Euron Greyjoy; a character study - livestream with Ideas of Ice and Fire

What does Euron want? What is he actually like?
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[@madmann6723]

I think Euron's on screen character was one of the most poorly adapted from the book. He's super interesting and far more formidable than the cocky frat boy on screen.

[@dannabats]

For real they made him so pitifully troupe frat-boyish it made me sick.

[@isadora9773]

I agree, even tho he is a Dane like me xD

[@hez859]

@@isadora9773 the sad thing is the actor read the books and was a fan before the show even came out so he even said he was expecting to play "a dark lord pirate" so he was also disappointed lol

[@ahlayastar8672]

Love seeing Quinn here on your channel, Robert! You two should do more. Its a good combo!

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

Two of my favorite voices on KZbin, together in one stream lol, love it. Wish I would've been here on time, but love it either way, also a rare treat to see the lovely faces behind the awesome voices too, what a gem you both are, always love hearing these deep thoughts on ASOIAF, love how you moved on to book Euron so quickly bc show Euron kinda sucks lol 😂😂

[@RecklessCashflow]

Spend 7 minutes on show euron and over an hour on book euron, I love it.

[@letmetellyalilstory9122]

😂😂 Show Euron is trash

[@Anacronian]

I think dragon binder can only be blown by Valyrian's and Euron's plan is to get Dany to blow the horn not knowing Euron had bound the horn to himself, Thus stealing Drogon from Dany. Also I think Euron's Bloody eye is an actual piece of the Blood stone the Blood stone emperor used to worship.

[@childofpersia1213]

18:55 Psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made. So what Euron is depends on whether you think he was born evil or conditioned to be evil.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

He was written to be evil, so he's a psychopath.

[@three-eyedbro]

Child of Persia you’re exactly right. Judging by his behaviors as a child (sexual molestation of his little brothers) leads me to think psychopathy

[@Voldemartha]

I love Quinn's dark take on everything, he's great. It reminds me of why I fell in love with the story in the first place. Amazing stream and an amazing subject! You do well together, hope to see him back, or Robert on his stream.

[@onawal931]

He scared me... 1:10:44

[@katfishrick1600]

I think people might have blown the notion that GRRM only writes "grey" characters, and that no one is completely evil, out of proportion just a little. Some characters: Euron Greyjoy, The Mountain, Joffery, Vargo Hoat, Roose and Ramsay don't have even the slightest hint of a redeeming quality.

[@Voldemartha]

The text kind of hints that the mountain had a brain tumour that made him more violent than he otherwise would have been, but other than that I completely agree.

[@countpicula]

Voldemartha R medical issue or not he is evil. I think katfish is on point

[@sabrinakrisb4672]

I think when people refer to Martin's characters as "grey" that's not a statement meant to mean that they have redeeming qualities, if "redeeming qualities" means they have some element of hope/chance that they can become better in some way. It's more like they're not entirely personally responsible for how evil they are. It's implied characters like the Mountain, Joffrey, and Ramsey have some sort of mental condition that propels them into committing evil acts. Joffrey is the product of incest for example, and Ramsey is born a psychopath, etc. Does that redeem them? No, it merely provides a realistic, human explanation for the character's behavior and gets the reader to question the idea of morality.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

The "redeeming" quality for Euron is his iconoclasm regarding the established norms of Westeros, the ones we've spent multiple books learning are flawed and harmful - the mitigating elements of this, though, are that he's fucking daffy and realizes he's in a story, and thus because the "rules" don't really matter he's partaking in anything to satisfy his whims both long-term and immediate. It's good means carried to a terrifying end. It's the kind of progressive disregard for rigid societal structure we root for in Brienne, taken to an otherworldly extreme.

[@daveqm1024]

Roose is a psychopath, and Ramsay is a sadist.

[@annklavano]

I enjoyed the live stream very much. I am going to look back and write down the books that everyone was recommending in the chat. I would enjoy you or both of you doing a recommended books video.

[@dannabats]

Yes yes yes!

[@josephinewinter]

"Where do you see yourself in five years' time?" "God" haha

[@TheNorbyAKANorbz]

this was one of your best streams. A fascinating topic and your co-host had some brilliant insights. Ill have to give his channel a look

[@dannabats]

And you always have gueats im already subscribed too, cause good content in this community is hard to come by, and both yall have such soothing voices!

