Evaluating EVERY Class in League of Legends

[@VarsVerum]

Here's the poll!: strawpoll.com/6gs9wqqaw

[@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz]

5:46 Teemo, Azir and Corki: Are we a joke to you?

[@Scudmaster11]

You forgot control mages "slow , low damage , low armor and mr , and only utility keeping them alive (orianna is one)

[@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz]

@@Scudmaster11 Orianna is a burst mage

[@Scudmaster11]

@@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz control mages are not supports... they stay alive by zoning or utility for they don't have protection of their own... ms , armor , mr

[@Scudmaster11]

Control mages are mid lane instead

[@dgmetalhead]

I like how you said "single target burst damage" while the footage is Qiyana one shotting 4 people

[@elesenal_Idv-Discussions]

XD

[@DrWho1596]

Ah she’s in a role all her own. AoE assassin

[@Raimond922]

Just bursting four single targets, nothing wrong here.

[@StarLore15]

@@DrWho1596 and Katarina

[@FindusHastlasagne]

She Absolutely sucks ass against tanks and when she is behind. She is the only assasin who is good in high elo/pro play for a reason. She works very differently

[@dravendraven1471]

It's definitely the Draven role. There's just no need to dispute about it. Draven is the best role in the league of Draven.

[@indrickboreale7381]

Olaf is close, because he also throws axes Edit: Mundo kinda too

[@FishingFemboys]

Drabney enjoyer

[@kesar189]

Draven Draven

[@halcyonflo0r952]

Umm River Shen would like to have a word with you

[@makhond2498]

Something...is off

[@kamilstenzel3929]

This list would be much different if the classes worked as they're supposed to. I'm cool with Akali oneshoting me. I'm not cool with Akali oneshotting me while tanking half of my team. I'm cool with Malph taking 0 dmg. I'm not cool with Malph taking 0 dmg while oneshotting half of my team with his combo.

[@Masterpouya]

Exactly that ! When you see a graves with an hullbreaker that is litteraly able to delete you in ONE AA but is also able to not die for a 30s fight, I don’t know what to say :(

[@santumi2298]

Yeah. I'm okay with being oneshot, by a squishy-ass assassin. I'm okay with losing duels, to a fucking duelist. I'm not okay with getting one shot by a goddamn Nautilus or Akali.

[@joeysung311]

Imo malphite doesn’t actually feel like that. Akali yes though

[@kaischreurs2488]

to add on that: I'm fine with zed/eve oneshotting the adc with 0 or even just 1 defensive item, I'm not fine with zed/eve oneshotting the full tank sion/cho.

[@Masterpouya]

@@kaischreurs2488 If Zed or Eve can one shot a full tank Sion / Chogath, she must be preeeeeetty fed and with a 25 stacks mejai. At this point, it’s not about the champion but more about early mistakes that led to that point ...

[@falight5704]

3:39 "abysmal mobility" Shows darius running at 300km/h towards the jinx

[@Masterpouya]

Exactly that ! xD They "used" to be slow, but this is not true anymore, now they have tooooooooooons of speed / dash or no matter what that makes them nearly unkittable.

[@kaischreurs2488]

I mean that requires a summoner and is easier to stop than dashes and stuff since you can slow them.

[@gabrielantunez7642]

That requires ghost Oña huge cooldown

[@cherno8336]

@@gabrielantunez7642 dead man plates

[@natesaintjacques1074]

Jinx's passive movespeed is a lot better than ghost and she probably could have gotten away if she didn't use any attack animations. Darius needed two summoners to get on top of her anyway while Jinx ordinarily doesn't need to invest summoner spells to remain on top of someone.

[@DJ_RH]

Specialists are really satisfactory to play once you get their playstyle and throw their full potential.

[@joaquinduverne6259]

I swear I've been playing Fiddlesticks for the past 6 years and this shit never gets old

[@elementmanexe8389]

Kennen enjoyer over here

[@TheSuperUnnamedGamer]

I think I'm one of the very few tank cho'gath mains in my server lol

[@thelostsoul9446]

Azir, teemo... There are many champs like that, that are really despised among the community, but in the end they're so damn fun to play.

[@K98MauserBYF43]

@@thelostsoul9446 me playing gp and reading the enemy jhins chat saying he was oneshot full hp with a ghost barrel

[@brycecai4700]

12:15 vars: slayers feature champions with single target burst Also vars: Showing a clip of Qiyana bursting down the entire enemy team

[@FindusHastlasagne]

She sucks ass against tanks though. Probably the worst champ in the entire game. If you are 20-0 as qiyana youll loose against a 5-10 urgot 100%, even with ult. She also sucks when she is behind but excells when she is ahead. She plays differently, thats why she is the only good assasin in high elo/pro play but sucks in low elo

[@ldalexandrite]

@@FindusHastlasagne an assassin shouldn’t be able to compete with tanks in the first place. And I main Qiyana. She is not even close to being the “worst.”

[@Eldex0]

@@ldalexandrite Yeah, its literally the role meant to counter assassins :(

[@ldalexandrite]

​@@Eldex0 And the thing is, Qiyana is one of the best assassins against tanks, because of her root and her ult has percent HP damage in it on top of stunning the enemy.

[@FindusHastlasagne]

@@ldalexandrite i also Malin qiyana and she is probably the worst against tanks. Maybe leblanc could be worse. But look at kassadin and rengar for example. Bad against tanks but not as bad

[@ethanlu361]

3:01 Fighters 4:54 Mages 7:04 Marksmen 8:49 Tanks 10:28 Controllers (supports) 12:06 slayers 13:34 specialists This is mainly for if i feel like coming back to this video but enjoy!

[@PenguinFire195]

I think that under the Tank category: Vanguards are significantly more fun than Wardens because of how proactive their gameplay is. Nothing feels better than diving in on Zac and starting up the bounce house.

[@TheeGoodSir]

i highly disagree you obviously havnt had a 5 man shen taunt or saved your adc with a massive shield only to come in put up anti auto zone and force the enemy to attack you flipping the tables of a lost fight in seconds

[@PenguinFire195]

@@TheeGoodSir I mean, I have though. And I’ve been the Shen in that situation too. Idk I’ve just found more satisfaction with Vantuards

[@SahilP2648]

@@TheeGoodSir don't know what universe you are living in where a 5 man Shen taunt is possible but ok. I am sure that universe has unicorns instead of horses and also rainbow volcanoes.

[@ninjakirby777]

God consistently fucking someones engage on like your squishy carry is so funny thou

[@AkiSoraEnjoyer]

@@SahilP2648 taunt flash lol. it's literally a near essential tool for a Shen main.

[@mr.joesterr5359]

Enchanters and it isnt even close. (In terms of strength not design) Remember how janna top had like a 70% wr for those who knew how to pilot her? Remember how soraka, sona, lulu, karma, etc… All became super op in mid and top while also being played support and had to get hotfixed nerfed? No other class comes close to the level of balance nerfs and meta warping compared to enchanters.

