Why Insomniac Spider-Man VS Tobey's Spider-Man Isn't Close

In Spider-Man 2, Bully Lowenthal was revealed. Does he surpass the original: Bully Maguire? Using feats, calculations, and power scaling; we will find out.
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Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is a 2023 action-adventure game developed by Insomniac Games and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment. It is based on the Marvel Comics character Spider-Man, and features a narrative inspired by its long-running comic book mythology which is also derived from various adaptations in other media. It is the third entry in the Marvel's Spider-Man series, acting as a sequel to Marvel's Spider-Man (2018) and a follow-up to Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales (2020). In this installment, Peter Parker and Miles Morales struggle to navigate the next steps in their personal lives while combating several new threats, including a private militia led by Kraven the Hunter, who transforms New York City into a hunting ground for super-powered individuals; and the extraterrestrial Venom symbiote, which bonds itself to Parker and negatively influences him, threatening to destroy his personal relationships.
The gameplay builds on the foundation established by its predecessors, with an emphasis on the multiple playstyles afforded by Peter Parker and Miles Morales as Spider-Men. The game expands on their existing traversal and combat abilities, including new web-based gadgets and suits that can be unlocked through progressing in the story. It also introduces the former Spider-Man's symbiote suit, granting Parker unique abilities from his previous playable appearance.
Discussions regarding a proper sequel to Marvel's Spider-Man began during the game's development, with open story threads for future titles being teased across both it and Miles Morales. The game was announced in September 2021. Creative director Bryan Intihar, game director Ryan Smith, narrative lead Jon Paquette and art director Jacinda Chew from Insomniac Games respectively reprise their duties from prior entries, while Yuri Lowenthal, Nadji Jeter and Laura Bailey return to headline the game's ensemble voice cast, which comprises other returning actors and characters from the previous games. Jim Pirri and Tony Todd join the ensemble as the voices of Kraven and Venom, respectively.
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 was released for the PlayStation 5 on October 20, 2023 to critical acclaim. The game sold over 2.5 million units in 24 hours, becoming the fastest selling first-party title in PlayStation history. It is the third best-selling PlayStation 5 game.
Peter Benjamin Parker, also known by his alter ego Spider-Man, is a fictional superhero portrayed by Tobey Maguire that is based on the comic book character of the same name. He is the protagonist of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man film in 2002, its two sequels, video games, and an animated series designed to be set within that continuity (in which he is voiced by Neil Patrick Harris). This version of the character was followed by Andrew Garfield's portrayal in Marc Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man duology (2012-2014), with a further iteration being portrayed by Tom Holland set within the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) (2016-present). Maguire reprised his role as a supporting character in the MCU film Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021), appearing as an older version of himself alongside his two successors' versions of the character. To distinguish himself from the two other versions of himself, he is nicknamed "Peter-Two" by them, referred to by Marvel's official website as the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and in the film's script as "Raimi-Verse Peter" and "Raimi-Verse Spider-Man" (in honor of Sam Raimi).[1][2][3]
The narrative of Raimi's trilogy focuses on Peter Parker's growth from high school to college, and his troubled relationship with his childhood best friend Harry Osborn, as well as his relationship with Mary Jane Watson, Parker's childhood crush and girlfriend. The narrative follows his struggles with his dual life as a college student and young adult, often to the disappointment of his avuncular college teacher Dr. Curt Connors, as well as his job as a freelance photographer for the Daily Bugle, under the snarky and abrasive editor-in-chief J. Jonah Jameson, who despises Spider-Man and constantly prints defamatory articles about the vigilante. Parker's secret life leads to many encounters with various super-human criminals such as Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus who threaten the peace and lives of civilians in New York City.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

