Eurostar - Alstom TMST E300 vs Siemens E320

New E320 trains (Class 374) are gradually being introduced on Eurostar routes. Some TMST set (Class 373) are refurbished (Eurostar E300).

[@Tyme_Whyrlwynd]

I used to call the older models "singing trains" because of their unique and beautiful sound. That is what a real high speed train is supposed to sound like.

[@DanielJacksonMusic]

True

[@bonkersdude9844]

I love the alstom sound more than the Siemens sound

[@mpfy2k]

TAT thetrainguy me to

[@marcusalexander3910]

hcæ o

[@UberChargedTV]

not just only the sound, also the overall design

[@Unix_0]

TGV TMST

[@156abellio]

BonkersDude I Agree But The E320 Has More Seats

[@User-3O3]

The sound of a Class 373 passing at speed is one of the greatest sounds I have ever heard in my life. The aesthetics of the 373 are timeless - it looked like something from of the future in 1994 and still does more than 25 years later. While the 374 might be an all-round superior design to its predecessor; it can never live up to its pedigree.

[@Yosh-wt4lg]

its not really a superior design. In terms of being a high speed train, the TMST is better than the SIemens (In design, the TMST is both more stable and comfortable during high speeds, and also safer). But the Siemens has more seats and is wider (because it didnt have to follow british loading guage).

[@darrenmccoy]

The original Eurostar is the most beautiful high speed train ever made.

[@xfeb388]

I agree.

[@ameerali.ouarda]

Not going to lie the e320 has set a new level, looks even better than the DB ICE

[@travelwithaoi7140]

The ice 3 is the most beautiful and more fast than the Eurostar 373

[@westy6214]

@@travelwithaoi7140 ICE 3, 403/406/407 and ICE-T are amazing

[@vojta4045]

Tgv reseau is also beautiful

[@stephenbinkley]

the old ones looked cooler and sounded better

[@sergiokodemo6925]

The Siemens E320 can be a more modern train, but I prefer the Alstom design and sound.

[@georgecrane8250]

i swear the E320 is just an ice 3 (which is a german high speed train) repainted

[@verhulstlucetsab]

yes

[@nagierwin5705]

Might of George Crane

[@JRSSchattenberg]

ICE 4 you mean?

[@Cloudrak]

You mean the ICE Velaro D?

[@steffenreimann2854]

iZyxel What are you talking about? All 17 Velaro D running smoothly in Germany and France. And their door windows are rectangular too.

[@lamontcranston4436]

The old Eurostar was so much nicer. More comfy, quieter and more spacious. The new sets and interiors are the product of spreadsheet imagination. Great shame.

[@zeisselgaertner3212]

Lamont Cranston That was the decision of Eurostar. Instead of adapting the quiet elegant and classical interior of the German ICE3 they took an Italian design studio to creat something unique :)

[@kiyahicks356]

The one that looks bad and makes those horrendous noises

Seriously !? I was not lucky and by two times, my train got changed by the vintage Eurostar. Travelling in it was so uncomfortable with seats tilted forward, too low. I had cramps all over my legs.

[@paulhester1675]

My first and to date only trip on the Eurostar was on the e300 . I thought they were very comfortable and nicely styled inside and out, Hopefully I get to go again and try out the new sets this year.

[@treinspotterhoofddorp9841]

It isn’t more spacious... It’s very cramped because of the weird british track gauge. I really hated the trains(partially because of a 45 minutes delay)

[@unofficialleeds9084]

From an external perspective at speed, the 373's in the new livery (absolutely unbeatable sound) just beats the 374's. However, from a passanger and engineering perspective, the 374 is better. Both are incredible trains though.

[@basictransportenthusiast4386]

Chris Holloway I rode in a 374 as a passenger and it was rattly loud and very rock hard and uncomfortable. It vibrates too much and I just did not find it fun to sit in for 5 hours. The 373 is very comfy and is spacious. The 373 rides a lot smoother and doesn’t vibrate. But I would agree that the engineer would like the 374 better

[@dansolo6417]

@@basictransportenthusiast4386 I guess the new models are quicker and hold more people which means more money (and less comfort) on each journey which is what they want as it's a business after all and they probably designed better in terms of less defects that bugged the original Eurostars and probably the reason why they reached the end of their lives so soon. aesthetically the Alstrom units looked way better and i loved the sounds it makes when at high speeds!

