EV Charger Legislation & Gov Spying! 😲

[@PaulMcCormack1968]

Mrs EV steals the show as ever

[@cloggsy1971]

What do you mean she didn’t get her kit off…

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@cloggsy1971 You're not a patron, are you? 😉

[@Telcontarnz]

She’s EVW. Mrs EV is another channel…also steals the show on that channel!

[@markyates5744]

You trying to compete with onlyfans now 😁

[@briangriffiths114]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

[@Flash1857]

Right, people under estimate power of meta data, and ways into electronic devices

[@williamarmstrong7199]

@@Flash1857 really how much interest do you think anyone is in your specigic data? Being one of Millions upon millions of anonomus data streems and you are worried? Wow..

[@williamarmstrong7199]

@@waynemoore8615 so your personal data is worth someone looking at? Really? Out of the 70 odd million people in the UK they single you out for attention? How many people would they need to employ to do 70 million people? 1/2 a million? Is your data worth that much? Lol..

[@stepheng8779]

​@@williamarmstrong7199 Don't be silly, of course your personal data is important. You probably still think every time you vote it's anonymous don't you?

[@wayland7150]

@@williamarmstrong7199 Some people are key, very important and disruptive to government. Britain First leader Paul Golding has been banned from driving which will be official on Friday. It seems the police contacted his insurance company and got them to cancel his insurance. (I've experienced this except my company would not budge.) Then before he knew his insurance was cancelled the police pulled him over and prosecuted him for driving without insurance. Yes, they are not doing this to 70 million people but they can pick on one person very easily. If they would do this then they would cut the charge to your car or what ever vulnerability they could leverage. Yes you can get round it but it makes life harder when it's hard enough. As for 70 million people are you forgetting we had masks and lockdowns, what if they decide you can't have electricity due to "The Climate Crisis"? This used to be Global Warming, then Climate Change but now it's a CRISIS! In a crisis the government will take drastic measures.

[@TheStuartmcgivern1]

Could it be so they can add some form of "fuel duty" to the electricity we put into our cars in the future?

[@jonwetherell5214]

Too easy to get around with granny chargers etc. Although I do agree once the government can not get their fuel duty fix they are going to look at some way to tax EVs

[@vylbird8014]

Could do, but it would be really easy to evade. There will come a point when the government will have to tax EVs more because of the loss of fuel duty revenue, but it won't be like that. More likely it'll be some sort of mileage tax.

[@ayumuaikawa]

@@vylbird8014 is fuel tax a sin tax ? If that's the case there should be no reason to tax it for EV, that would go over the point of all this

[@vylbird8014]

@@ayumuaikawa Fuel tax long predates any concern over climate. It's /supposed/ to be to cover road maintenance cost, an in that sense to be somewhat fair: The more someone uses the roads, the more they pay to keep them in good condition. People hate being taxed to pay for something they don't personally benefit from. But really, it's all a lie: Money is perfectly fungible, that's the whole point of it.

[@ayumuaikawa]

@@vylbird8014 oh okay thanks I didn't knew it was for road maintenance, make sense then

[@craiglawrence5211]

Another fantastic, informative video that cuts through the FUD. Cheers EVM.

[@6dotdotdot]

Thanks

[@henryhyam5148]

"With the ability to measure, record and transmit usage in minutes and of units of energy." That will provide the ability to separate car-charging electric usage from domestic-usage and thereby to apply 20% VAT rather than the 5% applied to domestic consumption. Which will be the same rate as applied to 'commercial/public' charging points. It may well be about the grid, but it's also about tax revenue.

[@mac326a]

Kerching, Boom, and there she blows, knocked it out of the park.....!! Well done Henry, while all the other folks bicker about data privacy and the significance or lack of it, from under the veil the real motivation is revealed! Hopefully the (tax) penny has dropped! Make use of the cheap fuel transitional disparity while it lasts, and remember it's all a stitch up😆

[@deanm7430]

Interesting take on smart chargers and their eventual use. However I recently saw a report from Colorado where residents on smart meters had their A/C turned off because of an emergency situation they were reassured that they could overside restrictions but not in this case. I am sure UK government would never use these powers of control they've never controlled our lives before.

[@RupertBear412]

EVM seems to have a blind faith in the 'govt' and the equally benevolent power company's

[@rabidpb]

That was a case where customers had specifocally signed up to a tariff where they agreed to have their non-crotical loads reduced during times of demand, in exchange for cheaper rates. Then they complained about the very thing they'd signed up for, happening.

[@andymccabe6712]

@@RupertBear412 that's because he's intelligent and realistic enough to understand that conspiracy theories about 'government control' are ALWAYS complete bollocks .......!!

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@andymccabe6712 Like the government will never lock us in our homes using the police to enforce it.

[@wayland7150]

Obviously once the smart chargers can be controlled from a central point the Illuminati have control if they need it. For instance during the lockdown they were trying all sorts of ways of keeping people at home. Limiting car charging would limit how much people would drive. However they have been quite successful at getting us to control our own behaviour just not all of us. Most told not to drive would probably abide by that but other people would not be deterred even if their charger switched off. Electric cars are quite simple to charge so those people would have an alternative charging socket.

