Demographic decline: Greece faces alarming population collapse

[@csanadvarga3622]

dont worry the 6 day work week will help Greece to collapse faster. 6 day work week with 11% unemployment a joke

[@learningmaster8060]

Europe was the poorest region on earth for 1000s of years due to a lack of resources and a bad climate. The Indian subcontinent and China used to be the richest regions on earth for 1000s of years till the 17th century. Then Europeans advanced in war, sea travel, and trade. This resulted in Europe acquiring huge wealth from India, parts of China, Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Till the 1950s, Europe was squeezing wealth from rich regions of the world, which made Europeans richer. Now that Europeans had huge wealth, they started celebrating their life. This continued for 60 years. But now with India, China, and other Asian powers back to their dominance, Europe is losing in all sectors of the world economy. European governments tried to save the European economy by bringing wealth from Asia by offering easy immigration, but that was not easy due to cultural conflicts. It would take a few more decades for Europe to transform into extreme poverty in a world dictated by Asian countries like China, India, Japan, and South Korea.

[@baardagaam]

@@learningmaster8060 dude, China is already over the top, both demographically and also in terms of inventions The USA keeps on attracting the brightest people on earth and keeps its No1 position

[@AdityaJape]

​@@baardagaam countries don't like usa that's why bricks

[@laikanbarth]

@@learningmaster8060USA & Europe made China rich by transferring all of their manufacturing to China so the owners of those manufacturing companies could get very, very wealthy off of the cheap labor and not having to pay for health insurance and other benefits. They got wealthier and kept donating to the politicians to keep their factories in China. Now in Vietnam and Mexico.

[@JJ-vp3bd]

Tell me why Poland and hungary aren't going through this

[@DomnulSarb]

>Population: collapsing >Land and house prices: skyrocketing Something isn't adding up according to a little concept known as "supply and demand"

[@siddeshnaik2296]

Black money infusion paper money loosing it's value

[@JohnsJohnson-ns5xm]

US corporations

[@nadmoi]

As villages depopulate, the remaining young people will move to the cities. So cities will continue to grow for some time and real estate there will become more expensive. It's like a sinking ship where some part is moving up above the water.

[@JohnsJohnson-ns5xm]

@aidancollins1591 public records, Northern California and Southern California homes sales. Blackrock corporation alone owns 27% of all 2023 detached Home sales. Gives them incredible power on rental prices, resale values, etc. I don’t know where you’re at but here in California unless you pay cash for a house your contract is public knowledge don’t ask me why.

[@Thom_Yorky]

A lot of foreigners are buying properties.

[@r.c.8268]

nothing helps birthrates like high housing prices, low wages and high working hours

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Prockski]

Most of the planet has a falling populations, from richer and more advance economies, to developing economies. It’s as if humanity has given up on kids.

[@DR_1_1]

@@Prockski Certainly NOT true! World population is rising as fast as ever! Growth rates are much lower than in the 1970's, but we are +8.2 billion now vs less than 3.5 billion then, so the annual increment is exactly the same! It's the developed world who has stagnating populations, Western Europe, North America, Russia, Japan... although more than compensated by massive immigration in many countries.

[@Prockski]

@@DR_1_1 the population is rising but the growth is slowing as the birth rate slows. Many advance economies are below replacement levels and looking at how the west is turning against immigration from high birth rate countries, I don’t imagine these additions will keep going in much the same way.

[@DR_1_1]

@@Prockski Let's hope so... because you can not have unlimited growth in a limited environment! But for now the annual increment is just as fast as it was in the 1970's with +2% growth rates - even though the GR is supposed to be less than 1% now...

[@nickjacobs2846]

No surpises. I live here. After 10 years of economic depression and class war against the population, people cannot afford kids. People cannot even afford to have relationships. The working class is tired, impoverished and angry, with no end in sight.

[@bravenewworld6709]

That has nothing to do with economy. People dont make babies because the feminism, western women almost hate men and became aggressive, masculine, independent and with high standards.

[@gabriellakadar]

Poor people living in the villages over 60 years ago had children. It's not about money. It's about choice, expectations, and birth control. Probably the poor people who had half a dozen children back in the 1950s given the option of birth control would not have had so many children either. Children used to be an asset. Now they are an expense.

[@nickjacobs2846]

@@gabriellakadar The agricultural workers or peasantry actually NEEDED as many children as possible to help them work in the fields to earn their incomes, as such, children are seen as a net benefit to the family not a COST as they are seen in cities for a working class population. 60 years ago lack of access to abortions, limited birth control and arranged (sometimes forced) marriages were serious issues facing women. Not to mention that the post WWII world was actually booming, especially in the West, so families who lives in cities could afford children and the economic future seemed bright.

[@Highfiber123]

So the solution is to import unvented breeding age males from Africa?

But, but, but, what about all those engineers, architects and doctors who come to Greece by boats from Africa?

[@cravingtuna1561]

"Mr Primeminister our population is collapsing and no one wants to have kids. How should we respond?" "Increase the working hours"

[@noneofyourbusiness5433]

yep.......the solution is more focused on the state rather than the family.

[@alingard1]

More tourists is the answer!!

[@backintimealwyn5736]

well what did you expect, when the situation gets desperate people are going to have to deal with desperate measures. And you'll be working the 6 days age 75.

[@PaulTheDawg]

"Make an increase in water bills as well while you're at it"

[@h.verheijen7872]

yes purely for economic reasons this Greek government wants more productivity per inhabitant. money money money makes the world go round. simple. and nothing new since Aristotelous.

[@homyce]

A Canadian friend of mine born in Canada to Greek parents. He speaks the language on a native level, visits Greece once a year, obsessed by his homeland too much that the furniture of his apartment is all in blue and white. He even goes to the Greek Orthodox church every Sunday! Despite all this, he has been waiting for years to get Greek citizenship, which he wants to move there permanently. Then they complain about declining population!

[@dr.timothypatitsas7889]

He should fire his immigration lawyer and get a better one. My friends got their citizenship in one year.

[@homyce]

@@dr.timothypatitsas7889 he doesn't have one and is trying to do it on his own, maybe that's the problem!

[@dr.timothypatitsas7889]

@@homyce Even if it costs $5,000 in attorney fees, think of all the benefits of being able to work in 90% of Europe!!

[@homyce]

@@dr.timothypatitsas7889 exactly! I will tell him. Thanks a lot

[@johngayfer6873]

Surely the fact that he has Greek parents would automatically entitle him to Greek citizenship? Why many years long wait?

[@JobzeyJobzey]

Meanwhile many Greeks who live in Post Soviet countries are waiting for years to get chance to get Greek Citizenship, process is taking 10 years, if you want to attract immigrants, then first give chance to Greeks from Diaspora to come to Greece. I've applied for citizenship since 2015, up untill now process is going, during covid the ministry didn't even worked properly. Greek Bureaucracy is main reason for this

[@williamMaezawa]

Greece just love the Chinese Communists you know because they need Chinese money

[@egertroos-qh7hw]

Where do you live?

[@williamMaezawa]

Chinese Communists will come and save Greece

[@blakecampbell-taylor2865]

Australia has a bunch as well. Bring them home

[@rudywooders9602]

Greek Bureaucracy is a sophisticated tyrannical method

[@vasts1479]

Low wages, expensive rents, high bills, lack of investments, 6 day working schedules, constant deterioration in public education and health care, unemployment and a government which is not only useless but also does not give a sh!t and pretends to wonder why the young well educated Greeks seek their future abroad, or even if they stay in Greece, will have just one child because they cannot support financially a bigger family. And all of this after 15 years of looting the Greeks with taxes, low cost labour and sell outs of public property (airports, public businesses, harbours, natural resources, etc). Greece is not only struggling with demographics, but with poverty, anxiety and depression.

[@emrek.7391]

What you described is exactly the same for Türkiye.And it seems to be getting worse every day.

[@larryc1616]

Nothing can be done. It's the Argentina way...

[@erykahhoney588]

Sounds like America

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

And most rightfully, hatred. Greetings from Patisia, Athens.

[@giapata]

Who works 6 days?

[@fridaber6069]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Make it affordable to have kids and have decent standard of living and we will have kids. The biggest reason people are delaying kids is wage stagnation coupled with astronomical real estate costs. People just don't have financial security anymore.

[@SK-kh2rs]

Not really. Norway has plenty of incentives and yet the birth rate is low. Plenty of people have money and yet have 1 at most. People see kids as a burden to them enjoying life. Most people dream of travelling the world. Much harder if you got kids to look after.

