I’m the ar shooter in the video. To clarify one thing, most of us shooting that day showed up to shoot the blackjack challenge. We were told about this separate challenge previous to showing up and I just saw it as an extra shot as I was really there to see how I could do on the blackjack. If I was showing up for just this challenge I would’ve used a different rifle and my actual hunting rifle probably missing the killzone but having more confidence in hitting the deer coldbore. I assume the blackjack challenge is why everyone else showed up as well and i’m sure Erik will post that at some point. This 1moa challenge is still humbling and I would never try to kill an animal at 500 with a target projectile, and a 5x optic as it’s very difficult to make an ethical shot.
@Bob_Adkins2 ай бұрын
I knew something was off...
@PoliticallyInsensitive2 ай бұрын
It's definitely not easy. A few weeks ago (7/6/24) I was at a rifle class and while the instructor was running some drills with one part of the class the rest of us were allowed to shoot steel out to 600y; I had brought my 16" AR specifically for this if the opportunity came up. I was making his at 400 with a 5x and 73(?)gr Superformance .223 off the shelf that I wasn't zeroed with, but couldn't connect at 500. The range was also overgrown with weeds and brush so I couldn't spot my misses. Still a lot of fun.
@hopewilliams67052 ай бұрын
Wich trigger tech do you have?
@hopewilliams67052 ай бұрын
Wich trigger tech do you have?
@josephr27662 ай бұрын
@@blckrsterling respect!
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 ай бұрын
FINALLY someone said it. Most people can’t shoot 1moa at 100. Don’t believe me, go to a public range and look at 100 yard targets. Great stuff, thanks Erik!
@lukewarm_fuzz2 ай бұрын
Backfire has been saying it forever, did a whole series on it...
@michaelhill64512 ай бұрын
It's true. A lot of the 100 yard targets I see at Public ranges look like a shotgun pattern. That said, I have a Tikka CTR that has literally never shot a 5-shot group 1 MOA or larger.
@5nyper2 ай бұрын
@@michaelhill6451why stop at 5? Do 10 and 20 to see the real dispersion of your rifle
@o2wow2 ай бұрын
Yup, the target frames take a real beating and I always find used targets without holes. 😅
@michaelhill64512 ай бұрын
@@5nyper If I want to fully vet a load, I usually do 6 5-round groups and aggregate into a 30 round group based on point of aim. Doing 5 rounds at a time gives the barrel a chance to cool.
@thinusdry54392 ай бұрын
Thank you Eric. As a South African hunting guide I always try to get clients within 300 yds for a shot. In the bush never over 150 yds. Absolutely hate the videos being circulated about all the long range shots, never see the videos with all the wounding though. Well done sir.
@mrh68252 ай бұрын
I grew up a city kid, never had any clue about hunting until i joined the Army and tried it for the first time with a buddy and his dad. He taught me a lot, and one of his major lessons was no matter the caliber always take your shots within 250 yards. He said if youre starving.....then dont shoot past 200 yards. 25 years later i remember all his lessons and they still apply. Thanks Mr. Schumann.
@Alan.livingston2 ай бұрын
It almost like people try to replace the skill of stalking with fancy gear so they don’t have to put the work in.
@janelleshortreed20302 ай бұрын
I agree to a certain extent. Mountain hunting for goats and stone sheep though long shots are the norm.
@le3045acp2 ай бұрын
@@janelleshortreed2030 nobody hunts those animals because they are hungry those animals are hunted for sport only ethical hunting is for food any hunting for just to kill a animal so you can say i killed it is NOT ETHICAL PERIOD
@JimYeats2 ай бұрын
@@le3045acp I think if you harvest it legally and eat and use the parts you can then it’s as ethical as reasonably possible. If you were in an unregulated post-apocalypse you wouldn’t care if it was a deer or a big horn sheep. Nobody hunts deer legally because “they’re hungry” either. Let’s just be honest here.
@X-ForceBro2 ай бұрын
@@le3045acpsure it is ethical we just don't like to think of what ethical really is
@colinkobel28682 ай бұрын
One of the guys stated that he only takes a 300 yd shot at most. That is an ethical hunter. It’s one thing to shoot at long range targets that don’t move. But, to shoot past a comfortable distance where you are confident, shows a real lack of respect for the animal. Thanks for proving the point!
@russr2 ай бұрын
last i checked, a kill zone on a deer is bigger then 5"
@NorthRiverGuide2 ай бұрын
@colinkobel2868 that's just a guy who hunts within his abilities, on game he is comfortable to 300yds. All that is proven is that 1 individual's personal limit is 300yds.
@lancekrystoff96192 ай бұрын
@@NorthRiverGuide B-B-But… Because I can’t do it or am not comfortable with it, that means it’s unethical and shouldn’t be done, right?
@matthewtracy87442 ай бұрын
In 30 years, my longest shot on game is under 250yds. I don't want to wound anything and have to track it. I want them to drop and still be in sight.
@trogdor1832 ай бұрын
If 300 is ethical, with a 500 yard shot with a 1 moa rifle you're only adding two inches. ELK vital zones are way larger than 5 inches. If you can shoot 1 moa, than you can make an ethical 500yd shot. All of these guys would have killed this ELK except the dude who missed.
@tonystewart72872 ай бұрын
Most expensive rifle here “You can edit that out for my wife” 😂😂😂
@emeralddrgn42 ай бұрын
And not edited out....ouch!
@DoubleTap11152 ай бұрын
As a hunter, I agree for the most part. #1 These are not hunting rifles. #2... 1 MOA is not required to consistently harvest animals. #3 you're correct I have witnessed many hunters sight in with over 20 rounds and when they hit a paper plate they think they are good. #4 let's get some real hunters and rifles out here. #5 nobody in the world can hit 1 MOA at 500 yards 100% of the time. #6 I believe nobody should be shooting at game even elk or moose size over 500 yards. Many have but, but doesn't mean they should.
@MrJunior820062 ай бұрын
Your #5 couldn’t be more true. Especially cold bore having no fired a shot that day. To me when someone says they are shooting 1MOA at 500yds I assume they are talking about grouping of 1MOA or less bc I’m strictly a long range target shooter bc rifles are illegal here in Ohio. But just changing it to saying “can you hit a 1MOA target, one shot, cold bore” changes it dramatically. I can shoot sub MOA groups all day, but not many guys on earth can pick up their rifle and go dial to 500 yds and hit a 1MOA target first shot let alone repeating that feat numerous times.