[@andrewdyson4255]

What do you mean No I’m a member

[@Muppetkeeper]

Brilliant video EVM, I’m an electricity distribution engineer, and you’ve hit the nail on the head, and explained it very clearly.

[@wayland7150]

Do you think the distribution can cope if all cars were electric and we drove just as we do now?

[@Muppetkeeper]

@@wayland7150 I've looked into this. I'm an ex-distribution engineer, used to design networks in Yorkshire. There will be quite a few places that need some local distribution upgrades, but that has always been the case. The distribution network wasn't put in overnight, it has been built and upgraded for over 100 years. People saying "it won't cope" like to forget that it's continually being upgraded. As for car charging, the average number of mile driven in the UK is reducing, due to congestion. Last year (after covid bounceback) it was 7800 miles. Given even the big SUV EVs we have now do 4 miles per kWh, that means a person only has to charge a car 4% of the time they own it, at 6.5kW. Once smaller cars are available, the miles per kWh will increase, but also many young people are just giving up on cars to own, many live in cities and they are pointless there. When they want to leave the city, they hire one. Personally I've sold a car, bought an eBike, that does around 2500 mpg equiv.

[@wayland7150]

@@Muppetkeeper e-bike is probably the most sensible electric vehicle. I don't think conventional cars make sense electrified, they are not as good as petrol and diesel and cannot be. I say cannot be but there are two technologies that would have to improve greatly, batteries and charging. Instead society is having to change. It changed around the motorcar and now is changing around the forced move to electric.

[@damiendye6623]

@@wayland7150 yes because we have 24 hours in a day and most people only do 10 miles as day so would be charged in just over an hour.

[@kendallinger505]

Nice video explaining the reasons for the new regulations . Many years ago (Early 90’s) when my estate was built, it was electric only and therefore E7 with storage radiators. I had 3 * 3kw, 2*2kw, +immersion on E7, which would have been up to 15KW of load, coming on at 00:30-07:30, in winter, twice the amount my EV charger will put out. I spoke to one of the meter fitters at the time about this, about 60 property’s pulling this amount of power all at the same time, and he said all of the E7 meters were time set incorrectly, so that there was a spread over probably 30 minutes as to when the actual E7 period started and stopped. Now, one of the problems with SM’s is that the time is automatically set, so it is not possible to adjust as to when the 00:30 (for example ) time starts. So it will become more important to have this remote control to stagger the start time to help balance the grid ramp up. Also I can see more TOU tariffs being developed which spread the start time for off peak between say 23:00 and 02:00, and as long as the customer knows what time their off-peak rate is, they can also time high usage appliances within the home.

[@Chappers.Gaming]

No! that's for members Only! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@kevfquinn]

Good stuff. One thing I'd add; the security provisions are there, partly to keep your usage patterns secret from snoopers I guess, but mostly for national security. It's to help prevent malicious actors subverting the system to cause infrastructure damage by e.g. switching on all the car chargers simultaneously, or causing all charging to not happen one night, and so on.

[@jonwetherell5214]

And plug them into all the cars as well?😁

[@damiendye6623]

@@waynemoore8615 completely didn't watch the video or understand it did you

[@AndreChavesDamasio]

It's always a plus when the girls are featured, plus bonus for the joke. Very informative video, That's exactly why I became a member! EVfamily rocks

[@markhamilton7289]

A logical and straightforward explanation. It’ll never catch on!

[@mikew3105]

A total misconception that a smart meter saves you money, it does not.

[@gchecosse]

Saves loads because without one you can't have a time variable tariff like Octopus Go

[@mikew3105]

@@gchecosse you can get the same with a dual meter and timer, but they force you to have a smart meter by saying you can't have that tariff

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@gchecosse Only if your a high energy user at night... otherwise you're paying more than a standard tariff.

[@damiendye6623]

yes it does, if you move yourself to a time out use tarrif it saves shed loads. just because you didn't move to a smart tarrif is not he fault of the meter but the bill payer not taking advantage of the technology.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@gchecosse I think the point made is that it's not the smart meter that saves you money, it doesn't. Your suggestion was that it allows use of a different tariff, yes but then the saving is a function of the tariff, not of the smart meter alone. I have had the phone calls telling me thati need a smart meter. It's fun asking why. Answers range from: It will save you money but they only say "you can monitor usage". To this I'm happy to explain my home monitoring via emonpi and energy monitoring plugs. They try: "You don't need to read the meter". I then refer to many instances of meter submission that I make and ask them if they can identify that I have as problem with meter reading. They try: "It's required by law by the government". You can guess where that conversation goes rather quickly.

[@richardoakley8800]

It should also be noted that the local sub stations couldn't cope with all the demand either

[@johndoyle4723]

Thanks, well explained, most EV owners are well attuned to saving money, and technology, and will have no problem with this. Most of us if we have off road parking will already be on Octopus, or similar(however Octopus is the best), we just have to adapt and adopt. The area between your chart at 100% and actual usage is prime for utilisation, and I use it with home battery and load shifting.

[@johnh3095]

Great episode, love the jokes! If we have nothing to hide them we shouldn't care of the Gov or Energy company spy on your usage. As long as they put you on the most suitable tariff for your usage, then that's fine.

