What Do We Do if They Are Here? with Avi Loeb

If UFO and UAP are of Alien origin, what do we do about it? Do we try to communicate? Or passively observe? Avi Loeb details the Galileo Projects plans.
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[@EventHorizonShow]

What would you do if we discover Alien technology here on Earth?

[@ugiswrong]

Add it to the list of politics and religion of what not to discuss with most others

[@ghulammustafa2790]

Then we will move on a next generation 2or may be 3 I guess

[@ryanb9749]

If the 2014 meteor is an alloy or a superheavy element in the island of stability, we should recreate it in our labs and find uses for it. It would propel our material science forward by decades or centuries. My only concern is that if it is artificial, what if it is not magnetic...

[@stoneylonesome4062]

Reverse engineer it and put it in the new Chrysler Le Baron cabriolet.

[@Nickadermia]

Maybe change my entire career and try to study it?

[@FUBBA]

If they are here we must tell them to tune in to this channel.

[@leofonseca8144]

It would be akin to joining children watching children's cartoons.

[@FuriousImp]

@@leofonseca8144 Definitely. But... there are people that do such for a living and enjoy it to boot.

[@snaggiz]

Makes me wonder if aliens have their own JMG equivalent? Now that’s a crossover episode I’d love to listen in on!

[@johnhickey6114]

We already are tuned in, now take me to your Leader.

[@Rock_Wilson]

I like to think they all hive mind listen in and have a little alien podcast "watch party"

[@Antilenin111]

I stay awake on Thursdays just to fall asleep listening to EH, and then re-listen during the weekend. Loving the Avi Loeb ones!

[@damianp7313]

Awhe man his voice always keeps the Gf up though ...

[@asdasd97413]

you are stoner 100 % hahaha

[@10000words1]

Wow, this is the ultimate high risk, high reward experiment. Love it! Thanks so much, JMG, for covering this in such detail

[@brendosapien]

The only risk I see is to reputation if they don't find anything, but if the data we have from go fast, nimitz and others is to be believed, they should be able to find something. Seems like a pretty low cost way to just check and see if there's anything there

[@stringbean1511]

@John Mann for sure.. no matter what, life is still worth preserving

[@robertpetty4427]

What I find incredible is the people who see these objects and STILL can't or won't open their minds to the possibility that there might be VISITORS here among us..

[@LaikaLycanthrope]

@John Mann Yes, that would be the point of view of, say, a remote wolf pack that only occasionally sees human constructs go by. Until the attack helicopters come, because some human decided it didn't want wolves there.

[@ApacheMagic]

@John Mann that doesn’t actually make logical sense. We don’t know what their relationship to time is. I could imagine a turkey saying the same on a turkey farm, just because it’s never experienced thanksgiving before. Also if they are alien, that means that if they have to travel to get here it would take a long time. What we have now could be the equivalent of our rovers on Mars. The generation ships could be on their way for all we know.

[@Kenny-zv4pp]

I am completely enthralled with the topic selection of this channel. It just seems that you guys know exactly what is compelling and attractive to my ways of thinking about the cosmos and the effects of reality on our concept of life.

[@FuriousImp]

Ditto!

[@williamscharnikow6587]

Ong

[@MichaelRobinson-wu9ob]

Totally agree!

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

We have theos logos 2500 years of written history on the subject and commentary with predictions but they didn't speak of it in this corrotee etymology

[@Driberton]

We’ve been watching you for years Kenny…..keep it up

[@derrymic]

The film Arrival is, in my opinion, one of the most interesting and plausible possible alien contact scenarios.

[@Anon-xd3cf]

yes and no... that movie tried too hard to involve the humans and their human lives. But the concept for their language and tech level was really well thought through.

[@dextermorgan1]

Close Encounters of the Third Kind is actually based on a real event. Those of us in the UFO community have known this for years. I don't expect people who don't keep up with this subject to know, but now you do!

[@MadderMel]

This is all incredibly exciting ! Well done to Avi for his foresight and his bravery to take this on ! And if people say that he's trying to make a name for himself , well , good for him !!

[@MadderMel]

And even if it's proven once and for all that the UAP thing is all a load of nonsense , well , that's useful too !

[@JedBullet]

He's amazing professor, and trying to push the boundaries that science should

[@ironborn8786]

Avi loeb make a name for himself??? Do you even know him?🤣🤣

[@snowballeffect7812]

@@JedBullet He's attention-seeking. His conjectures are literally preposterous and the only reason he got published was likely because of his tenureship at Harvard.

[@PaulOSullivan]

Professor Loeb is a national treasure. Thank you so much JMG!

[@ApacheMagic]

International treasure you mean

[@cuzimaluzer777]

He's one of the few that approaches science and discussion with a sense of wonder.

[@dovbarleib3256]

Israel gave Avi to America as a longterm loan.

[@joenewton210]

They’re definitely here from my point of view, haven’t met anyone for months that qualifies as human.

[@MadderMel]

No intelligent life in Fishponds Bristol England

[@Synathidy]

Take me to your leader... of some semblance of intelligence.

[@IndupitabLee]

gotta hand it to Loeb, I must admit I find many of his ideas dubious but he stay asking the right questions

[@stevencoardvenice]

Yes. Exactly. Scientists need to keep an open mind, or they're not doing their job, and not using our tax dollars appropriately

[@Roguescienceguy]

On that I can agree. He is a bit out there but atleast he asks his questions based on true science. Not a wild fan but I am not blatantly objecting his views and ideas either.

