0:00 Max Kellerman says Drew Brees isn’t a top-tier QB of all time. 2:50 Dan Orlovsky is shocked by Max’s Brees take. 5:00 Stephen A. weighs in on Max’s take.
@jdmagicmusic3 жыл бұрын
nah, not even Top 10 all time- i agree w/Max on this!!! but where is Steve Young in this conversation? stats don't convey EVERYthing... all-time winners WIN, and often!!! and the dome argument is valid as well (but rather diminishes Manning) yeah, he will be 1st ballot HoF, but he AIN'T Top 5, and not even Top 10 all time!
@dejones8033 жыл бұрын
@Kyle Lawns Rodgers has a ring and 3 MVPs. He is definitely top 10 lmao and don’t get me started on the statistics.
@supersaiyangodvegeta72703 жыл бұрын
@Kyle Lawns name me 10 qbs over Rodgers lol
@him125383 жыл бұрын
Max is trash
@brandonaraujo21773 жыл бұрын
This take a little too staged for me. I’m taking Prime Brees over anybody besides maybe Brady
@tigerhoods79273 жыл бұрын
Max kellerman: I rather have Andre Iguodala at quarterback
@Ninjachickenfingers3 жыл бұрын
Laser beam pointed at earth, I want THAT guy
@vintagemonte3 жыл бұрын
@@Ninjachickenfingers 😂😂😂😂
@jpg61133 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@poopstainhotdog13 жыл бұрын
World on the line!
@slidesisaiah44553 жыл бұрын
Man y'all trippin, I would rather have MJ taking my last shot with the deathbeam pointed at the Earth
@taylormeurer45563 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else die laughing when they saw Dan’s face?😂
@PaulPierceonDaLakers3 жыл бұрын
I gotta stop smoking I thought him and Stephen A were froze while max talks 😂
@WestCoastStyleSports3 жыл бұрын
I laughed when he told max he's out of his mind 🤣😂😂🤣
@nOne-ol4bz3 жыл бұрын
@@PaulPierceonDaLakers dude me toooo lmaoooooo
@salmanahjum-mathee90553 жыл бұрын
I did🤣
@emanuelmalik66423 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@BryanHo3 жыл бұрын
I was honestly worried Dan had a stroke until he started talking LOL.
@seponsacoolya3 жыл бұрын
It was a hot second he didn’t move a muscle, got worried
@BrianGarcia-kc4vi3 жыл бұрын
😭😭😭😭
@IrvingDL5063 жыл бұрын
Can't blame him though, Max on crack right now
@Mista.Sir.3 жыл бұрын
Lol I saw this while watching , and was like it can’t be that bad , but I stand corrected 💀😂
@ouzi91223 жыл бұрын
His ears flared up hahahaha
@ryanestabrooke1113 жыл бұрын
Drew’s definitely top 10. 1st ballot HOF. What a career.
@shadowsmessage3 жыл бұрын
Saints are cheaters & Drew Brees is a joke 🤡
@Ryan-ci6es3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowsmessage colts fan huh?
@alphasports37432 жыл бұрын
@@shadowsmessage Falcon or Vikings fan ... its funny how the Pats cheated more than any team and they call Brady the Goat.
@ryanestabrooke1112 жыл бұрын
@Raymond Sims ? Lol how?
@ryanestabrooke1112 жыл бұрын
@Raymond Sims well that’s 9 and I’m assuming Rodgers is your 9th because SB’s and championships are team accomplishments
@CollapsingFacade3 жыл бұрын
Max: “If Chris Paul wouldn’t have went down in Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals, Brees would have gotten over the hump!”
@bentubbs80603 жыл бұрын
Max if not for a Pre snap penalty kellerman is a idiot
@rogu3tharonin3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@YungJ3 жыл бұрын
“You can pretend to be shocked by that, Dan” 😂
@jleww89593 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@TheHappyHuntsman3 жыл бұрын
Dan trying to be dramatic. No one cares
@Benj7223 жыл бұрын
Max is the GOAT 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@sidhoward52183 жыл бұрын
He wasn’t pretending lol
@Gekokujo763 жыл бұрын
@@TheHappyHuntsman Max trippin HAM
@amcandy23593 жыл бұрын
Dan's face when it popped up😆. I thought his screen froze.
@hightolerance87283 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@blanelynch45763 жыл бұрын
I died💀😂💀😂
@Ninjachickenfingers3 жыл бұрын
Really caught me off guard when Dan said Rodgers has had a consistent defense lmao and I’m not even a packers fan
@felipeborre66983 жыл бұрын
Since Rodgers became the starter in 2008 the Packers have 6th ranked scoring defense. Brees has the 23rd
@Ninjachickenfingers3 жыл бұрын
@@felipeborre6698 the same defense that gives up like 35+ all the time in playoff games? Sure
@felipeborre66983 жыл бұрын
@@Ninjachickenfingers yeah the same one that game him the ball 4 times in the 4th quarter in the championship game needing a TD and he couldn’t do it
@Ninjachickenfingers3 жыл бұрын
@@felipeborre6698 okay yeah he choked lol that one game doesn’t make up for his defense letting him down all those other times
@felipeborre66983 жыл бұрын
@@Ninjachickenfingers what other Times Bro? The time they intercepted Wilson 5 times in the championship game and Rodgers still couldn’t win?
@OllieBlazin3 жыл бұрын
Multiple 5,000 yard seasons. Most of his career didn’t play with an AP or PB receiver. Accomplished as much stats as his competition in less time. He ain’t the GOAT, but to not be considered top tier is genuinely asinine.
@quajodanso3243 жыл бұрын
“A consistent defence the way Rodgers did”... Huh?😭
@travisblair31893 жыл бұрын
That's what I said 😂
@lonewo1f0453 жыл бұрын
Stop the cap Dan...