[@jgdooley2003]

@@SK-kh2rs We live in an age of perfect information and choices. Most people now realise that having kids is a sacrifice and , for many, an onerous burden too difficult to bear. Artificial forms of contraception and delaying marriage and other forms of pair formation and increasing infertility are also contributing to the problem. Another factor is the high standards expected of modern parents which were not the case in the past.

[@dgh6g33gf]

Under contemporain capitalism, having kids is having expensive pets, as children don't work anymore and people do not live on farms but in cities. That is the economic reality of our system.

[@dr3amboy3657]

@@SK-kh2rsyep, I agree with this. The whole world is wealthier than it’s ever been and yet birth rates are down across the globe. Financials is one of many reasons for the low birth rates but it’s not the only answer fixing it won’t help. I know many couples who can afford kids and they just chose not to.

[@kaznika6584]

​@@dgh6g33gfThere are currently no capitalist countries in the world.

[@Pajaa37]

this video literally could have been made ANYWHERE in Europe….

[@tanner293]

not true, but in many places yes

[@andin3720]

South and East Europe*

[@colors6692]

Not Ireland!!!

[@Eric-kn4yn]

Australia too but record big 👽 migration white race disappearing.

[@yummydishes2279]

​@@Eric-kn4ynwhat are you even saying?

[@村上りんね]

Same in Japan. There are just elders in rural areas. Only Tokyo is continuing to soak up young people as nutrients.

[@Kaniala-l7s]

china is gonna buy their rural areas all out

[@zinyang8213]

Greetings from Greece

[@redwhite_040]

Tokyo is attracting young people who want to make carreer, not baby (no time and finance for that)

[@georgeioannou4371]

Could you describe the current situation regarding population in Japan? I'm Greek and currently planning to make a new start in Japan, more specifically Hokkaido!

[@村上りんね]

@@georgeioannou4371 Oh, are you? Then check TAKASHIIFROMJAPAN. Population is steadily declining in Sapporo, let alone others in Hokkaido. We Japanese are introverted, punctual, having lots of paperwork, they say. And the language is not easy. But motivated guy gets result. Good luck (^-^)

[@phoenixhenson3689]

I think its the Politicians fault for raising the cost of living so much for locals while they live in a bubble unaffected

[@kenbob1071]

The rich own the politicians, so blame them first.

[@beaulieuc8910]

many people don't actually want or like kids anyway, there is better birth control, women don't want to be lumbered with kids, doing most of the work and horrible pregnancy, childbirth, breast feeding, talking about the time, losing their mind, identity and freedom..

[@fuzzyduck1989]

@@beaulieuc8910 And before they realize it, they would have become lonely childless old hags with no one to take care of them in old age!!

[@phoenixhenson3689]

@@beaulieuc8910 and staying broke

[@petershaw6346]

​@@fuzzyduck1989 no 🤣

[@korgmangeek]

Thank you Europe. We saved French and German banks. We converted the private to debt to public debt. We lost half a million young people with 50% cuts. We elected the party that put the country in debt. We stopped the agriculture production because Europe told us to do. We are the country for holidays. The EU plan is working fine.

[@LMB222]

Lazy bums have spoken up. Perhaps clean up your country first, and only then open your mouth?

[@dibble2005]

exactly they did the same to Ireland. All our educated young people leave. They get out because governments hand over out country to vulture funds and parasite financial sectors.

[@dariusalexandru9536]

sure bro,whatever illusion helps you sleep better .

[@korgmangeek]

@@dariusalexandru9536 name one illusion. You don’t know the difference between public debt and private debt?

[@RK-cj4oc]

It is not " The EU" plan. It is a mix of our politicians trying to make an example that richer European banks are not a piggy bank for poorer countries and Greek politicians being corrupt as hell.

[@godtable]

My grandmother once told me, that we are rich compared to them in the past. And I told her she has no idea of the wealth she had in her hands back then. They didn't have almost any money, that's true. But they had freedom and a community supporting them. Most of the houses back then were build by family and relatives. Most had a piece of land and some animals to sustain themselves. And as a cherry on top, at my grandparent's village they had a tradition of caring for the elders and unable to work. The did that by Gothenburg the strongest men of the village and have them working on fields dedicated to the community with extra hours of work. I don't know if it's better or worse, but it's certainly different.

[@tubelz]

There is a lot more to the story of the good old days.

[@antelopelol2865]

Materialism is affecting Europeans

[@LilAligator]

We maybe richer in money yes but I can't eat paper.

[@helenm5124]

In Greece there was no to little law or legal papers for property, thus it's all a big mess now. I for instance can't inherit the village house with my sister because there are no correct papers. The only way would be for the neighbours to do some processes along with us,but they'd rather keep it mixed up. So we're left with our hands tied. This is a similar story to so many in both villages and cities. If you ask me, I'm thi King of leaving to free myself from this bureaucratic madness

[@godtable]

​@@helenm5124 So your grandparents knew the neighbors. That's how it worked in Greece in the old days, If you want to keep it, you have to use it. And still nobody forces you to not go to your house. It's not yours, It's your grandparents, big deal. You will not be the first, and you will not be the last. If the papers you currently have are enough to connect you with the power grid, and water, everything is fine. Edit: You and I were taught to think in a certain way, In back then If someone died, and he had a property, When nobody claimed it for 10 years, anyone from the village could go and claim it for himself. It's a way of not wasting resources. They don't have papers because everyone knew each other.

[@spyreytos]

From a country of 11M, close to 1M young people have LEFT the country in the last 15 years. There are literally hundreds of thousands of kids born to Greek parents living abroad. The country has evolved into one huge DEPRESSED HOTEL. THANK YOU EU, THANK YOU GREEK GOV.

[@hrhr9664]

without EU, you were already a failed country.

[@TheTruth-ko9ov]

It's more about globalization, people now care about money and seeking the luxury life they are watching in social media more than they care about having kids

[@jurateb.9794]

Lithuania had almost 1 million people who emigrated. The population is 3 times smaller then Greece. Now they started coming back as economy is improving. Maybe this will happen to Greece once the economy is better?

[@christiandauz3742]

Billionaires shouldn't exist and churches should pay a lot of taxes

[@barondino4628]

​@@zrymillGreeks screwed themselves, they built their economy around low skill, low pay jobs and now complain they are too poor. Same thing in Italy, my country. It's too easy to blame "evil multinationals", "capitalism", "the EU", Soros, ... but southern europeans decided to built their economy around making pizza, gyros and paella to rich north europeans or north americans tourists that work in finance. You reap what you saw.

[@matrixberzins465]

It's a problem not only for Greece but for all of Europe! Some will say that countries like Ireland, UK, France, Germany and few more don't have such problems - but they have - the birth rate is low and they keep up they demographic only with immigrants from Africa and Asia!

[@h.verheijen7872]

but their economies are in a much healthier state by creating jobs with descent wages

[@matrixberzins465]

@@h.verheijen7872 birth rate is not about better economy - Africa birth rate is far more better then in Europe overall. That's the main problem - there is no country in Europe who found solution for this problem yet. Higher immigration bring a lot of problems what Greece don't have - compare to West Europe - I didn't heard of terrorist activity in Greece but we know it is a problem in Belgium, France, Germany and many other countries. Even if family move from Greece to United Kingdom - they anyway can't afford to buy house in UK.

[@laikanbarth]

@@matrixberzins465You made some very good and interesting points!!

[@TheOwlsarewatching606]

IT IS CONSIDERABLY MORE COMPLEX THAN YOU SUGGEST.

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

@@matrixberzins465 And yet it is greek people who immigrate to western Europe and not the opposite.

[@richardsheppard3961]

In Greece an empty derelict house is advertised for 60-100k euro while the same property in Northern Italy woll cost you 1 euro. They rather hold out for crazy unrealistic prices so the villages die out. Shame.

[@marcv2648]

Well even if you buy it, you are not allowed to do anything with it other than try to restore it. Everything is over-regulated and taxed. You aren't allowed to do anything new or different. If you manage to jump through all the regulations then you are sucked dry in taxes.

[@Alexander-rr6yn]

Those properties are almost entirely in the south of Italy.

[@seancaird526]

North as well.

[@blueamenaa749]

Same in rural parts of France. It's all collapsing. I cant even put solar panels because there s an old church near the house. I gave up.. There s no point...

[@etienne8110]

Italy isn t doing much better on the fertlity side... Cheap house in the boonies with no work, no infrastructures, no services etc.. isn t a "fix".

