Every 8th Scale Buggy (Part 2)

[@joshuajkoplin]

I’ve been out of RC for about 18 years. It’s baffling that Kyosho is now “different” or an outlier in the 1/8th scale buggy racing world. Back when I was in it. The Inferno was the car at least in my area. They don’t have Kyosho anything at Tammie’s hobbies in Oregon near me. Things have changed very much. I just bought an MP10 rtr Nitro to enter back in the hobby.

[@TranceFur]

Yep, nowadays Kyosho is sort of considered a “classic” RC company, a bit like Tamiya. Not that modern Kyosho buggies aren’t just as competitive as their counterparts from other brands, but most racers have decided that there are better options on the market.

[@gainsrc]

KZbin comments are the best and worst thing for a content creator. Sry you had to go through that. This is a very well organized and informative video as usual. Thanks for all your hard work!!

[@RoachRC]

I appreciate that man.

[@k-nick97]

I don't own the 8ight buggy, but I do own the 8ight xte truggy, and I can say your assessment of TLR is spot on. It's maddening how so many of their parts are always out of stock, even from Horizon themselves. I have to add one other thing that bugs me about TLR as well. The way they sell many of their parts is downright infuriating: they bundle a lot of their parts together so you have to buy other parts you don't need in order to get the one that you do. For example, I needed a new differential pinion. You can't buy just the pinion from TLR, you also have to buy the differential main gear as well. Both of these parts are machined metal, and it's FORTY DOLLARS to get them both. They did the same thing with their motor mount plate: you can't buy just the plate, you have to buy the whole mount assembly. $55 total. Ebay kit breakers will become your best friend. By contrast, if I need a diff pinion for my tekno sct, I can buy it on its own and it's $20. I love my xte. It's an amazing truck. I'm going to continue to drive it until the wheels fall off. But after how hard it is to find parts in stock and how maddening their practice of combining them into a single sku is, I'll never buy another TLR again.

[@clearstream67]

Wanted to add to the Kyosho section: in addition to their MP10 TKI3 and MP10e TKI2 kits, they also make RTR buggies of the MP9 and MP10s (nitro and electric) as part of their Readyset line. The MP10e Readyset is about $560 with radio, 4S brushless electronics, and is compatible with most of the TKI2 parts. Nitro version with radio and KE21SP engine is $530. They also have the inexpensive $430 Inferno NEO 3.0 VE readyset for bashing and introductory racing. Prices from AMain.

[@sander89706]

I'm racing a Serpent SRX8e and SRX 8e Pro in Europe mostly on Astroturf. The car is just awesome! The design is very very good. Build quality and durability are awesome, the car is very well balanced and runs great on kit setup already but allows for further fine tuning; the window from kit allows to tune to both ends and is useful depending conditions. It has a lot of steering and is very stable on power. Some downsides are the steel spur which becomes noisy very easily and tends to eat the pinions (alignment is very delicate). Also the 13/44 gear ratio at the diffs and 44T spur and minimum pinion size of 14 does not allow very short gearing but seems sufficient. Parts availability used to be OK but is becoming problematic as Serpent is not very active anymore supporting 1/8 offroad.

[@bhowell95]

That pixel art is 🤌🏼🤌🏼

[@freerangehuman1976]

My tekno et48 2.0 is a beast.

[@Crabtronics]

The agama N1 platform actually excels on rough tracks now that agama has fixed the front shock bodies and extended them +4mm. They were too short at first and that’s why VRP made the droop upgrade kit. But the lower CG means it doesn’t buck nearly as high when it hits a rut. I’m running the N1e w/VRP V2 kit and it’s insanely good…the platform as a whole - Jumps lower, rotates faster, and steers more neutrally and predictably than anything I’ve ever experienced. It just does what you want it to do. And to top it off. If you need more grip, you can remove the sway bars. Even on high-grip. We don’t run a front sway bar. Unless it’s extreme grip, and even then it’s very light. And for Super low-grip - No rear sway bar either! Nemo usually had all the parts we need..although there have been times where stuff is out of stock..many companies faced that during/post covid. I honestly think the shock package is the future..more ppl Will drive it and take notice. It’s already happening. Thanks for the content. Decently on point.

