Are They Already Here? Fermi Paradox Solutions w/ Jacob Haqq-Misra and Thomas Fauchez

With the impending 2022 UFO report coming from the Pentagon John Michael Godier speaks to Jacob Haqq-Misra and Thomas Fauchez to discuss if UFOs deserve to be scientifically Investigated? As well as a new solution to the fermi paradox that relates to low mass stars, red dwarfs and just how technosignatures could be found within our own solar system.
Galactic settlement of low-mass stars as a resolution to the Fermi paradox
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Opportunities for Technosignature Science in the Planetary Science and Astrobiology Decadal Survey
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[@paulhowden720]

I love how popular this programme has become 🙂🙂🙂

[@jonboycat3513]

i love it

[@-Gorbi-]

The only reason you would answer “no” to that question is you are more concerned with your social status than truth itself.

[@benm1993]

This is the most underrated podcast/channel on these topics! Soon to be a million subs

[@EventHorizonShow]

Thanks Ben! Glad you like the show.

[@rossmcleod7983]

Great interview again JMG, many thanks. I’m with Jacques Vallee, Hynek and McDonald on this. The phenomena is all to frikken weird and demands urgent, open scrutiny.

[@faheyplayer]

Many get bogged down in the weirdness of it, makes it harder to keep an open mind.

[@rossmcleod7983]

@@faheyplayer just to compound the weirdness, may I recommend a viewing of the YT UAP Society channel. There is a new interview by Chris Lehto on “ The racetrack UAP” with Captain Chris Van Voorhis. Worth hanging in there to hear that and the Captains 2004 encounter. This whole thing has really thrown me off balance, my former comforting scepticism has been well and truly trashed.

[@jayburke1601]

@@rossmcleod7983 excellent video Lehto is doing some great analysis with respects to his aviation skills and experience...he seems to be objective as well no dog in the game

[@tuomasronnberg5244]

Okay, but what there is to study? Think what an UFO is: it's a spot of light that moves really fast and then disappears. What's there to measure if it's not there anymore and leaves no traces? The best this research can achieve is that they come to a conclusion "something moved really fast and then disappeared." That's not worth anyone's time or money, because we already know that.

[@spookyninja4098]

Alien contact is the biggest Scientific event the world has seen to date. And based on the UFO evidence we have publicly ( not including Classified UFO evidence the Pentagon has ) we are in this event right now. UFO Disclosure is coming. Astronaut Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell have both confirmed this fact.

[@Scottyrock1000]

You always ask the best questions.

[@silverspork86]

Love your show and isaac Arthur's. I've been listening to them every night in bed for a few years. Problem is I usually fall asleep mid way though so I need to listen to each episode like 4 times.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Nothing wrong with that!

[@josemanuelruiz2036]

So you are saying is boring????

[@benroberts1800]

Yes. Emphatically yes. And the military should be studying them. Even if you think they aren't from another planet (and probably especially if you think that) the military should be sending up aircraft with better imaging equipment when they encounter these things to determine exactly what they are. At the very least they should be viewing them as a security threat. We need more data.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Yeah, lets leave it to the U.S Army. Because we know how U.S military intervention are so successful.. No thanks mate.

[@benroberts1800]

@@spiritualanarchist8162 Not sure what military interventionist mentality has to do with "the military should definitely look into this since it affects them" but ok.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

@@benroberts1800 Well i think it's rather obvious that the combination of ' Military ' and ' Alien' is an explosive one . .Especially for potential first contact. I rather have the military (from whatever country ) 'stand by' then taking the lead.

[@benroberts1800]

@@spiritualanarchist8162 Fair enough. I don't disagree with that. I just figure it behooves the military to look into it when things seem to be watching them. But, for all I know, they are already doing that.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

@@benroberts1800 Good point. . Who knows what is known or done at the highest levels. Not me that's for sure ;)

[@torbengodecke5450]

Can't get enough of your podcast. Greetings from Germany :)

[@chodonas]

Von mir auch

[@jamesdonaldmorris2318]

I'm so excited about total disclosure! I'm aware that most likely will be forced somehow. But exciting none the less.

[@neurostreams]

We should check (for engineered markers) at the Lunar Centerpointe, Poles, and opposite of the Centerpointe on the far side. These a 4 very specific but naturally derivable locations knowable within inches.

[@talkingmudcrab718]

I still believe an advanced underwater civilization in our oceans is a more likely explanation for UAPs than an extraterrestrial origin. Especially considering we have explored the surface of Mars more than we have the surface of our deep seas. PS- Maybe an idea for a future episode? 🤔

[@glorymanheretosleep]

What? Something like Aquaman?

[@aroemaliuged4776]

Absolute nonsense

[@aroemaliuged4776]

If you can’t be serious don’t comment…. Please

[@enki7253]

I agree. Ockham’s Razor says the simplest answer is most likely the correct one. What’s more likely, an indigenous aquatic life form that’s been here with us since forever, or aliens from space that have travelled interstellar distances to annoy sailors and pilots? My money is on the fish people!

