Etali vs Chulane vs Trostani vs Marchesa EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

[@fel_95]

Players: "Chulane" other players: "It's pronounced Chulane" Marry: CHUCK

[@Leivve]

Welsh: "It's pronounced Hull-en"

[@AndrewLawton16]

I'm 110% behind the Chuck decision

[@SilHbs]

Most annoying discussion on magic, pronunciation of chulane 😒

[@jeffholmes1478]

I'm calling him Chuck from now on.

[@andyspendlove1019]

It's just "choo-LANE" right?? How hard is that??

[@joshyoung2755]

5:50 he shouldn't have been able to return the jeskai barricade since it says another creature you control but great game. Love the Etali deck

[@8000kyle]

Hellkite Charger is a triggered not an activated so it actually by passes the totem.

[@flyingturtle140]

"People don't tend to play bad cards" My Unesh fact or fiction tribal deck: Are you challenging me?

[@tmakalpha1]

The card selection is just insane if you can keep Unesh on the board. My Unesh is terrible too, but it's hilarious to just play bad Sphinxes just for the mini FoF

[@rkbmcb]

World at War works perfectly well, regardless of whether it was cast in the pre-combat main phase, the first post-combat main phase, or during your upkeep due to Rebound. It will not work if you cast a second copy during your second post-combat main phase. Savage Beating, on the other hand, may only be cast in combat.

[@MTGMuddstah]

rkbmcb1517 oh good to know! We found the wording a bit unclear.

[@MasterDecoy1W]

@@MTGMuddstah Also, Hellkite charger is a triggered ability with a cost, not an activated ability, Cursed Totem should have no effect on it.

[@QDurlstonP]

World at War does not need to be cast in your first main phase. So long as you don't resolve it before the 2nd main phase is over, it still successfully resolves and acts to its full potential. The clause saying 'first postcombat phase' was added to the card not to restrict playing the spell before combat, but to avoid people casting a copy of this spell each additional main phase, netting infinite combat steps. To quote its own Rulings, "As long as World at War resolves before the first postcombat main phase of a turn ends, it will have its full effect."

[@MTGMuddstah]

Quinn DP oh I see! Ya, the wording was a bit awkward

[@ryanfuller434]

You make Monday and Thursdays so much better! Thanks for the content!

[@AndrewLawton16]

Here I am playing the 'what if' game thinking of what would happen if the Chuck player actually hit his Chromatic Lantern

[@SilHbs]

FINALLY a Marchesa steal creatures themed in KZbin! Finally!! Hope to see it more times here!

[@CMAzeriah]

Censor that! CENSOR THAT! NO JUST CANCEL HIIIIIIIIIM!

[@RogueJuanGaming015]

We need more awesome contents like these during quarantine! Fistbump from 🇵🇭

[@sethbrock5993]

I had an Etali deck built for so long, but mine played with more big dumb creatures (like Blightsteel Colossus and the Eldrazi) and oh boy was it fun to flip into one of those when I also had a haste enabler and an extra combat step card. Problem was I more often than not flipped into lands which eventually led me to take her apart and build Xenagos (but our lovely red stompy friend is in there).

[@jordanwolfe607]

Xenagod is one of my favorite decks. You hit a point where you're top decking and just dropping hasty bombs over and over. Game ends pretty quickly one way or another.

[@ivorymantis1026]

That early bloodmoon basically called the game. This still surprises me when it comes to two-color decks. You really don't need as much mana fixing... at all... with two-color decks compared to a three or four-color deck. You can have lots of basics and do really, really well.

[@giannivood1043]

Glad to see someone finally pronouncing Marchesa in the right way

[@EDHNeoRoyal]

This game is givin me flashback of the etali deck in out playgroup. Very similar list :P The chulane deck is interesting, it's not all mana dorks to combo out!

[@dennard93]

So much misplay going on at Sam's turn on 13:22 Savage Beating has to be cast during combat Hellkite Charger's Ability is a triggered ability, not activated.

[@P4CCHU]

That is actually just one misplay and one misunderstood

[@Schieddog]

Chulane seems like such a value deck. I had Roon before, but it was too slow. Thanks for another awesome video!

[@DissectingTitanic]

Chulane is mega value. It’s crazy.