[@johnny-161]

This is not really a surprise for anyone familiar with greek economy. A manufactured crisis, 10+ years of austerity made the working class disappear, shrinked the so-callled middle class. Greece has no industry , really, apart from tourism. People are leaving for abroad. Tourism works as a cash cow for the mafia controlled islands like Mykonos and Santorini. As time goes by, the number of greeks that can afford a vacation is decreasing on an important rate. Rural areas and villages are also being abandoned. No one has an economic benefit to live on a village anymore since farming for example does not bring revenue. Immigrants, who Greece chased and demonised so much in the last few years also don't want to build a life here. Those who do come, want to leave instantly since the big cities do not offer humane conditions and hope for a new life. As for the life in Athens? rent crisis, traffic issues, basically no parks or green in general and the salaries are not that good even for well-paid professions when compared to other EU members.

[@ssergium.4520]

An 8 day work week would probably help!

[@marcv2648]

How about massive deregulation. Why can't Europeans ever deregulate. The economic suffocation is entirely due to excessive regulation of everything in life. The only thing you can do in Europe without permission is sit in a cafe or work in a cafe. Everything else is highly regulated or not allowed.

[@jpakos6701]

Arbeit macht frei ....?

[@ssergium.4520]

@@marcv2648 Firstly I was joking. Secondly what on earth are you talking about?

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

@@marcv2648 Like what is not allowed?

[@ssergium.4520]

@@tomorrowneverdies567 I think working in a cafe isn’t lmao… exactly the opposite of what he said. I doubt you could just go and work there all day. They’d eventually ask you to leave 😅

[@twlee1930]

6-day workweek doesn't help either

[@kohtalainenalias]

it will help the capitalists, the ruling class, the elite to accumulate and hoard even more absurd amount of wealth. The greed has no boundaries.

[@acidtechno8545]

nor does the compulsory military service, many young men went to live and work abroad after the university, in order to avoid it

[@User-r5g5f]

@@kohtalainenalias The socialists ran Greece into the ground.

[@jpakos6701]

⁠@@acidtechno8545i dont blame them ...its not nice to return to the 1967-1974 era ( this is where the Greek army is in terms of mentality ) ...eat garbage and tons of sugar ....and NEVer really trained for anything

[@giapata]

Who works 6 days?

[@Thom_Yorky]

Just returned from Crete last night. My relatives are having the same problems. Low pay, work many hours, and their kids are going to college with the hopes of moving for a better life.

[@taralynnhoffmann5831]

Lol and then they move to America or Canada. I can assure you both their costs and work load will double over here. Every time I go to my husband's family in Europe I get to hear how overworked they are, as they sit and enjoy their lives.

[@orestis103]

I wanna go back to Greece when I settle down. All Greek Americans WHOSE WITH ME

[@Thom_Yorky]

@@orestis103 I would like to as well but the state of the healthcare system is concerning.

[@orestis103]

@@Thom_Yorky it is but the private health care system is decent as long as you have the funds for it. That’s the dream though, come to the states and make your money, buy some property and rent it out. Get a good enough passive income flow going and then you can move back to any Xorio you are from. It’s just a mindset I know it might be hard getting used to but if enough of us do it then it can be a good life, because I get it America is the land of opportunity, but you also have to come here and work your butt off for ages to pay rent. My mom’s friend who moved back to Greece near Athens got a place for 5,000 a YEAR! And if enough of us do it we can incentivize all the other Greeks to come back too 🙏🏻🇬🇷☦️

[@Thom_Yorky]

@@orestis103 i definitely hope that reality happens for me. Crete is such a beautiful place and we own property there. My family in Crete told me when i recently visited they there’s currently a doctor shortage. Many are leaving Crete because they can make a better income elsewhere.

[@mohammedabdullah4602]

The real population of Greece is not 10 million, but less than 8 million, a third of whom are elderly, as the number of births last year was 70k

[@georgiosdoumas2446]

That is what I also think, and I am sure that in the statistics of the birth rates, the officials are including births of immigrants and maybe even illegal immigrants, so the births of actual Greeks are even less per year that the numbers published.

[@muhammad-bin-american]

Wow!!!

[@StefanosP208]

@@georgiosdoumas2446 ofc they include immigrants, if they live in the country they are part of the population.

[@DR_1_1]

The islands otoh are overcrowded and overpriced...

[@cartesian_doubt6230]

Greece is literally dying. The Greeks are doing to themselves what no foreign enemy could do. Literally exterminating themselves.

[@plumeria66]

Nothing lasts forever. Take a look at ancient history. Where are the Hittites? The Akkadians? The Minoans? Incans, Mayans. All gone. Eventually it will be our turn. Can’t fight the tides of history.

[@SeattlePioneer]

They are paying enormous amounts to the elderly in retirement benefits, health care and other programs, and taxing young people to the max to try to pay for that.

[@quand_meme]

​@plumeria66 Every species becomes extinct at some point. On average, it takes 4 million years.

[@plumeria66]

@@quand_meme Good point. Bleak but true.

[@StrangeAttractor]

@@plumeria66but Europe isn’t dying because of colonisation or war or drought or natural disasters. It’s dying because modern women have priced themselves out of the market. Nobody seems to want to talk about that, though.

[@norwegianblue2017]

It's is bizarre to me that the European countries that used to have the biggest families are now having virtually no families at all. Greece, Italy and Spain are all at the forefront of population collapse. Right up there with Korea and Japan.

[@JoeRogansGutBiome]

Whats crazy is greece did not have a war or dictator. They had a democratically elected govt that caused all these problems.

[@MrInsanityplea]

And they banned the party that had the solution, nice democracy

[@jokester3076]

There was a dictatorship in Greece from 1967-1974

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

Not democratic*

[@squiddymute]

guess again

[@jokester3076]

KZbin deleted my comment, because I mentioned the junta.

[@Takh1]

what do you expect from a country that has rock-bottom wages, weak employment laws and has now implemented a 6-day work week!

[@Nicko-eb9kr]

how much is the minimum wage in Greece?

[@NorceCodine]

6 day workweek - Greeks call in 2 sick days = 4 day work week!

[@etienne8110]

Yeah, but think about the shareholders, how else were they going to buy a new yacht? You insensitive dork. 😅 Greek leaders get their priorities right, first the capital owners and then... We ll see.

[@StefanosP208]

@@Nicko-eb9kr 830 euro gross (before taxes)

[@Nicko-eb9kr]

@@StefanosP208 very low. I am half Greek. I was planning to move to Greece in the near future but it seems I won't be able to survive.

[@eutha6]

This is happening in many countries- the elephant in the room that is not discussed is Wealth Inequality-

[@susanplatt5331]

Huge part of it but so is the inequality that it's all on the woman. Men need to be better too.

[@swojnowski8214]

growing debt that cant be repaid, cuts will continue, so will impoverishment, high taxes, fascism and eventually a war.

[@someblokecalleddave1]

@@swojnowski8214 Yep - it does look that way and it seems people are walking into it blindly. Meanwhile the ultra-wealthy will become exponentially wealthier.

[@oceanwave4502]

Greece is heavily indebted. Who is gonna pay the debt if the population gets old and dies out?

[@etziowingeler3173]

Debt of a state is not comparable with private debt. This argument is nonsense

[@adlozi]

Those who created the debt: EU.

[@tobiisiba1641]

Not the migrants for sure.

[@swojnowski453]

@@etziowingeler3173 but the markets want the state believe that's the case. If you do not want to play the game, take more debt you will be severely punished, asset stripped and forced to introduce further rounds of austerity.

[@swojnowski453]

@@adlozi the debt was created by those who do not pay taxes. The 1% who never pay taxes, who take what they can and stash it in tax heavens, the oligarchs who use the environment the government provides but never help to maintain it, the patriots who speak laud but never contribute or walk the walk. Population collapse is purely the result of a class war and the rich are winning it hands down.

[@davidhamilton7780]

Unfortunately the young Greeks are being asked to pay the bills for a society which lived in deficit for many, many years. Tax avoidance, and early retirement with comfortable state pensions were the way of life for many and the depths of the problem were exposed after Goldman Sachs managed to hide vast amounts of state debt and the country was admitted to the Eurozone. It is very difficult to imagine an escape from the current situation which does not inflict much more pain before showing benefits.

