Top 5 QBs of ALL TIME?! Keyshawn calls it 'STUPIDITY' from Orlovsky! | First Take

Top 5 QBs of ALL TIME?! Keyshawn calls it 'STUPIDITY' from Orlovsky! | First Take
Dan Orlovsky and Keyshawn Johnson debate whether they would want Joe Montana or Tom Brady in a Super Bowl.
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0:00 Would you rather have Joe Montana or Tom Brady in the Super Bowl?
1:00 Dan Orlovsky would rather have Tom Brady over Joe Montana in a Super Bowl
4:00 Dan Orlovsky and Keyshawn Johnson debate Montana or Brady
6:42 Dan Orlovsky's top 5 QBs of all time
10:00 Keyshawn Johnson weighs in on Orlovsky's list
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[@datboinate0192]

Joe Montana was that dude I’m the same age as Dan Dan on that bs today yo 🤣😂

[@curatorsofdopeness9798]

Ima a year younger. Dan tripping. We ALL knew Joe Montana was that dude. Dan remembers he’s playing dumb

[@MrCallofdutyfanatic1]

@@curatorsofdopeness9798 i was born in 98 and even I know before Brady it was Montana

[@VoodooChild2003]

Elway over Montana is insane 💀

[@akray1153]

Montana not being in the top 5 is even more insane

[@jonmolina948]

Montana could’ve thrown 7 touchdowns in SB XXIV. Beat Elway again on Monday night in 1994. I like Elway and Montana better than Brady. Just my preference.

[@shawnsanders9450]

@@jonmolina948 that's because the AFC was weak AF back then.

[@jonmolina948]

@@shawnsanders9450 And the Broncos broke that 14 game losing streak for the AFC.

[@shawnsanders9450]

@@jonmolina948 yep but before that the NFC had all the money and got all the players. Probably the 6th best NFC team during that time of NFC dominance could have won the Superbowl. Its called no salary cap and why there is one today. Back then the NFC championship was the real Superbowl.

[@julianscott4863]

Anyone who doesn’t put Montana on a top 5 list and gives a reason of not seeing him or appreciating his game, due to being too young when he was playing, is ignorant. Orlovsky just proved himself to be in this category.

[@cebokhumalo602]

but that is still is a reason though... I wasn't even born when Montana was in the league... how can I say Montana is in my Top 5 QB list when I never saw him play and everything I know of him and his game is from KZbin clips and people's opinion. Top 5 list are subjective things and a big factor in these lists is age.

[@axe2grind244]

I’m 44 and wouldn’t put Montana in the top 5 either. It’s a team sport. Joe Montana couldn’t carry Dan Marino’s golf bag, and I’m from Buffalo saying this. Terry Bradshaw has 4 rings yet would be a practice squad QB in 2023.

[@supermario8175]

@Cebo Khumalo it's not a reason, especially when you're considered an expert in that category. To not have a historical basis to your argument is reckless, especially when you have books and KZbin at your disposal. It really just shows what's wrong with this society in general. There is no regard for historical context whatsoever. If it didn't happen in your lifetime, I'll just rewrite history or act like it didn't happen.

[@shzhshzhzhsh8921]

@@axe2grind244 Fr Marino is the best of that era

[@Merin512]

@Cebo Khumalo so based on your opinion you wouldn't have Babe or Hank in your top 5 baseball players? You wouldn't have wayne Gretzky in your top 5 hockey players. You wouldn't have Ali in your top 5 boxers. We can go further and say you wouldnt have Lincoln in your top 5 presidents, you would be forced to pick biden and bush hahahaha. Also in 20 years kids wouldnt have mj, bron kareem in the top 5 nba players??????? You are insane. You are entitled to your opinion I do respect that but your opinion is wrong. It's common sense bud.

[@Malikstaking]

The most disrespectful thing about this list is the fact he already has Patrick mahomes over Peyton Manning 😂

[@stephonhopkins4569]

That’s not even almost disrespectful he is better than Peyton at this point.

[@supersaiyangodvegeta7270]

Better as a talent sure but not more accomplished longevity matters and it’s too esrly to put mahomes here

[@aminkalas700]

i think even andy reid would admit he’d win more with peyton than patrick.

[@maverick33guy95]

It is disrespectful...It's premature no doubt...I think when Mahomes retires he could be in the top 3 but definitely not now

[@innercity28]

@@aminkalas700 Cocaine is a Hulleva DRUG!

[@thatwage]

As Stephen A would say, “Dan Orlovsky, you need to be drug tested!” How dare he not put Montana in the top 5?!

[@gary-gt-tsang]

"Stay off the weeeeeeddddddddd" - Stephen A Smith

[@FLFleXx]

i mean you heard dan. Joe wasnt even t20 lol

[@ColdEraOfficial]

@@gary-gt-tsang the weeeeeeeeeeeduh he's on the weeeeeeeeeeeduh

[@kemjohn2595]

@@gary-gt-tsang nar he on something else for that take

[@supersaiyangodvegeta7270]

I knew this guy was a Moron but he took to another level with this list

[@djedman10]

After his last takes, I'm amazed he didn't put Joe Burrow at 2nd 🤣🤣🤣

[@worstcaseofcrabsever5510]

mwahaha

[@jesusdanielgarcia3952]

And Matthew Stafford 3rd

[@bigda6407]

I’m shocked Dan didn’t put Stafford in the top 5

[@anubys7540]

Defense was totally different in Montana's day. You could lay QBs out.

[@axe2grind244]

So what. Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes would absolutely destroy any defense Joe Montana ever saw with ease. And I’m old enough to remember watching the game when Dan Marino shredded the ‘85 Bears like wet paper.

[@anubys7540]

@Axe2Grind Josh and Patrick have the luxury of knowing defenses will hesitate at contact. They don't know if they are going to slide or step out of bounds. That's a huge advantage in timing.