[@IndupitabLee]

@@Roguescienceguy took the words out of my mouth

[@stevencoardvenice]

@@Roguescienceguy exactly. You're objective

[@ik1408]

You are correct. His ideas are dubious.

[@stuart207]

Avi is such a deep thinker I always enjoy listening to him.

[@SphynxsShadow]

Yes so deep he thinks he's going to find a meteorite in the ocean that landed 8 years ago when humans can't find plenty of missing flights. Like the malaysian one. There's a reason his colleagues are dragging him through the mud at the moment and it's not because he's a deep thinker or onto something big.

[@jw6520]

@@SphynxsShadow afaik the search area is *much* smaller compared to your missing flights, so thats a nil argument

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

@@SphynxsShadow Except it's already been done. in 2018 the USGS used a similar methodology to recover meteorite fragments from the Olympic Coast National Marine Sanctuary. That actually had a lesser chance of yielding anything being 16 miles off coast, but yet they got two fragments. In Loeb's case, the search area is similarly confined because the US government's data is extremely precise. It's nothing close to the same thing as searching for a missing aircraft that can literally be anywhere in the Indian Ocean, I've seen that all over twitter today and it needs to be debunked. The two are not comparable in any way. Rather it's more like dragging a magnetic rake back and forth over a meteorite strewn field. That's done all the time, and can even be done in water as the USGS successfully showed. He's being dragged through the mud because that's how people get on twitter, even scientists. It turns into a high school lunchroom. They just talk without verifying if what Loeb suggests has been successfully done before. It would have taken all of 40 seconds of google searching to see that it has. Fact is, it's been done. Period. I doubt anyone on twitter parroting that initial tweet will issue any retractions though.

[@stevencoardvenice]

@@SphynxsShadow avi is not afraid to look like a kook. That's why he's great. All scientists should be like that

[@stuart207]

@@JohnMichaelGodier 👏

[@MyChannel-vm6dw]

Avi is BY FAR your best guest. Ask him if he would do a Question and Answer episode where John asks in advance us to submit questions and John and his team picks the most interesting ones to get Avi's take on things. I'll start, can Avi come up with a scenario where a detected signal has a VERY high possibility of being intelligent alien BUT doesn't repeat. What would he do?

[@Bobfermasan]

Suddenly Avi Loeb be getting chick n bitches and winks at work.

[@kevinfitzgerald4561]

What an incredible interviewee. So well informed and guided by science and logical thought 👏👏

[@MadderMel]

In my view , if they are going to look for UAPs , they will almost certainly find them , I'm pleased that Avi is taking them seriously !

[@dextermorgan1]

They're not "UAP's". That's the Governments term, meant to change the narrative, and make you think they're a threat. They're UFO's. Just like they have been for the last 100 years

[@cropunisher5879]

Your interviews with Avi Loeb are the best

[@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051]

JMGs voice is probably the only thing that brings so much comfort while also speaking on pretty serious matters.. kinda like misery with a hug 😂

[@epolanowskirn]

I can envision them being here before us, at least visiting here before us. I lean towards Jacques Vallee and Eric Davis; they are in control. We only *think* we are

[@frogisis]

For my entire adult life I dismissed the notion as a combination of mass hysteria, misidentification, hallucination, suggestion, hoaxes, and confabulation, but endless _a priori_ rejection isn't healthy skepticism, it's denialism. Now that the military is being forced to take it so seriously on just the purely practical grounds of not wanting jets to smack into a goddamn flying saucer, to the point that they created dedicated paperwork for reporting them with checkboxes for all kinds of Clarke's Third Law shenanigans, maybe I have to admit I was wrong on that one...

[@dextermorgan1]

There's no maybe about it. The amount of evidence you have to ignore, or flat out dismiss, in order to say UFO's don't exist, is pretty amazing. I'll tell you something else that will blow your closed little mind. Bigfoot is real too. We probably live in one of multiple realities. Most things you THINK you know, are wrong. This is a good example.

[@MultiBikerboy1]

It’s OK to be wrong. In fact your admission of that fact is very mature (without wanting to sound patronising). The intelligence services have done an incredible job keeping this all under wraps for decades. Disinformation mixed with out an out liars, have covered up the greatest revelation in humanity’s history from the inhabitants of this planet. Me? Well I had the fortune/misfortune to see a saucer come right overhead one evening in the 70’s so I’ve had to live with this enigma for decades. It’s a poison chalice, don’t envy me. You’re treated as if you’re slightly mentally deficient. I’m now in my mid 60’s and I want to see the truth out before I pass. Wish SETI had your courage.

[@DavidS-yq1dv]

One of the best comments I’ve seen, ability to admit you were previously incorrect now that there is new evidence is commendable. Respect brother we need more people to be open minded and objective 😁

[@MultiBikerboy1]

@@DavidS-yq1dv indeed👍🏻

[@scottgraham4038]

I was the exact same way.