@motorboater2112 ай бұрын
#6 these are all prone shots and personally I’ve never been fortunate enough to be in a position to shoot prone while hunting big game.
@caldera68692 ай бұрын
@@motorboater211 Very true. Not on a single one of my hunts would the small Atlas style bipods used by all these shooters have provided enough elevation to take a shot. I carry trigger sticks and any supported shots I have been able to take were kneeling or standing off the sticks.
@groverstreet71282 ай бұрын
@@DoubleTap1115 I had a primary marksman instructor in marine corps boot camp that put 3 rounds open sight standing at 500 yards that you could cover with a dime. He had a recruit go get it and he covered it with a dime. He was also a scout sniper at one point in his marine corps career. But most people could not do it for sure.
@patrickmack48132 ай бұрын
I'm old school too, but todays hunting rifles aren't yesterday hunting rifles. Just because its in a chassis doesn't mean it isn't a hunting rifle. Of course the ar isn't a hunting rifle. They apparently just spend more than you do.
@JohnDoe-hu9ve2 ай бұрын
Erik, I applaud you for broaching the topic - because the problem is real and there is a growing number of "hunters" who are nothing more than professional wound merchants because they want to brag about how far they shot AT a critter. I take your idea and go one step further - whatever range I can hit the kill zone 9/10 times at the range means that I can confidently shoot HALF that distance while hunting. So if I can dependably hit that target at 500 yards on the range then I am 'good' to engage a critter while hunting at 250 yards. Also, as you well know - just because you can hit a target @ 500 yards prone does NOT mean you are free to fling bullets at that distance from any position (seated, kneeling, tripod assisted, etc). People need to do better and stop trying to kill stuff so you can brag about it online. Hunt ethically. Hunt Quietly.
@randysmith86042 ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-hu9ve I agree for the most part. I don’t post anything I harvest. The post draws bad attention plus the long shooting . Only a few actually practice that far. I would venture to say more miss then wound.
@Grinstopher2 ай бұрын
I'm from Germany and we have highly regulated hunting in our country. We also have statistics on who shoots what at which distance. Virtually nobody shoots at anything above 150m (165 yards). The average, if I remember correctly, is around 85m (90 yards). Hunting license exam includes target shooting at 100m (110 yards) and you have to hit around 2 MOA consistently five times in a row, from a standing position (supporting hand grabs a vertical wooden stick and rifle rests on the back of that hand). Since all German hunters are evidently capable of getting that close to the animal and reliably kill it, it is considered unncessary and thus unethical to shoot at anything further away. There are entire internet message boards full of German hunters talking about the weird US habit of wanting to kill things from 500 or even 1000 yards away.
@russr2 ай бұрын
last i checked, a kill zone on a deer is bigger then 5"
@BBTiller2 ай бұрын
@@Grinstopher This is where we are headed in the U.S. with all these people virtue signaling stuff like this. What is next, bow hunting…trapping?
@randysmith86042 ай бұрын
@@Grinstopher that’s really cool. If you made those rules in the state I live in the success rate would be less than .05 percent. The majority of shots are 200 yards. Plus we have a very short season. I’m not saying we all should be shooting far.
@Lemur702 ай бұрын
I love this challenge. Fantastic that it's a cold bore shot because in hunting it's generally 1 shot out of cold bore. Wonderful seeing the young boy shoot. Absolutely made the video for me.
@DM-w5o2 ай бұрын
Love this. I grew up hunting in WY. Killed my first mule deer with iron sights at 130 yards. At 200 and beyond, wind calls are critical, especially in WY. My dad told me that if I had to take a shot, on any game, beyond 250, I didn’t know how to hunt.
@phild98132 ай бұрын
I agree with your dad, generally speaking. I also live in Wyoming.
@rickyflinchum29092 ай бұрын
Your dad was 100% correct on that statement
@onealjones90392 ай бұрын
You have a good dad. 👍
@johnwurfel28622 ай бұрын
Some people don't have resources to keep shots that close. Time, money, and needs outweigh the "sport" of the pay to hunt game. How many animals did the Indians lose?
@davejones39232 ай бұрын
Well said, your Dad is a smart guy !!
@williamgaines97842 ай бұрын
"The deer was long f'ng gone" is the truest statement. 👍👍 The coolest would be to have a front berm, or a trench, that the target rises from at a random point along the backstop and it is only there for 20 seconds. You have 5 "chances" but may shoot only once, can shoot more if you take shot on any chance before fifth and score, but misses erase all prior scores and negate further "chances". It could be done at successively longer ranges from 100 to 500. Of course, looking at everyone's glistening arms, you would need a water truck available to stay hydrated during the session.
@NBKarmwrestling2 ай бұрын
This is what I love to see on KZbin in the gun world. Practical stuff that kills myths and people's perceptions. That being said......"In all honesty, the deer was long fuckin gone by now" had me ROLLIN. Cheers Erik
@deeeeeeps2 ай бұрын
Oh cool- I follow your arm wrestling channel and live in MN too :)
@NBKarmwrestling2 ай бұрын
@@deeeeeeps wild dude!!! Thanks for the support!
@armassassinstrengthshop2 ай бұрын
Hey man…ive never been beat in armwrestling!
@NBKarmwrestling2 ай бұрын
@@armassassinstrengthshop psssshhhh. I'd smoke you bro. You probably have weak ass grip.
@completesystemfailure46692 ай бұрын
The kid was spectacular . Bringin em up right Erik .
@beaugoodman89942 ай бұрын
Love the video. Craziest group of deer hunting rifles I've ever seen in 30+ years of hunting
@gregorteply9034Ай бұрын
Not really deer hunting rifles 😊
@jerryhammack13182 ай бұрын
As a former big game guide and hunter. Most professional hunters never take shots at game past 400 yards . Unless they are completely comfortable with it. In the time I guided only 3 were confident in taking a shot ethically at game past that . And all of the 3 had extensive experience in predator or pest control . Foxes , ground hogs or prairie dogs. And were very proficient at shooting small game at very long range . Big game was easy for them. And most actually went hunting coyotes or prairie dogs for the secondary part of their hunts for fun and true bragging rights ! Jack rabbits at 600yds with a 300 winchester 😂😂! It was amazing. But in real big game hunting you are there for a trophy not wasting thousands of dollars to get a wounded shot up animal! They usually stalked up to what they were comfortable with and made ethical one shot kills ! Thank you Eric for the clarification of what that actually means!