[@brianmyers13]

@@aroemaliuged4776 Are you new to the Internets and how it works?

[@PaulOSullivan]

JMG, thank you for such an awesome channel. It makes my day when I see you’ve loaded new content. 👍

[@EventHorizonShow]

Thank you for watching Paul!

[@nicholasmills6489]

John, you are well on top of the question. You ask very pertinent questions. It’s honestly a pleasure to hear you have these conversations and I believe you’re helping to remove the taboo around this topic. The question we ask is a very fundamental one, what is our position in the universe. There is an hierarchy of evidence and ufo uap are the bottom of the pyramid. Techno signature are the one of the highest but physical evidence of structures is the highest. We are only currently looking for evidence lower down the pyramid. Thanks. And absolute pleasure.

[@MCsCreations]

Really fantastic interview, John! Thanks a bunch! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@Shane-iy6xf]

Just imagine if we had a global effort where all countries of the world put their money into the same sources all over the planet working together simultaneously toward these discoveries, there'd be no competition, you wouldn't have other countries keeping secrets from other countries if they found better ways to do things, you wouldn't have people being the ones who want to be first to discover it. Our human competitiveness is good on one hand, however it also holds us back.

[@dazwillz7137]

Budget's for exploration, not weapons for war

[@pmajudge]

EXCELLENT !!! if NOT OUTSTANDING!! WITH HOST JOHN MICHAEL GODIER. AND GUESTS JACOB HAQQ-MISRA. & THOMAS FAUCHEZ. MANY THANKS !! FROM, U.K. (2023).

[@stricknine6130]

Great interview!!! I certainly hope we will know in my lifetime. Thanks for the episode.

[@jamescollier3]

how? nothing is remotely close [understatement]

[@stricknine6130]

@@jamescollier3 Ok.

[@Electronic424]

It's official, these fermi podcasts will never get old

[@eduardolima6191]

This is the best notification of the week . Really !

[@crbradbury8282]

AGREED 💯%

[@catdeerduck]

With multiple countries confirming these objects exist especially Brazil confirming they chased 21 of these crafts able to fly at 11,500 mph with no sonic boom. We need to study them to be able to reproduce the observed capabilities. We already wasted 80 years by being close minded.

[@oldgreybeard5301]

I think it's clear that the answer to the Fermi Paradox is 42.

[@chrisdraughn5941]

I really enjoyed listening to these guys!

[@jtjames79]

Scientists think studying it will ruin their reputation. Not studying it is ruining their reputation. You can only deny science so much until people wonder why you're even a scientist in the first place.

[@1974greymalkin]

Thank you for your scientifically based channel that asks the questions I would ask.

[@uwu-gr7il]

I wish we could have total disclosure .I want to know how far the truth really stacks up to some of of the most seemingly crazy sounding Alien conspiracy theories that I have found at the bottom of this never ending rabbit hole in which I have fallen into. I find your show a little more real and I know that I don't have to get up every 5 or 10 minutes to select another video , cause I can relax with an extended unpretentious journey to LA la land., and if I do fall asleep,. I just go back to where I assume that I left off before I actually started living it in my dreamscape as I enter the event horizon

[@wolvenar]

Yes, yes they should be.

[@semprelazio8864]

No they shouldn't ! The size of the Universe you can't physically travel hear. It's as good as impossible to travel hear and even more so to teleport which i could believe more likely

[@tgreaux5027]

@@semprelazio8864 Oh so those things are literally impossible? Because you can phathom where quantum physics will take us in 500-1000 more years

[@semprelazio8864]

@@tgreaux5027 I can it's still impossible I'm sorry. You can't move fast than the speed of light. And you need to weigh that to move that quickly. Nobody is coming hear and we ain't going to leave the solar system. EVER ! It's more likely in 1000 years wormhole or teleportation is invented.

[@holiday7068]

@@semprelazio8864 why give up? It's not possible for you but we can set the ground work for future generations . Your individual life is incredibly irrelevant in the grander scope of humanity. You don't know what we are capable of. People have dreams. One impossible thing can suddenly become possible. The more people we have the faster we advance. This incredible expansion of technology will all end here? No. It's never going to stop until we are extinct. You don't give enough credit to people, such as the people we just listened to.

[@semprelazio8864]

@@holiday7068 agree human nature is to explore. The size of the universe and what physics is capable of our life span and biology. It pointless facts ! We are stuff hear. Better to spend the time to preserve the earth 🌎 more sustainably for the "future generations"

[@chrisk1208]

You were too easy on them when they answered to your question about oumuamua. Why was it just a rock? How do they explain its velocity? Etc. etc. They really prove the criticism Avi has only of his colleagues. They litteraly state that it doesn't fit any prediction about a normal interstellar object, so it has to be an unknown sort of rock/natural object. Because an artificial object is too uncomfortable to consider?

