something different all together

[@LuanNguyen-rj1bt]

Funny how everyone is comparing ant to jordan and kobe, but not lebron

[@sammcdermott78]

That’s because of play style rather than just how good they are

[@brokeboii8861]

@@LuanNguyen-rj1btprobably cause lebron nd Jordan dont play alike….

[@fanrankings]

Media keeps mentioning Shaq w/ Kobe but not Lebron w/ Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis. Terrible argument

[@rodneyleejr3040]

MJ with Scottie, Horace, Dennis, Kerr, Kukoc

[@2408spydah]

@@rodneyleejr3040 biggest difference is mj didnt pick who he wanted to play with.

[@rodneyleejr3040]

@@2408spydah 😂 yall really be delusional you do know he literally went hand picked and recruited Dennis right?

[@2408spydah]

@@rodneyleejr3040 u do know he already had 3 championships b4 dennis right? 🤣

[@rodneyleejr3040]

@@2408spydah what that got to do with him making the bulls draft Tony Kukoc? Or going out his way to make sure they get Ron Harper? Nothing. But you wanna act like LeBron the first superstar in history to manipulate his roster. Foh lol

[@jomen7961]

Stephen A says a lot without saying nothing. Stfu

[@Dannycole-lb1wn]

ong

[@dontaelg]

The best at it.

[@VincentRogers-s7f]

FACTS

[@butterfreeman]

Just cuz he died does not make him top 5 he’s too 15 at most even Tim Duncan was better and every time he face off against Lebron he got destroyed don’t believe me look it up, Kobe was not better than Magic or Kareem no where near close

[@stopcampin4097]

@@Dannycole-lb1wnain’t it his job to talk? Lmao y’all 🥷s sum else

[@VincentRogers-s7f]

FIRST OF ALL ESPN ....KOBE BRYANT NEVER LEFT THE CONVERSATION ......YOU GUYS AND CLUTCH SPORTS MARKETING TEAM AKA NICK WRIGHT AND SHANNON ARE ONES WHOS BEEN PUSHING THIS NARRATIVE

[@Mamba-w5r]

Facts

[@SphinxMen1906]

You sound stupid

[@wangtang12]

Kobe has never been in the conversation

[@terricarter9435]

​@wangtang12 Google and KZbin are free if I too young just checkout the temperature of the 00's b4 u make silly comments like that

[@wangtang12]

@@terricarter9435 you should take your own advice. Kobe is not in the conversation

[@matthewlockhart6159]

Kobe won the 2009 championship and ... called up Hakeem, asking to work on his footwork over the summer. That's a mindset that very few have.

[@erickcruzm.24]

Kobe's greatness needs no validation. To me MJ, Kobe. Beyond stats and numbers. #mambaforever

[@mylesgaines8743]

Facts bro

[@kobebryant76t92]

Facts

[@user-xu5gq4vl5q]

That might be your personal opinion, but you have to factor in Numbers, Accolades and Stats when discussing the goat debate. Kobe is not on the Level that Bron or Kareem is when you factor all that in

[@tlxxlt4745]

Tim Duncan is better than Kobe. Can’t believe y’all just word him out but bring Kobe in it. The bias with you people are insane.

[@erickcruzm.24]

@@tlxxlt4745 sleep with that. I'm pretty comfortable with my statement. You or anyone else are not absolute so what you say or think it's not law. It's just your opinion.

[@dcgrace320]

Kobe is the only person who gets discredited for having a great teammate. Kareem had Oscar and Magic, who were considered the GOAT at their positions. Magic had Kareem. Shaq averaged 1 more point than Kobe during their run. Kobe also led the team in assists.

[@deshawnwords5204]

Plus shaq didnt win until he got with kobe and lakers ❤. Mad respect for shaq to speak up about kobe bryant .

[@wisdomenake242]

Shaq dominated by far in the nba finals, though. Kobe was just a sidekick. The stats weren't close.

[@fermintroncoso4614]

the thing is SHAQ was better than him on those teams

[@dcgrace320]

@@fermintroncoso4614 And Kareem wasn’t better than Magic through the majority of those rings. Kareem was the 5th leading scorer in LA when he won his last ring, yet you never hear ppl bring things like that up. Meanwhile Kobe had a finals series averaging 30

[@Original_Brute_Force]

@@fermintroncoso4614 exactly! thats why he got the ball at the end of games!

[@FlipStar26]

It goes Mike, Kobe, and then whomever you wanna add next....

[@kingb3nz550]

Faxxx cuxxxo MJ...Kobe...whoever else I can care less 🗣RESPECTFULLY

[@StephonAllen-dn2uw]

​@@kingb3nz550 Greatest NBA players all time top 11  1. Michael Jordan  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  3. Bill Russell  4. Magic Johnson  5. LeBron James  6. Larry Bird  7. Wilt Chamberlain  8. Hakeem Olajuwon  9. Shaquille O'Neal  10. Tim Duncan  11. Kobe Bryant    Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday    Rings  Kareem 6✔️  Kobe 5    League Mvps  Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)  Kobe 1    Finals Mvps  Kareem 2  Kobe 2    Total Mvps (league and finals)  Kareem 8✔️  Kobe 3    Points score  Kareem 38,387✔️  Kobe 33,643    Field goal%  Kareem 55.9%✔️  Kobe 44.7%    Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol    Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol    Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂    Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat    Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps    Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%     Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings    Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂

[@StephonAllen-dn2uw]

Greatest NBA players all time top 11  1. Michael Jordan  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  3. Bill Russell  4. Magic Johnson  5. LeBron James  6. Larry Bird  7. Wilt Chamberlain  8. Hakeem Olajuwon  9. Shaquille O'Neal  10. Tim Duncan  11. Kobe Bryant    Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday    Rings  Kareem 6✔️  Kobe 5    League Mvps  Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)  Kobe 1    Finals Mvps  Kareem 2  Kobe 2    Total Mvps (league and finals)  Kareem 8✔️  Kobe 3    Points score  Kareem 38,387✔️  Kobe 33,643    Field goal%  Kareem 55.9%✔️  Kobe 44.7%    Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol    Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol    Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂    Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat    Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps    Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%     Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings    Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂

[@harryself4910]

MJ KOBE then LEBRON NEED A LIL MORE TO PASS KOBE. LEBRON LOST TO STEPH TOO MUCH FOR ME

[@JuwwnDunbar]

​@@StephonAllen-dn2uwLeBron got the most turnovers in NBA history, LeBron choked lost 6 finals, he the only player ever to get swept twice in the finals 🧹🧹🧹🧹. Kobe won back to back scoring titles, 10 x first team defense selections,Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐. Kobe better than LeBron and MJ

[@JustMoseyinAround]

*Ppl always bring up his 3 with Shaq but never his 2 without another superstar (Pau is not a superstar). Kobe def demands the respect for the 2 that he won.* *Media constantly sh!t on one to elevate the other. Nasty business.*

[@Willworld.]

