Every Insomniac Spider-Man Character From Weakest to Strongest

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SPOILERS FOR SPIDER-MAN 2!!!
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Who would win between Sable or Black Cat? Kraven or Lizard? Peter VS Miles? Today, Tylearned and I will answer those questions using the feats, statements, and calculations from the Insomniac Spider-Man series of games.
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Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is a 2023 action-adventure game developed by Insomniac Games and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment. It is based on the Marvel Comics character Spider-Man, and features a narrative inspired by its long-running comic book mythology which is also derived from various adaptations in other media. It is the third entry in the Marvel's Spider-Man series, acting as a sequel to Marvel's Spider-Man (2018) and a follow-up to Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales (2020). In this installment, Peter Parker and Miles Morales struggle to navigate the next steps in their personal lives while combating several new threats, including a private militia led by Kraven the Hunter, who transforms New York City into a hunting ground for super-powered individuals; and the extraterrestrial Venom symbiote, which bonds itself to Parker and negatively influences him, threatening to destroy his personal relationships.The gameplay builds on the foundation established by its predecessors, with an emphasis on the multiple playstyles afforded by Peter Parker and Miles Morales as Spider-Men. The game expands on their existing traversal and combat abilities, including new web-based gadgets and suits that can be unlocked through progressing in the story. It also introduces the former Spider-Man's symbiote suit, granting Parker unique abilities from his previous playable appearance. As with the prior games, content outside the main story consists of completing side-missions and obtaining collectibles dispersed throughout the game's open world, with the player able to switch between Parker and Morales to complete dedicated objectives for each of them.Discussions regarding a proper sequel to Marvel's Spider-Man began during the game's development, with open story threads for future titles being teased across both it and Miles Morales. The game was announced in September 2021. Creative director Bryan Intihar, game director Ryan Smith, narrative lead Jon Paquette and art director Jacinda Chew from Insomniac Games respectively reprise their duties from prior entries, while Yuri Lowenthal, Nadji Jeter and Laura Bailey return to headline the game's ensemble voice cast, which comprises other returning actors and characters from the previous games. Jim Pirri and Tony Todd join the ensemble as the voices of Kraven and Venom, respectively.Marvel's Spider-Man 2 was released for the PlayStation 5 on October 20, 2023 to critical acclaim. The game sold over 2.5 million units in 24 hours, becoming the fastest selling first-party title in PlayStation history.
Peter Parker starts his first day as a physics teacher at Brooklyn Visions Academy, with Miles Morales among his students, but they are interrupted by an attack by Sandman, requiring both of them to subdue him. Peter is fired for abandoning the class and returns to his Aunt May's home in Queens, which he has moved into following her death,[a] to meet with his girlfriend Mary Jane Watson. They are surprised to see their old friend Harry Osborn, who has miraculously recovered from his terminal illness. Harry offers to hire Peter to work at his new startup, the Emily-May Foundation (EMF), so they can "heal the world". Concurrently, Miles struggles to write his college application essay and learns that his mother Rio has begun dating.While overseeing a transfer of some of the Raft's inmates, Peter and Miles witness an attack by Kraven the Hunter and his forces, who capture Scorpion and Martin Li. While investigating Kraven, Peter discovers he is capturing super-powered individuals to hunt them for sport. Having already killed Scorpion and Vulture, Kraven attempts to capture Felicia Hardy next. On Peter and Mary Jane's behalf, Miles protects her and helps her escape to Paris. While visiting Coney Island to reconnect, Peter, Mary Jane, and Harry witness Kraven's hunters attack the park to capture Tombstone. While rescuing civilians caught in the crossfire, Harry learns about Peter's double life and reveals he was cured by Curt Connors via an organic exosuit that physically augments his body.With his powers rapidly developing, Harry helps Peter rescue Tombstone while Mary Jane discovers that Kraven has kidnapped Connors. The trio attempt to save Connors, but are unable to stop Kraven from forcibly turning him back into the Lizard. Connors escapes while Kraven mortally wounds Peter, though he is saved by Harry's exosuit, which transfers itself to his body. After Peter confronts Kraven with his newly enhanced powers, the latter develops an interest in hunting him personally.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Mary Jane with her gun is #1

[@NMbones98]

Ohh definitely that gun is capable of killing symbiotes tied to knull

[@brightspeed6782]

​@@NMbones98Every symbiote is tied to knull

[@NMbones98]

@@brightspeed6782 true but it's made really blatant here

[@aranha6285]

When will you update the DC Marvel Crossover

[@darthhorizon1735]

can you do Alex mercer or Cole McGrath vs ps spiderman

[@youfirst6611]

Looking at lizard and Sandman’s placements really make me ask the question of “How the hell did a younger/weaker peter beat them before this game?”

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Sandman likely never became giant, he was in a small vile in SM1; and Lizard in this game was given a stronger serum than he'd ever taken before and is stated stronger than ever by Insom. Hope that clears it up.

[@cristianadpr8779]

​@@CRISIS_COMICShe wasn't in the vile tho, Peter says he thinks he's there but from what i got from the sandman side quest he had left his criminal life until kraven attacked him, so probably Peter got some sand and since Marko didn't attack again he thought he captured him.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@cristianadpr8779 If Peter thinks he's in the vile then he deffo never beat giant Sandman; dude's fat ass is not fitting in there.

[@BullyHemsworth]

Pretty sure in the game, peter says that they got more powerful

[@cristianadpr8779]

@@CRISIS_COMICS oh yeah he definitely didn't i was just clarifying that he wasn't in the vile, i mean the first thing Peter does is try to punch him in the face i think if he had fought him before in that state he wouldn't have try to do that.

[@danielendless]

Miles was working overtime in this game, I can't believe his scaling in it

[@thephantazm5139]

I can. Miles is cracked in the comics

[@elijahealks6098]

Bro's even stronger in the comics, lmao. Hard to believe.

[@editornoob4606]

​@@elijahealks6098mans got a whole lightsaber💀 i couldn't believe it lmao

[@Rororandd]

Just fucking BLM thingy. Getting as strong as black suit Spidy in just 1 year is bullshit.

[@Rororandd]

@@Agent-57 more like Marry Sue

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

Also, keep in mind that during the Kraven the hunter boss fight Kraven himself said Peter was still holding back.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

He was holding back in the sense that he's not a killer, but MMA fighters for instance can fight at full power without trying to kill the other guy. I don't think Peter wasn't hitting Kraven as hard as he could,

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Which is really crazy because Symbiote Spider-Man can still keep up with Kraven despite him holding back because he’s not trying to kill Kraven “Yet” is a pretty remarkable feat.

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@CRISIS_COMICS And also it’s a no brainer that insomniac Venom would absolutely destroy Sony Venom lol.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo You're misunderstanding. You can hit your hardest and still not try to kill your opponent; it happens all the time.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@Blue-Apple-fc9eo Tom Hardy, probably. Topher? 😬

[@chuchi4435]

Solid. But idk Mj with her gun is like multi continental level and possibly low planetary (moon) if we want to be generous. Her keen detective skills are above that if the caped crusader and her gun is strong enough to one shot symbiotes. She also has legendary h2h training

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

She’s #1+

[@TheJLAMAR23]

Think y’all nailed this really. Pretty crazy how strong miles got in this game. His energy attacks and even combat skill alone really flew in this one.

[@jaccblikky8977]

Li was ranked way too low

[@Rororandd]

Also he's that one fucking disgusting main character that has everything perfect in his life unlike Peter. The main problem Miles had was an Essay that he couldn't write, while Peter paying giant bills and losing dream job

[@ExtremeEnthusiast704]

​@@Rororanddperfect? Yeah he's supported by family, friends and doesn't have to worry about his financial situation. Peter has just had too much tragedy happen to him.

