Eternals | Spoiler Review & Talk

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

So apparently the director has confirmed the voice in the post-credit scene was Blade. YIKES! Congratulations MCU! You found a way to introduce Blade that left me disappointed rather than excited. Why on earth would you choose a voice cameo to introduce Blade? I'm baffled as to why they would introduce that character in such an ambiguous way that relies on the audience knowing the actors voice, knowing he's cast in the role, and having their brain ready to do voice recognition on the spot....to be excited in the moment. 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@brucecrawford4948]

When I watched it for a 2nd time today, I finally recognized Mahershala Ali’s voice! Right, such a weird way to introduce the character off screen?!

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

@@brucecrawford4948 Yep. As someone EXTREMELY excited about a new Blade film, I'm baffled by this choice.

[@kingsman5121]

@@SeanChandlerTalksAbout Right? SHOW HIM YOU COWARDS

[@tijmuhn8034]

I really don't see it as an introduction. Just a nice foreshadowing/easteregg.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

I'm actively angry at this movie for debuting Blade in such a foolish manner.

[@jeverly]

Nothing turns me off to a reviewer more than when they have a positive reaction to every single movie because they are scared of the fan kickback/anger from a negative review. So I'm glad you are sharing your honest and genuine reactions to this movie. We are all different and the fact that we can all watch the same movie and have varying opinions on it is what makes us all unique and interesting! I didn't really have any hype for this movie at all but when it comes to streaming services I'll probably check it out and form my own opinion on it. Until then I'll enjoy hearing about your thoughts and breakdown of why it didn't work for you!

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

This channel has the most understanding and chill mcu fans. Shout out and respect to you guys.

[@jagjag1277]

I know 1 or 2. HAHAHA. I actually usubbed him. I can't take how he gushed on everything. And him gushing on Eternals is just soooo over the top.

[@tristanmayer5373]

You could have solved many of this movies flaws by having Kit Harington as our human eyes and ears into the story of the Eternals. He could be the outsider like us who is discovering this new cosmic world for the first time.

[@king_supreme1102]

That was definitely one way it could’ve gone. I think the way it did go was unique though. It felt like you were getting a look into gods’ lives, and it felt like it was completely from their perspective in that way, which I like. It was like the humans were out of the room, so we were getting a unique perspective on us.

[@misterguyman9669]

Finally someone said it. Movies like this need a human to bring the story back to Earth (Jane and her friends, Katy, etc.) We need one normal in most of these things. It's boring watching non-human gods do god things, it's not relatable.

[@EpictasticJoshuaYT]

That would've made the story feel a little bit more consistent or easier to digest or they could've done a miniseries in 2 to 8 parts.

[@crispychip1307]

It’s so funny to me that I agree with almost all of your criticisms, but I still actually really liked the movie. I guess the highs were a little higher to me than they were to you.

[@gentlemansoup]

Same here. I just accepted that a couple of his criticisms were just the movie trying its best to conform to the comic, which is still the movie's fault, but I still enjoyed it regardless!

[@Mindblowingtrickshotz]

This is exactly how I feel honestly, glad someone else is in the same boat

[@brianng3414]

I just feel there are still a lot of things we don't know yet about the Eternals (a lot of whys) and that is why Sean is complaining about and not liking the movie. But I am okay not understanding everything in first 15 minutes or even their first movie. Maybe Sean will like it more when this is seen on the whole when more stuff are explained.

[@zackminoske1922]

same here

[@jespov9548]

Kingo wasn’t being an ass and saying he didn’t want to help. It was more of being scared and not wanting to face Arshiem for killing a celestial. Also feeling that they aren’t in the place to decide to stop what has been decided by their god. He just stayed in his place

[@DD-qm1hq]

Thank you! Seems like I disagree with a lot of things Sean thinks on this one and this was of of those things. Kingo literally said he love humans but by stopping the emergence they prevent millions of other planets (like Earth) and creatures (like humans) from being created. It's a one vs. many situation. I don't think he's unlikable because he thinks that, especially because as he said despite he believes in Arishem's plan he's not willing to hurt his friends. He's basically chose to be neutral, which (for me) was probably the most understandable thing to do (as an Eternal).

[@Toroboss745]

@@DD-qm1hq I really think Kingo’s reasoning is faulty. I mean those planets and all the life on those planets will be destroyed just as earth will be. Why not let earth continue to evolve instead of making more planets just to repeat the process?

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@Toroboss745 no only one planet is every billion years is destroyed and a lot more are created by the celeistial that is born.

[@shihoblade]

People struggle with this movie because people arent used to complex characters. If there isnt clear buildup so people can expect it in advance then they never care to consider the characters motivations.

[@brianng3414]

@@DD-qm1hq I think Kingo sees the emergence as part of "nature" -like earthquakes and volcanos. It is not his role to try to stop these things from happening. So, I definitely disagree with Sean's bias human point of view.

[@cave386]

I loved the movie. I was so confused as to how so many people didn’t like the film. I thought it was incredible. It has some places to improve but I thought it was much better than the likes of black widow, the falcon and the winter soldier, and captain marvel to name a few recent examples.

[@powerraptor1314]

I feel the same.

[@darkothemapper1826]

Same though i liked those movies/shows you said

[@SIRGP99]

These critics asking for way to much, we don't even deserve this good a quality of movie

[@mzouain]

Same

[@jasonjason8387]

agree

[@oakiedokie1535]

Actually, I found myself very enjoyed to the Eternals. The only problem that I'm having with Marvel movies right now is the ending or third act of these previous movies (Black Widow, Shang-Chi, and Eternals). It feels.. easy.. like.. too easy to defeat or accomplish something without sacrificing or changing. Also, after listening to Sean's breakdown I felt even worse. Duh!?

[@king_ben._.0488]

I find myself agreeing a lot with this video. My biggest problem with the film for me is that it sort of makes our heroes and villains from the previous MCU films feel somewhat irrelevant or useless. Our heroes have fought countless battles, and have succeeded in against even the most threatening villains like Thanos, but you're telling me this entire time some celestial space god thing could just crush our planet with the flick of a finger. I guess the scale of this film makes the rest of the MCU feel as if no matter how those films played out, our heroes that we know and love would never really stand a chance against a being that powerful. Almost as if them succeeding in the previous films is just irrelevant, as the planet was doomed to die, and there was absolutely nothing they could do about it even if they wanted to.