[@indrickboreale7381]

What about 5x tanks in Atma meta?

[@chivi-]

The ardent censor meta was when I really got into enchanters and honestly I wish there wasn’t such a bias against them (people calling us no skill players and e-girls) because they’re really fun and feel pretty powerful.

[@gandalfpotter2149]

Also the addition of renata has definitely helped enchanters

[@aaronparry2636]

Yeah, I feel the issue with enchanters is just how hard they are to balance. If you make them require gold to do well, then they suck as supports. If you don't, then they are perfect for all the super cheese strats (enchanter top, funnel jungle, river enchanter, etc.) that just exploit whichever role is the most useless at the time to overload the other roles.

[@benpoke]

@@indrickboreale7381 Tanks are dogshit now

[@max-potato-muncher]

I feel like in a vacuum, marksmen used to be the best designed. Problem is they are based on an old PvE RPG system that says "high dmg = squishy," which is fine and dandy if you got a tanky tank taking aggro from an AI, but this is PvP.

[@zouzhul9607]

Sounds alot like "glass cannon" if that makes sense for you.

[@Vario69]

Well, a good tank and/or enchanter should be able to peel for them with cc / buffs, kinda like they do in PvE... Just sucks when sometimes that's impossible n u have no way of protecting your adc when the enemy is just fed

[@olsenfernandes3634]

​@@Vario69 Idk about you but if I'm the one who's fed and am still being stopped in my tracks and unable to kill the enemy ADC because of a fucking support then I'd be very very very mad. I mean, that's the exact reason people hate Lulu. The little shit has point and click CC, slow and a buff soo big that it turns anyone it's used on into a tank. The only way I would find it fair would be if the entire enemy team focused me so that the rest of my team could bulldose through and wipe the enemy team out with our gold advantage.

[@prismriot4910]

I disagree with that being the issue. “High damage = Squishy” works fine, on the caveat that the high damage they get is fairly exclusive to them (they can’t be the only archetype who do damage, but they are one of the ONLY ones who should be able to do that much. This balances out. So that while other non high damage classes can’t output as much in raw numbers, they can take more by their own means, and your low health means they can still fight you reliably if they reach you. It’s what evens it out. The issue is that basically every archetype in the game now does insane damage. In old league if a melee champ caught you, yeah you might lose, but you could still fight. That doesn’t exist anymore. If they catch you, you basically die instantly. The only way to succeed as an ADC now is to just not get damaged in any capacity whatsoever. That’s insanely unhealthy in a PVP game, and is also insanely unrealistic. The games combat and game pace needs to slow WAY the fuck down for ADCs to be decent.

[@catoblepas8697]

tier list OP classes 1-Slayers 2- Fighters that play like an slayer 3- other classes

[@AdamAdam-dm9lc]

I'd like to add that Slayers also sit at a huge D when it comes to playing with them. You either give them all the kills and they carry, or you agree to playing a 4v5.

[@ultimatesonic47]

true, those players have low mental and really high ego (maybe thats why they play the most broken class)

[@Vario69]

No wonder their ego is so high, they make the flashiest plays n claim to be hardest class to master due to said plays

[@olsenfernandes3634]

​@@Vario69 Yeah man, non-slayer players would definitely be able to replicate the Faker Vs Ryu Zed moment and say "it's not a big deal"

[@crunchyandmagnificent5646]

@@Vario69 Bruh, as an assassin you're literally a melee glass cannonball. While it is sometimes possible to just slam your forehead onto the keyboard and triplekill, more often than not it's just going to kill you

[@Sc9cvsd]

Thats the biggest problem I face as a zed jungle main. Most games I get giga fed but its basically 1v5 because my team doesnt get the kills or I give them kills and they then throw the lead and without kills I'm useless

[@Discotechque]

Ornn class can be anything you want to be. Mage? Sure. Tank? Sure. Assassin? Sure. Fighter? Sure. Ranger? Sure. Monk? Absolutely. Priest? Definitely. Thief? Yes. Sage? No problem. Bard? Isn't that another champion? Ornn is very flexible!

[@rolandfabik2475]

Are you the guy who made the salty post on the meme subreddit about this exact same thing and got defensive when you got corrected?

[@Discotechque]

@@rolandfabik2475 sorry man I don't use reddit.

[@poom323]

Ornn is the true tank, thick armor with cannon.

[@whatislife43]

hotel? trivago

[@felipdn3329]

More like volibear. Can build AD, tank, AP, become a meatshield, draintank, diver, bursty, bruiser, hell

[@michaelm6597]

Oh come on yall it is 100% the yuumi role what beats being able to binge watch your favorite shows and movies while laughing at your malding adc.

[@najib2040]

10:18 "The only ones who may enjoy going against tanks are tank busters" Also the tank busters having literally two tanks among them xD

[@sebastianlaplume461]

The only tanks I despise are poppy and kench because they’re assassins with catcher cc and high mobility with the thicc-ness of true tanks. Those two are bs to play against, the rest are free lanes.

[@luckas221a]

@@sebastianlaplume461 a good ornn is also always a problem. lots of area control, huge knockups, CC immunity, lots of damage and good scaling, that goddamn brittle passive...

[@sebastianlaplume461]

@@luckas221a ornn gets face rolled just as badly as kassadin or kayle though…. His whole gimmick to surviving till level 13…

[@sorenford2660]

@@sebastianlaplume461 hard agree. Tanks are by far the easiest class to play into in lane, except for kench. I would rather play into literally anything else.

[@Crown53]

@@sebastianlaplume461 Me maining topkench pre-rework: wow I love this niche character that is balanced. Me playing topkench after rework: This is horrible, its no fun to play or play against. REVERT PLS RITO

[@Liger-Inuzuka]

Totally hit this one on the head. Recently champions begin to feel as of they are designed to be multiple classes at once or entirely subvert the strength and weaknesses of their supposed class. Like Qiyana can be a diver, fighter, engage, burst, dps, zoner all at once. Yuumi is an untargetable healer that breaks the basic rule of gaming where you "target the healer." Gwen was also a tank buster, burst, dps, diver, yadda yadda so on and so forth. If a champion can kind of do everything, then when do they ever have a moment of vulnerability?

[@quaffie]

the best class is the friends you made along the way

[@Razertas]

Forgot to include how Marksmen go into other roles sometimes and ***everyone*** hates playing against them

[@sunnydargonnel]

Yeah but then Yasuo goes botlane and no one bats an eye. Imma keep playing solo lane marksmen because that's when I actually can do things lol

[@sunnydargonnel]

@The Meaning is Always Vague I mean, I'm all in to go against something like Yone because as I said, I play marksmen midlane, but fucking Yasuo and his windwall make me go berserk. And the worse is they almost always think themselves good. Overall I'd take Yone over Yasuo any day, be it against or as a teammate. Y'know why? Yone is always useful, even if he's 0/9 all he has to do is hit the knockups and let the real carry do the job. Yasuo has as much utility as a wall. Something that's not melee but I hate equally: Samira 360° windwall. Fucking bullshit.

