Eternal | THE LAST HAMMER & BOLTER!? | Old Hammer & Bolter Breakdown | Episode 15

[@kyuubimadara]

Lucius getting killed by a Necron only for that Necron to get corrupted because something in its machinery can be interpreted as "pride" was really pushing it though.

[@heitorpedrodegodoi5646]

Worse, Necrons dont have even souls.

[@nothuman3083]

Lock him in sensory deprivation chamber with a vile of poison. Drop the box in the void he is neither alive nor dead until that box is open.

[@samiamtheman7379]

I mean, they had him get revived through a factory worker who made a landmine he stepped on because he took pride in the creation of the landmine, likely not even knowing who it might be used on even existed. I think there was even one time that he got killed in a way that met the criteria to permakill him, but then Slaanesh resurrected him anyway because GW really wants to keep him alive for some reason.

[@conradlorgar5508]

​@@nothuman3083the person who made the poison turns into him due to having pride in his poisons

[@nothuman3083]

@@conradlorgar5508 but he is neither dead nor alive until the box is open

[@buzzlightyearpfp7641]

i love how the prisoner actually gave a good strategy on how to kill him permanently

[@giacomoromano8842]

It could work, but honestly, Lucius curse is so damn over reaching, there is the genuine possibility he would reincarnate in one of the crew reloading the guns of the ship, or one of the manufacturers of the bullets or cannons, or in the engineers surveying the construction of the ship as a whole... you literally need servitors building everything involved into the kill of Lucius and then probably have the planners of the strategy killing themselves and burning up as to avoid the satisfaction of... killing Lucius!!!!

[@axiomshift4666]

Wouldn't even work. Slannesh would literally just revive him anyways because fuck the rules. He permanently died already and slannesh went "fuck it I'll respawn you." Which is why people hate him.

[@oddtomato1049]

@@axiomshift4666 Slaanesh is really attached to this guy.

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

​@@oddtomato1049They like being entertained. Like, I don't get why people complain so much about Lucius's powers. I get that it's OP, but most daemon princes and powerful chaos marines can be revived through their gods. Lucius is no exception, it's very reasonable in the world of 40k that Slaanesh would revive him constantly.

[@oddtomato1049]

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Maybe because Lucius can kill off characters by not trying? There isn't really any effort involved then, he just had to try and get himself killed. So not only does he have a free 'get out of Hell' card, he also has an insta kill on almost every character.

[@CrimsonElite00151154]

I like how the Chaos Space Marine/Demon actually WARNS the Loyalists out of fear AND TELLS THEM to at least use a Servitor to kill Lucius. 🤣

[@thomask5434]

Which does not work ;). Read the Shortstory Pride and Fall, where Lucius died on a mine and one of the the workers, millions of miles away who made the mine and is proud about making mines for the emperor, just that, is enough to resurrect him.

[@Aureonw]

@@thomask5434 Besides once he was killed by someone prideless even wearing armor made by miserable people he died and got revived by Slaneesh not of his immortality curse. Nothing just straight up Slaneesh revived him, kinda removes the point of even being worth it to kill him, the only way would be to tie him to a bunch of blanks in hope they burn his soul to the point even Slaneesh can't ressurect him or ask Big E to intervene with Guilliman and do the same shit he did to Horus on Lucius.

[@KanuckStreams]

@@thomask5434 Wow, what a rules-lawyery way to be immortal...

[@antoniomigueljimenezmartin4018]

Just dismember it... and dont kill it.... the end.

[@thomask5434]

@@antoniomigueljimenezmartin4018 Hes just, at least nowadays, probably the most accomplished swordmaster of all time. 10.000 years of failing and training, just like his primarch said in better days, there is no perfection until you failed and learned.

[@EbonFang_92]

They could capture Lucius if the guy who killed him was placed in containment

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Hammer and Bolter"ok fine" credits roll

[@schmitzjamesandrew]

That's assuming they even understand how it works.

[@Counterpoints]

I get the logic of it but I think there’s always gonna be a narrative thread where he gets out one way or another

[@MaxiosMB]

For being a setting of endless, brutal, merciless war, GW has reeeaaal trouble killing their mini characters off

[@thecommentguy9380]

well there is a few problems 1 is that few knows of Lucius' resurrection power, so they won't anticipate him taking over his killer 2 is Slaanesh will directly intervene if her champion is in a stuck, if her legion doesn't or can't do something about it

[@TheWaluigiman1]

The Iron Hands actually made a good strategy for dealing with Lucious. Instead of killing him, they disabled him. One, I believe a Captain took a power hammer and slammed it onto his knee, both giving him extreme pain and taking him out of the fight.

[@averageeughenjoyer6429]

Why did they leave him be? Or how did he get out of containment?

[@TheWaluigiman1]

@@averageeughenjoyer6429 He was taken away from the battle by his Legion and that was the goal. To put him out of commission for the battle.

[@ChristopherPayne-yx9bs]

Is he able to be affected by either stasis fields or poison?

[@TheWaluigiman1]

@@ChristopherPayne-yx9bs Not poison since his astartes biology and the cocktail of stimulants on his back would make it near useless and likely statis would work but no one has managed to get him in. Remember, just getting rid of the guy for a time is an achievement and the realization that breaking his kneecap was likely a moments decision.

[@wiilov]

No surprise. The Iron Hands, for being so boring, beat out the Ultramarines in practical utility. Grievously wounding an enemy takes more of an opponent's resources than killing them.

[@noahsawyer7155]

There was one story were Lucius step on a mine and died. The man who made the mine who took pride in his work became one of Lucius victims. That’s how broken Lucius immortality is

[@Luciusthestorms]

Slaanesh had Tzeentch write up the terms but made sure to go over it lol.