[@ericmoyer8538]

Be great if Avi was there for rebuttals

[@nmarbletoe8210]

Agree, "just a rock" is wrong. To his credit he did immediately say it didn't match blah blah. The fact is that ET origin has not been disproven, whereas most conventional objects are ruled out. Oumuamua was tumbling though, so if it was a light sail craft, it was probably derelict... a den for space pirates... possibly tribble infested

[@josgraha]

hah, thank you Dr. Fauchez, I have been saying for a long time that it's not the job of Science to "prove" anything exists, rather the pursuit to prove or merely describe with some degree of confidence on how something works. If something needs to be added to the mix that wasn't known before well that's fine. It's the scientific approach of interpreting data to understand how something works that is our best hope to prove that something exists because it may need to be introduced to support the description, but we're not looking for proof of existence, we truly want to know far more than that so let's not settle. Thank you so much as always for your excellent interviews.

[@derp195]

Just from past examples, I’m convinced that even if we find good evidence of an actual technosignature, the scientific consensus will settle on the second best explanation.

[@SteffenDietrich81]

Isn’t it refreshing to hear people say “that’s a great question” and actually mean it? Wish politics would be more like science.

[@smyrnian_]

John, you're doing a great service to science here by opening up the minds of younger scientists to possibilities they may never have seriously considered as real options. Amazing.

[@undergroundsubway7023]

If you keep uploading videos like this on both channels every day I’m not gonna have a way to sleep without it

[@mrbamfo5000]

@@faizanrana2998 Actually, they do. He even talks about being a sleep aid.

[@undergroundsubway7023]

@@faizanrana2998 I’ve watched more of his videos of his than you probably. Weirdo

[@garyr3179]

What a truly fascinating episode! I do sometimes think that techno signatures may prove undetectable as technology might be so advanced that the technology leaves no noticeable traces or imitates nature…

[@urphakeandgey6308]

Kind of reminds me of a thought I had for advanved alien weaponry: It'd make sense for their attacks to seem natural from afar. Not only does it offload some blame, but it also doesn't broadcast their existence to possible higher powers. I'd imagine natural looking weapons are easier to pull off for an advanced civilization too. Hurling an asteroid... Rotating a soon-to-be quasar...

[@jamespsyfer]

I echo your comments Sir. I remember an episode of sci fi program… where an advanced civilisation.. “Knox” I think they were called… maybe type two civilisation on kardashev scale… but presenting as tree dwelling agrarian types

[@glorymanheretosleep]

I want life to exist on another planet than Earth, but it isn't realistic that aliens are here.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Yep. The ' confederate of planets ' studied our social media data and concluded humans are the just too alien .

[@glorymanheretosleep]

@@spiritualanarchist8162 I also wish that were the case, but chem is chem.

[@uwu-gr7il]

I love this show because I don't have to train my eyes on a little screen. I can rest my head on my pillow and close my eyes, and still see ., also I find the background music very soothing.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Uwu!

[@uwu-gr7il]

@@EventHorizonShow Thanks for taking the time

[@ourcommonancestry6025]

This I know from personal experience as a retired counterintelligence agent of 21 years and a UAP investigator with MAPIT since 2016 (both DD214 and Certification available upon appropriate venue request): 1) The gatekeepers will not allow for release of viable information - they are paid to retain and disseminate information according to internal organizational and legal requirements, 2) Investigators, researchers, and various scientific field collaborators can not meet on common ground due to career protectionism, access to data, and/or security clearance requirements (example: A National Lab Plasma Physics Scientist can not share information they have gained in the course of their duties with University level or special program individuals due to compartmentalization, contract, and legal recourse), 3) Managers do not and will not give up their careers and cast their pearls to pigs, 4) Those that fund research are privy to it and their advantages gained are not shared... no one is that altruistic.

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

Yes. It is valid to investigate all phenomena.

[@mortensjovold7188]

Just what i was waiting for!:)

[@conrailfan6277]

I absolutely love these shows John, I would love to hear you interview Richard Dolan some time, that would be an awesome interview!!!

[@biosphere8488]

Absolutely agree

[@justinthome1688]

Yes.

[@rossmcleod7983]

Double yes. Has extraordinary recall and is well placed in a bunch of circles, just watched his interview with Curt Jaimungal.

[@avaruusmuukalainen]

@John Mann She believes everything, would be a trainwreck cause JMG is a bit more serious.

[@thedoruk6324]

Absolutely great episode !

[@zapfanzapfan]

I'm too in my 40s and I really hope I get an answer to if we are alone before I shuffle off this mortal coil.

[@EventHorizonShow]

It’d be nice to know. And thanks for sticking with the show for so long.

[@112233JORDAN]

My question when it comes to policy is: "How much resources should we allocate to a certain program?" There are many great things we want to accomplish, but the budgets and other resources are finite and limit what we can do. Of course, many great causes are forgone/underfunded due to this reason.