@seandrake75342 ай бұрын
That's what I'm saying I'm not taking one of these guys prairie dog hunting with me
@clemoniiiАй бұрын
Yep, hunting is about "getting closer" and being ethical enough to let the game walk if you can't.
@smacfe2 ай бұрын
Fantastic video! Thank you for doing this. The overwhelming majority of shooters/hunters have egos WAAAY bigger than their skill level. It’s important that there is a distinction between hunting scenarios as opposed to a LR target session. There is also a difference between hunting and sniping. I hunt by stalking an animal. This means that I am not shooting from a well established position, and have only seconds to prepare and take the shot, usually from a shooting stick/ monopod. I would never take a shot over 300 yards, and generally try to shoot at 200 yards.
@michaelangelino31892 ай бұрын
I shoot twice a week currently. Shooting my own reloads out of a TL3, 6 Dasher in a foundation with a trigger tech diamond and a vortex razor. Rifle shoots 109 Berger at 2870. My range has steel out to 750. So that’s the furthest I have shot in a controlled environment. With all that being said, not real sure I could do it either yet my rifle just printed a .166 followed up with a .204 this morning. But only at a hundred. They put big giant steel plates out there and most guys can’t even get within 2-3 feet without a few shots to get it right. So I see this all the time and as hunting season prep is gonna start taking shape in the next month or so, the range will be packed. I’m always amazed as a guy who used to focus heavily on hogs, deer and occasionally elk, at the number of guys who can’t shoot a 5” group at 100 but are trying to hit Volkswagen size steel at 750 and wondering why they are missing. Gear and lots of practice could make that hunt a lot more enjoyable to them. I end up feeling pretty bad for all the damn game I know is about to get gut shot, or worse, after watching these guys in action. I am not perfect, and anyone can make a bad shot, but I certainly don’t want to take a shot and wound an animal if at all possible. Doo doo happens, as they say. But if more hunters could see this video, it would be a hell of a coming to Jesus moment. Or should be anyways. Thanks Erik.
@georgetaylor62532 ай бұрын
Well done Eric! I manage a gun club. The above comments are spot on. You would be amazed (probably not) at the number of folks that come to the range to "check" their rifle. They put up a paper plate at 100 and if they can hit it, call it good! Disgusting. Makes me feel sorry for the deer.
@Deanosaurous2 ай бұрын
I grew up hunting on a lease where we had hunters from Houston drive up. The vast majority of shots were within 100 yards. They all still missed so often. One guy shot 7 times at 4 deer in one weekend. He swore up and down his rifle was off. It wasn't. Whenever they would miss, they'd greatly exaggerate the range. "It was out at 300 yards!" When in reality it was around 120 yards. If they ever did manage to contact the animal, I usually had to track it quite a ways. Then they'd curse that it was their rifle, "Don't got enough knockdown power". Next season they'd be back with an even bigger magnum.
@Russ1tonram2 ай бұрын
That's always the answer you can't control the one you have effectively so go " BIGGER" LOL. WRONG!
@georgerucker92632 ай бұрын
That was old gentleman jack and jack Daniels. Those 2 Jack's have saved many many deer
@jaydunbar75382 ай бұрын
I know the type, “but I never miss”. I haven’t missed a deer yet but I missed a thousand squirrels before I ever shot at a deer lol
@rogerf72652 ай бұрын
In all of the years that I've hunted the farthest shot that I've even seen anyone successfully taken was 538 yards. It was taken by my dad on a Roosevelt Elk that was standing absolutely broadside with only a slight head on breeze. He was shooting a .338 Win Mag with a perfect rest and the first shot was in the vitals and it just stood there like it wasn't hit so he shot it again and took out its shoulder. Both 225 grain Nosler Partitions were recovered and had excellent penetration. That was the longest shot at the biggest bull that he had ever taken and wasn't the norm for our hunting with most shots being taken in within 300 yards or so but he wanted to get it before it disappeared into the timber.
@JerryandSharronHolland2 ай бұрын
I like the concept, but no realistic hunting rifles in sight. I do love the content on this channel.
@sjohnson17762 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic challenge Eric! 500 yards is a long way to be shooting at a deer sized target. To be fair, all except the last guy with the AR put kill shots down range. Now run the same challenge at unknown distance. That would certainly be a challege!
@turbo32coupe2 ай бұрын
I remember a story about an old buffalo hunter who was shooting at a herd of antelope at over 1000 yds with a 45-110 buffalo gun. He stated that he hit more than he missed. An argument went back and forth between various writers of that time, that it wasn't possible vs. it could be done. When the hunter was finally confronted about his claim, he said: "I said I hit more than I missed. There was a huge herd and they were all standing close together, so most of the shots hit one of them."
@Kyrimfireandhobbies2 ай бұрын
Let’s see the true hunting rifles.
@kazimierzspaczynski74012 ай бұрын
Tikka lt. In 308. 200 yards or come as close as possible to the deere.
@Bob_Adkins2 ай бұрын
If someone tried to hunt with most of those rifles, they would be huffing and puffing in rough country. Maybe they're OK for a deer stand right off the road, but not stalking.
@ExtremeUnction19882 ай бұрын
These are all super accurate 6mm comp rifles. Imagine using something else!
@NorthRiverGuide2 ай бұрын
What is a "true hunting rifle"?
@Bob_Adkins2 ай бұрын
@@NorthRiverGuide Something you can sling over your shoulder and hike all day without having a stroke.
@jefferywilliams76872 ай бұрын
Outstanding video. None of these are practical guns to hunt with the mountains. So well said. I teach Hunters Ed and guide hunters. It always impress me more if a hunter can stalk and take an animal at close range.
@josephjulian25032 ай бұрын
I believe the vast majority of hunters are incapable of hitting that 1 MOA target in the field. Doesn’t mean they’re incapable of cleanly taking game, but 1 MOA @ 500 is a pipe dream for the vast majority of hunters. A 9” dinner plate maybe, but no way 1 MOA for the vast majority. Good demonstration.
@carfvallrightsreservedwith66492 ай бұрын
Wouldn't 1 MOA at 500 yards be a hit within a 5 inch target?
@zakknight73712 ай бұрын
@@carfvallrightsreservedwith6649yes, so 2 MOA in the field. Most hunters aren't cognizant of the range to kill-zone size correlation with regards to long range. Now add field conditions and constraints into the equation, and figure a good (let alone average) shooter would feel pressed to hit 3MOA @ 100 yards. That's 300 yards max without a stationary rest of some sort.