[@callming9064]

That is insane GW plot armor

[@retrospectus]

literal in universe plot armour. I love it

[@noahsawyer7155]

@@retrospectusthe most painful one too

[@MrRawrCEO]

The worst one was still the part where he possessed a Necron...A Soulless machine...with no warp signature...

[@adventarchivist5789]

I didn't think they'd give Lucius such a deep voice. But I'm guessing they'd want to subvert what a lot of fans think he would sound like.

[@Counterpoints]

He was still creepy and fun, I really liked his characterization.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

It'd be damn hilarious if he sounded like he did in TTS!

[@halfknight2310]

@@ForgottenHonor0I would love it. Or at least, for it to have a similar tone. Eg, the mocking prideful voice. Laughing hysterically as he fought

[@SenseiLlama]

Alternatively, gw doesn't have enough money to hire actors. Thus, they all sound the same. Rather, they refuse to spend the money

[@reginlief1]

That surprised me as well. But honestly it works much better. He is a chosen champion of a dark god, on top of being a genetically engineered monstrosity before that. He probably should be intimidating as fuck. Lol.

[@LMGunslinger]

I despise Lucius. He is such an arrogant character who undeservably "wins" in the end against his betters because of warp magic.

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Lucius"ohhhhh myyyyyy...spank me harder daddy.....AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH"!!!

[@reginlief1]

…isn’t that the point though? There’s no doubt that a warrior, who’s genetics are already taken from an egotistical perfectionist, who is chosen by a dark god so monumental in reach, would become an arrogant egomaniac. And 40K is hardly a fair setting. The only justice is that deemed by tyrants, and often no justice for those who deserve it. Lucius is a great example of how hard the grimdark aspect pushes the setting to the worst possible timelines on every scale possible.

[@deamonomic]

​@@reginlief1luscious was always obscenely arrogant. He embodied what was wrong with fulgrims legion BEFORE chaos. Arrogance and looking down his nose at everyone else is basically how his legion was as a whole. They are not all arrogant but enough are and it comes off that way anyways.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

dont worry his cheat code is annoying to him, for example he was killed by a land mine and when he realise it he went "wait what... NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOO.... the prince cant know of this nobody can now of this disgrace"

[@roboticintelligenceunit1a652]

Yea, and he doesn’t wear a helmet.

[@ElPorpoise]

Wanted to point out that Lucius was defeated even in this form by a Raven Guard who didn’t turn as he couldn’t care less for the freak. Great video!

[@MrJulio632]

So how did Lucius come back after this? Or it was retconned?

[@_NutcasE_]

Well actually sharrowkyn killed his mortal form and thats when Slaneesh decided to turn him into this abomination. His death condition must be the same as his first one. Where the killer takes no pride in it. Essentially you need another sharrowkyn.

[@joseestevezhernandez558]

True, but A: Lucius didn't completely die as he was recovered by Fabius and B: he was not "blessed" in that way when it happened

[@AndreaAndy85]

@@_NutcasE_ Or Sigismund, he was totally autistic nihilist in the end of the Heresy.

[@deamonomic]

​@@_NutcasE_what happens if they commit suicide before they fully turn? Wouldn't that end his curse as well?

[@omaral-aqid7950]

I like how Lucius made the chaplain freak out by showing him the face of Judiciar he had consumed

[@LewisB3217]

The chaos Astartes telling them to get a servitor to kill him is the only way to defeat Lucius, a servitor takes no joy, it only works

[@omaral-aqid7950]

if the guy who made the servitor took pride in it he will get the curse xD

[@LewisB3217]

@@omaral-aqid7950 that’s not how the curse works, it’s pride in killing Lucius, servitors take no joy or pride in their work, they just work, that’s why the marine suggested it, a robot might get similar results from the admech

[@fatheadglo9931]

​@lewisbush7147 Theres a story where Lucius returned through a bomb factory worker who took pride in making mines for the imperium.

[@LewisB3217]

@@fatheadglo9931 yeah, that'd probably work, the mine factory worker took pride in working for his home and defending the imperium, thus when it killed lucius he completed the curse

[@lowruna]

Some lightyears away an Adeptus Mechanicus member that build the servitor becomes Lucius...

[@PLpatriot999]

they did exorcists dirty in that episode. if anything they should be aware of pretty much 99% of all chaos things

[@MaxiosMB]

No they didn't, no one ever lived to tell the tale of Lucius curse, plus they can't know they're way out of getting shot in the face, it's down to fighting ability at that point. The exorcists manage to capture one EC alive, probably indicating they wiped out a warband. It's just that they went against Chaos Champion

[@immortalwarrior2695]

​@@MaxiosMByes they do. Exorcist whole thing was to collect information about chaos. And they relay this info to inquisition which then relay this to gray knights. They are basically the daemon interrogators

[@libertinarey]

@@MaxiosMB This isn't true though. One of the current ongoing threads GW is trying to push is that Lelith Hespirax wants a shot at Lucius and she thinks she has a way around lucius's hack (by removing his armor, which would be lame workaround if true, and wouldn't slaanesh resurrect him anyway like she did when he got killed by the ravenguard fair and square?) If she knows about lucius's gimmick, then she is far from the only one. The only remaining question is whether GW will do anything with this mini plot thread, and kill off Lelith or Lucius permanently depending on if the wych is wrong or not.

[@Luciusthestorms]

Slaanesh is good at keeping secrets he's got whole greater demons that do lol.

[@LewisB3217]

Unless you’ve dealt or heard about Lucius you’d never know about his curse, Lucius is honestly a wimp

[@mnk9073]

Seeing the three EC just wipe the Astartes really drives home why Chaos Marines are so bloody scary. You may be 300 years old but those dudes literally saw the Emperor walk and enjoy millenia of experience. We need more Chaos in H&B; I wish we could get an Alpha Legion episode.