[@jirdir9025]

did get to see much of it by my friend runs a chulane deck and he can draw his entire deck out with dropping shrieking drake into multipule on cast draw triggers and playing multipule lands a turn...its pretty dope

[@garethsentry]

It is my current favourite of all my decks

[@AlchemicalLove]

Shame we didn't get to see Marchesa do to much, I totally agree with you Muddstah she is the most fun Grixsis commander with a lot of silly tech. I hope to see her again some time.

[@lushG678]

please can you ask sam where he got his playmat from thanks

[@Viralsiren]

At 5:50, jeskai barricade returns itself to matty’s hand thanks to its etb ability. HOWEVER, the barricade says “...you may return *ANOTHER* target creature you control...” Shouldnt this mean that the barricade cant target itself? I have a self-bounce deck with barricade in it (the commander is God-eternal oketra), and i’ve always played with it as if it cant target itself. If it CAN, this is huge news for me, since this basically means its a better Kor Skyfisher (which is worded in a way that allows it to return itself to hand) since it has flash. Could anyone confirm this for me? Can jeskai barricade return itself to hand?

[@adams333]

jeskai barricade CANNOT return itself to hand, that was a misplay. This card is usually not played in Chulane.

[@Nailgraizer]

Etali, so fast, so furious.

[@exaroc571]

best etali game ive seen! love the use of so many additional combat cards!

[@Leivve]

Works great in Kroxa as well. Since Kroxa triggers on attack as well. Great way to keep your opponents in a state of top decking.

[@MasterDecoy1W]

I guess the other Etali games you watch have even _more_ misplays? Perhaps blatant cheating?

[@lloydhughes4439]

Where and how do I get Sam's playmat please and thank you?

[@sebastianahrens2385]

Why did Temple of Mystery come in untapped at 10:35? Edit: NVM, forgot about Blood Moon.

[@jmobley6]

Is Eric's Trostani actually a Mucha painting?? If so it's gorgeous!

[@crovax1375]

I love Price of Glory! It really messes with opponent's interactions. And I'll have you know that I play only bad cards in my decks to stop theft strategies

[@Palace_Gaming]

That’s a really stupid reason to not run decent/ good cards

[@crovax1375]

@@Palace_Gaming no it's not, playing individually bad cards that have specific deck synergies is a good way to counter theft decks. It's very similar to your tactic of leaving dumb replies to year old comments to avoid positive feedback

[@nomadichero12]

Hellkite charger's ability is a triggered ability on his attack not and an activated ability.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Yeah, it's like Inalla (thank gawd on that one, my friend runs battlebond Will and Rowan)

[@faerie7dragon]

Blood Moon is just brutal, but fair given it was a mono red deck, it's like using grafted exoskeleton in mono white.

[@suna7511]

This was a very tame episode

[@Red_Male]

I don't see another creature on Sam's board at 12:06, so he shouldn't have been able to equip the Darksteel Plate on Etali since Etali had shroud, and he had no other creature to move the greaves to.

[@MTGMuddstah]

He had the Bloodsworn Steward.

[@orsettomorbido]

Yeeeeessss, Etaliii!

[@TripleGMS]

Any chance in getting the Trostani and Marchesa deck lists? Reevaluating my current Selesnya and Grixis decks and would like to take a closer look at these lists. @MTGMuddstah

[@jonathandoherty9082]

Etali is best boi. Can't wait to see how Primal Conquer plays

[@czechduelcommanderleague]

2:32 BLOOD MOON Guys! :-D Let´s the FUN beggin :))))

[@Jenkstudio97]

Yay Queen Marchesa wizard tribal, kinda. I love it, that's how I made mine instead of adeliz

[@LeojPies]

Brave move with Etali on the field and people using 1 of 2 sleeve colors. Hope everyone remembered which permanents were theirs at the end of the game.

[@reyavispa1472]

Mono Red has never been this spicy

[@mileenan.2968]

Can he equip the plate while Etali has shroud???

[@admanios]

You can't name Chulane "Chuck"! You'll make Bloodshot Cyclops cry.

[@ChrisLovesYahweh]

Why is the ascension player attacking with no blockers up...

[@d9_1056]

RUN removal, and quit running so many damn colorless utility lands. Especially in 3 color decks.

[@cassiew866]

@mtgmuddstah thanks!