[@PhilipBallGarry]

Very informative, thank you! Also - I want that "soft start" bathroom light 👍

[@joeynessily]

The smart charger is to help so they can slow down or shut off your car when the grid is under strain… otherwise they’ll just shut off your entire house if they have to lol. Early adopter charger fitted to my house, will work wonders for my house price, in the future, I can put on Rightmove ‘24/7’ unlimited car charging. Nice.

[@Muppetkeeper]

Did you watch any of the video?

[@richardoakley8800]

Its basic mathematics.. the uk can make 82 giggawatts..it we go full electric for cars buses and hgv's they would need over 500 giggawatts of electricity if all plugged in at once. So the smart chargers are made to suspend charing if there isn't enough to go round The

[@Muppetkeeper]

@@richardoakley8800 Would love to see the source document for “500 giggawatts”

[@richardoakley8800]

@@Muppetkeeper try multiplying 32.7 million cars x 7kw =228 giggawatts Then add 498000 hgv's x 750 kw =373.5 giggawatts Don't forget to add on construction...all those diggers will need . So over 500 giggawatts.. So 10% would need 50 giggawatts ontop of normal uk usage.. even royal mail and Eddie Stoddart would cause local outages

[@Muppetkeeper]

@@richardoakley8800 And what happens now if 32 million cars decide to go to the petrol station?

[@jezlawrence720]

Lol I'm on octopus go and indeed I'm one of those wierdos who DOES set my battery to come on a little while into my cheap rate start, and my water tank half an hour later: to help the grid avoid a sudden 6kwh spike from my house!

[@JohnR31415]

I do it to avoid issues from clock slew 😂

[@eliotmansfield]

I have two 3kw immersion heater elements in my tank - I stagger them by about 30 seconds, mainly because I don’t want a huge sudden load generating a noise spike (well sag)

[@Hyfly13]

Octopus already vary the tariff times between customers

[@garyheavens2389]

Great Video. I like your down to earth sense of humour. There are a lot of people, especially the media, in scare tactics, every EV car fire makes headlines but nothing when its a petrol one?

[@farmtype]

Basically the smart meter is so they can tax the energy at 20% vat as its for use in a road vehicle not domestic energy. I would say they will also add some more duty on this energy as well much the same as petrol or derv. They will make the energy companies levy these extra costs to the bills. Therefor if I had a dumb charger I defo wouldn't change it

[@xxwookey]

The smart meter doesn't know which device power is going into - it's all just electricity. Perhaps you mean the remote charger control?

[@FlyingFun.]

Well explained. It could also ( with vehicle to grid ) be used to ask for power from the car in peak times and you would actually make money by selling it at a higher rate than you bought it for off peak.

[@paulmatthews9366]

You'll also have an empty car.... hope you don't need to go anywhere

[@FlyingFun.]

@@paulmatthews9366 you would just set it for a level that you are prepared to go down to and only when its convenient and you're likely to not need the car. Say you get home with 60 or 70% left at 5pm , you could give up 20 or 30% no worries and then charge back up later in off peak. Not sure I'd like to do it on current battery tech as will affect the lifespan of battery but lifepo4 chemistry is pretty good cycle wise so be worth thinking about.

[@dank9561]

​@@paulmatthews9366 No you won't - you tell the car/charger how much battery % or kWh you're willing to let it sell back to the grid and what time you need it to charge up again by.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

My car would power my house at normal usage for 5 days. Not sure you’ve got the figures close to reality.

[@paulmatthews9366]

@@ElectricVehicleMan you're assuming anything the gov does or gets involved with is remotely designed with your benefit or convenience in mind

[@bubukittyfek]

Smart meters, an easy way for energy companies to switch them over to pre paid meters via a mobile signal when you fall behind on your bills....

[@havoctrousers]

an electrician fitting a commando socket is supposed to consider the typical loads that will be attached to it. If the typical load is a portable EVSE then they should be fitting it to the regs in BS7671 special location 722, which means a tighter consideration of the earthing arrangements, minimum type A RCD etc. That might make it a little more expensive to install if your electrician is a stickler for regs, however, I can't see how the government could enforce EV charge point legislation on commando sockets installed domestically since they are just dumb fixed wiring like a regular socket.

[@rbdogwood]

I have a 'dumb' charger, what's the likelihood of getting an upgrade subsidy?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

None.

[@wobby1516]

A lot of people don’t understand that power has to be used as it’s generated it can’t be stored as raw electrons in a tank! It can of course be store chemically in batteries or as water pumped up to a reservoir. Those of peak periods are periods of wasted energy as the generators have to keep turning and that’s why energy companies offer incentives to use the power during off peak times. It’s also why smart chargers and meters are so important, not a means for government to control us, more a means for the energy companies to control and safeguard the grid. It’s good common sense and a win win for both consumers and energy companies.

[@markyates5744]

Commando sockets don't have a few safety features that dedicated chargers have. one is DC backflow from the car to the house, the other is a PEN fault, if the phased electricity in the street sends live down the earth then there's enough amps to kill, and a dedicated chargers can detect that and shut it off. Both incredibly unlikely but very dangerous.

[@stephenrichards5386]

What smart meters can do is adjust the instantaneous price of energy and thereby control your use. The have been doing it in california for years

[@damiendye6623]

yes and you should pay more in times of high demand and pay less when less demand. you accept it every where else in your life.