[@frizz2671]

I wish we would get a Night Lords episode…

[@mis8866]

@@frizz2671 NL would be awesome, id love for them to do a animated adaptation of the Soul Hunter series.

[@ch-sqpopay9949]

Inquisition have been informed. Your position is found. Repent HERETIC!

[@WarlockInTraining]

Oh good old Warhammer 40K. Where a Space Marine can take out hundreds of chaos Marines in Comics, novels, video games, Etc. Yet every now and then you actually get competent chaos Marines that take out Space Marines by the dozens.

[@masterblaster5186]

Not all of the Chaos Marines are veterans of the Eternal War and are just recruited after despite huge % of implantation faliure and the issues created to to geneseed mutation. Those who DO are old generally speaking unless they are "young" due to Warp shaenigans (Like Talos of the Night Lords that was "only" 100 years older despite passing 10 thousand years in realspace) are not to be messed with and they are comparable to high level Astartes and even above Chapter Master and Champion levels in some cases

[@the-blue-barron2791]

So did Lucius purposely let the space marine kill him to get inside the fortress?

[@Counterpoints]

Yes. Very likely.

[@Furydragonstormer]

He's done it before, but he makes sure to not give them his death easily to make it convincing. If he just stood there to let them, they'd definitely get suspicious

[@Zanzabarchocolate]

I honestly think that makes Lucius far more intriguing as a character. Originally I thought he was old fluff that needed to finally just die off, but him using his curse as a tool, putting on an act to make his death less suspicious and letting himself be killed, and effectively turning an annoying swordsman character who constantly gets killed into an insidious infiltrator is awesome. I think we need more stories of Lucius using his ability creatively to complete objectives.

[@Luciusthestorms]

@@Zanzabarchocolate He doesn't constantly get killed. He's still very powerful and skilled he doesn't die for fun.

[@robbiesmith1516]

Probably

[@MrHellsing76]

You know, I find it kinda wholesome that the Emperor's Children astartes they caught, was actively trying to save the loyalists from Luscious' little safety net. For all their treason, a good number of the chaos astartes hate what they've become. Worst part was seeing CSM taking out Primaris like nothing, when lore wise, they can suffer a bolt round to their helmet, and just get right back up.

[@Luciusthestorms]

I don't think primaris can survive with their heads removed or holes blown through their chests. Lucius's buddies have who knows how many chaos blessings. The minotaur can crush a helmet with one normal hand he doesn't even have a power fist and the insect guy is fast as well you know lol.

[@MrHellsing76]

@@Luciusthestorms the terminator I don't discount, I just am annoyed at how they in lore have trounced chaos Astartes but here are torn apart like paper

[@mis8866]

literally NOWHERE in the lore where a Primaris takes a bolt round through his head and survives. LITERALLY NOWHERE. this is what i hate the most from this fandom, people just MAKE SHIT UP and everyone is just like "oh yeah that must be in a book somewhere" I owned 213 black libary books, 100+ hardcovers, 100+ audiobooks and NOWHERE in any of those books does it ever say that primaris marines can survive BOLT ROUNDS THROUGH THE HEAD and can magically "rise up" Also LORE WISE CSM's are actually more powerful then primaris marines, it just really depends on WHO it is (the csm) primaris as a WHOLE are really strong and mostly stronger then the stock standard line trooper of the CSM, but ACTUAL BLESSED CSM's literally SHIT on primaris marines, if that wasn't the case then the CSM faction would be pushed back to the Eye by now, which ISNT the case because the Imperium are getting thrashed in current lore.

[@paulsammer131]

​@@mis8866he said to the helmet not through

[@beccadixon1943]

​@@paulsammer131I thought I'd read it wrong but u reached the same conclusion, 40k fans are as against each other almost as much as the factions sometimes, I'm just here for carnage 😂

[@AliceBowie]

One time a marine kills Lucius without taking pride in it, and the curse passes to the manufactorum worker who took pride in making the bolter ammo the marine had shot him with. So the worker becomes Lucius instead. Don't remember much about it.

[@Furydragonstormer]

That incident with the manufactorum worker was one who made a landmine that Lucius accidentally stepped on, something the dude was very bothered by when he learned about it from combing the poor soul's memories

[@agent5333]

@Furydragonstormer Yeah, Lucius was like “The fuck, you took pride in this shit?!”

[@djcuevas1057]

No he was killed by a land mine that time.

[@LNIGO]

Plot armor

[@UNION_JACK_THE_RIPPER]

That emperors children looks lot like a strigoi. Anyone else think so

[@LMGunslinger]

That's actually the same guy in each scene. It's just at different times.

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

This episode kinda shows if The 3rd Legion got off their ass to actually do things, even in relatively small numbers they could do serious damage if directed and motivated properly. If I have one problem with this episode its that Lucious sounds a bit too noble and heroic for what his character is.

[@Counterpoints]

That’s always been the ECs problem. Competent but so narcissistic they can’t do anything with it.

[@Luciusthestorms]

They take after daddy. He could possibly have killed Dorn while he and all his champions had Dorn surrounded but Fulgrim got bored and left.

[@TheTrveMothlord]

This is what makes the Fabius bile book trilogy so interesting

[@lowruna]

He raided the fortress with 2+/2+/2+

[@arstotzka9088]

Recently Lucius lost a fight to Shrike of the Raven Guard. Shrike was just slicing into him with his claws and Lucius actually called out to slaneesh but the prince of pleasure looked away in disgust. Lucius recognized Sharrowkyn in Shrike and was afraid and even muttered, " I am going to die here" Lucius actually fears going up against the Raven Bois and thier successors because they don't have a gloatful and prideful nature like all other the other chapters do.

[@Counterpoints]

Very based

[@arstotzka9088]

@Counterpoints Lucius was transported away at the last moment before shrike could deliver the killing blow. Lucius was actually afraid when Shrike noted that a a single traitor space marine got away, didn't even mention him as Lucius, as Lucius wasn't special to Shrike, just another target. That terrified Lucius.