@packersfaninvegas3 жыл бұрын
Right 🤷🏽♂️
@bean1813 жыл бұрын
Ikr stop the cap Rodgers had had the worst defense for a top QB in the NFL his team let’s an average of 30 points and Aaron Rodgers never had the ball on the last drive In the OT
@RefillForever3 жыл бұрын
Aaron Rodgers only had a worst than 25th ranked defense once and Drew had like 6 worst than 25th in the league. So Dan is speaking facts when talking about who had consistently the better defense. When you have back to back years with the defense ranked 31st in the league thats truly inconsistent.
@leonellangston20093 жыл бұрын
This debate is too Staged, Max is an expert on Trolling, he did this just to trigger good boy Orlovsky...
@kenanyahbenisrael84173 жыл бұрын
If they weren’t regulars on this program...you could say it’s staged
@rf78143 жыл бұрын
Not even. They have a production meeting every morning to discuss what nonsense they're going to talk about. It's all deliberate. The show wouldn't work if everyone is rational and agrees
@kenanyahbenisrael84173 жыл бұрын
@@rf7814 ..but Max is right. Brees is not top 10. And Max eloquently brought out why. Either you agree or you’re just a Brees stan and can’t take it
@jos68843 жыл бұрын
facts just look at dan’s face
@rf78143 жыл бұрын
@@kenanyahbenisrael8417 WRONG. Not a saints fan or brees fan. The guy is clearly top ten all time. Numbers don't lie. There's nothing eloquent about this show or any in that genre. Just a bunch of guys yelling at each other about nonsense trying to go viral.
@skiidawgg3 жыл бұрын
I thought Orlovsky’s camera was frozen at the beginning.......but nahhh it was just his disbelief😂
@kirkchalmersjr.21993 жыл бұрын
😭😭😭😭
@sportsnowwithdariusaiden12573 жыл бұрын
Cliff Kellerman strikes again!
@kevinjones91593 жыл бұрын
aaron rodgers has had a consistent defense?
@gunamuthu92843 жыл бұрын
Dan is literally speechless
@sunmod15293 жыл бұрын
The completion % stat you can't overlook. The most accurate QB ever over a long period of time too
@randymcdaniel88653 жыл бұрын
Dan saying peyton had a consistent defense is absolutely hilarious
@natea20063 жыл бұрын
Yup. We had 2 decent defensive seasons....we went to the super bowl both times. The rest of the time Peyton pulled them along.
@voiceofreason26742 жыл бұрын
Better than the Saints
@kalibakingJesustha1 Жыл бұрын
Well he did have better defenses then Brews sooo....
@newvisionartworks9 ай бұрын
1@@natea2006
@Eric-jz1cv3 жыл бұрын
Stephen A and Dans faces are perfect here 😂
@jamesjefferson38093 жыл бұрын
Never thought I’d hear Stephen A to tell someone to calm down😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@samd18113 жыл бұрын
I know it’s usually the other way around
@jamesjefferson38093 жыл бұрын
@@samd1811 that’s what makes it so funny. He’s usually the one that has to be told to calm down😂😂😂😂
@huntermoreno78053 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@Logical2813 жыл бұрын
ESPN is pretty disrespectful for this segment. Guy just retired, no need to diminish his accomplishments
@Devorantem3 жыл бұрын
He made hundreds of millions of dollars. He'll be okay, guy.
@tylerriley59763 жыл бұрын
Not diminishing, rather putting his accomplishments in proper context.
@laftw933 жыл бұрын
It's a debate show not a funeral cupcake lol
@thelegendaryuchihashinobig49583 жыл бұрын
@sirsparksalot Dude, dont act like they dont try to diminish Brady's legacy too.
@AveryFlores223 жыл бұрын
0:38 Max- My answer is no Drew Brees isn’t one of the best QBs of all time. Dan- 😧😟
@SmooveClipsss3 жыл бұрын
I’m mad high and dans face at first had me rolling
@nOne-ol4bz3 жыл бұрын
Bruh Max hates on all the modern generation greats like Brady and Brees
@marvinjazzhands2513 жыл бұрын
He ain't wrong though and he paid his respect initially. Brees ain't a top 5 QB. He's top 10 sure.
Stephen A telling them to calm of down and that’s there’s no reason for them to be like that when he literally goes off every show 😂👍🏻
@roadrunner3813 жыл бұрын
I know right, but hey, we love it ,hearing these guys go back and forth, it's sports talk baby!
@jtfux35743 жыл бұрын
“Aaron Rodgers has had a better defenses than drew Brees” is the most CAP I’ve heard all day
@jtfux35743 жыл бұрын
The last 3 playoffs loses the packers had the defense gave up 44, 38, and 31 points
@jei39703 жыл бұрын
I mean Saints defense has finally gotten better these last 2 years went through years of having one of the worst defenses in the league. Hence why Drew had so many years of 5k yards.
@jei39703 жыл бұрын
@@Mynameismyname01 this.
@matheussampaiodemorais93523 жыл бұрын
bro this guy once said that Carson wentz is better than Aaron Rodgers, he's a hater. He's salty cause Rodgers used to kill the lions all those years he was in their bench. Yes, Brees had a terrible defense for years but so did Rodgers, and the saints defense has been one of the best in the league the last few years while green bays defense is still trash
@llbarcode3 жыл бұрын
@@jtfux3574 looks like they are improving! 😂
@mryorkielover3 жыл бұрын
In 2 more years, Brees will NOT be First in any Quarterback statistic. At least when Marino retired, he held ALL QB stats for over 10 years until they were passed.
@icydiamonds37473 жыл бұрын
😐
@larryking26983 жыл бұрын
Yeah cuz qbs are better now a days and Marino wasn’t in a competition with a qb like Brady or anyone near him.
@mdc13423 жыл бұрын
He was always in Peyton, Tom’s shadow when all 3 played. He 7-10 ranking but not 1-6
@EchoSoundWorks3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don’t get why everyone is so shook by max’s take. Max said he was top 10.