[@josegodoy8461]

Wonderful chat. Please make it a recurring thing. And do read HP Lovecraft on your other channel!!

[@bustercall5744]

Big major hint you may not have picked up in the books-- When Varmyr skinchanges the woman bites off her tongue. Euron cuts out tongues. Is this Georges way of saying Euron does this to have no defense against skinchanging them?

[@szymonitaherrero9737]

I noticed this parallel too

[@jackhill3273]

A bit late to comment, just wanted to say that is an interesting parallel I've never noticed before. Thank you.

[@onawal931]

In the show, it seems like Bran only wargs (?) Hodor when it's necessary. To defend themselves in essence. But in the books it sounds like he wargs into Hodor just when he's bored or wants to tag along. That is definitely not cool.

[@mduckernz]

Yeah. To me it is basically on the level of a deep violation - like a non-sexual psychological rape, if that makes sense. Definitely not cool at all :(

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

@@mduckernz Might be literal rape, too, if Bran decides to pull the pud after taking over.

[@gloriamitchell3518]

Please do more with Ideas of Ice and Fire. Good stuff!!

[@sunshinesilverarrow5292]

Thank you both! ☀️

[@dreamway9]

I have a couple thoughts on Blood raven and the impaled dreamers: One, that perhaps this is not only the dreamers that Blood raven contacted (not negating that he might have contacted Euron, just expanding this idea of how a current Three Eyed Crow might 'interview' prospects), but are of ALL the failed mortal, human prospects for succession. The second thing I was thinking is that perhaps Blood raven may have been the three eyed crow before being sent to the wall and beyond. This would add a reason as to why he was willing to make such a taboo decision and get sent there.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Here's the thing that I think a lot of people are kind of overlooking about the Euron character due to all of that viciousness and callousness and selfishness, but that I believe is really key to understanding the character's thematic place in the wider narrative - so far he's the only character that is not only completely un-moored from the various societal and cultural norms of Westeros, but flippantly opposed to them. While privately or internally a character may disregard certain social and cultural norms of either those around them or themselves, at the very least they outwardly pretend to respect them in order to get what they want - be it to play the game of thrones or just to scam some peasant of their valuables or what-have-you. Euron doesn't do this, at least, not convincingly. The Ironborn aren't dumb, they've made a deal with the devil at the Kingsmoot but they're taken in by Euron's sales pitch, which was heightened very much by its sheer presentation value. While Asha brought turnips and the Farwynds brought memes, he actually delivered the good which most directly play on that sense of Ironborn identity - but the red flags of Euron are self-evident - he is not like them. They know this, but despite Euron's disregard for established norms they still buy into it. That's how Euron wants to succeed - his means are just as important as his ends, he wants to divest the world of its established ritualism while he enriches himself - not simply enrich himself. He wants to cut all of the pomp and circumstance around the spirituality of Westeros and harvest the kernels of truth for his own benefit. Euron's most important element in regards of the larger story - as far as I am concerned - is this incredible sense of iconoclasm - it's like Euron KNOWS he's in a story, and so he doesn't take the rules seriously anymore. Like a Patchface with agency and malice. When Euron talks about the possibility of flying - that we could fly if perhaps we only tried. That the elders and authority figures who deny this could be utterly wrong, THIS is what he's talking about. Yes, it alludes to the Three-Eyed Birdy-boi - but it ALSO is a metaphor for the divesting and destruction of social and cultural norms. We constantly see people undone by trying to adhere to these Westerosi customs and codes of ethics and behavior and decorum, so here is an individual who refuses and defies - and THAT is fucking terrifying because the individual is EURON.

[@lanestapp2]

I find two major similarities between Euron, Bran, and even Rickon. It's said that the greenseers eyes are either red or green, but Bran has blue eyes like his mother along with Rickon, and Eurons good eye is also bright blue. They all share some sort of innate magic ability, but even more so at some point they all commit some sort of horrible actions but there are never any repercussions for them. They all have powers and are nearly literally capable of doing anything they want on top of that. They mirror the others in many ways.

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

Very interesting deductions, I never put it all together in that way before but it does make a lot of sense to see it that way, th thanks for sharing!!

[@somedegreeofsundown2338]

Euron's eye is stained from drinking shade of the evening.

[@lanestapp2]

Theon remembers his blue eye from before he was exiled.