[@stephenrichards5386]

@@damiendye6623 not every other commodity is a monopoly. Energy supply and generation has a very limited supply side. However, it's true that they are currently tied to wholesale prices.

[@pawpawbandit3871]

super important topic that needs addressed and policies need made

[@PabloTBrave]

We still may need more power stations. The UK has 30 million cars on the roads if all were BEV ( which they won't be for a few decades);and they all charge at night ( which is unlikely ever ) that's 210 GW UK power generation is 75.8GW and of course solar isn't available at night . Plus extra will be needed for all these heat pumps which will be on at night as night is colder than day .

[@bogtastic5662]

Tin hats aside, my concerns about "Smart" meters and centrally controlled EV chargers which can effectively prevent power delivery are: 1) unexpected behaviour due to programming errors, 2) Hacking by malicious actors, and 3) Incorrect operation of the central systems. There have been enough examples of each of these situations to allow rational human beings to think twice before allowing central control of essential services. I'm sure that security systems are in place but there is no such thing as an unhackable system.

[@christophlambpie]

Hello Mr EV. I am trying to choose between a Polestar 2 standard range single motor with plus pack and the Megane e-tech launch edition. Which would you choose?

[@johnwinters4201]

It's not just the turning on of kettles which caused the peak. People would also go and use the loo, then flush it. Big increase in demand for water meaning the big pumps cut in to refill the tanks which supply the houses.

[@andymccabe6712]

Well, that's easy to solve - you shouldn't BE flushing every time!! It's A HUGE waste of water........

[@johnwinters4201]

@@andymccabe6712 On the contrary, very difficult to solve. Changing the habits of vast numbers of people is an immense undertaking.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@andymccabe6712 You know the flushing toilets is a big part of why we're not disease ridden now?

[@johnwinters4201]

@@waynemoore8615 Not sure why I'm getting all these irrelevant responses to a piece of purely factual information, but do you really think those changes were easy to achieve?

[@dizzyikea]

I support this idea. That said i usually charge with an end time so i start at the last minute to be full at 04:30 better to have the battery a little warm when i get up

[@damiendye6623]

which is why the chargers ask when you how much you want and by what time.

[@dudejames5681]

"the ignorant will always participate in their own demise"

[@barriewilliams4526]

Exactly!

[@damiendye6623]

EVM isn't a troy votor so I don't think so.

[@PabloTBrave]

A couple of minutes is ok but If you only have 3 hours odd peak electricity and they delay it by 30 mins you only have 2.5 hours off peak power

[@wayland7150]

If your car requires 120 miles of charge for 60 mph driving and you had 3 hours to charge your car you'd have to charge at 40 mph. I don't think the home chargers go that fast.

[@jonevansauthor]

No, that's for... nicely done, most amusing.

[@johngreen1060]

Thanks, I wasn't aware of it. I don't like new tech being used for pushing invigilation, anti-repair an other anti-consumer agendas. It would be nice if the video provided information on what we can do about it (any privacy respecting alternatives? blocking Internet access?) rather than dismissing it as a non issue. It is an issue when the alternative is driving a petrol car, not installing PV or energy storage.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

As said in the video, you can turn it all off or override it.

[@johngreen1060]

@@ElectricVehicleMan thanks, I assumed you can change the settings but data connection (and collection) will be active. If this all can be turned off that's great.

[@steveelkins52]

You can do what you want to do. At the moment, watch this space

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

They’re amongst us!

[@JBoy340a]

Wonderful explanation. We don't have such legislation here in the US. But some states are stopping gas car and light truck sales by 2035. FWIW I charge during the mid-morning since I work from home and have solar and batteries. At that time, the two often provide enough energy so I can charge without using any power from the grid.

[@plasticcreations7836]

I do wonder if they ever do restrict EV charging in the daytime how that will work for people who are charging from home solar? Not sure if they will be able to determine that.

[@wayland7150]

That's just a technical problem. What EVM was saying is the default setting of the charger is to let the grid set the charging times. That you could set it to charge when you want, which in the case of solar you would.

[@plasticcreations7836]

I didn't mean the current implementation. There has been discussion around whether they might totally ban EV charging at off-peak times (which would generally be in the daytime) and therefore you might not be able to set it to use solar. Might never happen - it was just a thought.

[@wayland7150]

@@plasticcreations7836 It depends on how they implement it and if they want to use it to limit your driving. I would expect they could override the setting you chose if there was a "Climate Emergency" and Liz Truss was advised that to limit the spread of Covid Monkey Pox that was overheating the country that EVs had to be prevented from taking to the road system. You would either be one of those people who would find another way or you'd just be stuck at home.

[@shockthemonkey7046]

Fact of the matter is for now they are doing damage limitation as the ev numbers grow which is fair enough but do you honestly believe that government energy policy will plan and provision for ev adoption growth in a timely and orderly manner?