[@jimg4585]

Muddy, I really enjoy your content. Can you please explain why you reveal 7 cards when showing the commanders before each video? Marchesa kept 3 basic lands...what's that about sir?

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Those are their opening hands...

[@jimg4585]

Mr_Dragon well I feel dumb now. Thanks

[@becklarson8767]

Matty couldn't have resolved the Jeskai barrier the way he did, the text reads "you MAY return ANOTHER creature..." the wording is important and he could have resolved the cast but, not the bounce trigger.

[@becklarson8767]

Haha it's funny that you don't recognize me as the generic goblin noise guy XD, I changed my pfp.

[@yonsa8951]

Pls vorel again Ps:great gameplay!!! Youre a machine!!!!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Jeskai Barricade can't return itself with its own ability; it says "ANOTHER target creature you control."

[@AlsonamedDennis]

Mono-red deck taps Fae-Burrow Elder for FIVE!?!

[@ErikTheRedd1]

That's etali for ya

[@piranha9411]

Are these prerecorded?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Yes

[@piranha9411]

@@MTGMuddstah alright. It would have been great if you had enough people for normal not recprded games.

[@robertbolea2308]

Shouldn't the jeskai barricade stayed on the battlefield when it should have bounced another creature Matty controlled.

[@turnaround8834]

gief Trostani decklist plx! great vid btw!

[@Matteo_the_Plague_Doctor]

I had an Etali deck that had all these extra combat cards in it, and it was so janky. I couldn't ever get it to fire correctly so I recently switched it over to the new Purphoros. I haven't gotten to play it because Corona Virus shut down all the card shops. But man I wish my Etali deck fired like this one would have, I wouldn't have demoted Etali to the 99 if it had.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

I know that feel. I had been looking forward to building a locust god deck for SO LONG but when I finally got to play it, it basically became "how many times can you recast locust god before you die having not summoned more than 5 locusts?"

[@hiddenleaf414]

Jeskai Barricade can only return another creature you control, not itself.

[@robertmitchell8052]

Sam - might I suggest Dragon Breath for your Etali deck? Perfect for it.

[@TheGennaroManeuver]

Yikes, people need to run efficient removal. The argument is often that efficient, single-target removal is card disadvantage versus running board wipes. But if it stops you from dying then... All three of those decks should have had efficient answers to Etali, and the two green/white decks should have had efficient answers to Blood moon. Instead they just got dumpstered. I know people don't find those kinds of cards fun or exciting to play, but this was really a non-game because of it.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Yeah, I've blind-sided and been side-blinded by too many "inefficient" cards by now to make that argument while building my decks. If it works, it works (except 7+ mana non-recurable/cheatable targeted removal like scour from existence, that's where I draw the line hahaha)

[@garethsentry]

Game Knights recommend like 9 single target removal in your deck and 3 board wipes

[@Fireblade417]

It's almost like Druid's Deliverance does something besides Populate...

[@NMS127]

It prevents combat damage that would be dealt to you.

[@marceloquejinho]

Blood Moon OP

[@jakebassett1928]

I run an Etali, Primal Storm artifact deck that absolutely destroys

[@Kazz1187]

ah yes, price of glory so good!

[@miyokohirosuke9164]

Why do these people not want to show their deck lists?

[@Quroe_]

If something is 'all but $thing,' is it that thing?

[@kickinwang1817]

Watcher for tomorrow enters the battlefield tapped Edit: just heard the correction

[@pennastar]

Kickin Wang actually he untapped all of his creatures but originally the creature should of entered tapped

[@MrAvgD]

So many missed opportunities to add Mountain to all the names of the non-basic lands

[@germanyjones2700]

Nom nom nom

[@sefilontheultamitetimelord7874]

Can the next video have a Jodah, Archmage Eternal deck please?

[@CGreyL3]

The "CH" is soft in Marchesa

[@BrutalDavy]

No he pronounced It correctly.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

@@BrutalDavy no u

[@TxarlesN]

Fourth, I think. Thanks for all the job

[@Googleflax]

lol you guys want to make Trostani work

[@zachkaigler6569]

Really really terrible threat assessment this game. All three of the non Etali players were squabbling between themselves for god knows what reason as Etali continually beat down on them, stole their spells, and locked up their boardstate. I could see the end coming from turn 3-4 and yet these other guys are still threatening each other like “if you swing at me I’ll retaliate!!” All three of them deserved to lose.