[@robertamaral2349]

We don’t have to look to the sky because we’ve barely explored our oceans. I have a feeling they’ve been with us here since the beginning. It’s their planet and we live here together. Just my humble opinion. Also we see them entering and leaving our oceans like in the Nimitz encounter. I also think we may have already developed antigravity technology and we’re seeing our own military craft. I really appreciate you Avi!

[@luminousfractal420]

There was an interesting one about two years ago in wales. Police helicopter picked up a floating orb on the camera. Only showed in the infrared and looked like a big plasma ball, it was invisible in all other spectrums. Just sat there hovering in the sky. Should be on the walesonline website still. Some say ehat theyre seeing is projections. But ive got thoughts about them using spooky action to overide the physics we know. If you could somehow amplify the effects. Move a marble and throw a planet around, that kinda thing. Or maybe powering a tiny craft using a power source the size of a mountain. Maybe thats why theres no aliens 🤣 flung themselves. ---O Old guy showed me a couple of books once, military inventions documented. One german one usa. Ww2 the germans had tanks that could hit a bunker and fly 70ft into the air (no test survivors), but the usa...usa had drones. What looked like shipping mines with long antennae sticking out all over. They were autonomous, jet powered and could float about detecting and destroying tanks in the desert. ...ww2 😶 He gave us a nod like "yup" and that was that. We were about 16 and it was the 90's. Was something he felt he needed to show us. So thank you don :) good man. So yeah if they advanced that technology. The form factor certainly fits.

[@thelonious-dx9vi]

I'm always confused when religionists suggest that their faith gives them humility. They believe that they themselves are immortal, supernatural beings. To me that seems more like hubris than humility.

[@kamillugha893]

Today presumably in our history too a known world leader for example had the urge to tell the rest of the world how beautiful his country women are and that is how he gets his strength as a leader presumably hence the phrase, "It's good to be king". A ruse to get them loyal as in to get them sacrificed as lambs to his afterlife and achieve Godly statis as in the human ancient golden days . Gangis Khan, Julius Ceaser, Pharoahs, etc and so on achieved Godly statis by having loyal servants/ servants follow him along to his death or passing. Presumably..🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@alan8887]

I listen to these wonderful discussions with enthralled enthusiasm. I have been blessed. I experienced a U.F.O. up close and personal. They are already here.

[@delskioffskinov]

I've been watching a lot of Avi over the past year and he seems to be a bit more open than normal here in your video John! He's a fascinating man and if anyone is going to find something out there he's the man to do it! I would love disclosure to happen thru his gallileo project!

[@L8Pl]

Yo John you get a lot of awesome guests like this on your show. An interview with Brian Cox would be the collab of the century

[@EventHorizonShow]

We are working on it.

[@L8Pl]

@@EventHorizonShow :O

[@stevencoardvenice]

Human universe audio book is awesome. Some of it is right up there with Sagan

[@connorlindsay5528]

Brian Cox is an excellent white Neil degrasse

[@stevencoardvenice]

@@connorlindsay5528 a great caucasoid

[@quantumac]

If Roswell or some other incident really was a covered up crash of an extraterrestrial spacecraft, and those "in the know" haven't at least tried to contact these ETs and ask why are they here and what do they want, then we have very strange and ignorant security agencies. It seems the next logical step would be some form of contact and understanding. Perhaps this has already happened and those "in the know" are in routine contact.

[@johnjonz2472]

Man , this channel should have multiple millions of subscribers. It's that good.

[@nicholasfullerton238]

Two of my favorite people ❤️

[@chromabotia]

Always great when Dr. Loeb is in the house! Thx...

[@paladinfx3083]

It's always an excellent discussion when Avi Loeb is the guest! Looking forward to him coming back! :)

[@aquamarine9568]

I always look forward to EH. Thanks JMG. I find Dr. Loeb’s work fascinating and he is so good at explaining what he is doing.

[@jonkirk2118]

What an amazing interview! Such a fascinating topic. Many thanks.

[@cliffhoelzer6895]

Good for Avi!! The investigation of phenomenon by a truly intelligent observer is a great thing!!

[@chrisd6736]

Awesome interview. Avi Loeb is such a great guest.

[@prdude1234]

Ah, Avi Loeb and John Michael Godier, name a more iconic duo. I'll wait.

[@MadderMel]

Roadrunner and Wile Coyote !

[@stricknine6130]

Another fantastic interview! Thanks for the episode.

[@Bitchslapper316]

Thanks JMG and friends for the content. With the Artemis mission on the horizon it would be great to hear Dr. Jim Green, former NASA chief scientist on the details of the mission. There was an interesting side mission I heard about on the NASA channel but it didn't go into much detail. One of the 5 satellites being launched with the Orion is a satellite designed to track and intercept near earth asteroids/comets. Something that may have been useful when Oumuamua passed by. In any case it would be interesting to hear some of the lesser known details about the project.

[@amciuam157]

Communicate, at all cost try to communicate and make sure we establish a conversation. Then focus on being understood properly.

[@mmaximk]

Second time listening to this conversation. Many thanks John and Avi.

[@echonomix_]

I love your interviews with Avi Loeb. I feel like he's one of the few academics that willingly accepts the risk of being called "crazy" in pursuit of proof - where everyone else refuses to look, he steams ahead and gives the subject the respect and attention it needs. My only wish is that I could help him in his mission somehow. I feel that knowing, for sure, whether or not we are alone is one of the most important things we could possibly pursue in the sciences.