[@pirozcontractor6006]

@@dansolo6417 The sets for the 373 were articulated, hence the much smoother ride. The E320, however, reverted to traditional two bogie carriage sets which might explain the rattly ride. If I say so myself, it comes off as a bit of a backwards design step.

[@Yosh-wt4lg]

The new one isn't "better" but cheaper to maintain, the old ones actually are safer in a lot of ways, but were to expensive and required too much maintenance compared to the new ones. And the new ones actually are less energy efficient because they consume 10% more energy than the old ones.

[@opicatchu2164]

without hesitation ....Alsthom for the "sound" !!!! but both are beautiful !!!

[@darkfighter3333]

When that E320 passes by, i miss that "woew woew woew" sound of e300 carriages and motorwagens racing by

[@michaelk.608]

Das liegt daran, dass der TGV kürzere Wagons hat!

[@trainlover658]

Alstom just has this look and sound that is just-... Iconic. Something the microwave/TV branded train will never live up to...

[@fuyo5834]

Lol microwave and TV

[@ttvvideos2050]

Shitachi

[@westy6214]

Class 800 🤮

[@ttvvideos2050]

@@westy6214 fully agree

[@Dbiza]

Le bruit typique des TMST ❤️ de l'ASMR ça .

[@variouxical4897]

I Like the Old eurostar alot more but Why is the new one look like a repainted DB Class 407/406?

[@ErebosSan]

Because it is derived from the DB Class 407.

[@Unix_0]

i like the TGV TMST more then the class 374 really brings up good memories

[@pineapplejuice7703]

Where I live I can hear the howling of the Eurostar trains when they come off the Medway bridge and through a tunnel about ten mins from the bridge

[@hartstukken]

Well lucky you...

[@noahshoesmith4106]

1:14 put on ur headphones at half way volume its so cool

[@soundseeker63]

I must say the older sets in the new livery look and sound superb!

[@esthermckenna3149]

The original livery has the better interior, but the newer one has a nicer livery

[@lausimeyer6558]

Best thing of the old Eurostar trains was third rail (750 V = ) ability. That made those trains really special and made it possible to bring modern trains to britain.

[@Wirralspotter]

I love the sound of the 373, always have, always will

[@sherringhamnse2627]

Can't beat the sound of a Class 373/E300 at speed.

[@celovity_747]

E320 is faster

[@mementomori1553]

But the E300 sounds better

[@멘둬]

But i think e300 is more beautiful than e320

[@Bregott07]

By only 20 km/h

[@chrispaw1]

I prefer the original eurostar trains i think...

[@멘둬]

E300 new paint is very beautiful

[@TrainNutter]

I prefer the e300.

[@Klonoa]

TrainNutter me too

[@sullybully]

jayr kevin I agree à lot 😄 Not because I'm French 😂😂 But the TMST is nice to see

[@hamesjeff]

Same

[@hamesjeff]

I like the E300 better because it looks better and I love trains

[@johnboscosekyewa269]

Arapalpjl fflkatkx thttttjjj1st

[@KoploperMau]

Nice thumbnail. :p I have spent 4 hours along the LGV Nord last month and I didn't see the TMST in new livery, unfortunately. :-( I did see a lot of other Eurostars though. :-)

[@ErebosSan]

Today, there are only three refurbished TMST. Hard to see one!

[@darlinelundy8819]

kopomesmo ce London out😺🚄🚃🚌🚇

[@MS46532]

KoploperMau hi

[@misahohimeima1981]

ErebosSan It’s sand now that the last TMST set has gone out of service, it’s just the loco’s left now.

[@breeze1472]

not same not having the ooshing sound as the e300 have.love that

[@familybissong5520]

I don’t like Siemens bicause my favorite is Classic Eurostar classe 373 😡😡😡😒😒😒

[@cholloway0046]

Dont worry if you dont like the new Eurostar - I hear they replace their trains once every Twenty years.

