Ethan Confronts Hasan On Socialism

[@destiny]

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[@SingularityMedia]

He's been bodied man. He just crumbled. Absolute faker.

[@BINGUS712]

Name of the intro track?

[@elvirfale5431]

you are absoultely 100% right about this big weasel. no wonder people cant stand this fake pos even for a few minutes..

[@elvirfale5431]

his face just has hypocritical weasel spelled all over it..puccie asc boi

[@seanryan2643]

fascism and Nazism are brands of socialism.

[@devious2172]

Here's a handy workflow to use while following along: 1) Ethan: "So what is so wrong with a Capitalist society, that we need Socialism?" 2) Hasan: "X thing is absolutely terrible under Capitalism" 3) Ethan: "But X could be regulated under Social Democracy without needing to move to pure Socialism" 4) Hasan: "But then that would still be Capitalism" 5) Return to 1

[@boomynote]

Thank you for this. Unironically this is very helpful and I’m not kidding

[@MarusaTheBadKid]

​@@boomynotehelpful for what?

[@keithfilibeck2390]

I mean how can they put up their Hammer and Sickle aesthetics over everything if they don't have a Socialist Revolution.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

​@@MarusaTheBadKidbreaking down the dialogue tree, or the cognitive loop ideologues fall into. There's a difference between a conversation and a script, and being in the former as often as possible is the only way we'll scale down hostilities.

[@kingcosmuder8078]

Capitalism bad socialism good but don’t ask me how

[@unit38421]

Everyone is talking about how well Ethan did but I think Hasan managed to present a great case against socialism.

[@semenstainsthemountaintops9497]

it’s not that hard

[@batracio1415]

@@semenstainsthemountaintops9497 just like, one look at history and common sense should be yelling at you to just stop even considering socialism given its killed more than 100 million people directly.

[@ShrisiddhakedarSontakke]

Hasan is intellectually equivalent of Antiwork reddit mod. When they open mouth they destroy their cause.

[@dexterrkk3711]

bro literally is using 1984 as his talking points it's crazy. He really said all governments are oppression why shouldn't we do it,

[@TheClassicDoomGuy]

Ethan has outpaced Hasan, intellectually.

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

You say that as if it's some sort of feat 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-xf4fe4eb3u]

Cap 🧢

[@ekaterinastaneva9922]

No he hasn't. It is just that he has sensible beliefs and Hasan believes in socialism. It is not hard to mess up with his beliefs, take a kid from the street and he will ask the same questions

[@TheClassicDoomGuy]

@@ekaterinastaneva9922 I can't believe I have to explain this but, this is a stab at Vaush saying "I've outpaced destiny, intellectually"

[@Qbesent]

Imagine thinking Hasan is intelligent 💀

[@animatorbroman3710]

For a socialist, it’s weird seeing Hasan surely is hogging all of those Ls. Greedy.

[@Syn741]

He's a capitalist at heart and socialist by name ❤

[@esalkor03]

And it's both capital and lowercase L's. He should spread the wealth 😂

[@breneesmith5400]

Hasan L = is basically anytime daddy destiny disagrees lol IF Destiny agreed w him, you’d see it as a W even if he saying the same sht . You’re like a sneako. That’s a BIG L. You jst not grateful for your L 😂

[@ehwick8175]

He capitalized

[@stevejones8550]

Hahaha thats great

[@Rodzilla_2000]

Ethan is the closest we'll ever get to another Hasan vs Destiny debate and ya know what? Ethan doesn't disappoint 👏

[@Furrnox]

Yeah Ethan has been grabbing W's left and right recently hopefully he stays on this path!

[@DivinesLegacy]

He’s finally putting that ashkenazi jew iq to the test

[@breneesmith5400]

Destiny been working HARD for years to get attention or a response Hasan. His BIGGEST fan forsure disguised as a biggest hater . I hope he gets the day he’s been dreaming of soon so he can stop obsessing over Hasan lol .

[@VerniasAugoeides]

​@@breneesmith5400cope harder. Just realize that an autistic streamer debate bro is more serious and effective than your favorite wine brocialist.

[@CanadianCarterson]

The origins of Destiny v Hasan begun when they were friends. Hasan spawned out of Destiny's twitch channel, and when everyone realized Hasan and his fans were genuine communists, they parted ways. Now of course they despise each other, but hey it is what is, not my life, not my problem. @@breneesmith5400

[@williamnorton2428]

Ethan had so much practice arguing with Trisha, he has that crazy patience. Hasan is the Logan Paul of politics.

[@PadmeSkywalker-ig2mr]

That is such a good comparison, why does that fit so well 😭

[@croisaor2308]

Watching Hasan forced to outline how socialism would exist as it's own system for 10 minutes has been more revealing than seeing him use socialism purely as an aesthetic to critique capitalism for 5 years. He has always been politically illiterate, but he seems downright malicious in way I didn't think he was.

[@RolaiEckolo]

Hasan's been malicious since the "weasely little liar" bit.

[@accountnew7030]

hasan owns you

[@chcowboy5410]

Hasan is the definition of a leftists liberals are fine commies facists (socialists) have to go.

[@dazza761]

@@RolaiEckolo "dude"

[@ReubenModeXXX]

He would have been a Red Pill guy like Andrew Tate if he was more successful in his Bro Tips phase. He truly has zero principles.

[@jackdaniel3135]

I love how hyped Destiny gets about Ethan’s debating skill.

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

I wouldn't say he is crazy good debator, these are like things a teenager should be able to respond from moral and logic standpoint 😅 I'm pretty sure at this point that Ethan has noticed him popping the dumb bubbles Hasan claims in his stream where no one is refuting him especially since he refuses to debate. So H3 have most likely watched his takes on things and goes for it since in this kinda forum Hasan cannot be like he is in his stream. So it is super easy to box him since he tries his hardest not to sound like a hypocrite 😅 Which is hard with the looney takes he have spewed over the years.

[@Joe-fj6dj]

Debate skill: ask questions from a normie s perspective It’s very effective

[@xatnu]

​@@aleksisuuronen5969honest question, were you high when you wrote that?

[@awoo_horsie]

@@aleksisuuronen5969 I really hate how much people overestimate your average person so they can show off how smart they think they are

[@alexwheatley541]

He’s living vicariously thru Ethan and Ethan is surpassing his expectations

[@jamesw5591]

After the interview Hassan drove his super car to his mansion.

[@fabi0325]

socialism is when no mansion

[@dahalofreeek]

Wow Ethan. Great moves! Keep it up. Proud of you.

[@TheStoneProduction]

Michelle?

[@martymcfly88mph35]

​@@TheStoneProductionBig Mike**

[@DragonDDark]

​@@martymcfly88mph35🤨

[@D3vilUS]

Obamna

[@gus3864]

ETHAN BRADBERRY!

[@ConsciousRobot]

If Hasan was entirely confident in his worldview he should appreciate Ethan grilling him on it, and as the premier socialist political streamer, should be able to make easy work of the very basic questions asked. Ethan did a great job challenging him.

[@kg356]

The problem is that Hasan stopped doing debates years ago and rather than polishing his worldview and responding to critiques, he's been living in an echo chamber

[@TheWiggum123]

Hasan believes people are subjected to false consciousness through people pushing back on Marxism and socialism. The Marxists believed it was an evil action. So no he won’t appreciate it.

[@dead4head294]

I'm only half hour in, but those are not easy questions. It gets very technical very quick.

[@cassady7169]

@@dead4head294Sure, but that’s Ethan’s point. Hasan is the one that makes everything simplistic; capitalism is evil and you’re a bootlicker whose head will roll when the revolution happens and my socialist system is just going to work, and when he is asked basic questions of his system he can’t even draw the line between capitalism and socialism. How do you say you want to put capitalists in “re education” camps, but you can’t even clearly define capitalism? It’s insane.