[@williamMaezawa]

Chinese Communists will come and rescue Greece

[@alexrenn2479]

The Eurocrisis occurred because greedy European banks made toxic investments on Wall St NY USA and when that collapsed due to subprime mortgage scandal, they all literally went bankrupt and took Europe down with them. We know in hindsight now what happened, socialism and corporate welfare for the banks, debt and austerity for the common people. Stop spreading the same BS they told us about the collapse of Greece and other countries, we know the truth now. They could write-off the debts for all countries, just like they did for the big banks, but the greedy elite want to reinforce their power structures.

[@tweetyericsson]

No that's an old made up narrative. EU imposed austerity measures is the real cancer here.

[@MeMe-cz6pk]

Finally someone gets what went wrong. What young person wants to be stuck with the previous generations DEBT GREED and CORRUPTION. Its a bit of Karma. The young leave and those that created the problem get to live with the consequences.

[@silotx]

Tax avoidance and early retirement in Greece was a thing for a small percentage of the population but that money is nothing compared to the amount of money that the 1% made and still makes in Greece by having deep ties to the government and abusing that relationship to funnel public money mainly from loans into their pockets.

[@susansmith493]

Many countries are experiencing the same.

[@yolandawatson9949]

GREED!!!

[@IIlines]

Thank you Europe for saving Greece out of the economical crisis, your measures will be unforgettable

[@h.verheijen7872]

and special thanks to your self chosen nepotistic Greek governments who ruined it all for future generations

[@StefanosP208]

Europe did all they could, but the stupidity of the average Greek citizen prevailed. Some people will never learn

[@johnh.backensto5416]

My whole life, all I ever heard was how the human race was overpopulating the planet. So in the past several years all we're talking about is how population growth is decelerating. Come on already 😢

[@swojnowski453]

it has started on the peripheries, where debt is high, prospects low and politicians inept. Cities, or markets I should say, are busier than ever.

[@chriswatson1698]

Africans are still multiplying like rabbits and they all want to move to Europe or the UK. The world's population is still growing and isn't expected to level off for decades.

[@enhancedutility266]

Same that's why I don't feel sorry for these countries that signed up for this garbage social engineering project that's their own fault they reap what they sow

[@pwp8737]

a shrinking population is far more dangerous than a fast growing one, in different ways.

[@aetherion7]

Exactly, the problem is overpopulation. Its a third world-thing as well to have overpopulation problem. We should not have that in Europe.

[@jones6119]

I love my Greek family so much. The troubles they have endured over the years still left them kind, warm and full of sentimental affection for their families. Our small village has closed the school, everyone left is old. My tears for them and the loss.

[@MuonRay]

Spain is not far behind this situation.

[@lucius1976]

I disagree with that. Sure, they have a very low birth rate too. But, they have immigration from Latin America and Northern Europe to offset that. Immigration that could potentially even increase. Since most Latin American immigrants already speak Spanish they are easily integrated.

[@MuonRay]

@@lucius1976 those are fair points, I wouldn't dispute them however I would say its in the cities where immigration is happening not the countryside which is clearly being depopulated by an internal shift in population

[@DR_1_1]

Spain population is flat despite massive immigration. Maybe very slightly lower last year... I travelled to new neighborhoods where everyone was from north Africa... They are being replaced, like most of Europe, and north America. The same way we replaced the Indians, or the Neanderthals... Infinite growth is just not possible in a limited environment, anyone telling the opposite is either a madman or an economist. Fast growing world population is the main danger for itself, and for climate, nature, species, and much more!

[@John-qd5of]

If Greece hadn't joined the Euro, these problems would be easier to handle. The advantages of the Euro included a common pricing system, and greater convenience caused by not needing to exchange currency. The weakness was that countries like Greece were exposed to extreme booms and busts. German investors were attracted to what looked like real growth in southern Europe. But it was a speculative BUBBLE. Greece found that when the bubble burst, they were no longer allowed to devalue the Euro. Even worse, Euro bonds did not exist. So Greece had no choice but to injure itself for years in order to balance the books. If Greece had kept the drachma, problems would not be this bad.

[@hillwalker8741]

yeah - Euro forced higher prices in Spain - too expensive now

[@etienne8110]

​@@hillwalker8741tbf euro forced higher prices everywhere. Only the germans with their deutsch mark benefitted from a lower euro comparatively. They nuked europe to sell a bit more cars...

[@Aiolosz]

few understand this

[@kingmaafa120]

I was there I saw the writing on the wall 👎

[@StefanosP208]

If greece hadn't joined the euro, they would be speaking turkish language today

[@carols6800]

Greece has been talking about this issue for 12 years, yet they have done nothing! So many young people have left! I worked in Greece for six months.

[@jeremiahsmith2316]

The biggest contributing factor in my opinion and experience in living in Greece is corruption and incompetency in the government. This trickles down to businesses then it trickles down to the taxpaper who pays high taxes for horrible services. Why stay when you can move elsewhere and make 4 times much money for the same amount of work.

[@LMB222]

Greeks are the contributing factors. Nobody else but Greeks are to blame.

[@kenbob1071]

The biggest contributing factor imo is income inequality brought on by greedy, power-hungry people and businesses. They lobby and corrupt gov't to get the laws made in their favor at the expense of the lowly taxpayer who then has to make up the difference.

[@TheSwissChalet]

Yep. Doesn't take Einstein to figure it out...not sure why so many still can't.

[@napoleon8891]

In addition to all of the things said in the video, Greece sadly suffers from another important issue that has alienated many young Greeks and maybe forced them to leave. It is called Nepotism and unfortunately it is the primary way of either finding a job or getting anything done in Greece really. If you do not have the right connections or know the right people it gets increasingly hard to be able to live a respectable and comfortable life. This played a key role in the brain drain that is happening in the country.

[@vintagejaki751]

Similar to Italy.

[@goranvuletic8873]

A "pide", which in Turkey costs about $2-3, you have to pay $10 in Thessaloniki. Outrageous!

[@artmaknev3738]

Almost every Greek I spoke with, always brings up that the Greeks are responsible for modern world, that they invented this and that, the whole system of democracy is thanks to Greece, but they never seem to know what to do now, yes they were great 2000 years ago, but now their country is a mess and they don't know what to do to fix it. I think they should heavily switch to solar energy to harness the 360 days of sun that they have each year, at least to solve one issue, then provide incentives for people to buy and renovate the villages, concentrate on education of digital economies so people can work from home and don't need to live in an overcrowded over priced cities, without any incentive and innovation nothing will happen.

[@SeattlePioneer]

In many parts of the United States, cultural elites are busy abandoning that heritage and replacing it with aboriginal or African culture. We are training ourselves to be barbarians again.

[@MrAmhara]

Cities are the key to civilization. Rural life isn’t it.

[@SeattlePioneer]

@@MrAmhara Rural lands and people exist whether cities exist or NOT. Cities are derivative of rural resources and agriculture.

[@dirkscott5410]

And the apologists for democracy always fail to mention that only the property owning men had a vote, not the slaves or the women or poorer men. Same with the original US constitution.

[@SeattlePioneer]

Rural life is the key to civilization. You can't have cities without it.

[@paquitoignacio3449]

The decline of population is due to cost of raising a family, unless the government subsidized housing, child care, education and give financial support to a growing population.

[@swojnowski453]

Subsidising is not an answer. The basics of life have to be re-nationalized and made affordable. If everything is a commodity and wages are stagnant there is no hope for anybody but the 1% of the richest. The state has to take control of what's going on in the country or there will be no future. The country has been sold to the rich. Population collapse is the outcome.

[@brigittelikeslanguages8916]

You guys should hear what I heard from Jehovah's witnesses.😔 ( I'm not a witness) . But they preach that the world is in the evils' hands. İn the last days pestilences/ diseases and more wars will come. So they want to reduce population. That's why governments all across the world spend more money on military than on education!

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

No, I am afraid it is not due to the cost of raising a family. It is due to the fact that most people like to have their chosen entertainment (like watching KZbin videos), instead of raising up children. I include myself in this. I prefer watching KZbin videos (I love watching KZbin videos all day) instead of raising 3 children. There are also other ideological reasons why I would not make more than 1 children here, related to quality of phenotype of people inhabiting the world. Greetings from Greece.

[@brigittelikeslanguages8916]

@@tomorrowneverdies567 hello, I also prefer watching KZbin videos all day long than raising children. Especially as the world is so corrupt and evil, life has no point, it is just suffering in vain.

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

@@brigittelikeslanguages8916 I do not believe that the world is more corrupt and evil than it was 100 years ago. What I believe, is that more people now dislike the actions of politicians, than 100 years ago, also because of an obvious difference in morality (between politicians and "simple" people). But this is not the most important reason why we have this underfertility I'm afraid. If we baned the internet now, people would continue to dislike politicians tomorrow. But they would also start making 3-4 children each, in order not to be bored.