[@kiyahicks356]

or you just googled how long 373s were in service for and just said what you said.

[@lausimeyer6558]

E320 is the best train, Eurostar could get. German perfection.

[@Beefandbird412]

The e300 sounds more better. It is more comfy. The seats don’t even recline at all in the e320.

[@kyle123481]

Awesome Video, I really like Eurostars!!

[@CraftyPeach1]

Am I acvtually one of those people that don't hate on both of them? I like both of them. Likes of e320: Nice aerodynamics, looks modern. Has more seats, and is longer. The right requirements to go to the Netherlands(which it is) A cool sound when it departs. Can go up to 320km/h. Likes of TMST: Really nice sound when it departs. Old, but fast. They look pretty cool. It just has that..thing to it. When you pass it, it goes either wooowooowooo, or vevevee(I cannot reproduce the sounds) Can go up to 300km/h. (Not as fast as the e320s, mind you.) Both of them are good in my opinion.

[@mrlegoboeingfan6749]

I liove the E300 better because I love the classic Hum sound when it passes.

[@nico5173]

I really prefere the old one, look more agressive , the new one look like a caterpillar.

[@SadieTwinsG]

top 1 best sounds in the world no1. 0:48

[@darrenrose5280]

1:13 cars intro

[@trijetz3562]

speed, I am speed

[@mathieujouan]

Is there no colour chart at Eurostar? Why do the new trains not use the same blue and the same yellow? The new colours look cheap.

[@TrainzEchelleN]

MJ i actually like it

[@fugf1623]

Another exemple how Old things can be better than the newest one. And its not nostalgia, the old eurostar are better in every damn categories, except acceleration maybe. Those units are 27 yo ...

[@PlanesTrainsFan]

The e300 is my 3 favourite train after the intercity 125 and 225

[@domigogms6745]

hope type E300 will back with new TGV M model. otherwise this sound will be missed in

[@elnido9907]

Looks like your not all wrong there about the original Eurostars. They do look and sound more powerful as they pass with that uuuummmmpphhhh in them as each carriage passes and less rattles as they have articulated boggies. They want very reliable however in the winter when snow and ice got into their large side vents. Alstoms AGV used in italy never been used back on home soil yet. Also on youtube there is a video called Abandoned Eurostar that is now scrapped with graffeti on it in the middle of nowhere in France. The video on You Tube is The abandoned eurostar train.

[@aviationchannel6204]

Class 373 is better

[@temslink2000]

The problem i have is the og livery and logo was better imo if thet wanted to update it maybe make the doors a destinct colour to help the blind but secondly the thing i like about the alstom tmst e300/br373 is how it built on the arguably better platform of the tgv (and i still think its better than the siemens units even if the modern designs are fugly) but also the old units were a joint venture between gec in the UK, alstom in france and BN in Belgium providing jobs for the 3 contries in which the units would be serving, selling the job off to siemens seems like a low blow for a europe that is supposed to be working together yet all the orders seem to be going to siemens at the expense of the workers in the countries in which these units serve

[@hmasonhicks]

Actually, I prefer the look and the general level of passenger comfort (seats and interior appointments) of the Siemens trainsets, but the ride quality of the old Alstom trainsets is far superior. This is best experienced inside the Eurotunnel itself: There, the Alstom trainsets felt like they were stationary. Inside the blackness of the tunnel, there were few motion queues to indicate the speed that you were traveling. However, the Seimens trainsets have all the motion and track sway that you would experience on normally exposed tracks...

[@LumaControl]

is the alstom tmst is more TGV/TGV-Thalys like?

[@TheDoof0412]

More TGV like

[@alfiewhittaker3763]

RIP eurostar classic thumbsdown for e320

[@ischbinsnur]

For any valid reasons or fanboyism?

[@fariasttiago]

ischbinsnur because the older train had Parisian style and was simply better and chic and outside it had a much better noise from the wind

[@alfiewhittaker3763]

the sound as they go by is better

[@lukasdell134]

Tiago Farias you don’t buy a train just because ist sounds better from the outside...? You buy them because they are more energy efficient and more comfortable!