[@elijahealks6098]

@@Rororandd he lost is dad and best friend in less than a years time? The fuck are you on about? The only reason he's doing better than Peter is because he has a great support system with his classmates, his mother, Peter and MJ and doesn't need to keep a job and pay the bills.

[@Rororandd]

@@ExtremeEnthusiast704 and that's why I love Peter more. He's just not boring to watch, and is embodiment of Spider-Man that chooses between personal life and being hero. While Miles... Yeah, he's strong, good and all, but he's way too close to that "Perfect" main character. I really see that they want to put Peter aside and make Miles almost the main point. I know what masterpiece of a plot was in 2018 and what came with Morales dlc. I really don't like it to be that way. 2018's story was about a simple person that can save the whole city, stop six of the most dangerous villains and almost anything. But in the end he simply couldn't save his aunt. And he came to this in 8 years of being spider man. While Miles, uhh... Can already beat the shit out of black suit Peter. Well, really cool, but I don't give a shit about this Mary Sue. If Miles is really so cool, I want to be born black in the next life

[@CoolOkay_]

14:03 True, however, for this specific scene, I think it's fair to argue it's a awkward position for Peter. It's much easier to push someone's arm downwards while you're on top of them. But overall, Miles was still relative in the full context of the fight, just wanted to point that scene out in particular.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

You been on top of a lot of dudes???

[@dull1831]

@@CRISIS_COMICS you haven't?

[@NMbones98]

I agree and also Peter was literally fighting for control during that particular moment until it was pretty blatant the symbiote shoved miles off

[@CoolOkay_]

@@CRISIS_COMICS I plead the 5th! 🗣️

[@iandean6316]

Are you guys still talking about Peter getting pinned down? Or you guys planning to get on top of dudes?

[@aidanshowers8366]

I am not surprised sandman is as high as he was. Especially since he has very specific and even circumstantial weaknesses, which even then if he gets a large enough supply of sand he could bounce back from any damage done to him.

[@masonstewart6232]

Even though Marko is a more difficult threat to take down, Venom is a much more challenging threat. While Sandman was only damaged by his two weaknesses, the Spider-men didn't have too extreme trouble dealing with him. Meanwhile, Venom is slapping Peter and Miles with both of them using all of his weaknesses as much as they can and getting assisted by Mj. Not to mention, like you said, Harry is fighting back against Venom, leaving him more moments of vulnerability. If Venom decided to attach to someone more dangerous, it probably be all over. For how I see it, Marko is more of a defensive threat, and Venom offensively is more of an offensive threat. Also btw, nobody gonna mention that Insomiac Venom is lacking one of his two defined weaknesses, fire?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Peter nearly died against Sandman and Miles was thrown a mile away…. Venom has no way to take down Sandman.

[@mlgguythemlgest]

Well the questions are. How good can venom regenerate? And does Venom need to breathe?. Like if Venom doesn't need to breathe. Marko can't suffocate him.

[@Arumia13]

Venom is completely resistant to fire and heat in this universe

[@masonstewart6232]

​@@Arumia13Much more resistant than he usually is

[@masonstewart6232]

​@@CRISIS_COMICSSandman doesn't have any great ways to take down Venom either, and you also say this like both Peter and Miles Didn't almost die to Venom as well. I personally think they both tie

[@joaquinrojas7984]

I honestly think Electro is not dead. He will come back for sure, as pure energy.

[@NMbones98]

That could definitely be something we don't even know how he actually died the recording wasn't even descriptive of his death other than kraven basically saying he was fodder.

[@r0cket104]

@@NMbones98i believe kraven didn’t even take him serious didn’t view him as prey just robbed him and left him around

[@kobayashi1194]

I really, really hope that’s the case

[@giancarlo_fre8]

Honestly the best power scaling videos on KZbin right here. Hope to look forward on more power scaling videos!

[@reubenapply1624]

Didn't Kraven said in his notes that shocker gave him the best and toughest fight while electro was the easiest?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Kraven also had prepped more before fighting Electro based on his shock absorbing gloves.

[@mattk_p]

That's funnt because you would think electro would be a lot tougher than shocker

[@mattk_p]

funny*

[@thesithofearth3617]

​@@mattk_pi mean, shocker (if he wasnt a petty criminal and actually went all out) would be able to level city blocks. Spiderman has stated that he's kinda lucky that Shocker doesnt usually go all out

[@mattk_p]

@@thesithofearth3617 I know but I’d just expect electro to be the headrest opponent for him. I don’t think Kraven would have won if he didn’t somehow suppress the electricity

[@datboimazz]

Another Banger Crisis haven’t missed all month🙏🏾💪🏾🔥

[@tylerbaker6311]

At least the way I interpreted things, Venom with the Meteorite where he could actively corrupt most of NYC was the "escalated threat" compared to Sandman's attack, with both giving a similar feel of the city being overtaken. Venom has stronger minions, has the scale to basically non-stop brawl with Sandman, and while he doesnt have the outwright counters to Sandman, he can probably fight him eternally while he gets even more minions and scales higher due to taking over the world. Thoughts?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Venom doesn’t scale to the meteor and never gets a chance to use it, stronger minions is debatable since Spidey struggles with both of them in cutscenes. Venom also never took over the world…

[@tylerbaker6311]

@@Warlord-dc5un I was just thinking that when they're fighting, it'll probably be a lot like Peter and Miles going up against him. Giant punches and obstacles thrown at Venom. If the Spider boys can go up against him long enough to set up their combo, then Venom shouldn't have a problem at all keeping up with Sandman basically for an infinite amount of time, considering we never see any type of fatigue from Venom. So if they were to fight, I don't think Sandman has any outs to defeat Venom, and his best thing he could do would be to stalemate, while Venom would be able to make lieutenants, have better minions, and possibly be able to use Harry's mind to strategize somewhat. We know that Venom has the cunning to threaten MJ as a strategy to lure Peter out, so it's possible that that could A. Be applied to a battle situation for better strategy, or B. Be used to realize he had a better long game and scales higher if he prolonged the conflict over a week for example, or however long it would take to conquer the world.

[@evangingerson1271]

Venom never went his full potential

[@tylerbaker6311]

@@evangingerson1271 I don't think he needs full potential. I think as is, Vendom with meteor would stalemate Sandman, and could be put over the edge by passive minion amounts scaling

[@tylerbaker6311]

​​@@stevecavalleI'm pretty sure that he molly whopped Miles and Peter non-stop WITH Harry actively working against Venom. They get some tempo when they double up, but they never do anything that shows damage or durability loss.

[@WildYelectric]

Bro, my man Peter was stuck with a fridge on top of him. It’s like they dislike Peter. He was so nerfed. Mary Wick was unbelievable also. MJ got rid of the symbiote easily And if I had a dollar every time Peter said: “I’m sorry”, “Thank you for saving me” or all the times they had to save Peter because of his incompetence, I would be Andrew Tate rich.

[@lordyoda9382]

I think the reason why she got rid of it easier because she just got it ig? And Peter was also trying to help her snap out of it.

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

That’s him being humble?

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@DarthWudan Me when I don’t understand the character of Peter Parker:

[@spider-man500]

​@@Blue-Apple-fc9eoIn the earlier comics Peter wasn't a snivelling bitch. He was kind and humble, but he knew when someone was being an asshole or lying to him. And made sure that they could not do it to him.

[@spider-man500]

​@@Blue-Apple-fc9eoAnd you misunderstood what he was trying to say. The issue is that Peter needed A LOT of saving in this game. More than he should against things he should not need saving, let alone from Miles or fucking MJ. Peter should not have to be in the position to even be an overly apologising bitch But Insomniac has now shown where their true intentions laid They started out well with Spider-Man PS4, but not shown they actually wanted to ruin Peter.