[@kennethli8]

This is why younger viewers dismiss what they do not know and end up discrediting great players with their bias.

[@mikejohnson3338]

Excellent point, Anubys 👍

[@russellm2555]

'Joe Montana played the 1981 NFC Championship Game that ended with the 'The Catch' to Dwight Clark under the cloud of a credible death threat. "They told me right before the start of the game, or right at the start of the game," said Montana. "Somebody was going to try and shoot me during the game.' Nuff said

[@lukemckown1994]

I can't tell what's more blasphemous having mahomes in the top five or Montana not being 2

[@bruun1974]

In the case Brady vs. Montana ya gotta make an exception at the top and declare both of them GOAT. Joe behind center or Tom makes no difference to the outcome of the game or even how and at what level it'd be played. They're both outofthisworldly. Both cool assassins with the same or higher average qb rating when it really counts. Either way with those two, you have the best chance of winning than with any other qb.

[@shzhshzhzhsh8921]

Both are good takes if you watch football

[@Rg45429]

I mean if he were to retire rn he’s at least top 10 top 5 all time bro frfr‼️‼️

[@midwestent.7010]

Having mahomes at 2 is definitely trolling

[@Lsufan-20]

How? Mahomes is already better than any qb other than Brady

[@jecoral9467]

@@Lsufan-20one Super Bowl

[@hottakes2633]

@@Lsufan-20 Joe Montana has 4 Super Bowls. Peyton Manning has 5 MVPs. You can say Mahomes is the best talent ever, but his resume is still not up to par with these other legends…yet.

[@BuffaloEQ]

@@Lsufan-20 Mahomes is grossly overrated. Everyone gushes over his stats but they are inflated by all the YAC he benefits from every year!

[@taymccullough8775]

@@BuffaloEQ I swear bro

[@samuelamankwa]

Montana not at 2 is beyond criminal and blasphemous 😂💀

[@erikpuka2627]

Peyton was better. He is the 2nd best QB to Brady. Montana had a better career winning wise than Peyton but Peyton was better. Better thrower and better decision maker/proccessor. Closer to perfect. Brady is the only QB better than Peyton. He was like a bettee version of Peyton.

[@tremaynemillner]

Montana can be 1 2 or 3

[@Thedude24]

Patrick Mahomes has played 5 years, Tom brady for 20, Peyton manning for 18, joe Montana for 15, let’s slow down on the Patrick Mahomes is the greatest ever talk, it’s unfair to him to put him in that category. Let’s give him time and see what his legacy will be when all is said and done, everyone puts up video game numbers now, doesnt mean anything without the hardware to back it up.

[@samuelamankwa]

@@tremaynemillner Montana is a clear 2

[@samuelamankwa]

@@erikpuka2627 Montana did more in the biggest moments he’s definitely 2 to Brady

[@JohnSmith-nm4zd]

Joe Montana's stats in 4 Super Bowl appearances: 4-0 record 3 Super Bowl MVP's 11 passing touchdowns 2 rushing touchdowns 13 total touchdowns 0 interceptions 0 fumbles 127.8 passer rating 1142 passing yards 68% completion

[@2kolbe010]

That passer rating us fcking insane

[@JohnSmith-nm4zd]

@@2kolbe010 It's a Super Bowl record that no one will ever beat. Also Montana has the best TD-INT ratio in SB history with 11-0.

[@mpcbsar]

This! Dan is insane being a quarterback himself and saying those things.

[@r8td]

@@mpcbsar Brady has DOUBLE the SB appearances than Montana and has 3 more rings. This isn’t even close

[@mpcbsar]

@@r8td I wasn't arguing that he should be the goat but he definitely deserved to be in the top 5. Right?

[@tremaynemillner]

Elway over montana and peyton is insane

[@veezob2440]

Montana destroyed elway in the super bowl

[@LDavis-vr9fm]

Elway had no help plus Joe had Jerry

[@markjones2518]

elway was inconsistent and he threw at least one interception in every Super Bowl he played in

[@santiagobuenos9673]

Montana played in an era where they played defense, Mahomes doesn’t

[@adamjupiter1]

Thank you.

[@ericsmith5150]

You talking like you some retired DC or something 🤣 yall old heads stay stuck in the past them old "legends" would love to have had the skills Mahomes has stop kidding yourself

[@stevenstocker7425]

@@ericsmith5150 they did but their games were hindered to the rules or lack there of rules in that era. Even 15 years ago before the Brady rule was implemented the game was much more physical. And also this is the only Super Bowl where the Cheifs won 2 playoff games on flags

[@ericsmith5150]

@@stevenstocker7425 regardless of everything you said Patrick still the GOAT

[@benitojuarez999]

if you dont got montana or brady in ur top 5, i cant take it serious

[@chrisluckey1690]

Also Drew Brees had all the major stats when retired Passing Yards Touchdowns Completions & etc Not too mention his height

[@deriniquetaylor-gv9is]

Drew the greatest hated qb of all time with better numbers than everybody but Brady he even had to play extra seasons to caught drew numbers

[@GreenBeanMrClean]

10:01 Keyshawn's reaction after he asked Dan what was the standard at quarterback before Tom Brady when he replied John Elway had me going 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RL-ww5ev]

whats funny about that. took terrible teams that didn't deserve to go to super bowl. retired with all time wins

[@rolandorod9883]

Dan looking like Max Kellerman during his IGUODALA take

[@baller0724]

WITH THE FATE OF THE UNIVERSE ON THE LINE!!

[@jminor01]

@@baller0724 🤣🤣🤣

[@CalculatedKrazy]

It’s so hard trying to listen to Keyshawn explain his POV 💀 .

[@StevenP727]

That's like telling a judge "Ok your Honor can you please exclude my first 3 charges of bank robbery because I'm innocent on this robbery case" 😭🤣

[@TheRealSeeJ]

😂

[@flexwashington638]

Actually this may be THEE one time he made sense.