[@Leivve]

At that point it was a battle for second.

[@RomanNumerDos]

@@Leivve not really. Eric could have hit Sam for 12 instead of hitting Aiden.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

We just got casuallycompetitive to stop calling him "Hullen" and here comes Muddstah calling him Chuck lol

[@stevenlorenzo6540]

I feel when you play an Etali deck there’s a 0% chance you will get all your cards back at the end of the game.

[@spencersonnier1]

He looks like a Chuck. But can you believe there are some absolute mad lads in this world that look at the name “Chulane” and pronounce it “Cullen”? Wild times we live in.

[@Zaros2400]

Welsh name, that's why. It's an interesting language.

[@alemorikec]

I call him Chew-lane.

[@Darchias]

Jeskai Barricade can't return itself, and Cursed Totem doesn't stop Hellkite Charger's triggered ability

[@ryanjohnstone9097]

6:33 Eric shouldn't have been able to cycle his Scattered Groves with Blood Moon active, as all nonbasics lose their other abilities and are only able to tap to add a Red Mana.

[@apophis456]

Are these pre recorded? Because y’all should probably be switching to online magic for everyone’s safety for a while

[@MTGMuddstah]

apophis456 I haven’t filmed in at a shop since March 2nd. These are all older games from my backlog of 300+

[@apophis456]

MTG Muddstah gotcha, I wouldn’t know so figure I’d say something. Hope y’all are all safe in these crazy times

[@aidennoir597]

Man I kinda want to take a super powerful commander like Urza or Prossh and fill the deck with nothing but horrible cards, and then being out the deck against people playing Etali or clone decks or the like. I wouldn't win, but I would laugh.

[@patrickschmidt6140]

Why on Earth is Chulane Chuck? Asking for a friend ;)

[@MTGMuddstah]

Patrick Schmidt because many people were correcting me. I changed to how they wanted and then others said that was wrong too. Now I say Chuck so I’m wrong on my own terms 😉

[@enoeht]

Holy crap all the misplays from Sam on Etali, that's mildly tilting. I also feel like if Eric deployed Trostani earlier he could have padded his life total a bit more, but hindsight is 20/20.

[@thorpate1698]

These are the people I can't stand playing with !!!! Like how Sam asked his opponent to change targets on the deputy would make me so upset. Yes the bloodmoon was a target and a problem, but the damn rampaging dinosaur was definitely the bigger threat. I wouldn't play with guys like Sam, clearly your the archenemy of the table but complaining about people's targeting while ripping their spells off of the top of their deck. Poor winner and like you said , the misplays were jarring

[@MTGMuddstah]

Thor Pate Matty asked Sam to change targets. Sam said it was fine.

[@BaikenAndEggs]

@@thorpate1698 EDH/Commander has politics integrated into the format. Asking someone to change targets is a valid action (+ the other player accepted). If this irritates you, I advise you to play another format like Canadian Highlander.

[@mattshuey1]

@@BaikenAndEggs EDH is still a game of magic, once you've targeted something, it is the target.

[@thorpate1698]

The point is EDH is a game where the playgroup can change simply by saying thanks for the game I'm going to try another pod. I imagine after a 3 person simalscoop , a majority of the table did not leave with a fun play experience. Dispite the politics aspect of Edh, doesn't break down how magic is played. I personally dispise take backs and do overs in commander. The point being the millions of different card interactions and possible different ways to interact, do overs slow the game down and cause long slow and boring game nights of magic. Cannot tell you how many times in Edh , I've targeted something dumb or made play mistakes and said "well darn, I screwed up, I pass the turn " laughing at my misfortune. Gameplay mistakes are teaching lessons to be a better magic player, but just doing redos in every game negate that opportunity for growth.

[@fireicelightarrows]

The only true Chuck is Bloodshot Cyclops

[@justinnguyen5000]

I don't believe grasslands tap for mana at all

[@LatinoJackson]

Hideaway permanents enter the battlefield tapped....reading the cards, explains the cards

[@fiendbear4417]

Matty definitely got unnecessarily blown out by that Druid’s Deliverance, as the hippo shouldn’t have been able to kill the Lotus Cobra due to all combat damage being fogged.