[@steffenreimann2854]

Most of the e300s were doomed in winter 2009/2010. Without a replacement of the rusted TGV scrap their would be no permanent connection between the island and the continent anymore.

[@Cactus732]

Nothing beats the sound of the E300, especially that roar of the power cars at low speed.

[@donaldthomson7682]

I Live near Didcot Oxfordshire, were they are just installing the gantries for electrifying the line . I would like to know why it is that the Eurostar lines gantries are just like street lampposts (unobtrusive ) were as the ones going in at Didcot are great big ugly heavy steel girders. Are us brits being 'RIPPED OFF AGAIN '

[@Cloudrak]

Same thing there I live... (Slough)

[@russouk]

Front of old eurostar looks like homer simpson

[@awesometrainsandbuses]

373 by miles

[@dankstuff6127]

Why don't they send the 374s back to ice They look like 🐌 s

[@christianfalke121]

0:35 Typical german ICE sound 😱. At high velocity I really must admit that the fast waggon change of the alstom eurostar sounds very impressive and demonstrates the high-speed ability. The Velaro Eurostar instead sounds a little bit boring but more continous and silent. Maybe good for people which are affected from the track noise.

[@bugofcake]

Alstom just makes the best trains, simple

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

Class 458? Class 180??

[@jackpez]

E300 has its own design while the E320 is literally just an Ice Velaro D repainted

[@jamieleestransporthub]

Class 373 FTW class 374 FTL

[@willmelbourne]

Nice photoshopped thumbnail...

[@ErebosSan]

I know! If the E320 had been 5 minutes late, it could be real!

[@nhatvychannel4814]

ErebosSan jnb7h

[@manucast7109]

Will Melbourne

[@VinceHere98]

U don’t even know if it’s even photoshopped or not dude.....

[@willmelbourne]

TotalBoogeymenH2Oplus Take a look at the first reply to my comment...

[@johnbarber6433]

The new design of the Eurostar e320 is fussy and bizarre. There are fewer seats with window views than the previous model e300 ....but I note that the luggage racks are next to windows. Unbelievable! Was this model actually designed by a person or by a robot?

[@alexoverton152]

I love the new velaro trains, but I love the sound older Alstom trains make with the shorter cars.

[@toshiyuki885]

Original Eurostar has french aesthetic sence. New germany IC-Eurostar looks Humptydumpty(笑)

[@LudoTrain]

Belle vidéo ! Niveau esthétique, je préfère l'ancienne version, et non la nouvelle déjà pour son bruit qui fait plus train que l'E320 dont le bruit n'est pas vraiment évocateur, et pour la livrée je prendrais la nouvelle appliquées sur les TMST!

[@chillinbro5423]

Both are good

[@DB_137]

I like how the new Siemens e320s look, but I think I prefer the old class 373 e300s

[@otoojk]

Sorry but that E320 is nasty looking.

[@R9naldo]

Why does the e320 have 8 PANTOGRAPH'S ??? WASTE OF MONEY FOR 6 UN USED PANTOGRAPH'S

[@zeisselgaertner3212]

Dese Different countries require different width of pantographs. So when these trains are supposed to connect the UK with France, Belgium, the Netherlands and perhaps Germany one day they have to be equiped that way.

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

It's for different countries - 25kV AC, 15kV AC, 3kV DC, 1.5kV DC, two pantographs for each one for redundancy

[@freewal]

Germans know to build cars but not trains. Let french do it.

[@steffenreimann2854]

Amazigh Blue Azul - VIVE RIF - ANTI ZAFZAFI Do you know that they must replace most of the French e300s with the German e320 because they rusted in the winter of 2009/2010? Scrap after only 15 years isn't a good proof for your statement.

[@freewal]

Alstom E300s are excellent, If Eurostar (owns by french state company SNCF) choose the SIemens E320, it's for political reasons and nothing technical

[@steffenreimann2854]

Amazigh Blue Azul - VIVE RIF - ANTI ZAFZAFI No the opposite! A French company (owned bye the government) always prefere a French product. Siemens is German. And why you think the e300 is excellent? It is slower, less efficient, carry less passengers and of course is prone to corrosion!

