Eve0lution - We Need Female Space Marines - Warhammer Diorama

[@52Miniatures]

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[@DelightfulTyrant]

-No we don't need female space marines -The lore doesn't support it -if you demand we change the lore of our 35 year old game for your politics, this game isn't for you -you only care because space marines are the poster boys, you don't really give a flip about female representation. If you did, you'd be more focused on the all female Guard regiments, or the Sisters of Battle -where are the male sororitas? I'm waiting.... Removing your channel from search results, and blocking your channel as well. Zero tolerance on politicizing my hobbies. Go away.

[@ExecratedPlaysGaming]

Do you know why the Space Marines are the poster boy for Warhammer 40k? It's because they're a blank slates for players to create something unique from. If you really want female Space Marines, you need only build them. Just like all the people that want any other unique variation of Space Marine. The fact that there aren't female Space Marines in the lore is no more sexist than the fact there aren't any male Sisters of Silence. Would the Sisters of Silence be made better by having them suddenly be male? No. They'd be made far worse if they were forced to be just one more generic faction in a setting full of generic factions because nothing is allowed to be unique in fear of hurting the feelings of some 40-something year old man who identifies as an underage girl.

[@candymandan]

​@ExecratedPlays Alex literally did what you suggest. He wanted a female ultramarine, so he made one. Why do you sound so upset.

[@Sujad]

@@candymandan Because wokies have been trying to push female marines for years now.

[@damienmccuinn1956]

Okay so I wanna provide a neutral explanation for this. First the real reason, GW did have female space marine models at one point but they did not sell so they were drop and then reintroduced as the Sororitas. Now lorewise: Only 1% of 1% of a world's female population has been stated by the Emperor to be viable with geneseed implementation. But this would essentially overwrite the female and make her body look in line with her male counterparts which means there would be little to no difference between Male and Female aside from needing a custom catheter for her armor. Now there are issues further as we can lean of irl knowledge to explain further. Organ transplants between the sexes have a lower chance of being accepted by the body and even if they can do it the person has to take anti-rejection meds at a higher rate than other implanties. So let's scale this up to a female space marine, given the fact all geneseed is based on male physiology that means at best the subject will have to receive more in the way of medical resources to keep her functioning in contrast to her battle brothers. At worse she has a shorter lifespan than a conventional space marine due to the higher chance of inevitable rejection. Also no you can not use the necromunda ladies, pretty sure the Fists do not recruit from any clan that is genetically modified like the goliaths. So in short yes it is possible, but for the Imperium it's such a resouce sink it's better to send those same female candidates to the Sororitas which will have a higher success rating to get them into powered armor than trying to turn them into a space marine. From an irl standpoint female space marines render both the Sister of Battle and the newly returned Sisters of Silence redundant, this is coming from the dude that lore dived so hard I figured out multiple ways around it and made super soldier women.

[@Wijkert]

Love how the underpainting of the face turned out! Also how you balanced the colors for the diorama (color of the leaves being gold for example).

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you Wijkert, experimenting with that, and I think I definitely will continue! It gave a pretty good map of what colour to exagerate later on.

[@Wijkert]

@@52Miniatures I weirdly have become attached to you calling me W... 😊

[@samprastherabbit]

Your weathering of the armour is so cool! Also loving those apples in your cool little diorama :) Underpainting the face looks incredible, I guess I'll have to start doing that now lol

[@TylerProvick]

You are right about the origin of Ultramarine pigment, but sadly for us romantics SoFlat Ultramarine Blue is a synthetic pigment Polysulfide of Sodium-Alumino-Silicate, and sadly for single-pigment enthusiasts, also contains titanium dioxide.

[@52Miniatures]

Yes, I wouldn’t have been able to afford crushed Lapis Lazuli… so it’s “synthetic” ultramarine and a little white… Sure, if you want to be dead straight, it’s not single pigment. But it’s not mixed with any other colour but white… something I would have had to do otherwise and later on did to work up some volume.

[@NornQueenKya]

No thank you. Let's instead give the community what they really want. More xenos factions

[@oscarandreas1431]

Nids need a glow up, t’au ally xeno would be nice, nids nids need help

[@Matt-md5yt]

Glad you popped up my friend. Yes GW needs to do that, they got the Marine problem.

[@umbraelegios4130]

For the Greater Good!.

[@Chu466]

When the f. did you hear "lets not do any more xenos factions" in the video? all he is stating is that the cover of GW needs more representation. Did you even see the same video?

[@Monkeyshaman]

Don't see a problem with an accessory sprue till they figure out hrud and enslaver heavies & transport.

[@Berserkerworks]

Alex, I'm very disappointed, that you didn't drill a hole in that gun barrel 😄 Great dio! This is a well articulated video.

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks B!

[@ZombieApocalypse09]

Super cool diorama. Looks great. And Eve getting revenge on that snake is perfect.

[@alangates5240]

I keep searching the diorama for a rib bone! Great video.

[@52Miniatures]

Hah! hidden in the waste pipe maybe

[@tftf60]

I prefer the mobile infantry to any Space marine. Would you like to know more?

[@Matt-md5yt]

Yes the Guardsman like unit from Starship Troopers are way better then augmented humans

[@52Miniatures]

I’ve only got another trillion beaky marines to paint from that darn box, then we might go there :)

[@Matt-md5yt]

@@52Miniatures beakies are my favorite helmet varient

[@DangerBay]

would be cool for sure,

[@wolfmanjim21]

Excellent work again Alex! I've been thinking of doing something similar for my space wolves. The way I see it, they're future space vikings, so I can't see why I shouldn't make some futuristic space shield maidens.