[@sligiseesi5393]

dani getting the horn...it all went a bit kenneth williams there for a second

[@annaarwen4345]

Yay Quinn and Robert collab ❤My ears approve lol sorry I missed the livestreaming

[@anabento5029]

Was great to see your face @Ideasoficeandfire Quinn :) Like your videos. Thanks Robert for this video :)

[@santinoalvarado963]

I think that Euron is to ambiguous to survive the story unless he wins, which I don't think he will. I think he wants too much to settle for anything less than everything and he is also willing to do whatever it takes.

[@SagarsDeck]

The ending Quinn gave for Cersei and Euron's story is actually better than what season 8 did to them.

[@serhuntley81]

I don't think the 3EC and BloodRaven are the same. I think they are at odds with eachother and the 3EC got to Euron and BR got to Bran...kind of. Seems like they are still fighting for control. In one of Bran's dreams a weirwood keeps trying to get Brans attention and the crow starts pecking him and distracting him from interacting with it.... seems suspect to me...The crow is a Tricksy Bird.

[@markpjf85]

Good chat on book >euron 😃👍

[@majesticmicrobes60]

Maybe the golden company is tied to Varys, and really they’re coming to support dany, and using euron as a means of getting there. Show only of course.

[@stephenlott6968]

I think he's right about the souls dying when they fail the flying dream test. This makes Euron more dimensional and a more sympathetic character, whereas he's pure evil right now, (and we know GRRM doesn't create purely good or purely evil characters). This could also explain the purely evil actions of characters like Ramsey Bolton and The Mountain. If their souls all died in childhood, that could explain their bad acts, plus it makes them multidimensional and sympathetic to the reader, while keeping GRRM's character rules intact.

[@victoriasantoro6692]

Euron is probably the Bloodstone Emperor no2 and he wants also to become Azor Ahai by sacrificing his pregnant salt wife ..The Bloodstone Emperors myth and the Azor Ahai myth they have so much similarities ..[1]Both wanted the ultimate power at their hands..AA wanted the Lightbringer for to defeat the others and the Bloodstone Emperor wanted the Throne of the Gemstone Empire for himself ..[2]both killed their sister wives for to receive the ultimate power ..AA killed nissa nissa for to be god and the Bloodstone Emperor killed the Amethyst Empress for to take her Throne and to worshiped by the peoples as a god via this mysterious Black Oily Stone he worshiped as the ultimate power..and [3]both caused the Long Night ..AA stabbed Nissa Nissa in the heart and she screaming during her death left a crack to the moon that broken and then the world fell into doom[without moon in the sky there cannot be light in the Night] and the Bloodstone Emperor killed the Amethyst Empress and caused the Long Night with his magical powers and the Lion of Night and the Maiden of Night[the Lions wife] cursed the peoples with death and destruction [see Quins video about the Lion of the Night]..This surely shows in us that AA wasnt the hero of the story[as the Red Priests manipulate the humans to believe] ..but the Villain of the story and it was the Bloodstone Emperor actually ..an Antichrist type figure ..And this in our story ALL TIES TO EURON ..who fit the bill for this dark AA/Bloodstone Emperor who killed his wife for to receive ultimate power and to be god..Euron is going to do the same with his wife [to kill her]for to receive the Ultimate Power there,causing the 2cond Long Night , be King of Westeros and AND TO BE WORSHIPED AS A GOD AKA AS NEW AZOR AHAI .See the similarities between those 3[AA/Bloostone Emperor/Euron]..Is like the Dark Holy Trinity of the ultimate Evil..The Great Other/Rhilor in our story.

[@austinbrandt7635]

"Dany gets the horn....so to speak." lolol

[@countpicula]

Now this, this is a good show.

[@somedegreeofsundown2338]

Assuming the V.S. armor fits Euron well, it would only fit someone approximately of the same size. Unless they have a breast plate stretcher.

[@nolaanderson8770]

Theon declined a rescue attempt by Yara, then returned to her missing a few pieces. Yara will probably reunite with Theon, minus a piece of anatomy. Like Theon, Yara will likely have her "tool for pleasing women" cut off. But, this being GoT, that doesn't mean they will necessarily live for very long AFTER reuniting - the reunion will just be an exercise in parallel storytelling. Neither of them is essential to the progression of Season 8, they will just be "artistic flourishes" (to placate their fans).