[@xlerb_again_to_music7908]

Mostly right there! Key points: there is no such single thing as "the grid". You have: generators, retailers, the NationalGrid (both a company and a network) and the DNOs (UKPN, WPD, SSE etc.) People think that cables via pylons _are_ the grid. Nope, that's the NationalGrid transmission system and under 3% of all UK power cables. The rest are owned by the DNOs - the Distribution Network Operators, and are usually buried under roads and pavements. So these are not seen. Alas, we are not out of the woods yet. The DNO 230V networks to your homes - assuming you are not on an estate built to use overnight storage heaters - is good for 1 to 2.4 kW continuous to each home - some slightly more, but usually not that much margin. Hm. How many kW do EVs charge at, HPs too? More. The old networks cannot support 100% EV or HP rollout; it was (in the UK) built for "lighting+" duties. It will cope with the occasional peak though, like a shower being taken. Next up. You've described the communications system which is via your home SMEST2 and travels over a special comms network (look up DCC). This is NOT an Internet of Things / cloud system, which is how most retailers (think Octopus who use Amazon's AWS system) will control your charging. That is, the wonders and security built into DCC is - sidestepped for an overseas IoT service for app control. Hm. Hope that IoT service keeps going OK! What does this all mean? Today, not much... The randomised charging is about grid "whole system" frequency stability. And today, local overloads have no explicit control mechanism - as the DNOs (the people who maintain the 97% of wires) do not know who to tell "Turn that overload down!" - the data is not available. Suppose EV charging of 300 kW was on a street with a 230V system good for 200 kW. Who is coordinating this, to stop overloads? Today, no-one. The DNO can't turn that down as they have no idea who to talk to. Better then to upgrade those cables and local transformers, hidden around corners of estates? Well, there are some plans for that as part of RIIO-ED2 (don't ask). Um, there are about 1/4 million of those guys supplying c. 30 million homes via c. 250,000 km of buried cables. Think about replacing those! This stuff was my job.

[@jonwetherell5214]

I worked ( across the desk from you) in a major industrial consumer. We were on 30 minute notice to cut our usage if « grid » demand went too high or generation went low. So in effect could this not be the domestic equivalent ? Instead of one call to my company you now send out one digital message to a million EV chargers.

[@xlerb_again_to_music7908]

@@jonwetherell5214 Absolutely yes. But adding a control mechanism brings dependency and a route to new failure modes. There may come a day when this facility is needed but does not work (AWS has outages e.g. several instances in December 2021). The control paths need to offer excellent resilience. Is that likely for a service operating 1/2 a world away, with a complex comms path, designed? It's not that it cannot be done - rather it needs be done in a way which offers g'tteed service under all conditions (e.g. local power loss, comms outage, flooding, an unexpected war). Then there is the Q of what happens on service restoration when controlling major load. 1 million EVs are a 7 GW load... better get control algorithms right!

[@dank9561]

Also remember that as the number of EV's on the roads increases, the battery range is also increasing as the technology develops. How many combustion engine vehicles are currently being refuelled in petrol stations at any given time in the UK - probably less than 0.1%. Same story with EV's - as the battery tech improves the % of EV's needing to be recharged at any given time will reduce.

[@xlerb_again_to_music7908]

@@dank9561 Hi; yet EVs charging at home (cheapest) are limited to 7 kW. Thus the rate of charging stays the same. So as the EV population rises so the number of EVs on charge rise. This is a supply kW limited phenomena independent of battery tech. Could put an idealised supercapacitor in and get the same results...

[@damiendye6623]

you know DNo's will be adding battery storage to substations to remove these spikes, and your home should have solar and a battery also so you have more control of your own life.

[@stum8374]

Andy off-peak charging is not going to work for me,I do nightshift so charge the at home from 8am to 5pm.if we can turn it off then why spend money on that part of the tech.

[@edwardcarney7569]

any thoughts on the off peak KW rate and what it'll become? I'm thinking of a solar battery system, but I'm more concerned with the old off peak becoming the new peak and subsequently increasing the old off peak to the current peak prices?????

[@barriewilliams4526]

Anyone who does not think that your EV charging system will not be turned off remotely in an emergency is just kidding themselves. This sort of thing has already happened in America, where in the very hot weather people were unable to to adjust their (smart) thermostats for their air conditioning, the reason being cited by the company involved was that it was an "emergency"......

[@damiendye6623]

your homes could be turned off now in an emergency so what your point ?

[@jamesmontgomery4492]

When there millions of EV's being charged during off peak won't that mean there won't be a period when the grid is off peak and there also won't be a cheap rate.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Off peak isn’t a 30 minute window.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@waynemoore8615 the only way to have No off peak is if usage is the same over the entire day, every day. That’s not going to happen! And EVs will not account for the bulk of energy use, daytime and industry will.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@waynemoore8615 Why do people think that all cars will be charging at the same time? Do all 20million cars get fuel on the same day? Most aren’t even active or used regularly. Off peak isn’t going anywhere. What you’re doing is looking at new and emerging tech and products today and assuming it will be like this 20 years from now+. That’s like looking at the original iPhone and proclaiming that all smartphones are crap and too expensive, what will people who can’t afford them do? I’m from one of the poorest areas of the UK, I know what it’s like. Unfortunately sensationalist talk like that just makes things worse. Especially when it’s completely unfounded.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@waynemoore8615 You can still buy a PHEV in 13 years time, and that’s NEW cars only, they’re not banning the petrol engine from the road. A PHEV not plugged in is just a petrol car so if you don’t want to, you don’t have to get electric until at least 2035 and that’s ONLY NEW CARS. Considering average car life expectancy is 13 years, we’re looking at 2045ish before true mass EV adoption happens. That’s 23 years away. Forgive me if I don’t believe you when your basic premise is factually wrong. You’re also assuming todays range for EVs is the peak of what it will be. That in 20 years you’ll still get 150mile range cars! It’s not rocket science.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@waynemoore8615 😄 You’ve deleted your last comment!