@992ras3 жыл бұрын
Oh while Manning and Brady were still in The league from 11,12, 13 Drew for 5,000 yards also let’s not forget while they were in the league Brees was on the Number 1 to 5 offense with some of the worst D’s in the league. Brady and Manning alway had good D’s. Brees for many yrs kept the saints form being below average team to being average team never have a real losing. Many ppl forget Brees then would throw 40 to 50 passes a game
@saucyx43 жыл бұрын
@@992ras that’s why his arm is so dead now compared to bradys he had to throw because with the defense we had we’d play catch-up all day
@feynmanschwingere_mc22703 жыл бұрын
Manning is criminally overrated. He had more help on BOTH sides of the ball and in the front office than Brady, Brees, and Rodgers and in his first SB winning run had 3tds, 7ints and in his second SB winning run put up the worst passer rating and QBR by a SB winning QB. Manning played with Faulk, Edgerrin, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Tarik Glenn, Saturday, then D-Thomas (6'3, ran a 4.3.forty electronic time), Decker, Sanders, Welker, J. Thomas, 3 all pros on offensive line, No Fly Zone. 2 rings to show for it. NFL record 9 one and dones - and he had multiple #1 OVERALL defenses. Yet he played with more HOF talent on offense, AND probably defense (Mathis, Freeney, Sanders won DPOY, Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware) than any of the other 3.
@ManifestingProsperity7183 жыл бұрын
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 colt defense was horrible, and Peyton made those offensive skill players better. Also he made Denver a Super Bowl contender again outside of his last year in which he was injured and on his last leg.
@jaleelgoines99493 жыл бұрын
Top ten qb of all time. 1.brady 2.Montana 3.Manning 4.elway 5.Rodgers 6.Brees 7.farve 8.Marino 9.young. 10.Unitas
@architkumar65493 жыл бұрын
This is really good but Rodgers isn’t too 5 just yet
@J7mmy2K043 жыл бұрын
I would put Brees at 4.
@jaleelgoines99493 жыл бұрын
@@architkumar6549 I understand but I would take Rodgers over the bottom top 5
@danielquealy56673 жыл бұрын
Thought orslovski was frozen
@Thegoldenchild4153 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀😭
@showtime44813 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t just let him leave without debating things not needing debated
@Doknot-tb9ey3 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@BratatoChip3 жыл бұрын
It’s tv man lmao. They have too
@Eye_Know3 жыл бұрын
Dan: “Why is Aaron ahead of him? because he has more talent….” Max: “Because Aaron Rodgers is better, come on…”
@jeormormont74703 жыл бұрын
Simple
@youngmoney30153 жыл бұрын
😂🤣
@deveon1stboy3 жыл бұрын
Loll Brees the GOAT
@Deuce-sz6yw3 жыл бұрын
@@deveon1stboy Yeah, how long is it going to take before everyone realizes a Super Bowl is a team accomplishment and that the defenses that Brees played for ranked in the following position in the league in yards allowed. 2001. (Back when there were only 31 teams). 11th, 2002. (The first year with 32 teams and the expansion team the Texans were still better than them). 30th, 2003. 27th, 2004. 18th, 2005. 13th 2006. 11th, 2007. 26th, 2008. 23rd, 2009. 25th, 2010. 4th, 2011. 24th, 2012. 32th, 2013. 4th, 2014. 31st, 2015. 31st, 2016. 27th, 2017. 17th, 2018. 14th, 2019. 11th, and 2020. 4th. No wonder the guy has only one Super Bowl. Here’s a list for Brady. 2000. 19th, 2001. 24th, 2002. 23rd, 2003. 7th 2004. 9th, 2005. 26th, 2006. 6th, 2007. 4th, 2008. 10th, 2009. 11th, 2010. 25th, 2011. 31st, 2012. 25th, 2013. 26th, 2014. 14th, 2015. 9th, 2016. 8th, 2017. 29th, 2018. 21st, 2019. 1st, 2020. 6th. That’s an average of 19.3 best defense for Brees and 15.9047619048 for Brady. And here’s a list of pro bowl skill position players that played with him when they got their Pro Bowl appearance including players who would have played but couldn’t because their team made it to the Super Bowl. Ladaian Tomlinson (2005), Antonio Gates (2005), Jimmy Graham (2012), Jimmy Graham (2014), Jimmy Graham (2015), Mark Ingram II (2015), Mark Ingram II (2018), Alvin Kamara (2018), Alvin Kamara (2019), Michael Thomas (2019), Michael Thomas (2020), and Alvin Kamara (2020). Now here’s a list for Tom Brady. Terry Glenn (2000), Tory Brown (2002), Corey Dillon (2005), Randy Moss (2008), Wes Welker (2009), Wes Welker (2010), Wes Welker (2011), Wes Welker (2012), Rob Gronkowski (2012), Rob Gronkowski (2013), Wes Welker (2013), Rob Gonkowski (2014), Rob Gronkowski (2018), (If fullbacks count as skill position players than James Develin (2018), Mike Evans (2020), and Chris Godwin (2020). That’s 12 for Brees and for Brady that’s 15 or 16. Yet Brees with one less season of play is 1st in passing yards, 1st in completion percentage, 1st in completions, and Brady has only thrown 10 more TD’s. It’s Obvious who is the NFL’s greatest quarterback of all time, Drew Brees!
@Adino13 жыл бұрын
He isn't But if he comes to NO I might change my mind
@Jj-jd5hr3 жыл бұрын
0:40 describes everyone’s reaction to that statement by Max 😂😂😂
@joshuaanthony32623 жыл бұрын
max is speaking facts on this rare occasion
@joshuaanthony32623 жыл бұрын
@YouWouldn'tGetIt max got the best crack in the game
@WilliamsWrestlin3 жыл бұрын
@YouWouldn'tGetIt you smoking Neptune Methane boy Cause he spoke nothing but FACTS. Don't let those fluff stats blind you my guy. All those yards and one super bowl?
@larryking26983 жыл бұрын
He’s not really like it doesn’t take a genius to see Brees was named the best qb in 2006 and was a second team all pro three times but most of y’all need to get ur sports opinions from someone so you turn to max Kellerman lol.