[@Counterpoints]

@@arstotzka9088 that’s awesome

[@JohnLaw73]

Theres advantages too being the emo chapter after all 😎

[@akuinator6350]

They really gimped the Exorcists here. These guys are daemon-possession specialists. The MOMENT one of them started feeling funny he'd turn himself in and they'd lock him up in one of the Warp-proof cells they used to contain failed, possessed aspirants. Also they'd be smart enough to just get a Culexus Assassin to kill Lucius with its soul-shredding ability and put him beyond even Slaanesh' ability to bullshit back to life.

[@vaudevillian7]

Exactly

[@JordoValentino]

My only real issue with the choices in the episode is the usage of the Exorcists chapter. They, of all Astartes, would be largely immune &/or unaffected by the Lucius trickery. They have to banish a demon that has possessed them as part of their initiation, & afterwards are effectively invisible to the forces of Chaos. I would wager none of them could become a reborn Lucius, & even if they could, the chapter is one of the few that would IMMEDIATELY recognize the taint of Chaos. I would guess the creators didn't read into the lore of the specific group they were using, but what would I know. I'm just a nerd.

[@LewisB3217]

No one is immune to his curse, and as shown by them interrogating a captured EC marine, they DIDNT know about Lucius curse, it doesn’t matter if you’re a captain or a battle brother, his curse takes hold

[@JordoValentino]

@@LewisB3217 the episode, itself, is in contradiction to the greater lore. The Exorcists were literally created for the purpose of recognizing & effectively combating the forces of Chaos, while also being invisible & largely unaffected by said forces. They literally cast demons out of themselves through force of will, & are second only to the Grey Knights in combating demons & the forces of Chaos. The writer pretty clearly knew little to nothing beyond the surface lore. It is objectively the worst chapter to choose for this story, aside from possibly the Grey Knights.

[@LewisB3217]

@@JordoValentino it doesn’t matter if the grey knights fought him, it’d still likely take hold, that’s just how Lucius works, as the EC said, a mindless servitor to do the kill is the only way, as they feel no joy and thus can’t complete his curse

[@JordoValentino]

@lewisbush7147 yeah... Lucius resurrected through a servitor... & a necron. Even a random worker at a mine factory was affected when Lucius was killed by a mine he built. Powerful psychic defense (or sufficient plot armor) seen to be the lore-defined method of prevention.

[@JordoValentino]

@@legionreaver I concede to your chaotic logic, if only on principle.

[@MaxiosMB]

Like that rendition of the EC and Lucius a lot. Showing what veterans CSM on hella warp crack can do is cool. And I liked that, even though Lucius cared more for the mission, it still seemed that he cared about his 2 acolyte, I hope they remake the EC in their image, bug /bull /bat /snake face BDSM looking monsters

[@FredStack-b5w]

Good esprit de corps...

[@parkerconnolly2484]

The captured space marine literally tells them how to kill him permanently and I am pretty sure if he is permanently killed off that will be Lucius in lore death

[@yokogaijinjr.5061]

I think the only problem is that no matter what, Lucius is gonna cheat into reviving himself, whether it be taking over the worker that made the shells or some other bull shit reason.

[@parkerconnolly2484]

@@yokogaijinjr.5061 fair enough slaanesh refused to let him die in the first place so the chaos god would likely pull something to revive him and if all else fails turn him into a daemon prince

[@LewisB3217]

Gw won’t kill Lucius, but yeah

[@p-leif630]

@@parkerconnolly2484 I'M more confused why there s no way to protect agiasnat it my main problem with 40K is that chaos seams to be more powerful and the natural state in this world order is always present as natural and easily baking unlike other religunes were faith keep you save even if you die here nothing can protect you notaer what you do belief or any thing

[@parkerconnolly2484]

@@p-leif630 to be fair the warp doesn’t obey any real set code of laws and anything and everything in the warp is dependent on the actions of those in the 40k galaxy a chaos god can get stronger and weaker depending upon warship and actions I am say is nothing about the warp or warp entities are really set in stone

[@jakubjayvincent3203]

I loved the part where the primaris were sh@#t and then they died.

[@Counterpoints]

Lol the chaos space marines were on hella warp dust this episode

[@ch-sqpopay9949]

​@@Counterpointsyah, a bit to mutch imo. it was way to easy. they could have scripted it better...

[@ch-sqpopay9949]

@@OljeiKhan jep

[@Ulysses-xl4pv]

Lucius is the definition of plot armor. it's so thick that even when killed by a land mine he was able to possess the factory worker who took pride in making it. not the pride in the act of lucius dying.....which it's how it's stated to work. like.....Even Matt Ward ultramarines weren't this broken.

[@mattmanchip9419]

If a commander set up the battle for his capture, and all people who took part in the battle were excecuted after, except for the commanding officer, and the officer, who would then commit unalivement, would lucius truly die?

[@efaristi9737]

Doesn't matter, Lucius will always come back as long as GW think he is a relevant character.

[@MaxiosMB]

He would die yes, but will Guilliman get eaten by Tyranids? I mean he possibly could, but GW doesn't like killing their mini characters

[@bogdangabrielonete3467]

There was at least 1 case where Lucius was killed but didn't possess the Raven Guard who finished him off, as he didn't enjoy the kill. But Lucius was eventually brought back by Slaneesh, because of course he would... I think the only way to properly finish him off is to annihilate his soul, much like Big E did to Horus

[@ch-sqpopay9949]

​@@MaxiosMBHeresy! Guilliman, mini character? Inquisition is informed. You position is located. Prepare to repent HERETIC!