[@omgjimmyboy]

I feel like I'm the only one who likes show euron reading book euron and the stuff about the ironborn makes me uneasy

[@legzdiamond2356]

Wouldn’t it be a kick if George had Winds almost finished, then realized the fandom had actually figured out all his tricks and sussed out most of what’s happening and what’s going to happen? Wouldn’t it be funny if this improbable circumstance sent George into vapor lock, knowing he’d have to rewrite almost completely, but not accepting the heartbreak?

[@AveTrueToCaesar8212]

He’s said multiple times that he doesn’t care if people guess his plot twists ahead of time, George is still going to follow through with them even if we have deduced what he’s intending to do. None of that cheap “subverting expectations” at the last minute.

[@legzdiamond2356]

@@AveTrueToCaesar8212 This was two years ago. My NEW theory is that after having all his narrative twists both spoiled and artistically compromised by the television show, George actually altered his plot vectors and basically rewrote this upcoming book after being at least 1/2 to 3/4 of the way finished many years ago.

[@josephinewinter]

Show Euron: will he come back with the Golden Company as his army, not Cersei's? He must have enough of her money to get them to come, and there's nothing to stop him promising them better with him as king.

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

Nice! My honey IdeasOfIceAndFire is here! 🤘

[@onawal931]

Euron - Interesting, like the Master in Dr. Who.

[@brianmorris4446]

Mance Rayder. He was in Winterfell with a best of silver. The wildlings also believe in mercy killings. And he destabilized the North. Need talks about calling his banners to deal with Mance. Problem solved, problem staying solved. Mance leads the way.

[@Autists-Guide]

@Quinn Cloud Atlas... DO NOT see the movie! Also... horn encryption. Nice.

[@Go-Dawgs]

Very interesting, thank you guys! Oh did not like the view of the snake! They grow to killer size here in FL, yikes!

[@isadora9773]

I still don’t get why Euron started to say that he wanted to sail to Daenerys with his *******... And then switch plans and want Cersei. He wanted to bring a priceless gift, could it really be Daenerys he wanted to bring a gift? Like the Iron Throne?

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

Isadora Nexø Lytting ...The show is inconsistent about that, or they did not think it through...

[@victoriasantoro6692]

I think Euron he is using Cercei for to get his on the Throne ..He wants to be King and he will do everything for that..He want to marry her and if she disagrees ...but he will force her [you marry me or your unborn baby dies] then he will kill her and will take the Throne by force as her widow ..Then he will want to marry Danny for to take the Dragons ...and will force her to do it ..by captures Jon or everyone else she loves..otherwise if she doesnt accept Jon or someone else will die..He in S7E7 at the Dragon pit was starring at her with a very creepy and weird interesting and he said that when the Great War is done will be the only left alive in our islands[if i remember well]..I think he wants to marry her for to have access to the Dragons .as he do the same with Cercei for to have access in the Throne..He is a devil or demon in a human body ...Quinn in right on that.

[@applewagon253]

My two favorites!!!

[@dannabats]

Nhgheenee is adorable!

[@dreamway9]

Would it be possible that Euron DID fly? We see the crow speaking with Bran- perhaps his interaction with Euron revealed that he did not have the character to inherit the seat of the Three Eyed Crow even if he had the ability. Perhaps with this insight, Blood raven didn't send anyone to Euron to guide him.

[@supremeworld87]

robert needs to decide if he wants to wear glasses or he doesnt want to wear glasses. he whips those things off 700 times per video

[@Hastur805]

My man Quinn.

[@tsxtina2919]

What if Euron steals the Golden Company from Queen Cersei?

[@aaronweers8697]

Quinn's dune stuff is first rate.

[@familiacastroconejofederic2016]

Ideas of IaF!!! Hell yeah!!!

[@victoriasantoro6692]

Euron has to die 100% in the end ..He only troubles will cause in S8

[@geoninja3631]

💜💜💜💜💜❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@NYCfrankie]

Euron on the show is pointless book euron is an amazing character

[@TheWuschi]

I'm just re-watching this, more than one year after... in D&D's shoes, I would be embarassed to death, how gruesome all the possible arcs and developments have been butchered for the dumbest solution in the show. Show-Euron and show-Cersei - nothing left but facepalming!

[@aaronsoto1346]

Qarth isn’t in it.

[@captainanopheles4307]

Omg Robert is white!

[@Nuppersson]

watching this after s8, did not age well