[@brianng3414]

I totally agree and disagree with you. Just like fights you have with family or friends or neighbors or schoolmates or co-workers are irrelevant compared to earthquake or COVID. These other fights seem petty in comparison and that is what the Celestials/Eternals are supposed to make us feel.

[@milzz8844]

Even though I disagree (a lot), I still respect your opinion. You're one of my favorite movie critics, so I'll always wanna hear what you have to say.

[@pokeystar101]

What did you disagree with?

[@azharyt2469]

I thought the movie was pretty AWESOME.... The story hooked me up till the end and the ambitions combined with dialogues were just the cherry on top.... Comedy was gold and fight sequences were magnificent.... It's my request to you people to please give it a try before concluding your decision

[@chuckmount5873]

My decision is going to be clouded because I know all the different changes they made, thanks to their 20 promos/ day. They made so many changes that it ceased to be the Eternals, so I'm sorely disappointed. I was looking forward to seeing the Eternals, but these aren't it. It's an interpretation and re-imagining by someone who didn;t like the comics or never even read them. I'm fine with changes. They made plenty on the other movies, but they completely over-hauled the Eternals and I'm disappointed in it. I liked the Eternals. This ain't it.

[@azharyt2469]

@@chuckmount5873 Appreciate your decision... For a casual marvel movie-goer like me, I think it felt very unique compared to other marvel movies.... The highs were a bit higher for me and lows were negligible...

[@HarCoolReviews]

I saw Eternals last night, and personally I loved the film. I have to agree, the characters didn’t get enough time to be fully explored but I found the characters fun. I love the big impact it has on the MCU, and the Celestials and Deviants storyline was very intriguing to me. I’d give it a solid 7/10

[@carlolo1239]

Same

[@dennis3dc]

I know I’m in the unpopular here, but it doesn’t take a whole lot for me to get attached to a character. By the end of the movie, I was all in with all of them

[@squareli8589]

My initial thoughts on this special marvel film: The good: First of all, I’m really glad that this is not a “marvel” movie, in that it didn’t follow the typical “the making of a hero” type of story telling in past marvel films, in that it didn’t feel like a commercialized film. Second of all, in terms artistic representations and cinematography in the film, it probably ranks among the highest in marvel films. It also posted some interesting questions, for example: Could one life be righteously sacrificed for the possibility of many others? What does it mean to be human? Is it worth saving? The uncertainty: The story telling of it felt a bit mundane throughout, even the climax didn’t felt that exciting, the “weight” of the film was spread so evenly that it seemed like the a story told in the background, it could be the intentional, but I’m still not sure about how I feel. The bad: A lot of the verbal exchanges in the film felt artificial, like the characters are forced to say something profound; This is also the case with emotional expressions of a lot of the characters, as if they were forced out of them, so what was meant to be deep and powerful expressions were superficial and pale, the prime example of this is the relationship between Sersi and Ikaris. This directly resulted in me not being able to sympathize with the resolution of the conflict in the end, where Ikaris remembered the life he lived with Sersi, it wasn’t nearly as impactful as it wants to be, or that the character felt. Some elements in the film dragged on for too long, like the deviant that showed up at the end of the film while they were fighting already, it felt so unrelated and unimportant to what’s going on at the moment and the core conflict of the film, they should’ve finish with it before that point in a more meaningful way, given the amount of coverage it had.

[@thoarnejones6805]

The best thing about this movie is the conflict "Should we defy 'God' to save humanity?" Its a great concept that can have amazing implications for why earths heroes are so important. However the fact that only Ajak(Selma Hayak) mentions Bruce's snap that brings back everyone snapped so irritated me. The fact he did that alone legitimizes saving humanity.

[@kyloren1014]

The reason why she mentions it is because when humanity came back, it triggered the Emergence of the First Snap had remained then Tiamut was delayed that’s why it is the pivotal snap in this case

[@JDRusse11]

The Snap actually makes Thanos a good guy in a way, because it delays the Emergence and new Celestials from being born, thus saving planets 🌍 with life on them from being destroyed.

[@thoarnejones6805]

@@kyloren1014 it's also her reason for why they should stop the emergence.

[@CaptDeadpool32]

I honestly liked it. Not ironically, not as a joke. I just enjoyed it

[@snowdoll622]

It was so good.

[@tipcherubin7163]

I absolutely liked it as well. I feel like a lot of criticisms I’m hearing are either explained or easily explainable with all the info given. I don’t want to sound like that guy but I think this made a lot of people think too much. And somehow they’re overthinking it somehow.

[@CaptDeadpool32]

@@tipcherubin7163 yeah same. I hear people bringing up problems that even the great Avengers movies do. But no one criticised them. Im sure through rewatches I'll notice more errors but for now, I enjoyed it and look forward to seeing more

[@victoriaswift3633]

My goodness finally a honest review. I agree with everything you said. Everyone in our theatre was yelling at the screen bc of the plot. Some people walked out at the end. It just didn’t make sense. When they spent thousands of years on a planet and then question if it’s worth saving was just plain dumb. She had a bf but forget him, I guess? Then, the valet was completely loyal but I guess forget him too and just walk away even though you have a good life? Just stupid. Let me give up on mankind but then have a family? Then, you create eternals but mess up and Thena ends up with a virus or disorder?? I was so interested in the cognitive upgrade of the deviants just to get sliced (Which was cool). Never found out why she did the tree thing 🤷🏽‍♀️.

[@giodood6326]

honestly i thought the movie was fine it wasn’t as bad as many people were saying and i was going in with REALLY low expectations but they were exceeded by a good amount

[@thatboyy4220]

I saw it last night for a second time and I thought it was very good I feel like some people were too harsh on it but it’s there opinion so I gotta respect it

[@owenbighead]

I honestly think that this is top tier MCU. It didn’t feel like the generic MCU formulated movie and actually pleasantly shocked me.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodr8924]

I personally loved it. I thought it was a bold, interesting new take on a classic Marvel comics team. Contrary to many complaints about the film, I got really invested in all the characters. The torture of Sprite having to watch Ikaris and Sersi’s relationship, Makkari and Druig’s love and friendship, I’m almost 100% sure that we were all on the verge of tears at Thena and Gilgamesh’s story, I think all of them had a great personality and the themes of conflicting moralities amongst a team was executed really well. It definitely had it’s flaws but I really enjoyed it. Overall an 8 out of 10, for me.