[@MarcinEstkowski]

So many Ideas after watching this. Thanks!

[@BadgerLovingFluffster]

"I made apples, and I am happy" possibly the best line I have ever heard in a painting vid. Lovely job Alex. Viva la Eve-olution!

[@ThatGuyNicho]

>We need female Space Marines My brother in The Emperor, we absolutely do *not*. Cool diorama and great paint work; iffy message.

[@gomezzara_creative]

From my perspective I think we should stop giving so many things to SM and concentrate on improving the other armies with a greater variety of female options (Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, etc). Also, Sisters of Battle deserves more attention and love too!

[@rexaxis3450]

Exactly, I spoke to my wife about this too(as she likes Warhammer alot, aos/fantasy a bit more than 40k.) And she asked why? Why not enhance the females they already had, female Tau, adepta sororitas, inquisitors, astra militarum, etc. The astartes are supposed to be a brotherhood of ascetic crusaders, instead of just trying to overtake that, just uplift the female options you already do have!

[@rexaxis3450]

@@Primaris_sucks I see a pretty simple solution, why not two options for one kit? Male or female inquisitors, captains etc(where applicable) with a small variety of arm/head swap options to portray the options available on the table top

[@363AJFTW363]

would female necrons look much different from normal necrons, considering they are mass produced mechanical bodies? female tyranids also seem a bit weird considering nids don't really have a gender. I'm so down for more female gsc, tau, and votann though

[@Matt-md5yt]

I agree, the Guard are important also. Sisters of Battle are to me more bad to the bone than their male counterparts. People complain often because old lore and I mean ancient one had them.

[@rexaxis3450]

@@363AJFTW363 while I could see a long lost necron queen stylistically looking feminine, I believe in lore all necrons were given the same style of necrodermus depending on task/hierarchy. As for the other options there is biologically no purpose for sexual dimorphism in nids as they don't reproduce in the same way.

[@Huckleberry_Sid]

Fantastic diorama, and a wonderfully thoughtful discussion. Something I'd love to see return to the 40k setting is a bit more of the obvious satire of earlier editions. The whole idea that there really is no hero or good guy in the grand aspect of the setting was one of the dystopian elements that really captivated me about 40k originally.

[@paulhempenstall5463]

Another amazing diorama in the series!

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks Paul!

[@BillMakingStuff]

A FEMALE SPACE MARINE! Whats a space marine? Nice dio tho.

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks Bill, I like the apples!

[@KrullMaestaren]

Rogue Trader had female marines but , if I remember correctly, one of the old designers said that they did not sell good enough. So they got removed in 2nd ed 40k with things like half eldar space marines.

[@johnnyz1781]

No it didn't.

[@joahnaut]

That's all made up. Stop peddling this bullshit.

[@chancemcclendon3906]

@@johnnyz1781 Gabs and Jayne dispute this.

[@cheesemarine]

​@@chancemcclendon3906 'female space explorers' or whatever it was, not 'space marines'. It's also weird to cite things from RT given that a 'space marine' was something very different back then.

[@Lucama221]

It had "female warrior" models which looked distinct from Space Marines of the era. It is far more likely those were prototype Sororitas models. The designer talking about it doesn't cite anything and it doesn't make sense that there was no demand for female armies/models given that Sororitas were given a full army in 2nd and an expanded model range in 3rd kinda indicating that there absolutely was a market for female models.

[@Pantmonger]

Very cool. Definitely going to try that under painting you do for the head. And welcome onboard the pro FemSM train :)

[@wtf1a1a]

for anyone curious this video is sitting at about a 50/50 split of likes to dislikes

[@wtf1a1a]

@@ONIMOT100 im seeing 1.2k likes to 1k dislikes

[@52Miniatures]

Currently, 1,521 thumbs up and 533 thumbs down. I'm usually at a 98% - 99% Likes.

[@BadgerLovingFluffster]

@@52Miniatures Amazing how many people get triggered by this sort of stuff. There is absolutely nothing to dislike in the video, other than if one was guilty of thinking a certain way... more power to lady marines!

[@wtf1a1a]

@@BadgerLovingFluffster accept your ignoring the lore of the battle sister just to seem regressive.

[@BadgerLovingFluffster]

@@wtf1a1a You do know this is all make believe, right? 🤣

[@CaffeinatedMiniatures]

Fantastic as always, Alex! Perhaps the next one in the series should involve another female space marine disposing of a bunch of trolls ;)

[@frogfairy1163]

Love the story you give your diorama. Love the unortodox choices. I don't like spacemarines, never had. And against all odds... this idea and story makes me want to make a badass female spacemarine.

[@Numtalegau]

Technique wise, it is superb. As usual. The idea of a female space marine shatters the (my) immersion that the lore brings and merits. Call me a stickler but the reasons there are no female SM are well documented. Anyway, thanks for the upload.

[@oscarandreas1431]

Hey Nice to see someone wich is humbel about their opinion and Nice i agree and i love the diorama

[@charmedimsure8852]

Awesome work as always Alex! Cant wait for the next instalment

[@listener709]

The plasma pistol brings it down looks like a nerf gun

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

I think the biggest thing holding back female space marines right now is how long it has been a boys club. very early we got 2 female space marines and that was it, when GW was still trying things out in their infancy. now that it has been 40 years since those days, to have change this big would be very drastic and require incredible amount of retcons from those past 40 years of warhammer history to somehow now allow female space marines that didnt appear anywhere between the age of strife and lions awakening, which spans some 20 thousand years. so there will be the question of, "why was it not done before if it could have been done?" and I think that is the biggest problem standing in the way of female space marines. had it been done since day one, there would not be such a problem. genetically engineered super soldiers would likely end up just as unisex as fallouts super mutants, no matter if they were male or female. the only real thing they would have to produce is put an extra pair of bare female heads in the box.