Pau going to the HOF.. he was a walking 20/10 guy when he played with Kobe

[@Nightman12]

Paul was definitely a superstar are you kidding Kobe and Paul in there was a crazy 1 2 punch.

[@Maxjuliann]

@@Willworld.still wasn’t a superstar he elevated his game BECAUSE he was playing with Kobe

[@AvisBailey]

They Hate Kobe bra that’s all they will bring say anything to bring that man down

[@maliquegordon1477]

@@Willworld.pau never average 20

[@michaelmoore6001]

Didn’t Lebron have Dwade Bosh Kyrie Ray Allen Kevin love and Anthony Davis? How tf do we leave this out of the convo?

[@JacobJosh-tv3jt]

Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on Lakers 3peat Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 40,446 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships You got Kobe D ick on yo lips

[@orlandowilliamson691]

People really don't understand how great Kobe actually was..

[@reyesrn1935]

5 Championships 7 Finals (3 peat, Repeat Without Top 75 player) Beat Most 50 Win Teams All Time In NBA History! 3rd All-time Leading Scorer (Most All Time by a SG) 8,000+ Rebounds (Most All Time by a SG) 7,000+ Assist (3rd All Time by a SG) 6 60 Point Games (2nd Most All Time) 26 50 Point Games (3rd Most All Time) 135 40 Point Games (3rd Most All Time) 36 20-point Quarters 600+ Points in 3 Consecutive Playoffs (Most all Time) 15 All NBA Teams 12 Time Defensive Teams 11 Time All-NBA First Teams 18 Time All Star Slam Dunk Champion (At Age 18) Youngest All Time! 2-0 Team USA Record! Kobe Should Definitely be in the Top 3 All Time conversation.

[@dochudson9393]

Tim Duncan better

[@livinginadarkworld2808]

Lebron, Kareem , KARL MALONE then kobe in all time leading scorer.. my only rebuttal lol

[@melvinhhcp3615]

​@@dochudson9393No. Duncan never repeated & Kobe beat him more in the playoffs than Tim beat him.

[@tone4681]

@@livinginadarkworld2808Karl Malone liked little girls and put up empty stats. He never won anything so it’s not even close between him and Kobe. Kareem played with 2 of the greatest PGs of all time (Magic and Big O) which helped him a lot. He doesn’t win in LA without Magic running the show. And Bron needed all the help in the world to win.

[@diudhi]

5 rings, Robert Horry got 7 rings

[@BlackwillStreet]

Even without Shaq Kobe went to 3 straight finals with only one all star in Paul Gasol who’s also a HOFer but he averaged less than 20. Kobe won back to back chips. And even next to Shaq he was putting up Elite numbers. He averaged 28, 25 & 30 during the regular seasons the years they 3 peat, that’s not someone riding coat tails or being carried. In the playoffs he averaged 21, 29 & 26 next to Shaq Bron went and teamed up with the 2nd best SG in the league at the time and one of the best PF in bosh. And still barely won 2 after all the hype. That’s like prime Kobe leaving to team up with prime T Mac, Vince Carter & KG or something. Bron never won with only one all star. Kyrie & K Love were also all stars

[@PaytonnManning1503]

Listen to how u sound...Kobe was a ball hog

[@derekhayter4879]

With a supporting cast like D Fish, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, Trevor Ariza, Andrew Bynum

[@wade2xx552]

@@derekhayter4879yea & none of those players wasn’t good enough to make an all star team or all nba team

[@ManagerMatt1]

Kobes numbers dont reflect GOAT debate... He didnt average 20 until his 4th season, Shaq won all 3 finals MVPs, of the top 15 in points, he shot the lowest from the field of the top 15... Kobe wasnt first team all NBA until his 6th season... Kobe had 6 seasons under 20ppg... Lebron never had ONE season below 20...

[@andrewgiegerich8211]

Derek Fisher wasn't Kyrie odum wasn't Kevin love or Bosh Bynum wasn't AD or Dwight Howard​@@derekhayter4879

[@pokerNGold]

It baffles me how people act like Kobe isn’t in the GOAT conversation but you can go back to ESPN and Fox sports clips form 2016/2017/2018 when they’re literally debating Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron. Bean retired in 2016 with one of greatest performances we’ve seen. What has changed in the past 4-7 years that makes Kobe not in the discussion?

[@scotthayes1210]

Kobe and MJ are interchangeable to me. He's gotta be there. Just my opinion. Bean was a killer like Mike, and HAD the ability to snatch your heart right outta your chest and keep coming until your will and desire were completely broken

[@StephonAllen-dn2uw]

​@@scotthayes1210 Greatest NBA players all time top 11  1. Michael Jordan  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  3. Bill Russell  4. Magic Johnson  5. LeBron James  6. Larry Bird  7. Wilt Chamberlain  8. Hakeem Olajuwon  9. Shaquille O'Neal  10. Tim Duncan  11. Kobe Bryant    Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday    Rings  Kareem 6✔️  Kobe 5    League Mvps  Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)  Kobe 1    Finals Mvps  Kareem 2  Kobe 2    Total Mvps (league and finals)  Kareem 8✔️  Kobe 3    Points score  Kareem 38,387✔️  Kobe 33,643    Field goal%  Kareem 55.9%✔️  Kobe 44.7%    Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol    Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol    Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂    Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat    Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps    Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%     Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings    Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂

[@StephonAllen-dn2uw]

Greatest NBA players all time top 11  1. Michael Jordan  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  3. Bill Russell  4. Magic Johnson  5. LeBron James  6. Larry Bird  7. Wilt Chamberlain  8. Hakeem Olajuwon  9. Shaquille O'Neal  10. Tim Duncan  11. Kobe Bryant    Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday    Rings  Kareem 6✔️  Kobe 5    League Mvps  Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)  Kobe 1    Finals Mvps  Kareem 2  Kobe 2    Total Mvps (league and finals)  Kareem 8✔️  Kobe 3    Points score  Kareem 38,387✔️  Kobe 33,643    Field goal%  Kareem 55.9%✔️  Kobe 44.7%    Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol    Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol    Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂    Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat    Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps    Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%     Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings    Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂

[@nomu5815]

Bubble ring apparently lol .