[@Yosh-wt4lg]

​@@steffenreimann2854 Eurostar isn't really a french company , and it's not for technical reasons but mainly because the new ones are way cheaper. They are actually less safe, many of the security standars are now gone because they were too expensive. The new one consume 10% more energy because of it's disign, but for a reason people say it's more energy efficient (?) The old one has jacob bogies, wich made him really safe in case of a derailment, the proof is in 1994 a train derailled at 2 9 0 km/h and only 14 minor injuries and the train didn't roll over and stayed straight on the tracks. The european union at first wouldn't accept the new train to ride in the tunnel because it was not respecting fire safety regulations, because of its distributed traction, so they had to change the safety regulation to let the train go (suspicious lol). The old one had a smoother ride, way smoother, mainly because of it's articulated disign, also for the same reason it was quiter inside. The rust is a real problem, for both trains tho. So your point isn't valid here. You are right on the fact that - E300 is slower (even tho it could reach 330Km/h but it's less safe i guess) - It carries more passengers but also has less cars wich means less confort so :/ - And the rust also, but it's valid for both And i forgot, but the old ones aren't going to diseapear, they were refurbished allowing them to continue beyond 2020 11 sets are in service (8 refurbished, 3 old units) and 16 were scrapped

[@steffenreimann2854]

@@Yosh-wt4lg There is no statistic that say that Jakobs is better in terms of safety as a conventional solution! The e320 is more efficient due to the fact that it can transfer the power back in to the catenary while braking. Of course it consumes more power because it has much more engine power 16 MW vs 12.2 MW. Consumption is not efficiency! F.e. a train consumes more energy as a car but it's also more energy efficient than a car because it can carry more mass per(!) power as a car.

[@maraboutdeficelle3763]

Eurostar E320 is the best

[@1cmman]

Great footage and nice angles, wish I could see these trains for real but they don´t exist in my country. I think the Siemens trains are rather noisy when driving off especially compared to the Shinkansen which is far more quiet.

[@tankman_tv9332]

Its a siemens, they always flex the noise of their motors lol, even on their diesels (one example the sc-44) the motor is louder than the engine itself

[@joeljeanbaptiste9991]

Ça fait rien un e320 qui plafonne à 300! vitesse max sur la LGV Nord. le 20 de plus ,c'est pour ne pas perdre la face avec les euroduplex. les ICE de la DB ont une cartouche 330! une blague ! vitesse qu'il n'est incapable d'atteindre, y a qu'à foutre un 400 à la limite...

[@NeoDerGrose]

That's right but they could use their top speed on the way to Marseille. And maybe in the future they will use LGV Picardie to Paris instead of LGV Nord.

[@joeljeanbaptiste9991]

NeoDerGrose Ça serait cool, mais pour l'instant les seuls Eurostar a être autorisé à descendre sur Marseille sont les alstoms TMST, je vois mal SNCF réseau donner une validation pour les e320 sur la LGV méditerranée. D'ailleurs, la DB devait faire rouler des ICE Velaro sur Stuttgart-Marseille en 2014, ils n'ont pas eu d'autorisation pour défaut constructeur chez Siemens, finalement se sont des TGV euroduplex plus fiables qui assurent cette relation jusqu'à présent. C'est dommage.

[@itzepicgaming_774]

Eurostar 320 is better because its up to date tech. It looks much sleeker, more energy effecient, and carries more passenger, which means more money for Eurostar. The cars are longer than Class 373. 373 was sucked because it corroded very fast.

[@basictransportenthusiast4386]

The old ones are a lot more comfortable than the new ones. And the new ones are tight so the Alstom ones are way better. And the new ones rattle more than the old ones.

[@nerimenxo7199]

I go on that train evry time I go to france or i take ryanair

[@davidmoore1253]

I love the design of the old Eurostar. The new one looks a bit fat to me. I just prefer 20th century aesthetics, it seems. I assume these are all in France? I'm British and I noticed there doesn't seem to be much fencing to protect the track. I've just read about a eurostar colliding with a wild boar in France; I doubt that would happen here, even if we had wild boar. Certainly here in London the railways are protected like fortresses. Nice camerawork by the way, could go on TV!