[@52Miniatures]

Indeed! Thank you for the comment 👍

[@Zeromusicmm]

Good Video, as always . .. but . . .what we really need is more Male Sister's of Battle. Can you please make that diorama next?

[@Zeromusicmm]

… :(. I am starting to think Alex won’t make that video….I wonder why?

[@oscarandreas1431]

But but mah diversity - politics (Disclaimer im not trying to offend anybody or the creator just making a joke.)

[@deadminiatures]

Brilliant video and story)

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you, I appreciate it

[@VAQUING1991]

I don't hate the idea of female space marines. There's some nice third party heads out there and I've seen some nice paintjobs, including this one. It doesn't look out of place. However, I do think keeping space marines a male only faction works within 40k. "Sister of Battle already exist" is a popular line, but that's to easy of an argument to make. The Imperium is a theological dictatorship. Any type of advancement is seen as heresy. IMO, this is another example of "Humanity are not the good guys" and it works quite well within 40k.

[@casimirtrasta5834]

No

[@modhail6908]

A lovely diorama, well executed and well painted. The underpainting on the face was very educational to see, i may have to give that a go sometime.

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you, it was an experiment. The colours got pretty covered but gave me enough of a guide to work with that I later on could enhance. Definitely going to try more of that.

[@khaosbydesignuk946]

I 100% agree with you, in fact i'm making some Raven Guard Phobos Marines with lady Stormcast heads myself.

[@andresperedo1275]

Very nice, I think you are right on point (and thanks to trovarion to drag me here!)

[@52Miniatures]

Welcome Andrés!

[@andresperedo1275]

And, by the way, one of the main issues for GW to be more equalitarian is that not just the space marines are all males (that could be easily changed), but all the main characters: The Emperor and all the Primarchs. As a joke I always say that one of the lost Primarchs, who did something so terrible that was erased from every archive, was to be a female. That would be an interesting (and highly sarcastic) plot twist.

[@52Miniatures]

@@andresperedo1275 It would be the prefect "save"

[@thatotherguy7596]

Hi Alex, I'm happy to hear that the commentator is back. He did a wonderful job again. And, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't do whatever the hell you want regarding your hobby. Create what your muse inspires. Enjoy and thanks 👍🙂

[@52Miniatures]

Back with a vengeance it seems.

[@folkenio]

Well, another banger of a build!! I really like the way she looks, and the story behind it brings quite a lot to it.

[@StevilKanevil_]

Another amazing diorama. The comment section gave me an idea for your next one, what about a space marine clearing out some trolls from under a bridge?

[@52Miniatures]

Hah! Duly noted. It’s also good because of elevation. Elevation is a good thing in dioramas :)

[@brendenconolly7161]

Love it! So good to see a kick arse female space marine!

[@flannellemur4818]

See Adeptus sororitas, they already exist

[@brendenconolly7161]

@@flannellemur4818 yep, not genetically enhanced. Love them too, but not quite the same thing

[@flannellemur4818]

@@brendenconolly7161 clearly don’t love them enough

[@pagumb]

A thoughtful, well presented project and discussion. Do let us know if the Eve olution poster is available somewhere for use as a terrain enhancing detail on tabletops everywhere.

[@gahngis8158]

With the explanation in universe even female marines would look identical to male marine. The process of space marine creation is essentially a rough hormone treatment and organ implantation.

[@52Miniatures]

Yes, that’s why I wanted to go with an established chapter and not make a “female” chapter. Just more meat for the grinder 😬

[@Matt-md5yt]

@@52Miniatures and picked the chapter whose father gotten a CogBoy to fix his father's work. I think you did one heck of a job

[@RyMar87]

Well said Alex! Really like this diorama! What do you do with these when you're finished? Do you display them somewhere in your home?

[@52Miniatures]

No, they are in a cupboard, like all my other painted minis. Maybe I can display them at Alpha Spel, my local friendly gamestore one day.

[@markfrommontana]

@@52Miniatures That's a great idea.. I'm sure the store owner/manager would be delighted to display them.

[@bobalouiehonduras]

Thank you for ventilating your ideas and also providing intriguing painting video to contemplate! Your underpainting of the face was eye opening, but I wonder how effective it is versus other methods. From narrative concept to displayed technique, there’s a lot to take home and ponder in this. Thanks for making these great videos.

[@52Miniatures]

I definitely need to try more of that underpainting. What it did do was leave a slight hint of tones that I later on could enhance. A little like a cheat sheet. Nice maybe when learning?

[@badlanz8642]

You should do a male Sister of battle that would be amazing!!

[@52Miniatures]

Mister of Battle!

[@Gritt4reel]

@@52Miniatures /watch?v=DTpB5oJpBlg

[@andresperedo1275]

Trovarion got you covered!

[@thenumbere1045]

Also part of the process of creating a space marine is being pumped with testosterone

[@dirtyjack6300]

No we don't. Makes no sense to the lore and SoB are already there in Power Armor. They also have their own unique flavor.

[@thexenoist3493]

Soo... is that ratio of 1.6k likes to 1.4k dislikes my browser add on shows accurate or is it worse or slightly better?