[@mjmherts]

Great video and funny 😄 as well !

[@tigerv88]

Wouldn’t worry about the encryption of charger data, be more worried about the whiteboard of truth getting secretly hacked without you knowing

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I’ve got 2FA on it.

[@jonathanfabian7297]

I thought it had Sweet FA on it...😏

[@JohnR31415]

Nothing specifies encryption at rest I presume… oh well, I have a relay which closes a contactor, and am about to add another relay to flick the charger between 16 and 32 A modes.

[@moony2703]

Sounds like when one of the Australian states made smart connected solar panels mandatory so they could switch them off if the grid was in danger of overloading and everyone was freaking out because ‘they’re going to turn our free energy off and mess up the payback period!!!!’ They’ve actually only needed to turn it on for like an hour at a time on very rare occasions and ideally in the future they’ll change it so it only stops solar _exporting_ onto the grid and instead fill up people’s home batteries and heat their water tanks… once more people have home batteries in the first place will probably help as well, which people have certainly started buying more of lately to insulate themselves against price rises and fluctuations. The whole emergency switch has worked so well that a second state is now implementing it and the whole thing will hopefully make the states less nervous about allowing people to stick far bigger solar systems on their roofs. Which granted when you think about Australia essentially having a virtual power plant made up of home solar systems with nobody manning the controls aside from the sun coming up each day… well yeah, emergency switches and wanting to have a better idea of what said unmanned power station is doing starts to make a little more sense. XD Solar Quotes even has a video a bit like yours about it reassuring people so they don’t freak out. ‘Emergency Solar Management in WA: An Explainer’ (WA means Western Australia). Maybe smart ev chargers will be implemented here soon. Would certainly be good to get out ahead of the new mass technology roll out this time.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

So they did turn then off... Sounds like that wasn't irrational for people to worry about it. It'll only get worse in the future when more solar is online.

[@Grant.G.Simpson]

humerous and informative. nice

[@bobmuir5811]

Weren't you tempted to just touch on vehicle to grid to flatten out that evening spike? Great video, now how do I become a member? suddenly I'm interested in that.

[@markyates5744]

Why did I know you'd do a knob gag after i saw the first steep bell curve!

[@RBcymru]

Good video and informative as usual. Hope to add solar array and ev charger so my car trickle charges when sat on driveway. I work from home a lot so cheap miles appeal to me. Not sureon battery size for storage but either 3.6kwh or 6 kwh. Might consider 3.6kwh that can be added to?

[@Telcontarnz]

In NZ we mostly have electric hot water cylinders. They’ve always had a link back to power supplier to turn off at peak demand if necessary. Get the very occasional cold shower but otherwise no issues.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

NZ has to much Gov control over your lives, every thing seems to be regulated.

[@Telcontarnz]

@@Robert-cu9bm the hot water adjuster has been in place for a long time. But thanks for your political commentary.

[@6dotdotdot]

This is a good public information film. Another String to your bow perhaps.

[@FalkinerTim]

Take care they do not find out about your fish tank.

[@markgilder9990]

There are 39 million registered vehicles in the Uk. We are running out of time, the infrastructure for charging just isn’t there. I’m retiring in 2026 and have worked out it will be cheaper for me to use taxi than own a vehicle for the short journeys and use public transport for the longer ones. The golden era of car ownership is coming to an end. I have seen companies startup that offer door to door services cheaper than I can run a vehicle. DigiGo being one locally to me.

[@xxwookey]

Or a bike for the short ones? Even cheaper and guaranteed to turn up on time. But you are right that owning a vehicle will not be the cheapest option. I've not found anything that can beat owning a 10-25 year old vehicle and doing your own mechanics yet (even for quite low usage), but for most people with newer vehicles and paying for maintenance the various sharing schemes make a lot of sense unless you are a very heavy user.

[@salerio61]

What is wrong with that?

[@keithbrown339]

Ev man for PM .Not that we have a choice. Great job

[@terrybranaghan8251]

Good content but important clarification- during low demand during daytime then "renewables" solar in particular will be on grid but if demand increases then the less efficient gas and coal stations will be in use. Problem being of course, the energy cap is set by the last station to be brought on line and this will gas and is the most expensive per kilowatt-hour and artificially inflates the price cap. Any conspiracy involving fixing the best price by the Power Companies is a fact.

[@iblack585]

All very well having the chargers in place, you also need the suppliers to run the system and reward consumers for using it. I’d love to switch to Octopus for their EV plan but they won’t even talk to me at the moment (though also know someone who needs to register as a customer and they can’t even do that).

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Of course you can. Just ring them. I know half a dozen that have done it this month.

[@iblack585]

@@ElectricVehicleMan I will try again then, but already sat in that queue for quite a while!

[@SDK2006b]

Just phone them - loads of people have joined them this week on the EV FB groups and other forums I use. Do it quickly and you might just get the 40p peak rate fixed for a year.