[@itsamebenjamintennyson1230]

Two things that I think should be mentioned here. 1) Peter says if the other guy's bigger so it doesn't need to mean that he accepts that Rhino is stronger. But he does say perfect example when Miles suggests that Rhino is stronger than him. So either one can win I guess. 2) Peter always holds back, even against the Rhino or the Lizard it falls in line with his character. So it would make sense that he would hold back against a guy who looks like a body builder like Kraven. So I don't think Kraven should be above Spider-man. Also the reason he couldn't get the antidote past Lizard's hide wasn't because of his lack of strength. The reason being the antidote container or the needle getting damaged in the process makes the most sense.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

If Peter always holds back then there is no way to prove his full power could beat Kraven, because we have no idea how strong that hypothetical Peter is. You're making an assumption based on the needle when that was never stated, and the needle ultimately worked so it wasn't damaged. NO MEAT RIDING IN MY COMMENTS!!!

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@spidermanonetaps And I have Black Suit Peter above Kraven...but Miles would also be holding back; more so than a Symbiote Peter who just told his girlfriend that she stinks and is letting his bff die of cancer LMAO

[@itsamebenjamintennyson1230]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Not meat riding, just pointing something out. The needle would have been broken if Peter had tried to shove it through Lizard's skin, that's why he decided to inject the needle in his gums Spiderman held back against Kraven even in their second fight, and unless you want to argue that symbiote suit Spider-Man, while holding back, is stronger than an enraged base Peter, Spider-Man should be above Kraven. Not to mention his Spider sense would give him an edge.

[@itsamebenjamintennyson1230]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Peter did fight Kraven just before fighting Miles while Miles was able to get some rest after his fight with Mister Negative. But you did put symbiote suit Spider-Man above Miles so it's ok I guess.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@itsamebenjamintennyson1230 Again, you're making assumptions. He never said it would break; needles bypass dura by having small surface area. It's why anyone can easily break a needle with their fingers while still being able to get pierced by one. We have 0 idea where enraged Peter scales; so yes. Black Suit Peter is >.

[@lazygenius3139]

I have been waiting on this video!! Been supporting you for a while now crisis proud to keep supporting and props to a dope video broski!

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Hope it lives up to your expectations! I appreciate the continued support!

[@lazygenius3139]

@CRISIS_COMICS I can say for sure I'll be here for the long run, man, and yes, the video was pretty awesome

[@alexpergjoni4880]

@@CRISIS_COMICSwhere’s the miles morales villains like the tinkerer or smth.

[@TKaz10]

NICE! i was hoping you would make this

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@peckz.]

I love this video, I think the placements are really accurate and well done and it just gives you good data and you can imagine how Peter would have beaten his foes in his past years.

[@debater452]

I find it really silly and contrived that an experienced Peter would ever lose the a jobber like the Rhino who he has beat multiple times as he did in the Miles game

[@NMbones98]

Even a jobber can get a lucky shot ounce and a blue moon it's not that outlandish man.

[@Arceedits]

@@stevecavallebecause zeb wells is a terrible writer and nerfed Peter just like this game also has

[@Arceedits]

@@stevecavalle I know your gonna say he locked him in a container with scorpion but his suit was smoking and fucked up Spider-Man was embarrassing both of them at the same time, even if rhino in insomniacs universe was buffed like how kraven was he wasn’t like that in the first game. It’s just as soon as miles came into it they don’t want Peter the white Spider-Man to do well they gotta bring him down to up miles even though they could just have them both be good 🤷‍♂️ that’s why there’s a lot of people that don’t like miles because ever since he was introduced whenever Peter is around they disrespect him to appease miles which is so weird because they could have them both just be cool and it wouldn’t negatively effect miles and he would actually have more fans

[@humanman9920]

That wasn't a proper fight . That was Rhino rampaging around the city and the spidermen trying to save people , i see no other reason for Peter to be stuck at Rhino's back till he gets knocked out .

[@ll-starryy-ll]

@@stevecavallepeter can very obviously overpower rhino based off feats alone like what r u on💀😭

[@spider-man500]

What did they do to my boi Peter? They seriously nerfed him in Spider-Man 2 too overpower Miles

[@captain2s404]

The only thing you get it in this video is miles stronger than peter base

[@jasonblack2477]

​@@stevecavallenah peter got nerfed

[@elijahealks6098]

​@@jasonblack2477Spiderman 2 villians are stronger. Doc ock is a joke compared to Venom, Lizard and Kraven.

[@kaishajacobye]

@@stevecavallePeter def. got nerfed. Where the hell were his anti venom abilities (in the cutscenes) when fighting venom??? He was literally holding back from harming his best friend harry. If it was eddie brock, he would of stopped holding back as much, and started utilizing his anti venom abilities.

[@purevessel4506]

Or maybe just maybe Kraven and Venom are stronger than the sinister six. I mean idk Kraven killing half of them should’ve made it obvious

[@dull1831]

Great video! Genuinely shocked at how strong Miles turned out to be in this game, just definitively above base Peter by a wide margin

[@NMbones98]

More like his energy projection it's not really that surprising he has more abilities than Peter but in combat, strength, experience Peter is over miles.

[@Sonyoucef]

​@@NMbones98No miles has seen even in his game has shown better feat that include durability and power , he outclass peter in the P.S part

[@NMbones98]

@@Sonyoucef explain because I disagree miles feats don't trump 8 years of fighting the same villains and he took on the sinister 6 by himself not all at once but by himself.

[@redhood1997]

Miles is stronger than base peter and miles is Able to rival Symbiot peter so go cry Somewhere else lol

[@redhood1997]

Same miles has gotten stronger over the games

[@leronelcock5765]

Great job

[@Kateri-the-SSJ-Inferno]

From what I know, Base Peter has better physical stats (possibly excluding speed and agility) compared to Base Miles, but Miles has more power and hax with his venom powers and abilities with that and his camoflauge. Also, one more thing. Peter was battling the suit's influence during his fight with Miles, which potentially means he wasn't fighting with his full potential.

[@NMbones98]

I was surprised how the symbiotes like peter and venom were resilient against miles venom strikes like they literally weren't even slowing down with those venom strikes sound was doing the most damage.

[@redram6080]

It's because symbiotes are immune to fire and heat in general I'm this universe. The damage electricity does is heat based

[@NMbones98]

@@redram6080 yep which is why miles power's aren't as strong as many might think his abilities are different in this universe it's more electricity based and in the comics he had more of a potentncy to his abilities especially in the ultimate comics.

[@Lo_wya]

@@NMbones98his electricity is still super op. Not to mention he actually uses it to amp his speed which probably makes him the fastest character in this series. Even electro would have a hard time beating him in terms of speed bc on top of having the electric powers he also has spider powers.

[@trvpmusic2569]

​@@redram6080yeah but they are weak to Miles Venom blast this is how Miles was able to defeat Carnage, Venom, Grendel and go toe to toe with Knull himself if this was comic accurate Miles would have ended Venom early on lol

[@trvpmusic2569]

But also Antivenom peter should have been able to stop this as soon as he got Antivenom like Peter should have been the boss battle to Venom not the other way around both Miles and Peter should have ended this with Ez with the gifts they have of this was comic accu

[@agrilsunil1]

Also note that Peter is holding back in every encounter.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Not relevant

[@ishanarun5357]

@@CRISIS_COMICS how

[@markrocksfordaze]

@@CRISIS_COMICSYes it is 😂

[@humzasiddiqui5761]

@@ishanarun5357not relevant in spiderman 2 game unless talking about the venom fight

[@ishanarun5357]

@@humzasiddiqui5761 so he isn't holding back?????

[@themaninblack8271]

This is by far the best ranking video for Insomniac Spidey I've seen so far, it's logical, fair and has a lot of common sense.

