The Most Unsettling Science and Science Fiction Ideas with Isaac Arthur

[@KuraKekoa]

I lost my dad two months ago to a motorcycle accident. We lived far apart but we’d constantly share podcasts and KZbin videos about space exploration and sci fi together. Both of you have been a huge part of that. Thank you for the content you guys produce. It means more than you might realize. ❤

[@EventHorizonShow]

So sorry for your loss.

[@mikelfunderburk5912]

Sorry for your loss. I ride a motorcycle and my daughter worries

[@DAYBROK3]

🫂🫂

[@akaROOSTA]

Dangggg kaonium... so sorry for your loss... 😢 Me and my pops are separated by distance too and it has for a very long time now.. just like your pops and yourself with loving the topic and sharing podcasts and whatnot, we have been doing the same thing and we both love it! So I can entirely relate. He also loves motorcycles (dirt bikes to be exact😊) i recently kinda pulled away from talking to him because of his drinking but after reading your post here I’m going to reach back out. Thank you for your post and I hope time heals all your wounds. Sending love and peace to your heart and to your family’s

[@KuraKekoa]

@@akaROOSTA You really should. Whatever challenges you have had, it’s so worth letting those go. Take the opportunity while you have it. Much love for you and your pops ❤️

[@WhisperingDeath]

Isaac + JMG is futurism KZbin's The Avengers.

[@antifusion]

That's my secret cap, I'm always futurism!

[@thomzwiefler6305]

Event-gers

[@BigSebi]

Lmmmmmmmmaaaaoooo

[@DolphLundgrensDolphinDungeon]

No. Marvel sucks

[@Eurotool]

Isaac Arthur + JMG + Fraser Cain + Arvin Ash

[@gomahklawm4446]

I could listen to you two together all day. Literally my favorite thing on KZbin. Best wishes to both of you.

[@mawnkey]

Michael Crichton couldn't seem to write an ending worth a damn in the vast majority of his books... but _Sphere_ had one of the best sci-fi horror endings I think I've ever read. Highly recommend it to anybody looking for a good read.

[@PwncakeOW]

Sphere was one of my favorite novels of his and one of my fav books in general. Good call. I wonder how it is on audiobook.

[@AzeAlter]

You bring such an EPIC show to the podcast world. Thank you so much. What an awesome collab.

[@JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis579]

I love that they talked about the zombie apocalypse, they should try playin Project Zomboid

[@lyledal]

I don't think they'd throw you out the airlock when you died. You'd get composted and recycled.

[@HrHaakon]

“It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people.„ ~ Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Ethics for Tomorrow" SMAC is one of the best horror games ever made.

[@AnthonyGiallourakis]

This is exactly the kind of science/science fiction blend that appeals to a very wide audience hungry for the best of both. The seasonal twist is sauce for the goose 🖖

[@GooseTronics]

sauce you say?

[@HomeofdaBONE]

Cixin Liu's Trilogy, "Three-body Problem", "The Dark Forest", and "Death's End" are a must read.

[@Codysdab]

The whole dimension change to 2d was for some reason one of the most frightening ideas I've encountered as a way to go.

[@sickSNIPE316]

I think we'll get gravity manipulation tech before we have space elevators, rendering them obsolete.

[@the_primal_instinct]

41:00 Imagine an intergalactic space war run by AI-governed civilizations fighting over a proper way to maximize paperclips

[@sookendestroy1]

Man it's kinda comforting to know that isaac and JMG are also futurist tech luddites who keep the eldritch entity known as pad and paper nearby at all times.

[@happyhammer1]

The Thing is the best horror sci-fi movie in my humble opinion.

[@the_primal_instinct]

Space elevator won't be possible unless you take care of space junk

[@youaremopped]

My favorite guest 👍

[@vapormissile]

These guys are part of the Bridge Crew of my dream colony ship.

[@stricknine6130]

One of my favorite guests. Thanks!

[@EventHorizonShow]

Happy Halloween Strick!

[@stricknine6130]

@EventHorizonShow You, too!

[@Alex-ip1dn]

I love when you guys reference Mass Effect or sci fi in video games. Its super relatable!