[@juanbelio2057]

I thought so too, but Druid's Deliverance only prevents combat damage dealt to you, so the hippo does kill the cobra

[@frankschirmer9464]

Druid's Deliverance is a 'you' fog, not a full combat fog.

[@bigman1356]

Never get to do this but First

[@TheQueerLeaf]

Leonard Morris awesome

[@andrewfugle1037]

Shows why I hate etali as a commander. Fine in the 99, Etali usually ends in unfun games, as someone else ends up playing your deck for you while you slowly die.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

It's pretty fun for the Etali player, though!

[@tfdrago]

Poor Etali hardly stays alive in decent games, it's just a pubstomber at most. Those guys were terrible xD

[@Devin-oh7gr]

They could have chosen to remove the etali, what do you expect when you just let someone swing a billion times with their on attack trigger commander?

[@DarkEinherjar]

It's a 6 CMC commander that needs to attack to do its thing. The table has a full rotation to deal with it, provided they keep the haste enablers off the board.

[@garethsentry]

Single target removal guys

[@kapmasta]

just incase if you’re not sure it’s pronounced hullen, but im down with chuck if you did know and your just being funny lmao

[@LS-nn9jt]

A number lol

[@SuperCred1t]

I hated this. And super focusing to take Matty out quick that was shitty he had nothing going on. Plus sam getting away with stuff.

[@ThePhase1985]

First!

[@dumjid9869]

3rd

[@ajheath6116]

Third

[@paodequeijo7231]

Etali is so boring. I would defintely focus the crap out of Etali if I ever saw one

[@RomanNumerDos]

I don't understand how you can consider Etali boring.

[@fiarusgaming3420]

These 15 minute matches aren't very entraining. Play a bunch so you can at least get a 30 minute game.

[@MTGMuddstah]

This was an hour and a half before it was edited down.

[@mattshuey1]

these games have been pretty bad from a multitude of perspectives for what seems like weeks now. I know you want to upload frequently but you really shouldn't be uploading games like this just to keep your schedule. Its embarrassing.

[@MTGMuddstah]

mattshuey1 other than threat assessment in some, what are some other issues you’ve found?

[@mattshuey1]

@@MTGMuddstah play mistakes showing up frequently. Overall I love your content, its leaps and bounds the best there is for EDH. I'm not trying to be critical just to be critical. I know you are capable of the standards people have come to expect from you. For this vid specifically, watching someone play solitaire as I can visually pinpoint when other players mentally check out is unappealing to watch. That is just how the Etali deck operated so you can't fix it, but it doesn't make for enjoyable viewing. I still love the channel and watch religiously so take it all with a grain of salt.

[@MTGMuddstah]

mattshuey1 I appreciate your reply. It’s refreshing to see a well-thought out reply instead of the usual “just do better”. I agree that in some cases games can be very... lopsided? It’s a tough balance for me because in some cases I have people who come out specifically to play and are excited when they win. I try to post what I can of those, but I do curate a lot of my games. I have a good number of games that just have one person dumpstering the whole table, with nothing but stax or an incredibly strong start.

[@AndrewLawton16]

@@mattshuey1 I find games like these to be valuable, even if they're not the most engaging. This is a very honest game of commander. There were a few misplays and one person did their thing before anyone else could and it won them the game. This is what commander looks like at my table. Not showing 'bad' games gives people the impression that their decks should run a certain way. Sometimes you get hosed on mana. Sometimes you have to make calls that end up in retrospect lose you the game. This video illustrates why you don't attack with your mana dork. Shows why you have to run enchantment removal. Shows why sometimes you gotta politic and make deals at the table. Not every game has to be an a spell slinging battle on the stack with Forces and Pact of Negation. All in all I think this was a good game.

[@garethsentry]

@@AndrewLawton16 agreed

[@FacGame2501]

I truly hate when player uses different color sleeves ot toploaders for their commanders. It should be sleeved like the deck.

[@sethbrock5993]

Eh, I do it because the amount of times I grab my commander and shuffle it into my deck after finishing a game is a lot. A different sleeve allows me to grab it out easily

[@AndrewLawton16]

Why?

[@victoralencar7150]

It should be sleeved the way the deck owner wants, because it's their decks, not yours.

[@jakebassett1928]

Ha. "HoLd On, gUyS. i ShUfFlEd My CoMmAnDeR iNtO mY dEcK aNd CaN't FiNd HiM'