[@pokerNGold]

@@StephonAllen-dn2uw you’re way too invested in the GOAT debate. I’m not reading all that 🤣

[@hollywoodpak7391]

Last time I checked it’s a TEAM sport it’s just the HATE towards Kobe for me it’s like once he passed his past got erased put some RESPECT ON KOBE NAME!!!! #TeamMamba

[@fermintroncoso4614]

i think its the opposite after he passed people are looking his career in rose tinted glasses

[@PirateD.KingLuffy]

Nah even before he passed he media was still hating on him

[@servdv]

nobody is hating on him and they tried to force him in more conversations after he died

[@markislivingdeliberately]

Well he’s not on a podcast saying how great he was so ppl forget. Lebron reminds the world every time he’s at a mic how great he is 😂😂

[@veli1100]

They really discredit Kobe is crazy

[@eddiecampbell9663]

​@BayWolf-pp1evhow you worded it as athletic is wrong....nothing wrong with your list but should have just said top 10 players all time take the athletic part out.....cause if it was all about athletic then kyrie irving.....a.i. ppl like that would be on the list

[@cupfullofhealin]

@BayWolf-pp1evyou can keep copying and pasting that same comment 😂😂. Meanwhile your precious “king“ is at Cancun

[@JuwwnDunbar]

​@BayWolf-pp1evLeBron got the most turnovers in NBA history. Go watch LeBron 2011 finals I dare you 😂😂. Go watch LeBron 2007 finals. Kobe better than LeBron 💯💯💯💯. Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@JuwwnDunbar]

​@BayWolf-pp1evKobe 10 x first team defense selections, Kobe won back to back scoring titles and 5 x champ 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆. Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@TruckerWitDaHeater]

The media doesn’t speak for me! Kobe is my goat 🐐

[@FraizerBerry]

Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons

[@sameenergy9414]

​@@FraizerBerrysheeeesh

[@winten3815]

@FraizerBerry 5️⃣ 𝙍𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙮 𝙆𝙊𝘽𝙀 𝙞𝙨 𝘽𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙈𝙞𝙘𝙝𝙖𝙚𝙡 𝙅𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙖𝙣: 1. KOBE is the "𝗢𝗻𝗹𝘆" player in NBA History to beat 4️⃣-5️⃣0️⃣ win teams and win a title without a top 75 teammate. Note : The average number of wins their opponents had in the playoffs- KOBE: 54.4% > MJ: 53.4% / Kobe Also played in a tougher era and Won B-2-B championships Without a top 75 player. Jordan never beat a super team in the finals, Kobe beat the 2010 Boston Celtics, they had 4 hall of famers on that team. 2. KOBE is "more skilled" has better shooting range and a wider variety of moves inside and outside offense compared to Jordan, who prefers to use predictable mid-range game and post game. Note: KOBE's three-point shooting is 34.1% against Jordan’s 32.7% 3. KOBE is a better ball handler, free throw shooter and plays much more comfortably on the perimeter than Jordan. Note: KOBE has kept a 83.8% from the line against Jordan’s 83.5%. 4. KOBE is a better passer- finished 31st in career assists, whereas Jordan finished 45th on the all-time list. Note: KOBE recorded 4 seasons in which he finished inside the Top 20 for season assist totals compared to Jordan’s three. Kobe has the most assists for a SG playoffs + regular season ( 7.2k) Assists 5. KOBE is more durable - had three knee injuries a torn wrist, a fractured bone in his hand, broken index finger and yet he played on and won a Championship in 2010 against the Boston Celtics which where a super team.....Whereas Michael Jordan suffered from one notable injury in his career and almost sat out for a whole season.

[@JuwwnDunbar]

​@@FraizerBerryKobe drop 55 on MJ head, Kobe drop 81 vs Toronto, Kobe 10 x first team defense selections, 5 x champ , 2 x scoring titles. Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐. Kobe better than LeBron and MJ 💯💯

[@JuwwnDunbar]

Kobe most definitely the goat 🐐🐐

[@kobe24j]

The media wants to use that Kobe had Shaq to win 3 chips. But they don't say Lebrik had Wade, Bosh, Allen, and Irvin. Lol

[@kylesawkon4074]

And AD

[@JohnKing-jz9zb]

The difference is lebron won all the mvps bozo and kobe didn’t win not 1 with shaq.. period

[@kite36]

@kobe24j It’s hard to take you seriously given your account name. Being real with you it’s called HAVING a team. Shaq during those periods was the most dominant player on the team, during lebrons stints on different teams, he was always the best player or as of late the most efficient player. Not to mention there has never been a period in lebrons career where he just was getting bounced out and not making it to the playoffs

[@kylesawkon4074]

@@JohnKing-jz9zb those mvps are subjective tho they got sas a vote lol I love bron but he don’t have that mamba mentality

[@Righteousgenius]

Bron was always the best player on his team that’s y he got 4 finals MVPs, Kobe was 2nd best on his team. Can’t b In the debate with 1 mvp also

[@maccgreezy]

Kobe 🐐

[@khawk1283]

Greatest of All Time

[@FraizerBerry]

​@@khawk1283 Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons

[@FraizerBerry]

Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons

[@JuwanDunbar-b6u]

​​@@FraizerBerryKobe is the #1 best player in nba history 💯 facts. Kobe is the goat 🐐

[@-1Hawk]

Out of his own mouth..Magic said Kobe was the greatest Laker.

[@jmon1424]

Stephen A said he has to take inconsideration that Kobe had Shaq. Well Lebron had D.Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving and Anthony Edwards. Please make it make sense?

[@Faneetho62]

Anthony Edwards?

[@KingKidGoku32794]

LeBron had Anthony Edwards? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@josiahmitchell8594]

Shaq was better than Kobe, that's why they are Shaqs rings, everyone you named that LeBron had and they still LeBron rings.

[@AvisBailey]

Oh they never mentioned that part these dudes on tv are jokes

[@N33zy23]

Casual

[@mjalex]

10 year olds and the media are the only ones who don’t have Kobe in the Convo

[@Kobe824-cz2wg]

Because Kobe called ESPN a bunch of idiots.

[@mjalex]

@@Kobe824-cz2wg He was proven to be right

[@sammcdermott78]

No, Kobe is not considered to be top 3 or top 5 by a lot, he’s overrated by people who respect mentality the most

[@scott783]

Anyone who has seen Jordan and Bryant play in real time know the whole debate is a joke and just done to get ratings and views and attention. The only people that back lames are gen z clowns and younger.