[@cdwag23]

should i buy an agama as my first 1/8 buggy? or should i buy a tekno and wait till im more experienced. im still a beginner messing around with an ancient sc10 2wd i bought from offerup. im just starting to understand tuning

[@Crabtronics]

@@cdwag23 well I am obviously biased, but the easier car to drive is the N1. I have friends much faster than myself that actually switched from the Tekno 2.1 to the agama (Smiley Henn) and his claims are that the agama “does everything his tekno struggled/couldn’t do, and it does them 10X’s better” That being said. You’ll wanna get the VRP V2 kit and follow the guidance of Mike Ankey, the owner of VRP. He’s on a terror making new parts and exploring the newly recognized benefits of dramatically lowered CG. He also stocks agama parts now that the NEMO USA store closed..Which is a con on the decision of agama Vs tekno. Parts are attainable for sure, but Nemo UK being the main supplier. NEMO’s US sales are in a weird transition where they are looking for more vendors to sell their products. Which is good though..there’s multiple vendors for agama products so maybe I’m just old and preferred buying my stuff from grumpy billy @ Nemo USA lol….the tekno is a damn good buggy, and parts aren’t really an issue. But it’s a twitchy car and isn’t as neutral..that being said the ET/NT 48 2.0 is the best truggy on the market..till agama releases the N1T..then we’ll see what’s up w/that.

[@hauntedhobbies]

I just picked up the Serpent SRX8-E RTR for driving around the house when I can't get to the track (which is pretty much all the time lately), and it's a great little platform. Quality components and so far, pretty durable. I haven't really yeeted it yet though, so we'll see. For a sub-$500 ($450ish rn) 8th RTR, it's solid. I do recommend going through it and checking the build though.

[@RcOffroad9513]

I run Serpent srx8 pro e-buggy mostly, but have the nitro buggy, E-truggy and 2wd carpet car. Serpent makes great stuff, but do not have much of a following in most areas. I think mostly due to the abundance of other more popular brands, (A.E., Tekno, and TLR) and it not being convenient, as far as parts support goes. I have about 5 friends that run serpent locally, but I am still usually the only serpent driver at a lot of races. I am looking to get a different e-buggy as their ebuggy is 3 years old and no hope of a new one in the near future... I'm ready for something else. 👍

[@freerangehuman1976]

Roach RC is extremely knowledgeable. I want him to be my best friend because I love RC.

[@kabf226]

Thank you for helping me out today . I learn a lot from you

[@ianklaus1797]

thank you these consistent, high quality, and informative videos!

[@jordanritchie2198]

Nice vid good info on all the buggys. And thanks for using my vid pretty cool!!!

[@malsmith2012]

Hi mate, just discovered your channel tonight and after watching a few vids had to write in and say what a great job you're doing.. Keep up the great work..

[@marksapollo]

Great videos. Personally I’d get one of these for bashing, and thus I’d buy a Mugen Seiki as they are so solid and tough. And you should be able to get parts for them here in the UK.

[@Shellbackrc]

Great video! Agama is a great brand very durable and easy to maintain my A215SV Ebuggy is very easy to drive as well which is why I'm still driving it but I have the A319 nitro just about ready to go for the 24 outdoor season!

[@claytonstephenson4939]

Love the video…. The Mp10e TKI2 is the same updated platform at the Mp10 TKI3. The difference is the new diff gears that help on soft blown out tracks as well as the new shock update that the nitro tki2 did not include.