[@9trogenta13]

As much ressources as each of us is willing to invest, individually. The only sure thing is the thugs in position of power leeching off productive forces have no interest in exploration.

[@Shane-iy6xf]

Especially when you have a corrupt government like ours that funnels our tax dollars to classified black budget programs we know nothing about, in my opinion I believe they've had major breakthroughs over 50 years ago in regards to mastering gravity control and quantum vacuum energy AKA 0 point energy, however they will not shift us into this new paradigm for the fear of the loss of control and wealth.

[@NTJedi]

The main focus of the human race should be populating many other planets... failure to take this step only guarantees the human race to become extinct much sooner. We should quietly look for aliens in space, but we should never announce the exact location of Earth since it's our only planet and if the milky way galaxy is abnormally quiet than maybe something exists which has been exterminating intelligent life in our galaxy.

[@Shane-iy6xf]

The thing that exists that's exterminating intelligent life, is intelligent life such as us exterminating itself, due to its own ignorance! Also it is an undeniably and undoubtedly ridiculous primitive mindset to think spreading to other planets to multiply as a species is and intelligent idea.. As a species we ought to learn to live in harmony with our own planet/nature instead of destroying it, if we cannot take care and or repair our own planet we do not deserve nor are we worthy to go to any other planet only to multiply like a virus, consuming and destroying all nature and resources! 40% of the animal species on Earth have become extinct / endangered species in my lifetime! Most of our technology does not coincide with nature, it goes against it / destroys it. Even with all the environmentalist / people who are trying to restore the Earth is nowhere near enough! For the ones whom are destroying it outnumber the ones who are trying to save it 10 times fold! We are literally a war driven species with enough nuclear warheads on our planet to destroy our environment 10 times over! Thank God our primitive species is not capable of making it to other planets! Being that we are literally killing our rainforest, oceans, literally wiping endangered species off the face of earth! It's absolutely insane being that we have no known other habitable planets within our reach! We are literally abusing what's keeping all of us alive! If we do not change what we are doing, we deserve what we get. The Earth may get very damaged by us, however it will shake us off like fleas and heal itself over time with out us on it. 👍

[@Shane-iy6xf]

@@9trogenta13 We ought to you overthrow them in their places of power to put them where they belong! If we do not we get what we deserve.

[@DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1]

Yes. I think we have good reason to suggest we should.

[@Laurasiana]

Wait until a star is close enough for easy interstellar travel? That puts a new spin on Lovecraft’s “When the Stars Are Right.” 😄

[@LostAnFound]

Solution to the Fermi Paradox: Stealth

[@robertosborne8049]

awesome show listen to it every day but who does the MUSIC , ITS SO NICE

[@TripleFixate]

An hour of thoughts and discussions closed with the possum controlling all eventuality’s and Anna taking all the money, love these keep up the amazing work!!!

[@Starfishtroopers]

Our technical advancement is proofing the reality, the better our tools are getting the more we are able to observe their behavior.

[@aceundead4750]

Imagine how sad extraterrestrials are gonna be when they get here and learn that Elvis has left the building.

[@youaremopped]

"We could get into talking about the Fermi Paradox". Oh, we will! 👽

[@EventHorizonShow]

Oh definitely.

[@youaremopped]

@eventhorizon @JMG I'll be reaching out to Ross soon. I have many questions!

[@youaremopped]

I'm hoping you'd be willing to chat with me

[@NTJedi]

Dark Forest Hypothesis seems most likely,, but also possible there's something very dangerous in our Milky Way galaxy which has been exterminating intelligent life. The fact we are loudly announcing the exact location of our only planet could bring that dangerous lion to destroy us.

[@MadderMel]

So what exactly did Commander David Fravour see ?

[@spinny2010]

What about the monolith that Buzz Aldrin said was on Phobos?

[@merky6004]

2001:ASO the monolith was buried deep, so that was a good idea to protect it from sun exposure and meteors. The strong magnetic field is what drew the attention of astronauts. A lunar satellite actually. A space faring, technological species would be the only ones to to trigger it by excavation.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Great point. Clarke was a genius.

[@keirangrant1607]

That rebar question was great man. Pretty funny

[@bozo5632]

I very much liked their responses to these questions.

[@mikeharrington5593]

Alien intelligence may already have scout/watcher devices already in place hidden on Earth. Even if aliens haven't directly landed here, then its quite feasible for them to have installed an autonomous nano observation/listening device on one of our space vehicles returning to Earth, from as far back as the first Moon landings.

[@_S3R4PH_]

Its possible, thats what some of the UAPs could be just speculating of course. Similar to how we put rovers on mars etc

[@joesands8860]

I would think an alien species putting a probe or monitoring device in close earth or near earth orbit instead of directly on the planet itself just because they would be able to monitor a much larger area then ground based.