[@pbzeppelin6167]

The bit about staying awake and occupied on a long-term asteroid spaceship trip around 17:00 reminded me of Hugh Jackman's character in "The Fountain" where he's flying through space in his little bubble with his Tree of Life, eating bits of it for immortality and living as a kind of Buddhist monk doing Tai Chi and meditating for centuries while he waits for his arrival at the Xibalba nebula. Always loved that film. Also, what if humanity is currently in a cryosleep right now heading to a new world, and this life we have right now is a dream simulation of living on our old planet with all its major social, economic and environmental issues, the point being to have some fresh insights before we wake up to our new homeworld? Would be nice, maybe.

[@seanmchugh2866]

55:00 that's an interesting idea Jean-Luc

[@robynsnest8668]

I imagine this is what Asimov and Verne with Lovecraft chiming in all doing a podcast would sound like. You guys are great.

[@Laenthal]

Golovachev had this horror-like concept of a distant bright future but with the very fabric of the universe going wrong, making the initial manifests of it doing all kinds of solar-system-wide catastrophes hinting at the actual scale of looming doom. He invented some sy-fy tech in those books not seen anywhere since btw.

[@j.f.fisher5318]

I feel like a space elevator would be a tube, basically a triangle of maybe graphene rolled so it's thickened at the top but the interior diameter is constant. It could be pretty tough against anything but a concerted attack. And multiple tubes could be clustered to give throughput in each direction, and different sizes for different types - like passengers and freight.

[@ClannCholmain]

Irishman Sam Neill was amazing in Event Horizon. Greetings from the west coast of Ireland 🇮🇪

[@EventHorizonShow]

Greetings!

[@miinyoo]

Sam Neill is my favorite male actor. Guy is great in everything he does.

[@MrWompz]

Love seeing a cross between Isaac Arthur and John Michael Godier.

[@MonkeySimius]

The real aliens were the colonies we made along the way.

[@bluntedsuspect4615]

I started reading Iaian Banks 'culture' series a few months ago. Really interesting to speculate about the integration of A.G.I. into a society and the sociological integration of a sentient creation. I'm not sure if the series explores a more blatant dystopian potential or realization associated with A.G.I (I'm only on book 5, 'excession' ). Excession seems to water the seeds planted in some of the previous books that the minds have an agenda that the culture is willfully or otherwise unaware of. I droned on, but I had to delete because I don't want to start throwing out spoilers. Great series of novels nonetheless. I'm interested to know what John's and Isaac's impressions are of this series...

[@carbon1479]

9:28 - with Peter Watts's Blindsight I felt like he was able to constantly feed the reader information and it stayed interesting just based on how many novel threads were evolving and (spoiler) he kept just enough back for there to be worthwhile surprises.

[@tanguero2k7]

Thank you both for taking the time to get together and sharing your ideas with us. It's always awesome!

[@Kaget0ra]

I love it when my subscriptions intersect.

[@chrisk1208]

I really liked Space: above and beyond. Very underrated show. The Chigs were really obscure.

[@aaronthompson192]

That episode where the guy and the Chig crash land and spend the whole time hunting each other...no dialogue. That show was unique.

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

As creatures we evolved in an environment of challenge and struggle, a utopian heaven would bore us.

[@johndonson1603]

Quatermass and the pit , was a great sci-fi horror movie from the 60s.

[@Bibibosh]

Did someone say SCOTT MANLY?? DID SOMEONE SAY COLLABORATE WITH SCOTT MANLY?????

[@TimStewart-xt2ji]

I love listening to Event Horizon. These guys have superhuman imaginations and they talk about things that haven't been proven yet, but have to be real because of high probability, and scientific evidence. Some of these podcasts have left me absolutely mind blown.

[@derekburge5294]

Hyperscience, nanomachines, advanced cyrogenics: now we can conquer the stars and crawlonize the galaxy! JMG: Finally, the uber nap!

[@smoore6461]

I think the book Snowcrash deals with nanite swarms and other swarms that deal with those swarms and more swarms to deal with those and on and on. I always found that interesting along with ICE and Black ICE from william Gibsons sprawl series. Those are two of my favorite science Fuction "tropes"? I guess they could be called now. I just found ICE and Black ICE very conpleling since i grew up working with computers and at internet based companies.