[@thephantazm5139]

Glad yall did represented the peter miles fight properly on both sides. Though idk if pete got a boost from miles i think it was just from negative which also mister negative gave miles a boost aswell

[@WildYelectric]

Web of Shadows Spider-Man all the way 💯 Spider-Man stopped a whole Alien Invasion pretty much by himself with no sleep, etc Shame they went minimal with the Symbiote. I was hoping to shift back into and out of the symbiote and more powers

[@jsgmr9948]

I don't care what people say about this game for me it will be one of my favorite spiderman games.

[@WildYelectric]

@@jsgmr9948 and more power to you bro if you did 💯

[@twerkingspider-man5634]

Ripping Wolverine in half was pretty insane feat ngl

[@kaponosucks]

Trash game and trash story

[@excaliburknight1016]

I feel like there's one key element to remember here, Peter in SM2 is not operating at peak power. Hear me out. 1. He kept talking about being a better Spider-Man when he bonded with the symbiote. It was clear he was feeling impotent and downtrodden to a certain extent, unable to handle the hunter situation properly. Why is that? 2. Aunt May's death. This is not like Uncle Ben's where he was "responsible" for it. Here, he made up the conscious choice of letting her go. It's even shown to be the deepest pain the symbiote is using to latch on its remnant. This definitely affects his perception of self which would explain why he was being thrown around so much. 3. He's stressed beyond belief. No job and was recently fired, having to take care of May's house, mentoring Miles, and recovering from SM1. There's a lot on his mind and his life as Peter is all over the place. Kind of similar to Raimi SM2 Spider-Man No More homage. If a breakup with MJ and all that stress led to him losing his powers, I can't imagine how much of a blow May's death, that he thought he caused, would be. 4. Notice how his Spider-Sense is kinda wonky here? Like how Peter's organic webs were failing in RSM2? To me, this just solidifies how Peter was actually not performing at peak performance. Yet despite all that, he still performed well and can contend with enemies far greater than those in the past. So to me, he could very well still be above. Now that he's got time to rest and be with MJ, taking care of his Peter life, we'll probably see the true extent of his powers in SM3.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

4 step cope protocol ^

[@excaliburknight1016]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Seems people were right. Enjoyed the video, but you treat everything like an attack.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@excaliburknight1016”People” lmao. An attack implies I’m threatened. Addressing your incorrect beliefs can be a daunting task, as it's not just a matter of providing a simple correction. When someone's misconceptions are deeply ingrained or cover a wide range of topics, it can take an enormous amount of time to systematically address and clarify each point. Imagine it like trying to untangle a complex knot; you'd need to meticulously work through each strand, and in some cases, there might be layers upon layers of misunderstanding to unravel. This is why it might feel like it would take an eternity to explain why you're incorrect. Furthermore, engaging in such a lengthy discussion can be mentally and emotionally draining for both parties. It often involves providing evidence, citing sources, and patiently addressing counterarguments, all of which require significant effort. While it's important to promote accurate information, the sheer magnitude of the task can make it seem almost impossible to fully correct deeply rooted misconceptions.

[@excaliburknight1016]

@@CRISIS_COMICS TL;DR, you're mistaken, don't wanna argue. Was it really that hard to say? Clearly you're not too tired to write that lengthy explanation.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@excaliburknight1016 It is with a heavy heart that I must convey the undeniable truth of your lack of skill and utter unworthiness of engaging in any debate. Your ineptitude is a testament to a profound absence of intellectual prowess, leaving you stranded in a barren wasteland of ignorance. Your contributions to any discourse resemble feeble attempts at constructing meaning from a scattered heap of uninformed thoughts, a pitiful display of incompetence that serves only to undermine the very essence of meaningful debate. In a world where knowledge and insight are the currency of intellectual discourse, you stand as an impoverished beggar, incapable of even recognizing the riches of wisdom that lie beyond their meager grasp. Engaging with you in debate is akin to squandering precious time on a fruitless endeavor, a soul-crushing exercise in futility that offers no hope of enlightenment or progress. With my superior grasp of the intricate interplay between Batman and Nightwing, I have effortlessly navigated the dynamic complexities of their mentor-protege relationship, unveiling the nuanced layers of trust, camaraderie, and shared skill level that defines their crime-fighting partnership. In the vast tapestry of existence, you are a mere inconsequential thread, devoid of significance or purpose. Your actions, words, and very existence seem to echo through the void, unnoticed and unremarkable. It is as if you have become a ghostly specter, fading into the background noise of life, devoid of any discernible impact or meaning. Your presence is but a fleeting shadow, easily overlooked and swiftly forgotten, a poignant reminder of the profound insignificance that can permeate the human experience. In a world teeming with vibrant personalities and remarkable achievements, you are, regrettably, an embodiment of irrelevance, destined to be forever eclipsed by the brilliance of others.

[@Dumbell101]

I feel like spider-man could be placed higher with especially how much he holds back, even kraven said that he was still holding back

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

He only meant holding back in the sense that he won’t kill Kraven. UFC fighters are hitting as hard as they can but they aren’t trying to kill anyone. We have no idea where bloodlusted base Peter goes so he’s < Kraven.

[@shaggy3741]

Man, this is a great video. It’s kinda crazy how powerful Miles got. Spider-Man 3 better give some more epic fights and characters. Keep up the good videos! And well done to Tylearned too.

[@milk8601]

1:43-D Tier 3:19-C Tier 6:48-B Tier 10:16-A Tier 13:19-S Tier 15:38-S+ Tier

[@Yabadabadoodoo198]

Tysm bro

[@arthurlobao2642]

Why the fuck is hammerhead in his final armor in D ?

[@AwesomeArachnid]

Crisis you deserve 1m subscribers

[@lucasjohnson170]

This is what exactly I needed after starting my second play through

[@netflixmembresia445]

Mary Jane can reduce easily trained soldier being a regular human being Just an absolute off the charts secret power

[@randomguy3080]

It is funny how the rock paper scissors battle would work, with all the electricity that Sandman generated, Electro would have a field day with him, same with venom if he could just use the electricity to vaporize venom, but yet he died to kraven, and Kraven even said it was a waste of time

[@xdenoxxl]

They did peter so dirty in this one, bro needed saving multiple times in the main story and in a side mission 😭ít all started after pete lost to rhino for no reason

[@mattk_p]

Let's be honest, the only reason Pete lost to Rhino was to show off Miles

[@captain2s404]

@@mattk_pRhino is stronger than spidey in strengh

[@talentroller4413]

@@captain2s404but spidey is faster, smarter and has more versatility. not to mention peter already beat rhino in the first game who was double teaming with scorpion. he got written poorly just for them to give spotlight to miles

[@debater452]

​@@talentroller4413We don't even know if there was a 1v1 fight

[@talentroller4413]

@@debater452 if he defeated rhino and scorpion in a 2v1 its obvious logic he’ll defeat him in a 1v1

[@Dirteater123]

15:30 could also be argued that Venom too was holding back since all he was trying to do was convince Peter to join him and ''heal'' the world , either way , Great video.

[@retardedsaness800]

yeah he could have killed peter very early

[@tienluong9648]

I completely agree with your Number 1

[@ramirosapo]

Good video my friend, fabulous. One question, who do you think will win, Insomniac Sandman or Raimi Sandman? (not necessarily in its big ways)

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

You may find out soon…

[@GrabaCuppaPodcast]

I hate how Peters being shafted in this game. The SpiderMen should have a good balance. Sure Miles has more power but Peter is physically stronger and smarter, causing Miles to have to rely on his venom abilities and camo. I still think Pete would beat Miles in a one on one and you cant convince me otherwise

[@cenoking]

Thanks for the video would you mind doing a video on Stephanie Brown

[@NonAryanDuck]

They thought they could drop fire and i wouldn't notice 😤🔥

[@rapidgaming4703]

symbiote peter was 100% conflicted and fighting the symbiote influence against miles

[@NMbones98]

Not only that but that bell was literally how miles won without it miles would have lost as the venom powers weren't really slowing him down and his stealth ability was completely useless he wouldn't have been able to catch his breath he would have burned out.