[@52Miniatures]

On the backend here it's: 1692 Likes and 579 Dislikes = 74% Likes

[@thexenoist3493]

@@52Miniatures Interesting, I've heard the add on is conservative with dislikes but I guess it's estimations can be off either way. I wonder if any videos that seem well received are actually hated.

[@lordhamster9452]

When anyone brings up female space marines: “Brave but foolish! “So steel yourself, And remember! there can be no bravery, without madness!” On a serious note: your diorama is gorge! Really fan of the colours! And who doesn’t like a little over grime. Your talk about the grim dark eden sorta reminded me of the dark eden expansion for mutant chronicles. A relic for the war gaming and rpg world lost to time on old tera. Plus, “death by apple juice” XD

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks you Mr Lord Hamster!

[@lordhamster9452]

@@52Miniatures Gladly! We should thank you for bringing new ideas into that war gaming community.

[@EdwinK-13]

A diorama of biblical proportions! Fantastic imagery brother!

[@arghroar]

Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence. We have enough badass women in this setting, no need to rewrite the lore.

[@phillipkrzeminski5003]

Beautiful painting and even better commentary, all spot on and a good reflection on the franchise's evolution.

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you very much!

[@gtsprowls]

I was thinking about this video's message recently. I play a lot of Blood Bowl and there are more an more female models getting into this section of Games Workshop. It doesn't seem that it would be hard to see this bleed over into other armies/games. I enjoy the variety and I wanted to make sure that you knew of this faction of Games Workshop and their gender equality to inflicting harm on others.

[@52Miniatures]

There's plenty of females around, especially Age of Sigmar. This is about Space Marines specifically.

[@Armiesintoart]

I would love to see some imperial guard ladies (I don’t know if they got that option with the new modes). It would be a great example that all of humanity is fighting against the galaxy. I like the video though! Great looking diorama

[@slymarbo7613]

New guard and traitor guard are really good for it, the torsos stay the same you just pick a male or female head option

[@LukeSteichen]

Another amazing piece of art and wonderful video! I've been working on adding female heads to my Space Marine forces, and I never thought to check my Stormcast bits for heads to use. Thanks for the tip!

[@52Miniatures]

My pleasure Luke!

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

I refer to my prior comment on the Veil Touched. That the sheer amount of testosterone and muscle augmenting treatment they undergo would remove all femininity. and they would just look like every other Space Marine... Beard, square jaw, stern eyes and gravely voice included. And again, there are the Sisters of Battle. Who are totally badass in their own right.

[@end179]

fantastics painting and social commentary. I'm here for female space marines.

[@timothyreeder2931]

Awesome video Alex. The diorama looks great!

[@JohnC_EuroLegions]

Beautiful painting with a superbly delivered poetic narrative.

[@52Miniatures]

Many thanks!

[@Marcusstratus]

3:36 Hah!!!! That's hilarious. Love your space marine weathering. Thanks for sharing another diorama build!

[@52Miniatures]

Hah! I’m glad, it was my “one liner”

[@klug5916]

Eve and the fruit of knowledge, tempted by the demon in form of a snake. I praise your take on the biblical mythology and bringing it to this grim universe, it's really original. Also, I enjoy your very personal but argumented point of view. As always, a very nice and relaxing video, with a lot of hints or new ideas.

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you Klug, and I'm glad you saw this side of the diorama, its gone sorely missed :)

[@klug5916]

@@52Miniatures Well, as a fan of mythology, including the Biblical one (because most of the strange things in the Bible are just elements taken from other mythologies), it's difficult for me not to see it ^^ Anyway, I'm very curious about your next project. As always, take your time and bring high quality content, it's the most enjoyable. And happy end of the year.

[@spacetoy4584]

Im old enough to have once owned female space marines from gw, be nice if they did them today to be honest as im not keen on the sisters of battle look.

[@redschafer7804]

weren't they part of a side game like Blood bowl or Nachmund not really cannon?

[@andresperedo1275]

I think you just need to put some female heads and you got it. And one per squad will do the trick. The easiest conversion ever :)

[@flyq7470]

@@redschafer7804 they were official models. This was back in the rogue trader days, pre warhammer 40,000 but still part of the main game. They only made two as I recall, they stopped making them as a response to the packs they came in not selling well. They made up the lore reasons from there to justify not making more. A shame considering how cool the female stormcast models are. I can only imagine how cool female space marines could be after 2 decades of design updates. Those first two models weren’t even that good to be fair, not the worst in the rogue trader line up, but definitely not the most interesting. They definitely didn’t get the shot they deserved.

[@redschafer7804]

@@flyq7470 yes they did it was when they were in the throw shit the wall and see what sticks phase of game lore. thank god it didn't work out. the Bolter Bitches AKA the sisters of battle are a much better representation of women.

[@TrexGrimStud]

what you had was normal female warriors in power armor not female space marines

[@Cunabula_Adrian]

Oh Alex, Space Marines are all Alan and Steve not Adam and Eve or even heaven forbid Anna and Niamh! People will be getting all upset again :) Brilliant video as ever and love the underpainting on the face, that's super clever.

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks Adrian, I liked the underpainting thing. Need to work on it more, how to "translate" layers. But yeah. Like it!