[@Aureonw]

@@bogdangabrielonete3467 Either force him to hug a powerful enough blank that would burn his soul to warp charcoal or the Emperor, not sure if a necron pylon would just banish or outright burn the demon to death tho

[@mutantmaster1]

Love the small detail that the interrogating victim had two head bolts, indicating he's been around a few hundred years Even with that, and suffering sensory deprivation (true torture for Slaanshei units), he's more afraid of Lucius then the interrogator, which the interrogator should pay a little attention to

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Lucius the eternal"hay what's up...everyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy" me"yessssssssss" Lucius the eternal"guess what time it issssssssssssssssssssssssss" me"yessssssssssssssssss", Lucius the eternal"hay...every bodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...guess what time it is tonight.... IT'S PARTY TIME.....ALL RIGHT"!!!!!!!!!!

[@Counterpoints]

Lol indeed

[@FlameKnght75]

Lucius may not be my most favorite chaos champion, but I do find him to be pretty cool in this portrayal. Maybe one day we will get the other chaos champions in their own animation.

[@locoeselquemira22hola12]

I agree

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

Kharn, Typhus, Ahriman?

[@FlameKnght75]

@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s yeah maybe even Huron as well

[@randominternetguy8735]

"Hold, Domicar. I can work with hatred." This line is so raw

[@giantninja9173]

Lucius: I’m the greatest duelist! Sigismund, Kharn, and Sevatar: A word, brother

[@paulellington1505]

I love that Lucius got brought back once because a factory worker felt pride in making mines for the imperium.and Lucius had been killed be running through a minefield.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

this is the reason they dont really have him fight Tyranids since he would just die and never come back

[@TheHandofDestiny]

@@viktorgabriel2554 Well he's more than skilled enough and powerful enough to have no problem surviving a tyranid incursion,

[@akuinator6350]

@@TheHandofDestiny He's just one dude. They'd bury him in a billion completely unfeeling bio-horrors.

[@user-uy1rg8td1v]

@@viktorgabriel2554 The Hive-Mind becomes Lucius lol

[@granat8293]

Ngl, tts made me think Lucius had a high pitch voice. But this Lucius deep voice is much more menacing and awesome in comparison. Now I'll have a hard time picturing Lucius without a deep voice.

[@Counterpoints]

Just imagine that he was high pitched but being in the warp is like smoking a carton of cigarettes.

[@granat8293]

@@Counterpoints Ok now I'm imagining Lucius switching between TTS Lucius voice and this Lucius voice intermittently. My goodness its hilariously terrifying.

[@Mandalore_Space_Marines]

​@@granat8293 In deep Lucius voice: "I have come to destroy you mortal, do not resist." Tts voice: "alright gal pal you can choose between this thick hard sword or my bolter which one would you choose?

[@Atarnal]

Emperors Children was the last thing I thought Id see leading the narrative in hammer&bolter, loved this one

[@54relly96]

Bro is the emporors children marine agily jumping through the trees killing exorcist marines a named character? Ive seen pictures of him multiple times and was surprised and excited to see him in this animation

[@awakeandwatching953]

yeah i dont think hes a named character just an iconic bvit of art thats seen the chracter redrawn a few time but yeah was cool to see him animated and deadly

[@joesheridan9451]

Like the other guy said he’s just a really cool peice of classic EC art

[@haveltherock1664]

That scene of the chaos terminator tackling the primaris at 11:16 was awesome. It’s good to see how fast they can actually move as opposed to the slow lumbering walking tanks they’re usually portrayed as.

[@alphariusomegon3965]

The EC straight up told them what to do they could have taken him but nooooooo

[@philmariop]

A moment's pride, a moment's delay, a high price for hubris paid.

[@savageshark379]

Im glad we get to see not only a Noise Marine but hints of Emperor's Children/Slaanesh theme Chaos Space Marines. The Minotaur Terminator is a sweet design and seeing the spider like marine w/ the vox caster installed in his mouth, looks like a homage one of the iconic Slaanesh Marine composition paintings. It's fun seeing how Lucious slowly takes over the body of the ones who killed him in battle. Especially, when you consider the history of the Exorcists and their training. I wonder if this means, we'll see the Emperor's Children models coming out later this year?

[@MichaelKalb-y7f]

It's very endemic layer that is part of the onion that is Chaos. Cheating to win! It's funny how quick one can slide into hubris when one is beyond human and nearly indestructible coupled with pride.

[@TheBrewjo]

The most intimidating interrogation in 40K was on Baldermort's Guide to Warhammer. The Thaddeus was grilling a daemon, every time it lied he played loops of cute critters and happy animals. The screams, oh the screams echoed throughout the void.

[@shaggyrumplenutz1610]

I love that he is so petty that he will go through all of that just to pay back a slight.

[@DragonsHoardOfPlastic]

I really dig the bull-headed Emperor's Children terminator, I _really_ hope we get him as a mini sometime in the future.

[@obnoxiousjumper279]

Lucius being killed by random landmine and possessing the poor worker that created said mine is probably the most hilarious of his deaths

[@dragonrider1736]

I'll be real, Lucius is just a person who's afraid to stay dead. Sooner or later, he'll remember what fear is and he'll beg to stay dead

[@Aureonw]

Don't remember anything that would make that lore accurate but I headcannoningly agree because I hate him, but its more like Slaneesh literally pulls a kid move, ''Nuh-uh, you can't break my toy'' and just revives him even if he met his end to someone with literally no pride wielding armor and gear made by miserable people, the only way to put Lucious down on the forever box is if a strong blank hugged him and burned his soul to warp ash, the Emperor does the same thing he did to Horus, another chaos god or the necrons with pylons (maybe)

[@Psychoangel-d23]

@@Aureonw Fulgurite infused weapons would do the trick. To explain in short: Fulgurite that is used in them was made as Big E´s psychic lightning struck sand. It´s overcharged with his power to the point it can destroy souls. It kills perpetuals quite effectivly so putting one through lucius skull would solve the problem real quick. If i recall big E´s sword has the same property due to being imbued with his psychic fire. So... Lucius would have to be dumb enough to face off against Bobby G to get vaporized to the point even slaanesh wouldnt be able to save his sorry ass

[@manowaryar]

I don't really enjoy watching this on Warhammer+, but watching you with explanations and lots of lore, respect. Never stop talking about Warhammer. I will show your videos to my son when he grows up) I'm not very good at writing in English, but I hope you understand what I wrote)

[@deamonomic]

Just want to say the imperium gets told straight up whats going on ALOT and they repeatedly fail to get the message.