To clarify the multiverse/canon point since some people seem confused. Across the Spider-Verse is canon to the Insom games, which makes his appearances in Geddon and Infinity Unlimited (his fights against Superior Spider-Man and 616 Peter) non canon. The Spider-Verse portal and many of the spider-bots are clearly from ATSV, with Yuri being otherwise unaware of the multiverse until then; which contradicts the comics thus making them non-canon. After the events of the Spider-Man 2 game, Insom was apparently recruited into the Society per his cameo in the movie. ATSV is connected to the MCU, Raimi, TASM, and Venom per the many references and cameos to such. We even see the Sacred Timeline from Loki as Miguel explains the Web of Life. The MCU multiverse is too distinct from the comic’s that I don’t think they’re even connected. The reasons would warrant their own video to really explain but a few of them are: - Slightly different group of Abstracts - Potentially different Big Bangs - Different backstory for Kang - Uatu not paying any attention to the comics if they are connected - Uatu treating What If? As if the multiverse is a new thing (There’s only one Uatu right now in the comics so if it was connected they’d be the same guy) - Glitching - Different reasons for Incursions - Darkholds in the comics despite MCU Wanda destroying all of them I hope that clears it up. ATSV is canon to Insom, Insom is connected to the MCU, the MCU is not connected to the comics; at least not by their multiverses.

[@Timise2]

I’m curious, how does tom’s Spider-Man scale to cull obsidian when both Ironman and Spider-Man were struggling to hold him back? also cull defeated Ironman and Wong saved him before dying. And cull obsidian defeated the hulk Buster that was not constantly getting extra part when it was destroyed or ripped off, and on top of that bruce banner was struggling to use hulk Buster and really wanted hulk to come out meaning hulk scales higher than that hulk Buster (even if infinity war hulk is stronger than the old hulk). And Thor didn’t use his lighting at all in the hulk vs Thor fight so you can’t use that to scale what tobey can take. Even if spiderverse debunked the comic appearance, the Harlem feat scales higher than anything tobey has done. And plus the things you are scaling to phase 1 hulk Ironman and Thor is all theory and big stretches

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@Timise2 Tom stopped Cull's attack dead in it's tracks and KO'd him in their fight. Tom performed better than Iron Man against Cull, I agree. The Hulkbuster Mk 1 has near a dozen statements of being Hulk lvl, knocked his tooth out, made shockwaves when they fought; it clearly scales to Hulk. Banner being a worse pilot has nothing to do with what the Hulkbuster was made of, which was shown to endure and hurt Hulk many times in their fight, and Cull can dent it and break it apart. Thor charged up his lightning to kill Leviathan's in A1, which Hulk can one shot, he also uses lightning amped hammer strikes to pierce a Leviathan's hide; which Hulk also does. The Harlem feat is weaker than Phase 1 Iron Man as shown in this video. Even if you don't think Tom scales to Hulk or Thor, he clearly performs evenly if not better against Cull than the MARK 50 Iron Man; so any of the 3 Spider-Man would be > Phase 1 Iron Man and his city lvls of energy. The Thor and Hulk feats are not theories or stretches at all, it's calculations based on things they do on screen point-blank.

[@Timise2]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Spider-Man threw a car at him which barely did anything. And plus mcu scaling is wack since you can scale Thor to universal or star level but that’s not what he shows consistently, Ironman went one on one with 4 stones thanos for 2 minutes, Spider-Man got body slammed in 10 seconds and got knocked out. And phase 1 Ironman went 1 one 1 against Thor until cap ended the fight. Ain’t no way tobey scaled to phase one Ironman

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

The IW novel says Cull was KO'd by that. I do not scale Thor to either, so it's irrelevant. If some crackhead thinks Thor is actually star lvl it doesn't matter, every universe has weirdo fans, doesn't debunk MCU scaling as a whole. Thanos was holding back on Iron Man, as stated, and when he tried at all he shit on Tony too. Based on Tom scaling to Cull, and scaling to Cap who beat Phase 3 Iron Man, Spider-Man does 100% scale to Phase 1 Tony.