[@MartinCHorowitz]

Since I spent Thursday talking with Kip Thorne, this is only the 2nd best Science/Sci Fi discussion for me this week.

[@EventHorizonShow]

That sounds like a great time. How is Kip?

[@MartinCHorowitz]

@@EventHorizonShow Doing well, Still has his wits and sense of humor. He was invited to talk about his work on Oppenheimer, and LIGO, we both sponsor the event which promotes Proper portrayal of science in Movies and TV, and the video should be posted soon. I had a nice private chat with him after his Q&A. Many people forget that Oppenheimer did a lot of work on Black Hole formation before the A-Bomb and he was one of Kip's mentors.

[@BitcoinMeister]

I watched the movie "Event Horizon" on TV as an adult with other adult friends and I must warn all of you: IT IS VERY SCARY!

[@FelizTheLifeguardMinion3]

My absolute two favorite people on all of KZbin. They should do a channel together! ❤❤❤

[@arithmetikmilitantpoetry9548]

OMG im gushing over this top

[@EnneaIsInterested]

You don't make a space elevator because you want the cheapest orbital access - After all, launch loops and orbital ring systems are way cheaper. No, you do it because you can DANGLE a whole city-scale space habitat on the other end, that means your counterweight is also a major location with millions of people living there. Even if it's low-throughput, the one tether invites more tethers, since it's a major location anyway.

[@MARILYNANDERSON88]

Charming enjoyable conversation that perks fantasies of event horizons for astronomy and mystery lovers

[@londonsheraton1]

I loved The Color Out Of Space, i thought it was a really good modern adaptation of a Lovecraft story that freaked me out as a teenager.

[@OnePieceWonPeace]

7:08 "You gotta get a nice fence" 😂😂😂

[@PoppabearsCave]

Scariest movie i ever saw is Idiocracy

[@ooglyga6100]

too real....

[@Zane1414]

Lifeforce from 1985 with Patrick Stewart could be worth watching. It has astronauts, aliens and zombies!

[@rodfaragini7110]

Really enjoyed this discussion guys. Lots to think about as i head to bed

[@glorymanheretosleep]

"I am Legend" is one of the best books ever written! When I first read it, I cried at how good it was and how bad the movie was. Honestly, I had been lied to when they said the movie was better than the book. Totally wrong.

[@spidalack]

I am legend is one of the best examples of "opposites ends of the spectrum" in term of how good they are.

[@brick6347]

Depends on the movie! "The Last Man on Earth" is a great film, and "the Omega Man" isn't bad either. The 2007 version had it's moments, Will Smith was good, he's quite charismatic; The scenes of deserted NYC were eerie... but yeah, the rest was terrible.

[@darthukas]

I've read the book when I was 14 and then saw the movie some time later, thought it was one of the scariest movies ever. Just the concept of the story freaks me the fuck out.

[@glorymanheretosleep]

It's also they didn't stick to the book material. Not zombies, but vampires. And it could have worked as zombies, had they stuck to the material. The alternative ending to the film was much better than the theatrical ending.@@brick6347

[@happyhammer1]

I like Omega Man but it's not a good adaptation of the book.

[@mattdavis822]

Thank you for the channel🎄 and merry Christmas to all

[@martinwulf8253]

My two favourite KZbinrs together again, what a wonderful day.

[@bergatrollet9116]

I really enjoyed this talk, and I would love to get more.

[@PwncakeOW]

What a great podcast. I found you via isaac years ago on your other channel sir John. So nice too see the both of you together considering yall are my fav creators ❤

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

Event Horizon + Isaac Arthur wow ❤ together you can rule the galaxy

[@nickjohnson410]

16:20 When you don't survive the generation ship journey because you ate too much banana pudding at the going away party.

[@micky8ball]

This is so wholesome. Crack open a cold one and just chill and talk with the guys. Great segment.

[@spidalack]

At the end of a day of mondain boring work, getting something not only from Event Horizon, not only from Isaac Arthur, but BOTH TOGETHER? Did I die and go to heaven?

[@dongiovanni4331]

Arthursday and Isaac Arthur with JMG on my birthday. Thanks

[@EventHorizonShow]

Happy birthday!!