[@Sammy2tones]

I love it when movies make me emotional, but this one didn’t do it for me at all. I didn’t hate it, but I’m going 6/10. Probably sits around the #20 spot if I had to rate all the marvel films. Definitely felt bold and different

[@Smile-hk7vd]

I think lot of twist and turns from this movie already feels familiar inside of the MCU, so it doesn't surprise me anymore.. Example: - Good guy from the comic turns into the bad guy or vice versa = Skrull-Kree, Ikaris-Druig, M'Baku-W'Kabi, - The creator/ mentor/ friend is the villain all along = Celestial, TVA, Ego, Yon-rogg Supreme Intelligence, Agatha, Mysterio, Iron Monger, Sharon Carter

[@alexels134]

You raise many interesting points I had never even considered lol. Also, Makkari is mute/deaf because so she can handle the sonic boom that accompanies her super speed - pretty logical reasoning. Otherwise I actually really enjoyed Eternals, it’s very different and fresh and the multitude of characters only uplifts the film. In my MCU Top 5

[@Jotham]

Yeah, if she was a human. But she’s not a human. It doesn’t make sense for the eternals to have human weaknesses.

[@ahmorgan]

Yeah that doesn't make sense. Marvel wanted to score diversity points and she was awesome in the role, but her being deaf makes no sense when you think about it. Why isn't Ikaris blind if we are just throwing out ideas? She was created to be a speedster but she can't hear because of the powers she was created to have?? That's stupid

[@SathishKumar-sk8fe]

Even another marvel speedster character Quicksilver doesn't have that problem and he is born as normal human before he got his powers. There should have been an explanation why these eternals character (especially these two deaf one and forever child) are created in such a way at first by the celestials.

[@tv5661]

There is a video on sprite

[@colinthebigyosh2762]

I didn’t love it or hate it, I was just neutral about it. My biggest problems were that they didn’t explain a lot of stuff, like the characters’ abilities, and some stuff just happening conveniently just to progress the story. Also that deviant that turned humanoid was completely out of nowhere and not needed at all. I did like the fight scenes and the big twist of Ikaris being a villain, and some of the characters were pretty likeable, although I felt that Sersi was pretty boring for being the main character. I also liked that it wasn’t as comedic as other recent MCU movies, so that was nice. I’d still say this is one of the worse MCU movies in my opinion overall, but I liked it.

[@troginator1530]

Yes totally agree it’s totally neutral I don’t hate it but i don’t really love it.

[@ilsukdyang8134]

This should've been a Disney + show with 10 50-minute episodes with each episode focusing on a particular Eternal. The first episode should be longer so we can see them all-together for the first half of the episode with the second half of the episode focusing on main character of the episode. Same with the last episode. It felt like they were trying to do way too much in a two-and-a-half hours. It honestly felt too bloated and not fleshed out enough at the same time, and that is not a good thing. This was the MCU's version of Joss-tice League (although I still think this was definitely better than the theatrical release of Justice League)! I'd rate this as a dead-average movie (50/100) for me. Phase four has not brought it so far (with the exception of Shang-Chi) for me

[@colinthebigyosh2762]

@@ilsukdyang8134 Yeah, I was thinking the same thing in the theater, that it should’ve been a show, probably would’ve been better explained

[@connorweyant6284]

I feel exactly the same. While the humanoid Deviant didn’t really need to be in the movie, I loved the concept of him and wished he hadn’t been killed off. Sort of wanted him to escape off world into some future MCU project

[@colinthebigyosh2762]

@@connorweyant6284 yeah I get that, that would’ve been kinda cool. Kinda wish they didn’t kill off Gilgamesh just to make that happen though, I liked him a lot

[@Dimension5Productions]

Never before have I disagreed with you so much Sean, and if that's fine! Youre a great reviewer, and hearing your take on things, whether positive or negative, is always interesting!

[@brianng3414]

I am glad he did the video. I don't agree with his points, but at least I can understand those critics that disliked the movie.

[@ashlieivy6940]

I saw the movie last night, and I honestly loved it. I would probably put it at number 5 or 6 in my MCU ranking. I loved most of the Eternals, the flashbacks, the humor, the cinematography, and it pulled at my heartstrings. My biggest issue with it was that Angelina Jolie, Harry Styles, etc. being who they are took me out of the movie immersion. If I was a Game of Thrones fan I’m sure that would have been even worse. I love having up and coming actors in these movies and then I just associate them with their MCU character in my mind.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

Just to be clear, the MCU is my favorite franchise, and it remains my favorite franchise. I just didn't like this film. The video almost entirely negative because that's how frustrated I was with the movie. My spoiler free review has my general positives, but when it comes to talking spoilers, I really only had bad things to say.

[@al0742]

Is this your least favorite MCU movie though?

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

@@al0742 You'll have to wait for my rankings

[@YuvrajHaldankar]

Holy shit! I guess thhis movie is probably gonna be competing with Thor: The Dark World and GOTG Vol 2. I could be wrong, but I'm sure that it will be bottom tier

[@trevorfultz]

Yeahhh I gotta disagree with you on this one. Marvel for once didn’t hand hold and I loved it. It’s weird, I thought you liked that too, Sean.

[@markusvesa2763]

I liked how menacing they made the celestials. They feel like lovecraftian cosmic gods. At the end when Sersi gets taken in space i felt suspence when sky gets dark and giant celestial head appers above the earth. And when the golden one almost rises above the ocean it was cool scene. But overall this movie was let down for me.

[@nickp3949]

This movie is like Prometheus. Visually beautiful, great cast, well shot, but extremely ambitious and philosophical and doesn’t exactly tell its story in the most digestible way. Funny enough, I love Prometheus and I also loved this movie. For pretty much the same reasons. I can see why people don’t like either one of them, but they just work for me. For me, Eternals gets third place in Phase 4 so far, behind Shang Chi and Loki.

[@lucasbertsche3710]

That’s actually a great comparison and I love Prometheus too lol

[@lukeshore1]

Love your work Sean. In terms of Eternals being the first ‘Rotten’ Marvel film, I don’t know how anyone could think Eternals is worse than Black Widow. Eternals deserves criticism but it’s not even the worst move they released this year.

[@Edge439]

It’s cause of the lgbtq kiss

[@SathishKumar-sk8fe]

No, he is point out the wrong things in the movie, not about that kiss scene. That scene is very small compared to other things in the movie, if one wants to neglect it they totally can, it's not like you missed big things. He is pointing the real things that weighs down this movie. Once in while people should remind them of awful things they do, so that in future they can correct. It goes same for massive movie franchise.