[@user-tf2wd1eh3g]

It's not his crazy pursuits that are the problem, it's the method in which he goes about it. He's become more psuedo than actual science.

[@echonomix_]

@@user-tf2wd1eh3g Avi Loeb clearly demonstrates with concrete data that ʻOumuamua behaves in a totally unexpected manner that does not align with any other observations we've made in the past. The evidence for technology on planet Earth that we cannot identify, and that appears to behave in ways we cannot reconcile, is irrefutable. Feel free to provide an explanation for either of these two topics (which Avi Loeb is beyond qualified to make definite comments upon, if you'd like to share your extensive credentials please do so) and I'll listen.

[@jonathansimerly5550]

@J The guy is literally using the scientific method to figure it all out... He says in the video that he loves science fiction, but not a marriage of the 2 because it normally violates the laws of physics. He's an actual scientist... He's authored over 700 scientific papers... You tossed out an offhand KZbin comment...

[@user-tf2wd1eh3g]

@@echonomix_ all you need to know about oumuamua is out there. And yes when it first showed up we were confused, but for a scientist to go on a media tour, to sell his book, and talk about it being alien is disgraceful. He know how the game is played, he understands how long it can take to gather data and study something, but no, he had to sell books, and alien is more interesting than rock. Not to mention the odds. What's more likely, a rock behaving unfamiliar or an alien craft? We know there are a lot of rocks out there, not so much for alien tech. I'm all for looking for shit, but leave speculation out of it until you have something real to show, Repeatedly saying maybe, possibly, could be, it's all just empty words that mean nothing.

[@stevencoardvenice]

@@user-tf2wd1eh3g Even though his papers and reasoning on oumoumua may have been flawed and fanciful (I watched david Kipping's response on the coolworld's channel), he's right about two things: 1) The scientific community STILL does *NOT* know what it was. Therefore Loeb is free to speculate that it was artificial, even if this is low probability. 2) some of the scientific community's reaction to his idea, and to seti in general, is totally inappropriate and unscientific. They get all emotional and mad. That's bizarre. And it's not good for science.

[@rudyrobles8294]

I know what I''ll be doing: rolling a massive dube of ghost train haze, popping on some early Simpsons episodes, and ordering a medium combination pizza from Antonio's.

[@spockers]

A medium??? Dude, that situation calls for an XL. Paradigm shifts are calorie intensive.

[@rudyrobles8294]

@@spockers Get some exercise

[@lifted1785]

Dr Loeb is a straight OG

[@bivens3ify]

When we do find extra terrestrial life, Avi loeb and John Michael Godier are our best avenue to help us appreciate what has happened. And then humanity can restart.

[@rogerwehbe182]

I love this

[@teodorosanto9781]

This podcast is special in the way that the information that is relayed by the the host and the co-host is so informatively entertaining with thought of reality to give it the want to listen to syndrome... I will definitely keep on listening

[@alfredsutton4412]

Thank you JMG and Avi Loeb. Another amazing interview.

[@karenmann4825]

How wonderful it would be if more academia would allow themselves to think on the level of Avi Loeb.

[@Evolutiontweaked]

I can't believe there is no protocol set up to handle a possible ufo encounter. We run the risk of fighter pilots shooting them down. We need to choose a linguistic like Noam Chomsky to be in charge of communication. What if Oumuamua liked what it saw when it passed us and will eventually come back with its posse...?

[@Evolutiontweaked]

Btw, what a missed opportunity not to have bud a space craft to chase it. We need something ready to go. Humans need to wake up!

[@SuperExponential]

“Panic is the sudden realization that everything around you is alive.” ― William S. Burroughs, Ghost of Chance

[@ApertureAce]

Very good interview. One complaint of mine with Dr. Loeb was the comment he made on seeking intelligence out in space because it's very rare on Earth. I must admit that I'm a bit of a radically optimistic humanist. I believe that the average human can be brilliant, if given the resources to succeed (to include proper resource for development of the human brain). Maybe I give humans more credit than we deserve, but I'm under the impression that we can do just about anything we can put our minds to, if only we would learn to cooperate more.

[@a3ephony654]

Asking if ‘they’ are here already, is like asking wether the sky is blue or not. The evidence is an embarrassment of riches at this point. Avi knows this ofcourse, as does JMG. They are simply treading carefully as to not venture outside the ‘mainstream’. I appreciate these questions regardless. There was a time that simply asking such a question would be career ending. People are slowly waking up.

[@mathewbeats2658]

What are they? Aliens? Why?