[@freeloaderinmiyazaki]

Event Horizon! Yes! And In the Mouth of Madness is another great! My favorite horror movies are Alien and Jaws. Perfect 10/10

[@benrichards1694]

Oh my god, it finally happened. The two best KZbinrs have united!

[@EventHorizonShow]

It’s happened many times!

[@benrichards1694]

@EventHorizonShow It has?! I'm newer to the show. I guess I'll be looking at episodes past!

[@Alex-ip1dn]

​@@benrichards1694you're in for a treat ❤️

[@ryanw2774]

I’ve thought about being put in a sleep state - but I was recently put in a drug induced sleep/coma in the hospital for 2 months. It took me many weeks to learn how to walk again and almost all my muscles in my legs I lost, all over really. I can’t imagine a year or longer. I had no idea 2 months had passed, I really thought it was the next morning, the dreams I remember were out of this world, of course I’m sure the drugs had something to do with them.

[@entropicflux8849]

this is the team-up i was waiting for

[@Kale-Sims]

A trip around the universe and some philosophy about it. Thank you both! 👁

[@JacobSTucker]

I don’t think it matters how long a video with Isaac Arthur is-it’ll just never be enough. Nothing but love for your channel, John, and yours too, Isaac!

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

This episode was great! Like just hanging out with the guys, drinking beer, and talking all-things sci-fi 😁

[@cykkm]

59:34 John: “we are zombies” - This froze my brain for 5 minutes. :-) If a zombie could reflect and recognise that it were a zombie, then he wouldn't be a zombie, but then he wouldn't truthfully say “I'm a zombie...“ “We are zombies“ “every one of _us_ is a zombie” is vacuously true only if “us” refers to an empty set, otherwise leads to the same paradox. 🤯 “This statement is false.“ I'm reminded of the famous quine without deictic self-assertions of truth value, which is even more puzzling: “ ‘yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation’ yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation.” :-) (FWIW, this is a profound one, it's structurally a Gödelian statement.)

[@stevelenores5637]

The world is full of zombies. Everyone who has memes for thoughts are zombies. Like Zombies these memes eat human brains and infect those whom repeat the same memes.

[@cykkm]

@@stevelenores5637Indeed. But was the human condition qualitatively different 10, 100, 1000, 10000 years ago? I don't believe, of course, in the Golden Age, when everyone was either a philosopher or a poet. I think that we grieve that everyone _could be,_ but has everyone ever truly been? There were dark ages and enlightened ages; what, however, wasn't but is, is that we as if require of the common people what was required chiefly of the elites. The idea of equality _in human rights_ is, don't get me wrong, a great one, that which defined our age, but stretching it to equality in, for one, striving to better oneself by education is, methinks, is overstretching it. Some do, some don't. Some think, some meme. I think we're much better off overall: bright people are no longer denied opportunities by their social standing, by caste, by birth. We have a lower ratio of opportunities realized to opportunities afforded to lament, and more opportunities realized to praise. The glass is half-empty and half-full.

[@jonnypariah1]

Pathetically excited at getting a 40k reference ... The Event Horizon DEFINITELY dropped into the Warp and met the Gods of Chaos :P

[@kayakMike1000]

That movie _Event Horizon_ is a great fable in disguise. You can go ANYWHERE in the universe if you're willing to go through hell to get there. Libera te tutemet ex inferis

[@keirangrant1607]

Holy snikes!!! Two of my favorite content creators teaming up for a video! Awesome! Isaac I'm with you. I spent 14 months in Iraq with a Marine Division, and boring is 100%, absolutely fine by me. I'm a trader too, and trading is 90% boredom/patience. I dont need anymore excitement in my life.

[@davidbolton8282]

I can never look at paper clips the same way ever again.

[@animistchannel]

Spooky future stories for the spooky season. Thanks to you both for keeping the world's imagination that much more open to the possibilities.

[@Sybil_Detard]

14:27 :) I am listening this while playing Civilization III during a period of insomnia.

[@thefinelement]

Iaian Banks' Culture civilization would be an awesome place to live.

[@youaremopped]

Is the Opossum available for an interview? 😄

[@Dan-dy8zp]

So much for "Live forever or die trying."