[@debrak3594]

I believe this is happening all over the world. In the Us many small towns fading. Also India. Are the Greek islands experiencing water shortages like Sardinia?

[@AlexM-t6h]

This could apply to Greece, Italy, most of the Balkans, the Nordic country, Russia...

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

..The US, Canada, Australia, NZ, France, Germany, the UK, etc.

[@raisarwanath4484]

​@@tomorrowneverdies567no western europe amrrica and canada australia new zealand have position natural population growth.

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

@@raisarwanath4484 Of course because they brought more immigr. who make the children, than Greece, Italy and the Balkans did. And if you take only the natives, native people in western Europe, America and Canada have a natural population decline, not growth.

[@matrixberzins465]

@@raisarwanath4484 by immigration from Asia and Africa - but locals are dying out. Birth rate in Germany is so low that Germans in Germany become less and less each year. yes Greece can do as France, UK or Germany did - just open borders for people from Africa and say - hey we fixed demographic problem but in reality French, brits and Germans slowly wannish in they own country!

[@NeygarzruinedAmerica]

Yet somehow the muslims do it

[@stamatisloukas8544]

There is no bright future in suburban places in Greece, especially small islands like Chios. I come from one, and its not like it used to be when i was a kid 15 years ago. My plan is to move abroad and if I ever start a family we will of course come and visit for vacation, but thats it. Big cities like Athens, Thessaloniki etc, are also struggling as well. I'm afraid that in 100-200 years, almost every tradition and culture of the small villages will be lost in time and never to be found again... and that thought scares me and saddens me because there a lot of villages in Greece and every single one is unique in its own way. It's a genocide and a crime.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Well said my friend ! But what is to be done.?? Greece full of 3 rd world immigrants who don't know or care about Greek Culture or History...??? That is the politicians answer..?!?!?

[@georgiosdoumas2446]

Γιατί να μην μπορέσεις να μείνεις στο χωριό, και να κάνεις παιδιά εκεί (αν βρεις γυναίκα, Ελληνίδα κατα προτίμηση) ? Δεν θα ήταν ωραία τα παιδιά σου να περάσουν τις ίδιες παιδικές εμπειρίες που πέρασες κι εσύ, με βόλτες στην φύση, και στην παραλία? Καλύτερα απο το να μεγαλώνουν σε αστικό κέντρο (εγώ στην ΑΘήνα μεγάλωσα, και ξέρω πόσο άσχημα είναι). Τι επάγγελμα κάνεις? Πώς οι προγονοι μας ζούσαν επι αιώνες και χιλιετίες στα χωριά, και μάλιστα σε εποχές που ήταν υπο Ρωμαική ή Τουρκική διοίκηση?

[@stamatisloukas8544]

@@georgiosdoumas2446 μπορούν να μεγαλώσουν σε επαρχία στο εξωτερικό. Εννοείται θα ήταν ωραία, αλλά δεν υπάρχει πλέον αυτό που έζησα εγώ. Έχει χαθεί. Είναι ανύπαρκτο.

[@Fisarmonica23]

This story could also be about southern Italy.

[@SAYNOTOCENSORSHIP-z6z]

The difference, my friend, is the sheer numerical superiority of Italians to Greeks.

[@greeksful]

Such a beautiful country like Greece... It's a so sad situation. Such a shame.

[@nicolaeceausescu6049]

what is sad?? greece is still beautiful that doesnt change

[@greeksful]

@@nicolaeceausescu6049 People have to leave this sunny, historical, beautiful country for money.

[@rex_schd]

To be honest . Low in people are the main reason it is beautiful .

[@greeksful]

@@rex_schd it is a gift maybe

[@rex_schd]

​@@greeksful Not may be . defintly it is a gift . look at the old footage of London and current London street . Once photos of London streets are sold as wallpaper for house decoration now their streets look like pakistan

[@MikeKay1978]

I read a month ago that greece introduced 6 working day week. In the same week a greek recruiter wrote to me asking me to explore opportunities in greece. I love greece, nice people good food fabulous scenery. I would actually consider moving there but a 6 weeks working week with high taxes and a low salary will not do it for me. It is obvious that the greeks are now trying to make up for something. And instead of making it attractive to move to greece they have decided to punish the people further so that the politicians can continue as before a bit longer. Greece in not ready for change yet.

[@a.tartist]

Dude the 6 day work, you got it all wrong, it's still 5/7. It's only for some businesses 6/7. 95% of the workforce has nothing changed for us, we still work 40hours per week

[@kathya1956]

Good food if you make it at home. I went for holidays this summer and the food, oh my gosh. Not good

[@MikeKay1978]

@@kathya1956 Really? I have gone twice and everytime the general level of food was very good. of course there are some bad restaurant here and there, but if you ask around and go to familiy owned known restaurants they were absolutely fine.

[@MikeKay1978]

@@a.tartist Good to know, maybe I should reply the mail from the recruiter then.

[@StefanosP208]

There is no 6 day working week. Its just misinformation for views and drama

[@pauldolman7487]

Greece should encourage jobs that work well from home and increase internet connection for people to work online.

[@palmshoot]

​@@superconsensuel3869That sentence makes no sense.

[@palmshoot]

@@superconsensuel3869 First, remote jobs predated the pandemic. Second, Twitter ran into major technical problems after they fired folks. Finally, Twitter is worth less now than when Musk bought it.

[@DR_1_1]

Good luck with that... I got my last job after responding to an offer mentioning the possibility to work from home... during the interview the boss explained the system was not 100% ready yet. So I had to travel +120 km per day, every day to go to work, sometimes even more as was occasionally sent to visit customers/patients (with my own car, no compensation offered). 3 years later when I left, the remote network to work from home had not been implemented yet! That was before Cold-19 of course... Since then I earned a few hundreds with my website (ads), but then Google shadow banned me, and I didn't get any money from them!

[@o_o825]

Life in America is better than they imagined? That’s not what many of Europeans think…

[@pwp8737]

Perfect it's not, but the economy is growing and for many, though not all there is a comfortable life. What constitutes a good life is different for everyone. To each his own.

[@afctaylor12]

Most People wouldn't consider Greece as European. Sure part of Europe but for majority it history for last 500 year it was a third world country ruled by dictators. It's only because of eu that Greece Hungary Croatia are not third world dictator

[@Chris68385]

Greece is very European and you’re just having hallucinations. It seems that you really ignore history and the sequence of historical facts and events.

[@GiantROBLOXvor]

@@afctaylor12 "Western values" literally originated in Greece

[@ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588]

@@afctaylor12you cannot be this stupid, it’s 10:00

[@paquitoignacio3449]

In China, South Korea, other countries have lower birth rate due to expensive, housing, health insurance, day care center.

[@KarelNg]

Good idea for Chinese imigrate to Greece for developing businesses at there, good environment and warm people

[@DemosthenesKar]

No, its not that, its overworking first that leaves no time to find a partner, marry, raise multiple children and then reasons like that in china its the norm to have one child and in korea there is a huge political disparity and violent rhetoric between men and women

[@MrAmhara]

Actually the birth rates are relatively similar. At least China is doing something about it.

[@beaulieuc8910]

and many women don't want kids anyway

[@Michael-ss7pc]

​@@DemosthenesKarI have many Korean friends. Most can't even get a gf. That's the number 1 factor followed by everything else.

[@OXI28101941]

Villages have been emptying into the cities since the 50’s, as the first interviewee says. Better to speak to young people in the cities, and whether they see their future in the country. A far more worrying trend.

[@swedemartyrsonswade]

Richer countries are becoming less and more poor countries are booming In terms of population. The Irony of being poor and unproductive.

[@fanniinnanetguy653]

Poorer countries are hardly booming anymore at this point. Many of them have below replacement birth rate.

[@loukas_gr]

Funny that a lot of these societies that are booming are religion driven ones (muslim mostly), where people are often misused and forced to flee to other countries that strive to survive with better living conditions. Those poor - but birth thriving - countries also seem to have little contact to the global environmental impacts and the other dangers of overpopulation on global scale (i.e. consumption on less natural resources). Do we want less and well-being or more and unbearable?

[@RM-mm1lz]

Good point. Don't forget that demography is destiny.

[@idsavo]

Greece's most wealth is distributed into few people and companies. The irony of being ignorant.