@zakknight73712 ай бұрын
That's just shy of 2MOA, still not easy without a solid rest.
@jasonshults3682 ай бұрын
2 MOA is plenty good for deer to 500 yards. Easy.
@mikesmith68382 ай бұрын
I know 1 MOA at 500 is WAY outside my ability! So, yeah, I'd never take that shot in the field; even if ol' Moses is staring me down.
@R1Kyle2 ай бұрын
Eric: Do you ever hunt long range? Clarke: Only in between recess and lunch!
@travisminton21412 ай бұрын
That kid made an impressive shot! Probably a lot better than I could with that same rifle.
@joearledge12 ай бұрын
Clark did amazing! Better than most shooters 4 times his age! I love these challenges Erik. You should consider doing some youth's only challenges.
@carriekelly30822 ай бұрын
He’s a pretty incredible kid❤
@stgraves260Ай бұрын
I didn’t see anyone check for wind. That’s crazy. This is good practice. I set up a 12” Target with a 2.5” circle in the center. Every year before my hunt I verify all my reloads and their drop data at 800 yards. If I don’t get 3 for 3 in a 2.5” circle at 800 yards then I start over from scratch. I’m pretty tuff on myself. If im shooting on a live target I want a good clean kill. This was a great video. If you want to get better, practice, practice, practice!!! Thanks for sharing.
@audiogod29292 ай бұрын
I had 2 friends in this video and I think you did an amazing job of making them look good.. keep up the good work.
@JH-40582 ай бұрын
That’s cool you let the guy for the follow up that’s part of the learning process. Nice
@lovethehuntOutdoors2 ай бұрын
As you may know if your scope is not sighted for the cold bore shot which most do not sight in for, it's almost impossible to hit at 500 yards.
@proxr440pilot2 ай бұрын
Now imagine when you start adding stipulations….lighter guns, field type positions, time limits.
@foonus4062 ай бұрын
8LB Magnum rifle with no muzzle brake.
@Josh-uf1rv2 ай бұрын
@@foonus406well that’s dumb lol
@beyondtwominutes2 ай бұрын
@@Josh-uf1rv agreed!
@foonus4062 ай бұрын
@@Josh-uf1rv No suppressor is dumb but its's law in Canada, thank our backwards politics. There are many hunters that pay upwards of $5000 to buy exactly that. Any one of the top end carbon fiber Fierce rifles will get you in that weight category.
@fnord52 ай бұрын
Lol no kidding. I'd be able to drill that with my 6.5 chassis gun, but I doubt I'd be able to with a strictly hunting rifle
@InsaneGeraldo2 ай бұрын
I've personally witnessed my father shoot a deer and drop it cold at 600 yards with a Remington 700 chambered in .270 and a cheap buckmaster scope in the plains of ND. He shot from an elevated position on a hill. He was a former Marine.
@RaymondTusk742 ай бұрын
I used to echo what I heard many say and set my fence at 400 yards. I was an ignorant novice and I wounded a magnificent bull elk at my max range. I thought I was good, I’m 20x better now and still wouldn’t shoot that far again. Far too much is out of your control unless you are a truly exceptional marksman, which almost no one is.
@ryanburnham19322 ай бұрын
I primarily hunt Moose now and have had all my shots within 200 yards, which means I have about a 6 MOA kill zone. If conditions were right and had no way to stalk the moose, for example across a pond/swamp with sunlight disappearing soon, I would probably go up to 300. That said I have also never needed a follow-up shot, had a moose go more than 20 yards, or found a heart when gutting them. (I have harvested 6 moose)
@hopewilliams67052 ай бұрын
Well that's a 12in circle at 200 I would hope so.
@ryanburnham19322 ай бұрын
@hopewilliams6705 that was my point, ethically speaking I won't take shots I can make when I am hunting to ensure I have a fast clean takedown if something is a little off or the animal moves at the last second.
@zakknight73712 ай бұрын
@@hopewilliams6705how many shots do you think you could hit off-hand, on a target that size? I'm a dammed good shot, and without a solid rest that's not exactly an easy shot to take.
@orr89rocz2 ай бұрын
Love these challenges. This just shows how much you need to practice and know your rifle and load and how to read conditions. And even then its not a given. See alot of channels proud of ~3/4” groups on long range rigs but to me that isnt good enough when trying 500+ on game. It almost never holds as wind and shooter form usually grow those dimensions.
@patrickgjorven78322 ай бұрын
This was a few years ago at my local shooting range. A lot of people zeroing rifles for their hunts coming up including a neighbors shooting lane who was prepping for his first ever deer hunt. We made some small talk during the day, and me having some experience in North Dakota gave him a little advice. Midway through a session, a yearling pronghorn antelope ran directly into the shooting lanes between the 100 and 200 yard stands. The RO yelled to ceasefire and everyone stopped. Bringing up my binos, I then asked the fellow as we were watching it, "could you make that shot?" He thought about it for a few seconds and said, "that's pretty far, soI don't think so". With a big smile on my face I told him, "that's the absolutely correct answer! Shooting an animal is a totally different ballgame than shooting steel or paper!"
@mikaelhovberg42582 ай бұрын
Thank you Eric for your videos. I have allot of shooting experience from the military but it’s completely different kind of shooting. I learn a lot from your videos. Thank you for that!
@jamesmooney53482 ай бұрын
This is great Erik. Very cool and appreciate this! Reality is what we need!
@sparksandchips2 ай бұрын
Excellent video! As a former F class shooter and shot a couple PRS matches my limit is 200 yards…. In Mississippi I hear a lot of people who drt at 500 but I question their ability to range a target.
@idahomountainfamily89732 ай бұрын
Many of the hunters i see here in Idaho will be at the range october 5th with their savage axis, remintington 700, ruger american shooting over the counter ammo to zero their rifles. These are the common hunters that need to do this challenge. They are hunting for fun and arent spending lots of cash to do it. These are the hunters making these type of shots on october 10th on the mule deer opener. I always hear shot after shot on opening morning, which im sure are followup shots at deer that are "out of range" for these hunters. The average joe hunter will not make this shot ethically.
@philipsteele57042 ай бұрын
I love this challenge as well Erik, very informative about long range shooting/hunting.
@jaymiller3932 ай бұрын
All the PRS guns….. 😂
@dougwilkinson-uq3xr2 ай бұрын
You couldn't pack most of these guns on a western deer or elk hunt!