@joshuaanthony32623 жыл бұрын
@@larryking2698 Zero MVP’s sorry man 20 years for 1 super bowl and never been considered an elite talent. empty stats
@larryking26983 жыл бұрын
@@joshuaanthony3262 so cuz he never got an award voted by journalists we should discount the actual plays he made on the field lmfao. I mean going by that, hes also won an espy athlete of the year, so do we count those awards to ? Might as well say favre, marino, rodgers, etc. had empty stats and careers since they never won a ring or only won once.
@khailephd3 жыл бұрын
Max: WITH THE FATE OF THE UNIVERSE ON THE LINE... I’m taking iguodala at QB
@WarLord6453 жыл бұрын
I WANT IGUDOLA!
@Chickenpesto24683 жыл бұрын
I’m taking jay cutler
@hunterdelay30923 жыл бұрын
Max is right, drew brees isn’t on the same level as Peyton, Montana, Rodgers, Brady. Those guys are top tier
@jetsettech88043 жыл бұрын
You are not wrong
@joshuaanthony32623 жыл бұрын
totally agree, brees has neither multiple superbowls nor was he ever considered the best talent at his position. he played in the most pass heavy offense in the most pass heavy era
@simoncohen42643 жыл бұрын
@@joshuaanthony3262 so did those guys except montana
@simoncohen42643 жыл бұрын
And besides brady and Montana I will take brees over Rodgers and manning any day
@jordanross85613 жыл бұрын
joshua anthony umm Rodgers don’t have multiple Super Bowls either & I love how when it come to Drew literally everybody forget This man played with historical bad defense who tf can overcome that? Nobody
@brumph72563 жыл бұрын
Manning had a consistent defense? Definitely not in Indy.
@kaantekuzman45363 жыл бұрын
He had arguably the worst running defense for a decade.
@charlesc.b24353 жыл бұрын
@@kaantekuzman4536 Easily
@ifyoudontworkyoudonteat76443 жыл бұрын
@sirsparksalot 👏
@feynmanschwingere_mc22703 жыл бұрын
Nonsense. He had 8 top 10 defenses. Same "bad run defense" carried him to a Super Bowl ik 2006/2007, led the playoffs in defensive DVOA that year. Manning is criminally overrated. He had more help on BOTH sides of the ball and in the front office than Brady, Brees, and Rodgers and in his first SB winning run had 3tds, 7ints and in his second SB winning run put up the worst passer rating and QBR by a SB winning QB. Manning played with Faulk, Edgerrin, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Tarik Glenn, Saturday, then D-Thomas (6'3, ran a 4.3.forty electronic time), Decker, Sanders, Welker, J. Thomas, 3 all pros on offensive line, No Fly Zone. 2 rings to show for it. NFL record 9 one and dones - and he had multiple #1 OVERALL defenses. Yet he played with more HOF talent on offense, AND probably defense (Mathis, Freeney, Sanders won DPOY, Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware) than any of the other 3. 8 top 10 defenses - might have been more, if you count all his years in Denver - including multiple #1 OVERALL defenses. 2 rings to show for it and countless chokejobs in the playoffs. Super overrated. NFL RECORD 9 one and dones is horrible. Period.
@NeverSober80083 жыл бұрын
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 The Broncos won the super bowl with him in 2015 and missed the playoffs the very next year even though they kept the majority of their starters, they were a good team but I don’t think they carried Manning as much as we think they did.
@calebbraswell91093 жыл бұрын
Max is right lol. “Top tier of all time QBs” is this: 1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Peyton Everything after that is debatable. Max is also right about Brees never really being considered the best QB in the league and barely even top 3 most of his career
@smokedemon14323 жыл бұрын
Facts
@UrWifiIsSlow2 жыл бұрын
No lol, Peyton, Montana, Brees, Rodgers, Brady
@sakthithanigai50362 жыл бұрын
@@UrWifiIsSlow Brees never even won an MVP
@calebashford1686 Жыл бұрын
@@sakthithanigai5036 MVP isn't that important. Brees was always in the conversation for MVP every season. Crazy to not get 1. Usually always losing to Brady, Manning, or Rodgers. But Can Newton has an MVP... Lame argument, honestly.
@lexiherkes5023 Жыл бұрын
@@calebashford1686 someone had to say it
@hottakes26333 жыл бұрын
Max is correct...Brees is top 10 but not top 5. A lot of y’all are just being prisoners of the moment and giving sympathy points.
@dontesshortfilms65773 жыл бұрын
@YouWouldn'tGetIt Brady, Montana, and Peyton are the 1-3 locks. You look at total resume, and I'd say that both Favre and Rodgers clearly have better resumes. Both Super Bowl champions, both Super Bowl MVPs, both 3x league MVPs. I'd even argue that John Elway has a more favorable resume. It's not even a knock on Brees, but he's really had maybe one season where he was arguably the best quarterback in the league. Just about every year of his career there was always at least one quarterback who was simply better than him.
@frenchieeva53323 жыл бұрын
@@dontesshortfilms6577 farve isn’t better than brees
@War_Maker3 жыл бұрын
@YouWouldn'tGetIt yall overrating brees so much lmao, he aint top 5 qb all time.
@jos68843 жыл бұрын
@@dontesshortfilms6577 cap i think manning is overrated he folded in the super bowl
@dontesshortfilms65773 жыл бұрын
@@frenchieeva5332 I will say that just because he isn't top 5 all time doesn't mean he's not top tier or not elite. He definitely is, without a doubt. People get caught up with "if you're not top 5 then you're not elite," or "Mt. Rushmore" of things. In this instance, the top tier category extends to like 7 or 8. Brees, Marino, Johnny U, they're all elite quarterbacks along with Brady, Montana, Peyton, Favre, Rodgers, and Elway. This is the absolute highest of quarterback play that has ever been played in the history of football.
@Mattciofani3 жыл бұрын
Max is right, he isnt top 5 so how is he in the top tier??
@icydiamonds37473 жыл бұрын
Huh?