[@alexandriamahoneyy24687]

@@kg356 ngl, even if he did all that he’d still struggle with responding to these questions. not to say every capitalist is a perfect debater, but if they are like you said polished on their points i truly doubt that the socialist can be successful in the debate

[@cradio52]

“If citizens in a pure socialist society wanted to move toward capitalism, how would you deal with that? What would you do?” “You’d re-educate them.” 🤯

[@Theo-ot3ee]

Ethan is gaining much of my respect lately for addressing important issues and for pushing Hasan to engage more strongly with the arguments. You can tell Ethan is genuinely trying to understand the strengths and weaknesses of Hasan's views and regardless of what you think of Hasan, this is a good thing. I think this speaks to what this sphere lacks. I see a lot of drama and hear a lot of noise, but there's also a clear lack of genuineness that prevents people from noticing the obvious value that some aspects of the opposite side can potentially bring to yours.

[@CordaroBlu]

I was super anti Ethan at the H3 v A&P ark. Super bad faith. I think both he and Hasan look better in an argument against each other because their friendship is forcing a bit of good faith.

[@Theo-ot3ee]

@@CordaroBlu You're on point! Before these types of conversations, I always saw Ethan as nothing more than a troll with a 70 iq view of everything. You're definitely right that this brings something good out of each of them!

[@Logicalization]

@@Theo-ot3eenah he hates Tate.

[@SporkyMcFly]

​@@Theo-ot3ee What good does this bring from Hasan? He looks like a bumbling buffoon and a complete nitwit.

[@leftypaws1131]

@@CordaroBlu are you a conservative ?

[@Wislehorn]

Don't like H3H3 at all, but he's such a king for making a podcast solely dedicated to torturing Hasan.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@fffoolishnomore3834]

Daddy Handass sits round the fire with his employees as he splits profits with all his workers, you understand they all visit festivals and buy supercars just like him.

[@fffoolishnomore3834]

No they are both cnts who masquerade as something they are far from, fkn grifters the pair of them

[@lionelmessisburner7393]

Why do u dislike h3

[@FadiMARc]

​@@lionelmessisburner7393a lot of stuff

[@ZacharyTilzer]

Ethan might honestly be the best at hiding his true power level.

[@bananian]

With his dad bod

[@techterror1282]

He's been infiltrating them this entire time

[@duderRechthat]

The Power being; actually going into detail about surface level concept by asking "how would that work in practise" until said concept falls apart.

[@halfbloodprincess989]

Imagine calling your capitalistic 'comrades' that you forced into a reeducation camp for an indefinite amount of time your 'oppressors'

[@leftypaws1131]

He didn’t say anything about re education “camps”…. Destiny and Ethan are the only ones that said that.

[@N-Khal]

@@leftypaws1131 you aren’t the brightest are you

[@gaychampagnesocialist7213]

@@leftypaws1131 What happens if a capitalist DOESN'T want to be reeducated, and will continue to participate in democracy? You have only two options; allow the dismantling of your socialist system, or force them via threats and violence. What do you think a socialist would choose?

[@leftypaws1131]

@@gaychampagnesocialist7213 so you’re saying: what about the ppl who want to continue to exploit the poor and working class?

[@leftypaws1131]

@@gaychampagnesocialist7213 what do you think should happen to them? Genuine question.

[@bigEsmall]

I have loved seeing how happy Ethan makes Destiny lately.

[@JakeNashPK]

This is Ethan walking all over Hasan after spending as little as 1 week learning about socialism 😂

[@deejitv]

Lol it's that easy.

[@NoNoNoNopeNopeNopeNo]

1 week? try 1 minute mate.

[@WhitshWalker6]

Ethan’s perspective is so interesting because he’s coming in with genuine questions and testing hasans ideas. Hassan who I’d say is accustomed to not having to having his ideas directly challenged somewhat flounders when his ideology can’t provide an answer or the answer is optically bad. It’s one of the few opportunities now to see lefties get out to the fire in a way that requires a level of composure and competence and not meme through and offer the most generic opinion. Theory only gets you so far and Ethan is doing a great job of showing this just by asking simple questions and raising interesting hypotheticals.

[@PanosSchmitAlmeira]

All of these things can easily be answered by a socialist, hasan is barely a socialist if one at all

[@k.-flynn]

Ethan has a really simple technique of introducing the real world to heavily scripted arguments. Hasan has practiced his monologues a thousand times using the same terminology, the same theories, the same buzzwords. And all Ethan has to do is comprehend it (which can be difficult with how much these guys like to obscure their intent), and poke it a couple times. Ethan probably doesn't even realize he's good at it. Hasan builds a tower of cards that he's built over amd over, and he's ready to hold the couple of cards that he knows tend to slip, and Ethan just... nudges the table as he walks by.

[@Tespri]

@@k.-flynn this is how it works overall against left wing ideologies. They don't hold any scrutiny.

[@k.-flynn]

@@Tespri yeah wrong channel dude

[@Tespri]

@@k.-flynn hmm?

[@jloiben12]

It would help if Hasan understood socialism and how the world works

[@andrewf8366]

Are you sure that's a fair? That sounds like it would take at least 1 weekend reading Wikipedia.

[@jloiben12]

@@andrewf8366 For Hasan? Asking him to have just a basic understanding of what he is talking about is too much

[@lustrazor44]

Socialism is when hoard wealth like capitalist and live like materialist capitalist and not by values but complain all day about the thing you are.

[@Horizon0505iije]

Social-capitalism is the best!!

[@jjmah7]

Socialism is extremely difficult to understand though. He understands it as well as anyone else who claims they do.

[@zvk3059]

“I want socialism with capitalistic characteristics” - Sums up Hasan’s whole career.

[@BareBandSubscription]

“I want capitalism but also want everyone to think it’s socialism.”

[@Daxank]

@@BareBandSubscription If Hasan were to wake up in a dimension where everything is the same except capitalism is now called socialism and vice versa, he'd 100% believe he achieved his goal

[@averiWonBTW]

china?

[@zvk3059]

@@averiWonBTW More like USA dummy. Hasans just a whiner with a big ego

[@joseignaciomontes5712]

But also not the soc-dem way cause reasons

[@cambienvenu]

Ethan did a really great job at not getting lots in the weeds, and re-centering the conversation. It allowed Hasan not to run from the questions, and showed how much of a clown he really is.

[@leftypaws1131]

Are you a conservative? Who is your fave political commentator? (Other than destiny)

[@cambienvenu]

@@KoopstaKliccaThey’re just not used to watching their favorite streamer get pressed, seeing as he never engages with anyone who might challenge his views.

[@leftypaws1131]

@@cambienvenu you’re the one that avoided two very simple questions….. But ok 👍

[@dieauferstehung]

hasans whole arguments was but WHAT ABOUT AMERICA IS BAD???

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@kopekopekop]

Hasan truly risks himself for the people, disagreeing with anarchists is such an act of heroism

[@cambienvenu]

He really thought he was saying something there, though 💀

[@VerniasAugoeides]

He's always had disdain for anarchists, because out of all socialists they've been the only ones to even attempt to live their principles, usually by taking mutual aid a bit too seriously and becoming homeless and smelly as a result.

[@Steademans]

@@cambienvenunothing hasan ever says is legit

[@justin_ooo]

yup, a true man of the people. but hey, since they're helping to erode the power of capital they're still cool with him!

[@Scawtsauce]

so brave

[@DangerDan19]

It's actually really cool to me how Ethan has turned into an actual debater. I haven't seen much from him lately, but he fucking destroyed Hasan here.

[@moze_-]

He was challenged with crazy and had no choice.