[@wade836]

@@StevenP727 not at all like that… you clearly missed dans point & keys intellectual dishonesty, But here’s a scenario that I think everyone could visualize & come to a conclusion. Put joe on the patriots & do you think he’d win any superbowls? Put Brady on those 49ers & how many is he winning?

[@spenser6353]

@@wade836 Joe took a chiefs team to the afc championship at the end of his career. The man was a great player. No doubt about it

[@slimdude4450]

Dan's face when he said "you're taken out Patrick" 😂

[@supersaiyangodvegeta7270]

The fact that he has the nerve to put a guy in year 5 top 2 is ridiculous enough…

[@truthtella3371]

@@supersaiyangodvegeta7270 he’s the best qb talent wise

[@supersaiyangodvegeta7270]

@@truthtella3371 yeah but this isn’t a talent top 5 otherwise Brady wouldn’t even be on there. Top 5 talent wise 1. Mahomes 2. Rodgers 3. Marino 4. Vick 5. Young

[@van2.060]

@@supersaiyangodvegeta7270 who?? Lol Lamar is more talented than Marino and Young…wheter its Steve or Vince lol

[@dorya.2189]

@@van2.060 You’re such a troll.

[@StylerEX]

great conversation

[@De3dSh0t]

Mahomes at 2 already is insane lol You can say he's the best talent to whatever but resume matters

[@garywhite2599]

I mean he’s been in 3 super bowls in 5 years… right now it’s crazy for him to be 2 but he will be there if he keeps it up over his entire career

[@wild_cooks9988]

Nah he needa win like 3 more superbowls and then he’s in the convo. Mahomes don’t wanna be like rodgers and win 1 Super Bowl and none ever again

[@MacNif]

Mahomes isnt top 20 yet

[@pigs6486]

@@wild_cooks9988 If Mahomes wins 3 more super bowls, there is NO "convo"

[@Thechosenskywalker]

@@pigs6486 ofc it would be “no convo” fans are just too quick to overrate the dude so much. Ppl would probably put him number 1 if he wins another one lmao

[@no.5ive340]

I’m a Cowboy fan. Never a Montana or Brady fan. But I give respect to those imo who I watched play and did so at a high level. I don’t go by stats but by how I saw them perform. I’d go Montana as the best QB. No disrespect to the other QB’s.

[@perryharris1647]

Dan and Bart Scott is the equivalent to when Ryan Hollins was speaking on the NBA for ESPN.

[@justindaniels265]

Lmao Dan looks frozen at da beginning 😂😂

[@kobegoodall3444]

Yooo why he look like that 🤣

[@jdoteasy]

Boy had a system failure

[@Alex-sf9bo]

Brady was 4-0 his first 4 superbowls And Montana threw check downs to wide open receivers non3 of Montana’s throws were impressive the 49ers team won those superbowls the worst qb in nfl today makes much better throws than Montana

[@lk5388]

@@Alex-sf9bo you know what makes a good qb? Wins. That is the most important stat. Otherwise, you be a loser like Dan Orlovsky and just check stats without a ring to show for it.

[@Alex-sf9bo]

Brady has a career 98 rating manning has a career 95 rating Payton also has less touchdowns and more interceptions than Brady and Brady has higher completion percentage than manning so how in the world is manning better

[@rellfacts279]

Before Brady, most people would say Peyton Manning, Joe Montana or Dan Marino. I think Dan honestly did this just to drive up First Take ratings’. Elway was always considered the most athletic QB of his time but no one really elevated him over those guys I just mentioned.

[@Alex-sf9bo]

Brady was 4-0 his first 4 superbowls And Montana threw check downs to wide open receivers non3 of Montana’s throws were impressive the 49ers team won those superbowls the worst qb in nfl today makes much better throws than Montana

[@PyroMiniYak]

@@Alex-sf9bo he was 3-2 in his first 5. He won his first 3 but he lost two to the giants in 2007 and 2011

[@00trevanti]

@@Alex-sf9bo u really didn't watch football. Lmao. Montana was Tom Brady before Tom Brady. He's the original. He's never lost a superb owl. Tom has lost several superb owls

[@phothewin6019]

Favre > Marino

[@bighutch2202]

I did, Elway was a straight gamer. Fierce competitor. The run in SB where he gets helicoptered tells so much.

[@chefgromano5025]

Montana played against crazy teams in the nfc especially. Giants Bears Redskins. These teams were loaded.

[@guccimane3731]

Don’t forget the ‘86 Bears. He had to face that D at one point as well and many claim that team was the best D of all time.

[@kaza_family5950]

This is like me having dan orlovsky in my top 5 qb list. And the fact that Noone really argued mahomes at 2 is absolutely crazy. Mahomes is the best qb in the league right now but #2 all time? Cmon

[@3MrNiceGuy15]

It's not like that at all

[@Acepilot12345]

Just love Dan trolling Key hard 😂😂😂

[@justinsmith9014]

In a Superbowl give me either one. I think it's awesome that Tom Brady looked up to Montana. He was in the stands for the catch. Just nothing but love and respect for both of them. I love the respect they give to each other as two of the best to ever do it

[@lovesgod7]

Montana even said that Brady was the GOAT

[@christhecommentator3411]

Montana not only went undefeated in superbowl, he never threw a interception! That is called “Perfection!!” Ladies and gentlemen

[@estebanq.urkelthevxiith8495]

BRUH. ZERO ints with the west coat passing system.

[@CouchCit]

I mean, that's impressive, but it doesn't tell the whole story. That's a stat that looks more impressive the LESS superbowls played.

[@Relax-il7zn]

So all the years he lost before getting to the SB. What are his stats in those? Losing before the SB is more impressive than losing in the SB? Lol... oh my... Idk about some of y'all.