[@AliceBowie]

The Judiciar's sword is like the terminus est from the Book of the New Sun series. Swords for executioners had flat tips in the middle ages, too.

[@FredStack-b5w]

Excellent series ...

[@starmechs]

They changed the curse. Now if you feel any emotion when you kill Lucius, you become Lucius

[@dragonrider1736]

That sucks

[@popamonkey190]

FINALLY. Some real emperor's children looking marines.

[@sergireig]

Have to say: combats scenes are getting better. This episode has been better for me than Iron Within, for example (an Archont should bé a bigger challenge even for a Chaos Champion)

[@joesheridan9451]

Yeah that was pathetic how weak the made the dark eldar in that one.

[@Hamzat22]

"I can work with hatred" such a cool line...

[@nicholasperfitt5803]

He did fully die once by a raven guard. This was during the event when fulgriam was working with the Lord of Iron

[@awakeandwatching953]

when you say working with do you mean trying to kill.. pretty sure fulgrim was trying to sacrifice peter turbo in order to reach apotheosis

[@nicholasperfitt5803]

@@awakeandwatching953 yeah he was trying to kill him but he was working with him to gain his trust then back stab him

[@theashenone564]

Sharrowkyn absolutely humbled Lucius and didn't even feel a thing 🤣🤣🤣 "You're just a rabid dog, nothing more"

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Hot Take. Lucius character has potential of being amazing. However bad writing always kills his chances.

[@Warhammer77]

Nykona Sharrowkyn: He held the incredible accolades of being one of few beings to shoot a Primarch in the head with a Sniper Rifle[2a] and survive, and also besting Lucius the Eternal twice in sword combat.

[@Luciusthestorms]

Yeah the writer who made him made him kind of broken lol. Dude can also teleport at will.

[@LutherMahoney]

A sensei can only kill Lucius. Lucius can only be killed by someone who will feel actual pain and sorrow in killing him. It has to be someone who actually loves him. 😢

[@HTWW]

So... Clonegrim?

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

I LOVE that they brought the old Adrian Smith noise marine to life in this

[@lullabygully4621]

This episode made Lucius n the EC go up in my book. Their signature swiftness from being Slaanesh blessed is beast!

[@Wrathnicangel104]

Lucius: “Should you not be damning me and cursing me as a traitor?” Chaplain: “Death to the traitor and the fiend!” Lucius: “Ah yes, there it is!” Yeah I loved that part on how Lucius was wondering when he is about to be insulted, damned, cursed, etc. its kinda funny and kinda badass at the same time.

[@derekdecker555]

the heresy series was my introduction to 40k and I loved both Loken and Tarvitz so Lucius is easily my most hated character. And they gave him such an awesome/hate inspiring power on top of it all. I’m planning a 40k rpg for my friends and I’m definitely having them come up against Lucius at some point.

[@domg2965]

One of the best episodes from the series. All things Slaanesh and DE are perfect, and this didn't disappoint.

[@auugh43546]

ngl, I thought that the captured Chaos Marine was just a chaos cultist.

[@langleysenterprise5134]

I mean it could either be both

[@doktormalifiko5488]

Can’t have a discussion of EC without giving a big shout out to the most chad EC ever, you know him, you love him, The Ancient of Rites, Rylanor.

[@TheGodOfWarhammer]

I love the video, and the new editing while doing recapping. 9:35 not to be a stickler, but it’s pronounced “kuh-koff-uh-knee”. I really hope this isn’t the last video as I was JUST about to subscribe to WH+ for this series.

[@Con_Carne]

Considering who Lucius is as a person, Javis was probably a pretty powerful noise marine in his own right. Clearly he was willing to talk garbage to Lucius' face, which implies Lucius is only taking revenge now because Javis is bound in a coffin.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

Wait, does Lucius keep the properties of whatever bodies he hijacks, or does it always return to his old space marine self? Because if the former applies that gives GW an excuse to rerelease Lucius as the first Primaris Chaos Marine, or even as a model from _any_ faction.

[@noahsawyer7155]

No he takes there souls into his armor

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@noahsawyer7155 I mean the actual physical body.

[@Prince__Teclis]

​@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFireI think it gradually mutates back to himself.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@Prince__Teclis Probably for the best… Imagine if Lucius was stuck as something like _a Swarmlord_ indefinitely.

[@user-zp4ge3yp2o]

Green marine

[@Overanalyse_This]

It's really sad that this might be the last episode. I was really hoping for a Carcharodons/Tyberos episode.

[@halfknight2310]

I will never not unhear tts Lucius voice. No matter what. Though. I do also like the deep voice. If they added someone, laughter and pride to it. Also. I don’t remember if this was true. But I recall that Lucius had the laer blade that fulgrim once had. Was the blade had in this meant to be that? Cause I kinda expected it to be more, sort of extravagant and beautiful.

[@Luciusthestorms]

I think he's changed weapons since then but maybe when he gets a new model, he'll get a choice of swords.

[@Prince__Teclis]

I mean after thousands of years, the blade could reasonably look a bit different from use.