[@beric0bartman]

I always like this discussion because it really shows how different people approach an arbitrary "lore" vs representation subject. I personally don't think Female Space marines would add anything (on the moddeling side, a helmeted marine, regardless of sex would look the exact same and if you wanted to you could do what you did and just swap heads for unhelmeted marines), because to make them stand out they would have to look very feminine, which is probably not something easily explained in lore, even if they say there are new ways to create them i feel like any human would come out looking rather similar at the end of the process of becoming a space marine. It would be cool if there were some more cool female guard characters on front page art/box art and stuff. Anyways, sick diorama, you inspired me to kitbash my next squad of marines with battle sister heads!

[@PrincessHaily]

I have a female space marine chapter, and I can tell you that sourcing heads of the right proportions is actually quite difficult. Proxies are nearly universally made for Sisters, which have **much** smaller heads. You can still pull it off with Sister heads, but it looks really off to me. I would be happy with just having an upgrade sprue they sell separately for my heroes and commanders, honestly.

[@elzordack4589]

Females=Sororitas

[@52Miniatures]

I agree with you, I don’t think they should look different. That is why I chose to use a regular Space Marine. What would be nice is an “opening” in the lore so that we “comfortably” could say “look at my girls blast their way through those orcs”.

[@andred.2823]

@@52Miniatures But why would these girls need to be space marines (which for me, is such a generic and bland faction) when we can say look at my sisters of battle girls, blasting their way through anything, and even stood toe to toe with custodes in the lore. For me, sisters of battle are so much more interesting than the poster boys, and I'm very happy to have them in the 40k world.

[@beric0bartman]

@@PrincessHaily You are right they are a bit smaller, an upgrade sprue or just including some extra options for heroes/commanders would be great yes.

[@Beedji]

There are no female Space Marines because there are no male Sisters of Battle, because there is no chaos eldar because there are no red-skinned ork. There are rules within the setting and those rules both make it believable and interesting. Some of those rules can be stretched (like the increased female represenation within the Guard for instance), but some of those rules are set in stones. One of those rules is that the Emperor was a man, and the Space Marines are his sons, all male. It wasnt and has never been an issue.

[@coreymorse1347]

According to GW staff from the time there are no female space marines because store owners wouldn't buy them and the fluff was written to match the marketing decision.

[@1crlski]

hmm....even GW has said nothing about the cannon is set in stone on multiple occasions, if GW feels they can cash in on female space marines then there will be female space marine, it's just the facts of lifeGW is interested in one thing and one thing only MONEY they could careless about the feeling of their customers as they have proven over the past 30+yrs. Oh and you might want to read the novel Saturnine, as in their they say the SM had a mom, sothey do have some female DNA in them..so much for lore

[@TrexGrimStud]

@@1crlski lmao yes Erda is the primarchs genetic mother . Big E could have made a female primarch back then but he didnt . so wants your point .

[@flannellemur4818]

It’s stated they can’t be female, we have the Adeptus Sororitas for you though

[@flannellemur4818]

@Goblin Mode That would be a lore destroying retcon. Also theyd just get sexualized. GW shouldn’t go woke because they’d lose their entire fan base. Also why are you against Adeptus sororitas?

[@Fythbro]

The subject of female space marines was discussed on The Painting Phase's recent interview with Bob Naismith, sculptor of the first Space Marines, interesting watch. The diorama looks great!

[@52Miniatures]

It was a nice interview, I liked the comfortable setting they managed

[@wuqodlak]

We need female space marines as much as we need male sisters of battle. Everyone should feel free to do their own thing though.

[@animusvids]

Love the paint job, didn't like the message

[@joga_bonito_aro]

They exist already, and are called sisters of battle

[@ONIMOT100]

SoB ain't marines

[@RetoKelsen]

Uhhh i finally need to do this underpainting for the skin too. Just manage to get a brown base for most of my skin. But this green works fantastic. Oh and really a good step to do female Marines. I did the same for my 30k Imperial Fists, giving every helmet-less mini either a votaan-female-head or one of the female stormcasts. Back in the 80s i think, there were blisterpacks with three random marines, from which one were female. But the feedback from the retailers was, that the blister with female marines weren't sold as often and since GW back in the day hadn't the luxury to produce every mini, they simply skipped this one. So technically even from GW side there's no real blocker for Femarines and i really hope that they will do so with 10th edition. I mean it's just a headswap. And also the cadians got enough female heads in the newest kits to do complete female squads. The same for the new marines in 10th edition box set would be great :)

[@LeoniusCastellan]

Awesome vídeo, i converted some female Space Marines here in France and when carry them to play, some dudes says that actually My minies we're cool.

[@Nortic111]

I'm one of those that feel that female Astartes shouldn't be official canon as the lore has already firmly established for so long that only males can become them. To change it now would feel like they're being added just for the sake of it and wouldn't really fit the canon. That being said, I've seen many female marine army conversions/kitbashes that look absolutely superb and I'd love to face them on the tabletop someday! Excellent diorama, Alex!

[@robrobusa]

I feel like that lore is boring and nonsensical, as it is the 41st millenium... everything goes.

[@Sujad]

@@robrobusa Perhaps you should find another setting or create your own one in that case and leave 40K the way it is.

[@JCPRuckus]

@@robrobusa - Quite the opposite... Modern Western nations are proving right now that a society can't survive when "anything goes". Humanity isn't going to make it to the 41st millennium pretending that sex and gender roles are fully fungible. Literally any country that believes that to any great extent is on track to have zero population within the next couple of centuries, much less the next few dozen millennia. "I just like it, and that's all that matters", would have been a better argument than, "It's the 41st millennium". Because then it would be a matter of taste, rather than an actual (failed) attempt at logical justification.

[@Alex_Anti]

@@robrobusa bye bye.