@nagol882 ай бұрын
Yeah I feel like if this was an accurate challenge it would be limited to hunting rifles. I know there will be all kinds of dudes saying they carry their 22 lb foundation custom rifle hunting. But yeah. At least a weight limit.
@jamesash57922 ай бұрын
Exactly what I thought 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@jamesash57922 ай бұрын
We'res all the 700 bdl 30/06s and 110 300win LMAO proof 7k rifles are not any better then Ruger American 😂😂😂 for hunting
@nathanakins60722 ай бұрын
If success is this low with proper competition rifles you can expect even worse out of 99% of hunting rifles.
@Lacquerhead-TX2 ай бұрын
1 MOA is way harder than people think.
@ScottBFree2 ай бұрын
Hitting that 1 MOA target at range can be very difficult even with a rifle/load that shoots sub MOA. I think a lot of people don’t realize that because they are focused more on group size than perfect shot placement.
@DN-kz7xl2 ай бұрын
This is so important that people should learn ethical hunting. I met a person bragging how his grandson kills rockrabbits with a breakneck airgun. How many had been wounded with gutshots and scurried away to die agonizingly? Not ethical imo.
@1jacquesnel2 ай бұрын
I have been hunting for the last 25 years here in South Africa and my longest kill shot was at 315m shooting another hunters wounded buck. Ethical hunting requires the hunter to make a one shot kill with confidence. If you can only shoot 1moa at 100m and do not know your rifle's bullet drop at longer ranges, then you should ethically not take a longer than 100m shot. As a dedicated hunter, l limit myself to a max of 250m. I know my bullet drop up to 500m but I will only shoot a long shot if I cannot get closer to a wounded buck or if the sun will set before we can get closer to the wounded buck. Here in Africa a buck will give you 2 to 5 seconds max before it moves. Erik, this is a great test to show hunters what is ethical and realistic in the hunting environment. You should give them a 5 second time limit for the shot.
@fallrivershooters1212 ай бұрын
I have the same target but with a 10” swinger. In reality, there are lots of spots outside that 10” swinger that would also be kill shots. Like you said, they’d all have been ethical kill shots but one. I think a 10” swinger would be more realistic and having them do it from different yardages and positions. But that is a lot of additional effort, so I can see why you did it that way.
@caldera68692 ай бұрын
Love this! Thank you for doing this video. As someone who enjoys long range shooting, but also has a deep respect for our large game, this is drill every hunter should run pre-hunt to determine their max range shot with their rifle. Share this and help fix the culture of takings shots well beyond your ability! Part of the sad reality is many hunters do not have easy access to shoot at ranges with anything close to this distance.
@rebel1988yota2 ай бұрын
Love watching your videos and agree with the point your making. That said, you don't have to be a MOA shooter to hunt. Lots of factors that go into when and where to take a shot. We shoot a lot and I would say me and my son have a few rifles that consistently shoot 1/2 MOA. We will take 500 yard shots on game.....but only under ideal circumstances and with appropriate gear. Hunters need to know their limitations and be realistic with shots that are presented. By the way.....Love the target and have already looked up the company. I wish they made them in 1/2" so it would handle up to 338 lapua. Still may have to purchase a couple of the whitetail targets for the property / shooting range.....super cool.
@jof3932 ай бұрын
Great video! And an even better question! Just last season, I passed a 200 yard shot on a VERY nice buck, with MY OWN rifle. I hadn't practiced at that range with that particular rifle and couldn't squeeze the trigger!
@briansteele13782 ай бұрын
I like how you mentioned that the kill zone is larger than 1 MOA, but people need to take into account that their grouping is naturally going to open up with adrenaline, animal taking a step when the shot breaks, etc. So in a controlled environment, I totally agree that the "ethical kill zone" on a target needs to be smaller than that of actual size.
@ericanderson10102 ай бұрын
Being comfortable with your rifle and practicing cold bore shots gets you 1st round on target a lot more. Something I have found with my custom barrels at distance, quite often, 1st shot on, 2nd shot slow 0.5-1.0 moa low, then following shots moving back up to 1st shot POI as barrel and chamber warm up.
@mattp41592 ай бұрын
I’ll point out that 4 out of 5 shooters cold bore shots would have killed the deer. The .223 has lowest BC of all of them and was most likely to miss. Each hunter has the responsibility to know his shooting system and have practiced enough to decide if he can put a shot in the kill zone. Most need a lot more practice but a few have invested the time and money in equipment and are ethically able to consistently kill animals at that range and beyond.
@ronws20072 ай бұрын
If you read back up in the replies, the guy with the .223 posted. He and the others had shown up for the Blackjack Challenge and were all of a sudden given this opportunity. If he had known there would be a hunter's challenge, he would have brought a rifle he normally carries for hunting. Rifles can be built for different jobs.
@Theblackduck242 ай бұрын
Love your channel and the 500 yard challenge. Would you ever do a 500 yard challenge using STOCK factory rifles? For instance 308, 6.5 and so on with no mods ecluding scopes and bipods, ammo being optiinal. I am starting to shoot sime long- ish range with my Savage axis 6.5 and just think it would be interesting to see what can be done with factory stock rifles. Thanks for the content and keep it up, i have learned a lot. Keep it centered my friend.
@Do-UR-Research27492 ай бұрын
With the exception of the miss over the top, all the hits were kill shots.
@donbenson52922 ай бұрын
If you have a 6.5 Creedmoor you can take em farther than that, so they say!! Thank Eric for setting some straight here. In the field shooting very different than off a bench. Off a bench at paper there is no "rush".. Ethical is knowing your limits.
@Do-UR-Research27492 ай бұрын
Kill zone of a deer is way larger than a MOA at 500 yards.
@deeeeeeps2 ай бұрын
Not an ethical one.
@54Rocketeer2 ай бұрын
These are target rifles and certainly not field conditions
@Do-UR-Research27492 ай бұрын
@deeeeeeps what exactly are you insinuating? Only heart shots are ethical? I'm not encouraging long-range hunting or supporting it. My point is that as much as long-range hunting may be unethical for most, a 5-inch kill zone is not a reality.. Ethically hunting at long range is way more technical and difficult, and there was no need to make it more difficult than it is already as displayed in the video. Erick could have just used a realistic killl zone and gotten the point across. These shooters were shooting at a known distance, had likely watched the previuos shooters, and were using target rigs more expensive than 80% of the rifle hitting the woods and could barely keep it in the kill zone. Point Proven! There was no need to put his finger on the scale.