[@spider-man500]

​​@@NMbones98That...and the game gave Miles both Plot AND boss fight armor There was no way to lose, even if he ABSOLUTELY should of

[@ZebsWorld]

⁠@@NMbones98miles was holding back in the fight & still had the upper hand. His fight against Peter just like how Peter was holding back Vs scream Miles wouldn’t want to hurt Peter. No excuses, plus using ur opponents weakness is part of fighting.

[@NMbones98]

@@ZebsWorld there are no excuses if the bell was not present miles wouldn't have beaten Peter it's pretty simple they were both holding back eventually the symbiote would have killed miles if it took over peter

[@NMbones98]

@@spider-man500 true we all knew miles would get the symbiote off Peter before the game even dropped

[@Goji-C]

Bro works quick

[@8thgod769]

Yeah u guys r spot on I defo feel like miles could be argued but at the end of the day the venom symbiote was too much for him at its full power

[@iiCLOAK_0000]

The knife that stabbed Peter might be the strongest 😭😭😭

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Could NOT be Tobey!

[@vortigan6566]

It's funny how the first boss of the game is the strongest one, usually in other games the first boss is the weakest or one of the weakest

[@willyboi1105]

I think it shows the Spider-Men working together and how they could defeat a really difficult enemy if they were on the top of their game. The rest of the game, the Spider-Men were either separated or dealing with their mental issues. Even the last fight with Venom, the Spider-Men weren't really working together, it was a tag team 1v1 except for a small segment where they both beat up Venom in the air.

[@jadelgentles2361]

I agree with this list 👌 💯

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Real.

[@celestialsoldier622]

Knew Miles would be stronger. Peter was pathetic in this game. They nerfed the hell out of him to make Miles seem better. 100% expected this to happen.

[@lordyoda9382]

Miles ain’t stronger than Peter. Peter shown better feats and also got the symbiot.

[@udonnauchegbu2018]

They were already setting up this narrative when Miles was able take Rhino down solo while Peter was KO'ed in Spider-Man Miles Morales

[@spiderxparker_]

@@lordyoda9382bro didn’t play Spider-Man 2

[@lordyoda9382]

@@udonnauchegbu2018I mean Peter faced rhino plenty of times and won.

[@celestialsoldier622]

@@lordyoda9382 Stop coping bro. They made Peter a B**ich in this game. Bro was even asking Miles for advice and the plan to defeat Venom.

[@goodluckudeonwe]

Venom would be S tier for me. He was destroying anti venom peter and miles+Blue electricity.

[@trvpmusic2569]

Comic Antivenom amd Miles would DESTROY venom but I guess it makes the story longer to take away his weaknesses 😂

[@tjz3158]

Sandman to my knowledge at least is the only Spiderman villain that is impossible to kill. The only thing keeping Sandman from going pure evil is his morals and his daughter.

[@kickonbums710]

Lol no. Hydro man exists and stomps sandman

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

@@kickonbums710that’s literally his anti venom brother he is water

[@ForTheHorde05]

I would love to see an Insomniac Venom Powerscaling Video. That would be sick!

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Ty is cooking one up!

[@TheDiggity42]

I do wonder what exactly Marko *did* to get as strong as he got. If Peter had fought and beat him enough times for the familiarity they have, there’s no way Sandman wouldn’t have tried going to a beach and absorbing it to himself before. So was he just unable to before?

[@xeox4280]

Plot armor

[@Arumia13]

I doubt mark was ever trying to destroy like he was now, I’m guessing before he was a bank robber, he’s was still a good guy and eventually went straight, I doubt he wanted to destroy anything, But in this scene his mind was broken he didn’t know whether his daughter was alive and was lashing out trying to find her

[@mattk_p]

It's so stupid that they nerfed Peter so hard in this game. Base Peter vs base Miles, Peter should be winning that 9 times out of 10. And Peter needed so much saving in this game, its like he hasn't been Spiderman for the past 8 years.

[@Dwyer-nl9fz]

Its been 10 years iam pretty sure by this point, bloody silly how they portrayed him in this game.

[@elijahealks6098]

Nigga forgot that these threats blow anything from Spiderman 1 out of the water. Kraven literally no diffed 4 of Sinister Six, Lizard is hella stronger, Sandman as well, and Venom is a monster from hell.

[@sentientmustache8360]

Did we all collectively forget how Peter was constantly overpowering Venom during the last minutes of the battle?

[@foxolocation3853]

@@chandllerburse737Sandman is different. Pete’s reaction to the clones and his old “strat” not working in the slightest makes it evident that Mario was built different this time around

[@purevessel4506]

@@chandllerburse737 Sandman and Lizard were far stronger this time around

[@KeyIssues]

I only showed up for the Nsaber discount.

[@randomguy3080]

Spider says that if he become pure energy that the avenges couldn’t even stop him, I’m sure Tony could come up with something

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Insom-verse Tony might be stupid

[@kabutoyakushi3247]

Ain't no way Dock Ock is that low. Peter needed the Anti-Ock suit to evenly match him.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Peter had broken bones and had been fighting for over a day straight at least, and would be holding back hella hard against his mentor and friend.

[@DerekAdams3]

​@@CRISIS_COMICSyou literally claimed in other comments that Pete holding back doesn't affect the ranking. Now you're using that argument to try and defend yours. Learn how to accept different opinions without trying to bully people

[@Mr.Wiggles445]

​@@DerekAdams3cooked

[@ssgsscanadianhawk3339]

​@DerekAdams3 checkmated that narcissistic clown lmao

[@I-S-C]

@@DerekAdams3you cooked crisis

[@z1no3n]

I know blud worked overtime to put this video out this early

[@99jmaster]

I know this is probably too late to ask but since Iron Man VR takes place within the insomniac Marvel stuff where would you rank the characters that show up in that game in this list?

[@michaeliv284]

Unrelated, but i lovecthe face Electro and Vulture actually worked as a team

[@shafialanower3820]

Peter was embarrassingly nerfed in spidernan 2

[@darko-simple-art-]

Facts! Its Pathetic what they did to him

[@Dwyer-nl9fz]

Yep very disappointing

[@humanman9920]

More like the other characters were buffed . Well Peter was too but ig you're not counting anything other than base.

[@Quet723]

Nerfed? Bro was tossing heavenly armored trucks nd goin up against aliens solo 😭

[@Dwyer-nl9fz]

@@Quet723 and he also couldn’t lift a fucking fridge off himself

[@Kade_Kapes]

My question is, what the hell did Peter do to defeat Sandman before Miles came along?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

He probably never got that huge

[@Kade_Kapes]

@@CRISIS_COMICS You think his buff may have been from that chemical that Kraven’s hunters put on him?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@Kade_Kapes Maybe!

[@hyperkirby0143]

From how Peter talks about the situation, it seems Sandman this time around was simply far stronger than he’s ever been, he’s never had his mini sand clones before, from how Peter acts it seems his regeneration after all the water was very unexpected as well, plus the fact that Peter seems to have not thought about using electricity before and it was made as a spur of the moment idea.

[@Kade_Kapes]

@@hyperkirby0143 I know Peter is supposed to be a super genius, and he probably should have thought of electricity before, but to be fair, the first thing I think of is water because of all the video game bosses with him.

[@SlxmeLxss]

I really love the Insomniac Spider-Men they are my favorite Spider-Men in Spider-Man history

[@Zach-un2js]

You should do a cole vs insomniac spidy next i am really interested on who you think is gonna win on that fight

[@SkinnyNugget]

i don't think the symbiotes are weak to electricity in this game, just sound. i believe that miles' electricity is just that powerful and im pretty sure bryan intihar confirmed it was just sound.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

That interview came out after I wrote this lmao. I think there's still evidence to say that they at least don't resist electricity, like Superman VS magic. Overall it does look good for Miles.