[@laikanbarth]

Having a large population won’t make you successful or make the economy better. If that were true then places like Africa wouldn’t still be struggling.

[@jacekicksass]

This is what austerity does to a nation. Reject IMF and the World Bank, they will hollow out your country.

[@davidburke2697]

debt based system, thank the small hat tribe and their parasitic banking system.....

[@etienne8110]

Capitalism. Late stage does that everywhere. Concentration of wealth, growing inequalities and worsened public fundings leads to the 99% not being able to afford kids. That s for greece, but also korea, argentina, the US, japan, the redt of the EU etc... Same cause, same effects.

[@Chadrick2]

@@etienne8110 so lets bring in communism? No we need to remove corrupt leaders instead of blaming everything on capitalism just stick to capitalism and make sure who to control who is in charge.

[@ColdHardTruthNews]

Greeks prefer to remain independent. Away from European influence.

[@Chadrick2]

@@etienne8110 This is liberals not capitalism.

[@tandrichter]

A few years , ago the British publication , the Economist, did a study of Greece and the reasons behind its economic collapse. The society, they found, was and is gerontocratic, the younger generations being unable to run businesses or be in politics, there's cronyism and bribery to the highest degree when it comes to getting in Greek universities with many young people having to go overseas to be able to afford higher education, a fact that has a roll on effect on the country, its future innovation ability, its technology and economic development. The younger generations that were simply pushed out of Greece by the gerontocrats sadly never return. No wonder the country stats record 2 deaths for one birth. Change the mentality, and you will have a future as a country

[@Psychophski]

Greece suffers of many many years deep, corrupted politicians and exhaustive austerity measures, insane taxes and poor quality of life! Athens is just a big village... Nowadays that many people have traveled have witnessed how a friendly city in Europe is... Greece has bad roads, mostly uneven pavements, no cycling infrastructure, no parks, no rivers, low maintenance...it's all coffee shops, fast food and bars... Low wages with very high demands, still in seasonal jobs the request is to work 7 days a week, 10+ hours a day... of course no one will stay as resident to this absurd holiday place.

[@history_repeats8201]

Europe needs a long term strategy to remain an economic force. Uncontrolled migration cannot be a substitute. There is is still time to act

[@generalbenjaminarrola340]

Não tem tempo pra agir, tudo tem começo meio e fim, a Europa chegou no seu fim de poder 😂

[@history_repeats8201]

@@generalbenjaminarrola340 Foi exactamente isso que um estúpido general otomano disse fora dos muros de Viena. E então apareceu a cavalaria polonesa. O poder da Europa reside na persistência intemporal de uma civilização superior. Não tem nada a ver com números. A China tem mais gente do que a Europa e forma mais engenheiros, MAS os centros de desenvolvimento de todos os principais fabricantes chineses estão na Europa. Então continue sonhando!!!!

[@halfpakichick]

@@generalbenjaminarrola340yup!

[@SK-hq6ux]

They will definitely be uncontrolled uncontrolled migration when they just take in everyone at the last most desperate moment.

[@marvin2678]

​@@generalbenjaminarrola340you Wish, loser

[@dazza9859]

Ireland can provide over one million foreigners living in Ireland for Greece.This would rebuild its population.

[@leonardgrant6876]

The government demonstrating a mandate to focus on the demographic crisis is a good joke. What can they do about it, travel back in time, and tell the mothers to have more children?

[@jager6863]

Well there is a lot that can be done. But they won't do it. Bye, Bye Greece. Thanks for the good food.

[@jgdooley2003]

Many recent countries had bans on artificial forms of contraception and shunned single people and members of the gay community. Large families and early marriages were encouraged by social intimidation and force. Bans on married women working were commonplace. This happened in Nazi Germany and other right-wing countries.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

cloning

[@anniesshenanigans3815]

same will happen here in the US. Look at all the 'digital nomads" traveling abroad because the cost of actually living here is ridiculous. You can survive, but you cannot 'live'.

[@samaya9992]

Right but they are all American jobs. Greeks can't even be digital nomads with 11% unemployment.

[@MrAmhara]

The US is worse. Immigration hides the decline in the native born population.

[@dgh6g33gf]

Normal working class people cannot afford to be digital nomads, you are talking about a small sliver of the remaining middle class, this is a cultural phenomenon and isn't yet a big issue for countries. I don't think its a big economical factor atm.

[@anniesshenanigans3815]

@@dgh6g33gf a lot of younger people are looking at it. Maybe not now, but in the future.. my original comment was about the trend in the US, that it's headed in the same direction as Greece. If people go digital and move away from the US, then the local tax base will decline just as it has in Greece.

[@dgh6g33gf]

@@anniesshenanigans3815 I am in Canada and its very big here too among young professionnals with money. I know people who would love to do it but can't afford it, that is going to be the case of the majority who will end up considering it imo.

[@andrewst9797]

A smaller population is not the problem nor is the lack of high paying jobs. Long term stability and inexpensive opportunities for young people to reduce their depressing struggles is the key. Local services, products, produce and industries give meaning to a society Quality architecture and town planning is fundamentally important. It creates good healthy conditions to raise families whose children see a future at home and a meaningful sense of place for themselves. But not every village must survive nor should it if there is nothing to do there. Reestablishing wild nature, sustainable farming traditions and practices should also become a national goal for the country.

[@pasdeville]

Agree, but the EU-politics are supporting the multinational economic power.Mondialisation of the economie instead of making the ''local-economics'' stronger.

[@marcozegikniet9301]

Yeah being overworeked and underpayed is not the problem.

[@andrewst9797]

@@marcozegikniet9301 Overworked? On social media, certainly!

[@marcozegikniet9301]

@@andrewst9797 Oke stay in your bubble then 🤣

[@alexandrosdiakoumopoulos4965]

​@@marcozegikniet9301 a smaller population = more job opportunities= higher pay= better standard of living. The population collapse of the black death is an excellent example of how standards of living increase post large population declines. Reducing our vision to maintaining bloated population figures only increases the burden on us and the overburdened environment

[@mohammedabdullah4602]

When I saw the Ukrainian and Russian refugees fleeing the war, I noticed the large number of elderly people, especially elderly women. In those two countries, there are more women than men, and the reasons are known. In Russia, there are +10 million more women than men, and the average life expectancy of Russian women is 9 years higher than that ofRussian men.

[@jokester3076]

In the soviet period there were negative social stigmas that discouraged women from taking up smoking, because it was considered a masculine vice and unladylike for women to smoke cigarettes. Most soviet working men were habitual smokers, so the lung cancer rate for men who came of age during the Soviet Union is way higher then women.. Russian men also took on more dangerous jobs and were regularly exposed to hazardous chemicals. Then there was rampant alcoholism. The gender imbalance is also because of ww2 and the soviet Afghan war. When the USSR collapsed the soviet people became impoverished overnight and had to suddenly adapt to living under a new more stressful system for the first time in their lives. it took a heavier emotional toll on older working men who had to provide for their families in great depression era type conditions, men from that period died in droves from heart attacks, suicide and stress induced sickness.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

@@jokester3076 accurate.

[@DanielSilva-jj2lz]

@@jokester3076 To top it off, now half a million more Russian men have been killed, and 3 million more have fled the country. Not sure, but it seems that calling politicians donkey is an insult to donkeys.

[@csuporj]

All those excess women are 65+ years old.

[@JohnHall-d6b]

Hollywood made it glamorous for women to smoke!! But in old days! It was not seen in good light for women to smoke In public!! So when Hollywood in 1920s started showing women smoking!! It gave the woman's rights to say we have rights and smoking was one to show a woman is Independent and smoking in public show she has rights like men!!

[@adw6894]

a growing population is disastrous unless you are a capitalist who wants cheap labour and as many customers as possible.

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

So socialism and eugenics go hand in hand? Color me shocked!

[@Dudeguy36]

Moral decay and high costs is a killer for a country’s future.

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

Moral decay isn't a contributing factor. Everyone has always been immoral at all times. What changed is socioeconomics.

[@walalago]

The real problem is that we all know this current global phenomenon isn’t going to get any better.

[@DR_1_1]

What problem? At the world level, population is STILL growing as fast as ever. Growth rates are lower, but the total population is much higher, so the increment remains the same as in the 1970's!!! The fact is that infinite growth is just not possible in a limited environment, anyone telling the opposite is either a madman (or an economist). The fast growing world population is the main danger for itself, and for climate, nature, species, and much more!

[@ch1ckenphat514]

Over 7 years to become a greek citizen. Even if you have blood ties here. What a joke.