[@robrobusa]

🤷‍♀

[@gabrielalarcon2902]

It would be cool if there where female space marines, I mean, could a regular citizen of the imperium really tell the difference with the armor? An angel of the emperor is an angel of the emperor

[@jamieelvin4329]

Your videos are always thoughtful, artful and from the heart. Please continue to make videos on topics you are passionate about, even if some sections of the audience don't respond well. Much love and respect from a fellow who wants better representation and a more inclusive hobby.

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks Jamie!

[@sashav6847]

Smashing work Alex. You keep it up mate

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you!

[@DanielRSA92]

I'm usually just a lurking watcher, but wanted to drop a comment to say that I loved this video just as much as every other video you post Alex. Keep up the excellent work!

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you Daniel!

[@theturts9626]

Wait I always thought the sisters of battle were genetic counterparts to marines?

[@chibizion]

Sisters of Battle are normal humans, Space Marines are post-humans.

[@theturts9626]

@@chibizion really? Honestly feels like a loss on the empire to not give them super juice, but then again the empire isn’t known for smart decisions

[@chibizion]

@@theturts9626 not making them post-human is one of the things that sets them apart from Astartes. Well that and the hyper-religious dogma.

[@Xatxitor]

Wow. Im surprised by the ratio of like/dislike

[@52Miniatures]

A lot of trolls came out from under their bridges to support each other in “fighting the woke” or some other nonsense

[@rathenn6959]

Nah. We don't.

[@wietsesartsythings969]

Once up on a time GW sold female spacemarines. They got returned by shop owners because the customers didnt want them. Probably because at that time, Spacemarines were still a true parody and thus intentionaly ugly. Anyways, love your mixing of biblical and popculture fantasy! Eve looks awesome.

[@FlacidDonkeyGuy]

At that time they were throwing everything at that wall and seeing what stuck. The lore has firmly been in place since the 3rd edition. The idea is to change everything to show how inclusive you are . Is frankly tired at this point, the fact that they make out cadians to be black. People living in effectively Scandinavia for ten thousand years aren't going to be black. Just like talarn shouldn't be white. And all the regiments now seem to be mixed sex. When that is the rare exception and not the norm again BS.

[@Docktavion]

As far as I’m aware the female “marines” were never counted as space marines but female warriors in power armour = sisters of battle.

[@noahwilson422]

Alex. I love these diorama vids. Thanks so much

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks Noah!

[@LamesJames]

All I can say about this video is 10/10, but what’s new about you nailing a video! Amazing work as always!

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you Das, I really appreciate it.

[@DarkMargenal]

I collect, convert and paint women marines, why? because they look cool, and because hobby is hobby, we greate convert and have fun with it! Wonderful diorama!

[@cavemanbum]

The real reason the Emperor didn't make the Primarchs female was because he knew how you all would behave around 12-foot tall, muscular chicks with daddy issues. 🙄

[@1crlski]

There are 2 missing Primarchs...they could both be female

[@guerrillavanilla]

@@1crlski neither are

[@jackhughes8585]

I agree with what you say earlier in the video about the established world and how they present it in stores being different. I know when I first got into warhammer Space Marines were these glorious holy warriors and good guys, almost how the imperial civilians are meant to see them in lore, rather then as deeply flawed, emotionally stunted and augmented child soilders fighting wars which have lasted longer then their multi century long lifespans. I think its because its slightly more difficult to sell grim dark then power fantasy, with humans against the horrible xeno and chaos mutant, so all the stuff we see in marketing, games and some of the books is almost done as imperial propaganda. Horus Heresy is probably the closest thing which markets itself as a real look at the settings reality outside of the recrutement posters and glos finishes. As for female space marines, I can see why GW has been hestitant, but really I think with the rise of primaris they could have made it so these new types of marine could be female, and its not like you'd see any changes with the models other then some new head options so it certainly wouldn't be the end of the world

[@johnlowkey359]

While we are at it, lets get some Brothers of Battle! ...wait a minute

[@viatka1966]

Ok, to be fair, black templars are basically sisters of battle but marines

[@anungunrama9344]

Yeah I'm sure they would have a place within the SOB or even SOS

[@KrullMaestaren]

Is it not already Battle Brothers in OPR? :)

[@AshleyBlackwater]

Whelst the game started off with a satirical bent, over time its changed and these days its not as much a thing. Some elements of it remain, but thats about it.

[@Jan_Iedema]

I wouldn’t mind female astartes, I just don’t think they would change up the miniatures very much. Since if you were to make it obvious the marine is a woman it would probably start to creep into the wrong kind of intention.

[@Matt-md5yt]

Bingo, booby armor is the common complaint.

[@tychoMX]

@@Matt-md5yt The stormcast seem to have this more or less sorted out. I agree with the general idea that the armoured "finished product" would look more or less the same. Plus the Imperium likes STCs so having a single version of each suit would probably appeal to the artificers.

[@Jan_Iedema]

@@Matt-md5yt I don’t have a problem with boob armor specifically but I do think if they added female space marines and gave them adepta sororitas like breastplates it would take away from the idea from what the marines stand for. And even for the sisters I don’t think it really makes any sense for their armor to look like that besides sex appeal. If I want to sexualise my 40k characters I’ll just go to R34 and then weep for the state of humanity

[@52Miniatures]

Oh I agree there. I was tempted to just stick the helmet on there and “just say” it was female. Because if there was any difference there would be no point. Also why I went for an already existing chapter. In the end that’s the beauty of it. GW would not have to change the models only “make it possible” lore wise.