[@p_hat]

liking your content brother, keep it up! cheers from AZ

[@cbh148]

I've liked my Tekno NB48 & EB48 buggies (both 2.0) which I bought new in 2020. Feel like it's not as common for somebody to buy new kits and stick with them for more than like a year and a half, but here I am a couple months from hitting the 4 year mark. I would buy the NB 2.1, but I don't like that they went back to a normal center diff that requires disassembling / dumping the oil just to change the bearings (they slip over the outdrives, only on NB48 2.0). Also, they removed the active toe pill options from the rear outboard arm ends. So this morning, I ordered 2.1 c-hubs, spindles, and camber links from an ebay kit breaker. The longer links for a slower camber curve are nice, but mainly I just don't like the 2.0 kingpin setup, which uses screws threaded into the plastic knuckles (+ set screws). Those plastic threads get destroyed at least every 1.5 gallons, but no more threads on the 2.1.

[@willcrowe980]

Another great Video man! Love what you said about every brand!

[@davidfountain6934]

Awesome video man! As far as "C"hub buggies go, I'm more partial to Kyosho or HB but are hard to scorce parts locally. Wish Associated would come out with a "C"hub conversion for the RC8 platform it would make them even more versatile. Anyway Merry Christmas!

[@MrPaperman90]

Great job 👍🏽

[@blsully]

Missed the Caster Racing ETO821. Another smaller brand, but I got one kind of by accident and have enjoyed driving it. It's a CHub car and they just recently released a .2 with some needed updates

[@simonpeterdalangpan9761]

SERPENT has been the Best buggy / truggy I've run 🔥

[@kosmokat111]

I love that shirt god damn.

[@PaddyPatrone]

Would have been nice if you had shown the chassis of the cars, just so we get an idea on what makes them unique.

[@adamlapid5201]

Serpent kits have part quality on par with Kyosho. Much of the Serpent On Road drive train efficiency is passed along to the off road cars.

[@brianmohr8119]

I run an Xray xb8 with the c hub conversion & love it. Only reason I tried it is because the Truggy is c hub stock & I liked the way it corners. So I tried it on the buggy & won’t go back.

[@eliascallin9748]

The serpent buggy is very good, I’ve driven it for a season and I broke one a-arm. Easy to drive straight out from the box. The e-buggy I’ve heard that it is very good!!

[@jggutierrez9]

@Roach Rc, do you know any information about Caster Racing?

[@Petriefied0246]

Another excellent video!

[@NewLifeeight]

I can imagine 8th scale Serpents being good after having their 10th scale buggy before

[@ClarkGraves-z6t]

Great video!!!

[@dizzychizzy1]

Hey roach, Would love to see how your going at the track of late… 1/8 … race overview for us guys itching to run but can’t… hell your probably in the same basket so I digress. GREAT TO SEE SOME SPONSORS GETTING INVOLVED!!

[@RoachRC]

I am indeed in that basket as well

[@leapnlarry]

When I raced in the early 2000s it was just kyosho and mugen, where is mugen in you video?

[@RoachRC]

Part 1

[@doubletakerc]

Great job as always. :)

[@KRC_Racing]

Infinity, Hong Nor, Team Corally and IGT8

[@tateevans9143]

Kyosho is the best car I’ve driven I may be switching to Sparko tho. HB is also good but idk what’s going on over there

[@IanF-FPV]

Great content on your channel. The history content is great. Brings back memories for me. Hey question for you. Have you seen the new Radio Master car radio that runs Edge Tx and ELRS? Thoughts on it?

[@RoachRC]

I have indeed. I'll be getting one soon enough when they make one that has more functionality

[@IanF-FPV]

@@RoachRC ok nice. What sort of options do you think it’s currently missing🤔

[@RoachRC]

Just a more intuitive menu selection like the Noble Nb4

[@IanF-FPV]

@@RoachRC Ok gotcha. Yeah I had a big issue with Radio Master giving out the radios to a bunch of FPV pilots like Joshua Bardwell and Mads Tech who don’t race RC cars at a competitive level to review. Should have been channels like this one.