@Do-UR-Research27492 ай бұрын
@deeeeeeps what exactly are you insinuating? Only heart shots are ethical? I'm not encouraging long-range hunting or supporting it. My point is that as much as long-range hunting may be unethical for most, a 5-inch kill zone is not a reality.. Ethically hunting at long range is way more technical and difficult, and there was no need to make it more difficult than it is already as displayed in the video. Erick could have just used a realistic killl zone and gotten the point across. These shooters were shooting at a known distance, had likely watched the previuos shooters, and were using target rigs more expensive than 80% of the rifle hitting the woods and could barely keep it in the kill zone. Point Proven! There was no need to put his finger on the scale.
@deeeeeeps2 ай бұрын
@@Do-UR-Research2749 Hearts are about 3" Over 5" You can easily miss a lung and the animal can run off and expire in a swamp 2 miles away. That is not ethical.
@Ringtail27325 күн бұрын
Thanks for doing this Erik! It really opened my eyes.
@mikecross24352 ай бұрын
The minimum cartridge should retain no less than 1000ftlbs @ 500yds.
@DM-w5o2 ай бұрын
For elk, I would say 1500.
@perrytilton52212 ай бұрын
Energy on target doesn't mean as much, rather what does the bullet do to your intended target. I've seen multiple people take down elk with 308, 7-08, 6.5 CM, and 243 Win. from distances farther than that. What about bow hunters? Antelope, elk, goat, moose, etc. is all about location. Hell, subsonic 8.6 BO has taken down moose and elk and that is 700 ft/lbs.
@Josh-uf1rv2 ай бұрын
“Minimum energy” is fud lore
@jimcheatham83062 ай бұрын
6mm 105 Bergers at 2900fps at the muzzle has 1070 foot pounds of energy at 500 yards.
@mikecross24352 ай бұрын
@@perrytilton5221 You are correct that energy isn't an "end all" fact. Arrows are much heavier then bullets and have more momentum because of it. Most bullets need 2k fps to open and enough momentum to carry through the vitals. I know it's a bit of an old wives tale but it's a number most people can get and understand.
@christaylor777232 ай бұрын
I think you hit the nail on the head here with the idea of what’s a realistic ethical distance, however if we are being fair that is essentially a heart shot at 500 challenge. Let’s see a heart shot and an actual vital zone success rate
@aulusflavius96352 ай бұрын
Exactly, and I purposefully miss the heart. The meat is too good.
@kylecrane4376Ай бұрын
This is a good way to humble a lot of people. a cold-bore shot will very often not land on your normal zero so you have to spend time with your rifle and and make notes (ammo dependent) on where that 1st shot lands. While I don't agree that 1MoA is the standard above which it's not ethical (I'd argue 1.5) but it definitely is good to remind people that hunting is not target shooting or even match shooting. You have one chance to get it right and 500yds is no joke even for people that have serious shooting chops. Realistically though, most guys there made deer killing shots just not perfect 1 MoA shots.
@dannydivine76992 ай бұрын
Excellent video, I wouldn't be able to make that shot on my best day!!! Looking forward to more episodes, very eye opening I believe.
@zacharyharwell3512 ай бұрын
Me and my dad never even cared to take game; we liked just being out in the woods in a hunting setting basically. With that said, I do wish there was a secondary ring for what was just a killzone shot for this challenge. 1 MOA for many shooters, cold-bore, is a rough challenge and as far as I understand it is more than necessary in terms of accuracy on target to drop the animal.
@jameshardinki5wlt5392 ай бұрын
We have a coyote target with a popper in the vitals that is roughly 1moa at 500yds. We decided to replicate this challenge, and no drought that it is tough. The problem we had was the wind reading. We load our own rounds and have range tickets out to 600 for hunting, and 1000 for target only. Our rifles are hunting rifles, Ranch owner was using his Remington 700 .308 with Zeiss scope and jewel trigger, mine is a stock Savage 110 in 6.5 cm, with Athlon Ares scope. The wind was calm when we first tried the challenge and hit the popper, went back out after doing some work around the ranch and the wind had picked up. I couldn't hit it with in 3 shots, my friend hit it after the 2nd shot. Our range is about 30yds wide through the woods off the back porch of the ranch house. The woods start at the 200yd mark. The range starts off running down hill off the back porch, levels out at the 200 mark and starts back up a gradual climb at the 250 mark. At the 400 mark we have a road that crosses the range the wind can get a little tricky past there. This was a humbling experience. We would love a chance to come down to your place and take the challenge or have you come to our place and try it on our range. Anyway we love your content and find your videos very informative. Thank you.
@myrealname20222 ай бұрын
I appreciate this video. Being out west I usually have to shoot at medium distance because you can’t sneak up on anything. All my deer I have harvested though have been 190-300 yards max which gets me safely within a safe 2 moa buffer. And I shoot cold bore 4 round group at .874 moa on bench rest. So in the field I know I’m at best going to be able to get myself a 2 moa position and hold at best.
@jimcheatham83062 ай бұрын
6mm 105gr. Bergers with a muzzle velocity of 2900fps has 1070.9 foot pounds of energy at 500 yards....for everyone saying their 6mm wasn't enough gun.
@IanRobinson-y4o18 күн бұрын
Hi Erik, In New Zealand the NZ Deer Stalkers Association use a target called the Wilkinson's Target for this type of match. This is a similar silhouette of a deer but without any specific aim point , because deer normally don't have those. It is painted all the one colour and forces the shooter to determine where and how to place the shot for ethical hunting. There is normally a 5 shot groups and scoring is done with a template. Shooting can be done from different ranges from standing, kneeling, sitting and prone. I believe every hunter should give this a go before they decide what an ethical shot is for them. I've been shooting and hunting all of my life and I couldn't believe how difficult this is. Cheers for the excellent series.
@ErikCortina17 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@craigguinn54232 ай бұрын
Well, I bought a Cooper 30-06 when they were good, Swarovski 1.7-13. We have a 600y range, so I trained to .25” at 100y. And went out to 600 at 6” with an electronic target. I ran about 500 through it to settle the barrel and get comfortable. Anyway Wyoming mule deer, adjusted the scope drop for the altitude. First morning pull around a curve and see four bucks pretty far out. We range them at 490 and guide says drop out of the jeep and shoot the second from left. Prone on bipod dial up to 5 and back 1, red dot center low behind shoulder. Squeeze and good sight picture, deer drops without a step. High heart and double lung, very close to aim point, maybe an inch. He measures]d about 175. Basically the shot took nine months of development planning. YMMV.