[@austinburwell5834]

@@Relax-il7zn Well it depends the question is who you rather have in the Super Bowl?? So people saying Montana is 4-0 and no picks in the bowl is prevalent to the question.

[@guerin545]

Dude if he went to 10 do you still think he would be percent? 4 vs 10 is a huge difference

[@riverjao]

I’m 38 and I remember watching Joe and Jerry tear it up! And Joe going to KC. Up your game Dan.

[@royhobbs5167]

Key is trying to make the argument Tom's critics are trying to make. 'If you take away half of his Superbowls, half of his yards, half of his touchdowns, and half of his career' then you can begin to compare guys like Montana, Manning, Elway to him. It's HILARIOUS. You don't actually get to isolate sections of Tom's career though. He had a better career than any professional football player in history, and it's not even close.

[@HpArtcraft]

Brady threw for 350 YDS and 3 TD's in his 2nd superbowl in 2003, against a panthers team that scores 29 points. But yeah, let's push that aside because it was the defense.

[@rakheemaesthetic8783]

Their defense was trash and plus they weren't that good smfh the eagles were better

[@TABG239]

Great list

[@kirbyrobinson525]

Brady learned from Montana ..he visualized himself in that situation and did that 👏 ...God bless them both ..just greatness but you never 💯 are better than the master no matter your achievements

[@sobanked-3734]

Funny because Brady is still better lmao

[@ariasflow]

What about Goku? Goku learned from Master Rochy, who’s better tho ?

[@tonymontana-bm2ii]

@Sobanked - but he's not. Today both in their primes I'm taking Montana hands down. Brady needs a full roster behind him to win and the patriots system to win its why he took it to Tampa and why he forced the Jimmy G trade.

[@sobanked-3734]

@@tonymontana-bm2ii everything you said is false omg lmfaoooo

[@tonymontana-bm2ii]

@Sobanked - No? That's why him and Arians got along right because he wanted to run the patriots offense and begged gronk to un retire lol where's the tapes and his cellphone? The deflator was texting him again

[@christopherspellman9163]

I'm just glad to see Dan Marino on the list. Super underrated by people who haven't seen him play.

[@Joseph-be3tv]

Totally agree I'd even have no problem putting him over Elway and Manning

[@MrCopacetic23]

Still my fav QB of all time and I was pup when I watched him.

[@christopherspellman9163]

@@MrCopacetic23 same. he's the reason why 13 is my favorite number

[@seanherring9340]

Facts bro 💯✌️

[@seanherring9340]

@@Joseph-be3tv me too bro but they too busy counting SBs✌️

[@bmorebirdgang1886]

Great list Dan O 👍👍👍. I'd have to put Montana in there over Mahomes right now. It's only been 5 years ..Such a microwave society nowadays

[@supersaiyangodvegeta7270]

I’ll say if mahomes retires today he’d prob be top 10 but definitely not in top 3 or above Montana

[@dodu8281]

he should put montana and drop mahomes. then this would be a good list.

[@supersaiyangodvegeta7270]

@@dodu8281 for sure

[@knowyourenemy50]

lmao at keyshawn saying to "put aside" brady's first 3 super bowls like he was along for the ride. in brady's second super bowl, he threw for 354 yards and 3 TDs, 1 INT, 100.5 passer rating. in this third super bowl, he threw for 236 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT, 123.5 passer rating. for these first three SBs, he was throwing to mid receivers and TEs who were 5'10" tall and never made a pro bowl. keep in mind also, this was a completely different era with different rules that did not favor passing and instead favored pass defense. he had game winning drives in every single super bowl he won except his 7th.

[@TheSmythington]

Dan is making a serious play for that Skip Bayless crown.

[@mikep3455]

Yes he is!!!!!

[@lor-starcutter]

Montana's 1989 season has to be one of the most underrated seasons ever. And I hate the 9ers.

[@ThePatman1980]

Joe Montana is not below John Elway or Dan Marino, two guys he beat in the Super Bowl. Dan is trolling. Warren Moon threw the most beautiful spirals.

[@rhuttner12]

Montana, far and away, had better Rosters than both of those guys.

[@santiagobuenos9673]

@@rhuttner12 And? So has Brady, Elway, and others who have won super bowls It’s a team game but let’s not act like Montana didn’t produce when it mattered

[@worstcaseofcrabsever5510]

100% fax

[@rhuttner12]

@@santiagobuenos9673 With the exception of the first two years of him being on the Bucs and the undefeated season, what stacked team did he have? Other than Gronk, his receivers would’ve been WR3 or benchwarmers anywhere else.

[@eglc4757]

man I wish stephen a was in this segment just for alone to say “THIS IS BLASPHEMOUS!”

[@pops8757]

He may say something tomorrow when he sees this.

[@CouchCit]

Ya gotta take Maholmes off that list bruh. The dude is so young, there's still enough time for him to do a 180 and ruin his career. There's no way you put him above the GOATS already.

[@mikep3455]

LOL at the narrative! Why a 180? Why ruin his career!! You a hater!! 😂😂

[@CouchCit]

@Mike P not at all, I like Mahomes, just saying he's so young there's still so much ball to play, anything can happen with him.

[@tristonboyte2163]

He’s right, u have to take the entirety of their careers. Mahomes simply has to wait before he can be considered one of the greats. Admittedly, barring an absolute disaster he will go down as minimum top 5 all time. But right now… he just hasn’t played enough. If he retired now, he wouldn’t even be in the hall of fame. U can’t seriously think 5 seasons as a starter is enough for mahomes to even be considered top 20, let alone top 5.

[@nategomes1719]

Dans was stun locked the first 10 seconds. 💀 gotta love Dan.