[@Skynet5UK]

What is it about the Tekno design that makes it bad for high grip? Thought the 2.1 addressed the traction roll problems?

[@RoachRC]

It's heft and overall geometry, I'm a little hazy on the second part but Teknos tend to be quite heavy Bois

[@VestedUTuber]

Ugh... yeah, not going to get another TLR. I haven't raced in a while but I've got an 8ight 2.0. The 8ight 2.0 was dialed and super nimble, if a bit unforgiving at times. Then the 3.0 came out and Losi started focusing on making it easier to drive, at the expense of performance. Seems like that trend has continued so far that the 8ight X isn't even a contender anymore, and doesn't even do what they intended it to do.

[@rylansmith1798]

You will see more of serpent this year..

[@mouseFPV]

16:56 Track is TARCAR in Ohio. Great spot!

[@jayp9299]

How come you did not mention the hyper buggies? The new hyper SS is a very capable buggy and the ofna buggies have been around for a very long time. I do have the serpent buggy and love it and fine that it will hang with my Kyosho any day.

[@RoachRC]

Tbh I forgot about them

[@steveruta8746]

I love your shirt

[@RoachRC]

Thank you 😊

[@Kifrans]

I wanted to get a Tekno for Turf Racing 😅 What would be a good 8th scale Buggy for Turf?

[@RoachRC]

Agama probably

[@niz76]

I wonder if it's worth changing from my current JQ Black edition Ebuggy? I can still get parts but not sure for how much longer. Not sure if it's an outdated design as it's my first and only 8th scale ebuggy... I do like it btw. But then again- only ebuggy I've ever raced or even driven lol.

[@RoachRC]

If you like the JQ car I would go with the Mayako Ebuggy when that comes out as that's pretty similar

[@niz76]

I just broke a front arm last night at our local "Friday Night Lights" practice. Of course it's the one arm I don't have a spare of, and to my surprise- JQ parts site has been shut down! Grrrr.... Didn't realize my comment would come true so soon. Can't buy a replacement arm anywhere in the US that I can find now. Think I might just get an Associated or Mugen. Hmmm....@@RoachRC

[@RoachRC]

Mugen, better quality

[@ZingZingNZ]

You will be in a mayako soon, agama is so good for beginners like myself, but i dont own one. But cmon jq is a real man, so drive a mayonnaise. i mean mayako.. i love mine. I own 3 😆 🤣 Upgrades all the time and the car is getting so good. The new rear is amazing Ebuggy is soo good! I had a ebuugy prior to this video. 22r kit is so freken good! Sparko is a copy to ma..ko My mate brings in sparko to nz, but rather than hobbyshop we have local guys. So its about who is local. Auckland is HB with shane occoner, sparko wellington with Keegan at capital rc Mayo is my home track, Christchurch is team associated due to Phill And now, NZ fastest and i would say top 30 fastest in the world maybe 40 is Jayden Jamison. Gone from tekno now he is xray. So its about one key driver down under and each territory brand

[@bluecrabnitroracing4499]

Great video as always man. Even those I'm also, a Kyosho fanboy. It's okay. I admit it proudly ,you like what you like? You know? But I tell you one thing I'm not proud of is the RC community and the techno fans, especially to have treated you that way. I'm assuming. No excuse for that, this is RC racing is one of the best and enjoyable communities that I became a part of. Of. And to be completely honest I don't travel much so Phil Hurd Raceway is really my only barometer. But it's a great group of people. And I've really been grateful for the times the racing and the people there. It's a shame to hear such BS, when you know you put a lot of work into these videos. And you put out them good content which are greatly appreciate and respect. Even if I don't agree with something or do or don't, got to be respectful and be grown ups not children. Anyhow, I'm a done ranting, I enjoyed the video very much man. Thanks again 🦀🦀🦀🦀

[@RoachRC]

Thanks for the Kind words man. Lots of people I've met in the Tekno camp have been good to me. Just early on this one dude ruined it for me. Anywho. I'll be heading down to Phil Hurd Next year for sure.