[@Theeinsom]

@@Edge439 lol that of all scenes got you riled up?💀🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Edge439]

@@Theeinsom uh, no, I, saying that’s the reason most people hate it.

[@bigdaddy9344]

It should have been a TV show. Or a 2 part film. I'm looking forward to seeing what can happen in the future and then maybe looking back at this movie and appreciating it as a beginning. I would have liked more character development as the deaths would have hit more.

[@ellisfilms5821]

I disagreed with A LOT of this. I found the moral dilemma compelling and given the established rules of the universe I actually did find myself conflicted by what the right choice was. (I imagine I am in a minority, but I love when stories take humanity away from the center of the universe.). That being said, up until the debates start I found all of the characters to be kind of bland and cardboardish, and Thena specifically never quite clicked for me. Overall I found this movie to be a beautifully existential mess. When it made me think I adored it, but it takes a really long time to get to that point. I didn't have nearly as many problems storytelling wise as you did, and I give this movie massive props for asking the questions it did (even if some found those questions ridiculous, i did not.)

[@kendrickawesomeness]

I loved this movie honestly. I do not get the major hate, I can get why people have some issues with it but it does not deserve to be the lowest rated MCU movie. I actually liked it tons more than shang chi and black widow. The action was amazing, visuals amazing, the humor was hilarious, the actors had great dynamics, and I really liked the story. I was okay with the characters not being fleshed out and in depth because I had trust in how these characters affected each other by their past and their emotions.

[@The_MEMEphis]

I just feel like the movie was trying to do too much with not enough time

[@The_MEMEphis]

Too many characters introduced in one film

[@firefilmproductions2974]

I agree with with this comment, i rlly enjoyed it

[@LoudonClear]

I thought it was pretty bad, and I think Sean nailed it talking about everything wrong with it. What did Sean say here that he was wrong about?

[@kendrickawesomeness]

@@LoudonClear I’m not trying to say Sean’s opinion is wrong or anything like that, he’s got valid points and people’s criticisms are mostly valid w the movie. I was just saying how I enjoyed it and that I found a lot to like about it, I still don’t think it deserves a rating lower than any other MCU movie tho

[@andreimcallister1365]

Honestly the most emotional moment in the movie is when the guy made that pie and it fell down. My whole audience did an aww just for that.

[@BlitzDinkabooming]

Same with mine

[@OcularAMVs]

I thought this music was human, beautiful, and relatable. This is gonna sound crazy for many, but this might be my favorite MCU movie yet

[@tipcherubin7163]

It’s not crazy to me. Not my favorite. But it’s up there.

[@DuffyLONER64]

What I liked the most about this movie was how it didn't really have a clear distinction between right and wrong. I could find myself agreeing with both views of the characters.

[@ThatGuyTrice]

Sean, you perfectly summed up my thoughts of this movie. Interesting characters (but I can’t remember their names) and frustrating explanations (or lack thereof). Great Vid! Something that doesn’t make sense to me about the Eternals is that they were created to kill the deviants (who were acting too much on their own free will). Why then we’re the Eternals given free will and MORE POWER THAT CAN CHALLENGE EVEN THE CELESTIALS? The celestial could’ve just stopped sending or making deviants on a single planet and NEVER MADE THE ETERNALS in the first place. If the celestial shave the power to create deviants and Eternals then they also have the power to destroy them, so why not destroy them and start over? Also, why doesn’t anyone else in the galaxy know about celestials? Surely SOMEONE would know… Also, why is Sprite not punished? And why does Ikarus destroy himself????????? He had a change of heart????? I haven’t been this frustrated with a movie since BvS 😬

[@brianng3414]

Maybe the Celestials did not create the Deviants or Eternals and this is all a lie too? And Starfox knows something about the Celestials (or some he claims)...

[@tv5661]

Sprite turned human an supported the Emergence

[@SoCalNiner99]

I loved this movie, I think the problem is the expectations are so high nowadays that we can’t sit back anymore and enjoy a film, I’m no gatekeeper but imagine if this came out past 10 years ago

[@jefferickson8493]

I had my fair share of ups and downs with the film, but the more you think about it, the more the film fell apart. I agree with the logic of ambiguous morals and desires of the characters, and how the only true villian would be Sprite. My beef is with Icarus. What was his motivation and desire? He loved Circy but left because the truth about knowing that the people they were protecting were going to die and their memories would be wiped would leave someone very closed off to others. Out of anyone who was told about a way out of their fate, he should have been the most excited for a chance to break the cycle, not ne the twist villain who wants to be miserable and blow away his one chance of existing as he wants. The Eternals might not die, but by being mind-erased is equal to them dying, which was why Gilgamesh sacrificing his life to guard Thena for centuries was so powerful. Had he not, she would have "died", which the Eternals didn't want. I also feel that they should have had a bigger reaction than "oh bummer" when they found out that their 7,000 years of existence were built on a lie, and they would be erased in a week if they didn't do anything. That should have been their point of conflict from there, and about if they could make it worth surviving and sparing the planet, or letting the emergence happen and have their existence erased and sent to repeat the cycle again without any knowledge of anything before. If they had shown Thena's memories of the past world, it could help motivate the Eternals to take a stand for these people after seeing others that they had also protected being obliterated. I loved the characters and costumes, and the diversity worked for me, but the diversity in plots and subplots, motivations morals and lack thereof made this film a glimmering yet lackluster story.

[@darkothemapper1826]

I respect your thinking, but i have to disagree on with ikraris part He was most loyal solider to the celetiuas, so it makes sence he would do as they planned From him, I got vibes of captain america is he followed goverments orders He was a good man, while ikraris os a good solider

[@harrisonash6]

Ikarus was just very loyal to the mission, something he had worked towards for 7000 years, so it’s understandable that he wouldn’t want to admit that his entire life had been pointless

[@darkothemapper1826]

@@harrisonash6 yeah

[@kyloren1014]

Ikaris is not the villain

[@Mindblowingtrickshotz]

I completely agree with all your criticisms and film flaws Sean, however at the same time I still thought the film was fun and enjoyable so I did not dislike it, Maybe it would be cool if you could make a video on how to fix Eternals!! I'd be very interested in that

[@Gnostic72]

The problem with today’s audience that despite their complaints & bitching that all Art now are the same (i.e. music, TV, movies, theatre, etc.) …the Truth is THEY DON’T WANT TO BE CHALLENGED. What they REALLY want is the SAME-O, SAME-O. THEY REFUSE TO GET OUT OF THEIR “COMFORT ZONE”. BUT that’s what Art does…good or bad. IT CHALLENGES YOU. It should challenge your Senses, your Perspectives, your Points Of View, your Belief System, your Idea or Notion of where you think your place is in the Universe. That’s the BEAUTY of Art , whether you agree with it or not.