[@spacemonkeymafia522]

It’s funny how socialists will often say socialism isn’t a utopia but then turn around and say that everyone will be so perfectly provided for that no one would even consider wanting to be a capitalist haha.

[@CodeeXD]

And if they do all they need is a little re-education and they'll see the light comrade

[@FrogOf4Chan]

​@@CodeeXD"See the errors of your hungry stomach or face the wall"

[@Baccanaso]

They basically are trying to bring the kingdom of god on earth and will always fail for that hubris.

[@darkgardener9577]

OH and don't forget the 'no true socialist/socialism' fallacy..... all those times over the last century it's been tried across all different cultures on every continent and FAILED HORRIBLY 100% of the time....that wasn't REAL socialism. IF they (whatever activist you're talking to) or someone from THEIR group/party had been "Dear Leader", "Vlad" or "Chairman" it would have been totally different!! THEIR socialism is perfect and will absolutely result in the communist utopia ....you just have to submit to their rule and hand over all your property/labor. LOL

[@The_Babe]

I think democratic socialism is the way to go but past that (unless we somehow had infinite resources and no need for human labor on a mass scale) is just a dictatorship. Marxist-Leninists are no worse than conservatives tbh

[@BonShula]

Dan really threw out "I'm a proud ancestor of a violent revolution that cumulated to millions of death" to earn points on the internet

[@curtiswarren8628]

That was an attempted joke on his part right??

[@BonShula]

@@curtiswarren8628 Pretty sure it was an attempt to impress Hasan and the audience

[@irnbrewhaha]

@@BonShula yeah.. :(

[@curtiswarren8628]

Wow

[@huntergriffin7153]

It didn’t sit right with me when Hassan said he liked Japans way of not being able to fire someone and instead ostracizing them at work. What it basically says is instead of sitting someone down and firing them face to face like they’re a human being, is to emotionally degrade them so much to where they leave the company. Yeah getting fired sucks and can cause you to be hesitant next time you get a job, but to have everyone you see everyday treat you like you barely exist until you break down and can’t take it anymore is much worse and has more lasting impact.

[@SparePencils]

Because Hassan doesnt know what the world of real work is.

[@tooitchy]

It is fucking wildly entertaining watching Ethan the drunken master, as he dismantles everything Hasan believes with the most basic but critical questions.

[@dudewhodoesstuff8959]

The first season of the Ethan leftie arc has started and I'm here for it

[@benblarney]

It's entertaining so far 😂😂😂

[@c0mplex564]

What? Ethan’s always been a lefty…

[@dudewhodoesstuff8959]

​@@c0mplex564"Lefty arc" is a Destiny community thing referring to Destiny getting into a bunch of arguments with socialist content creators that ended with socialists leaving his community.

[@ElChuntyCabra]

Don’t say “aNd iM hERe fUr iT” like some idiot high school white girl

[@forwatchingstuff]

W Lore@@dudewhodoesstuff8959

[@Priinsu]

56:41 One of the things that kinda convinced me that socialism/central planning is BS was serving in the military. I've been in the military for going on eight years now. I see government mess up allocating labor and resources all the time! As large, rich, and powerful as a our government is, it still has alot of issues properly allocating resources and we're not even close to 1% of the US population. So, this idea that with some more computers that the government will be able to accurately account for and manage the many trillions of different aspects and transactions of the US economy is just laughable to me. Maybe if you literally trapped GOD in a computer, maybe it would work but, anything short of that is just wishful thinking.

[@ianamburn3151]

At this point, I am convinced Destiny and Ethan have secretly teamed up for meta level of content.

[@beauevans8027]

@adeptisthebestsocialism = poor bruh

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@beauevans8027 Stupid meme argument. Hasan signed a three million dollar contract with Amazon, a company he previously criticized out of a socialist agenda. He’s a total hypocrite, period.

[@The_Babe]

​​​​​@adeptisthebestExcept none of what you said generates more wealth for him. He isn't exploiting anyone with said wealth, he is engaging in capitalism as a consumer. He isn't out here chasing stocks or encouraging others to, he isn't attempting to sell product in the vein of Alex Jones with vitamins or whatever pseudoscientific product he's trying to push. I hate Hasan, he is a dumbass tankie, but he is allowed luxuries that are within his means because we live in a capitalistic world. And being a consumer is the best way to bolster a capitalist economy because while he spent that money on extravagance, it is nonetheless still labor being paid for.

[@JesusChrist42000]

​@@beauevans8027keep championing people who make your cause look bad. It's really good for people who don't want socialism. I'm so happy hasan is the face of socialism. Let me tell you brother of the rich tell you they are your ally be weary of the true intentions, like self enrichment.

[@rherd]

As a long time h3 fan I’m glad to see Ethan regaining the respect of people again. He really is far more intelligent then people realize, and when he’s not joking around he nails these heavy topics perfectly.

[@misha130]

Is he? More like adequately intelligent imo

[@chillin5703]

​@@misha130so... more intelligent than people were portraying him. People were treating him like an idiot because he has bad takes, possibly _in part_ because his team misleads him, but also _in part_ because smart people can say things you find disagreeable. Simple lmao.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@VillaCarrington]

Weird ass insecure comment.

[@jamesdraco09]

Skinny man good?

[@จตุพรจันทสุรวงศ์]

Hasan : Amerca doesn't work, I don't like what America did. Ethan : if capitalist party gain power in your hypothetical multi party socialist state, what would you do? Hasan : I'd do what American did. I'm dead.

[@ksilva2848]

Destiny is like your vanilla protagonist with multiple arcs of downs and ups, while Ethan is the gifted side character that gave up all his potential to chill but still got that dog in him.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@frankalmanzar3492]

I didn’t think I’d see Ethan lose weight. Good on him!

[@hellsjamfleas]

He was scary heavy at one point. He's really done well to reverse it.

[@EnteiFled]

that's what shitting your separate bed from your wife every night from Ozempic will do for you

[@THE_TURTLE.]

Skinnier Ethan is doing good

[@Bozowomp]

Aye nice, I didn’t really notice but yea he looks great. Good on him

[@skifast69]

Def ozempic lmao

[@Maximus98351]

I gained respect for Ethan after watching this. I used to think he was a mouth breathing reactionary content creator who tried to shock and or say what was necessary to get the highest viewership. I stand corrected his questions were well thought out. Hassan was clearly not ready for that, despite the questions being pretty obvious ones to ask.

[@Tedphoenician]

His reactions to Ky Cenat were completely braindead, using the Aladdin defense for looters, but his debate skills seem pretty high.

[@pariah_carey]

Honestly, for a long time, I was incredibly disappointed with Ethan, because he seemed to have adopted an Ideology without really UNDERSTANDING what that Ideology actually entails, which struck me as disingenuous and even a little irresponsible. So, it’s nice to see him start to push back a bit, because he adopted an Ideology that is predicated on the Expectation that a Species of Imperfect Beings will be able to create a Perfect Utopian Society, which is OBVIOUSLY an impossible task to accomplish (even if it is an incremental process), and thus, it is also a preposterous waste of time and effort to invest that heavily in an Exercise in Futility that is doomed to failure from the very start.

[@KiiWiiKatt]

@@pariah_carey I mean that's generally anyone who follows socialism

[@MasterGhostf]

I completely agree. I wrote ethan off for years. Now it may be time to watch him.

[@yourancientancestor]

He's been smart people have just been catching on lately for some reason. Plus he got some cancelation bs happen a couple years ago which I think left a scar

[@eliranmishal8270]

Hasan sounds like a student trying to explain tomorrow’s exam material to another student after reading it for the first time just yesterday.

[@TheGreatMilksteak]

It's so painfully obvious he skims articles and then shouts exactly like that student on his stream as any basic question becomes unanswerable

[@romnesia7729]

Watching Ethan's chat was the most glaaaaazing experience for hasan I've ever seen. hasTans were out in droves.