[@friendlyone2706]

Wouldn't it be funny if our moon turned into an alien artifact? I've recently learned All lunar craters are comparatively shallow; Unlike Mars and Earth, there are no extra deep craters. There are no lunar "grand Canyons." Second newly learned fact, there are room temperature shafts on the moon. Those two undisputed facts, taken together, seem to have interesting implications.

[@PLAtime365]

Just found the channel and love it already! That said, I tire of intellectuals speaking of alien life while completely discrediting uap's. I understand we don't know what they are. But we do know they are intelligently controlled. We know they defy known physics. We know they are transmedium(can go from space to air to water). So everything they can do, we would expect an advanced alien craft to be able to do. This is all claimed and proven through our own military and independent research. So why do we not start treating this as a major scientific interest? I can't believe we are not setting up every kind of sensor and recording devices available to monitor and gather data. The navy has encountered uap regularly in the same area. We are ostrich with heads in sand.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

' They' keep waiting until they see intelligent life on this planet .....So that's going to take a while 🙄

[@free_spirit1]

The rabbit hole is very deep. Be careful not to lose yourself in it. Sometimes I have a feeling that it's all true. There are so many accounts and many of them sound really out there. There's so many it's hard to dismiss. If you have had an experience, will you share it in the future?

[@michaelburke750]

Yes, they‘ve been here observing… and left for home, giggling.

[@jasonbrown9979]

Absolutely brilliant. Love this channel

[@jaywhite1241]

Honnestly... if you look at all the events that shaped human intelligence and evolution on earth... its pretty unique. Life exist else where... but if we accept that intelligence isnt a common response to survival and evolution... then make peace with the small probability of meeting another intelligent life form.

[@roblockstock]

The highlight of my friday , fantastic content John , have a great weekend..

[@johndavis6119]

This was a fascinating discussion.

[@Goat.Herder]

As much as I enjoy the talks, I rarely get half way through before I'm 💤 👍

[@chyfields]

Whilst meditating, I am ‘told’ that there are direct doorways from here to other worlds. Movement through these doorways, apparently, alters the physical form. In terms of time travel, apparently, pathways to the past have been closed to us.

[@twitherspoon8954]

So someone told you about the doorways but not their locations or how to access them? Who exactly told you that?

[@chyfields]

@@twitherspoon8954 Imagine if everything you ever learned in school, college and university was downloaded in a few moments .🤔 I am not the only person trying to communicate with our planetary consciousness. Why don't you have fun trying to find out where these doorways are located? Many others have claimed they do exist.

[@twitherspoon8954]

@@chyfields _"Imagine if everything you ever learned in school, college and university was downloaded in a few moments."_ So tell us about something that "planetary consciousness" informed you about that is not already known.

[@chyfields]

@@twitherspoon8954 There is so much information within planetary consciousness. Go find out for yourself.

[@twitherspoon8954]

@@chyfields Are you asserting to have made contact with "planetary consciousness"?

[@twogungunnar9456]

Yeah they're here, I've seen it.

[@djbobo4148]

There is no Paradox. Earth needed 4,5 billion years to create intelligent life. And Earth is unique. Add distances, time and you hear only silence. Universe is in baby age

[@craigthescott5074]

The universe is 13.8 billion years old so that’s three times older than the earth. There been more than enough time for intelligent life to evolve in other places.

[@djbobo4148]

@@craigthescott5074 how many planets have similar conditions to support advanced life like Earth? What were the chances that dinosaurs extincted and mammals ruled the world? Even if closest galaxy to Milky Way was colonized milion years ago we need to wait another 1,5 milion years that we could see this thru telescopes. Think twice

[@craigthescott5074]

@@djbobo4148 there’s 100 to 200 billion stars in our galaxy all of them are believed to have planets. That alone gives us possibly a trillion planets in our galaxy and there’s two trillion galaxy’s out there. Just mathematically there’s probably millions of other civilizations in the universe. The chances of us being alone is very remote.

[@djbobo4148]

@@craigthescott5074 mathematically there could be milions of other civilizations in the Universe but not at this age of Universe. Just small percent of all stars in all galaxies are stable like Sun to support advanced life in long period of time. There could be few milions in our galaxy. Those stars can't be too close to center of Milky Way and can't be at galaxy edges. Then find planet like Earth moving in ecosphere. Then find planet with moon like Earth. Then find solar system with planet similar to Jupiter, then find... So mathematically finding planet like Earth with Moon is almost impossible. That's why Universe needs another tens of billions of years to create lot of other civilizations

[@Shane-iy6xf]

The last question of the video this man had, reminded me of a Albert Einstein quote. "Imagination is more important than knowledge". Albert Einstein.