[@MrHardcoreJustic]

I loved this movie.. and fell asleep during Dune. As I’m getting older I’m realising that my own personal tastes, thoughts and opinions are falling off the beaten path. Are loved Eternals 😌

[@fatherj6]

I think people are milking it, Eternals was a great film and no matter what you say it was one of the best MCU/comic inspired movies to be released. People don't like it because its different which is fine, that's your opinion. Also people keep saying how it doesn't make sense, it made perfect sense to me. Adding a mute, child and other diverse characters was great, I loved it. People need to realise what they need/want. If you know what I mean, you can't always have what you want. That's my opinion anyway

[@corbanbausch9049]

I liked it, in concept. The visuals were fantastic and the sense of scale was palpable, especially in the end with the Celestial. The story the movie was telling was great, although I personally would’ve made Phastos be the traitor, I feel like it would fit his arc better. My biggest issue was the writing and acting. I didn’t really feel anything when Ajax and Gilgamesh died and some of the dialogue was…iffy. Especially the scenes with Icarus and Circie, those were so awkward.

[@JordanEvansMusic]

Hey I hope you can see this! But I just learned that the reason she was created with a hearing loss is because when she runs she creates sonic booms that would be too loud to hear. So her hearing loss has a purpose

[@nicolassirianni8079]

Eternals is...fine? There are good elements here, but it feels like Marvel tried to cram way too much in here by telling every character's backstory AND trying to set up a bunch of stuff for future MCU movies on top of the main story. A thought crossed my mind as I was leaving the theater: what if before this movie had come out, Marvel had made a Disney+ miniseries following the Eternals' conflicts with the Deviants throughout history? Each flashback scene would be a full episode, and that would give the screenwriters more time to flesh out each characters' backstory and worldview and the dynamics between them. Then the movie would be focused on the present day story, and the audience would presumably already have that background understanding, giving the emotional moments (most notably Ajax's and Gilgamesh's deaths) way more impact while also giving the movie more time to tell this specific story and set up future MCU movies. It's definitely a stretch to suggest that Marvel would do this, but it definitely could have fixed most of the problems with this movie specifically.

[@matthewwestfall2688]

I 100% agree with you and felt like this movie was so out of place for an MCU film and I hope this isn’t the way phase 4 is heading

[@SSJ2Phenom]

I guess this is one of the MCU movies where being a comic book nerd really helps because I had no problems at all following the story. I also think the negative reviews helped because they tempered my expectations and I actually enjoyed the movie. It was wonderful and I have no idea what all these critics were watching. The fact that the eternals were divided on whether or not to stop the Emergence gave it significant emotional weight in my opinion. I'm getting tired of all these MCU movies were the hero is just right because they're right all the time and no matter what happens nothing changes their mindset. I appreciated them acting like real beings and wrestling with their decisions. That's also comic book accurate. In the comics Ikaris never betrayed them but they did wrestle with whether they should continue serving the Celestials or not.

[@harrisonash6]

Completely agree with your point about the Eternals being divided adding to the story. Also, even as a non comic book reader I was still able to follow it pretty easily so I’m still a bit confused on the critics issue with it.

[@opinionatedWrestling]

Hey Sean. As a huge MCU fan myself, Eternals really let me down. That’s why I appreciate this review. As easy as it would be to give Marvel a pass and just say “it wasn’t great but it’s fine”, you sat down and logically explained why the movie wasn’t good. And it was NOT good. I really liked your points and I’m working on a review of my own, I hope it could live up to the standard of this 👌🏼

[@ArjunTalksMovies]

To me this was good enough movie but really disappointing. I really liked most of the action, the visuals are really cool, and I enjoyed some of the twists. BUT omg the movie really frustrated me with a lot of things. There are way too many characters and I didn't get enough of my characters. I honestly have no idea how the Eternals were created and a lot of things make no sense. I also think that the whole thing with Celestial creating other Celestials using the population of the planets and stuff felt really frustrating and really confusing. The movie is also not structured properly and the twists and reveals left me really confused. This was also the first MCU final battle that I didn't like. It is really messy and the conflict is just all over the place. I liked the twist with Ikaras and it was honestly the only part of the movie I felt emotionally attached to but I think that they dropped the ball with that in the third act. I don't dislike the movie but It was really frustrating. Probably like a 7/10 for me.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

For me, Eternals, Captain Marvel and Black Widow all have anti climactic third acts

[@Scrummy64]

Sean, you're my go-to guy for any and all popular movies, so I was actually really interested to hear your gripes about this one - I really enjoyed the movie and was wondering whether I was just missing something, since you're hardly the first person to give it a negative review. After watching your vid, I still mostly disagree with your take (I agree that were tons of smaller inconsistencies but loved the storytelling and moral complexity) but respect the hell out of you for expressing your honest opinion; it awards you credibility and integrity as a critic!

[@sarthaksinghchauhan4845]

I absolutely LOVED the eternals. And believe me when I say this I did not care for the Eternals whatsoever, earlier when the reviews came in I was like huh I'm not surprised. But WOW I loved every Character's dynamic with each other, I myself being from India really enjoyed all the scenes with the Indian characters, I also found both sides of the argument about whether it is ethically correct to stop The Celestial from being born really compelling, and I just bought into the whole setting of the film in general. I think it's a reasonable reaction to not care of about this movie as it is something very different from what we're used to with the MCU, I myself only watched this movie only as it is a part of the MCU but man I really loved it.

[@clipsofcooper]

I'd like to say that The Eternals was a good movie yet it does struggle with developing characters, rushing emotional moments and plot. However I'd say I did like the stakes and the world building. The difference between a casual MCU movie gave me some enjoyment. I'd say that overall it's a 7/10...but Harry Styles at the end credits and a BLADE voice over bumps it to a 10/10. 😁

[@jacko1994]

This is why you’re my favourite reviewer, You’re very fair when you dislike a film. I really liked this film and I could still agree with your criticisms.