[@Jinz3]

7am in Vegas hits different 🤣

[@zrpggamer]

Mahomes as 2nd is too early, even Nick wright doesn't have him that high

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Exactly!!! 👊👊✊✊👏👏👏

[@aris_mendez]

His Super Bowl numbers are below average. 2TD 4INT 278YPG

[@zrpggamer]

@@aris_mendez No one cares about his SB numbers, he's the best performing playoff QB.

[@Isaiahlovelace]

@@aris_mendez then you look at his playoff stats as a whole. Hes one of the best

[@ammorampage1786]

@@aris_mendez lol he played against number 1 49ers defense then didn’t have no o line and had turf toe

[@Yuri-sd6gm]

I was expecting Carson Wentz in his top 5 all time.

[@westwud8995]

🤣🤣🤣

[@kevonking5469]

I had to go look at Montana highlights and man that guy was something different

[@thegoat164]

Watch Montana Magic Part 1, 2 and 3.

[@yeomane]

lol you need to get your eyes checked. Montana's highlight reel is the most unimpressive of every all-time great

[@clinteastwood6875]

@@yeomane Casual

[@cartezwatson207]

First of all, let's keep in mind that we're talking about DAN ORLOVSKY here. This dude was a career journeyman backup QB whose most notable NFL highlight was running out of the back of the end zone in a game 🙄🙄

[@LembeckIsStaying]

Dan's list is why I don't take goat conversations seriously.

[@deadvibez4978]

Facto, NBA or NFL

[@allenfrazier2890]

Him saying he would take they left hand compared the qbs he played with I was no more good😂😂💀

[@shakiemjeanjoseph428]

Stephen A Smith:How you didn’t see Joe Montana,but you saw Jon Elway? 😂😂😂😂

[@TheJellis]

“You’re going to lose this one buddy!” Ahahahah

[@salvatoresultana4058]

You can’t put Patrick Mahomes on the top 5 of all time if your reason for Joe Montana not being on the list is his career stats aren’t good enough.

[@pridefulwharf58]

If hes the best ever seen yes you can

[@sirhoopalot1125]

Yes huh? 15 will have all the records and about 4-5 sbs. 5 years starting 3 sb appearances, no telling what would’ve happened if Dee Ford never lined up off side.

[@micahkiyimba8641]

Montana played in a different time though. You can't just use stats

[@santiagobuenos9673]

@@micahkiyimba8641 So many low IQ fans don’t get this It’s way easier to get stats when defense can’t touch receivers lmao

[@markusmahadeo1374]

@@pridefulwharf58 then you havent seen alot then

[@CalculatedKrazy]

Dan looked frozen for a sec in the beginning lmao .

[@cjfrm3658]

Dan Is a Idiot

[@juliangrasso1212]

8:40 anyone notice keyshawn start rolling up his sleeves. 😂😂 he really clearly wanted to fight dan right there or take him outside

[@richelieu267]

And Brady played in the era where defenses aren't allowed to do anything

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

Keyshawn counts out the Panthers Super Bowl where he threw for 350+ yards and 3 TD’s. You can’t just remove 3 Super Bowls. Dan is crazy for leaving Montana off the list.

[@Zenigundam]

That Panthers' defense was garbage.

[@tarronirvin4419]

Thank u

[@tarronirvin4419]

@@Zenigundam but they made the Super Bowl

[@Zenigundam]

@@tarronirvin4419 They made it by luck. They played a triple overtime game against the Eagles, I believe, and only won because the Eagles blew every chance they had. Off the top of my head I can only name Julius Peppers and Mike Minter from that defense.

[@unc54]

​@@Zenigundam According to who? It was top 10 in most defensive stats in 2003. Also had stars like Julius Peppers, Mike Rucker, Kris Jenkins, and Dan Morgan.

[@a6i396]

having mahomes at this point of his career at 2 is crazy in my opinion. might be 2 when it’s all said and done, but you never know. montana is top 2.

[@worstcaseofcrabsever5510]

Agreed. Mahomes has won 1 superbowl. Same a Favre. Roger Staubach, John Elway, and Ben Rothlisberger have more rings than Patrick. Can we really say at this point that Mahomes is Better than the Manning Bros? I say no. Not yet anyway.

[@richsport]

They did the same thing with Rodgers, Wilson they started off super hot in they careers and yes great careers never won more then one ring. Yet they numbers put them on any list. Prisoners of the moment and Mahomes been great but let’s see what happens

[@TheJohnmusk]

A great segment. Dan humbling himself is a winning strategy. Joe vs Tom is a tough argument. One had a stud team, the other has a stud coach with longevity. Take your pick, both were great. It's pointless to debate.

[@ShadowWizard224]

My father met Joe Montana while skiing in California and it was after he retired. I wasn’t born yet but he met him and his wife while skiing and my older brother and sister met him as well. I thought that was pretty cool. For as much as we look at these people as super heroes, at the end of the day they really are just regular people like you and me.

[@RayMon504]

Joe Montana did something to Dan's wife. Only logical explanation for this list.

[@GoDawgs809]

It’s also a different era Dan. Stats are padded and the league became a passing league unlike Montana’s time, more of a running league

[@cappedoutgabe7531]

Facts but let’s Also take into account that he benefited from playing in a west coast offense

[@frankiestein78912]

But Marino and Elway played in the same era and both had better stats lol

[@rainman3747]

Montana, Brady, Marino, Maholmes, Moon, Manning, DrewB, Elway, Rodgers, Staubach

[@FloridaGiant305]

I love them, but there’s no way Dan is sober putting Patrick Mahomes on there right now

[@pops8757]

Cant be bro.

[@chrishogue7823]

When you run twenty yards out of bounds without realizing it and it's not the most embarassing thing you've done.

[@marckusduverger9776]

Dan’s face when Damian Woody said “Take out Patrick Mahomes” 🤣😭

[@mjrealism_]

People act like mahomes already won 4 superbowls lol

[@mikejohnson3338]

*Dan's* face froze at *11:28* _Total bewilderment_

[@bifnasty]

Putting Mahomes ahead of Elway, Montana, Marino, Manning…wild.