[@austingreen1274]

Incorrect.

[@identityxd9184]

How people forget… Kobe is my goat

[@sailordel5537]

He does I’m so tired of them not talking about Kobe

[@wangtang12]

He doesn't

[@Librascales10]

Stephen A smith’s hate for Kobe is ridiculous

[@EricK-ir8np]

Worst COMMENT EVER!! 🤡🤡🤡

[@cyber6sapien]

Don't confuse hate with realism. LeBron fans do it all the time, and it's annoying.

[@TylerH510]

It’s not hate it’s the truth. So pathetic whenever this generation gets told something they don’t like they just say they are hating🤣

[@lockedinSavo]

Not hate its facts, Kobe barely top 5

[@josephcarston9780]

you have no idea what you're talking about. Haha

[@TweMcgraw]

Kobe should be in that conversation period

[@wangtang12]

No

[@JuwanDunbar-b6u]

​@@wangtang12Kobe is the #1 best player in nba history 💯 facts

[@wangtang12]

@JuwanDunbar-b6u no not facts. He's not even top 5.

[@JuwanDunbar-b6u]

@wangtang12 Kobe is the #1 best player in nba history facts 💯.. everybody knows Kobe and mj is top 2 all time

[@victhebric66]

Kobe Bryant is my goat. Had the pleasure of growing up watching him play and when he won the championships in 2009 and 2010 without Shaq, I was so happy for him. The Greatest Laker and the reason I became a Laker fan.

[@kingkyrie5140]

Same

[@jacobyjonez9900]

Same

[@jimmyconway6080]

Who cares

[@kingkyrie5140]

@@jimmyconway6080 obviously you do since you commented genius

[@LewisRay-pf2wg]

Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons

[@MrJames-ww5em]

The way SAS discredits Kobe being in the conversation is crazy. He has 5 rings. I remember as a kid whenever someone shot a fadeaway they’d say “Kobe”. No hate to Lebron but he’s 3rd on my list. 1) MJ 2) Kobe Bean 3) Lebron Just my opinion…

[@jbmlk]

it’s more than just rings if that’s the case Bill Russel is the GOAT

[@JP-ks3kh]

Missed me with that 🏀 🗑️

[@josephchar1809]

I got Kareem 3rd and Lebron either 4th or 5th

[@MrJames-ww5em]

@@jbmlk True. Too many accolades for them all to list currently. I’m just going off where I was introduced to basketball (88-89).

[@MrJames-ww5em]

@@JP-ks3kh You have a top 3 or Rushmore?

[@SojiFro_0]

I have Kobe #2 on my list. • ⁠Beat the most 50+ win teams in NBA history • ⁠Second most points scored in a single game NBA history, First most in the modern era. • ⁠Oldest player to score 60+ • ⁠3rd most consecutive 50+ point games in NBA history • ⁠2nd most All-NBA First Team honors won (tied with Malone) • ⁠Most All-NBA Team honors won by a guard • ⁠Most All-NBA First Team honors won by a guard • ⁠2nd most All-Defensive Team honors won • ⁠Most All-Defensive First Team honors won (tied with Mike, GP, KG) • ⁠Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years • ⁠Oldest player to record back-to-back games of 40+ points and 10+ assists • ⁠Carried Olympic team to a gold medal • ⁠5x NBA Champion on a three-peat • ⁠Dragged a squad with no other superstar/top 75 to repeat • ⁠2x Finals MVP • ⁠1x MVP • ⁠2x Scoring Champ • ⁠9x All-Defense First • ⁠3x All-NBA Second • ⁠18x NBA All Star Kobe is also 1 of only 6 players to win back-to-back Finals MVP (2peat). Kobe did this in one of the most competitive conference in history. He was also the 1A/1B option on the most recent 3peat team (only five 3peats in NBA history). 4th in scoring all time, 16th in steals, 33rd in assists, 115th in rebounds. Lead the 2000's with the most points scored in the decade and the highest scoring average of the decade. Lead the decade in all-star selections, all-nba selections, all-nba defensive selections. Made 6 finals, won 4. He also had 10 50 point games in the 2006-2007 season alone. He also scored 60-50-65-50 in consecutive games. In 2003 he scored 40+ in 9 straight games. Outscored the Dallas Mavericks 62-61 by himself after 3 quarters, sat the 4th; he was easily on his way to 80 that game. Didn't matter, he hit 80 soon after. He did all that and scored 35.1ppg on a team that only averaged 96ppg a game as a team and he did so in the slowest paced era and lowest scoring era in league history. Furthermore, he famously played through injuries to his own detriment which meant many of his scoring feats were done while injured. He won an NBA title and won FMVP with a broken finger taped to the opposing finger on his shooting hand. He also took on the opposing teams best player as often as he could on defense which is probably why many people think he wasn't as good defensively as he actually was. Simply the greatest difficult shot taker and maker in NBA history which makes the fact that virtually every year of his prime he shot above league average even more remarkable. He would have rewritten the modern scoring record books if he had the freedom on offense current players enjoy.

[@tylerclayton6081]

Kobe was Lebron’s son whenever they played though. Unlike the Lebron vs MJ matchup, we don’t have to hypothesize Lebron vs Kobe. It actually happened 22 times Lebron is 16-6 vs Kobe and dominated Kobe in every statistical category. Lebron vs Kobe (22 Games) Wins: Lebron-16, Kobe-6 Pts: Lebron-28.2, Kobe-24.6 FG%: Lebron-47%, Kobe-43% Assists: Lebron-7.3, Kobe-5.2 Rebounds: Lebron-7.4, Kobe-5.0 Steals: Lebron-1.9, Kobe-1.1 Blocks: Lebron-0.7, Kobe-0.2 A lot of these games is from when Lebron was young and Kobe was in his prime and Lebron still dominated him. As you can see from the stats Lebron beat Kobe most of the time and dominated him defensively and offensively in every statistical category

[@etiennemadore5899]

Kobe is the most skilled basketball player to ever play. He may not be the most accomplished, the strongest, the fastest, etc.. but because of his mastery of the sport yes he is in the GOAT debate. When ranked by NBA players, they ranked Kobe firmly in 3th spot. There's a reason as why he's that high and it's because of his attributes.

[@dochudson9393]

Skip To My Lou had more skill

[@straightlead8]

He was second fiddle to shaq... so no.