@z_kd3 жыл бұрын
Isn't top 10 considered top tier, and he probably is top 5
@lk53883 жыл бұрын
@@icydiamonds3747 is he better than brady, peyton manning, joe montana, john elway? If you consider drew brees is as good as any of those guys, then you can put him in your top tier.
@icydiamonds37473 жыл бұрын
@@lk5388 do u wanna play the stat game or do u wanna play the ring game?
@coldwinter54283 жыл бұрын
@@lk5388 the Real top 5 are Brady, Montana, P. Manning, Unitas, Graham. Brees does not remove anybody in that group.
@mcknight4103 жыл бұрын
I rarely agree with Max but I’m going to have to on this.
@404productions83 жыл бұрын
yall ever heard that expression "it doesnt pay to be stupid"? well Max has single handedly changed my mind on that theory 😂😂😂
@nottodayimbusy71463 жыл бұрын
@smitty jergensons I was thinking the same thing
@fangiscool13 жыл бұрын
No, that's Skip Bayles
@Ash-lf6to3 жыл бұрын
@smitty jergensons that’s a very arguable opinion though built on a very flimsy foundation. Max has to keep using “the best” in terms of talent as his crutch because he knows he will get crushed in the actual analytics and statistics.
@Datboy19913 жыл бұрын
Skip is really the one who built that, but Kellerman is definitely becoming that guy.
@RyanPrindall3 жыл бұрын
@smitty jergensons Drew is top 5 of all time if you don't believe that you're on some drugs
@churchservice27003 жыл бұрын
From the 2010 Regular Season to 2012 Playoffs, objectively, Brees was the most productive QB in the league
@War_Maker3 жыл бұрын
Wow a 2 year sample..
@Burrito7773 жыл бұрын
Aaron Rodgers' 2011 season is literally the best season by a quarterback of all time. The only one that has an argument is 2013 peyton manning or 2020 aaron Rodgers lol
@Mostillist3 жыл бұрын
@@Burrito777 2004 manning
@zachspath4943 жыл бұрын
@@Burrito777 04 mannings season and marinos season are still the best imo
@dallaslabar38213 жыл бұрын
@@Burrito777 2007 Brady and 2018 Mahomes?
@jordanross85613 жыл бұрын
I just love how when it come to Drew nobody I mean nobody never bring up this man played with historical bad defense literally worse of the worse who tf can overcome that? Nobody
@giantl91963 жыл бұрын
Even when he had good defenses he still struggled to get the job done
@jordanross85613 жыл бұрын
Giant L lmao when? Please tell me cause the last time he had a decent defense they won the Super Bowl goofy
@giantl91963 жыл бұрын
@@jordanross8561 just last year he had a top 10 defense and he imploded against the bucs in the playoffs
@jeremyhamilton26393 жыл бұрын
@@giantl9196 I wouldn't hold that last perfomance against him too much. Dude was ON his last legs, shattered almost all his ribs with a dead arm at 42 years old and lost to the goat no shame in that.
@Radoman_CCrusader163 жыл бұрын
@@giantl9196 He was in the end of his career suffering multiple devastating injuries like his ribs being cracked. Terrible take
Manning has 8 top 10 defenses. Manning is super overrated.
@reesematic33 жыл бұрын
Right!,
@josephcuccia93543 жыл бұрын
The guy is a clown
@acommenter7043 жыл бұрын
"If Aaron Rodgers gets another superbowl ring or two he would be considered the greatest ever from a talent perspective" nah Stephen a Smith you can consider him your personal goat already from a talent perspective without one or two more rings that doesn't mean that everyone else will. I think Dan Marino is the most talented passer of all time that doesn't mean he was the greatest. Tom Brady is the goat because he is the ultimate winner. You don't win 7 rings by accident or luck. Tom Brady is the Goat and it's not even close.
@WorldSoldier0173 жыл бұрын
Tom is the goat Rodgers is the most talented
@BratatoChip3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldSoldier017 what does that even mean lmao
@famousdre8433 жыл бұрын
Joe Montana the goat
@WorldSoldier0173 жыл бұрын
@@BratatoChip it’s not that hard to understand...
@BratatoChip3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldSoldier017 how is he more talented but only has 1 ring when Brady has 7?
@MrFifty23233 жыл бұрын
Dan face expression is everything 🤣🤣
@ChauncyCharm3 жыл бұрын
What's "top tier"? Top 5 all time? Because if that's it, Max is right.
@walkoff23 жыл бұрын
Saints fans are going to look back 10 years from now and say ‘wait we had Drew Brees and only played in ONE super bowl?’
@ContextReallyMatters3 жыл бұрын
Came close a couple times but it wasn't meant. A play here, a play there and things are different but it was a heck of a ride. The one Superbowl run we did have was magical.
@Ash-lf6to3 жыл бұрын
Not really, because we understand how God awful the defense was in Brees prime years. Shoot the one time we did win a Superbowl, our defense was only middle of the pack at best. But that just goes to show how historically bad we were defensively for many many years
@evildax68152 жыл бұрын
@@Ash-lf6to one of the interceptions against the Dolphins. The replay machine wasnt even working right that day. I am talking about the Saints 2009
@landkevin283 жыл бұрын
Max: He's a Hall of Famer and one of the greatest players of all time Also Max: I don't think he's in the top tier of QBs because he's played with people slightly better
@tigerstone8385 Жыл бұрын
2 things can be true bro
@kingsaucey1419 Жыл бұрын
He is not top tier bro 😂 There are 15 Qbs id take over brees
@flashback50073 жыл бұрын
People are hating on max but he actually kinda has a point granted I see drew Brees at worst is 6th all time
@D258643 жыл бұрын
That's still top 10
@martintejeda52973 жыл бұрын
i got him at 6 or 5
@jeremyhamilton26393 жыл бұрын
If you're top 10 all time at your position then you're top tier considering all the greats outside the top 10, this a dumb debate
@martintejeda52973 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyhamilton2639 also why they do this after he just retired, shitting on him already
@smokeydabear33_743 жыл бұрын
At worst he's top 10. Stop overrating Brees
@chadthompson11013 жыл бұрын
Molly tried butting in so hard at the end LMFAOOOOO
@shootingreal59453 жыл бұрын
What else is new..she acts like we care about her takes..she is the moderator, not a sports analyst.. Wish somebody would clue her in.