@craiglafosse80862 ай бұрын
I learn some great stuff from you however i do wanna add one thing. The velocity lof the ammunition will determine if that ammo will expand. Its important to know minimum impact velocity of the bullet your choosing. It may not expand that far.
@toolman90812 ай бұрын
I love this series! Hope to see more soon! Thus is putting into reality what I've heard you say for many years. Love it. Thank you for doing this.
@joshbenson2342 ай бұрын
Just got back from an antelope hunt. Clean shot straight to the heart at 500yds. Having the right equipment and the right shooter behind the rifle means a clean kill. The key to being able to do this is practice, practice, practice. Hit the range more often hunters!
@e.l.robbins56142 ай бұрын
If you can’t make the shot, or have never taken the shot don’t shoot. Great stuff Eric
@AttackorAdapt2 ай бұрын
This is 100%. Cliff Grey, who was an outfitter and guide has the same idea in a few of his vids. whereas he focuses on mountain conditions and hunting orientated rifles. Being practical with your skillset, though humbling, is certainly the way to go. I'm doing tests at the range with a few different rifles, but the same optic. Lots of dry firing before a shot gets fired just to get used to the feel again, even from the bench for each rifle. Which is something to keep in mind when heading into the field. Knowing your cold bore zero and choosing quality components for your conditions is pretty key. I'd maybe stretch to 350 370, if I had an excellent load and I was waiting set up down a bush cutline with no wind conditions. Even closer if possible, under 200 yards is ideal. Pretty rare to see 500 where I'm located, unless you're moose hunting by boat, or up above the treeline hunting caribou.
@codyway74242 ай бұрын
I started shooting f-class to improve my long range hunting ability. The better I became, the more I realized that "ethical long range" shots on game are a myth.
@wylde2232 ай бұрын
This is a better challenge. This is great. Spot on.
@WHOTEEWHO2 ай бұрын
This is a lot of fun!
@rickgeraci20272 ай бұрын
Hey Erik, Love you're show's and product line! This cold bore hunting challenge is another great idea! But as a 64 year old life long local competition shooter at 600 BR and 1000 yd matches with a full vault of custom high end competition and hunting rifle's I want to say this. These shooter's need to show up with a rifle that you can actually pack into the middle of nowhere and back out to hunt with. Say maybe under 14 lbs. Just to throw out a number for now. And they need to show up with enough velocity and down range energy to swiftly and humanly harvest that buck. I as a competition shooter and a lifelong hunter would love to see you do this. It would separate the real deal guy's from the wannabes. And as far as myself I can consistently stay on 3" round steel at 500 and 600 with about all my rifle's. Been building my own ammunition for almost 30 years. Hope that you get a chance to read this and ponder it.
@foonus4062 ай бұрын
Magnum cartridges only with 8LB maximum weight w/Scope. NO Brakes or Suppressors. I'd love to see it too. Being stuck in Canada we don't have the option to use suppressors to begin with. EC tuner (not brake) allowed! This is my 7PRC Fierce mountain reaper hunting rig that I can carry and shoot without ruining the hunt with a headache from having to wear ear protection all day. Yes.. load development with no muzzle brake was rough.
@WayStedYou2 ай бұрын
His point was probably hge knew almost no one would make it even with their fancy setups let alone a lightweight rifle you would actually take with you.
@russr2 ай бұрын
@@foonus406 what idiot shoots mag's at a deer?.... also, lots of us dont need to hike in with guns... im in ohio, the most i have ever walked with my gun for hunting is 2 to 300y and most of the time it was less then 100y. I shoot groundhogs all summer, and deer in the winter. the groundhogs are 5" to 12" and i have hundreds of kills from 300-900y. videos here... kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2qQf31sp7GWbbM&pp=gAQBiAQB if i could use those guns for deer, i have no issue killing at 600+ but im limited to a 450BM... so most of my kills have been at 200y
@rscottmccoy2 ай бұрын
When I hunted in Baudette, MN we routinely took deer from 300-500 yards with a .300 Weatherby Magnum. Those old Nosler ballistic tips were walking the dog at 3,200 fps and we never wounded a deer. Any round hitting in the lungs was a kill shot. I realize that shooting isn't for everyone. but after relocating farther south in the deep woods it took me a few years to get used to 100 yard shots with only 3-5 seconds to go from spotting a deer to site picture to squeeze when I was used to spending 5 minute lining up the shot I wanted across a field. With the right rifle, training and patience, 500 yards is not unethical.
@TheMrMused2 ай бұрын
This is a great idea, Erik! While I'm up here in NY, where "long range" is 350yds, 300-325 is my personal limit for an ethical shot with my 6.5CM. There are times where we're hunting smaller plots where the shot distance doesn't exceed 150yds. In those cases, I will occasionally bring an AR built for the purpose and use .223 Winchester Deer Season XP rounds. I wouldn't recommend that setup to new hunters/shooters (e.g. my younger kiddo's running a .243 for their first hunting rifle), but that AR will reliably put does in the freezer. 5.25" at 500 yards is a *small* impact point. Lots of skill overestimation when you've gotta do it with a cold bore.
@jk-kr8jt2 ай бұрын
Very nicely done Erik. I'd have liked to see a time eliment placed on the shot too. Game has a tendency to move. It's almost like they have 4 legs. Personally I don't dig the hyper long range hunting stuff. Bang away at paper, steel and stumps all you want but not at thing that bleed and die a horrible death. Add in the lack of woodmanship of being able to find that wounded game vs "must've missed, let's go kill something else". Many of us have spoken on this subject, but when a man with your shooting credentials actually demonstrates it, it give the subject a whole new prospective. Thank you. Cheers, Jeff
@jerrymoran83232 ай бұрын
Eric, Cold bore shooting should be the top of list, cold ammo, sighting in with conditions that may be encountered in area. When possible in region where hunting. Having flown in extreme weather, one learns the wind affect on objects in flight. This knowledge identifying objects on the ground blowing in the wind has aided me over time to hit objects at distance by holding to compensate. Constantly checking with bino’s the actions of anything affected ( grasses, loose soil, leaves , snow ) by wind and learn that affect on your bullets in flight. My experience is the high shoulder shot is lethal even when the animal moves it’s a miss or spine shot. What effect does temperature have on the cold shot, powder ignition? Wind, bullet weight, caliber, accuracy of firearm used. Elmer Keith once told me “ Beware of the guy with one gun, he likely knows how to shoot it” Eric, I did not hear the caliber of the guy that hit the red tag. Excellent encouraging the guy with the AR to redeem himself as deer do not always run after a shot is fired. I hope this reduces the poor choice of long range shots by those unprepared. Long overdue! Excellent!!!!!!