[@belphegren2062]

@@sunnydargonnel Never thought I’d see the day where someone prefers to deal with Yone rather than Yas. - Yone main

[@sunnydargonnel]

@@belphegren2062 maybe because I play Yone and know how to time his abilities and abuse him then, even tho his autos are powerful. But hey at least Yone doesn't totally disregard the option of poking like Yasuo does.

[@Razertas]

@@sunnydargonnel Yeah, but i think that's to a huge part because Yasuo's not out there making the matchup basically unplayable in the way that facing Tristana/Draven/Lucian/Vayne feels as say, Sett.

[@Hanta1]

I'd kill for a hashinshin rant of this video xd

[@VarsVerum]

He would just say every class except Aatrox is OP.

[@Hanta1]

@@VarsVerum NyEeH MagES ArE OwPEeH nyEeH fr. though his rants are hilarious and most of the time he's right

[@markopusic8258]

It's not really relevant for Hash though since he complains about the balance of the game more than its core concepts. I'm pretty sure that he could actually agree with the ranking of the classes themselves but he would then proceed to add an entire paragraph explaining why this class/champion is complete bullshit at the moment because of other variables like the innate kit or current itemization.

[@ioiwut4874]

as a former ADC main, i really appreciate your satirical rant lol i miss being an ADC but i just have NOT been able to justify playing such a trash role since like s6 or 7.

[@user-hv1tr9ok1i]

it only got bad in s8 tho

[@NUKCYNDv]

? ADC is pretty good now

[@user-hv1tr9ok1i]

@@NUKCYNDv i wouldnt say adc is good rn. They are barely playable, but playable nonetheless. The issue with adc this season is the dmg creep. ADCs are supposed to be the high risk high reward with consistent, high dps role. But this season, everybody deals fucktons of damage, even tanks and supps (usually only early to mid tho), while they all still provide something else: cc, frontlining, insane range/poke, high burst etc, while most adcs only have damage, which is already ample in this current meta. Aside from champs like jhin, they don’t have any real cc or utility, they can’t tank a single hit from anyone, they take too long to scale because of crit rework, which really hurts the role because of the shorter matches nowadays.

[@KopanaAE]

I stopped playing adcs at bot just go mage/divers can't bother getting oneshot anymore it's just too tiring and not fun.

[@ioiwut4874]

@@KopanaAE thats basically what i do. i still don't fk with bot lane- unless for whatever reason im in a masochistic mood. but if i get filled i play shit like sion or lux.

[@jasemali1987]

I hope one day you will do a comprehensive report on the effect of ping on the performance of players. Like what latency challenger players have ? What Silver players have on average? What rank a player have in relation to the distance from the server he plays on? Things like that requires polls to be made to get a good statistical results.

[@williamsandberg-huseby8577]

Wtf not a single person would care bro💀

[@florianf2718]

Nah bro

[@fitmotheyap]

Pff ping? Huge diff The difference between 150 and 50 is just too big... Not to mention that ping makes champs with spam abilities annoying because you will always have an extra delay

[@mranderson2048]

@@fitmotheyap Ye. Ping is also important when playing micro-focused champs like Lee Sin, Irelia etc.

[@18ncarbonara]

There seems to be a bit of motivation here... hmmmm I don't think ur ping is the main reason ur at ur rank

[@JoniWan77]

I find the play against ratings of mages and tanks odd. I personally prefer playing against Mages or Tanks more than playing against Fighters. I think Mages and Tanks are only really scary or feel unfair, because they slow the game down by their controlling abilities, which I don't think is as objectively bad as Slayers 1v9ing and can also be a good thing, because they tend to give games more structure by being more defensive in nature through CC and ranged waveclear.

[@ultimatesonic47]

the ratings are based on enjoyment not in effectivity, mages for example why would someone enjoy fighting someone you cant really fight? unless you are a mage too or a slayer, on the other hand i do enjoy fighting some tanks for the most part except when there are 3 and the carry keeps getting picked up

[@bigcoolboy96]

Vars mains top so he's showing some bias

[@atsukana1704]

@@ultimatesonic47idk I actually like fighting mages the most because when it comes to them they 9/10 have an important skillshot you can dodge or do something about. It comes down to a genuine skill matchup. Sincerely an adc main who likes fighting against luxes to stomp on their faces when they fail a combo

[@ultimatesonic47]

@@atsukana1704 those are bad mages or short to medium range mages against long range even dodging the cc skill might not be enough to actually fight them (unless you have some high mobility or equally long range wich is what i meant before) besides if you can fight them the fight most likely is already over since most of them wont survive long enough to try another rotation

[@anubis9151]

2:20 The issue is that in current league tanks beat marksman, unless the latter is full build and gets peel, or is fairly good, something that you even menting later with the Rammus example, he's not the only one though.

[@2BsYummySoles]

bruh thank god someone said it. You literally can't do damage if you can't move and by the time you do move you are already dead. Like why can Ornn deadass one shot while you are completely unable to fight back meanwhile he takes someone to do true dmg to in order to reliably fight back or 1v1. Also juggernauts

[@Illandarr]

Should we consider Lethality Sion as a tank ?

[@anubis9151]

@@Illandarr I do, it's just a matter of building to one shot even harder, after all, one of the reasons it works is because he doesn't exactly get one shot, a lot squishier, yes, get one shot? Not happening, literally never saw it happen. Not even close.

[@ultimatesonic47]

yeah... you are supposed to avoid their lock down thats why you are ranged, but another thing is adc counter tanks in team comp, on the other hand assasins counter adc individually in team comp they just cant thats why they are not popular in high elo

[@2BsYummySoles]

@@ultimatesonic47 It has nothing to do with avoiding their lockdown, it has everything to do with time to kill. An adc can shred a tank, if they have the time to do so. But why does that even matter whenever someone gets engaged on and over half of your team is dead by the time you get three autos. A teamfight is pratically deicided by the time the first ability is hit because in most cases that positions them in a way to cc your entire team. Why do you think a 6 man Ori ult is so huge, even without the dmg it puts everyone in a vulnerable position. And even if the adc doesn't get hit, they can't do anything in reponse to it in equal measure. Also most tanks have aoe cc, that pretty much fits the entire jungle. So the range you have to operate is effectively away from your team or just barely in range to fight. So even if you don't get hit, someone else getting hit gets you hit and also getting by anything at all gets you killed.

[@wiktoriakudla3850]

Your description of an ADC main's life is probably the most accurate one I've ever heard

[@sebastiancarias4647]

I couldn't help but laugh when you referred to the specialists' tactics as "degenerate" Nice video!!

[@patricklynch4074]

as a tank main, when you were describing why theyre not fun to play against i was thinking "hehe, yeah. i do all those things"

[@alexanderdejesus4986]

Much appreciated the representation of the ad carry experience here.