[@darkmatter6714]

For me, the most likely candidates for dealing with Fermi’s Paradox are (in no particular order): The Zoo Hypothesis: just like we observe nature without wishing to interfere for ethical reasons, aliens might want to do the same. Besides, if we’re too stupid to figure out how not to extinguish ourselves then what’s the point of making contact with us. Better to leave it until we figure out how to raise our game to their level. The Great Filter: look what’s happening around us now. Climate crisis, conflict, overpopulation. Maybe the Apex of high intelligence only takes you as far as self-annihilation and that’s it - no one can go beyond that. So maybe there have been and will be trillions of civilisations like ours who can never go beyond our current level. Simulation Theory: If we are just a self-contained simulation, then why do we need aliens to be simulated. Multiverse: maybe there are an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of intelligent beings, but maybe it’s one universe, one intelligence. So, we might not be alone, we’re just alone in our own little corner of our universe in a sea of universes, each with their own.

[@nmarbletoe8210]

How about the NEPA hypothesis? They are working and living on Earth, but their permit requires minimal disturbance of the native flora and fauna.

[@alwenke212]

Another idea, quarantine. Other civilizations have been observing our "civilization" for thousands of years and found us to be so primitive , backwards, warlike, and self-destructive that we have been found be a danger to to the galaxy. There for contact has been prohibited.

[@mrbamfo5000]

I hear they are reptilian and run the world.

[@NTJedi]

Zoo Hypothesis is downright wrong... the Dark Forest hypothesis is far more accurate because some animals are peaceful and some will be violent. To assume all aliens will be peaceful is foolish and will increase chances of our extinction. The Great Filter: This assumes self-annihilation *always* happens yet mathematically that seems impossible. Also there's no overpopulation on Earth... the entire human race can *easily* fit into Texas without skyscrapers or basements thus *easily* allowing the rest of the USA to provide them with the food, animals and plants to maintain them. Simulation Theory:... will *always* remain just a theory because it's impossible to prove or disprove. If you truly believe the simulation theory then go jump in a volcano. **Our Milky Way galaxy is extremely quiet with no signs of activity.... this could easily indicate something in our Milky Way galaxy is extremely dangerous and has been exterminating other intelligent life. The fact humans are actively announcing the location of our only planet might draw that dangerous lion our direction.**

[@darkmatter6714]

@@NTJedi well, whatever the reason or reasons, the truth is we just don’t know. However, one thing I believe is that overall, civilisations - at least the human ones - have become less and less violent over time. Yes, you could say there are wars being raged around the plant right now, so how is that true? It’s true because we used to execute people in public squares and now we don’t. We used to watch people fight to the death for entertainment, now we watch them hit themselves with soft gloves. There has been a forward progression away from violence and aggression which has correlated with developments in education, science, ethics and social responsibility. These developments have lead to higher ideals such as, for example, the notion of democracy. If you think about it, when was the last time a democracy started a war? They’ve always been started by totalitarian societies, which have then dragged democracies into to it. And if we are still fighting wars, it’s because we are not there yet - we’re still being driven by the primitive hypothalamus, which clouds our conscious behaviour with fight-or-flight subconscious bias. I don’t believe a hyper-advanced civilisation will have this problem - they would have overcome it. The point being that violence is driven by primitive instinct, designed for a predator/prey natural environment. And so, just like we don’t go around spraying urine on trees to mark our territory anymore, I don’t think hyper advanced civilisations would need to be violent or aggressive towards any other. If you think about it, if they had the propensity to be violent towards others, then they would also have it towards themselves too, at which point we enter an oxymoron: how can hyper advanced civilisations display aggression which, by definition, is a primitive form of behaviour?

[@TheBushdoctor68]

Another great video. Thank you. I thought that asking your guests where aliens would place a monolith was very interesting, because it didn't mention any specifications which gave them both the opportunity to fill those in for themselves, like with what purpose, and including habitation or not (yet). Having said that, it would also be interesting to see a discussion about those specifications. Like, if aliens were able to travel to our solar system, they would either do it the hard way, involving huge amounts of distance, time, effort and sacrifice, or they would do it in a much easier way that is unknown to us. The huge difference in those methods would determine huge differences in purpose and goals, and it would be great to have people speculate about that. In my view, it's either very hard to reach other solar systems, in which case you cant bring tons of rocks for a monolith, but you would try to do important stuff, like starting a colony if it's still uninhabited, OR it's very easy for them to reach us and in that case there is no need to plant a monolith anywhere. They would be able to pick their own moment of careful, non-intrusive exposure, like maybe starting with raising awareness by no longer hiding their exploration drones constantly, or by creating some freely interpretable symbolic art pieces in fields around the world that would be too complicated for humans to create. ;) It would also be very interesting (to me at least) to have people talk about a reversed scenario. What would WE do if we discovered a lower developed intelligent species somewhere? Would we make ourselves known or not? What would determine that decision? What would our ethics be, the same as on Earth? Hopefully not. What would we do if we found something invaluable to us, but also to them? Will we take their idol and run like Kirk, or will we stick to the Prime Directive, this time? - you know, some average big questions. Pardon my ramblings, this stuff fascinates me to no end. :)

[@2niceunicorns562]

I saw a UFO on the 4th of July, 2009 in a suburb of Philadelphia. I know what I saw. It vanished into thin air right before my eyes. It was an epistemological shock for me.