[@hpspectre5184]

I bet thanks to Bureaucracy it would be easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens.

[@alexandrosdiakoumopoulos4965]

Well if you have a problem you can go to places like Paris. Just try not to get mugged

[@juliancoulden1753]

This is not only Greece’s problem, it’s affecting almost every European country and the west

[@palmshoot]

The East is embroiled in war.

[@hezorex9822]

The decrease in population is due to immigration. Many are here in Germany. Same goes to many European countries. They all move to richer and wealth countries for greener pasture.

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

Not only to wealthier countries, but also to countries with better climatic and environmental conditions. And also more beautiful cities. The UAE are wealthier than Greece, but there are not many greek people there. I would move to Germany even if it had 70% of the GDP per capita of Greece, just because of the climate. This immigr. however needs to stop now I believe. Grüße aus Griechenland.

[@LMB222]

Emigration, not immigration.

[@bozokluoglu_]

@@tomorrowneverdies567 I don’t know about UAE but i see them here in Qatar every now and then. Of course proportionally it is not much but yes some Greeks also move this region because it is much wealthier than Greece

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

@@bozokluoglu_ of course.

[@gezyeoku]

​@@bozokluoglu_Dostum, is English valid in daily life in Qatar like in Dubai or is Arabic stronger? 🤔

[@UKVeteran2024]

They put the abandoned house prices up every few months, so you can only blame the locals.

[@StefanosP208]

Greek citizens voted for everything that is happening to them. they wanted this. no excuses now

[@UKVeteran2024]

@@StefanosP208 that's a shame, because Greek people are 100% lovely people.

[@StefanosP208]

@@UKVeteran2024 some are, some arent, just like every other place. Remember that if you are a foreigner, they treat you like a walking wallet, so ofcourse they will be nice to you.

[@UKVeteran2024]

@@StefanosP208 such a shame, I would love to buy a cheap house in Greece and add to the community.

[@Joybuzzard]

Are we going to pretend this isn't exactly what the EU had planned for Greece decades ago?

[@stevo728822]

The old people stole their grandchildren's future.

[@NeygarzruinedAmerica]

The women did. They dont have kids. Wanna sleep aroumd

[@maggieperlod8536]

@@NeygarzruinedAmerica you dont have a clue about Greek woman. We are orthodox very religious and family oriented . All in balkan are that way. We can not afford family.

[@NeygarzruinedAmerica]

@@maggieperlod8536 but muslims somehow do it even in places where there is war

[@asdg2271]

you are clueless.. the old people lived hard, re-built the country from rubble and ashes of ww2. occupation never ended just changed name, face, methods..

[@SuperGlue4321]

​​@@NeygarzruinedAmerica Really??? Women who were being sold as property had children. Those children did not give more slave labourers for capitalists to sell. Is that what you are mad about?? That you didn't get your own sex slave??

[@Maliceless100]

THE WORLD NEEDS FEWER PEOPLE. Let's not forget the underlying existential threat to our species.

[@DR_1_1]

I also tend to think that way, it's obviously a challenge for the current economy, retirement plans, healthcare for the elderly, but growing population (and overpopulation) is also a challenge!

[@suztjembijawatson3362]

This is something the Greeks who left "for a better life" will find out after it is lost. Life is not big houses and packed bank accounts. Those are meaningless. The simple life is healthier, mentally, and physically. I wish I could move to Greece. It is a beautiful country.

[@rosavelez1742]

So many countries in Europe are having the same issues with diminishing population, in the meantime world forum economy is telling us the world is overpopulated. Something is not adding up.🤔🤔

[@ronnelacido1711]

Because some countries are in fact overpopulated. Halved the population of both China and India and distribute evenly among the 28 or so EU countries and many of them will become overpopulated.

[@BtrDaysAreComing]

This isn't a crisis, it's the solution to every problem caused by a rapidly expanding population. Cities will turn back to wilderness and human impact on nature will lessen. A sustainable equilibrium will be reached.

[@danielcpt3819]

No one like to think about the positives on nature and the world.

[@beaulieuc8910]

@@danielcpt3819 i agree there are so many positives to being childfree and having less kids, less crime for a start too

[@agotahorvath]

Exactly, As a species we are a plague that has driven so many other species to extinction . We have turned the Earth into a garbage heap and our oceans into sewers . Time we go the way of the Dodo bird and let the planet and all other species heal , bounce back and thrive .

[@bristoled93]

But that won't happen, instead mass immigration is happening instead.

[@marcozegikniet9301]

Corporation will not let that happen. They will install sooner or later fascism.

[@joewoodchuck3824]

Wow. Didn't know about this. Greece also had financial issues a while back too. I wonder if they ever recovered from that.

[@sutats]

Not nearly as alarming as Korea's fertility rate. These situations will take a few generations to correct if the proper solution is implemented.

[@dgh6g33gf]

Right now all the wrong solutions are being implimented in Greece so the problem is being exercaberated.

[@ALBERT-oj1vn]

I don’t see any drama in here if things get harder, they can always immigrate to the United States or anywhere else they won’t. They are underneath your protection in the part of a strong, regional EU’s economic union. Besides Greece is a small country. It can go pretty ok with 5 million people also. Decline of population for Greece is an advantage as well. The lack of rain , global warming and limited farming opportunities is already a future catastrophy waiting for Greece as well.

[@SeattlePioneer]

Turkey will just expand to take over Greece.

[@serkanaygun8395]

​@@SeattlePioneerWe don't care about shitty Greece

[@h.nguyen4193]

Its called Karma. When you mistreat something, Don't expect it to be around to help you later on in life. The old population mistreated the country for decades, with the economic, the mismanagement and corruption of the state, the young have nothing left for them to stay to take care of the old. In the end Karma.

[@martello2000]

Ironic that Greece has to encourage immigrants to come to the country because it's population is leaving. The "great replacement" is spreading. Europe as we know it will soon be gone.

[@DR_1_1]

The same way we replaced the Indians or Neanderthals... only this time it's a voluntary move from our "elites", who want even more money than they already have!

[@maureenmckenna5220]

My understanding of one of the causes of Greece’s economic issues was the fact that they had big government programs and not enough taxes collected to pay for it all. Taxes were more or less a voluntary thing, and they took some pride in paying as little as possible. Other worldwide issues impacted them, of course, but this was a socialist issue gone wrong.

[@StefanosP208]

Nobody actually works, people are masters at pretending to be busy. nobody pays taxes, greek people take great pride in stealing from the government, ie themselves and their neighbours. they are also master complainers, blaming everybody but themselves. All greeks consider Europeans idiots for actually working, and constantly trying to find new ways to scam tourists for money.

[@qrsx66]

In Japan they give free houses to those who want to live in depopulated areas.

[@truthisthelight]

May I also remind you of the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions. Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shockingly sad truth. 😔 In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return to rightful owners Native American people. Notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deal, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask? 🤷

[@plumeria66]

Life goes forwards, not backwards. You’re not going to return anything to native Americans. Most Americans do not want to live the way Native Americans lived. Cultures come and go throughout history along with their people. That’s the nature of life on earth.

[@SAYNOTOCENSORSHIP-z6z]

Your numbers are all wrong.

[@SAYNOTOCENSORSHIP-z6z]

Before the Europeans arrived, there was 115 Million Indigenous people in the Americas.

[@SAYNOTOCENSORSHIP-z6z]

By the time the second group of Europeans arrived. There were only 5 million remaining. Meaning 110 Million died in the original "First Contact" event featuring Cristofo Colombo, Hernando De Soto, etc. a minority died through war, the majority died through disease. But that event created the specific context for which all of the succeeding events to take place. England would have had a much tougher time colonizing 115 Million rather than 4-5 million. Had not the Spaniards knocked out the overwhelming majority of their potential opposition.

[@SAYNOTOCENSORSHIP-z6z]

You're also severely over estimating the Indigenous population of the United States. There's nowhere near 15 million. It's between 1-3 Million.

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[@zgord-nb1zi]

So sad to hear about this. Ive traveled to Greece and it is a beautiful and magical country with such very nice people. They were always giving us free ouso wherever we went. Strange how people are moving out when my gf and i want to move there. Its paradise.

[@User-r5g5f]

They should encourage diaspora Greeks to come back. Even if they cannot speak Greek. In time they will learn.

[@KingNeutral1]

Why would they leave their strong economies and job opportunities abroad for a collapsing society with a 6-day work week?