[@Timise2]

@@CRISIS_COMICS it was winter soldier and cap vs Ironman in an inclosed building and also Ironman having the chance to defeat captain America but spared him and also he wasn’t even trying to fight cap he was trying to kill the winter soldier

[@isaaccuevas1717]

Remember tobey doesn’t have any high tech upgrades on his suit like MCU or ps4 spider man,it’s just a normal suit,when he tanks lighting l,that’s just HIM

[@lebrondavis1420]

Ps4 spidey’s suit doesn’t amp his durability so that’s also him

[@jay96yagami27]

He's the definition of HIM

[@2bizzystu868]

Ps4-Ps5 Peter Parker doesn’t amp his durability he’s tanking all those hits and not only that he literally has a durability suit which is the iron spider stark suit which he only used a few times but ps5-Ps4 Spider-Man suit is only used to hold gadgets it’s not used to tank hits

[@isaaccuevas1717]

@@2bizzystu868the suit absolutely amps his durability,it’s a literal piece of technology like iron man armor

[@eigorson]

​@@isaaccuevas1717it is absolutely not iron man armor, peter is poor as hell he cant make shit like tony

[@davidpap5369]

Having these two interact in any capacity would be a dream come true regardless of who boxes up who.

[@sumnahlennon5449]

If they interacted, like most crossovers, they would be scaled up to have equal strength. Just like the actual movie crossover. None of the mathematics nonsense, the 3-spider-man characters faced the same foes. Writers keep destroying power scalers, and even Stan Lee did. Scene to scene, writers are not using advanced math calculations to determine each feat.

[@lucasbroome1048]

They exist in the same multiverse

[@alexescorza8120]

@@sumnahlennon5449I love how people hate power scalers I just find it fun too many people take it seriously

[@humanman9920]

@@sumnahlennon5449 Ok , so you're kinda right and kinda wrong . Because i don't think they exactly make sure to have the math clear , but they do have some rough understanding about it and then take some creative liberties to update the scaling . Like everything other than Tobey's feat of matching Andrew in speed comes off as just a fact proven by Raimi movies . Look at the indirect scaling with an angry Tom's performance against both of Tobey's villains and compare them to Tobey's fights , they did not need to make him struggle like that against Doc ock for the story . Tom just got strong enough to beat Goblin in the end . So the scaling isn't perfectly equal , even though he'll most likely get stronger and who knows maybe in the same leagues they still recognise the level he's at now . Although it was equalised to the point to progress the plot as needed , their speed was made pretty relative when Andrew should be the fastest . They still maintained an impression , you can see it best with lizard , Tom got slammed down and stayed there hurt almost like Loki was by hulk , Andrew pushed him off himself and webbed him up , Tobey made an absolute cartoon out of him constantly kicking his face while he tried to latch on , and only got a good hit on Tobey when Andrew distracted him by accidently shooting a web in his face. And there's a reason an apparent encounter of Raimi spiderman vs Goblin which was shot didn't make it to the final movie. They just couldn't have that without overshadowing Tom's fight or showing very obvious levels of downplay that'd just upset people either way . I think you can still rely on vast differences in calculations or some rough but good understanding of the difference in feats while not pinpointing them with numbers .

[@amarson2322]

imagine if mcu makes new spiderman movie where all multiverses crossover, we could see tobey tom andrew interact with Insomniac Spidey and spidey from animated series just imagine

[@OblivionKnight76]

2:46 It's a bit of both. Miles has energy absorption, but he can only absorb a finite amount before it starts to overload him.. He's struggling to keep all of that energy contained, so It's hurting him.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

And therefore you can't quantify how much less energy he'd be nullifying compared to it's entirety.

[@MrHoll87]

When you really have to poop and it starts to hurt.

[@bendavis6457]

No he just explodes like godzilla. Dude is op asf

[@DaichiOkami]

@@CRISIS_COMICSjust a question crisis. Do you consider that maybe MCU spiderman got nerfed in no way home? I've seen in vs battle wiki and well the movie itself kinda make it seem like he was made severely weaker than he was in infinity war for the sake of plot. Vs battle nerfed him massively when nwh came out and removed his earlier bigger feats entirely. Or do you think he wasn't nerfed and he still scales to all his older feats. Most people I see talk about it consider his past feats like kull obsidian and stuff as outliers now. I'm just curious on what you think.