[@GeoffKirby]

Great video dude, Very informative. Cant wait to get an EV but still no solution for for people who live in a houses with no driveway or garage?

[@matthewspry4217]

How to become a member??

[@jimmygee7717]

The graph….you ballsed it up 😀

[@tarbat]

What’s to stop you blocking the data connection? What happens when the charger can’t connect? Does the charger stop working if it can’t get a data connection?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Nothing, nothing and no.

[@pedropenduco3180]

I love EVW, she cracks me up! Good explanation though. The fact that anybody would think that the government could control anything is pretty laughable! :)

[@m3photo726]

If we take the graphic explanation as more or less the actual grid demand, that means that the whole nation’s industries use less than fifty million households at teatime …

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Or listen to the part when I said (don't pay too much attention to the graphs accuracy, it's here to prove a point)

[@ndudman8]

Just signed up for members only, didn't find the shower scene :( :) So sensible after listening to you calmly explain, now I really believe that they landed on the moon :)

[@soulsinger1969]

Love your videos, your easy going nature and humour make them both very informative and entertaining to watch. If there was one thing i would say is that i think you are due a camera upgrade ,.. i've noticed the video quality seems to differ on some videos, not sure if it was a settings over-sight,... for example in this video the default is at 1080p but if i switch down to 720p i didnt see much difference. Anyway, as i say, just an observation ... keep up the great work. ** Update ** Actually, scrap that,.. just realised that your video cut ins of your family were fine,.. i am guessing it was a setting or lighting issue when you were in the garage or at the white board of truth :)

[@RIVNUTBrainCaseSugaryGoodness]

I do see potential problems for using legislation to restrict what is essentially a service. Better to use incentives then force. Could a situation come about where the internet was down or unavailable and that prevented the charger from operating? Also when laws are in place it is possible people could be fined for not having their car charger connected, so there is a potential negative outcome for the user. It would make much more sense to me for the suppliers just to offer better tariffs for people who are connected. Less red tape rather than more

[@electroplank587]

An internet outage wouldn't cause very little disruption unless you're disconnected for a long time, the charger will likely save trends to better judge when it should activate charging and automatically use an offset, the grid isn't specifically instructing chargers to turn on when they say they are merely advised on when they should turn on. Fines.. no the price will dictate when the user charges. if you're happy to override when the tarrif is high or peak usages you'll pay a so called tax because the unit cost will just be higher. This isn't about red tape, it's making sure the aging Electricity grid infrastructure can cope with potential demand, lack of intervention could cause brownouts or black out or straight up fires if a distribution line serving a row of houses is overloaded because 50 vehicles all start immediately start charging at 7kw instantly, them underground cables will just get Hot.

[@gregorygreg4263]

Okay maybe but I see a way to add fuel duty if they measure how much electricity you put in your car collected by the smart charger. Oh let's say 20 percent vat on this electricity. The problem gets bigger when you factor people switching to electric forms of heating such as heat source. Because you want that heating when you get home. I still have a leaf I often get home with a low state of charge it's my only transport I may then need to put in some charge at peak times so I can go out later but the government won't let me charge until it's off peak that's going to be fantastic. Beware big brother he is coming...

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Did you miss half of the video? That’s not what I said at all.

[@gregorygreg4263]

No I have started watching the rest just had to start the ball rolling with my thoughts as I have been thinking about this. If you take people's batteries and the size they really need to no your average usage to say well on the cheap rate this car will need to start charging at X time to get charge in for his usual daily usage. I know there are a lot of good intentions here from the government but I always look at. What else could they use your charge data for and the obvious one is fuel duty. Let's face it they are not going to let car drivers get away with 5 percent vat on the electricity forever are they .

[@gregorygreg4263]

The world is dominated by power hungry rich people who are governed by short sighted political parties who's main aim is to be re- elected. The person who bought a two thousand pound runner which they used to get to work or as a carer and are now told find extra money or use even more expensive public transport because we think you are to poor to own a car and did you not listen we are going net zero in X year and you are the problem. Never mind range rover driver. He is very green.

[@callumcurtis15]

How do I become a member? 😉😉

[@neilm9400]

That made me chuckle 👍 Seems very reasonable strategy. To be fair everything that was obvious. My concern is security on the chargers. But if you have staggered charging from the power company, that would negate a hacked in brown out.... Does that make sense?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Part of legislation is that data between chargers is encrypted.

[@neilm9400]

@@ElectricVehicleMan encryption isn't the problem, that's just data in transit. You go after the the provider of the battery and then work down to the households. Anyways, not a problem if the power companies have random delays in start up. Stops the overload, if someone tried to set a all peoples start up time to the same time. My house CEO has given approval to look at a battery.

[@djtaylorutube]

I have an early dumb charger and no smart meter. There's a reason for that.

[@melvynburchell]

Well I guess we have no choice but to shell out for a more expensive charger now. But that aside another concern not mentioned could be an eventual EV equivalent to fuel duty as the authorities will have an accurate record of usage. As you say it is possible to set many EV’s to charge during certain time slots but having your energy supplier decide is a little too big brother for me - especially if I just need a quick burst to go out to dinner upon my return from work. I am sure those settings whilst currently override able is probably not very straightforward to do and of course we may not have that ability to manually change times of charge forever.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

It’s for new chargers, you don’t have to change anything.