@xforce7082 ай бұрын
Good challenge. I think people get confused that they can shoot one MOA group’s fairly regular, I mean what I’m trying to say is we spend a lot to get a rifle that’s capable but to actually cold bore and hit one MOA takes a ton of work and knowledge for a cold bore one shot. I would like to se that again though with guys bringing more common hunting rifles and calibers. 28 Nosler, 300 PRC, 300 WIN MAG, 7mm REM Mag and maybe some legendary 30 06 or 270 Win. Surely they’d buck the wind a little better. I love these challenging videos. I think because as a Hunter and competitive archer it’s how I’ve practiced for decades. I take my bow out for weeks before deer season and take one shot at varying distances and shoot from positions I may hunt. Kneeling in a blind, sitting in a stand, standing in a stand, etc. As a competitive shooter that can make some really long shots and I was real surprised at how much that distance was cut when there’s no practice and you throw in the shooting positions.
@Pepe468732 ай бұрын
A 1 moa target is actually 1/2 moa. Perfectly zeroed if your off by more then 1/2 moa in any direction you would be off the target. With wind that’s an impressive hit
@aulusflavius96352 ай бұрын
Yep, and the kill zone on an average white tail is ~6 MOA so not so accurate all the way around.
@ronkay15732 ай бұрын
I’d never aim that low. I always aim for a medium to high shoulder shot. Plus an exit wound is what you want.
@larrycline21042 ай бұрын
Eric, thankyou for this much needed video. These long range snipers who shoot at living animals at extended distances have no respect for the animals. Question: Is this about the animal or is this about you? No place for that in ethical hunting.
@HaleFire72 ай бұрын
I know several of them lobbing rounds at elk at 800 yards plus and they've wounded and not tracked far more than they've bagged ethically. If you want to play pretend sniper, shoot steel.
@RedRooster442 ай бұрын
Great video!! Still think 300 yards is far enough. I mean most times the weather conditions are not on ur side. And only a hand full of times have I have got to shoot off the ground. Always off a T post or a tree or setting down trying to brace off the knee so I can see over the grass. I don’t really care for setting my gun in a tripod and look over our wheat field. Although my 7 year old did last year. But its safe and now he can’t wait until this year 👍
@colinarmstrong18922 ай бұрын
Well done Eric, great to see this being proved.
@NWoutdoorsman2 ай бұрын
Here in the Pacific North West the mountains and trees make it to where most shots are either less than 50 yards or in a clear cut where you are going to be 400 yard or more. You are almost never on the same elevation and have to adjust your dope accordingly. There is a 2500ft elevation change over the area we hunt in typically.
@NWoutdoorsman2 ай бұрын
That's also the reason why for blacktail or bear hunting the most common rifles you'll see are large magnums (300win mag, 7mm mag or 338mag) and a 30-30 lever action for when you're in the brush. Plus you can use the same setup when you hunt Roosevelt elk in elk season
@randysmith86042 ай бұрын
@@NWoutdoorsmanI shoot 300 win mag yup. Blacktail’s and Roosevelt elk. Custom reloads. My max is 500 yards. Yes I have taken several one shot kills at 500. Unfortunately I have a friend trying to do this and he can’t hit moa at 400. I tell him practice and don’t shoot past 200yards. I practice often. I am picky though to back myself up. I won’t shoot if it’s windy or if i can’t lay pron. max i shoot in bad conditions are 250. I refuse to wound an animal.
@fergusonlandmanagementweld10392 ай бұрын
Eric, have you ever talked to a KZbinr by the name "Desert Dog Outdoors?" He has been talking about this topic for a while and is a good source of ethical hunting videos. I think you should try and do a poscast with him.
@CorwinBos2 ай бұрын
Great video Erik. 1 minute target isnt as easy as everyone thinks. And when you are shooting in the field from imperfect positions, your group size will jump about 50%+. Not bad mouthing these guys, but a 6 Dasher or 6 BR? Thats fine if youre shooting varmints. But no way would I even attempt shooting a 300 lbs whitetail. Lets see some guys shooting actual hunting rigs, not competition rifles that weigh 20+ lbs.
@backfire2 ай бұрын
Cool challenge. Next time I’m out there, I’m packing the Mossberg Patriot 😀
@ErikCortina2 ай бұрын
#wrongammo 😂
@WHOTEEWHO2 ай бұрын
Awesome video
@TimberdamАй бұрын
Eric great challenge ! Doping wind is an Art Form !
@tonysambarАй бұрын
Hunted in four countries on three continents and never felt the need to shoot at more than 300 yards. My hunting tutors as a kid taught me to get as close as I could for a clean kill, which is a skill in itself.
@ASVABWAIVER11B2 ай бұрын
My buddies and I have a group called Cold Bore Country Boys. In order to become a member you have to hit a 5” plate cold bore at 500y. Many have tried. Many have failed. You only get one chance per range day to attempt it.
@sailorbishop2 ай бұрын
I recently did a hunting proficiency course in south africa - we had shots at 50m (55 yards) offhand, 100m (110 yards) seated rest,200m (220yard) rest, position of choice. The 50m and 100m we had no issues. at 200m, everyone had issues putting more than 3/5 shots into the heart/lung. calibers varied from .223 , .246, .308 and .303. i would not take a shot at 500 yards, especially in the african veld
@chrishendrix83612 ай бұрын
That was a great challenge. That definitely gives me as a hunter a perspective that I agree with for ethical shots.
@tlloyd93252 ай бұрын
I shot at a pronghorn at 557 and missed high. I didn’t figure in my elevation. It spooked, came up out of a wash, slight quartering to at 416. Didn’t miss that time. T/C Encore, 7mag, 140gr Barnes TSX, handload, Burris Signature 6-24.
@don_kandon60062 ай бұрын
Known elk guide, said he asked folks before going out their accuracy, everyone said 0.75-2 moa. Once hiking etc, when everyone was tired, he tested them. Mountain wind, tiredness, angles, not ideal position... everyone shot 4 moa and worse, at 100 yards if i recall correctly.