[@blakepittman6679]

I personally enjoyed the film but I can definitely see why it is so divisive. It is certainly not as complex as it thinks it is but I did enjoy the theological elements explored in the film. It is also a legitimately beautiful in terms of cinematography. I also love how it is not a typical Marvel film and tries to stray as far away from the formula as possible. Could have used more action and character development though, and honestly I think it should have been two films.

[@user-ji3il6ce2o]

Could you explain what you mean by a typical Marvel movie?

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

Popcorn family fun, full of humor. This movie I can see average families bored. I can definitely see kids being bored. The mcu has a formula and this movie went in a different direction

[@blakepittman6679]

@@user-ji3il6ce2o formulaic, childish, and bogged down by MCU humor

[@rialyandriamiseza9814]

In my opinion, the movie is about evolution and how remembering allow us to evolve. Once I understood that everything made sense and every character's arc were much better. Even though the execution was weak, I understood the symbolics.

[@paraIIIax]

When watching the movie i accidentally said “well that was pointless” out loud when the main deviant got killed because it was so shocking how they did nothing with it

[@brianng3414]

I think that was the whole point. That is not the main villain; he was just a diversion in the story.

[@countdraco8761]

I watched it last night and was really confused about how I felt about it and all of Sean’s points explained it all, I agree pretty much with everything. The pointlessness off some of their powers and why the hell they made it seem like the eternals would team up with the lead deviant but didn’t it all felt so weird but now I know why. Movie was below average but I did enjoy more celestial lore.

[@brianng3414]

I agree with the pointlessness of the diversity of powers, but that just makes when wonder how they are going to explain that in future movies rather than hate this movie. There is still alot we don't understand about Eternals or Celestials and this cosmic part of MCU.

[@Sexykd]

I enjoyed the movie, there were many parts that I loved. However, you made some very valid points! I definitely thought the Deviants and Eternals were gonna team up to prevent the Tiamut.

[@snowdoll622]

I loved it so much, it was what I was hoping it would be. I loved the Blade cameo too there’s nothing wrong with a little tease.

[@thehutch1674]

I agree with the notion that we didn’t get enough time with each character, and my favorite, Druig, I would’ve loved to have spent more time with. But I’m very ok with that, it leaves me wanting more and I cannot wait for the next time we see these characters next

[@sjcal629]

I was rooting for Ikaris. I found him to be such an interesting character and he become my favorite before the twist. The problem was that he was so much more compelling than the rest so I was rooting for him throughout. (I actually really enjoyed the movie)

[@brianng3414]

Did you root for him after the twist? Sean would hate you.... hahaha...

[@admiralsnackbar7269]

I agree, I really didn’t like this movie, it’s too many characters so I didn’t care about any of them enough and I just felt detached and bored

[@DariMan001]

My thoughts / opinions / counter arguments. No disrespect :) What I disagree with: The characters are supposed to be introduced in the flashbacks. I was already interested in them and I had questions most of which were answered later on when we reached them in present day. Some Eternals are sent for the 1% of the time when they are useful. The celestials don't seem particularly short on resources. Not everything is meant to be about humans "why am I like I am". Some of it is fascination with how the Eternals are like that. Reminds me of a film like once upon a time in Hollywood. You enjoy it scene by scene not for the plot. I already knew Ajak was the leader when she died. I also knew how powerful Eternals are. I was pretty stunned when she was suddenly dead and her death carried a sense of sadness for her future flashbacks and at that time I had already seen her as a motherly figure. The characters existence is at threat. They don't react how we would because they're not human at all. You need to try to understand the eternals perspective. They desire to serve their creator. The earth is short and temporary in the vast scale of things and the decision to save it could almost be selfish. Also Icarus is not really a villain. A lot of marvel comics fans will love the crazy mess of ideas. It's all down to preference. Phastos sent humans on the wrong path because they corrupted the power he gave them. It was not worth it to help them thrive and develop. He didn't want to help a race that would use what he provided to destroy itself. What I agree with: The main character could have been better Third act was weak in some ways Deviants not becoming good was weird Phastos not wanting to help Eternals to save his family was weird. Sprite betrayal was a weird plot thread although I didn't notice it at the time. Need to rewatch to maybe understand.

[@davosmando]

Completely agree, I think Sean focused a lot on the “we’re humans, so those who threaten humans are the bad guys” argument, I really understood both points of view and I think it’s really valid that Sersi still has doubts in the end. Also, as you said, Ikaris isn’t really a villain. I do agree some details could have been better explored, like Phastos, Sprite and the Deviants. Even Ikaris to some extent. But in general, pretty impressive film, I really liked that it didn’t follow the usual formula.

[@froggyblades6985]

Sprite betrayed them because she hated being in her body and wanted out of it, hence why she asks to become human at the end so she can live an actual life

[@DariMan001]

@@froggyblades6985 I know. I don't tow why she was so easily forgiven. It was an act of love to make her human not out of necessity.

[@froggyblades6985]

@@DariMan001 yeah I agree with that it was weird how 1. Sersi somehow gained the power to make her human and 2. How easily she forgave her… feels like they didn’t set up their relationship prior, maybe they were really close but we’ll never know

[@adamquin07]

I didn't think I would enjoy it as much as I did. Definitely not perfect but enjoyable. Some parts felt a bit out of place and random like humanoid deviant but otherwise great. Characters grew on me quicker than I thought they would. I definitely think it could have benefited from a TV show beforehand to flesh the lore out and get to know the characters a bit more but excited to see the future

[@tipcherubin7163]

Love your channel! Great review. However, idk what happened, but I think you missed some things completely. Especially with the moral conflict towards the end.

[@ninjabirdman551]

To me I thought Ikarus was in the right, trying to keep the universe’s natural progress on track but the movie kind of forces you to side with the other eternals and their human-centric views

[@brianng3414]

Not according to Sean -for him, it was a no brainer which side you should be on... hahaha...