@Hatingshawnn3 жыл бұрын
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@jleww89593 жыл бұрын
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@icydiamonds37473 жыл бұрын
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@rxnuski42653 жыл бұрын
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@Mj-uz1ng3 жыл бұрын
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@gutsdw10 ай бұрын
Top 15 Quarterbacks: 1: Brady 2: Manning 3: Montana 4: Rodgers 5: Brees 6: Favre 7:Elway 8: Marino 9: Young 10: Warner 11: Mahomes 12: Unitas 13: Tarkenton 14: Staubach 15: Graham
@LucasLinares-c7j19 күн бұрын
Mahomes too low
@marioanderson56413 жыл бұрын
The way Max straightened his tie after Stephen A agreed with him took me out, subtle savage 😂😂😂
@percybedford62663 жыл бұрын
Dan straight up lied. Peyton Manning didn't have a consistent defense his whole career. Manning didn't get a consistent defense until he went to Denver.
@robertsilva683 жыл бұрын
You're trippin. Colts always had a solid defense during peyton's time there. He literally had one of the best linebacker cores of all time lol. You're a fool
@Buttington_Headerson3 жыл бұрын
@@robertsilva68 Manning had a bottom 12 defense in 7 of his 13 seasons with the colts
@AlwaysHalloween0003 жыл бұрын
So that explains him being 1 and out in the playoffs 9 times *LOL* those 3 INT's in 1 Half to guys like Ed Reed in playoff games were all the "D" fault.. Putting up 8 points in a Super Bowl was all the "D" fault Hahahaha And my list can go on forever
@dejones8033 жыл бұрын
Dan just said Aaron Rodgers had a consistent defense lmao
@khalilabdul-waheed67913 жыл бұрын
Better than Saints did. Their defense was absolute trash for years
@Amroldman3 жыл бұрын
Yea Packers D was good in spots but def not consistent... Either way Im taking Drew over ARod
@nothingspecial81143 жыл бұрын
@@khalilabdul-waheed6791 LOL. Just in the pass 4 years alone Saints have had a great defense from 2017-2020 and Brees led them to go 3-4 in the playoffs, has like 8 INTs and 0 mvps.
@Ash-lf6to3 жыл бұрын
@@nothingspecial8114 you must be young because that is the most recent years outside of Brees’s prime. And even then Brees was playing well hence why Dan brought up the Minneapolis miracle and the worst no call ever against the Rams. But anyways 2015 (before the Bengals on year later) we had statistically the worst defense in modern NFL history.
@freshstacks50433 жыл бұрын
Max don’t know nothing about football. Football is the one sport that is a team sport more than any other. No one position could win a Super Bowl alone. The only thing you could do is your job and the numbers are on Drew’s side
@jrdz35823 жыл бұрын
Max is the only one in that segment qualified to talk football
@michaelmyerz13013 жыл бұрын
Except in the biggest games.
@AD-ur1fk3 жыл бұрын
2018- he threw a pick in overtime against the rams 2019- fumbled in the 4th quarter against a 6 seed Vikings team 2020- threw 3 picks in his own home and got whooped by a team he beat twice in the regular season. Brees had the most stacked team in the league the past 4 years and he still couldn’t make it to the Super Bowl
@truelegend8163 жыл бұрын
He is right brees is an all time great qb top 10, but not top 5 (top tier)
@AyushSingh-dl4od3 жыл бұрын
@@jrdz3582 fr he brings up so many good points but everyone always hates on him
@Gandalf_lion3 жыл бұрын
Dan saying Aaron had a better defense all this time is a flat out lie, the defense in Green Bay was awful outside of these past two years and the year he won the super bowl while the Saints have almost always had a top 10 or 5 defense, and you called max out of his mind, come on man
@carlosbarillas51533 жыл бұрын
Lowkey drew underachieved only 9 playoff wins in 20 seasons and most of them wildcard wins and only one super bowl ? Definitely not top 5
@Peakfreud3 жыл бұрын
You cant state facts while there's so much Drew Brees Hype in the media give a season or two. Once the Emotionalism is in the rears view then you can use facts.
@dawudmuhammad71042 жыл бұрын
look at the context around those games
@seanw59443 жыл бұрын
"Inner Sanctum" lmaoo Edit: Max used it at least twice lol
@duckharrelljr18473 жыл бұрын
Max trolling he just wants his Twitter mentions to go crazy the man just retired show some respect
@PHILLYBOYPL3 жыл бұрын
He prefaced his comments with exactly that tho. Molly asking the tough questions and Max isn’t gonna lie about his position 🤷🏼♂️
@bryanstarke29313 жыл бұрын
it's not necessarily him, it's ESPN and it's the format of the show. To a degree, the show is fake. These 2, along with guests are instructed to take controversial positions in order to setup a debate because it sells ... occasionally I like to click these just to get a laugh at the orchestration and theater
@nolookpass70793 жыл бұрын
@@bryanstarke2931 good analysis
@hectorguzman99413 жыл бұрын
They showing respect, he ain’t top 5 bro simple as that
@drummerboy73803 жыл бұрын
Dan Orlovsky's facial expression is priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!
@NewYorkRaven3 жыл бұрын
He’s #4 all time period. 1.) Brady 2.) Montana 3.) Manning 4.) Brees This is kinda not even debatable really.... (not saying 10-15 years from now he can’t be knocked out but right now that’s the top 4)
@Kcg993 жыл бұрын
3x MVP. 12 5k passing yard seasons for the entire NFL ever and Brees is responsible for 5 of them. Numbers don’t lie Brees is top tier for sure
@BigVideoMan123 жыл бұрын
He said brees never had a consistent defense like Arod did, lost me there
@1987benhur3 жыл бұрын
Guy knows nothing about football, no wonder his team went 0-16
@libanismail11703 жыл бұрын
A-rod has had the worst post season Defense of any top tier QB he lost me there as well did he forget the 49 rushing for over 250 yards on the packers like Rodgers is way better then Brees just stop it.