[@Jan_Iedema]

@@52Miniatures thank the emperor you understood my comment, my English did not want to work with me when I wrote it so the last part of my comment almost turned into gibberish. On a different note, that paint job was really darn clean. It’s a standard I hope to one day reach myself. First things first though and thats some general experience.

[@ScratchBashing]

Are there mail space marines? With like a flattened paper geneseed?!

[@ScratchBashing]

or like a kind of fabric of interwoven links? as a geneseed?

[@DarkMargenal]

@@ScratchBashing We need an imperial stamp of approval for such an idea!

[@52Miniatures]

HERESY 🥷💥

[@umbraelegios4130]

You left out one aspect of the Blue Boy scouts " The Adamantium Stick" up thier ass.

[@vaultatropos116]

Congratutations on your first steps to an Egg Cracking. I look forward to your future metamorphosis.

[@52Miniatures]

I’m not sure I got this one… but thanks?

[@samcurran1093]

Nice video. I'll take anything that will help my wife and daughter find representation in the Warhammer world, and *maybe, hopefully, please please please* start to paint minis with me one day.

[@landotucker]

I'm OK with sisters of battle being all female because of a lore reason. 🤷‍♂️

[@nuke2099]

"Absolutely not!"-Karl Franz. What they should do is give more to the SoB and Sisters of Silence, Imperial Guard+navy which are already known for females existing in them. As for hobbying and converting models its whatever.

[@mrgigglesworth75]

They made sisters of battle for a reason. also its theorised lore wise a female space marine would look like a male space marine if they could survive the process due to the fact space marines are actually really miss shapen compared to a standard base line human. In-fact space marines are closer in shape to a gorilla than a human due to the horrific muscle and bone growth processes.

[@SebastienlovesCookieswirlc]

So this is supposed to be a female head? Very well painted, though.

[@_ClericalError_]

There's a long-running joke that Games Workshop is incapable of modeling females particularly well, female faces especially. They should really bring in new sculptors that can actually do the job.

[@raspberrymilkshake5782]

I've always preferred old 40k because it's a lot more silly, more judge dredd wink to the camera "we know this is dumb", but you compare the new codex's and rule books with their flash space marines striking slick poses to the 90s ones filled with stupid over the top gorgeous John Blanche art and indiscernible grimdark prose that sounds like it was written by a 12 year old and it's clear somethings changed, GW forgot they were meant to be doing a bit. (also worth noting that even Tolkien later on in his career regretted some decisions in the mythos, worth looking up his thoughts on orcs)

[@ExecratedPlaysGaming]

Nothing is stopping you from creating female Space Marines. Games Workshop, however, shouldn't radically change their setting to suit someone's politics, however. Why are there no female Space Marines? For the same reason there are no male Sisters of Battle. The setting is enriched by having unique and interesting factions to play as and would be harmed if the T'au, the Eldar and the Squats were all just generic humans in different armor colors.

[@hll705]

Except that the lore explicitly rules it out. Just change that lore. You don’t need to change anything else. Cawl figured it out, primaris takes all comers. Done. Now go make your all boys, all girls, or both chapter without GW explicitly telling you that you can’t.

[@ExecratedPlaysGaming]

@@hll705 The lore exists to tell a story. "Just change it" defeats the purpose of the lore. No one is stopping you from making female Space Marines now, so what will changing the lore accomplish? It does nothing but inject politics into the setting.

[@raeishimura]

I'll be honest. I'm almost tired of Space Marines getting all of the attention. They have gotten more releases than any other faction, they get all kinds of buffs and improvements to constantly push them to the upper levels of the tier lists in terms of gameplay, like come on, enough. I also think that adding female space marines would take away from the raw badassery that is the Adeptas Sororitas. Seriously, every one is so focused on making female space marines that they completely forget about the Sisters of Battle and how completely epic this all-women military force is. These women walk out onto the battleground in full power armor, bolters roaring just like any space marine.... but with NO augmentation. Think of how badass that is? They fight as hard, as skillfully and are just as dangerous and capable as space marines, but they also don't need all of those fancy augmentations to do it. They are badass enough to just put on the armor, grab the bolter and kill anything in their way, and in the stories where the Sisters and Marines interact, it's always shown that the Space Marines seem to see the Sisters as their peers. Even chapters that normally look at the common soldiers of the guard as beneath them hold the Sisters of Battle up as their equals. Not to mention they have some of the coolest freaking vehicles in the imperium too. I mean, a tank with a giant pipe organ on it that launches explosives from every pipe just by playing the organ? Come on. You cannot tell me that isn't freaking amazing. Adding female space marines just seems to me like it discards that level of pure epicness. It's far more impressive that the Sisters go into battle and fight with the same ferocity and iron will as Marines, but they can say "look at us. We can do the same thing you can but we don't need a bunch of extra guts jammed in us to do it." I hate how the Sisters of Battle seem to get the shaft in the 40k community so everyone can focus on the Space Marines. They are an awesome faction. I play a lot of skirmish games rather than full army games, and my favorite faction for them is my Sisters of Battle for a custom Order i made called the Order of the Cerulean Rose. We don't need female space marines, we NEED to give the Sisters of Battle their due! I hope to see you paint some of these epic ladies of war in the future. They always seem so neglected, and i feel like these calls for female Space Marines would just see the Sisters cast aside by the community more than they already are. Show us Sisters players some love too! (edit because i can't spell for the life of me, lol)

[@oscarandreas1431]

I agree better to improve somthing we have rather to change somthing

[@Krassy10]

@@oscarandreas1431 Why not both? Scared of a little girl liking your toy soldiers too?