[@stephonflowers291]

if he wins this superbowl not gone be that crazy more realistic if anything

[@madhavrajesh8812]

For me, if you do the all time rosters of each team (ie the best players to ever play on that team and you only put players on 1 roster), I think Montana would put up the best numbers. He’d have Craig, Rice, TO, John Taylor, Vernon, and Kittle and he elevates his game when it matters the most. Montana probably would win the most MVPs in an all time roster league

[@gottiecapone]

I hear you but tony Gonzales and kelce and all the rbs Kc had priest Marcus Larry shady than all the fastest wr and they have an all time defense pat mahomes numbers would be crazy

[@worstcaseofcrabsever5510]

@@gottiecapone Good point. That's one stacked Roster! Montana throwing to Tyreek Hill seems ridiculous.

[@gottiecapone]

@@worstcaseofcrabsever5510 Montana would be on 49ers all time roster and pat mahomes on chiefs with ty hill maybe I misunderstood what you said I gotta see how many yrs joe played for both

[@brixaabrixaa3390]

@@gottiecapone Deion sanders on 49ers all time. He will catch tyreek

[@gottiecapone]

@@brixaabrixaa3390 you assume hill the #1 option

[@fcc950]

that's insane not having joe there

[@07gregster]

That 89 Denver skunk, Still breaks my heart. Denver got skunked though in all 3 80s SBs.

[@Bearsbeets.battlestargalactica]

Brady, Montana, Peyton, Elway, Marino, Rodgers, drew Brees then maybe Patrick but even then. He’s too early in his career. He’s got 10 more years to be higher on the list as great as he’s been

[@jdoteasy]

0:13 somebody put another quarter in the orlavsky please😭🤣

[@Joseph-be3tv]

Dan Marino has to be pretty high in best regular season quarterbacks ever

[@worstcaseofcrabsever5510]

Yea there are a lot of those. ---Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Jim Everett, Vinny Testeverde, Ron Jaworski, Bernie Kosar

[@Joseph-be3tv]

@@worstcaseofcrabsever5510 none of them in Marino's League. Your joking with testaverde right?

[@phothewin6019]

1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Peyton 4. Rodgers 5. Favre

[@Mark-xl1ze]

Let's give some love to Otto Graham, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Johnny Unitas and Terry Bradshaw......

[@ronpatnode8297]

Have we all forgotten favre, most exciting qb of them all

[@ianreed9571]

As a reminder, the great Cleveland Brown QB Otto Graham led them to 10 consecutive Championship games(today's Super Bowls) and won 7 of them!

[@supersaiyangodvegeta7270]

lol yeah but he’s not top 5 dude player in the 30s

[@ianreed9571]

@@supersaiyangodvegeta7270 I think it's funny that they are only naming players that only has played in the last 30 years. Players of their memories, not players beyond that.😅

[@supersaiyangodvegeta7270]

@@ianreed9571 well those are the top 5 qbs all time and Otto graham is not 5 all time he’s top 10 at best.

[@jjjamez8229]

How many teams

[@HiNRGboy]

@@ianreed9571 yeah that's why Orlovsky is cringe af

[@mr.castle]

Keyshawn needs to watch that Brady's 2nd SB game again. 🤣

[@feelme5297]

My top 5 all Time Q’s 1. Tom brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Peyton manning 4. Aaron rodgers 5. John elway

[@philmalavarca9489]

My top five QBs of all time. 1. Tom Brady 2. Peyton Manning 3. Joe Montana 4. Drew Brees 5. Aaron Rodgers Those are my top five. Rounding out my top ten are Dan Marino, John Elway, Roger Staubach, Brett Favre, Steve Young.

[@Monkey_D_Cluffy]

I can’t believe Dan said Marino and Elway over Cool Joe Montana. Dan must be on molly from the night before lol

[@I_need_an_oil_change]

Dude! Marino was head and shoulders better then those two. Let’s hope u don’t vote or ever sit on a jury.

[@tristonboyte2163]

@@I_need_an_oil_change u can say Marino was better than both of them(I’m a huge Marino fan), but don’t act like Montana wasn’t considered the best before Brady… Ur the one with the hot take, not him

[@I_need_an_oil_change]

@@tristonboyte2163 Ask any cornerback who was better. I’m not saying Montana was bad. He was really good. Marino just was unreal.

[@dashways1006]

4-0 in the Superbowl 3 MVPs! Proven winner in his on right!! Joe Montana the goat before the Goat!!!!

[@Paris-dz6mk]

I’m LMAOO frfr! “Get’‘em woody” I’m crying frfr!

[@TheSuperkeithg]

Cmon i was born in 1999 and still know Joe is consensus top 3😭😭

[@dougjang3157]

Dan, keyshaun is always wrong 😂😂😂 but this time you gave him a non-losing debate. Montana should be 2nd

[@InvisoBill]

Literally that’s my face every time Dan says anything.

[@purplestuffs5237]

😂😂😂😂

[@MistaAmazin]

Exactly he's a clown frfr 🤡

[@AustinClark1996]

Dan being shocked that Woody & Key would consider taking out Mahomes is what shocked ME. Patrick’s got a LONG way to go before I ever consider putting him the Top 5 all-time. It shouldn’t be a shock that someone wouldn’t put him in the Top 5. He hasn’t played long enough.

[@alexanderb4165]

So Brady laps Montana in every conceivable way, but sure go with Joe 🤣😂 BRADY FOREVER!!! 💯🔥♾🐐 Mic drop shout out to Dan with the interesting stats in the 3 Super Bowl losses by Brady. Man how quickly people forget! TB12... NEVER AGAIN....NOT LIKE HIM ♾🐐

[@corbinhansen4183]

Joe Montana had a complete team aswell. His defense actually showed up to play in the superbowls and they were top 8. The Patriots were 14 point underdogs and Tom Brady goes and puts them into field position against the greatest show on turf

[@randolphduke]

That's right. Those Niners teams were stacked!