[@zinho934]

Ha💤an explanation💤

[@kennethjohnson8003]

there was a post on h3 subreddit explaining it 200 chatters were 60% of chat

[@zalandarr]

ye its funny that ppl dont think he has his commie community run around and brigade everything they have a chance to and he cries like a 5yold whenever he has negative publicity cause it must be dgg always even tho most normies even hate that moron by now.

[@itskastrand]

@@kennethjohnson8003 can you link the subreddit post?

[@LS-jv9hp]

@@itskastrand you can't post links on yt

[@MrG22333]

This is the Ethan I miss. He use to have great commentary. He is actually very smart. Last few years he has turned into a person who just talks bad about every one.

[@EmilyReiter]

Tbh his main demographic of fans is young women, so it makes sense to me, at least, that he pivoted his content towards that audience (i.e. more so talking about pop culture drama). I know this is where a lot of people stopped caring for him but I feel like it was understandable. What I don't understand, is how this same fanbase is shocked that Ethan, a successful production company owner married to another successful business owner, is a defender of capitalism. It's just so funny to me how people keep acting surprised by Ethan and Hasan being ideologically opposed to each other on this part but he's always been like this lol

[@samuelmark]

It's the audience he attracts, which has a certain leaning he then has to conform to; overtime, adapting it authentically.. It's a weird phenomenon, but you see this same thing happen all the time

[@floatingpiglets696]

You’re acting like destiny isn’t constantly shit talking someone or having some nebulous drama with that weeks orbiter. It’s just the context and subject matter of the drama you’re not interested in lol

[@matthewfors114]

@@floatingpiglets696 how is he acting like destiny doesnt do that? hes talking about ethan. we know what destiny does, apples and oranges buddy

[@marushall263]

@@floatingpiglets696 what he said had nothing to do with destiny.

[@kopekopekop]

Imagine how amazing it would be if Ethan was the figure that lead the deradicalization of the super popular far lefties

[@nosleepinheaven]

God works in mysterious ways

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

All will be forgiven!

[@user-xg9wb9zs7j]

he is part of gods chosen people ✡️

[@rossmillington4959]

😂😂😂

[@RachelDee]

Yeah did not see that one coming.

[@ZeekoRamen]

Ethan has become really enlightened recently. Props to him.

[@tramarthomas6105]

​@@Stav6anti glazers are cringe

[@Goredom-]

@@tramarthomas6105 Better cringe than easily manipulated. lol

[@Kekkai_]

I wouldn't say he's been Enlighted. He's still an idiot when it comes to social issues but that doesn't take away from him being a drunken master of economic politics lol the way I see it is that he's been talking about the wrong topics this whole time.

[@BillRevis]

@@Goredom- you are a puppet that believes anything.

[@zelena.pupavka]

Lol, he literally gets his info from chatgpt...

[@olbrandonlo]

I feel like Hasan reads George Orwell and says to himself, "What's wrong with this? Everybody has exactly what they need to live. I wish I lived here!"

[@mathiaskanuck6759]

If thats the case, he's mentally ill... Like straightjacket insane.

[@xplodegg]

Hasan thinks he will be at the top of socialism where the 99% of money is held, if he truly believed in living on a small state ran socialist cheque he wouldn't live in a 3 million dollar house he would live 'realistically' to his own philosophy. Ironically if he was working for peanuts in a socialist state that's the thing he would make him realize it sucks the most as he clearly likes big spending.

[@PanosSchmitAlmeira]

George Orwell was a Socialist who fought in Catalonia..

[@averiWonBTW]

more like brave new world

[@volundrfrey896]

"Napoleon actually was a good guy who just did what he had to too help his fellow animals. The book makes it very clear that all animals are equal, just that some are more equal"

[@doublestarships646]

If you came out of that interaction as someone that found Hasan to be right then there's no helping you.

[@damon22441]

Should those people be... removed?

[@ehmiguel7602]

@@damon22441no, just mocked

[@Gkario]

@@damon22441 From all intelligent discourse? Yes.

[@ReubenModeXXX]

​@@damon22441no just sent for re education

[@Noone-we9vb]

​@@damon22441as hasan said, reeducated...

[@perfectiondreamusa]

i love how even in the hypothetical example where full socialism the dominant system anything else is “counterrevolutionary” lmao

[@voidcowboy4327]

They feel like that because the average person even if they are say a socialist still don't know enough to be able to debate someone so they feel attacked, and the way they handle it is by insulting the person questioning them.

[@virgomunoz]

It's almost like the solution to every fault in socialism returns to capitalism

[@saikonakoshi4334]

I swear Ethan is on a plot to get most of us back to subscribing because god damn his takes have been so fire lately.

[@irnbrewhaha]

Ethan has been more or less the same since Israel, so I don't get it. His content has evolved, some not as good. Reading the comments, it sounds like he pissed off the old fans or something and doubled-down on his position. Basically what he did here with the Hasan fans.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@saikonakoshi4334]

@@irnbrewhaha My only gripe with Ethan, truly, is that once he strayed from h3h3 to Ethan and Hila, the content wasn't as funny. Then he switched his focus, rightfully for his own success in hindsight, to his podcast. I just miss the old h3h3 is all.

[@HexFent]

@@irnbrewhaha the Red pill people like to create retarded narratives and their disciples just regurgitate it over and over. It became a common thing to hear random people say that he sold out to the lefties or something. Ive been watching since the beginning and he's legitimately been the same dude. On the other hand people point to his podcast with Idubbz when it was "cool" to say the n-word, cus freedom or something, and how he has disavowed that behavior.

[@123basedddd]

are they actually fire or is hasan just that retarded?

[@jetjet6560]

It's amazing how the H3H3 and Hasan audience have bought into an idea without a single thought, and unable to actually answer or counter Ethan's points

[@RockPile_]

Name a single point from this entire video that I, as a member of Hasans community, couldn’t easily answer due to having previously considered it. Go ahead and try. Or just give a sassy reply and refuse bc you know you can’t.

[@tunnelsloth5948]

​@@RockPile_Marxism is basically a religion. Catholic apologists always have an answer for every possible question. Just because you may not be as dumb as Hasan doesn't mean you're right.

[@funkerman7]

​​@@RockPile_a simple question for you then. When will you grow up?

[@johnnyrotten1666]

To be honest I don't think it's H3's audience. The majority of the H3 audience actually agree with Ethan and some who were initially disagreeing with him just didn't realize they actually agree with him. I think they're starting to realize it based on how the conversations amongst the fans have been going. I've been a long time H3 fan and interact a bit within the fandom and from my perspective most fans seem like typical Bernie Sanders style social democrats.They want things like universal healthcare, education, housing etc. I think because in American politics people call Bernie Sanders a socialist and European social democracies socialist so they think well then I'm a socialist too and therefore capitalism bad. Many don't realize they're actually not socialists they're social democrats. They just initially freaked out hearing Ethan say capitalism good based on their misunderstanding. Another thing to consider is the size of the H3 audience vs how many were actually arguing for actual socialism. When Ethan first debated Dan Ethan seemed shocked at the response from chat like when he said to chat "are all you guys seriously radical communists?" A fan who's does data analysis was telling Ethan why he shouldn't pay so much attention to chat. He said during that episode 60% of comments from chat came from the same 200 people and that's with H3 averaging about 50k live viewers. It was just a tiny fraction of the live audience. The same can be said about the subreddit. Sure there were probably a dozen or more posts dragging Ethan or arguing in favor of socialism. But even though those posts had hundreds of up votes some probably 1,000+, you have to factor the amount of views the podcast gets. Not counting Leftovers with Hasan the regular H3 podcast averages about a million views per episode. So again it's just a tiny fraction of the fan base making those socialists posts on the subreddit and for sure many are Hasan fans. I just wanted to clear that up because it seems like people think the H3 fan base is full of radical socialists and from my experience it just doesn't seem like that's the case. Like I'm willing to bet if Ethan never mentioned the word capitalism and just said he wishes Bernie Sanders became president and modeled America after European social democracies there wouldn't have been an ounce of drama. Instead the entire audience would've cheered him on. Anytime Ethan says things like we need free healthcare or we should have free education, not once did the fanbase freak out and go, no it's not enough socialism is the only way. I just think they initially freaked out over Ethan saying capitalism good.