[@raeishimura]

@@Krassy10 Why not have a little decency when addressing people rather than throwing around mocking insults? Who gives a flying crap if a little girl likes them? My point is the effect it has on the community, smart guy. Right now, people put all of the focus and attention on the Space Marines. The Sisters get utterly screwed. They were still using the old metal models over 2 DECADES, long after every other faction had gone to full plastic for crying out loud! They were using Metal models from 1997-2019! Do you really, honestly think that if GW gives the poster boys even MORE additional stuff that anyone is going to bother with the Sisters besides their die hard fans? Space Marines are the face of the game. That "little girl" sees THEM first. And when she wants an army of girls and is too new to do converting miniatures yet, she'll have it right there and won't even need to look at the Sisters. Currently in the same situation, she'd go look at the Sisters, who desperately need some love from this community. That's how marketing is. Adding female Space Marines isn't about keeping it some boys club. It's about potentially destroying the army that is a girl's club completely. It's like when the Boy Scouts started accepting girls, the numbers of Girl Scouts began to decline. The Sisters already lack players. Adding Female Space Marines will just hurt the Sisters even more.

[@Krassy10]

@@raeishimura All I hear is a little incel afraid of little girls, yada yada yada.

[@1crlski]

As a long time sisters player, Yes they need love and to get rid of those silly walkers, they just don't fit the sisters lore. But I hate to say it if you want the most bad ass females in the imperium, it is hands down the sisters of silence, they are few in numbers have the zeal of the SOB, make everyone around them cringe, just as capable in battle as the SOB with out all the toys and they need the love a lot more then the SOB as they have nothing but a rhino

[@chrishenson3169]

There are female Space Marines, they are called the Sisters of Battle or Adepta Sororitas.

[@Convincing_Reality]

People are entirely entitled to their own headcanon and are of course free to build and paint their miniatures as they see fit, but please don't seriously make an assertion that there is anything equivocal to a need for "Female Space Marines". If the crux of the argument boils down to some appeal to the conflation of representation and symbolism, then any assertion that there's a void to be filled in the first place can only ever be proposed if the Sisters of Battle are intentionally disregarded as a long standing part of the lore. Space Marines are a combination of Warrior Monks and Child Soldiers, while Sisters of Battle are a combination of Warrior Nuns and Joan of Arc. As much as anyone would honestly want it, there is a sense of representative balance in that. (edit: spelling)

[@Convincing_Reality]

That all being said, I most definitely do rather like your diorama Alex. It's always interesting to see how you weave a narrative into such a small space.

[@Huckleberry_Sid]

I mean, there are literally people out there who are asking for female space marines, so there's clearly a need and demand for them out there. Also, you miss the point being made about how marines are the literal face of the game. The first thing almost anyone who encounters the hobby for their first time is going to be is a space marine, and most of those folks aren't going to know about the lore or other factions within the setting. Having both the representation and symbolism that a female space marine would bring to that first moment encountering the game could and would bring in those who otherwise might be turned off of the glorious game and hobby experience that is Warhammer.

[@Convincing_Reality]

@@Huckleberry_SidI appreciate your taking the time to comment and my response is as follows: Firstly, people asking for or indeed demanding something is not evidence of any type of need. Otherwise if someone were to ask or demand that you give them half of your earnings for the next five months, you'd have to first accept they have an objective need for it before you delve into any other considerations. In actuality both of these scenarios are examples of wants and not needs. Further to which, people expressing an opinion of what they want does not imbue it with more validity than anyone else's opinion. Secondly, in terms of representation and symbolism, the fact that Space Marines are all too often made the sole face of the game is in and of itself the issue, not that they are canonically an all-Male faction. If Space Marines are to remain a focal point for 40k's advertisement, then the appropriate course of action is for the already canonically all-Female faction of the Sisters of Battle to be promoted in equal measure to them. I was hopeful that this would still currently be the case given what we were all shown when 9th edition was announced. By which I'm referring to the cinematic trailer featuring first the mixed-sex Imperial Guards, followed by the all-Female Sisters of Battle, who were then joined by the all-Male Space Marines. If GW had better maintained a balance of those factions in the limelight (which they showed they're more than capable of with the trailer) then things would organically and canonically be much more representative.

[@Huckleberry_Sid]

​@@Convincing_Reality Okay, so you're going to play literalist with the word 'need' here and engage in an appeal to definition? And then engage in a strawman argument? First, we're talking about little plastic toys that are part of a luxury hobby. Of course there's no literal objective need for female space marines, just as there isn't a need for space marines or the rest of the game. The "need" in this sense is something born of people's desire to see something that they both greatly desire and feel is very important. And I see we're going to follow up with a good ol' shifting of the goal posts. Come now, we both know that the actual issue being discussed here isn't that Space Marines are the sole face of the game. While there is certainly merit to the argument that is an issue, that isn't the issue actually being discussed here. And really, Sisters of Battle aren't Space Marines. You even point that out yourself; they've got different themes going for them. There are people out there who want to make and play female Space Marines. Having Games Workshop make them an actual thing by simply including heads for women in the boxes would give people the option to do so. It would also normalize it within the game space, and people who decide to do such wouldn't face as much of a backlash. So keep rocking on with those logical fallacies. Thankfully... no one needs your permission to keep advocating that Games Workshop make the game and hobby space around 40k just that much more inclusive by asking to meet our need for lady Space Marines.