[@kobethegreatestlaker5324]

Your acting like Brady elevated that team that was bill I don’t remember Brady scoring a td in that game

[@corbinhansen4183]

@@kobethegreatestlaker5324 So why doesn't bill elevate his team now or before Tom Brady??? And Tom had one touchdown in that game. Tom did elevate his teammates no questions asked. Did you see the receiver group that Tom won against the rams?? It's absurd. That offense had no business being top ten or in the superbowl. But they did both.

[@brandone.5106]

Tom won in three different eras of football.

[@MrBstacks100]

Cheated in two

[@gustavofring3899]

@@MrBstacks100 oh it’s a chiefs fan… so sad Tom isn’t around to end y’all again

[@MrBstacks100]

@@gustavofring3899 So sad.

[@gustavofring3899]

@@MrBstacks100 y’all are pumping your chests an awful lot. How’s it gonna feel when you guys lose?

[@MrBstacks100]

@@gustavofring3899 Tune in.

[@deroulet1]

“Your gonna lose this one buddy” 😂😂

[@claytonacuff2932]

The problem is I don't value you yards to meaning that much cause there are defense that have the bend but don't break philosophy

[@dannyhantx]

Did Keyshawn forget that Montana's 1st win vs the Bengals he threw for 145 yards and 1 TD? Why does he discredit Brady's 1st 3 while giving Montana credit for that one while Brady threw for 350 yards and 3 TDs and 240 yards and 2 TDs in his 2nd and 3rd wins?

[@daverubin6031]

WHY TOM BRADY TB12 IS THE GOAT/BOAT OF ALL TIME! - EPISODE V Let's talk TB12 GOAT/BOAT vs Montana (Not counting the LAST 2 SEASONS with the BUCS!!)! Brady led the NFL in TD passes in his first full season as a starter In Tom Brady's 18 seasons as the starting quarterback for the Patriots, the Patriots had an average scoring offense ranking of 4.83 and an average scoring defense ranking of 7.11. the offense ranked in the top 10 in scoring 17 out of 18 times and the defense ranked in the top 10 in scoring 15 out of 18 times. The scoring offense had a better ranking than the scoring defense in 11 seasons and the scoring defense had a better ranking than the scoring offense in 6 seasons. On average, the offense was better than the defense in scoring. In Tom Brady's 18 seasons as the starting quarterback for the Patriots, the Patriots had an average yards offense ranking of 8.11 and an average yards defense ranking of 16.56. the offense ranked in the top 10 in yards 12 out of 18 times and the defense ranked in the top 10 in yards 7 out of 18 times. The yards offense had a better ranking than the yards defense in 15 seasons and the yards defense had a better ranking than the yards offense in 3 seasons. On average, the offense was better than the defense in yards. In Tom Brady's 18 seasons as the starting quarterback for the Patriots, the Patriots had an average efficiency offense ranking of 4.94 and an average efficiency defense ranking of 15.28. the offense ranked in the top 10 in efficiency 15 out of 18 times and the defense ranked in the top 10 in efficiency 5 out of 18 times. The efficiency offense had a better ranking than the efficiency defense in 16 seasons and the efficiency defense had a better ranking than the efficiency offense in 2 seasons. On average, the offense was better than the defense in efficiency. Joe Montana's defense allowed 15.8 PPG in his 4 Super Bowls never giving up more than 21 points. Tom Brady's defense allowed 19.0 PPG in his 10 Super Bowls (18.4 PPG in his 7 Super Bowl victories) giving up more than 21 points 5 times.Thats an average of 3.2 fewer PPG allowed by Montana's defense in Super Bowls. Joe Montana has never led the league in passing yards. Tom Brady has led the league in passing yards 4 times. Joe Montana has led the league in passing touchdowns twice. Tom Brady has led the league in passing touchdowns 4 times (most in NFL history). Without Joe Montana, the San Francisco 49ers have a record of 44-32-1 (57.1%) between 1979-1992. Without Tom Brady, the New England Patriots have a record of 18-19 (48.6%) between 2000-2019. Even if you exclude the seasons before they became their team's primary starter (for whatever reason), the 49ers have a record of 42-18-1 (68.9%) without Joe Montana while the Patriots have a record of 15-9 (60.0%) without Tom Brady. Joe Montana's largest playoff loss was by 46 points (49-3). Tom Brady's largest playoff loss was by 19 points (33-14) During Joe Montana's playing career (1979-1994), there were 23 instances of quarterbacks throwing for 4,000+ yards in a season. Joe Montana threw for 4,000+ yards 0 times. During Tom Brady's playing career (2000-2020), there were 11 instances of quarterbacks throwing for 5,000+ yards in a season. Tom Brady has thrown for the 3rd most yards in a single season in NFL history with 5,235 passing yards Joe Montana has 2 playoff games in which his team didn't score a single touchdown. Brady has never been in a playoff game in which his team failed to score a touchdown The year Joe Montana threw 22 touchdown passes to Jerry Rice, he only threw 9 touchdown passes to the rest of his team. The year Tom Brady threw 23 touchdown passes to Randy Moss, he also threw 27 touchdown passes to the rest of his team Joe Montana has won 71.3% (117-47) of his regular season games. Tom Brady has won 76.8% (230-69) of his regular season games Joe Montana has won 69.6% (16-7) of his playoff games. Tom Brady has won 75.6% (34-11) of his playoff games Joe Montana is a 2 time NFL MVP. Tom Brady is a 3 time NFL MVP (first unanimous MVP in history) Joe Montana is a 3 time Super Bowl MVP. Tom Brady is a 5 time Super Bowl MVP (record) Joe Montana is an 8 time Pro Bowler. Tom Brady is a 14 time Pro Bowler (tied for the record) Joe Montana is a 13 time offensive player of the week winner. Tom Brady is a 31 time offensive player of the week winner (record) Joe Montana never won a comeback player of the year award. Tom Brady did win a comeback player of the year award Joe Montana has 2 seasons with losing records. Tom Brady has 0 seasons with losing records Joe Montana was 0-3 in playoff games when his team gave up 28+ points. Tom Brady is 6-5 in playoff games when his team gives up 28+ points Joe Montana went one and done in the playoffs 4 times in his 11 playoff appearances. Tom Brady went one and done 3 times in his 18 playoff appearances The 49ers posted 6 STRAIGHT seasons winning 10+ games (1993-1998) and won a Super Bowl when Joe Montana left. The Patriots went 7-9 the very next season after going 12-4 the year before when Tom Brady left Tom Brady best TD to INT ratio for a single season - 14/1 if your argument is that its harder to win or be great in NBA then log off. Brady played in snow storms, freezing temps. He's played with a broken finger and dislocated shoulder. Brees played with broken ribs and look how the saints looked with that ONE GUY not at 100%. There's levels to this. Brady is the most renowned QB to do more with less at the receiver position. Making no name receivers look like superstars. You have 4 chances to beat Jordan in the playoffs. You only have one chance in the NFL. The QB is the captain of the ship and Brady turned a losing franchise into a champion in one year without training camp. Tom Brady is the GOAT of all sports. He is a unicorn. Not only is he great but greatness follows him. He is the apex of the Mathew principal in professional sports.