[@a3ephony654]

@@mathewbeats2658 if you’re still sat on the fence about wether ‘they’ are here or not, regardless of who or what they are, you have a lot of catching up to do. Do some research with a critical process but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. There’s so much truth out there, told by highly credible people (pilots, astronauts, former presidents and governors, every day people) it’s impossible to ignore. Infact, it’s literally impossible to deny unless you’re new to the subject and put off by all the bulsh*t, or completely ignorant of the topic altogether. When you come to the conclusion without any doubt whatsoever that ‘they’ are here, you move on to the other question’s that naturally come afterwards. The important questions. Pondering what these UFOs are while excluding the possibility of them being from somewhere other than earth is pointless at this point. These things have been here all along. Since before human history was being recorded. The phenomenon is present even in the oldest cave art, in paintings through the middle ages and into the renaissance and right the way up to the present day. The important question is ‘why’ not ‘what’. The ‘what’ question has already been answered as far as I and countless others are concerned. I don’t need a world government to tell me their ‘truth’. I’ve done enough critical research to fill a room ten times over, over a 25 year period. You can go on the UK.gov website this very instant and download terrabites of files, released by the MOD over ten years ago now. A picture emerges. An absolutely mind boggling picture. Life changing perspective on everything. It literally opens your mind and makes you a better human being in all aspects of your life. And the scariest part, a lot of these UFO abduction ‘crazy folk’, who pass multiple lie detector tests, have multiple eye witnesses to corroborate the event and have incredible stories to tell, may not be so crazy after all. . . Swallow that with your tea and toast every morning and you’ll soon have a deeper perspective on your whole life, and life itself. Research the topic for yourself. Thoroughly. With a critical approach to filter out the nonsense. The truth is there in plain sight. All you have to do is seek it out. The recent disclosure by the USA is a slow flake on top of the iceberg. The UK, France, Belgium and many other nations acknowledged this reality years ago and released a truck load of documents to boot. Not that it was needed, but most people looking at this subject these days are doing it with virgin eyes since the USA joined the fray. They are late to the party and give nothing in terms of information. Do some proper research. You won’t regret it. It’s the most incredible truth that was ever denied. CNN ain’t informing nobody.

[@ocatled3000]

Inner Earth Peeps

[@jmanj3917]

Around 3:30-4:30, That's definitely a possibility. Sadly, though, history has shown that even in such circumstances we (humans) simply end up jockeying for position as the preferred "race" to, or point of contact for, the more advanced civilization. (I put "race" in quotation marks because of the long held misconception that there are more than one species or races of humans.) So, when confronted with something as life changing as a more advanced civilization, our instincts for self-preservation kick in, and we say and do anything, whatever it takes, in order to keep alive ourselves, our families, and then whoever is the next level of relationship for an individual, be that based on color, religion, geography, or, especially these days, political affiliation. We still make decisions based upon our animalistic responses to potential threats, which usually means "fear" in the face of the unknown. Right behind fear is greed (the topic of how and when "Greed is good" is beyond the scope of this comment. Suffice to say that we need certain things in order to live, and resources are often limited by location, which leads to imbalances of power.) After fear of the unknown, and greed for what we need, we have a laundry list of other, negative responses such as hate, jealousy, revenge, etc. So, unless and until we learn, as a global civilization, how to avoid acting on these unfortunate yet very real physical (biochemical) reactions inside our dome pieces, I think the future is, sadly, going to be more of the same. Maybe we Do need some of Aldous Huxley's pills (A Brave New World) to placate the masses...lol 😔

[@pythonxz]

You didn't take your soma, did you?

[@AnthonyGiallourakis]

My two favorite "what if aliens" people, Avi and John Michael. Oh boy!

[@mccoybyz1099]

Black night satellite possibly a alien 3D printer of UAPs!?!? I like it! And I just want to say this channel is like medicine for my mind and soul, it's the best channel when it comes to this genre hands down!

[@TheDominionOfElites]

Avi strikes me as a real scientist. Galileo himself used his head over listening to the opinions of others or common sense of his day.

[@Codysdab]

Scientific consensus IMHO is anti science, those who risk their standing and break the boundaries are those who lead in the progress of our understanding of the universe.

[@ik1408]

Wrong comparison. Loeb does not risk anything and he has already made millions of dollars on grants and book royalties paid for his speculations on the topic of UFOs. Big and fat checks on his name - that's financial security, not risk.

[@Codysdab]

@@ik1408 risk is different to reward. The risk is whether you get a reward or not. Whatever you do, never go into business for yourself as I don't think you understand risk.

[@ik1408]

@@Codysdab Again, Loeb did not risk anything. He wished to change his career when he started a public hype about Oumuamua. The only risk he took was to reject a scientific approach to the studies of unknown phenomena. Whatever you do, do not invite yourself to be my mentor. I do not need mentors who create idols for themselves.

[@Codysdab]

@@ik1408 he's not my idol, you even said he took a risk, and it paid off. You've an issue with the rewards he got, not that he took a risk. If it hadn't paid off his reputation and fortune could have been destroyed. Really, do not go into business, you're safer working for someone who understands what risk actually is.

[@7heHorror]

Human conflict will make as much sense in the presence of aliens, as it does in their absence...

[@SG-tx1fz]

Yeah unfortunately conflict is not rational and is just part of the human experience.

[@darrencantrill]

​@@SG-tx1fz The biggest driver in leaps forward in technology is conflict. We are childlike and aggressive but only because we elect, allow those with ulterior motives to lead. It is their wars their conflicts that define us as a species. Sadly the majority would live in harmony but a certain few use our mandate to make huge amounts of money for themselves. Then turn us on each other. They will attempt to use contact in the same way. They will do the same with Sentient AI. A world ravaged by the demands of an ever increasing population which has doubled in my 50 years 😳 We are 100 years in to flight and yet we have sent tech interstellar a magnificent achievement.We have been a species for what 250,000 years the industrial age is what? 300 years old.if we survive the next 300 years we will be out among the stars but we need to cut the demands on our home. That will only happen one way de population!!!!!! In 50 years be 10 to 15 billion we are already at he precipice an extinction level event looms. I wonder how many times this scenario has played out across the universe???? Billions of times.i wonder how many times on this planet 🤔

[@mosaicmind88]

My favorite episodes are Avi episodes.