[@alphenhousplaysgames4565]

fighters: catches you with raw power instead of surprise

[@walkelftexasranger]

New Slayers are dumbest addition to the game. Like seriously - Who thought that Gwen, Viego, Yone and Qiyana is good idea ? They have little counterplay ,with tons of tools to kill you.

[@tomwanders6022]

Gwen is kinda overstatted at the moment. If she was a little less powerful, you’ll have to wait out her W and space away for a little bit. Viego has a not to good base kit with pretty low range. As long as you can stop him from getting one kill, he will have huge problems. Yones abilities as dogable as long as you aren’t deciding to fight in a choke point and Qiyana is very short threat range as well and has more mobility like a fighter not an assassin, making it hard for her to reach backline.

[@calronkeltaran493]

nerf shieldbow=profit for real. this item was never intended for meelee classes. it was to protect marksmen from the burst meta. without shieldbow, Yone, Graves and all the other abusers would prob be fine as they will suddenly explode in a full dmg build instead of tanking 3+ pll

[@daniel_.-]

anyone in for removing/decreasing the shield gain from shield bow on melee champions. This gives them atleast the ability to get 1 shot.

[@felipdn3329]

The problem with nerfing Shieldbow for melees is that there's literally no other viable option for them. We'd need a fourth mythic item for that to work properly. Crit melee champs are VERY frail.

[@pyrokatarina]

@@tomwanders6022 i agree with all except for yone. Even if you dodge his ult or q knockup, he will still one shot you with qs, e true damage, auto attacks, and has w shield like what? He also has sustain on his kit

[@cabbagebutterfly800]

"finding hay in a needle stack" dunno if this was intentional or not but i love it

[@kcStranger]

I think you might have done well to emphasize just how subjective this list is--I personally feel oddly uncomfortable on assassins but don't mind marksmen, for instance--but I do feel you've captured the general sentiments of the League community, and accurately articulated the reasons.

[@mattheww4186]

i havent even gotten to the rankings yet but this 3d sideview gameplay is so cool to watch

[@carrier2823]

Its time for the perfectly designed: galio vid. The only AP bruiser that actually works.

[@seunglee3729]

How about zac

[@sebastianlaplume461]

@@seunglee3729 zac is a engage tank, or vanguard. Building damage on him is fairly niche and usually troll.

[@sebastianlaplume461]

Galio only works well as an ap bruiser because he doesn’t rely on there being ap bruiser items, because there aren’t. The fact that riot has the counterparts of Darius and Ashe building from the same items is a comedy show at this point. #make-ap-bruisers-an-actual-class-plz-riot

[@IHunter2k]

As a 200 k galio he feels a bit clunky

[@Masterpouya]

@@sebastianlaplume461 hybrid Zac works pretty well. Lots of HP, lots of sustain with blobs, very disruptive and quite deadly if used right !

[@itsm1ha104]

I mean i might have a bias as a fiddle main but specialists might be the best class cuz they are so random and the more u learn them the more u can exploit their strenghts so high skill ceeling, not too broken

[@Rainstar230]

I'll admit, I usually watch Vars for the intelligent commentary, even if I disagree with half of what usually goes on in the video. But this time, I feel like I'm on board pretty much 100%. Good call on splitting the satisfaction of playing as or against. Characters with independent agency and high carry potential are usually fun to play as, but no one likes fighting against Duskblade Yi.

[@MultiQwasar]

7:42 that was such a hilarious bit xd love it

[@Hymn645]

“I’ve seen adcs souls leave their body when the enemy locks in Rammus” OK

[@brianlamptey4823]

11:50 Point of correction, Yuumi and Morgana. Morgana has enough range, cc , movement speed and omnivamp to win as a bot. Her ult, the only ability that doesn't work from across the screen, is always accompanied by zhonya's hourglass.

[@cursedwyvern3044]

I really appreciate your willingness to learn and grow when developing your videos and their ideas. Along with you determination to carve out your own niche rather than copying others, it helps your channel become very interesting and enjoyable! I disagree with a lot of your opinions, but they’re all opinions, and they’re based on perspective, and that’s how they should be! King 👑

[@chrisschweitzer5558]

"I don't think any of these champions are held in a positive light by the community" I play that one I play that one I play that one I play that one

[@UserLoL9880]

Wait is Lillia actually a slayer? Isn't she a wierd poke mage? Now that I write it about it makes more sanse.. But is.. Wierd..

[@aaronparry2636]

As a Lilia main, I would actually call her a tankbuster/skirmisher. Her e is her only poke ability and it does the least damage of all the options. That said, late game she can practically be a juggernaut with infinite speed if you want cause you only need liandry's and demonic embrace for damage.

[@joseramonm.h.8620]

For me she would be something in between a battle mage and a skirmisher, dunno xd

[@svetlio7946]

i thought she was lowkey a diver

[@lucaiozzo8273]

She really has a weird style. Her q and passive give her good sustained damage while being really movile to dodge attacks and survive so it fits well into the skirmisher cathegory. Despite that, her q's cooldoown isnt low enough to spam it, so you have to weave in and out. And also the rest of her abilities let her do much more, semi burst with r w q, poke with spam e...

[@UserLoL9880]

@@aaronparry2636 Liandy and Demonic Humm.. Sadly I build her with RiftMaker :D

[@Illandarr]

As a weird champ enjoyer (and fellow Aurelion Sol main), I had to try Azir and it was a blast. Did I have any idea of what I was doing ? No. Did I tried to insec ppl with W->E->Q->R ? Yes, and managed to. Azir is so different from your typical mage "I press buttons lots of damage kaboom" and yeah, it didn't felt like I was playing a mage, I was playing Azir, replacing the enemy's towers with mines as I was advancing in my lane. I felt like the Emperor of Shurima, defending my kingdom, my lane against this stupid ass Akshan who didn't understand what "my tower now" meant (He almost killed himself running under what used to be his T1). I may be a bit too roleplay, but Azir just feels good to play, just like when I tried Aurelion Sol. With these champs I'm not playing a class, I'm playing a character. Specialist is the best class for me, BY FAR.

[@ilzuab8467]

What we cannot forget and what is so important to league is that every game feels very different. I recently had a toplane game as Ornn and the enemy picked Darius into my Ornn. On paper, this is a juggernaut tank-buster against a tank, so i should, by class, loose this matchup hard. I ended up going 4-0 in Lane because i got a solo kill early, bought tabis and bamis, and was unkillable for the Darius at that point. The enemy was nearly full ad, and this let me to be able to soak basically the entire enemy team by minute 20 while my competent mid and jungle (who made up for the 0/11 botlane) killed them. It was a great game and it felt like i, as a tank, carried that game. This was because the circumstances matched in a way where my class felt great to play snd the enemy probably smashed their face into the screen asking why they were getting 1000 sunfire damage per fight while i was barely loosing half health. Classes like Slayers often feel unfun to play against, but i would argue that there is no easier enemy to kill than a Slayer who doesn't get off the ground. Circumstances make this game and having fun with League or not is entirely a mindset thing. If i play adc and an assasin one shots me with 2 abilities, i shouldn't say "oh wow that's broken". Because it that is exactly what an assasin is supposed to do. They one shot adcs. I should ask myself what went wrong in the first place, why did the assassin even have the opportunity to one shot me, not why he one shots me with 2 abilities.