[@Healcraft]

where does food in the supermarket come from?@@RockPile_

[@scon1425]

The irony, and frankly, UTTER HYPOCRISY of Hasan Piker labeling people who react to political content an annoying “cottage industry” is kind of unmatched. What a shocking lack of self awareness, even for him.

[@vgorp3849]

Hasan cosigning re-education camps has officially made me pro gun I think.

[@wordshurt2676]

I'd rather die free that live a slave

[@sneakers_guy5488]

Let's be honest though, what percentage of the US population holds Hasan's exact worldview? I'm confident that it is a tiny minority.

[@zeus7873]

​@@sneakers_guy5488 true and that's a good sign

[@vgorp3849]

@@sneakers_guy5488 for now, maybe. Hasan's only 32 though. He'll be saying this shit to thousands of people at a time for decades.

[@leftypaws1131]

Yeah I’m sure you weren’t already pro gun… 👍

[@joeip101]

Flashback to Richard Wolff/Destiny video viewer: "Can I have my PS5 in a socialist system?" Wolff: "Sure you can. It just depends on your need for a PS5 weighed against the greater collective need of your community" Ethan: "In a socialist country, is there one party or multiple parties?" Hasan: "Sure you can. It just depends on your need for [multiple political parties] weighed against the greater collective need of your [primary socialist party]."

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

You forgot to mention Wolff's flopsweat 😂

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@charlesmcguffin2979]

Imagine being such a loser that the first thing you think about is video games.

[@arefallout]

Its so odd Hassan its the prime example of someone living a hypercapitalist and consumerist life but then saying its bad

[@dmvbawse4265]

Ethan is handling Hasan and making him squirm is pure comedy

[@RS-fy9hb]

​@@Selendekiat the very least.

[@emperortgp2424]

imagine getting bodied by ethan of all people.

[@Karait933]

One step towards ethan destiny podcast 😂

[@missaliciaxxxx]

I’m here for it

[@gambigambigambi]

Inshallah

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

YYYEEESSSS

[@BareBandSubscription]

If Ethan operated consistently at his best like this again, I’d be so down for these two to link up.

[@paulalcohol]

Hasan has a brilliant way of not answering nothing but speaking.

[@ErcoleBellucci]

he has learned to press f1-f2-f3 for initiated dialogue and the rest is just phrases

[@BigDickMark]

He talks to himself in front of a computer for 12 hours a day so he has had a lot of practice😅

[@chronographer]

'It would suck if you thought you had 30 choices of product but actually they were all owned by 3 companies and you didn't get as much choice. That's why we should only have a single producer of the product and we can all have zero choice. '

[@chronographer]

And even his super idealistic scenarios don't work. He says 'Ethan is making $10, and hires dan and now makes $15.' Hasan says that 'therefore he should pay dan a livable wage PLUS $5'. ... So, ethan would make less money, where is the incentive to ever expand or hire someone? "Hire me and make less money for more work, also lose control of your business decisions." You just proved the anti-socialism point.

[@pamelapamper]

Hahaha exactly

[@pathos92]

"I think all humans deserve the right to comfort" is an easy thing to say until you are the one forced to provide it

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Or forced to give some of yours away, or a lot of it away.

[@eeyun5279]

What about “I can understand the economic law of diminishing marginal return, my billionth dollar is not worth someone else’s first”, why is that so hard for people to say?

[@j.a.6310]

@@eeyun5279 "billionth" why not millionth hmmmm?

[@Spooks1.2]

It's funny you say that when working Americans have been asking for comfort since the first industrial revolution late 17th century and the lack of labor laws, but who was benefitting the most and who is still around now? JP Morgan, ExxonMobil previously Standard Oil. Americans have been asking for social reform since damn near the establishment of the country. Who though was pushing the agenda that the Populist Party with socialist ideas was bad for America? Hint they're still around to this day with different names.

[@doorhandledestroyer]

@@Spooks1.2asking for comfort and asking for the government to implement socialist ideas are two different things, and if we’re looking at raw numbers the people aren’t to fond of the latter lil bro

[@cinicalmisfit]

Watching this a year later it's still wild to watch.

[@vangoghsseveredear]

Dan is such a snake dude. Between the last time he was talking down to Ethan and didn't even understand what he was saying, to now trying to weasle himself into convincing Ethan to profit share. With friends like that who needs enemies?

[@Paputsza]

I don't think anyone understands profit sharing. Last time I asked hasan about it in his chat he didn't believe in it either, but tries to explain it anyways. Tbh it just seems really annoying as an employee to have to deal with your paycheck in a beurocratic way and have to cut a deal with every department on how they'll vote for you to be paid in exchange for how you vote for them to be paid. Also is it employee by employee or department by department because I never won any popularity contests. Will this just be how to lose 20% of your pay as an introvert?

[@uhok6712]

@@Paputszalowkey yes it’s just a popularity contest but don’t expect the resident popularity contest winner twitch streamer to value that

[@alexanderwhite1108]

I'm ngl, Ethan to me really lost my favor but recently with this fight he has been having he has made himself look really good. He was really bad faith prior to this and engaged in the same behavior his fans are now doing to him. I hope this makes him move in a better direction in the future and keeps up this trend of being the Drunken Master.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

I think he probably saw the money was in the leftie thing like Idubbz but when he started hanging out with Hasan it was too much. Like someone who loves tequila and one night has way too much, pukes their guts out, and then can't even smell it.

[@abdulhameed8999]

ethans been killing it since the xqc debate, he cant stop winning

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Same if he’s not going to be making my silly online videos, him being a great debate guy will totally do. His reputation online is also disarming because of how silly he seems.

[@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard]

I think Ethan finally realised his staff has been feeding him propaganda and has gone back to researching things himself

[@zeno4538]

Do you have an example of him being bad faith?

[@forsakenfortnite5771]

Destiny is coaching Ethan. That’s why he gets so excited when Ethan asks the right questions.😂

[@apollostemple8304]

When "orbiters" come in thinking they have the answers then end up being the most wrong. Just derailing good content into unbearable shit for like 5 minutes. God, Destiny's tolerant for these people never ceases to amaze me.

[@bobjenkins4925]

Is this about Vegan Gains. Because I like that goofy psycho lmao

[@JoshuaBrant-r4d]

For real I don't even like Hasan and I wanted to see Sam Hyde beat him up tbh but the guy who called in to say he wants socialism so people don't make more money than him because he is chasing clout was stupid af.

[@JohnDoe-kn7ex]

@@JoshuaBrant-r4d Yeah same. That’s like a mrgirl tier psychic reading of hasan.

[@WAZZUPwithDanMan]

this ethan arc has thought me so much about the human condition. i used liked to like him back in the h3h3 days and then during the podcast era he lost a lot of favor with me. now its become clear that he has just been figuring shit out this entire time. as we all do. people arent in this locked in 'good' or 'bad' state they constantly morph and grow in their environments. also this is kind of a ballsy turn from ethan given the fanbase he's curated over the last 5 years not even counting the hasan viewers.

[@martymcfly88mph35]

A wise man once told Ethan he will be eaten by the fans he's been trying to appease over the last two years. And I think that comment has aged quite well.