[@halfknight2310]

@@Prince__Teclis true. I just expected something more extravagant

[@the36lessons11]

Even if the Exorcists utilized the prisoner's strategy on dealing with Lucius (which was a pretty good one), it would not work for long since Slaanesh is most assuredly not bored with him yet and would _bend the rules_ to bring him back (probably possessing the Tech Adept who made the servitor or worker who made the ordnance or even the weapons platform!). The only way Lucius will remain permanently dead is if Slaanesh wills it due to him no longer being entertaining.

[@Adrien323]

My only qualms with the animation is using the Exorcists as the chapter getting wrecked and the Primaris marines, once again, being shown off as completely useless in every sense of the word. Other than that they did Lucius justice, his voice actor made him come to life, and I appreciated some of the lines he had. Saying he'd *die* to find the captured EC, waiting for the Chaplain to decry him a traitor, revealing that the whole reason for this expedition was to kill someone who made fun of him. All around great characterization.

[@TheRealBelisariusCawl]

I think we all agree Lucius and his bullshit Slaanesh buff needs to get written out of the lore. I mean come on, a factory worker who assembled a landmine? A necron.

[@andrewengland8021]

Something has always bugged me about his regeneration. What happens if the chap who kills him dies before he changes

[@paulsmart4672]

Then I guess it's down to whoever killed that guy.

[@Psychoangel-d23]

If nobody else is next in line to "qualify" for possession. Slaanesh will just revive him. straight up. The rules of the curse be damned

[@MildTabascofries]

Judiciar is one of my favorite leaders to use on tabletop. I love seeing one here

[@Counterpoints]

Gorgeous models

[@khylerbane4523]

Sadly thanks to mainly TTS and others following suit, like Five(ish) Minute Lore by Old Man, I can’t never hear Lucius without a high pitch voice.

[@immortalwarrior2695]

But honestly that high pitch voice with his narrasitic personality makes him scary

[@Shinobito1]

I just love the fact, that their prison is an oversized D12 XD

[@frankcastle9691]

I hate to say but these animations make no sense. Lucius just cuts down power armor with 1 swing. He cuts the chaplains throat when he has armor covering it.

[@Counterpoints]

It’s a demon sword bro

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

19:03 space marine chaplain judiare"ok....I think I have gone and fucked up here"

[@marcinzysko1653]

I hate the useless armor trope.

[@finnmchugh99]

He's weilding Fulgrim's sword bro

[@RogueSanta]

All armor have weak points

[@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886]

How to Defeat Lucius: Lure Lucius onto a Ship and as he fights fly that ship into a Black-hole. Lucius will spend thousands of years in his perspective due to time dillation getting stretched like spaghetti as he eternally falls into the Blackhole. Even if Slaanesh saves him, he will probably be driven insane from the millenia of monotonous pain he will have suffered. You will have to stay on the ship and let Lucius kill you for this to work though.

[@DewarSon]

To avoid the curse, the Chaplain has to 🪦 the Judiciar after Lucius' demise. Although, keeping the one mine-maker in mind, it would seem somebody's gonna "catch hell" one way or another. And leave Lucius' effects with his corpse, for goodness' sake!.. Damn trophy takin' serial killer vibes, bruh😂

[@p-leif630]

it is an unvinable situation if evne soem as a factory worker can by extend get it wich show that in this world order is for the a** herocis mean nothing fiaht means nothing the problem is chaos has nio real lose condion or der a win condion in the end ´there is no real point in fighting since there never was a way to win in 40K order is natural there no way to protect any one

[@robgarcia1181]

Thank you thank you thank you sir! Somebody else posted before ypu but it was a snooze fest. Basically commentator the whole time and didn't let the Hammer play, just still shots or small clips without audio. 😂 You're the man for giving me my Hammer and Bolter fix! Much love.

[@stepanserdyuk4589]

I always wondered how come that a greatest duelist from a chapter of grestest duelists tends to die an awful lot. This animation fixes the issue. The man is _good._

[@DaughterOfDrakes]

Even better would be if the chaplain tried the time-stopper trick again and lucy avoided it effortlessly :)

[@carljhirst]

The Castalian, broke his vow of silence, at the killing blow. Then picks up the Lier Blade. This ended his purity, nullifying his sanctity and immunity to possession. Allowing the curse, a purchase, on his Soul.

[@RosarioAFK]

Strong representation for Lucius! Hopefully, GW give him a much needed new model soon..

[@lowruna]

I really liked the trapped-souls animation of the armor when I saw the first model of him and didn't know his story I believed he was wearing human flesh because GW artists always painted the soul part in bright flesh colors

[@vincentrees4970]

Well, the Exorcists should have known: Never send a Primaris to kill a Founding Marine.

[@nobodyimportant2510]

NO JUDICIAR DONT DO IT DONT FALL FOR HIS TRAP!!! It’s a shame this will be the last episode I really wanted to see a Titan episode from the perspective of a princeps, a Tau episode maybe more eldar stories and of course space marine episodes

[@bryan...5047]

Its a shame tho i kinda wanted to see the league of Votaan, Tau, and more Necrons from them as well as the ones you listed but if they are stopping then oh well.

[@Titanscreaming]

Lucius was fucking flawless in this. 21:44, look at that fucking pose dude! with that tongue sticking out, freaking phenomenal right. glorious af. Just pauze it. Hammer and Bolter does some extremely awesome 40k animations!

[@electricbayonet2]

It's like the only writers that ever want to use Lucius are the same kids that claimed to have 'everything-proof armor' on the playground. Didn't help that, per H&B standard, the animation budget barely went beyond 'PowerPoint presentation.'

[@Counterpoints]

Are you dense? They’ve made leaps and bounds compared to Garden of Ghosts or Old Bale Eye. Like you’re just incorrect.