[@G0ogs]

I would imagine your on intelligent octopus plan, by the way they are not chargers they are a power supply suited/dedicated for car chargers which is in the vehicle.I also have the ohme charge point and find it works very well with the intelligent octopus plan.

[@pauldenney7908]

Anyone working for an electrical supply company who has access to smart meter data has to take and pass a DBS check. Why because they can tell from looking at usage patterns if somebody is in or out or on holiday. Its then a simple matter of passing the information to a burglar who can go around and break into your house knowing that you are away. That really is as dodgy as it gets, there is no conspiracy beyond that.

[@ashb8572]

Just sold my EV for a Dacia powered by LPG. Come January the pence per mile for electric can only make sense if running off solar and battery storage which I don't have

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Or OctopusEnergy Go tariff.

[@edc1569]

Where they out of coal-fired cars?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Coal accounts for less than 2% of UK grid production. 🤦‍♂️

[@mikehipperson]

@@ElectricVehicleMan At the moment. The government are in the process of recommissioning at least 2 coal fired power stations at the moment as they have realised, to late as usual, that the country has no back up system to fall back on! As for the power suppliers switching off the system or charging excess fees for the privilege of a secure supply remember that today's 'conspiracy theory' becomes fact in about 6 month's time!

[@gug1970]

@@ElectricVehicleMan which is now why we're in the shit.

[@Coaster_Contrarian]

Where on earth are you getting 7.5p per kwh? I can't even switch back to Eco7 because my supplier isn't offering any new tariffs.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

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[@paulgoffin8054]

Commando sockets are technically not compliant if installed in domestic environments - they are not shuttered like 13A sockets.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

The best sockets in the world

[@stephenbrough8132]

Your voice and accent keep putting me in mind of Paul Daniels.

[@Magic_Toaster]

how do i become a member? suddenly very interested

[@Chris-uk.]

yes you cart drive after 8pm, i can iagine all them fines racking up down the line, bad points means = no leaving the country streight out the movie utopia

[@garden-Railway]

Interesting video , you now need wifi if you want a wall box?

[@williamarmstrong7199]

Mrs EV obviously has her own chanel. Can I join it please ;) lol Sorry someone had to get smutty.. yes it had to be me. Lol keep smiling :)

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

Thanks loved the acting

[@johnwinters4201]

"The Daily Mail is correct"‽ Not words you hear very often.

[@alantyrell41]

Is user data anonymised?

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Doubt it, the Gov is involved.

[@davefish8107]

My thought is as more people are going to get electric cars , home battery storage and heat pumps to heat their homes.Will we lose off peak electricity prices,because it seems to me as more people use off peak electricity it will stop being off peak

[@SDK2006b]

As mentioned in the video - there will always be a period of lower use and steering people to use it will be done through lower pricing. Much better doing it this way than commission more power stations. Of course, only houses with smart meters will be able to benefit and those that don’t have them will just get average day pricing like current.

[@jamesgrover2005]

I'm thinking about becoming a member😉

[@terryrigden4860]

Love the sense of humour

[@cloggsy1971]

Clear as mud… Only joking… Clear as cloudy water 😉🤣😂

[@Chris-uk.]

there will be cameras in the house soon with fine machines on the wall, push bike with camping equipment on is the way out now

[@stephengolds9679]

With off peak prices?

[@SDK2006b]

Well said 👍🏻

[@deansh8506]

I laughed my head off at the smart meter piss take 🤣🤣🤣

[@Pabz2030]

You might be interested to know that here in Spain smart meters are compulsory and if you go over your allotted power allowance your meter and hence your power gets turned off for a period.

[@deansh8506]

@@Pabz2030 I think smart meters are great. I can see a time in the future that we will be all on time of use tariffs as standard, encouraging the general public to shift their usage from peak times and to try and balance the grid. Using power when renewable energy is high in production etc. That seems a bit unfair getting penalised for going over your allocated amount, how does that work if you have an EV or even two EV's to run. Then I suppose in Spain you have so much solar I expect many homes in Spain have solar on their homes, reducing demand?

[@beefsuprem0241]

@@Pabz2030 "Allotted allowance" Who decides that then? Do they turn your taps off if you drink too much as well🤦

[@gug1970]

@@Pabz2030 I just smile when people who dont really understand what they've got in mind for us laugh at conspiracy theories. We went from 2 weeks to flatten the curve to Mandatory Medical procedures and freezing bank accounts (in canada) in 2 years ... but no, everything else is a conspiracy theory. lol.

[@gug1970]

@@beefsuprem0241 oh, you've not heard of hosepipe bans then ?

[@kinross24]

Have you seen the news from Tesla power, that their Ai has now developed software that simulates ‘inertia’ thus no need for big nuclear or big gas units running in the background and can meet demand as required. Game changer!

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Hmm. Is that like FSD cars coming next year though!

[@jsouto77]

It makes me laugh that allot of people with tin hats on about smart meters etc. are ever so keen to expose themselves more tha they should on social media or to the internet as a whole. Thanks for the videos :)

[@Robert-cu9bm]

I know who will get the last laugh.