[@laurencemoore8519]

There was one thing wrong with this episode, even if it was amazing brain candy and one of the most interesting things i`ve ever listened too, is that it was far--far-far too short. Something that was hinted in here was how different aliens might think. I agree with that. to make a stupid example give similar, star leaping tec to four societies. The first is the Romans, the second Carthage, the third Stalins Russia and the last the tibetan monks under some sort of Lama. Do you think they would develop along similar lines?

[@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma]

"Do you think they would develop along similar lines?" The answer is: yes! Except for the Soviet Russia, they still would attempt collectivization of agriculture and starve 20 mil people to death. That's just a morbid joke. 💀

[@mrbamfo5000]

They may go in different directions but as useful tools are developed, they would be assimilated by the others. So yes, over time all 4 of those would merge.

[@NTJedi]

*One thing proven with all life...* is how it fights against other forms of life to survive whether it's a pine tree or a tiger or some type of fish. Knowing life evolves after millions of years of fighting means any alien life will quietly and cautiously watch other types of life in the universe. Now our human race is extremely foolish because first we have a long ongoing history of wars, corruption, lies, stealing and violence.... yet we are actively announcing to the galaxy the exact location of our only home. This means any powerful aliens who could reach us will *NOT* help us simply because we can't be trusted and we are violent.... which means announcing our exact location will result with powerful aliens either controlling, selling, killing, medically probing, enslaving or incubating the humans. There will be no "second chance" if aliens decide to destroy humans.

[@brianmyers13]

At this point is the answer to the Fermi Paradox that the assumptions that suggest we should be swimming in aliens is just wrong? I mean make a list of your 'answers'. They are more unlikely than there being a paradox at all. The only answer that doesn't make me roll my eyes are that advanced civilizations just aren't that noisy...and don't need to harness the power of their sun to survive. Until we have the ability to 'see' atmospheres of some large portion of the planets in the MW there is no reason to spend cycles on the paradox.

[@Koryogden]

Agreed, I bet our way of thinking is getting in the way. It's like the Dark Matter/Energy mystery, it's probably a complete misunderstanding of how we can even perceive such a thing

[@nc687-]

@ Eryn, We don't "fall into the event horizon", we cross it, thought it might ring truer seeing this channel is about most things space

[@andyhyde4711]

Thanks again!

[@giantclam1822]

Art Bell level....fire Noory and hire this guy

[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

Spoocky that i ever would say following words " ...thank god its Thursday. " 😁😉

[@EventHorizonShow]

It’s a good day!

[@rikardo831]

PBS Space time did an episode on a paper regarding the matter. Aired on 9th november. It has a lot of assumptions, but has a surprising outcomes

[@alliedatheistalliance6776]

I'm not a devout alien believer, but even so I find the fermi paradox frustratingly dismissive when you consider the number of alleged alien encounters and sightings. To just dismiss them all is so arrogant

[@alliedatheistalliance6776]

And yeah I know, atheist blah blah blah.

[@jayburke1601]

Carlotto applied fractal analysis to explore the possibility of artificiality with regards to features on Mars he did this thirty or so years ago...his findings were quite surprising..it would be easy to do a much wider survey of Mars if NASA would cooperate but there is a reason they aren't ever going to do that

[@Philippe275]

seems you have taken a comment I made to heart. Great video

[@EventHorizonShow]

What was the comment?

[@Philippe275]

@@EventHorizonShow kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGGvc4KOd9ihbbs&lc=Ugzxw314-LAhTbK4uSB4AaABAg

[@thebigerns]

I can't see anything being preserved for long on the irradiated surface of the Moon. Where do they think all that dust comes from?

[@neddyladdy]

Yes, and they are currently studied, to determine what phenomenon cause them.

[@seanrh4294]

Putting an alien object on the moon for us to discover it? The prominent place is a coal deposit. That's where I found a rusty square object made of iron or steel... I was only 12 when I found it and immediately realized that it was probably not made by humans because of its age and location. I found it in a brown coal deposit in NRW, Germany. I am thinking about cutting it in half to see what's inside.

[@andrewcollins1045]

Don't destroy it. Try and get a sympathetic scientific institute to study its isotopes, find out its composition and thus whether it is earthly in origin.

[@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma]

It is most likely something that miners left or part of mine machinery. But, try to cut it, if it doesn't explode in your face, we just might learn something new. 🤣🤣

[@seanrh4294]

@@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma All swamp gas right? The piece I found is actually still part of a chunk of coal fossils. Thats why I knew that it was not left behind by roman miners.... Keep laughing monky

[@sojiadesina2081]

So happy skits with Your A.I. is back 😂

[@alanheadrick7997]

Maybe scan the moons surface for crop circles? Well something like crop circles, its simple and should last a long time. No one likely lived on Earth until more recent times, like last 500 million years.