[@User-r5g5f]

@@KingNeutral1 Because they aren’t just ordinary people. They are ethnic Greeks, the ones who return have a desire to see the country survive and thrive. Not to mention with so much work done online the local job market doesn’t matter as much as it used to.

[@system3335]

i returned, been three years. zero regrets , love life here. Need to make an income abroad tho. it ain’t cheap

[@survive-1-day-at-a-time]

We are trying to come back and we speak the language perfectly but the Greek government is very greedy and placed obstacles all along the way with stupid paperwork demands and long waits to get αφμ

[@cs0345]

No one should be expected to remain loyal to the country they left behind

[@ChristineFisher123]

It's the opposite problem in the UK where we have over-population. There are far too many people in this country. As a result our public services and NHS are collapsing under the strain; we are an ageing society, and a lot of younger people are not having chidren anymore; they can no longer afford to have them..

[@SK-kh2rs]

That is the problem everybody else is complaining about here. There are too many old people but not enough young people to work to pay for the old. Young people struggling so not having kids. Greece is an ageing population.

[@mack7276]

They should stop using the Euro. A cheaper currency will result in companies moving to Greece and will increase travel.

[@jontalbot1]

Greece’s problems are fundamentally economic. You see this simply driving around the country. The lack of commercial traffic is astonishing. There is tourism, shipping, maybe food industry but what else?

[@jumpman366]

Dude all problems are economic

[@angelovalavanis2314]

It's not only the financial situation that's preventing an increase in births, it's also the independent care free lifestyle many younger generations want to live. Children just get in the way of this new type of living.

[@georgiosdoumas2446]

Very important factor too! Women nowdays are even bragging for extending their dating life into their 30ies, and sleeping around with the good looking men , and they use the term "child free" instead of "childless" to showcase that their choice is just to work and sleep around. And the good looking men that have options and enjoy the sleep-around life style, are not thinking of marriage (maybe they start thinking about marriage after 45)

[@backintimealwyn5736]

They will regret it , in fivety years the old people that will be taken care off will be the ones who had children, if they raise them well. It's a grim future for those who wont have children.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

@@georgiosdoumas2446 "childfree" is a noisy minority and it's propaganda. Most women want to have children but can't find a partner that will have children with them. Don't listen to the noise, don't parrot propaganda, if you want to have a family you'll have a family.

[@plumeria66]

Once you educate women, birth rate falls.

[@theSupercasa]

@@backintimealwyn5736You know by whom people are taken care of?SOCIAL WORKERS IN ELDERLY HOMES. NOT THEIR CHILDREN.

[@rickb7225]

My children grew up on an Aegean island, received great education in small village , because of the great teachers, however after getting degrees at top UK universities, they became part of the brain drain, choosing to work in Monaco and London. I'm British, but all of our family members love Greece, unfortunately career options are limited in the islands for young people.

[@theghostofbabanovac7069]

Ironically pursue of higher education and material gains plays a huge role in driving the population collapse. People with higher education universally have very low reproduction rates

[@redMaple_QC]

If there is a big income inequality they need to raise taxes on the rich to redistribute wealth.

[@swojnowski453]

the rich rule countries, politicians are just a facade for telling people bad news in a way that does not cause riots or revolutions. If the money is to be redistributed, communities, the people will have to do it by themselves. They will have to take things in their own hands, hold the rich to account. Holding politicians to account will not help. They are just puppets, useful first wall exposed to the anger of those who no longer have anything to lose.

[@enhancedutility266]

There's barely any rich people to tax in Greece most of the ownership of assets are state-owned

[@pwp8737]

Greece doesn't have many industries that can be taxed, its richest tend to be shipping owners who have registered the ships in foreign countries and live in London, Paris and NYC. The small scale businesses that are typical in Greece can only be taxed so much.

[@aetherion7]

Women have gotten lately the same salary as men, generally, because of the leftists, but first of all the salary-subject is irrelevant anyway with that more people dont have children anymore. Thats how it should be, we cannot all have children it would be like every human works as postman, there is already an overpopulation problem in Hellas compared to countries like Sweden for example. It is a general European problem as well, but the population is to big in Hellas in such a small country. A balance is needed - which means reduction. The population is not "shrinking", its the opposite still as we speak, and that needs to be reduced.

[@allykhan8594]

And the rich leave! May disable them first?

[@redstone5062]

The problem is cultural and not just in Greece. In all of the west, we have adopted a culture that suggests either not having children at all or delaying until your late 30s or even 40s is the smart thing to do. That is past prime fertility age.

[@gunner4life568]

People don't have money hence they delay having kids

[@etienne8110]

It s not about smart or not, it s about being able to afford them. Late stage capitalism makes it impossible for a 20-30 year old couple to own a house and afford kids. Thus they do the smart thing: they don t make them.

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[@pmavrod]

The causes of this decline is not only financial. The last year that fertility rate was 2.1 was in 1982. Since 1986 it collapsed and remained below 1.4-1.5 during 90's and 2000's where we had economical stability and grow. There are numerous reasons for people not having kids. Its a matter of values, choices, perspective of life, the relationchips have changed and the roll of the woman in the society. The minister is an exaple. She doesn't have kids by choice (and she is ahead of that ministry...). Scandinavian countries despite having a strong social state and are financially strong they have a low fertility rate too. With very few exceptions all the countries of the developed world face the same problem in one way or another. The rich countries are a poll for young people (also highly educated), young people from countries like Greece and through that way the deal with the consequences

[@SeattlePioneer]

[@laikanbarth]

Ridiculous!! The EU has opened its borders so of course young people from places like Greece or Italy whose countries don’t have a lot of good paying jobs are going to go to places like Germany and other places in Europe that have more jobs and pay better. Obviously, the open borders are part of the problem. Brining in millions of immigrants is not going to fix the problem especially if they have different cultural and religious norms. It’s just going to cause problems. Maybe if European countries were actually vetting the immigrants to see how they would be a net positive to the countries but they are not. They are just letting anyone come in. This will destroy Europe in the future.

[@ahmedawad563]

Oh don't worry about immigrants. Europe has shot itself in both feet 10 times over now, and it is going to destroy itself. You worry too much about immigrants who don't look like you, yet your democratically-elected white politicians, who share your same culture and religion, are the ones who screwed the entire continent over.

[@Alexander-rr6yn]

Well Italy is far richer than Greece, it’s the only country in the south of Europe on par with other western european countries.

[@SK-kh2rs]

Dont put shabby greece on the same level as italy 😂

[@marybuford9591]

The European union and the USA DIDN'T do enough when tourism declined. Greece is a strategic doorway into Europe. Buying olive oil only from Greece and sardines, olives etc would have kept their economy afloat. It can still be done. They make beautiful Greek sweaters, too.

[@celestialnubian]

Instead of racing towards 10 billion people, how about we go in the other direction.

[@bevturner2258]

Nobody is racing towards 10 billion… Do some research!

[@celestialnubian]

@@bevturner2258 Everyone of you "research" people on youtube are poorly educated folks who didn't attend a university and never did any research. LOL

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

you first. thank you for your service.

[@bevturner2258]

@@SeaJay_Oceans 😂

[@mohammedabdullah4602]

Demographic decline in West and Russia is very important for World peace

[@laikanbarth]

Yeah right, guess you’ve not heard of the Arab wars or the wars in Africa. Educate yourself before making any statement.

[@محبالصحابة-ه6ع]

​@laikanbarth ....americans, Europeans and russians are funding wars in middle east.

[@Slangh]

The middle east has been a battle ground ever since biblical times, back when the "west" and Russia were just backwaters. Maybe the world would be better off with less people living there too?

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@Slangh Not really. Iran was the most impressive civilization of all time and towered above Europe. Still does in some ways. Only a matter of time before the old ways return. Civilizations like Iran and Turkey (less so but still), are juggernauts that can only be suppressed for so long. The Arabs I don't know.....they are......in some trouble. But not Iran.

[@KimberlyPerrotis]

This is so sad. My father left Greece in 1955 because of lack of economic and educational opportunity. Things have only become worse in the last few generations. The 2008 financial crisis was only the straw that broke the camel’s back. I hope some of the Greeks who left when young will return to retire in their home villages or areas, that should provide some jobs to struggling communities. Once they have families abroad, like my father did, it’s not very likely, though.

[@NorceCodine]

But when Greece received the Euro and everybody's pocket was suddenly full of real money, Porsche sold more Porsche SUV's in Greece than in Germany. The Greeks squandered all that sudden wealth, and they squandered the future.