[@frightgeist1404]

I really wish vars would start putting the music used in the description

[@kculzsinet]

Alternate title: Man comes out as extremely classist (some game was in there for some reason as well)

[@ichgehzocken2140]

The problem isnt marksman itself its champs without counterplay. Lets for example take zed: He ws his shadow somewhere doesnt really matter where presses ult from ridicoulously far away then q on the spot so that all 3 shurikans will hit regardless, maybe e if he feels like it too then instanly press r or w again and youre out. Literally no counterplay... The worst part is when those zed mains then act like they just "outplayed" or hell even just played well for doing one of the easiest things in the game. Same goes for champs like Kha Zix, Qyiana, rengar, eveylnn, Ad shaco etc. If you get in range to even autoattack you immedieatly get oneshot without any counterplay. Worst are those that get untargetable and invisible so that even standing next to your teammates doesnt have any effect. Honestly if theyd stop releasing champs that can carry but dont need any form of skill to do so adc would probably be the best role.

[@spicytunah8043]

Slayers require and EXTRAORDINARY amount of skill to play correctly. The triple Q combo is not easy to land. Kha’zix you have a bit of a point but the rest are very tricky to pull off.

[@Victorvonbass]

Tanks kinda destroy ad assassins. I agree there's a lot of things with no counterplay too tho. Especially juggernauts as a melee/tank. And Gangplank feels terrible to lane vs as well. Id rather lane vs Teemo the rest of my life.

[@cherno8336]

@@spicytunah8043 triple q isn't hard and double shuriken is free using the slow, and don't forget 600 damage from passive

[@kroniisfangs]

@@Victorvonbass tanks kinda destroy AD assassins? no man, AD assassins can ignore the tank with their stupid mobility, and don't even get me started on the bullshit that AP assassins are

[@NUKCYNDv]

@@kroniisfangs? Just play Fighters lol

[@Barnesofthenorth]

"even if their team mate has 1 brain cell", ah so that's where it goes wrong for enchanter's

[@rextron6437]

Tanks are D tier to play literally any champ that has lethal temp, blade of the ruined king and rageblade can beat you in a 1v1 ATM (not quit anyone people with low attack speeds like Rell can't). the amount of times someone has built 1 of the 15+ anti tank items and i go from it takes 5 seconds to kill me to 1. like 4 item Rammus and I go from winning against an Akshan to he adds an LDR to his build and I start to loose hard. Stuff like that is what makes me wonder why i main tank and then i get tower dove by some idiots and 1v4 them. Yeah basically when everyone gets 5 items you start to insta die and you start to be out tanked by skirmishers and basically just anyone with healing in their kit or building healing items. There is times where I am Rammus or Malphite into 4 ad champs and I am basically unkillable besides like yi, trundle and vayne cause they delete you even with 1k armour and i get to actually be an unkillable unit for a bit like I might last 5 seconds with all 5 of them attacking me and then I will die which feels amazing when that 1 in 300 games happens but it good. also just top is 90% non tanks cause if you go a tank you just get out everything's by the other classes in lane as the team fight champ stuck in the island lane against all the champs that are meant to win 1v1's. Bar like Sion cause he is basically a juggernaut with how he build 3 damage items and starts to 1 shot combo you with a prowlers. Also as they keep adding characters like Sett to the game where you either build hp so his w does less of total of you hp bar but then his r does 60% of your max plus 120% bonus ad it feels like they just don't want tanks to work in the game. (also 7 out of the last 10 champs have max or current hp damage in their kit which doesn't include Sett) So rant I guess about why tanks feel trash to play at at least in high silver low gold cause that's where my norms games are about in rank based on the people I verse and stuff. I think tanks are better the higher you go cause they are the team focused role but in casual they just get out classed by other classes as their job. Also I do kinda hate a few adc's cause you just can't do anything against them if you have no mobility in your kit or Vayne but mostly they are fine just not fun to get 1 shot combo'ed by a 3 item Caitlyn as a tank.

[@alpack2027]

i agree as tanks you are usually useless i mean you have hp? i will have better use it on marksman and other chemtech akali. You build resistances? i will shred them. Oh you want to fight? nope you are too slow. i hate playing as tank and against it because champs are unfun and unrewarding most of the time. The only tank i enjoyed was rell guess whats up with her? she is dead. My team cant play with her ablities and i get banned in champion select because they don't know her kit like what argument is it?

[@mayguardian1]

yeah tanks kinda suck rn, but i mostly think that’s because every anti tank item gives too much utility, and top lane is so isolated from the map. bork, ldr, shadowflame, liandries, etc. are all first pick items even if the enemy team doesn’t have tanks, so other classes literally give up nothing to itemize against tanks. + with tp changes, top lane is more of an island than ever, so ur more likely to end up behind bc u lose the 1v1. tanks are actually doing super well in the jungle rn, they’re just not very good in the current top meta

[@Darksilver740]

3:23 That Darius play was so satisfying to watch

[@marcusossowicki2729]

I think the juggernaut class is the best base because it allows for the greatest build diversity with either defensive and or offensive itemization depending on matchups and is clear cut in what champions are able and not able to do with flat-ish numbers. unlike %hp, healing, crit, excessive mobility or skillshot reliance etc.

[@twigtouch3788]

I believe in minion supremacy

[@SyntheticSilverGem]

I like how you rated how they were to play and play against

[@Top_Nep]

wait if Traskshan get every passive we just need to make a champ with every role giga brain

[@omegaminoseer4539]

You mean Kai'Sa? She's been the posterchild for that joke every year since her release. She can be: a diver (Killer Instinct + Icathian Rain + Evolved Supercharge), an assassin (Evolved Supercharge HoB Second Skin Proc), a Marksman (she usually builds Critical damage before the mage items were buffed), a Jungler (access to AoE clear, has strong gank threat post level-6, and pairs well with CC), and can be an Artillery mage due to the strange synergy she has with Shadowflame and Evolved Void Seeker.

[@alex2005z]

@@omegaminoseer4539 but she cant usually be all at once. You cant to ap and ad kaisa at the same time, so it feels more fair. She also cant survive to much damage any way she goes

[@hyperqprime]

I just picked up Viego and got my first win on him today. He's so fun. I think I'm hooked on him.