[@gregoirevigne9146]

I got out of the theatre watching this movie bout an hour ago and man, I didn't think I would like it that much ! Now sure, I agree that the story in itself isn't excellent, but what really struck me is the beauty of Zhao's cinematography. Some shots and locations were really beautiful and gave me chills (The Hanged Gardens of Babylon and The hand and the face of Tiamut rising out of the Indian Ocean was real scary albeit very majestic). Another thing that I found very interesting is the character building. Let's face it, Zhao had nine different characters to work on and some other side characters, so it didn't seem like an easy task, but I think she succeeded with a good chunk of the Eternals, but Sprite and Ikaris didn't really connect with me, I really didn't care about what would happen to them, but the others gave me emotions that I had never felt in a Marvel movie before ! Ajak, Sersi, Thena and Gilgamesh, heck I even teared up during Gilgamesh's death... And one last pro of this movie is the humanity it has, sure, we're thrown into a buttload of exposition, but I really liked this movie because it didn't rely on action and fight scenes like other MCU movies. I was more intrigued in the dialogs the Eternals had between them than the actual fight sequences. Now, what I didn't like in this movie (and I'll be very quick with this one, this already such a huge comment, sorry) is the action that was wayyy to much jam-packed with CGI, Ikaris and Makkari during their fight scene looked so goofy and the generic running-gag MCU humour that was in it. Kingo's Valet was a really annoying and absurdingly stupid character for me and I just didn't like the punchlines and the screentime he had... Also, the fact that they killed of Ikaris so easily was frustrating, like yeah it's poetic he flies off into the sun or whatever but, really ? Like the guy turned out to be the real antagonist in this movie and you're just gonna kill him off like that?!? Anywho, in a nutshell, I enjoyed it, had a lof of fun, and in my maybe unpopular opinion, it's to me the most gorgeously shot MCU movie

[@davosmando]

No way Ikaris is dead

[@TeganCantEven]

I liked it, but I didn’t love it. It was ambitious, but I thought the storytelling was clunky. It tried to do too much, I think it would have been a lot better as a Disney Plus series. Sprite becoming human was by far the most emotional part for me. Some of the other emotional moments didn’t resonate with me the way they were supposed to because we hadn’t spent enough time with the characters. The post credit scenes did absolutely nothing for me.

[@siddharthverma8975]

I liked the movie, inspite of that I think your criticisms are pretty valid too, like why was this character mute or kid like..why killed off ajak before she's introduced, why kingo bailed out before final Throwdown? Sercie was pretty much least interesting & one dimensional character also,I agree... But central moral conundrum of movie (is earth worth saving with cost of an eternal being born)I found it to be pretty interesting, would you kill billions evolved humans so that trillions other life forms can be born... If you're all too powerful should you interfere in humanly conflicts? Given they won't evolve as they should if you do so??? These ideas are interesting imo

[@christopherbarber5213]

I really did like this movie. Sean, This is like the second or third time that you’ve mentioned the movie that you didn’t like Because you didn’t feel like the morals were clearly defined. However I find that closer to real life. We like to think that we’re in a world Where evil and good or obvious things (like Captain America good/ hydra bad). I also like watching a movie where it’s clearly defined as to the morality that’s a play. However, in real life things are a lot Less obvious and often times not as easy to tell who’s right and who’s wrong. Understanding this is the fact helps me to really appreciate movies like this at a deeper level because I find it more close to actual human experience. Obviously that’s just my opinion and we’re not on the same place here. However I think you should ease up on calling that a bad movie. I don’t think it’s bad Storytelling the way you and many other reviewer’s are acting like it is. This Director I believe told her the story the way she did because this is how she has discovered reality to be. I found it refreshing and consistent in that way. It’s OK for us to disagree it just kind of feels like you’re throwing out the thought that people do you kind of act that way with inconsistent morals and behaviors which they do all the time.

[@potentiallyschizophrenic]

During the Hiroshima scene, I interpreted his lines as: this is my fault; I shouldn’t have given technology to these people who are unworthy of being saved because of how they used my technology.

[@JackInfinity203]

I saw it yesterday, and I liked it, but I didn't love it like I hoped I would. I really liked the acting, score, the VFX and cinematography, action sequences, and I praised the uniqueness of it. However, I agree that the story structure was so messy, it had hit or miss humor, the character development wasn't that great (which makes the deaths in the film not work), and I don't understand why action sequences constantly go from IMAX shot to normal shot then back to IMAX. The ideas of the story were absolutely fine, but it wasn't structured so well, and could've been done a lot better. This should've been either a longer movie, a two-parter, or a miniseries. I appreciated the things it did, and the pros saved some of the movie for me, so in the end I liked it but I wished I loved it. I'm seeing it again really soon, so hopefully I like it more.

[@justinvillarreal9104]

Ikarus used his laser beams more in this movie than Cylcops in all of the Xmen Movies combined 😂😂

[@FanThemePark]

Just saw it and really liked it! I did think the first 45 minutes or so went a little slow but after that it picked up a lot for me and I thought the finale was excellent. Overall a great MCU film and I don't understand how this is the only rotten score from the critics out of all the MCU movies. There are quite a few I like less than this one.

[@Edge439]

Exactly! It’s a lot better than Thor, Thor The Dark World, Incredible Hulk, CA: First Avenger, Ant-Man, Black Widow, Loki, Falcon And Winter Soldier & What If to just name a few. Personally on a tier list, I would have Eternals on “S” tier

[@tungdil_1458]

I agree with most of what you said. What also made me mad was the inconsistencies of their powers. One minute ikaris is killing a deviant with his lasers, and literally the next deviant doesn't take any damage from him whatsoever. Same goes for Thena when she's fighting that deviant at the end, where she stabs and slices him a bunch of times and then suddenly she can one shot him. Then there's Sersi who just decides in the middle of the film that the rules for her powers don't matter. And that's just 3 of them, I haven't even started with Gilgamesh and the Bollywood guy, who have really powerful attacks, but only use them once a century or something.

[@simonaiello2349]

I really liked this movie, but I can completely understand why its getting hate.

[@PatrickKadian]

Thanks for lowering my expectations, because maybe that’s why I enjoyed it so much. Definitely a top tier Marvel movie for me and the fam. Perhaps if the reviews were stellar, I would have found the same problems in the movie 🤔.

[@ceramiccoconut]

I agree with some of your points, but I enjoyed it way more. Also, nobody talking about the fact this movie essentially has the same bad guy plot as Guardians vol 2.