[@royjones4144]

Can't wait to watch this! But I'm saving it until I'm tucked in bed! Early night I think.

[@meepbeep1]

Great discussion. Perhaps dedicate more to the possibility of biological occupants next time (not just probes). Time dilation could make even intergalactic travel times feasible for life.

[@stevencoardvenice]

If you take a journey to a planet that is 4 light years away, you will still age 4 years during the journey, even if you travel at 99 percent the speed of light. Time dilation does not extend the lifespan of interstellar trailers. It would take 100,000 years to cross the entire milky way at the speed of light

[@philw3039]

@@stevencoardvenice Time dilation does affect aging. If you travelled 4 light years at 99% light speed, for you only a little over half a year would have passed. For everyone on Earth 4 years would've passed. From the perspective of the person travelling at relativistic speed, time seems to pass normally, but time is passing much slower for them from the perspective of stationary objects due to time dilation. You're correct that 99% light speed still wouldn't allow someone to travel intergalactic distances within a single human lifetime. Travelling 100,000 light years across the Milky Way would still take over 14000 years from perspective of someone travelling at 99% the speed of light. However, the slowing of time as you get closer to light speed is asymptotic. At 99.99999...% of light speed a traveler could cross intergalactic distances within a lifetime.

[@stevencoardvenice]

@@philw3039 this is fascinating. So you're saying that if I depart for proxima centauri tomorrow, at the speed of light, I will arrive at proxima B in 6 months??? From my perspective??? Even though its 4 light years away?? Are you sure???

[@philw3039]

@@stevencoardvenice As strange as it sounds, yes. This is how it works. Though that Proxima Centauri scenario doesn't take into account acceleration and deceleration. It assumes you travel at 99% light speed the whole way. If you were to actually go the full speed of light, no time at all would pass for you, but it's impossible for anything with mass to travel the full speed of light. Furthermore, time dilation doesn't just happen at near-light speeds. Moving at _any_ speed causes time dilation albeit on a negligible scale at the speeds we experience on Earth. Time moves a tiny bit slower for astronauts orbiting Earth in the space station. This has been measured multiple times with atomic clocks. Also, since gravity is the same thing as acceleration in physics, time dilation also occurs in gravity wells. Near an extremely strong source of gravity like a massive black hole, noticeable time dilation would also occur. It's confusing, but a comprehensive (though simplified) way taught to me to understand it is to imagine space and time as perpendicular axis. As your speed/gravity increases, you move more along the space axis and less along the time axis. Objects moving at light speed are basically moving entirely along the 'space' axis and not at all along the 'time' axis.

[@rozzgrey801]

What if aliens were not only among us already, but are making KZbin videos that are being completely ignored?

[@reallyryan_]

As I've said before it's awesome to hear Avi Loeb back on the channel he's such an interesting guy, hope you had a good vacay :)

[@LesPiecesDuPuzzle]

Some thoughts about this discussion: 1. Quantum mechanics suggest that we may describe the universe with a least 10 dimensions. We presently are only able to interact in 3D (not even time as we "follow" time and btw we're not sure if it can apply for a dimension). Far more advanced civilizations may be able to interact with some of the other dimensions which would facilitate their interstellar or intergalactic trips. How to do that? Some clues involve developing our mental abilities which usually are triggered by the environmental conditions and necessity, but neuroscience also suggest that we can also train our brain to develop the appropriate mental tools to become aware of other dimensions. Worth to explore it, in my PoV. 2. Both of scientists that either think Omuamua is (was?) a natural object or an artificial object should work together on the next different than "usual" (I'm not sure if "usual" can apply in a world where our means of observation are that limited, in my PoV) object passing by. They were taken by surprise this time, may be the next they will be ready. 3. Avi is speaking about individual irrational human behavior when exploring the idea of making contact. We have also to explore "irrational" ET behaviors (in the sense of we may don't understand theirs): Emotions expressed in a different way? (We love to crush skulls when we're happy!!!... ;) ) 4. Avi doesn't like sifi literature because it may violate the "laws of physics".... Is that a "scientist behavior"? Which laws of physics? The ones we think we understand or the ones we still didn't discovered or the already "known" ones that we may understand wrongly?

[@bilbobaggins761]

What’s ridiculous is that people even class Avi as “out there” his just a cool scientist doing scientific work off of fairly good evidence’s to me it’s logical what his doing, Love this Channel 👍

[@royjones4144]

The Ant analogy is a bit tired. If ants had nukes and hypersonic technology we'd take notice of them.

[@ApacheMagic]

They are taking notice of that stuff though. Still, most of us are still ants, and there’s no reason to suppose that nukes, and what barely hypersonic tech that we do have, is not equivalent to mere sticks and stones by their standards

[@jaysalvadoriiisalvosa1625]

I was just trying to look for the Event Horizon movie trailer and I stumbled upon this (and quite timely since this video has just been uploaded 3 hrs ago on my feed). The timing is freaky. Interesting stuff!