[@ethanbagley471]

I love playing mages and they feel great to play. I mostly play Artillerists and Burst mages. So they are very rewarding and I would give them that score. They often times cap off tbh, though. IDK about giving them a D to fight against, cuz it's hardly every the fed Orianna, or the fed Xerath I hafta worry about when I'm playing ADC or supporting them. Cuz the counterplay to mages is dodge and then lockdown. And the lockdown doesn't even need to be long before they get picked, especially if you have a Vanguard and an assassin. Of course that's the nature of playing, mage, but realistically, dodging the spells and knowing how they work seems to be something most people learn how to do fairly well after they hit level 30. That's just my thoughts.

[@eddiehansom1861]

The video rated "play" and "play against", but it could also be interesting to rate "play with (as a teammate)". I think this rating would be most relevant in specialists.

[@mannyvalerio6822]

Everyone bitches about Azir until the one on your team hands you 4 enemies on a golden shieldwall from fullscreen.

[@alex2005z]

13:06 but we do often see slayers in pro play. Gwen is played a lot, and so is viego

[@kaijvera7717]

He was talking about the assassins part of slayers, not the skirmishers.

[@alex2005z]

@@kaijvera7717 it seemed to me he was talking about the entire class with just a bit more focus on the assassins

[@dolphinsniper]

Personally I think your underestimating how fun tanks are to play, and how fair they are to play against. Their simple, straight forwards, and while they might have a lot of CC, you know if you can play around and dodge it, chances are you can whittle them down.

[@charliepea]

Artillery mages are the worst. There's only 3 of them and they're barely even used becuase of their very low mobility and all skillshot kit. They're also kicked out of the midlane cuz Ionians can easily shred them. I main Velkoz and Ziggs and I feel the pain of being an artillery.

[@calebwirt2703]

Used to main ziggs and got clapped for like a month straight before giving up miss playing my goofy little cringe man

[@gandalfpotter2149]

But it does feel good doing 1500 true damage with your ult and getting a quad

[@hacsakalllar4038]

ziggs is broken botlane and velkoz is strong enough in the support, but xerath is outright broken with how low his q cooldown gets and how easy it is to hit despite being a skillshot.

[@aabeeek]

Every Xerath's disadventage is compensated by having his attacks' hitbox larger than map. Perfect champion for blind people - you blatantly miss and still deal damage. Texture of his Q is *way too small* compared to actual hitbox.

[@wolfshadow2225]

Ionians lel I see artillery mages all the time in the bot lane, if you think you've felt pain try going against one as Rell

[@xavierburval4128]

7:44 Nah that was right on the spot If anything you kinda underestimated it

[@adambryant4149]

I feel like the subclasses should've been calculated instead of the entire class because going against a diver is a D experience, but going against juggernaut is usually around the B tier, except Nasus and Mundo in which case it's back to D

[@TheToastedTree]

Literally this. Most of the other subclasses within a overarching class generally do the same thing, but I think fighters is too broad. It puts something like Hecarim and Illaoi in the same umbrella and they play completely opposite, Illaoi wants to control a zone, preferably get engaged into and fight in her zone while Hecarim is a full blooded diver through and through.

[@shodore]

Going against a Catcher is B, against a Enchanter is fucking Z

[@adambryant4149]

@@shodore Other than Kench and Shen, Wardens are generally fine to go against

[@shodore]

@@adambryant4149 ye, mb. What I actually tried to say was Chatchers/Enchanters instead of Starters/Wardens. Already edited the comment.

[@ultimatesonic47]

i dont care to give an example? i dont remember the last time a diver was a problem for me

[@SrGundisalvus]

4:00 As a Jarvan IV main Yes. I do wish I had *just that bit more* to get the job done all the time

[@gaborvanvelsen9063]

Depends on what you define as the "best" class

[@fazlic3858]

I think support has the best balance, they can do so much and pressure around the map really well however they also have to play it smart and do there job well to have any inpact. This means that when you see a good support its not as frustrating like a assassin.

[@sspectre8217]

I love playing support but wether it’s the best role or not depends on your team. Playing a support with a good team with proper communication for me is the best experience in League for me. Alone though, it’s meh on average

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

When you see a good support player you hope it is on your team otherwise you will see how oppressive it can be to face

[@alexandrecalderaro4312]

what subclass are lillia and gwen? they are both fighters but i’m not sure where they would fall under the spectrum

[@cherno8336]

if I remember correctly fighter and battlemage

[@joseramonm.h.8620]

Both of them are skirmishers or so says the wiki :o

[@dastrawberydum]

The wiki classifie them as squirmisher. I can understand for lillia, but Gwen is more of a battle mage.

[@GIimiar]

@@dastrawberydum gwen is heavily based around auto attacks, which means she can't be a mage (a class defined by having a lot of ability scalings + reliance on ranged damage through abilities and building ap)

[@dylansmith6078]

Specialist class is the classic "if I don't know what I am doing, neither do you" and that is why it is the best class

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I genuinely believe that ADC will never feel consistently good to play as long as the deck is stacked against them with how strong inversely the jungler and especially support class has been for several years at this point. Supports should not be constantly dictating wether or not the ADC is allowed to play the game and they certainly shouldn’t be allowed as much agency and forgiveness to playing their role with no downside compared to ADC who are forced to put up with having to play perfectly and still can lose the game if the team around them collapses like a dollar store condom

[@lolon7550]

Tbh you sound like a salty 40% wr adc main

[@milanrincel4301]

@@lolon7550 nah don't worry bro, adcs are sooo weak, it's absolutely not that a lot of adc players are crybabies who suffer from anime protagonist syndrome

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

@@lolon7550 I have no love for ADC since the days when Graves was still an ADC/not a jungler. I also have a hard time to sympathize with ADC mains who pretend the item rework didn’t give them a shit ton of broken items/releases like Samira and aphelios. That doesn’t erase my ability to see however that even with broken items, the role is just garbage only outclassed by top lane in being a coin flip in wether or not you’re going have a fun time. If you can’t see how junglers and support have better agency and thus playmaking ability then roles like ADC and Top lane and even mid, that’s your problem.

[@lolon7550]

@@vinnythewebsurfer you don't have to come at me with a ted talk like this, tbh i actually ENJOY my time spend plaing adcs (no cap) and i have above 60% wr too so i wouldn't say the role's useless

[@milanrincel4301]

@@vinnythewebsurfer yeah, the role being a coinflip is true, although it usually just means that the enemy botlane is just destroying your team

[@swavii4337]

I love how each class got some highs some lows in terms if description and once you get to specialist it's almost all ribbing on them.

[@RaviPatel-lb7uc]

I read the title as "Ovulating" every class in League of Legends.... Even the titles looking submissive and breedable these days

[@di5963]

battle mages i cannot really put into words why but i love playing them and i actually never feel bad playing against them either

[@shaenlir]

Ah yes, I love playing vs cass

[@sebastianlaplume461]

Mid-late game scalers without dashes and explicit gimmicks and weaknesses. People complain about viktor a lot but he’s never not going to get face rolled for the majority of lanes and games. I main Asol who’s a sort of a battle mage, sort of. He’s just strong early unlike the rest of the class and has insane macro pressure so he subverts a lot of the weaknesses of battle mages. I’d say he’s a specialist, and the only battle mages he loses too are ori and Cassio, the rest he stomps.