[@Fourmath]

Phase 4 new characters that I like is slowly growing. Agatha Harkness, John Walker, Loki, Mobius, Kang, Red Guardian, Yolanda, Shang-Chi, T'challa Star Lord, Strange Supreme, Captain Carter, and Thena for me

[@mar1am622]

I'm not going to try to change your mind about anything, but I think you misunderstood both Makkari and Sersi's characters. Makkari is not "mute'. She is deaf due to the fact that she produces sonic booms, and as a side effect she does not speak. She HAS to be deaf due to her powers. Also, deafness is not a setback--Makkari can still communicate, just in a language you can't understand. It's also demonstrated that she can tell when someone's speaking based on vibrations. Sersi's power exists because her job was not to fight Deviants, it was to help the humans by helping with weapons, irrigating the soil, etc., etc. That's WHY Ajak made her the new leader, because she knew that Sersi would do whatever it takes to save the humans.

[@ThePowerBunny]

I absolutely loved this movie despite its flaws and plot holes. Perhaps my favorite MCU film ever. However I will say Kro was the most confusing and disappointing villain. They literally went from the best marvel villain to the worst

[@Anpeo]

As much as I enjoyed the movie and I don't agree with a number of things you said, many of your arguments make sense. About Makkari's mutism, Sprite being a child and so on tho. Notice that the Eternals in contrast to the deviants are designed in the image of humans which means that not only do they look like them but also they have flaws, desires and weaknesses, which in my opinion makes it way more interesting. Imagine a group of seven perfect Supermen. That's a no from me. Anyway, good discussion. Cheers, Sean.

[@kazinadbiralamadit6905]

Okay but then the twist is that they are basically robots who get their memories wiped & sent to another planet to make sure the process goes on. I am pretty sure every alien in the MCU looks the same.

[@codyskutch1110]

I agree a lot of your criticisms are valid, but I still found it really entertaining. It tired to be different and some really cool conceptual stuff going on which makes it watchable for me.

[@utsavbajracharya1521]

I feel like Eternals should just have been a Disney+ show.

[@krkitv9790]

Nope!!!! by the way, Moon knight should be a movie because he is more famous than eternals and has more comic book storylines!!!

[@curtisjordan5303]

Solid review. I really liked this movie. May go see it again. I hated that they wasted Crow/Skarsgard as a throw away foil. I enjoyed how different it was from the standard MCU format. It's unfortunate people can't also understand why a lot of fans didn't like the film though.

[@dumon4264]

I saw it last night and I just felt like it definitely didn't need the 2 hours and 36 minute run time that it had. I felt like more stuff could've been trimmed up and not only would it have had a better flow but it wouldn't feel like it drags on. I also didn't really have a favorite character in this movie because they didn't seem to give one character enough time to get audiences attached

[@thehitman6963]

5:23. That actually made me laugh lol. I agree this movie isn’t great. But I won’t say its bad. I think it’s rewatch able and I’ll definitely rewatch it again.

[@Issaiahenrique]

I went in with low expectations honestly and I fricking loved it. It was just a good experience watching it with a packed theater

[@gamewriteeye769]

This movie falls in the dead middle of all the mcu stuff for me. I don't hate it fully nor do I fully love it. I absolutely loved the visuals and aesthetic of the mcu with how far it has come, the color is great too. The action also delivers as well. However the choices that the characters make in this film like Icarus not fully committing to being the big bad, or Sersi not choosing to be the hero for humanity but because the earth is beautiful, these lack of moral character choices lacks the weight to make this a more heartfelt film.

[@lohanmicahtv6684]

i kinda liked it but i can understand why people don’t, or why they wouldn’t. it is a bit all over the place but overall i liked it

[@Joeyaphotographer]

Not all of them are meant to fight deviants the main goal is to help life progress so some of them are warriors meant to fight deviants and the others are meant to aid life in other ways like creating technology, curing disease, growing , crops

[@mrwhale340]

To me it felt like the most useless MCU movie. So far it's not my least favorite, but it is in my bottom three. I have a feeling it'll move down if I eventually rewatch the film. The decision Ikaris and Sprite made to betray their friends was frustrating to me because they had a sudden change of heart out of nowhere. So the whole final act felt like it was all for nothing.

[@jacrispy1150]

Everything was fine in the movie until Ikaris flew into the sun. It's supposed to be a super serious moment and my entire theater audience just burst out in laughter. It's such a ridiculous and grandiose way of ending your life that it almost feels to me that it was making a pun off the Icarus legend which was sad to seemingly waste a well rounded character that way.

[@yungprint4150]

I didn't notice the movie was this flawed, you are really talented man 👏

[@Persephone_07]

I was actually disappointed that Ikaris killed himself at the end. Cause I thought he was gonna just fly off into space. I would’ve loved to see a spin off with just him in like a guardians space odyssey style movie. You could even keep him as the ultra serious character, but have everything around him be wacky guardians stuff which could be fun. I’m pitching a movie that’s never gonna exists. Anyway, I just liked him the most and would have loved to see more of him, cause he wasn’t just a good guy. He had some actual internal conflicts.

[@mathewthrockmorton5966]

They could do that type of storyline with Silver Surfer!

[@Heladio47]

Only negative thing I can say about it is it literally had me questioning my existence and lowkey had a panic attack when I realized my life is meaningless other than that I enjoyed it

[@ehubb]

The biggest thing that holds this movie back from truly being something special is the fact that it doesn't fully commit to any of the great ideas and questions it brings up. I feel like Chloe Zhao wanted to make deep thought provoking drama, but was constrained by the fact that it still had to be a comic book marvel movie. For example, the deviants hate the eternals b/c they feel like the eternals are the real monsters. When I was watching it I was like, "YES, let's explore that". Then they don't. They bring up that really interesting perspective from the villain, but don't explore any of it. That's just one example. Everything from the celestials, deviants, questions about humanity, and some of the eternals characterizations were all really REALLY great ideas. But they never took the time to actually explore anything beyond just the surface of these great idea. I feel like that's what so frustrating about this movie and why it just didn't connect with a lot of ppl. You can't just bring up questions about is humanity worth saving and never actually dive into that. It just leaves you with an anti climactic feeling.

[@ericthorpereviews]

You definitely made me feel a bit more shaky with my love for this movie as you brought up some pretty glaring flaws! Ultimately I enjoyed the movie though. The one point I would push back on a bit is that while we the audience are obviously against Ikaris that isn’t necessarily the point since this movie is putting us in the shoes of beings that are so beyond us 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@landonthompson744]

Ok unpopular opinion but I LOVED this movie top tier marvel for me

[@ralphbohner4098]

Saw it last night. I think the story was kinda weak but it has strong visuals and I was invested. Overall I think it’s pretty good