[@davenorman8251]

Is Team Corally not a thing in the US.

[@Ciao-qy2ud]

Il brand WIRC prodotto in ITALIA e uno dei migliori buggy 1/8 migliori sul mercato.

[@todddooley793]

I couldn't break my serpent if i tried

[@curtiscochran6191]

What about X-ray? What do you think about those?

[@RoachRC]

I talk about them in the first part

[@omarvenegasgomez2194]

Do one for truggys

[@RoachRC]

Probably not. I feel I would just repeat what I say in this video

[@casterracing]

Forgot a brand of C-Hub car. 🙋. We've been around since 2004.

[@RoachRC]

My bad

[@ZingZingNZ]

I'm in New Zealand and I have never heard of caster racing.

[@christophermears7738]

Yep Traxxas sued HPI over a rubber seal. Claim the invented the waterproof radio box which had long been used in RC boats and the first 1/8 scale four-wheel drive buggy the kyosho land jump and that was made back in 1981 before there was a Traxxas anything. The best thing that could happen is tracks is going out of business someone else buying the company

[@kajex1rc351]

Heard what Tekno did to their past top team driver?

[@RoachRC]

Please elaborate

[@kajex1rc351]

It was an interview w Tebo where he describes how he was let go...maybe from the NN podcast@@RoachRC

[@kajex1rc351]

Please keep your channel going, it's very well done!💯

[@ZireaelX7]

mugen?

[@RoachRC]

Part 1

[@collinmorris]

I like tekno and it’s the best brand ever in the world and nothing else can compete with it for ever.

[@RoachRC]

Lol

[@dizzychizzy1]

Serpent looks very impressive to me and the price is low… I bought a HB truggy cause if my locally hobby store but might go serpent for my buggy just for something different… Hb buggies are never n stock. Serpent seams like a dedicated company

[@marthawatkins3466]

Xray?

[@RoachRC]

Part 1

[@ReyOrtiz-z3j]

If kyosho is not durable, how come they have won that many worlds? How many worlds have tekno won. When you say tekno are" indestructible ", that is misleading. All rc cars break...

[@RoachRC]

Durability and speed are two different disciplines

[@ReyOrtiz-z3j]

Are you aware of tekno issues on the rear diff (nitro)?? Don't mislead people that tekno don't break. Again all rc cars breaks..!! Bad thing about Kyosho parts are expensive because they are made in japan.

[@ReyOrtiz-z3j]

What car do you drive bro. Do you have them all??

[@RoachRC]

​@@ReyOrtiz-z3jAre you saying that Teknos *aren't* durable compared to other platforms?

[@RoachRC]

​@@ReyOrtiz-z3jI drive an Agama N1e

[@endosrc]

1:02 home track babyyyy

[@Ciao-qy2ud]

Ti sei domenticato il brend WIRC

[@triplepizza]

Ne parla nella parte 1

[@VestedUTuber]

You know, you really weren't wrong about Tekno fans. I just had to deal with a couple of them, and honestly they make me almost want to leave the hobby again. It's ridiculous how toxic they are. _Traxxas_ fanboys aren't this bad.

[@unorec1983]

Have not experienced that issue with tekno folks. I started 8th scale with associated. I kept breaking alot more parts than others of my skill level "solid D main driver" thought about losi but not as supported at my local track. The local tekno guys let me try their buggy and truggy and even cut me a hell of a deal on a used truggy. Haven't seen the fighting or bickering at the local track. I run associated for 10th scale as I'm a fan boy that grew up with the fold pan.

[@mrbutchee1]

Sorry brotha, i cant finish watching. Your whistling your S's. Or dragging them out. Its driving me nuts and is actually hurting my ears. Sorry no disrespect. Love your videos.

[@RoachRC]

Is okay