[@jonathansimerly5550]

Another great video!! Thank you sir!! 😍😍😍

[@AndreUchoaUSA]

The project's approach of becoming an observer is perfect. However, I do believe that its not with the right focus, which I believe should be the thousands of reported events per year occurring in our atmosphere! You don't need to go to space to research them as they are here.

[@erictaylor5462]

What Do We Do if They Are Here? We do whatever they tell us to do.

[@anjou6497]

Not necessarily....

[@erictaylor5462]

@@anjou6497 Of course, if you want to die, hostile aliens will be happy to oblige. Not like it will ever actually happen.

[@erictaylor5462]

@@anjou6497 To true. But I think they would be smart enough to leave us be. It's not hard to figure out how we would treat a being that is truly different from us. Just look how we treat the different "races" Think about it. To an alien, blacks and whites and Asians and everything else would all look the same. We won't hear from them until we end racism.

[@erictaylor5462]

@@anjou6497 I hope you're not right, but these last several years...

[@dannybrown5744]

Here I am with nothing to do but wait for the next thought provoking upload. Thank you very much for making my day sir. Yuma Arizona is not where I want to be right now.

[@MarkyCannoli]

What a treat listening to this episode!

[@freedomoperator6502]

Love Avi's absolute hubris. Starts out joking how superior he is. Then accuses everyone else of his own vice.

[@OutpostH]

DNA replication seems to be a form of 3D printing. So could we (life) be the Von von Neumann probes?

[@Synathidy]

DNA replication only replicates nucleic acids, and nothing else. It is an enzymatically catalyzed chemical reaction (phosphodiester bonds made to link individual nucleotides) and DNA strands are the specific end product. So I just don't think it's a particularly good analogue to 3D printing. 3D printing seems to be a more multi-purpose "make anything" application.

[@babynautilus]

@@Synathidy that's rna 😸 it can do both

[@djunclephill422]

Thanks for the longer video, hope you had a great holiday 👍

[@spearshome0329]

Great interview as usual!! Thanks JMG

[@nigellawson8610]

What would happen in the event of contact with a superior civilization would not be the brother hood of man, but mass panic and anarchy. Unfortunately, this fear might be justified if an alien species shares some of our nastier characteristics. The idea that an alien civilization would be peaceful is just wishful thinking. We just have to hope that they don't treat us in the same way as we treat other sentient beings we share the Earth with.

[@ralphholiman7401]

We have people panicking right now at the mere thought that these UAP's might be extra-terrestrial. If any government ever admitted it, there would be some dark times. One of the reasons, it has been such a closely held secret. A lot of people think the general public can't handle the truth. And, for the most part, they are probably right.

[@castor5001]

I always wonder the possibilities of intelligent extraterrestrial life at microscopic level... Maybe they are around us and don't notice.

[@philw3039]

Probably not biological, but wouldn't rule out the possibility of artificial intelligence constructs at that scale

[@castor5001]

@@philw3039 interesting, constructed by who?

[@philw3039]

@@castor5001 Well just being speculative. I find it very doubtful microscopic life with intelligence comparable to or beyond a human's would evolve naturally, but I could imagine an advanced civilization creating machines with human-level+ AI at that scale. Or maybe another AI could create microscopic versions. I suppose it also might be possible to genetically engineer intelligent microscopic life, but still think AI - lifeforms much more likely

[@castor5001]

@@philw3039 That maybe the way to explore the universe. Incorporate AI with nanotechnology.

[@IlmarBeekman]

Avi is the best guest!! Thanks Event Horizon!!!!

[@thatdognotthepuppy5809]

An interesting sidenote for the first portion of the conversation regarding cremation: in some cultures cremation is seen as the highest disrespect you could inflict on someone, the idea being that cremating someone prevents their spirit from passing on to the afterlife. During the crusades, a batallion of Muslim soldiers took the time to bury some 400 Christian soldiers, they may have been enemies but they still refused to deny them entry to paradise. It's beautiful in a way.

[@makeracistsafraidagain]

There's absolutely no reason to believe that aliens have ever visited the Earth.

[@mjjumps]

Wrong

[@wyattlightning6681]

Yeah, so let's just never look into it

[@dimwillow7113]

love how Loeb just says it like it is..he doesnt found intelligence that often on this earth.. lol..

[@ik1408]

He is a narcissist.

[@valentinodzaja6090]

We will commemorate dr. Loeb in thousand years as our own Star Trek holographic doctor on our interstellar warp ships. Thanks you dr. LOEB

[@jmanj3917]

38:30, I agree wholeheartedly provided that, while being open minded, we continue to bear in mind Carl Sagan's evidentiary standard regarding exceptional claims.

[@09Ateam]

Spoiler Alert! They're Not

[@treelineresearch3387]

I think it's a bit pipe dreamy that discovering a "superior" exo-species would solve human conflict. The vast majority of conflict is not about "feeing superior" it's about territory, resources, and competing genes - core animal behaviors force amplified to thermonuclear extremes by technology. These animal traits are not always rational on an abstract level, and are often cold and uncaring, but they're the result of millions of years of selection and competition and show up all over nature.

[@raidermaxx2324]

yea but if they give us technology that erases the need for "resources" and "territory" like cold fusion.