[@SkinnyNugget]

@@CRISIS_COMICS yeah that's a good comparison tbh and i agree i think

[@user-cf7gt1ne8k]

What was kraven gonna do against sandman why was sandman scared of kraven and his goons. But tylearn in a crisis video nice

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Kraven would die against giant Sandman unless he employed insane levels of prep. 🏜️

[@lordyoda9382]

The reason why sandman is scared of Kraven is because he a extremely powerful hunter and will most likely know his weakness, his family. Kraven will most likely target his family to make him a monster he once was. And Kraven goons are basically everywhere and can be anyone.

[@kaijukingdom2686]

@@CRISIS_COMICSTo be fair he did kill Electro, who as *You* said was probably an Avengers level threat, and guess what. He was disappointed heavily in one of his audio logs.

[@user-cf7gt1ne8k]

⁠@@kaijukingdom2686 electro basically is wasted potential to kraven he is essentially a god who is limited by the fact he is an idiot. That’s why he’s disappointed he could become an avengers level threat and surpass everyone on the list that’s why it says “potential” he’s sorta like the shocker who if he had the drive to attain power and be feared he would be a gang leader supplying goons with his tech but doesn’t as he just wants to be rich

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@kaijukingdom2686 **I** said he was, guess what, *potentially* an Avengers level threat. His harness only brought him a bit closer.

[@_portalmaster]

I feel like sandman is very variable in terms of power level, if placed in an indestructible room with sable she could probably beat him, however when placed in the city he can gain anything from none to being powerful enough to beat miles and Peter together. I personally would of left him as below venom and anti venom on a list like this.

[@crane7472]

What would Sable even do against him? Even with the minimum amount of sand in his body, Sable would get wrecked by Sandman.

[@DanVerbatim]

Damn this is almost my exact list lmao

[@SpiderDroider]

no way blud forgot ps4 peter scales to 616 Peter ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️💀💀 Anti venom>Symbiote peter>Base peter>miles

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

616 Peter can be anywhere from wall level to herald level depending on his mindset; saying he "scales to 616" doesn't mean anything☠☠☠☠☠☠☠💀💀☠☠☠☠☠☠☠💀💀 Also the writer of that comic said he doesn't even know if it's canon to the games LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Even if you ignore that, Miles would just scale above 616 Peter anyway based on this game. Anti venom>miles~Symbiote peter>Base peter~holding back 616

[@SpiderDroider]

@@CRISIS_COMICS the fucking comic gets mentioned on the Official sm2 prequel it is canon bro 💀💀💀💀 Also ps4 Miles is multi city block-town level due to him barely surviving the Harlem explosion 616 is city level (ignoring plot armor+outliers) PS4 is comparable if not equal to 616 you see what i mean

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@SpiderDroider The prequel comic isn't on the same level of canon as the game, where Peter hasn't heard of the multiverse and doesn't recognize these spider-bots that resemble people he's allegedly met. The game contradicts Geddon and the prequel comic so they aren't canon to the game. 616 when holding back is far less than city level, PS4 in the non canon comics kicked a shitty clone body Otto who's weaker than normal Doc Ock, and fought a holding back 616 who currently can't beat Vulture and holds back unconsciously. Do your homework son!

[@SpiderDroider]

@@CRISIS_COMICS source: i made it the fuck up The fucking game writer said geddon is canon to the game 😭 why is that so hard to understand the unlimited Infinity comic is the only comic that ISNT canon to 1048. Atsv happens either after SM 2 so Peter in that moment didnt know them, but i think the spiderman that appears on the movie is canonically a videogame character so it's not the same one from the games, but this 2nd option take it with a grain of salt. PS4 Peter consistenly fought toe to toe against superior and matched him, tanked a blow from the inheritors and was just fine Spiderman was just done dirty in the game cause of the woke shit, even fucking MJ (mj stands for Manly Jaw) was cooking hunters more than spiderman 😭 they defo doing this so Miles can get more popular if ignoring plot armor base spiderman>Miles mid-high diff ☠️

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@SpiderDroider I LOVE a moron with an ego Here's the writter of Geddon and Infinity Unlimited saying he doesn't know if the latter is canon; if he doesn't know about what HE wrote, than he isn't a valid source on Geddon either = x.com/christosgage/status/1699455361881718790?s=46 Spider-Man 2 literally ties into ATSV on screen, Geddon is never referenced. If he experienced Geddon, which is set before Miles according to the comic, then he wouldn't be unaware of the multiverse as shown in SM2. The game literally contradicts Geddon point blank. That version of Superior was in a dog-ass clone body that is weaker than base Ock, who 616 Peter can bully whenever he wants. PS4 does not scale to any version of 616 Peter who's trying. I already explained all of this here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaDXZIqIj6aljcU Do your homework son. "Ignoring what happens in the game, Peter wins" LMAOOOO Cope harder

[@la7402]

Honestly, I can agree with a lot of this. The only thing I would like to point out is that I genuinely think Symbiote Spider-Man is above Miles because of an implication from the cutscenes. After Miles helped Li escape and he was restrained by Kraven and his Hunters, we are shown that it was day and by the time Spidey and the Hunter had their rematch, it was clearly night. So while Miles wouldn’t be in peak shape, he’d have at least some time to recover from being drained and possibly beaten, he was likely in a more energised state then his mentor given how much Peter was fighting, even with his new healing factor and Parker’s inner conflict and care for his protege cancelling out his rage amp from wearing the alien. Add on Miles being able to take advantage of 2 of the symbiote’s weaknesses, and I do think that Symbiote Spider-Man would scale higher, but a neutral grounds fight between the wall crawlers would still be a High diff one.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

I don’t think Peter and Kraven fought for hours dog…

[@la7402]

@@CRISIS_COMICS oh no, I doubt so as well. But symbiote Peter came fresh out of a fight that was difficult due to his weakness being exploited, and as Kraven directly says, was holding back still through the whole thing until the end. Meanwhile, Miles had time to recover from his fight with Li and punishment for helping the reforming villain escape, which makes me think the 2nd Spider-Man had an advantage beyond the ability to take advantage of Peter’s new weaknesses.

[@Lo_wya]

@@la7402 I would disagree. Miles is shown to be basically on the verge of passing out before Peter and Kraven fight. He might have recovered from Martin li but Kraven and his hunters definitely hurt him in between that time bc he wasn’t that hurt after the Li fight. So miles is pretty injured to start the Peter fight and even tho Peter was holding back, miles was too. I think that if they fought with no bell or sound bombs it’d be a toss up whether miles could get pete out of the suit or not. He’s much faster than Pete and stronger unless Pete uses his tendrils but even then the bio electricity amps his strength by a ton. But I really think it could go either way with symbiote Pete. If miles can use sound it’s a pretty clear victory for him. As for black suit that’d be a much closer battle like u said he’s still thinking straight but still if miles can use sound i think it’d be a toss up since he went toe to toe with venom.

[@la7402]

@@Lo_wya I get what you mean, I just think that Miles had a bit more going for him in that fight. After all, like Base Peter, the new Spider-Man has accelerated healing and based off of the time of day between the fight with Li and Peter’s fight with Kraven, Miles could have possibly hours to heal before fighting his mentor (depending on how long you think the hunters were punishing Miles), who came right out of a fight with Kraven after his weakness to sound was spammed. It still wouldn’t be easy, especially with Miles’ electricity, but that is why I lean towards Symbiote Peter a bit more in a neutral battlefield while they are both bloodlusted.