[@ogungou9]

AHAH, Event Horizon, the movie ...

[@reporeport]

YESSSSS i love you guys together

[@sid2112]

Godier and Arthur in a show? My God! The singularity has happened again!

[@lindenstromberg6859]

Childhood’s End by Arthur C Clarke gave me nightmares for like a month after I read it as a young teenager (like 11 or 12). My mom thought it’d be a good book for a kid 😞

[@MarvinMonroe]

She was perfectly right. Children need to get into sci Fi at the earliest age possible. 10-12 is ideal, they should be reading at an adult level by then

[@lindenstromberg6859]

@@MarvinMonroe Haha, agreed completely. I don't regret reading it for an instant. It had one of the most profound impacts on my life of any book ever, I still think about it to this days, literally decades later.

[@noahway13]

A hanging tether would be secured to the ground somehow, so it would push up, also.

[@NextLevelCode]

Have either of you acutely tried extended time in VR?

[@brianp6682]

Revealing the villain or how the sausage is made is not the problem with writing horror. The key to horror is that what people find horrifying is claustrophobia. Create scenes in tight spaces and close combat.

[@DominicRyanOsborne]

An excellent question because many zombies movies to make a point of showing that a large portion of survivors wouldn't want to be inconvenienced by a full apocalypse. Covid though may have proved that our baser instincts aren't far from the surface if they are hidden at all. By day 3, or week 3, zombies will be the new normal and we'll find ways to exploit or subjugate them.

[@andyf4292]

just wait for the first frost... or a spell of hot weather.. zombies go splat

[@MikeJones-yo8en]

My favorite KZbin duo!!! Love you guys! ❤❤❤

[@Generouslife153]

Please do a video about escapism problems that arrive with future technology. * wakes up in 2080 “ this sucks” * Goes back to cryo-sleep “ wakes up in 3150 “ this sucks go back to sleep”

[@st3venseagal248]

My biggest futurism hope is a John and Issac joint podcast.

[@About20Ninjas]

I am gushing over this episode ahhh

[@dc9856]

As kids If we mentioned being bored my mother always said only boring people get bored. Stuck with me to this day

[@Edward-om8mz]

Please don't let be another year before you meet again. GREAT EPISODE 😊

[@mscir]

What is the appeal of zombies? I don't get that. Undead whatever seems so stupid and meaningless.

[@hellfiresiayan]

An apocalypse that's just apocalyptic enough to break society but not so apocalyptic that your chance of survival is zero.

[@mscir]

@@hellfiresiayan Thanks for explaining. That looks like it's coming now that you mention it.

[@sodiorne2]

This was GREAT! Please do Again!

[@sid2112]

John, don't worry about it. You can come stay at my compound, you and your kin. Minds like yours must be protected. You let me handle the warlord of the wastes aspect, you keep looking at the stars.

[@dragonsnail3298]

Wow Isaac. Good job on the voice traing my man!😊

[@Titus-as-the-Roman]

For a long time I would wake from bad dreams, some self destructive in nature, till today when I rarely have "Good" dreams anymore, But, they're not necessarily bad, just enough to disturb when I realize I'm doing all of this to Myself, then I start feeling a little foolish. Why do bad dreams disturb us so much when it's our own Brain that conjuring these images.

[@DeepakKumar-tv1dc]

Been waiting for this for a long time , thank you!

[@ze_kangz932]

The youtube futurism avengers!

[@HebaruSan]

I'm more worried about getting "bored" staying here on Earth!

[@garyr3179]

Such a nice long and interesting episode! It’s always a treat to hear Isaac Arthur! The idea of being frozen and revitalized at a later period of time is quite fascinating. The Three Body Problem series by Cixin Liu is perhaps my favorite series that covers the topic.

[@spearshome0329]

My two favorite KZbinrs talking to each other - epic!

[@Kevin_Kyle]

Great show.....I will listen again soon.

[@_abdul]

My doctor told me not to take Multiple sleeping pills togather. But I couldn't resist these two Giants pondering togather.

[@DAYBROK3]

just today i was wondering if there was a jmg and sfia collaboration soon. nice to know my sci-fi timer is still working.

[@sbschamp10]

All tomorrows…