[@treelineresearch3387]

@@raidermaxx2324 Alternately if they're a threat to all life on Earth, I can see that uniting all the Human tribes and clades on a very animal level. I don't think finding evidence in the form of signals, a highly sophisticated probe, or artifact, that just proves a much more sophisticated civilization exists or existed would change much. It would have to be a real in-person "first contact" situation with some sort of back and forth, good or bad.

[@SG-tx1fz]

Yeah there is a real possibility that such civilizations maybe just as violent or worse than humans.

[@PatriciaOConnorBonsaiBalcony]

Thank You!

[@jayjam9106]

Love Avi. So cool, so interesting.

[@jacksavage4098]

Technology seems to leap forward faster than we can imagine. Think of our technology in 1722 and where we are in 2022.

[@Synathidy]

I dunno. People in 1980 were imagining hover cars in 2022 and instead of that I drive a mini-van. : /

[@paulahoskins9972]

The Aliens are here. Underground, in Windsor Castle, and the Vatican. Thank you.

[@onealjones9039]

The Colorado plateau, they look just like us.. they're awesome.

[@daleblue22]

Love it that you guys play Stellardrone

[@dalehamilton3678]

Love avi loeb so down to earth

[@therubicon]

In no way am I promoting pseudoscience or woo. I saw funny things up in the sky. They're already here even if they're von Neumann probes 🤷 In 200 years that will just be a known fact. Love your shows there's nothing to debunk, because I was too busy flying the plane to take high definition photos or video 20 years ago, but I know what aerial phenomenon look like. I know what weird clouds look like I know what military aircraft look like, but I'll be dead long before I'm proven not considered crazy. I'm still leery enough that I only post Anonymous comments on the internet.

[@ukraine7249]

Ray bowers???? Loved your report of the sighting!!!

[@yodaco]

I will.... Try my best to fulfill the comments requirements. So I'll start by saying that the things Avi talks about here are pretty fun and nothing is being grossly over speculated or what have you. But recently I have found that Avi is becoming the Linda Moulton Howe of ACTUAL SCIENCE!. I mean every time she opens her mouth my brain shuts down because no matter how interesting what she says, sounds or seems.. It's basically just... Erm.... Nonsense. With a capital B. I wish Avi would step out of the speculation game for a little while. Get some cred back.

[@yodaco]

@Proxima Centaur I know and I kind of admire that too but unfortunately that means Avi Loeb is human clickbait. And there is only so many times I can hear...but it could be aliens! Before I can't take it anymore. And no the irony is not lost on me... I.. er... I know it could be aliens.

[@aquamarine9568]

Think of all the times in history where people, scientists or not, speculated things, and the masses made fun of them or worse. (Eg. Hand washing before surgery might cut down deaths because maybe there is something we cannot see affecting outcomes (early germ theory), or Galileo’s suspecting the earth revolved around the sun etc.). Speculation can drive science too. Science does not always have to be safe to be science.

[@BuceGar]

I just found this channel, and I'm loving it.

[@ivanos900]

Always call mr. Avi Loeb ..great episode

[@deutschchad1399]

I’ve always wondered if god could have been an alien. Not in a sac religious way. A supreme being that came from the sky that had abilities that humans don’t have. An alien civilization might be completely peaceful and never acted anyway except with kindness. I’m not trying to offend anyone.

[@sergew84]

Me too. Interesting thought for sure! Religion would make more sence to me that way. I bet that at the time UAP´s are proven to be real and not of this world that these are the questions many will have.

[@deutschchad1399]

@@sergew84 yes it would. There’s a lot of the Egyptian hieroglyphics that have ufos in the sky and the things they did for them.

[@tatersquad2000]

Could DNA be this self-replicating alien technology?

[@travisgrant5608]

Love this video post! 👍

[@tylerk3616]

Avi has published over 700 papers? Wow that's insane!

[@joshuarichardson6529]

That's one paper, every two weeks, for over 25 years. A lot of them would have been collaborations with others, but that's still a lot regardless.

[@paperboyfromreality]

Once one learns about the "universe" that should make one humble and kind in itself, stop listening to gangsta rap music 😅

[@davidk7212]

Avi's incessant cynicism about humanity and human intelligence is a bit tiresome.

[@user-ng4de5ch3d]

Perhaps, but it is the educated perspective.

[@davidk7212]

@@user-ng4de5ch3d It only seems that way because of how fashionable it is in Western academia to take the pseudo-noble, self-deprecating view on literally everything. I truly believe they've taken the Copernican viewpoint way too far.

[@user-ng4de5ch3d]

@@davidk7212 even if one sets the standards very low, humanity still fails to meet it.

[@davidk7212]

@@user-ng4de5ch3d We're the only technological species we know of, so we have no measuring stick whatsoever for standards. Saying that any standard is too low or too high is like saying 50 is too hot or too cold. 50 what? Too hot relative to what? Too cold relative to what?

[@user-ng4de5ch3d]

@@davidk7212 I'm using a humanist standard. I wish everyone else did as well.

[@joestrat2723]

Brilliant to have passive sensors to avoid a whole host of problems. Get some big ass cameras so you can get some epic pics. This project is exciting in its scope and approach. Avi Loeb is an awesome scientist. Thanks EH, great interview!

[@PittsPics]

PRESS ALL THE BUTTONS AVI!!!