[@infinitewisdom7777]

"Most skilled" is definitely a reach.. And I love Kobe

[@Kendricktimes2]

U can’t have 2 fmvps out of 5 chips and have only 1 mvp and think your in the goat debate not over Duncan in my opinion

[@jamesbroady3604]

Jordan was more skilled than Kobe in every area inside the three point line.

[@chuckkrafton4362]

To be honest, NOBODY deserves to be in the G.O.A.T debate... Jordan is already cemented

[@ace35ks87]

😂facts

[@fearlesskingdom4051]

LeBron is 2nd all time at worst and 1st all time at best. Same for MJ.

[@anonymouse6856]

@@fearlesskingdom4051 MJ is 1st at worst. LeBron is 2nd at best and 7th at worst. There's no argument for LeBron > MJ

[@mathewdavis2427]

Kobe was better than MJ.

[@dochudson9393]

@@anonymouse6856 Sure there are. Longevity for one. Not saying you have to agree, but there are certainly arguments to be made.

[@SneakerheadAD]

Real ones know Kobe is in that conversation. The media doesn’t want to agree with it because they don’t like Kobe. We all know the reasoning behind it. To me he’s the 2nd greatest player of all time right behind MJ. To respond to what SAS said about winning 3 with Shaq, he wouldn’t have won 3 without Kobe. PERIOD.

[@rogerblewett5595]

I think Duncan and Kobe should definitely be in the conversation

[@JustTheFacts45]

No

[@WRNIIVIIII]

duncan yes kobe no

[@kingkyrie5140]

Tim Duncan? Stop

[@WRNIIVIIII]

@@kingkyrie5140 5 championships 3 FMVP 2 MVP Never missed the playoffs Greatest player of his position and era …and you talkin’ about “Stop”?!

[@kingkyrie5140]

@@WRNIIVIIII are we seriously gonna sit here and debate that Tim Duncan was a better basketball player than kobe or lebron James or MJ ? You talking about accolades I’m talking about skill on both ends of the floor

[@orwell9788]

Kobe, West, Magic, Wilt, Duncan, Bird, all these guys should be in the goat conversation, not just MJ and Bron

[@JustTheFacts45]

Bron and MJ would cook ALL OF THEM

[@Bookem35]

Kareem is the goat

[@jv1192]

@@JustTheFacts45Michael Beasley cooked Bron in a 1v1

[@tristanmanuel7787]

Don't forget steph curry lol

[@JustTheFacts45]

@lloydbonafide3398 He played against a bunch of 6'4 guys lol. Wilt would get cooked roasted and served for dinner in modern nba

[@henryyoung2116]

The Media disrespects Kobe so much The Fact that he’s not in the Conversation is mad Disrespectful!!!

[@therealneal3034]

I love the fact that Shaq is showing Kobe love. Like, anyone that watched that Lakers era knew about the beef that went on, so Shaq and Kobe patching things up later on and Shaq continuing the love is sadly wholesome.

[@LuisMartinez-kh5oz]

Kobe’s name will always be brought up when having a debate about the goat and that’s all it matters

[@LewisRay-pf2wg]

Athletic top 10 best NBA players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    4. Bill Russell    5. Magic Johnson    6. Wilt Chamberlain    7. Larry Bird    8. Shaquille O'Neal    9. Tim Duncan    10. Kobe Bryant         Athletic has Kobe Bryant #10 all time     PPG: LeBron         RPG: LeBron         APG: LeBron         SPG: LeBron         BPG: LeBron         FG%: LeBron         3pt%: LeBron         FT%: Kobe         TS%: LeBron         PER: LeBron         WS/48: LeBron         VORP: LeBron         MVP's: LeBron         FMVP's: LeBron         Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)                LeBron better player then Kobe                 Field goal%        LeBron 50.6%✔️        Kobe 44.7%                Points scored career        LeBron 40,446✔️ (1st all time)        Kobe 33,643                LeBron 1st all time points         Kobe 1st all time missed shots                 Total 3pointers made        LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time)        Kobe 1,827                Total Steals career        LeBron 2,270✔️ (8th all time)        Kobe 1,944                Total Blocks career         LeBron 1,110✔️        Kobe 640                Defensive win shares         LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time)        Kobe 50.66                Assists Leader         LeBron 1✔️        Kobe 0                Career highs        Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record                 Career highs         LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record                Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters         LeBron 5✔️        Kobe 1                2010 NBA finals         Game 7        Lakers 83 Celtics 79        Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points                 2013 NBA finals         Game 7        Heat 95 Spurs 88        LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points                 Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings                2011 NBA playoffs         Mavericks 4 Lakers 0        Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series                LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings                 Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time Y'all worship a accused R apist Kobe

[@Errordemn6]

The Kobe hate is crazy

[@narutonguyen]

Stephen a smith brings up kobe having Shaq, YET any time he makes his top 10 list, he has Magic over Kobe... Did we forget Magic had Kareem , same way Lebron had Kyrie?

[@sladesurfer]

But they never say Jordan had Pippen...or the first 5 years of Jordan couldn't make it to the playoffs until they got Phil Jackson

[@Mari000]

And LeBron had way more help😂

[@slyle4570]

Nicca pippen ain’t no top 10 player of all time y’all Kobe fans be reaching like Fck embarrassing 😂

[@StarboundUK]

Lebron had more help than MJ... Wade is a better player than Pippen... Wade won a chip as the best player on Heat long before LeBron got there to form his superteam. As for Kobe I love Kobe but he ain't MJ

[@cyber6sapien]

If you're going to comment on a topic that you clearly don't know about, at least do some research first. Jordan never missed the playoffs as a member of the Bulls. And the Bulls were already playing in the Eastern conference Finals the year before Phil Jackson took over as head coach. Phil helped Jordan get past the Pistons and helped him to win titles. But Jordan had the Bulls on the precipice of greatness before Phil took over as head coach. And even if your statement was true, that argument doesn't even make sense. Because Jordan was the one with the decorated basketball resume from college to the NBA. By the time Phil arrived, the only thing left for Jordan to win as a basketball player was a title and a finals MVP. Jordan had quite literally accomplished everything else. Phil on the other hand, built his legacy coaching MJ. Just as Scottie Pippen built his legacy playing with Jordan. Before Jordan, neither Phil nor Pippen had a basketball resume to speak of. With Jordan, Pippen became a top 75 all time player. Without Jordan, the casual fan wouldn't know who Pippen was. Without Pippen, Jordan is still a top 75 all time player, but with possibly fewer rings.