@Justin6833 жыл бұрын
@New York Bandwagon you kidding in the 15-1 season packers had the worst defense what
@tenthirty823 жыл бұрын
Definitely! Brees defense was dominant the year he won
@damonwilliams9183 жыл бұрын
@@tenthirty82 He won with the 25th best yardage defense, 20th best points defense. They were not dominant.
@e2zbasketball2883 жыл бұрын
PLEASE STOP LETTING MAX TALK FOOTBALL SMDFH
@kevinjv203 жыл бұрын
Well hes making a good point
@MandeepSingh-ki6ve3 жыл бұрын
What he say wrong ? What number would you put Brees? Can't be top 5 for sure, like max said, he's in the top 10.
@mpetkovic263 жыл бұрын
Why, do you take brees over Brady, Peyton, Montana, Rodgers, Elway, Marino? After those you can argue there is next tier Aikman, Brees, Farve, Young(maybe i forgot someone) and you can argue Brees was next best thing. Also we have Mahomes who if he stays healthy for next 5 6 seasons will eclipse him.
@rishabhmadabushi99773 жыл бұрын
Max should be taken off air because what he said is blasphemous.
@russlimm3 жыл бұрын
*SA and Max get into a heated argument- no one says anything *Dan and Max get into a heated argument- SA: first of all, you guys need to calm down, it ain’t that serious 😂
@timjones38933 жыл бұрын
"Yeah but who was the 4th best golfer in the Tiger woods era???" lmao
@deucespades94163 жыл бұрын
Think it was jason day
@jaredpowell45093 жыл бұрын
That’s actually a great point.
@twofour22783 жыл бұрын
i agree with max brees is like in that 7-10 range
@queenfufu43053 жыл бұрын
I think Max wife must’ve had fantasies about Tom Brady and Drew Brees. That’s the only reason I can see him hating on them that much.
@44excalibur3 жыл бұрын
Carson Wentz as well.
@copedigital3 жыл бұрын
Stephen A agreed. Just in a nicer way.
@joannthomas58313 жыл бұрын
Kmsl
@zerti863 жыл бұрын
if LeBron's a stat padder, Drew Brees is the biggest stat padder of all time.
@MrRufusRToyota3 жыл бұрын
Fran Tarkenton was 1st in all stats when he retired. Love Fran Tarkenton. Not one of the all time greats.
@calebashford1686 Жыл бұрын
Dumb comparison. Brees won playoff games and kept his team a contender for over a decade. Let's not go full retarded.
@Hollowsmith3 жыл бұрын
Dan looks like a dad from a teen movie where he came home and his kids threw a party that wrecked the house, and the movie is paused just as he sees the house.
@MT-eo5vy3 жыл бұрын
Brady is levels ahead of everyone else that’s forsure
@HighFalutinTootin3 жыл бұрын
He's going for 8..fk it y not 10 lol
@anthonytaylor79493 жыл бұрын
Only because Brees beat him twice last season!!
@larryyuk32613 жыл бұрын
@YouWouldn'tGetIt yet Brady beats him when it matters
@SuperPayy3 жыл бұрын
He’s like 5-7 in my book.
@mexicancowboy46423 жыл бұрын
Agree
@mpetkovic263 жыл бұрын
5-9 in mine.
@julianclanton12043 жыл бұрын
5-9
@tjdean26663 жыл бұрын
Hes #5 for me
@larryking26983 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is accurate. I wouldn’t argue if someone had him 4 or 5 but it’s realistically 5-7.
@markdotinc83713 жыл бұрын
Max basically decided "top tier" meant "better than Brees" and said "Brees is not top tier" lmao. Kinda low key genius
@kernalbert49393 жыл бұрын
It was pretty slick.
@canaanhonea36003 жыл бұрын
"He never had a consistent defense like aaron Rodgers" umm have I been watching the wrong packers games?
@legendlaw27203 жыл бұрын
He did have a good defense most of the time. Look at his defense now, Smith brothers, Kenny Clarke, Jaire Alexander and co. Before that he had Clay and AJ Hawk and Woodson and Williams, he had/has dogs so what football are we watching?
@EchoSoundWorks3 жыл бұрын
Max: he’s top 10 Max logic: he’s not top tier Me: what’s top tier then? Being one of the 10 best to ever do it seems top tier
@VictorVonDoom.3 жыл бұрын
That’s your opinion. Unfortunately no one cares about your opinion
@mostarr51313 жыл бұрын
When dans face shows is the funniest thing ever😂😂
@sluvjunn Жыл бұрын
The fact he brought our city's spark back in football is enough. he revitalized this city and did a lot for the community in general. easy top 5 dont get it twisted
@jonathanwatson1908 Жыл бұрын
THAT PART.
@Jai.P913 жыл бұрын
Much as I hate to agree with Max, He’s right. Top tier is top 5 or Mount Rushmore (4) Brees is not in either, top 10 probably maybe Great But not top tier of all time.
@jamieprivett50333 жыл бұрын
Man are you dumb
@Jai.P913 жыл бұрын
@@jamieprivett5033 lol okay bud
@Jai.P913 жыл бұрын
@@jamieprivett5033 if you think drew brees is either Mount Rushmore or top 5 of ALL TIME then you the dummy
The order is 1.Brady 2.Montana 3.Manning 4.Rodgers 5.Elway 6.Marino 7.Brees 8.Young 9.Bradshaw 10. Favre
@gsada3 жыл бұрын
this is the final straw for Max..
@hectorguzman99413 жыл бұрын
Lol how, he kinda right bro, he was the 4th best QB during his run, sorry not sorry.
@sirsaracenknight58463 жыл бұрын
Dan Orlovsky: "Drew Brees never had a consistent defense the way Aaron Rodgers did". 🤦 And he's an NFL analyst??? If the Packers had a consistent defense they'd have won 2-3 super bowls
@jeremykrause94433 жыл бұрын
Dan doesn’t know much about the nfl since he barely played.