[@keithkuhn6404]

Why in the "recent" "well" documented cases, are there no high res satellite images of the event? I.e. the navy likely has satellite imaging covering its fleet. In addition, why do fighter jet pilots have to use an I phone to take videos. I find it difficult to comprehend that an I phone is the state of the art optical imaging system on jet fighters. Perhaps today there are now drones in the mix too.

[@cjmahar7595]

Everyone has failed to give any examples of what the mean by something worse than aliens. What could be more worrying than an unknown civilization roaming around our planet

[@EventHorizonShow]

It would be quite worrying.

[@NTJedi]

Examples of "something worse than aliens": 1. Simulation theory.... we are nothing but computer code and do not really exist. 2. Chaotic or Evil god theory... the universe has some creator which mindlessly pursues chaos and evil where our existence is only for serving its destructive pleasures or evil pleasures. 3. The universe keeps expanding like a bubble... and just like a bubble will eventually pop resulting with the destruction or everything very quickly.

[@simondan3828]

I ask: When are we going to stop ridiculing UFOs/UAPs and especially when are trolls in the comment section going to be stopped?

[@stevekaspar1396]

Excellent

[@Kenji1685]

If we put a tower of concrete on the moon, all the moisture in it will sublimate if it's in the sunlight. I wonder how concrete will behave in such an environment?

[@gorbachevdhali4952]

I like the cautious but rational optimism expressed by these guests about the prospect of discovering ETI.

[@voidstarq]

31:33 "I'll refer you to the equations in the paper." -- Is that anything like "The solution is left as an exercise for the reader"?

[@Warren5331]

Thanks so much for covering the UAP issue. You are helping to help erase the stigma which, sadly is still around. (..recently, heard an amazing insulting and/or pathetic remark from Brian Greene on Joe Rogan). Sad!

[@mrbamfo5000]

Why? Did he say he doesn't see any actual proof of aliens visiting. Because that would actually be true. There is some circumstantial evidence of unknown phenomenon here and there. But nothing to "prove" it is alien.

[@Warren5331]

@@mrbamfo5000 No, certainly saying “we don’t have proof” is true. ….Don’ t want to waste time on this but what he said was absurd, something about UFO’s having to get light years home for dinner after coming here, just to tease us??? I bet you can find the discussion without much trouble. The stigma makes even geniuses stupid. You know, UFO’S come here to scare people and then travel light years back home for dinner.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

​@@Warren5331 Greene's just doing the usual. I like the man and respect him as a scientist, but the reality is that most people that do the hand wavey stuff and dismiss it strongly tend to have never researched the subject deeply. Once you do look deeply into it though, you realize that we do have proof of an aviation hazard, and it's led to deaths of pilots. In the coming months, I'll be having two scientists on addressing issues regarding this that haven't had enough public exposure. The first is from NASA and the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics regarding the physical reality that these objects exist and can be studied with instrument data. We have enough evidence at this point for that. We don't know what they are, and they may or may not be alien, but in some cases they are provably physical objects under intelligent control and have been seen for at least 70 years with an alarming amount of consistency in the descriptions of them. Flying saucers are one thing, but when you have repeated reports of tic tacs and giant triangles going back to the days when the hoaxing in the pop culture was rallying around saucers, then you have a pattern reliable enough to justify looking further. The other is from Stanford and has been asked by the US gov to look into medical injuries in people that have had due to exposure to UAP. The problem here is that the first known death of a pilot investigating a UAP happened in 1948, so the hazard there was known but not officially taken seriously for decades. Injuries related to UAP were similarly known, and in one case Sen. John McCain had to intervene in a VA case to get the government to cover it. That one was, as I recall, related to Rendlesham forest but reports of injuries go back much further. This is a problem for me, I cannot downplay something and get hand wavey and hyperskeptic over something linked to deaths. I don't "think" we're seeing aliens here, but I don't know what we're dealing with, and I see a clear need to look into it by the scientific community no matter the outcome. And we were well warned. In 1969 University of Arizona atmospheric physicist Dr. James E. McDonald, who you may have noticed I've been bringing up a lot, wrote and published a fully scientific paper on what he found regarding his investigations of UFOs. It's an eye opener. There is something to it, and that was clear in a paper that came out several years before I was even born and I'm now pushing 50. It was a disgrace. The only reason he was ignored was the taboo, which was already forming up and the overall fear that mentioning anything about UAP in an open sense was bad for your career. It still is. But I'm a science fiction author, not a scientist, so I don't have to care about the stigma. So I am doing my part to help tamp it down.

[@cdurkinz]

Great as always John

[@jrag1000]

Why are we assuming it would be easy to colonize a galaxy? We can't live on 8 of the nine planets and many moons in our solar system so why would we assume its easy for another species to live and spread throughout a galaxy?

[@rodfaragini7110]

Awesome

[@EventHorizonShow]

What’d you like most in the video?

[@brianmyers13]

I was about to say "Who in the world would say no?" Then I realized...flat earthers. Never mind...so "Yes, we should."