[@kobebryant76t92]

It's all about the narratives. And if you repeat a narrative enough times it becomes reality in peoples mind...Kobe the Goat.

[@ThuUnderGroundRemnant]

KOBE played with Shaq Lebron played with dwade , Chris Bosh , Kyrie , ray allen , Anthony Davis , Kevin love , Carlos boozer, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard , Rondo etc . List goes on .. I’m tired 😂

[@mason2721]

Shaq is a top 10 player all time and is the most dominant player ever. No one who you lists crack top 10. You give Bron a prime shaq that’s 6 rings.

[@JP-ks3kh]

I’m tired of people like you using the number of players LBJ played with as a metric against him. You have to give context not just a list of players. Now tell me.. How many years did he play with those players and what quality/how good was that player. Were they in their prime years or just along for the ride as a role player for a chip. You see now. Like we can say that MJ played with only Pippen. However, he played with Pippen for 10 YEARS OVERLAPPING THEIR PRIMES. like we get it, LBJ played with good players but ffs, he didn’t get 10 years of prime wade or prime Irving, etc. get my point? Give context please don’t just say ish to diminish or paint a false narrative. That’s manipulation. Give LBJ 8 seasons of prime Shaq like Kobe had. Pretty sure he has as much success as Kobe did with Shaq, etc

[@StephonAllen-dn2uw]

Kobe Bryant played with Shaquille O'Neal, Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Karl Malone, Glen Rice, Mitch Richmond, Dennis Rodman

[@forevermamba_2303]

@@StephonAllen-dn2uw okay cool. Now let’s be realistic and stop acting ignorant. Kobe played with prime Shaq and Gasol. Lebron played with prime dwade, Chris Bosh, kyrie, Kevin love, anthony Davis and Russel Westbrook. Not even a debate. We not talking aging stars like Karl Malone who average 13 points and retire with injuries that same year he played with Kobe lol. Got to use context with some you dudes cause y’all be lying Lol.

[@ThuUnderGroundRemnant]

@@StephonAllen-dn2uw Nick van excel Kobe was straight out high school on the bench for the first 2 years. Eddie jones - are you serious he got traded before Kobe came to be🤣 Paul Gasol- is legit on the last two rings Dwight Howard - Kobe didn’t ask for him he sent him packing he didn’t have work ethic .he was injured . Karl Malone Gary Payton was old and injured . Glen rice - Kobe was a kid not getting playing time .same with Mitch Richmond etc . Nice try Lebron had all those guys in his prome

[@ThoughtsPlural]

Shaq is absolutely correct on this ☝🏾

[@tbd3058]

No he isn’t

[@GorillaboyTv]

Stephen A Is LAUGHABLY WRONG 😂

[@shinsukecorbin425]

How?? Kobe isn’t better than Jordan, Bron, Kareem or Magic that’s just facts..Kobe the only player y’all can say deserves to be in the goat conversation but will never say he’s the goat..Tell me htf does that even work lol

[@TraeFittz]

I’m One that feels that Lebron should NOT be in the GOAT Debate..Esp when Considering him Diminishes the Legacy of Others. Lebron is an All Time Great but Not Greater than MJ, Kareem, Magic, Kobe or Steph. To put Lebron Ahead of Any of them is Disrespectful.

[@NoMansLand24]

You can’t have a losing record in the finals and be the goat

[@kjjr3270]

Doesnt make any sense, cause that means the other players got bounced before the finals which is worse. If you a hater just say that. We measure players by their won championships not their finals record, cause you would make yourself look silly

[@CarolCityCane305]

@@kjjr3270if this was high school lebron would’ve failed

[@LePuffyRamonCombsThe1st]

​@@kjjr3270the other players weren't playing in an historically weak conference with 2 other stars. Lebron being in the finals only once in the west and winning after a 3 month break says a lot.

[@NoMansLand24]

@@kjjr3270 I said what I said

[@YourePartofMe]

​@@NoMansLand24They never want to have this conversation about the finals record🤣🤣🤣

[@J32_]

I agree. I've always said he belongs there. I was so shocked when Kobe died and so many people argued that he wasn't and has never been in the goat conversation..

[@MrSlickwilly09]

Kobe never asked for his coaches to be fired or tried to blame them for his failures

[@hilamadventures4060]

What? Lol ..apparently u didn't know much about the late great Kobe...He clashed with Del Harris for not playing for not playing him, He got Mike Brown fired 10 games into the season, he was happy to see Phil Jackson leave the first time..

[@PaytonnManning1503]

He always had the ball and didn't pass. Why u didn't add that in?

[@rashaudcarter1574]

@@hilamadventures4060 don’t forget he demanded to be traded to the bulls multiple times. And even had a game he refused to shoot because the media was talking about him taking all the shots. I love Kobe but saying he didn’t have his diva moments is just false.

[@ronaldroberts9555]

SAS double talk so much he don’t even realize it

[@MarcusNewton24]

I’m sick of people disrespecting Kobe like he wasn’t a dog on the court 😈

[@tylerwest3161]

Nobody said he wasn’t just not the best to the play the game of basketball

[@MKIVD]

Funny how ex-players will always have Kobe on the GOAT discussion, but analysts who didn't play NBA-ball don't lol

[@sirnamejames1992]

SAS needs to stop mentioning bean

[@willemsleveille314]

This Goat stuff is getting tiresome...

[@Nick_T_90]

Shaq has become like the guardian of Kobe’s legacy

[@nbarealtalker]

LeBron has failed and choked more than Kobe. I don’t understand why that isn’t factored into the equation.

[@TylerH510]

Lebron only choked in 2011. Lebron averages 34/10/7 in elimination games. Kobe averages 22/5/3 in elimination games and Lebron has only played 3/4 more elimination games. Lebron came into the league at 18 and was averaging 20/5/5. Kobe didn’t average 20 till his 3rd season. Lebron 4 finals MVPs > Kobe 2 finals MVPs

[@BigKi30]

@@TylerH510ask Jamal Murray if Lebron only choked once .. 😂

[@nets4life377]

Kobe averaged 15 in his first finals. Had a terrible performance against the pistons in 04. Blew a 3-1 lead against the suns and gave up. And in 2011 swept after winning a championship. And has not had one career defining finals series like other top 10 greats. And no just winning does not mean he had a an all time great series. Kobe is far from flawless in fact even curry has had better performances in the playoffs.