@johncrow64023 жыл бұрын
@@jeremykrause9443 and how much did you play? Kind of a bad route to go tbh.
@sirsaracenknight58463 жыл бұрын
@@jeremykrause9443 He knows all about getting the ball in the endzone (his own endzone) 😉
@sirsaracenknight58463 жыл бұрын
@@johncrow6402 You don't need to play to know; some of the best coaches of all time never played. Do you think Carson Wentz is the best QB behind Mahomes? Dan does
@vincentmazzola28873 жыл бұрын
Dan has the same face I have when I hear him heap praise on Wentz
@feynmanschwingere_mc22703 жыл бұрын
Manning is criminally overrated. He had more help on BOTH sides of the ball and in the front office than Brady, Brees, and Rodgers and in his first SB winning run had 3tds, 7ints and in his second SB winning run put up the worst passer rating and QBR by a SB winning QB. Brady is the GOAT regular season QB. Manning just had more stacked offenses and threw more pass attempts from the within the 5 yard line than any QB in NFL history to artificially pad his TD numbers. Huge choker in the playoffs 14-13 and he needed Von Miller to BARELY get him above .500 in the playoffs. Manning played with Faulk, Edgerrin, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Tarik Glenn, Saturday, then D-Thomas (6'3, ran a 4.3.forty electronic time), Decker, Sanders, Welker, J. Thomas, 3 all pros on offensive line, No Fly Zone. 2 rings to show for it. NFL record 9 one and dones - and he had multiple #1 OVERALL defenses. Yet he played with more HOF talent on offense, AND probably defense (Mathis, Freeney, Sanders won DPOY, Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware) than any of the other 3.
@clementdecker97253 жыл бұрын
Yo everyone seems to forget what Brees was doing from about 2005-2015 and what his team wasn't doing. Y'all judging him on the last couple of years of his career! I feel like an old man and I am only 20
@YauRemi3 жыл бұрын
History remembers trophies, not stats.
@younghannibal74343 жыл бұрын
Facts 💯
@christianserrano90343 жыл бұрын
This is the same guy who swears Wentz will win MVP and eventually be better than Brady!! Dan is delusional, or Danlusional as I like to say it.
@handsomestik3 жыл бұрын
Dan is out of his mind
@Janny8903 жыл бұрын
Drew Brees always had bad luck whenever he had an all time great season Brady, Manning and Rodgers would too. He's a Top tier QB imo.
@ContextReallyMatters3 жыл бұрын
Kid: Dad, who were the best QBs of your era? Dad: Brady, P. Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothlesberger Kid: Who threw for the most passing yards out of them? Dad: This guy named Drew Brees Kid: Who had the most completions and the best completion percentage Dad: Drew Brees Kid: This Drew Brees guy must have never won a ring Dad: He did. He outplayed three former Superbowl MVPs on his way to his only ring for a team that had never been to the Superbowl. Kid: Who did he outplay? Dad: Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning Kid: So why isn't Brees considered one of the best of his era? Dad: He didn't do enough. Kid: Did he ever throw for 5k yards? Dad: 5 times. He has 5 of the 9 5k seasons and no other QB ever did it more than once. Kid: Tom Brady must have carried his teams more than Brees did. Dad: Definitely! Brady carried teams with top ten defenses to a lot of championships. Kid: What was the defense ranked for the team Brees won the SB with? Dad: 25th Kid: So why was Brees able to put up the numbers he did? Dad: He played in a dome. Kid: Thanks for the clarity. Obviously none of those other guys played in a dome. They would have had as many 5k seasons and lead the league in completion percentage all the time. Dad: P. Manning played in a dome. Kid: So why isn't Brees top tier? Dad: He didn't put up the same numbers on the road as he did at home. Kid: Does anyone? Dad: No Kid: This Brees guy must have just been physically superior Dad: He was half a foot shorter than all of them Kid: What part am I not understanding
@SeventeenSphinx3 жыл бұрын
1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Manning 4. Rodgers 5. Favre 6. Brees 7. Marino 8. Elway 9. Bradshaw 10. Aikman Until Maholmes has played at least 10 seasons he simply can’t be in the conversation
@bostonnate40243 жыл бұрын
Drew was a great player but he didn’t have that dog in him like Brady. I feel like he cared more about stats than wins. I agree with Max 100%
@jamieprivett50333 жыл бұрын
Then you are dumb af
@emmanuelshaul13583 жыл бұрын
Y'all prospective is off. He the only qb who has pass for 80000 yards. That's the greatest accomplishment a quarterback can have. You can't throw for 80000 and not be one of the greatest. Think about what you saying. Remember brady chasing brees record when you chasing someone that means you have to be grest. Great players like brady respect greatness of all caliber. Rather it's 7 rings or 80000 yards. It's the best what other quartback can say they pass for over 80000 yards.
@DuffMan-c5z3 жыл бұрын
Extrapolate Matty Ice’s stats to 287 games and their numbers are very comparable. Brees had 5 7-9 seasons, and all 3 of his 5000 yard season came at 7-9 or 8-8. Ie. empty calories. Great, not top-tier. Finally agree with Max.
@yomamacrib32973 жыл бұрын
He’s been on the Drew’s better than Tom wave most of his career and retirement comes and he switched up, Kellermans a joke
@malikai56433 жыл бұрын
1. Tom Brady 1. Rodgers 3. Brees And yes I meant double ones. You can’t say ones better imo. Cuz I think Rodgers is better than Brady but Brady has 7 rings so can’t really do that 💀
@DeeboComing3 жыл бұрын
Idc what anyone says... Drew put up those numbers with only having 1 pro bowl WR (Michael Thomas). He didn't have a great defense, he didn't have a Gronk (a top 3 or 4 TE of all time), he didn't have Randy Moss (top 3 WR of all time), he didn't have Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne ( HOF WRs).... Drew Brees is UNDOUBTEDLY a top 5 QB of all time. 🤷🏾♂️