[@AB_Pr0ductions]

Valid list, only complaint would be to put Shocker way higher. Which SOUNDS extremely dumb I mean his name is Herman. But in one of mj’s stealth missions in the second game where you can listen to Kraven’s recordings of his post battle thoughts, he says Scorpion, Vulture, and Electro were extremely weak. However he said he was pretty impressed by shocker, saying he might have lost if Shocker wasnt playing so defensively, thinking of a way to escape

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

Kraven most likely underestimated him. He is perfect we’re he is. Their is no way shocker is better then Electro

[@NilaMuddassira]

Great video! i actually didnt think Tobeys spiderman was this strong before i watched this? to clear up confusion , how strong would anti-venom insomniac spiderman be? ( without holding back )

[@ef-jkota3611]

Peter did face sandman on other occasions on his own and won. I don't think its fair to say he would have lost on his own, I think he could've put something together

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Apparently never giant Sandman, based on how he was getting his shit rocked in the game.

[@ef-jkota3611]

@@CRISIS_COMICS i get he got his shit rocked but we all know it was for miles to shine. Look at miles morales where he fought rhino and lost, someone he literally fought 2v1 against with 14 broken bones. Also his dialouge sounds too natural to see a giant sandman

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Everything in all of fiction is written to showcase something. We have to use feats and what is shown to make the most logical deduction. The last time Peter fought Sandman he fit into a vial, also as far as we know, Yuri never boxed up Rhino straight up. They fought offscreen where Peter said Rhino was stronger, and in the game Scorpion and Rhino ended up getting in each others way, and Peter still didn't KO Rhino like Miles did. Whether or not you think it's agenda based, it's still canon, and is still a valid feat.

[@jasonblack2477]

Peter got heavily nerfed

[@purevessel4506]

Or Kraven and Venom are far stronger than the sinister six

[@kaponosucks]

He didn’t get nerfed dawg

[@kaponosucks]

The hell are you on? What are you smoking huh

[@jasonblack2477]

@@kaponosucks he was since miles morales

[@jasonblack2477]

@@purevessel4506 kraven said 3 times peter holds back and kraven dri ks something to make him stronger so the final fight was ok

[@zombie9865]

I have a theory about antivenom suit spiderman that I haven't seen anyone else bring up. While Peter fought venom he was getting thrashed pretty bad, but something changed after he got knocked out. Once he got back up after miles was done fighting venom, he almost seemed invincible. Now I know this probably sounds far fetched but I think he got a type of "zenkai" buff or something after his first fight with venom. When you watch him fight venom at the end, peter gets slammed into the ground by venom on his head, then get showed through an exploding oil tanker and he's completely fine. Saying he was fine is an understatement, he didn't seem to notice it and in less than a second he got the upper hand on venom and slammed him into the ground. There was no indication that venom had gotten weaker, and peter hadn't used the antivenom properties in that scene until venom was already on the ground. To me he just seemed like he got wildly stronger. The venom suits have healing properties, and spiderman has already proven that he can get stronger, so I think it's not far fetched to say that he got a big physical buff at the end there. After that scene venom never held a candle to him.

[@malrulesall9669]

That’s true

[@humzasiddiqui5761]

I 100 % agree with your point, but I don’t think it was a buff from the symbiotes side, but Peter not holding back. Like the video stated, Peter was for sure holding back against Harry during his fight with venom at the highschool, and got completely destoryed and knocked out, kind of realizing this approach won’t work, and now during the cutscene he seems level headed and set on what he needs to do more so if Yk what I mean, and was much stronger than before. I don’t know how to explain it fully but you prolly get what I mean of the reason for the difference in power

[@JulianHill-xd4bt]

Can’t wait for you to powerscale the characters that are gonna appear in the Wolverine game

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

I will be there.

[@laughslapproductions4690]

*The fact that Sabel, a regular human. Is able to tag Spiderman at all is kind of ridiculous. Same goes for black cat.*

[@vortigan6566]

In the comics black cat gets injected by a super soldier serum so it makes her at least as strong as captain america

[@theretroshogun2961]

Welcome to Marvel Comics

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

@@vortigan6566this isn’t comics this is earth 1048 that’s 616

[@theSageofFire]

Don’t like how much stronger miles is than Peter (I do love miles though). Could base Peter even give him a mid diff fight

[@lordyoda9382]

Where does it show that miles is stronger than Peter?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@lordyoda9382 Just found a vid that explains it - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpDRq4KbfLl1jNE

[@theSageofFire]

@@CRISIS_COMICSyeah I agree with you, but can Peter give Miles a good fight

[@lordyoda9382]

⁠@@CRISIS_COMICSMiles got every advantage toward “symbiote” Peter. He uses the bell toward their fight which is a counter for symbiote and his blue venom and also Peter is fighting inside trying to stop himself from harming Miles. If it was not symbiote Peter then Miles would of lost. Peter is thinking straight while the symbiote is corrupting miles which gives him another advantage.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@lordyoda9382 That would be a pretty fair assessment if you didn't watch what I said about Miles. He was already on his knees after the Mr. Negative fight, THEN he was beaten on likely by Kraven, THEN he passes out, THEN he fights Peter and physically contends with him on screen. Peter in the first phase of the fight was enraged, he gets conflicted later on. They both had things going against them, Black Suit Peter is stated > base Peter, and Miles scraps with Black Suit Peter. I do say that a 100% Peter would outlast Miles, and that Anti-Venom's above tho. But to argue Miles < base Peter is cope.

[@berettagt88]

I wonder how Peter would defeat Kraven without the symbiote!

[@eyebhittinppl]

If there’s anything I learned from the superior spider man comics. Otto realized Peter was ALWAYS holding back

[@deadman9335]

While watching the story, I was very interested in kraven but then I thought to myself, he is the perfect prey for an elite to elder predator, they have a very similar hunt until you die idea but the predators would see him as one of the greatest hunts

[@pspspspsps44]

Base peter in this game actually kinda ass i cant lie

[@I-S-C]

Many brainless insomniac fanboys would disagree with you

[@owensanfordstuff]

We don't fight kraven as normal abilities Peter/Miles do we? Only as symbiotes. Dude can take a punch

[@wumbo8852]

12:46 I mean maybe I’m just nitpicking but it’s not that symbiote Peter was too weak to force the needle through Connor’s skin but the fact that if he had tried to hard he probably would have broken the syringe. I mean just don’t even think bullets made it through lizards skin

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

He tried and it didn't break...

[@patrickdakis4437]

Giant Lizard 100% Enraged vs. Venom (Harry) NO Wings. Arena: In sewers or a Zoo Who would win?

[@achilles112]

Harry slams

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Rooting for Lizard, the two seem very very similar in strength and healing factor but I get the sense venom at least knows how to apply that strength better is he isn't outright stronger. I think Lizards sonic roar mixed with his armor and healing factor might give him a chance to eat harry while he's in the suit. Conversely venom could potentially take advantage of the lizards mouth and do some fatality level attacks on his insides.

[@spider-man500]

​@@achilles112Slams? NO

[@MaxiMax-uz1st]

Although my favorite villain is lizard But venom low - mid diff him

[@MandatoryFruit]

Man, this is my issue with Miles. It's so ridiculous that they would make him SO much stronger than base Peter.

[@Lo_wya]

Well when u have one of the most experienced and intelligent spidermen out of any depiction of the character ever. Plus op ass powers like invisibility and bio-electricity I’d say it’s only a matter of time before he surpassed Pete. Thats always been the case with miles it’s just that no one has shown how strong an experienced miles can be. But everyone knows he’d eventually be stronger than Pete.

[@bryllewesleytolentino7858]

@@Lo_wya He is already stronger with his extra powers

[@Capybara2240]

He’s not stronger though he has the hax abilities like invisibility and electricity as he is weaker than Peter

[@bryllewesleytolentino7858]

@@Capybara2240 Yeah

[@purevessel4506]

Why is it ridiculous. Miles has higher potential and is a walking mini nuke

[@cenznx]

black cat was not struggling with kraven goons tf and putting scorpion above oct is insane

[@mattc4266]

Tylearned!