[@sebastianlaplume461]

@@shaenlir cass can’t buy boots in exchange for not having to wait at least 15 minutes to fight unlike the rest of the class, it’s an explicit trade off that denies her a mid game spike, where most midlaners shine. Her passive makes her relevant again by late game, but it’s rare games go on that long.

[@di5963]

@@shaenlir her w is the only annoying part

[@screechingtoad2683]

I picked controllers. But i do wish there was an enchanter with a super high skill celling. Maybe with like one easy ability for supporting, and the rest of their kit; whether its damage, cc, utility or some combination, is extremely skill expressive. I know there are a few like that, but i mean like a 3 out of 3 for difficulty, instead of a 2 or less out of 3 like all enchanters

[@davide.schiaffino]

Welcome Renata Glasc!

[@screechingtoad2683]

@@davide.schiaffino Wait... she's an enchanter?

[@davide.schiaffino]

@@screechingtoad2683 Supposed to be, at least. Stated by Riot.

[@screechingtoad2683]

@@davide.schiaffino I looked up her abilities, and yes. They fit an enchanter. she has two abilities and a passive that affects allies

[@davide.schiaffino]

@@screechingtoad2683 She seems fun to play, and it looks to me like she has a decently high skill ceiling. I looked up her kit and some stuff is actually quite challenging to use, specially her R. Maybe she's THE skilled enchanter, which is super super cool to have in the game. A breath of fresh air.

[@aquasnippy]

Tanks are the most fun thing to play ever. I feel so good when I set something up knowing that my team will kill everyone in front of me while I watch and walk next and with them because I take no damage.

[@harakoni2135]

Imediatley cross out marksman gg ff feeding bot 😂

[@EricBlanchBrines]

14:01 all things to say im a otp cho and even 3 years playing him i can't say a strat that will kill it 100% of the time "in 1v1 scenario" that's why i love the class even do i play it as a tank i do play the laning more of a bruisher.. for real im really agro on some lanes

[@madsgrams2069]

I love Xin Zhao because he's technically a diver, but has a damage output comparable to a skirmisher and it drives most actual skirmishers, as well as a sizable portion of assasins crazy with his 1 vs 1 dueling potential. :)). And he has a ridiculous amount of CC, as well as insane sticking potential for how much damage he does, which also makes him the bane of marksmen. He's simple and one-dimensional, true, but goddamn is he effective nonetheles... Will you basically always know what he's gonna do? Sure! Does it matter? NOPE!!! Cause most of the time there's nothing you really can do unless you have godlike CC, a team-mate to back you up or are one of the handful of champion that can take him on 1 on 1 (Jax., Tryndamere, Yi) :))

[@EddyConejo]

I find Xin Zhao much easier to deal with than a Master Yi who goes ooga booga running at me and kills me anyway because he has Kayn R in his Q

[@madsgrams2069]

@@EddyConejo Yes, Master Yi is BS because of Alpha Strike and Kayn is BS because of his wall hacks. Xin Zhao is much more honest and fair. I mean, yes, sure, his ultimate is pretty BS in itself, but it's an ultimate. Gwen has pretty much the same thing, but on a 10 second CD. Stil, my point is that Master Yi and Kayn, with all their BS, are both firmly representative of their respective subclasses: blue Kayn is an assassin and Yi and Red Kayn are skirmishers. And the champions I like most are the ones that blur the lines between 2 or more subclasses (and no, not the "specialists", they're so weird that they don't really fit anywhere). There are other examples of this apart from Xin: Diana, who is technically an assasin, but is so tanky and has so much sustained damage on top or her burst, that she also work as a diver (the reverses of this would be Camille and Lee Sin, who are divers, but have bursts comparable to most assasins), Brand, who is a burst mage, but his passive does so much damage and has CDs low enough, that he can actually pull double-duty as a battle-mage, Rumble, who is technically a battle-mage, but also acts like a juggernaut of sorts, etc. Ofc...like most good things, this concept can fail spectacularly at times... Corki tries to be both a marksman and a batlte-mage and is pretty bellow average at both. And Yone...no champion should be both a skirmisher and an assasin at the same time, but he somehow is and that's just...some major BS.

[@jaketerpening3284]

@@EddyConejo Idk if master Yi runs at me he can get locked up and burst down. Even if Xin gets locked up he is just invincible anyway. And he is also one of the best ganking champs in the game whereas Master Yi means free lanes until 6. Yi also can get way harder shut down by stuff like hourglass and GA.

[@marvinrobinson1333]

Always great content. To think this is a mixing of all your other classes and subclass video is a good assessment. It's the perfect format to summarize, and I don't think you need to rehash the details, if anyone ask, just refer them to those videos for more detail.

[@mikeesteves8427]

Big fan of Juggernauts since they dont have dashes

[@matt-z5j]

Because of lifesteal and shields, I find myself out tanked by fighters all the time. I main ornn and while going full tank I find myself having similar numbers on self mitigated damage after a match, as for instance yone, hecarim or kayn. Say i end the match with 100k self mitigated damage they can end with 90k and that could be a yone with full crit build.

[@inkromancer_studios]

Obviously Slayers are the best class since Skirmishers can do everything every other class can do and often times they do it better. Jack of all trade master of everything. I'm surprised you only ranked them as A and D. S and F would have been better scores...

[@TheDimir]

Well, they can't heal allies, usually don't have a lot in cc department and assassins can be killed as fast, as they kill you. So most of the times they just deal damage and dash around. Is it annoying? Yes. Is it broken sometimes? For sure. But are they really a jack of all trades? No.

[@DiegoHernandez-vv3iv]

8:40 The ting that us frustrating about vayne is that it doesn't matter how far behind she is, she will always have relevant dps. If you pick akshan/ senna and go 0/6 you will be useless, vayne will still deal good dps regardles gold. A feed vayne will kill you in 3 AA, an 0/6 vayne will kill you in 9 AA.

[@carrier2823]

Tanks are the most fun to play because while the enemy team spent 20 minutes trying to take half of your health bar, your adc finished their sandwich, your midlaner was picking their nose, and your jungler figured out that there was a minimap.

[@matthewporter7871]

I think you mean half a second for half your health bar. Tanks aren’t tanky.

[@sebastianlaplume461]

@@matthewporter7871 sunderer, Bork, bc, grudge, ldr, liandry’s, void staff, demonic, kraken, and every bruiser having built in %hp damage for some god forsaken reason really ruins the fun.

[@poom323]

@@matthewporter7871 that why you need to install a cannon to your tank. Tankgewehr might sound scary but they can't compared to cannon or mortar anyway.

[@carrier2823]

@@sebastianlaplume461 the reason antitank needs to exist in excess is so we don’t have everyone complaining about tank meta, unfortunately

[@sebastianlaplume461]

@@carrier2823 anti tank is already covered by the champions, there’s an excess amount of %hp damage in top lane, there’s doesn’t need to be that many overtuned anti tank items to boot… also vayne.