[@zalandarr]

He really was just a normie dumbfk from what i saw. Hes a dude in his late 30s with assets and not grifting for it no way hes buying the trash lasan cult is peddeling

[@johnnyrotten1666]

The thing is the vast majority of the H3 fanbase are not these radical socialists. There's no way he could have garnered such an audience when the podcast is centered around internet culture, drama, and comedy. Most of the fan base don't even like politics. Ethan said he created Leftovers with Hasan so he can talk politics because the audience hates it when he talks politics. On the regular episodes they might mention a political story here or there but generally he says he'll save it for Leftovers because the audience doesn't care. You can see it in the views too when you compare Leftovers to the regular H3 episodes. All this drama just came from a big misunderstanding. I've been a long time H3 fan and from my experience interacting with the fan base many are your typical Bernie Sanders style progressives. They want things like universal healthcare, education, affordable housing etc. It's just that in American politics they call Bernie Sanders a socialist and those policies socialism so they think they must be socialist too and therefore capitalism bad. They don't realize they're not socialists they're at most social democrats. The initial freak out came simply from Ethan saying capitalism good. I guarantee if he never mentioned the word capitalism and just said he wishes Bernie Sanders was president and modeled the country after European social democracies, there wouldn't have been an ounce of drama. Instead they would've cheered him on. They just freaked out over Ethan saying capitalism good based on their misunderstanding of socialism and social democracy. Another thing to consider is the size of the fan base. Remember when Ethan was debating Dan about capitalism and when Ethan responded to chat he was very surprised when he said "are all you guys really radical communists?" A fan who does data analysis made the point to Ethan why he shouldn't listen too much to chat. He said on that particular episode 60% of the comments came from the same 200 people. With that in mind take into consideration H3 averages around 50k live viewers and the podcast (not counting Leftovers) averages about 1 million views per episode. It's literally just a tiny fraction of the fanbase that seemed to be legitimate socialists and for sure some are Hasan fans.

[@borizzle1]

Nah this is just one short moment of normalcy. He will go right back to pleasing radleft drones.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets 😂

[@counterpoint1494]

I don’t understand this point Hassan keeps hammering that capitalist societies push “hyper individualism” and his socialist one would push collective attitudes. I think the difference is a free market capitalist society gives you the CHOICE to organize your life around any combination of individual and collective points. His socialist society would force you, ex reeducation centers, to adopt their collective view. In reality we see most people choose to be individualistic and capitalistic (Hassan especially)

[@jeltje50]

Reminds me of this funny collage meme from twitter. The question was "in an utopia what would be your dream occupation". And most were like "ohhh I'm gonna read poetry to people" and all useless shit like this. Some funny naive pointless shit. Hope these people have actually useful skills. But in a collective society these people would just send to the farms. Only in a capitalistic society can you chronologically online shit post on twitter.

[@JesterAzazel]

I'm not even a socialist and I could come up with better answers. "if there's a capitalist party, by then we'll have proven that socialism works better, and they'll never win the vote. If it doesn't work better and they win, so be it, but I don't believe that will be the case."

[@tunnelsloth5948]

The thing is that a "real" socialist would never actually say that. They'd say the capitalists managed to trick the proletariat once again into voting against their interests. Any real socialist would, at the absolute least, ban such parties from existing, and otherwise would intimidate, arrest, torture, and/or kill them.

[@duckpotat9818]

Or just say they can get elected but the constitution will limit what they can do

[@Robisquick]

That is a better answer than Hasan gave.. But that has a presumption baked into it. The question is, in a socialist world, if there is a counter-revolutionary persuasive leader who starts gaining traction and a capitalist party sprouts up and gains major momentum (which is a reasonable likelihood), how would the state deal with those dissidents to maintain the socialist structure from toppling. You can’t presume that “well it’ll have worked so well that it won’t matter”. That doesn’t answer the possibility that there might be a large group who might be persuaded that there could be an even better system, which happens all the time.

[@JesterAzazel]

@@Robisquick Aren't you also baking an assumption into your question? All I'm doing is the same thing you're doing, assuming "my side" will be more persuasive in this hypothetical. >which is a reasonable likelihood If someone is confident in socialism, then they shouldn't believe that. They should believe that once "true socialism" is implemented, people will prefer it over capitalism. If they don't believe that, then why even be a socialist?

[@Robisquick]

Not quite, Ethan straight up asked, what if there is a capitalist uprising. Meaning what if enough people aren't convinced about the current model of socialism. Because Hasan is trying to pursuade or justify why socialism would work better than the current system, the onus is on Hasan to ensure that his model has accounted for realistic contingencies. Therefore, Hasan can't make an assumption and neatly answer a question with "well it'll be so good that an uprising wouldn't happen".. cause that begs the question, "In what way will the system ensure that satisfaction is met to the standard of eliminating uprising?"... See how the answer doesn't actually provide further information to justify socialism but rather just begs the question? @@JesterAzazel

[@Mark_Bayer]

Hassans popularity is a sign of the sad state of critical thinking

[@tpolutts3309]

Hasan is just the streamer version of movie stars that speak about politics. 99% braindead but young fans eat it up.

[@intermediate212]

It's mainly teenagers and young adults. Once they get serious jobs and have to do adult responsibilities, they'll grow out of it.

[@zzirGuapo]

@@intermediate212 true

[@Paputsza]

ok, bud. he's hot though. Plus, he's thinking something, which is pretty rare in hot people.

[@antidave]

​@intermediate212 they are grown adults though lol and most likely work and do union work

[@ichigonubetube]

My problem with socialism, and even democratic socialism, or possibly liberalism in general, is theres never a limit to how far you go, like everything is incremental until you hit the wall, the wall being full socialism. I feel like we are projecting things on capitalism, that arent actually capitalism, and when ever a socialist references capitalism, their just talking about a free market. Capitalism has checks to insure that were not tyrannized by corporations, our politicians just opt not to regulate them. Like im fine with employee protections, and things like that, but we need to be extremely careful when trying to advance when socialism is concerned, unions for example, there are some good unions, but there are unions that abuse their point, pushing companies to the breaking point. Sometimes those protections extend into mechanisms of power by extension of the government, i think when you have the government being used to wreak havok on a company, even with a collective agreement from some of the workers, i dont think thats fair. People depend on the company, its revenue, and its products, and just because you dont get your way, the company shouldnt go down in flames. To me thats just tyranny in the guise of employee protection.

[@Megatron5012]

its funny how i often thought ethan is dumb but sitting aside hassan he is a fucking genius.

[@user-sp3gg7id8q]

Ethan is a hypocrisy and it's clear that he see the left wing are losing fans and the right wings are take-over on social media so he wants to sneak to right wing by sacrifice His long times budy who they always shares mindsets lol

[@CommunityServesUs]

Im more social democracy than capitalist but Hasan being pretty much eviscerated by a normie like Ethan speaks volumes.

[@natetollett5515]

Brother social democracy is capitalism

[@CommunityServesUs]

@@natetollett5515 pure capitalism?

[@jgreen802]

​@@CommunityServesUsit's just capitalism with social safety nets and more regulations. "Pure" capitalism doesn't really exist. Even in America, the government places a ton of restrictions on business such as anti trust laws, minimum wage laws, etc. They also have some government programs like food stamps and Medicaid for the poor. A social democrat advocates for even more regulation on business and the expansion of government funded programs, but they still want to operate under the capitalist economic model, where private citizens control industry and trade for profit.

[@oluwasegunoriola9834]

@@jgreen802 "capitalism with social safety nets and more regulations" is an oxymoron. As you said, pure capitalism does not exist. And, any involvement of the goverment and trade unions on the means of production means there is no longer private ownership. Sure, people can privately trade, but only under the laws regulated by the government. The government literally dictates who, what, and why private trade can occur. This is not capitalism. Nor is it socialism. Thus, "operate under the capitalist economic model" does not make sense.