[@BigKi30]

@@nets4life377 Don’t forget about his 5-2 finals record, 3peat and a back to back…

[@TylerH510]

@@BigKi30 tell me you’re an ignorant person without telling me you’re an ignorant person🤣 ain’t nobody ever has played as good as Lebron has at age 39. Dude averaged 28/8 and last I checked choking is scoring 8 points and throwing a tantrum like Jamal just did against the wolves🤣

[@Alex-kq1el]

He’s the only player that was closest to MJ, but he’s not considered in the debate?

[@straightlead8]

Style wise maybe. But Jordan was never a sidekick

[@WRNIIVIIII]

mike was never a sidekick

[@jimmyconway6080]

Kobe was Diet MJ. It’s not the same

[@khensanimakgatholelathyati3918]

It makes no sense, how they debate this.

[@StephonAllen-dn2uw]

Kobe Bryant closest all time to goat 🐐 Jordan in terms of playing style not all time player rankings

[@akeemmanhertz4013]

The disrespect for Kobe is crazy af

[@optimistic1__299]

If you look up the definition of GOAT- it’s go show Michael Jordan face 🤣🤣

[@dochudson9393]

I think you got him confused with Wayne Gretzky

[@Princespady]

How do you lose more than you win and still get to be 2nd all time

[@melvinhhcp3615]

Good question!

[@BigKi30]

Exactly

[@daquaylenavie3740]

How do you only have one MVP and think you deserve to be in the goat debate? Also 5 of lebron 6 finals losses came to 2 teams the spurs and warriors who are two of the greatest dynasties in NBA history.

[@Princespady]

@@daquaylenavie3740 you know why Kobe and Jordan are better they stopped dynasties from happening and created their own dynasty while y’all make excuses for Bron

[@RL-ww5ev]

So then do you have bill Russel #1? He has 11 titles in 12 years. I'm gonna assume you don't yet you hold rings as a way to discredit lebron

[@DemonSlayer_ISTJ]

Whoever didn't know this before Shaq said it clearly doesn't know basketball. Like Buck said back in the day "I KNOW YOU GONNA LET ME SHINE AND GET MINE", give Kobe his credit. I've had my Kobe posters and merch since the Shaq and Kobe days and no one could tell me otherwise til this day Kobe's not the GOAT.

[@shardahear6640]

How about Tim Duncan if Kobe is in it????

[@JustTheFacts45]

Nobody thinks either is the goat let's be real

[@hoopandhands3328]

That court case really screwed Kobe's career in some aspects. That 3/4 year period where the media and sponsors didn't f with him would have been a completely different discussion had that never happened. He probably does beat out Nash for the MVP. He probably doesn't get more help instead of the absolutely garbage that he had.

[@lukekylestanley4072]

Jay Williams says "Kobe has 36 game winners. 36 Game winners. Most by any NBA player🤫in NBA HISTORY"

[@austinshannon4197]

Bill Russell is BY FAR the best NBA player in history. He was great and won 11 NBA Finals, the most NBA Finals wins for any player in NBA history, he’s VASTLY underrated.

[@BBB17470]

How many mvp he won in the process?

[@Mari000]

He played against plumbers

[@TylerH510]

He played in a league with like 12 teams. Rules were in his favor and there was no 3 point line. Russell also played with like 9 other HOF players

[@kylesawkon4074]

Kareem has more of an argument

[@nighthawk4826]

Barely competitive back then.

[@TT79-]

This obsession this community has over who the best basketball player is. They seem to have this conversation once per week.

[@tbd3058]

It’s an American thing and honestly it’s pathetic

[@TT79-]

@@tbd3058 **black American thing

[@stepheningram9279]

Mj and Kobe are the two greatest players of all of time I stand on that

[@Fatta007]

If Kobe wasn't the greatest at his own position then how can he be in the GOAT convo ???

[@z-mane1438]

How many times ur gonna ask that??

[@yannickwillems8523]

Fr😂😂​@@z-mane1438

[@olaf6529]

⁠@@z-mane1438 do you not have a strong enough response?

[@Maxjuliann]

Because he is only behind the greatest player ever which makes him second greatest

[@z-mane1438]

@@olaf6529 don’t need one

[@rockerpirate]

I don’t care what they say. I’ve seen Jordan play, Kobe play, and lebron. They’re all so fkn good and some of the greatest of all times.

[@ashtonyoshi6811]

Been watching ESPN for 24 yrs. All of these 🤡 have fallen hard

[@RamonteMeans]

So who was helping bron in Miami wasn't that wade a superstar .

[@Mari000]

And in Cleveland: Kyrie. LA: Davis.

[@tomanguyen]

Yup. D wade. The greatest 3rd shooting guard ever..

[@mason2721]

Lmfao Shaq is the most dominant player ever, you give Bron shaq that’s 6-7 rings.

[@winten3815]

Kobe > LeBron Yet another simple and clear example of what makes Kobe superior to Lebron as a player is what Kobe did vs. Denver in the playoffs vs. what Lebron did vs. Denver in the playoffs. Kobe in 2008 and 2009 with a far inferior team beat Denver both times demoralizing them in every way possible, taking over late in the clutch in nearly every single crucial moment of every game in both playoff seasons. Lebron on the other hand failed and melted down in nearly every crucial moment of every game, inspite of major help from the refs, inspite of having a teammate capable of scoring 40 and grabbing 20 rebounds, inspite of his size and power advantage etc. He managed to win only 1 out of 9 games playing alongside one of the very best 2 way players in the league. This is incomprehensible for any player in any GOAT debate, unless that teammate is past his prime or did not play well, which was not the case in Anthony Davis case. Perspective : In 2008, The Denver Nuggets had prime Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson, defensive anchors Kenyon Martin and Marcus Camby, and 6th man supreme JR Smith as they played in the high altitude with their hostile crowds making it highly difficult to win for opposing teams. Unfortunately for Nuggets, in the very first round of the playoffs, they ran into the single most feared player of a whole generation, THE GAUNTLET of the Western conference, a force of nature with a maniacal will to win second to none, whom absolutely demoralized them inspite of all that firepower, defense, depth, and coaching savvy, sweeping the Nuggets relentlessly. That player, Kobe Bean Bryant. Kobe in that series : Ppg : 33.5 Apg : 6.3 Rpg : 5.3 Stl : 1.5 Blk : 1.5 FG% : 50% Kobe also went on to gentleman sweep Tim Duncan and the mighty Spurs in the WCF that postseason. The Following season Kobe beat them 4-2 prompting Nuggets head coach George Karl to say about Kobe “Jesus would have had trouble covering him” Kobe in that series : Ppg : 34.0 Apg : 5.8 Rpg : 5.8 Stl : 0.8 Blk : 0.5 FG% : 48%

[@tbd3058]

No, lol

[@reyesrn1935]

@@tbd3058 Yes lol

[@jamesbroady3604]

He beat Denver to win a ring too 😎

[@HotGritz910]

Also the most beat 50 win teams in the playoffs....that right there could be a major argument in the goat debate.