[@chefgromano5025]

Montana also had a rushing td. 14-22 145 yards no turnovers and 2 tds.

[@thegoat164]

Wrong! Brady in SB 36 had ONE TD pass and threw for 145 yards. Brady had ONE TD pass in the 2001 playoffs, that's it.

[@moppy5]

Different era. Anyone that thinks Joe Montana isn’t top 5 all time is either an idiot or trolling.

[@frankfulco5511]

Logic like this is why he was 0-16 and a perennial back up. Having Brady at 1 is obvious but Montana at 2 is also obvious

[@looechange7966]

Yes you can push those first three to the side. For perspective during a year in those first three super bowls Tom Brady threw for 2400 2800 + 3,200 yards. He was a game manager

[@joeyzapata6786]

I'm pretty sure I'm a year older than Dan and I remember the back to back SB wins the Niners had over the Bengals and Broncos.

[@MeloMVP100]

1. Tom Brady 2. Payton manning 3. Joe Montana 4. Aaron Rodgers 5. Johnny Unitas Hm - Dan Morino , drew Brees

[@TheBlackestKnight21]

If Rodgers is there I have mahomes over him. Yes already. Mahomes has been insanely better than him through the first 5 years and is already going to his 3rd super bowl and about to win his 2nd MVP when he should be on his 3rd. He already is a top 5 playoff QB of all time and rodgers isn’t , Rodgers used to be my fav QB ever but once i analyzed history and such i’ve had to knock him down a peg. Not arguing with you just giving my opinion !!!!!!! 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿

[@MeloMVP100]

@@TheBlackestKnight21 Mahomes will pass him no doubt. Mahomes has potential to retire the goat. But longevity counts.

[@micahkiyimba8641]

Nah... Brady, Montana........GAP.......Manning, Elway,Rodgers. That's the 5. Mahomes has a case for 5 if he wins this SB

[@TheBlackestKnight21]

@@micahkiyimba8641 that’s my point, you talking about “if he wins the super bowl.” Brady has 2-3 superbowls where he wasn’t the reason they won and he wasn’t MVP yet it’s always thrown out the window talking about his legacy.

[@TheBlackestKnight21]

@@micahkiyimba8641 Greatness and Best are 2 different things. Dif era of football too, No NFL gm today is taking Montana over Mahomes my guy. Mahomes talent wise is right with Rodgers and Marino as THE BEST EVER. And his resume thru 5 years is the greatest of all time, look at joe montana thru this point and mahomes through this point it’s literally laughable

[@xxxsandman]

🗝️has a point about the first three rings for brady.he could have also brought up the first one,and how they got in it from the "snow'. But Brady has also greatly benefited from rule changes, which impacted his availability and longevity

[@rhuttner12]

That’s such a dumb argument. Why is it that argument is ALWAYS used against Brady, but, not everyone else. Didn’t Manning benefit? Rodgers? Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Brees? Y’all act like it only benefitted Brady.

[@the54th34]

@@rhuttner12 It is brought used against the other QBs you listed buts more so used for Brady cuz he and Montana been in the goat debate for years. No many people are calling the other QBs you named the goat

[@kingfulness]

@@the54th34 do you look at the comments these people are flinching in their chair ready to call mahomes the goat or already top 5

[@HpArtcraft]

Brady threw for 350 YDS and 3 TD's in his 2nd superbowl in 2003, against a panthers team that scores 29 points. But yeah, let's push that aside because it was the defense.

[@jasonmartinez2730]

Even if you accept Key's argument, he still has just as many wins as Montana in the SB, countless winning/comeback drives, and only three losses in his 10 appearances. Mind you, this is a sport where you need talent on both ends of the team. It is going to be significantly harder to repeat SB wins, as we have seen with Patrick Mahomes clearly being better than any other QB in the game right now and not making it to the SB last season. At the end of the day, Tom Brady has the wins and that's what matters, even to the players.

[@Maleek_Bae]

Montana outplayed Elway and Marino head to in Super Bowls in blowout fashion. Montana played in a tougher conference which had better defenses. The NFC won almost every Super Bowl in the 80s.

[@Ahsannn]

Orlovsky made a blunder by not having Montana in the Top 5, but wasn't Joe Namath was the original "Cool" instead of Montana ???