[@momoz74]

​@@oluwasegunoriola9834 You're not only wrong but even if you were right it wouldn't matter. Let's say you're right and capitalism doesn't exist. So what? The argument is the system we currently have, whatever you want to call it vs. socialism. And socialism is infinitely worse.

[@antmen4]

I would love for Hasan to even debate someone who ACTUALLY LIVED through a socialist regime.

[@rando3939]

Depending on who and from where, you’d be disappointed. Plenty of old Eastern Europeans, even in America, are fully willing to speak highly of the USSR. I have family from Bulgaria during the time of the USSR and they look back fondly

[@antmen4]

Every guy I have ever met from those countries that had family that went through those times don't look fondly and genuinely hates communism and socialism, and they have reason for it. I have even seen western commies and socialists claim that Holodomor is a lie

[@TheBlinky81]

@@rando3939I was gonna say the same thing. My grandparents lived in the USSR, and they would just say those were the good times. But of course they suffered under communism, they just wish to see the better parts

[@rando3939]

@@TheBlinky81 there’s some boomers that will rave about the USSR lol, they’ll straight simp. My family usually goes “sure we where poor, but we did not have to worry about education, medicine, food, or house. Now we are still poor, and must also worry about these things.” Most of it seems to be along those lines, lamenting the degradation of infrastructure, or missing the camaraderie of those days; apparently people where far more friendly.

[@connormullin4547]

​@@rando3939 It's pretty depressing but I think a large percentage of people hate having any amount of responsibility or having to make any decisions so much that they would be willing to trade pretty much all of their independence/liberty if it just means they don't have to make decisions for themselves or think about anything ever again. There's some huge chunk of the population that would rather be starving in a freezing government provided concrete box somewhere and lining up in the bread line for 9 hours a day and working a government job digging holes and filling them back up again, as long as it means they don't have to write a resume and look for a job, or think about how they should get educated to provide for themselves, or decide where to rent/buy a place, or make any of the normal day to day decisions you have to make to be responsible and live in a free society.

[@MetalShopMagic]

It almost sounds like Hasan cannot stand being the person who's following the conversation instead of leading it. Ethan has grown on me just a tiny bit. He seems earthbound in his ideals. Edit: I find it incredibly odd how these socialists believe the CEO archetype is a greedy power-hungry PoS who abuses their employees but somehow under their views they will allow their underlings to make a "comfortable living" and the money motivator won't be as prevalent lol. As long as there's a form of currency, there's going to be this problem unless you use the government to stop it by force right?

[@-godsspeed-9159]

I hope ethan and destiny have a convo or debate at some point, would be intresting since ethan seems actually curious and wants to learn

[@slm0nw174]

this whole debate is basically ethan actually succesfully challenging socialism in many ways, asking great questions and mentioning huge concerns that would be the case in a socialist country (or have been the case, or both), and all hasan can really answer is 'muh ... also happens in capitalism', completely avoiding the question and its honestly so annoying, like is he trying to hide his real opinion or does he actually have no idea what hes talking about?

[@willy_b_coyote]

Expect Cenk’s Nephew to stab Ethan in the back just like he did with Destiny any day now.

[@natvasch6399]

Prophetic

[@clairdeluge5731]

I’ve never been more excited to rewatch a 3 hour convo

[@ratsqxasher4697]

The way Hasan describes the wages sounds like it discourages small companies from existing. If they’re forced to pay a certain percentage of their company but it isn’t enough to make a livable wage that company won’t exist because of the lack of employees. He’s complaining about monopolies but his exact system would only make monopolies stronger. 1:02:20

[@Yambag]

Yeah but he says "literally" a lot and does repetitive hand gestures so he must be right

[@grrt722]

Destiny is so so cathartic to watch. I grew up in Socal after being born abroad to parents fleeing the Soviet Union. Having to suffer people in high school wearing hammer and sickle emblems and Che Guevara shirts, looked like confederate flags and nazi uniforms to me.

[@dickgoblin]

Yeah sadly i was one of those kids i think they all start out with good intentions but thats what the road to hell is paved with.

[@friendalex7384]

Well-known lolcow Hasan Piker saying "I like socialism with capitalist characteristics" has to be among the top 10 funniest things I have ever heard.

[@grizzly8356]

That shit caught me so off guard that I don’t even know what’s real any more

[@Gabriel2oh6]

Sounds like inverse social democracy lol

[@FauxRaidenator]

Who knew Ethan was capable of being unironically based? It's impossible to pay someone a percentage of the value they bring to a company outside of very specific circumstances like Sales. Coincidentally - things like Sales often do have a profit incentive by paying based on the sales they provide. For someone like myself, who is in a backend/regulatory position, it's impossible to know how much value I bring to the company because I mostly exist to prevent the company from being sued and/or fined. It's much easier to let the two parties negotiate their own value and it becomes a market driven commodity in and of itself. I know what the value of my contribution is based on my experience and what peer companies have offered and will offer to me. If a company doesn't meet my expectations, then I choose not to work with them and find someone who does. As an example of how easily it fails - think of how many businesses there are/have been where two or more people enter into the creation of a business with the expectation that they split profits equally. Then, inevitably, it gets to a point where one person thinks or is bringing more value or working harder to make the business successful than the other. This inevitably results in some sort of dissolution either of the relationship or the business. This happens so far more often than it doesn't. People are inherently inequal in multiple ways and as such the only way to make it work is for the system to be voluntary.

[@betrayer1350]

Yeah seriously. How would you ever grade someone's performance in a preventative role? Lets say your job is to go around your company's various locations and ensure the internal policies are being followed concerning safety and to investigate instances where they may have been broken. There is no conceivable way to determine what percentage of the profit they conserve by preventing workers from falling and hurting themselves.

[@ErcoleBellucci]

hasan say that because he never worked in his entire life, ask him what he did as a worker Nothing and if he mentioned where he worked there wont be evidence He's just aristocratic child and not even a man, sometime you can be aristocratic and a man, but he isnt

[@several.]

@@ErcoleBellucci I think further it's just evident he's had no interaction with the functional world. Everything is abstract in his mind since he only understands fundamentals, when you propose an actual employment situation he can't aswer to it. In reality the idea of a "company" doesn't exists under Hasan's Socialism, you can't employ people and also hold and own all means of production/labor, instead each person becomes an agent and then you contractually agree to purchase the others service, i.e an Employee agreement.

[@2nerC9]

It irritates me how Hasan does that fake "deep" voice it's so annoying.

[@Weasel_oo]

So basically, hasans advertising why we should appreciate capitalism more than we already do. He did a fantastic job. His fans must be proud of his charisma and genius, and his strange but inspiring way of explaining how socialism will lead to a massacre against all who disagree.

[@irnbrewhaha]

Sadly, I doubt his fans made as strong of a connection to the really bad parts.

[@ImTheMan0fSteel]

Hassan is so vile. Omg. I hate how he gaslights Ethan. Ethan needs to start sticking up for himself and his beliefs more. He really does. Some people are just not speaking in good faith. And continuing to engage them like they are, gets you no where. Just lets him spew his nonsense.

[@blobbb]

Imagine being the top political streamer and getting steamrolled by fucking Ethan.

[@typhoidmary2967]

we're not living in late stage capitalism, we're living in late stage internet socialism, and thank god for that

[@adam-yk6yd]

Best comment I’ve seen all year

[@faketheo3432]

1:09:37 In my opinion, implementing a maximum wage limit for CEOs seems like a positive proposal. It might be beneficial to set a cap on CEO salaries, perhaps at a level equivalent to 35,000 times the earnings of an average worker, inclusive of bonuses.