[@choward5430]

Kobe had Shaq. Lebron had D Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, KCP, and Rajon Rondo.

[@choward5430]

@sagittariusc5656 I'd crush Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe simultaneously in a GOAT debate...WITH VIDEO!

[@isaiaheto799]

Are any of those players better than shaq?

[@isaiaheto799]

Kobe had, Dwight Howard in his prime, Steve Nash, pau gasol , Lamar, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest, Derick Fisher, Julius Randal, Brandon Ingram, nick young, D Russell, Ty lue

[@isaiaheto799]

@sagittariusc5656 what about the guys he listed about Lebron? Ray Allen not in prime, Shane battier??? Tristan Thompson these are roll players, Dwight Howard past his prime? So shy are you telling me about who past their prime if the oh comment doing the same

[@isaiaheto799]

@sagittariusc5656 the hypocrisy to fit your own narrative in your mine that you become so delusional

[@robreeto]

I have Kobe before Lebron in the GOAT convo, i have MJ #1

[@BIGRO40]

Kobe was mad at shaq because he didn’t want to workout. Kobe wanted it more than shaq. You can’t hold shaq’s lack of work ethic against Kobe

[@Kevin.Costner.]

Forget Cody Rhodes we need ANT Edwards to 🗣️Finish the story!!

[@Bman32x]

I wish the NBA finals was TWolves vs Thunder.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

@@Bman32x same that would be a nice tug of war to see to who wins there first title.

[@Kevin.Costner.]

@@runrafarunthebestintheworldWould be peak, kinda like NFL it would turn into who can score / rare buckets compared to who can get a stop 130-120 scorelines

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

@@Kevin.Costner. would be like the NHL finals of last year win the Knights vs Panthers.

[@TopDrifter203]

Stephen A of course is smoking we all know Kobe is in the conversation man straight delusional on this segment

[@tbd3058]

Kobe hasn’t been in that conversation for a long time and rightfully so

[@cartierlyles-douglas2481]

This Kobe slander is crazy 😂😂😂😂😂

[@hood_TheJoker]

takes a real man to admit your little brother is better than you..mamba should absolutely be in the debate

[@kjjr3270]

Shaq is biased and a certified hater. Of course he would try everything to push a narrative for his death brother

[@Sam-db4mr]

Kobe AND Kareem should be in the GOAT conversation. Although Jordan is the undisputed GOAT

[@wangtang12]

Kobe doesn't belong

[@Sam-db4mr]

@@wangtang12 really? Not going to back that up with even one reason? Lazy lol

[@wangtang12]

@@Sam-db4mr he can't be the goat if he's not the greatest at his position

[@popoyuanbro1]

Kobe Belongs in the conversation

[@chemicalhap]

GOAT is this: Bill Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan

[@kjjr3270]

Might as well add yourself at this point

[@jaytee4374]

Stephen A. actually made a good point about Kobe not being #1 at his position

[@eb5351]

1. Jordan 2. Kobe 3. Bron

[@andrewwatson8591]

The dude wasn’t even the best player on his own team three of the five championships and has one MVP, he doesn’t belong anywhere near the conversation stop it

[@andrewsadikin5226]

Mount Rushmore (consider the GOAT in their own perspective opinion) because of different skill sets and era: - MJ (assassin mentality like Kobe is 2nd to have this mentality and same position, sho he cannot be in Mt Rushmore, probably no:5 or 6) - Kareem (unstoppable move) - B Russell (championships or rings) - Lebron (all-rounder)

[@kylesawkon4074]

I’ll take bird and magic over bron

[@anonymouse6856]

I would put Magic in there over Bron. Better all around player and has more rings in less years. Him and Bird saved the NBA.

[@osvaldo360grados]

Go to every team best player or players, they consider Kobe their goat. PLAYERS!! and media, like they know how to play, disrespect Kobe like he's not even a top 5. This is sad

[@user-uh7mb3jb3t]

Kobe won 2 ships as the single superstar on the Lakers correct? Just saying....

[@nomoney_sniper1885]

Lebron had wade & bosh for 2, kyrie & love for 1, and anthony davis for the 2020 ring

[@princesally743]

Hakeem Olajuwon won 2 chips as a lone superstar I guess he's the goat

[@moman36]

@@princesally743 Kobe didn’t just win 2 he has 5 you clown

[@tbd3058]

One of those was mostly Pau Gasol but the fanboys don’t know that because they didn’t even watch the actual games

[@moman36]

@@tbd3058 you’re a clown who deserves to never talk about basketball if you think pau was ever better then Kobe during that run 😂😂

[@Spursfaninthe313]

If Kobe deserves the convo then so does Timmy

[@JuwanDunbar-b6u]

Kobe is the #1 best player in nba history 💯

[@iTuber012]

Magic and LeBron had super teams but they always get a pass... MJ is MJ... No debate there but to just dismiss Kobe? Nah

[@jasonwood8023]

His death has a lot of people putting him in spaces he doesn't really deserve, and he wasn't in those condos while alive. I have him in that 6-12 range all time.

[@straightlead8]

Thats because you have common sense and dont think emotionally. I have him 10th and even thats a stretch

[@jasonwood8023]

@@straightlead8 I'm pretty solid on my top 6. Mj Lebron Kareem Magic Russell Wilt Kobe is in that TD, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem group for me.

[@davis2k1234]

We’re on KZbin look up stuff from late 2000s/2010s hear what announcers/sports debate shows were saying just watch a playoff highlight with Mark Jackson saying quote “I never thought I would put a player on MJs level ever again but they way Kobe is playing right now might have to reconsider” the question was if he gets 6 rings is he the best ever

[@Kendricktimes2]

@@straightlead8I got Kobe 7 Lebron, MJ,Kareem,Bill Russell,Magic,Duncan, Kobe,Shaq,Steph,Hakeem

[@jasonwood8023]

@davis2k1234 yet on no lists from that period had Kobe top 5. No respected list had him that high. Kobe is the second best shooting guard ever. Being an 80 proof MJ doesn't suddenly make you #2 all time for all positions. That's why on most past and current lists, you find him typically in that 5-10 range.