[@electricbayonet2]

@@Counterpoints That was more defensive than expected, but okay. Garden of Ghosts, Old Bale Eye, etc were _embarrassing._ They were like reading a comic book under a strobe light. The fact that recent episodes have been slightly less cut-rate and choppy is barely an accomplishment. You can still see all their money-grubbing measures on display, and the visual quality suffers. There are piles of animation errors, continuity mistakes, and just plain cases of bad editing/scene transitions. Assets are constantly clipping into one-another, character locations and actions are unclear after cuts, etc. It's a mess. I won't pretend that this isn't a bit of a nitpick, but since you seem to be a 40k fan, and it's a good case of 'they just didn't care,' so I'll bring it up: The Thunderhawk never lifts its landing gear. It never even _pretends_ to be shifting into a VTOL configuration. It dances in the air like a Wave Serpent. I'm not pulling these things out of my arse. With an even slightly critical eye, the issues just pile up higher and higher. The fact that it's better than the awful starting place is not inherently praiseworthy.

[@electricbayonet2]

@@Counterpoints Was this the extent of your counterpoints?

[@Counterpoints]

@@electricbayonet2 yeah pretty much but I don’t blame the studio, I blame GW. They don’t give enough time or money as evidenced by the flaws in all of their products and the fact that we’re 3 years on and don’t have Astartes 2.

[@user-zp4ge3yp2o]

'kid in the playground' logic is a lot of things in 40k.

[@joeljohnston3390]

I think what people don’t realize is. Lucius is slannesh’s champion. Even if something does kill him and takes absolutely no pride slannesh is going to revive him if the fight was good

[@punisherisback4863]

Lucius oddly enough is one of the weakest chaos champions. Hes no longer a true master duelist. He has been beaten countless times and several characters could permanently put him down like khan or Dante as well as most other chaos champions. However GW keeps bringing him back

[@MaxiosMB]

This is because he is immortal, same as Angron, Avatar of Khaine, you can kill 'em without really killing them. If those were written following what we know about them, then they'd have to kill all those other character permanently (the Lion realistically stands no chance against a Demon Angron, c'mon)

[@punisherisback4863]

@@MaxiosMB the lion beat him after he found the emperors shield and a busted ass sword and is one of the best primarch duelist so yeah it makes sense that he would be able to beat a demon Angron who has little to no parts of his brain that’s actually coherent left. Also Lucius in one of the books literally died to a mine yet his hacks somehow allowed him to posses the guy who created the mine. He has lost more than almost any other character.

[@punisherisback4863]

@@MaxiosMB also Lucius is a chaos champion not a demon prince hes not truly immortal. It’s stated that anyone that can kill him without taking pride in the kill can permanently kill him. He was even killed in one of the books by a space marine who didn’t take pride in it and Slanesh just keeps brought Lucius back because they find him entertaining.

[@mikoajkeler1042]

a beautifully drawn and animated story that WH30 fans know well

[@jamesblake5176]

hammer and bolter is one of the best things to ever happen to us 40k nerds

[@grimreminder5038]

To think Exorcists would be more prepared for something like Lucious...but even then, there's only so much the Imperial truth can do against such a curse.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

Damn. Hammer and Bolter really hate space marines lol, the only time loyalist Astartes are present, they’re shown to be completely and totally incompetent. And to finish it all off, they show the most HATED chaos space marine with the dumbest fucking ability absolutely dumpstering them. And then GW turns around and starts demanding mortgage payments for Astartes minis 😂😂😂 getting some mixed signals here

[@MaxiosMB]

Pretty sure they was an episode where Ultramarines wiped out a craftworld on H&B, plus if you go by the lore Lucius with some CSM could probably merc most primari chapter. Dunno about those space marine being incompetent, more like they were outmatched. It's like complaining about Calgar wiping the floor with dozens of CSM, this is named character shenanigans, GW does it all the time

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@MaxiosMB “wiped out,” you mean got their shit rocked and only really won through sheer weight of numbers??? 😂😂😂

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@MaxiosMB look, I get that many primaris are fairly new on the scene, and a lot of them are inexperienced, but in the years that followed the creation of the primaris, more and more and more Firstborn, with a high propensity for leaders and veterans, have been crossing the Rubicon. But in Hammer and Bolter, there is little to no evidence of that. I mean, two of my favorite characters, Kardan Stronos of the Iron Hands and Merek Grimaldus of the Black Templars have crossed over! Azrael of the Dark Angels crossed the Rubicon Primaris! So many great leaders and veterans of their chapters have lead by example and crossed it, but we don’t see any of that Firstborn experience being crossed with the Primaris strength and tech in Hammer and Bolter.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@MaxiosMB I also recognize that these CSM’s are veterans of the long war, they’ve been around for millennia, and didn’t stay alive this long by being bad at fighting, but they also didn’t stay alive this long by bumrushing the fortress monasteries of loyalist Astartes without SIGNIFICANT support.

[@lexmortis5722]

How badass is it that the slaani servant gave the marines the hands down only way to end Lucius and they ignored him

[@vasilijrappana2335]

Lucius still did his captured friend a favor, finally ending his imprisonment. Besides, since this was a Slaanesh cultist, he may have even liked to swallow a sword.

[@nemesis408]

Turns out Escanor is the one to kill Lucius in the end. "Why would I feel any hate for you. I fee only pity for those weaker than me."

[@0ne0fmany]

Step 1: The same things happen till Castellan Domisor kills Lucius. Step 2: Before he turns into Lucius, lock him in the same box they kept Jaidas Step 3: Profit

[@gangstalker47]

Iirc, Lucius was hit with a orbital strike and the guy that gave the order felt pride about it and turned. So even though a servitor technically did it, the CO took the curse. He'll have to be hit with like a natural disaster to finally go down.

[@SK3.1]

demon: You dont understand he cant fucken die. Spacemarine: WE WILL PURGE WITH FIRE!!!!!!!

[@matthewhamlett9277]

Oh so this is the guy who posses anyone who feels pride after they kill him