[@ErebosSan]

You're right, an Eurostar train hit a boar near Calais last November. High speed lines are always protected by fences (see at 1:24). Perhaps was there a damaged fence?

[@danigaming1800]

I really like the old hero star cause the other thing Is an ice train and k think they taker it out the German depoad

[@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627]

I like the way the track-side has been planted.

[@CoolTransport]

the 373 has the better noise however I like the look of the 374 more

[@maraboutdeficelle3763]

im french !!!

[@SouthCoastTrainspotter]

Awesome Video

[@tchautdefrance9982]

Je préfère Alstom TMST E300 eurostart que les Siemens E320

[@Trainsforlife89]

Magnifique....or should i say sugoi desu!!! Amazing shots, really professional trainspotting here!! Eurostar have done an amazing job in choosing rolling stock. It's sad to see the majority of 373 trains retiring...

[@ErebosSan]

Thank you (ou should I say efcharisto!). I like 373 series too.

[@Trainsforlife89]

ErebosSan Domo arigato, Erebos san! Keep up your amazing trainspotting action! Also looking forward to your next trip to Japan, i am a big fan of the Japanese railways!

[@ErebosSan]

I return to Japan next November :-)

[@Trainsforlife89]

ErebosSan Looking forward to some new videos from Nihon!

[@Ferrouest]

Belle vidéo ! Combien de TMST seront rénovées en e300 ? En tout cas, je trouve que la nouvelle livrée est vraiment magnifique...

[@williamradford9631]

Never been on the new Euro Star E320s, they never stop at Ashford. The standard Euro Stars are great, nice seats and on board buffet

[@hierony5471]

E320 looks much better, but I agree the old ones sound better

[@Croco140]

What ? This horrible thing looks like an earthworm

[@BobNewbie]

It appears that the class 374's have more pantographs than the 373's, but i was expecting at least 4, seems to be more than that

[@ErebosSan]

A class 374 trainset has 8 pantographs: one for each current system (25 kVac, 15 kVac, 3 kVdc, 1.5 kVdc), all duplicated for redundancy.

[@BobNewbie]

Oh I see, thanks

[@n700s9]

連接台車を採用してるからなのかジョイント音がロマンスカーVSEと似ているところがあります。

[@nemesis_s1755]

Alstom is the "master" designer and train creator. The TGV (e320) is bette and moreau beautiful than the Siemens e320. French perfection and design + sound

[@Dbiza]

E300

[@たまゆう]

ユーロスターもカッコいいですね！！

[@denelson83]

Also known as PBL vs PBLA Eurostar sets.

[@alexcleary1459]

e320s are OK but gnc Alstom 373s are the mother of all trains hon the 373s zooooooooooooooooooooom

[@Dbiza]

Gec AIstom

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

​@@DbizaGEC-ALSTHOM

[@Aleksgaart]

De klass, von jebanirung! Класс, ебануца!

[@bowlerwildcatGaming1991]

I like the old trains they look and sound awesome

[@RandomVarietyz]

EuroStar is best and it got scrapped and abondoned

[@alwantamalus3709]

Just enjoy the silence before and after train passage.

[@Vxllain]

whooshwhooshwooshwooshwooshwooshwooshwooshwooshwooshwooshzoom! E300 is better in sound, not design though. That goes to the E320.

[@jackcassady9786]

i am one of your subscribers because i love trains

[@jakiymajnun]

What's type of 2 coach in the middle that's put between some others coach that has large window it's only there's two coach?

[@Hobomayoy]

I miss the whistle made by the older model.

[@Metal85King]

j'aime vraiment beaucoup tes vidéos

[@ErebosSan]

merci !

[@tomaszek137]

I personally prefer e320

[@ttvvideos2050]

no

[@trainlover11playzgoodbyetr4]

4:00 what the f*ck are they

[@TheDoof0412]

What?