[@sortilien2099]

I play only tanks. i like the fact that i can orchestrate the all team fight & play for my team. i feel it satisfying. And a lot of tank can just burst/ repeatidly short trade you to death if you are ahead.

[@marcoestevez6944]

Sadly, the slayer role is the best because Riot doesn’t know how his game works 🤪

[@drifty6666]

when he said"how it feels" i cant stop thinking about lazy purple

[@panadatm]

Yes, it'd be ridiculous if tryndamere, straight forward champ with no utility was extremely popular in the current pro play meta. Clueless

[@ryan-uf9gu]

His slow and shut down of early game mages

[@spicytunah8043]

I would argue there are three subclasses that are tied for first place: Divers, Juggernauts, and Skirmishers. This is for one reason and one reason only - agency. Agency is defined by one’s ability to control the outcome of the game, and these three have the most by leaps and bounds. All three can start fights, take objectives quickly, knock down towers, and overall apply the most pressure. The reason why they’re tied is because each one excels where the other lacks, and different scenarios call for different builds. Juggernauts have far superior durability and ability to take up space, but they lack the mobility that their peers have. Divers have the best initiation of the three, while being a jack of all trades in their stat line. Skirmishers have the most damage and stick potential, while also being the squishiest. Regardless, there’s a reason why these three classes reach rank 1 so consistently and this is why.

[@zandromex8985]

These are the most effective classes at a given time, sure, but the question was not in this direction. It was meant as "best designed" which is related to the balance between personal agency and what a person can do against them and sorry but I think most people agree these, specially skirmishers, are very near the bottom.

[@RaYu5150]

Wait, adc counter tanks ? (RIP adc role)

[@hj-lg3ys]

just from personal experience i think the ranking in how enjoyable roles are depends on whether the player is new to mobas/lol, i've never played mobas until league and marksmen and kiting champions like lillia are the most comfortable and enjoyable since i either don't have to be in the enemies faces or i can hit and back away just as fast.

[@AlexDreams0324]

I don't know, I feel differently about the marksmen role. It depends on whether you are playing traditional or non-traditional marksmen. I hate playing a traditional one like Ashe and Jinx, but I love non-traditional like Miss Fortune, Ezreal, etc.

[@cherno8336]

those aren't Markshmen

[@vincentparodi2320]

What you said about grasp is totaly true. Besides its poke utility it can be considerated kinda boring to some. BUT playing a tank vs tank 1v1 grasping not stop on each other is one of the most satifaying and relaxing way to play league

[@grommy511]

I dont agree with mages. Becouse of amount of sustain and tankyness and ASSasins matchups in midlane usually are not ahead enough to outdmg enemy adc sustain. Oh and there are immortal wind brothers. Good luck killing them even with 3 levels ahead and item advantage

[@sebastianlaplume461]

Just main Asol like me bro, yasuo will never win lane again if you do. I have a 83% wr in matchup, and globally it’s a 59% wr, basically free. Yone doesn’t care about counter picks though, sadge.

[@grommy511]

@@sebastianlaplume461 there is one problem. i am pepea at aurelion sol

[@sebastianlaplume461]

@@grommy511 he’s not hard tho… similar difficulty to ryze to vel’koz where as long as you position well you’re gonna schlap people. Asol is very misunderstood.

[@grommy511]

@@sebastianlaplume461 i played him. its just stupid how when something dashes into your champ your stun dont work and you cant do shit. and you are immobile mage who gets oneshot by anything and have to play close

[@sebastianlaplume461]

@@grommy511 time warp tonic and only holding stun for offensive trading makes life a lot easier. You should be trading on stun cooldown after level two, Asol is a strong enough lane bully to cheese pantheon consistency, which is saying something. Most people just play super passive on him and of course that isn’t going to feel good, you’ll get out traded defensively and our scaled after twenty minutes because his abysmal ratios, however, I’m sure you’re aware of how high his wr in before then.

[@FABBYFLAME]

adc is the most frustration role to play in soloq, but when it goes good its the most fun imo

[@bagirute112]

ADC becoming worse and worse mainly not because of something changing with class but everything around them. When they add new drake or buff or item some monster or etc. they make game better for everyone else but the marksman so it becomes harder for you to take em out if they can do more stuff and you cant. Whats more frustrating is that riot knows that and their fix is "release new meta adapted adc" . New adc can do so much more and often have mobility but they still go botlane against old ones so obv they win lanes have higher win rates and get nerfed to the ground in return. Things also don't help that adc became "good" around 30 min if unfed- when game is about to end so you have nothing good to do other than follow the team just to get some safe farming. And on top of that other classes need less items that are cheaper and more efficient. The whole game just hates this class even tho most champs in it are fun and healthy designed.

[@kyuu9762]

1:30 was that goredrinker akali?? Ima have to try that!

[@loganduncan4315]

Enchanters

[@joranvanolphen9892]

I think with specialists playing as them greatly depends as you stated. But i think it really depends on how well your playstyle resonated with said certain champion you pick from this class. Nothing feels better than everyone trying to geg away from you while in your fiddle or kennen ult. Watching the world burn as heimer, teemo or singed. But if you missplace your shrooms, or turrets you feel useless. If you cant find an angle for your fiddle or kennen ult you feel sad.

[@kikai-W]

Best are fighters for sure. They can survive assassins and kill tanks and adcs are useless vs them

[@mooseroom]

i love playing fighters and divers because it feels so rewarding to start a play and survive till the end of it knowing that you actually had an impact

[@amebee4005]

For me the best class is artillery mages. They can do a whole lot while being very vulnerable when jumped on

[@sebastianlaplume461]

At first I thought you meant “best” as in “strongest” and I was about to go off lol. It just takes one game for a kha to ult and E over a wall to one shot you in a single Q under your own tower to understand why having 900 hp, no dashes, and only having delayed skill shot cc to peel with isn’t viable or strong in the current meta. As much as I love occasionally playing vel’koz, he’s not viable outside of niche counter picks.

[@neveahphillips5610]

It’s gotta be fighters for me even though I only play one, you know what to expect and they are very straightforward, Hecarim and J4 want to R your backline and create an opening for your team, besides that they want to play flanks and setup 2v1s.

[@neveahphillips5610]

@@sebastianlaplume461 I wouldn’t say that, Kha’Zix isn’t one shotting you with crown, that item specifically has made them a lot more viable and less niche imo.

[@sebastianlaplume461]

@@neveahphillips5610 artillery mages with crown, lololol. The class that requires damage the most to be relevant tickling people, good joke. Also kha has w….. sorry crown, you blocked 74 damage while not preventing the 99% slow so then kha one shot in a single Q regardless.

[@neveahphillips5610]

@@sebastianlaplume461 if he Ws you he reveals his location, you have a team, stick to them, also he can’t kill you under turret while you aren’t isolated.