[@blackprovostpublications5225]

I actually disagree with some of the Peter and miles scaling. Unless we believe that Martin Li got stronger in prison, I’d say that Peter had an easier time with him in the first game than Miles did in this one. A blood lusted Miles-who admittedly calmed down towards the end of the fight-barely managed to beat Li. When he helps Li escape after winning, he almost instantly collapses after. No more fight in him. Peter handles Li in the first game twice with no real issue. In the symbiote fight between Miles and Peter… well having a giant bell at your beck and call is a crazy advantage and ultimately it’s not as though Miles “defeats Peter”. Miles managed to convince Peter to take the suit off. Don’t get me wrong, I think Miles is the ultimate successor and that he’s proven himself equal to Peter, but I think scaling them is more complicated than most people think

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Li's powers were nerfing Miles

[@blackprovostpublications5225]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Yes, but Miles would also regain his full powers as long as he wasn’t hit with Li’s energy. And even if he was severely nerfed, I don’t know if that nerf is worse than Peter fighting with 14 broken bones against Li and still performing better.

[@elijahealks6098]

​@@blackprovostpublications5225Miles literally lost half of his power set

[@blackprovostpublications5225]

@@elijahealks6098 Mans literally unlocks a new application of said power during the fight 💀The nerf only applied when he was hit by Li’s energy.

[@elijahealks6098]

@@blackprovostpublications5225 no he doesn't lmao, care to show? Timestamp the part in the boss fight and link it here

[@BrotherKnowledge.]

This was actually quite reasonable. Good job. I wouldn't say that the Anti-Venom suit is stronger or more powerful than the Venim Symbiot, though. In terms of raw strength, I'd argue that the Venom Symbiot is deciseively stronger than the Anti-Venom "symbiot." But the properties of the Anti-Venom symbiot just allows the Anti-Venom symbiot to out-punch the Venom symbiot. But were both symbiots put up against a neutral opponent, the Venom Symbiot would fair better than the Anti-Venom Symbiot. I'd also wager that Mile's Venom powers, and *definitely* his Enganced Venom powers, negatively effect both the Venom Symbiot and the Anti-Venom Symbiot, allowing Miles to hang with either. But pound for pound, Miles would still come in yhird between the three anyway. (But if Miles ever got a Venom Mode, where he surges with hos Venom power or his enhanced Venom power for a period of time, like Peter does with his symbiot, the ranking would get a lot more iffy.) At any rate, excellent job.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Peter says Anti-Venom is just as strong as the black suit, so nah. Also the game's director said that Venom was only weak to sonics, not Venom Blasts; so nah again. GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT!

[@BrotherKnowledge.]

@@CRISIS_COMICS True. But a character's analysis is only valuable when it is supported by evidence, such as feats. Peter's analysis was proven wrong. Anti-Venom could not take down Venom by himself. Period. So, his analysis was objectively wrong. 🤷🏾‍♂️ The game director's statement is not supported by the actual game, so again, I have to go by that. Miles did a number on the Venom Symbiot using his Enhanced Venom abilities. So, again, I have to call it as it is presented. 🤷🏾‍♂️ I'm glad you enjoyed it, too! 😁

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@BrotherKnowledge. Venom is just stronger than black suit Peter based on what Peter said about his own power, no contradiction and purely logical! Miles' attacks hurting Venom only necessarily proves they are that powerful; which requires less assumptions and is more sound seeing as they are never stated to be a weakness in the game either.

[@BrotherKnowledge.]

@@CRISIS_COMICS First, I appreciate you not being a dick about me disagreeing with you. I appreciate that and wanted to state that clearly. Mind you, I am not trying to change your mind or your opinion here. I only do that when I think that someone has an illogical opinion. But your opinion is logical. I can follow your thought process. My position is not "I think you are wrong" here. My position is "Okay, cool. I see where you are coming from. My opinion is this, and this is how I formed *my* opinion." Again. I am not trying to change your mind or opinion here. It is a good one. I respect it. I'm just sharing my view. That is all. I hear you. You take Peter's statement at face value. Respect. I just have a different approach. I take Peter's statement... and then compare it against what was presented to us. Based off of Venom knocking Peter out for a good little while, and Peter *needing* Mile's help to neutralize Venom/Harry, I find it reasonable to conclude that, while bonded to Harry, Venom was objectively stronger than Anti-Venom - *despite* Anti-Venom being an anti... uhh... venom... symbiot. That is the view that I am approaching this from. True. Venom was never stated to be weak against Mile's Enhanced Venom abilities. It was, however, *shown* to be. It was presented to us as something that the Venom Symbiot could not overcome. (This is shown when Venom tried to take over Miles but failed to do so because it could not overcome Mile's Enhanced Venom abilities.) I'm not saying that my position is correct. But I am saying that my position is logical. My position is not developed from making an assumption, either. It is made by deductive reasoning.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@BrotherKnowledge.Anti-Venom’s name comes from his ability to purge Symbiotes from their hosts when it’s abilities were consciously activated by Peter, not because Anti-Venom is more powerful than Venom. In fact Venom is stated to be the Spider-Men’s ultimate threat, which would include Symbiote Peter as Miles had to battle him. Saying that Miles’ Venom Blasts outright counter the Symbiotes in a similar way as Anti-Venom is an assumption, because it is never stated, and the position with the least assumptions is that Miles’ abilities simply scale to Venom and can harm him. An argument otherwise would involve injecting headcanon where it’s otherwise not stated.

[@burntorange505]

I was hoping it would be about the characters themselves and not the strength tbh

[@status7505]

Mr.Negative with his Yakuza sussano still not being able to push Peter as far as balding man with tentacles is funny/sad ngl

[@debater452]

Man the Avengers in this universe are terrible at their job

[@ThaSpider]

W

[@markrocksfordaze]

Doc Oc seemed to have all of the sinister 6 in check. They feared him. He was snubbed on this list.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

He was paying them or aiding them in their own goals: he made Electro more powerful, promised to pay Scorpion. He’s their ringleader and he’s the planner; nothing more.

[@xXdreamon95Xx]

I’m about to download all 3 games and beat them all over again

[@antichton1926]

People always want to deny that Miles is definitively relative to Peter at his 100%, even with Anti-Venom. Miles fought Venom twice, while Venom was trying to kill him, waiting for Peter to regain consciousness.

[@marccalveras5112]

Anti-Venom is far superior than Miles, not just because of his healing factor of or lack of weaknesses, but because of his higher base stats (strength, speed…). Miles has his bio-electricity and Peter has his tendrils so Peter having greater base stats, a infinitely better healing factor and way more experience and IQ+Battle IQ makes him the greater Spider-Man, but as the game says they’re Greater Together

[@shafialanower3820]

@@marccalveras5112the game nerfed Peter also

[@antichton1926]

@@marccalveras5112 Anti-Venom got knocked out by Venom. Miles never was.

[@NMbones98]

@@antichton1926 no he wasn't he almost died before MJ stepped in

[@captain2s404]

@@LukeRojasMiles is not a sidekick is Spiderman and he kick Spiderman ass with the symbiote

[@quentinwright8356]

I think miles is relative to anti venom as well after he knocked out peter venom tried to crushed miles head with that rock ! He is crazy strong and on stop of that he can enhance his strikes miles just has a better more versatile power set and is clearly is above base peter ! Great vid bro

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Hard to say since I think Peter was holding back on Venom at the end; it's his bff after all!!! Thanks for the kind words.

[@marccalveras5112]

Anti Venom is probably the strongest version of Spider-Man after Cosmic Spider-Man so no, but Insomniac Miles is a force to be reckoned with