[@liftfork]

The issue with wage caps is that once you hit that cap you have no incentive to continue doing anything more since you won't be paid for it. Why continue to work or innovate your company if you're not going to be making anymore money for it?

[@faketheo3432]

@@liftfork good luck hitting my proposed cap

[@canislupus3655]

​@@liftforkThe incentive comes from the fact that more profit means you can increase your worker's wages, thus bumping up the cap on your salary

[@z0h33y]

The average tenure of a CEO is 4.9 years, there's no reason to implement a maximum wage on what is essentially a position that barely anyone can fill.

[@faketheo3432]

@@z0h33y there is also no reason not to implement a wage cap

[@thekanthalkid4273]

This is a master class in using super simple questions to completely tear down someones entire ethos. The sad thing is Hasan should be asking him self these questions, and using them to figure out wether what he belives in is viable or just theoretic bull shit.

[@Dan16673]

Commies are like religious folk. Deep down its pre supposing all.

[@remodz6385]

It’s obvious he doesn’t actually believe what he spouts. It’s just a virtue signal to keep HIS income coming in

[@thekanthalkid4273]

I actually think he does believe the shit he sayd, which is even more insane and ironic.@@remodz6385

[@betrayer1350]

@@remodz6385 That is exactly it. He has no real convictions. He is honestly probably fairly politically apathetic, he just found a really good niche to make mad money.

[@wraygehouse]

I don’t know if I could watch those episodes without Destiny’s commentary. He really transforms the art.

[@gR22401]

I am not a liberal, but the fact that liberals like Ethan and Destiny exist gives me hope. Common sense is lacking in the extreme left and right, so it's refreshing to see. I don't agree with everything they say, but I understand why they think the way they do because it's logical instead of ideological. I will say this is the first video I have seen Hasan not act like a complete dick, even if he unknowingly made his case against socialism.

[@pbitsurf]

there's a part in the video where hasan argues that his 5 way podcast split is technically unfair for a labor standpoint because he "brings the largest audience" and the ironic part is that hasan considers this "work" for his LTV viewpoint. In actuality, hasan explicitly has just argued that he brings more capital (audience) to the podcast. it was at this moment I realized he actually doesn't know what he is talking about instead of just being poorly spoken. @36:14

[@ErcoleBellucci]

hahahahahhaahhahah holy moly

[@DatZeeShxt]

This will forever ruin hasan politically. It shows that he refuses to educate himself beyond whatever bs he read in 2015

[@ErcoleBellucci]

write this down, the relation between hasan and ethan will become worse and hasan will ask to delete that video because he's free to ask and he has copyright on that

[@BigDickMark]

Eh, I disagree. I don't think the Hasan stans care. Just another example of how Trump and Hasan are two sides of the same coin.

[@sigigle]

33:42: "Sure, but big Labour Theory of Value guys are probably going to have ways to account for that." I'm not sure if Destiny understands yet why Marx's Labour Theory of Value is total BS. He definitely didn't when he was preparing for the Richard Wolff debate, when he said: "Oh yeah, like when the NBA hires a player for $50m/y, they're only doing it because they can make more than that from it, so the player MUST be producing more value than that." That statement was false. The NBA doesn't profit from hiring players because they're able to 'exploit' them by paying them less than their worth. They can profit from it because the massive service delivery system they've built up - their brand, their reach, etc - is able to add value to the players labour, and the company can be compensated for the value they're bringing to the table.

[@lolzerd3745]

I'm not sure how that would make the theory BS, it seems like even Marx back in the day realized that the company's infrastructure of whatever kind is a prerequisite for the company to realize the surplus value contained in labor.

[@theemicrowave0781]

As someone who knows Japanese wage slaves they absolutely can and will fire you if you don’t do the right amount of work

[@MATCHLESS789]

I can't believe he put Japanese work culture on some sort of pedastal when it's probably #1 reason for the suicide rates.

[@SuperJgodfrey]

Let's be honest he wouldn't kill anyone himself but definitely would have it done

[@doorhandledestroyer]

He’d just turn a blind eye lul

[@LunarLocust]

The useful idiots get shot first, so he'd do neither.

[@normandy2501]

Same for Vaush, yet they both have the audacity to say it with their whole chest lol.

[@Furvus_Mort]

I love how he remarks that Nazis werent left wing. Yet they were literally socialists. Like half of Adolf's policies, most liberals would appreciate. Massive welfare programs, guaranteed work and massive regulations on various other liberal policies. Even back in the 30's we can find liberal political figures praising him before they found out he was commiting genocide. Destiny may knock on people for being uneducated. But I wonder if that means either he's choosing to be deceitful or uneducated himself.

[@PSI441]

You do realise the first concentration camps the Nazis ever built were for socialists, right?

[@yousillygoose__]

While Nazism called itself "National Socialism" their ways were more analogous to hypercapitalism. "Hitlers regime was characterized by massive interventions to help out private businesses". They considered the "unproductive" wasteful expense, basing human worth off of profit. They paraded themselves as socialists to appeal to people who wanted socialism, because a government has to sell itself to the people for it to be in favor

[@bellzhellz5922]

I was working and listening, was hard to catch everything because Hasan talked pretty fast and Ethan did not want to elaborate on more concerning language but having a second listen and watching other reactions, I cannot believe he said we would "re-educate them.." I cannot believe Ethan did not press him on that harder, they just kinda moved on... I know they were doing a open discussion and it was all in "good fun" but I think Hasan actually would allow and believe that line of thinking and his whole fan base would be totally complicit in it.

[@irnbrewhaha]

Surely a handful of Hasan's fans would be aware enough to leave if they really spelt it out. It didn't sound like Hasan was ever going to paint a realistic picture.

[@SaVanityVan]

You must not be familiar with super lefty content creators, because openly advocating for re-education camps, genocide, struggle sessions, etc. has been the norm for years now.

[@credman]

I assume most of that is people being edgelords who don't mean it.

[@ericthegreat7805]

Same pfp haver

[@ericc2530]

I can always count on destiny to give Hasan his %120

[@jjms7167]

unli black flash. Destiny out there like Yuji

[@rayraysphone]

Hasan fails to realize that "having all your needs met" is only possible for the bottom two rungs of Maslow's heirarchy. Only a man without propose would be happy with unlimited Oreos.

[@Clem68W]

This arc is amazing. On the theory of ice-cream economics: It's suggested by anthropologists that Ancient Egyptians could make ice and by extension ice cream in the middle of the desert by digging a cellar deep enough and storing water in it until it freezes. If one wanted authentic-style ancient ice cream, is it still gonna be like, same price as a choco-taco? Hasan's socialism feels like ISIS more than Marxism.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

And with very similar outcomes.

[@patula3499]

It's interesting how bosses are greedy for wanting to pay as little as possible for the most amount of productivity but it's acceptable and virtuous for an employee to want the highest salary for the least amount of work.

[@xplodegg]

That's a very interesting thought indeed.. I never heard it put like that before 👍 exposes the flaw in logic people like Hasan have

[@patula3499]

@@kylemoran8613 Start a business and come back and tell me that.

[@lofttm969]

@@kylemoran8613ah yes, one of those well known companies where the employees have to buy new material from their paychecks and when a job doesn’t make money, they aren’t paid as much. 🙄

[@catalysts94]

@@kylemoran8613 no you don't and no again it isn't. without employers most people couldn't produce value unless they could purchase any and all materials and equipment. it also isn't theft to agree to borrow another person's equipment to do a job in exchange for a stable wage, even when less than the total value produced.

[@k.l.7782]

One of them has power, the other doesn't. Hope that helps.

[@420dopethrone]

this makes me happy as an ex H3 fan (Pre-2020) would love to see them return to reality.

[@KainsAddiction]

I think he stopped smoking weed and finally got his meds right. If he keeps it up he's be back in about six months