[@fredrickbambino]

@@CRISIS_COMICS but we also can’t conclude that he tanked the entire quantity due to his innate ability to absorb it, he absorbed some of the energy until he had to tank it

[@milk8601]

2:17-Insomniac Spider-Man 7:35-Raimiverse Spider-Man 18:09-Who Wins

[@BabySnags_YT]

Your a real one 💯

[@aviatinggamer9051]

This should be pinned

[@Looptroop98]

And his conclusion is crazy tobey fought 1 venom not multitudes and if we being frank tobey was basically dead if harry didn’t swing in he was basically gonna fall to his death after stopping the train and the goblin bombs seem to have an inconsistency. 1 moment they stip you down to bones next they don’t

[@skibididobdobdobyesyes]

@@Looptroop98Bro what are you talking about Insomniac Spider-Man lost almost every fight without help or other people bailing him out especially in the second game 😂

[@Looptroop98]

@@skibididobdobdobyesyes he already beat sandman in the 1st game he literally beat the sinister 6 by himself now as for kraven and venom or an enraged sandman he may need help tobey has only beat green goblin and harry everything else has been near death experience

[@brpanther66]

I know they're not canon to the movies but how strong is Tobey if we took his feats from the movie tie-in games into account? He fought a LOT of villains in those games.

[@diobrando6961]

yeah he fought many villains in the movie games

[@gimmeallurmoney3883]

Yeah but he also really struggled lifting up the wall when saving MJ at the end of spider man 2.... no hate to tobey ofc. But I think they nerfed Toby's spidey for whatever reason

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

The wall was being pulled on by the gravity of a pseudo-star, stated to be pulling on everything not tied down in NYC/

[@humanman9920]

@@gimmeallurmoney3883 That wall was under the pull of Doc ock's mini sun that made the warehouse implode in the first place and when a little smaller before , was shown to be pulling things as heavy as cars from far into the city where its pulling force should be way weaker than in close distance .

[@oneyplayes465]

@@gimmeallurmoney3883 it was not just a wall my boy, It was a wall under the full influence of the gravity of a mini sun.

[@BlazerK1914]

Emo Peter: “I’m going to put some dirt in your eye.” Insomniac Symbiote Spider-Man: “You’ll regret the day you ever dance!”

[@cheezyfro144]

All Emo Peter needs to do is sock his jaw off. Bro is way too strong.

[@therealseam]

@@cheezyfro144really? I think insomniac wins.

[@humanman9920]

Furi : " I'm the Bully here not you " Bully : " It's funny you should say that , cuz i was looking through some old movies and it looks very uh...similar. " *Insert Bully Maguire music* Furi : " Why don't you pop some more memes and say what you're really feeling ." Bully : " You were an embarrassment to me . Look at little Bully jr. , gonna cry ? "

[@klyntar9588]

@@cheezyfro144people love to meat ride tobey so bad

[@cheezyfro144]

@@klyntar9588 It’s not meatriding when it’s facts. Tobey lifted a collapsing building while Insomniac could barely lift rubble. Then easily tanked an amped already strong Electro. Live Action Spidey got the Durability and Strength bruh. Insomniac couldn’t even tank 2 shocks before almost passing out. Bro isn’t that durable and strong but he is a lot smarter and stealthier which he uses to beat his opponents. He’s the underdog.

[@osem598]

Depends on if tobey has the damsel-in-distress buff

[@ReckSaber3664]

You can say that for literally any Spider-Man

[@shotlite8762]

@@ReckSaber3664 Except Andrew Spidey

[@dustyrust36]

​@@shotlite8762Nah that's foul💀💀💀💀

[@soullessginger9912]

​@@shotlite8762Andrews Spider-Man: How come every time i try to save a woman her neck snaps?

[@WretchRocks2]

@@soullessginger9912 well andrew let me give you a bit of knowlege, if u hold them by the stomach/chest/body it makes it easier for it to snap so next time u wanna save a woman make sure u dont do what u did to gwen 🤓

[@Trainer_Steve]

"That's a Cute Symbiote, Did your Husband give it to you?"

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Bruh.. that's homophobic

[@Trainer_Steve]

@@thegreatacolyt1277 I missed the part where that's my problem.

[@user-xs7df2ex8w]

Nah that’s wild thegratacolyt1277

[@meghanandrockmackay5804]

@@Trainer_Steveyou seem to be chucking spider-man reference after spider-man reference. Someone get this guy a reward… it’s pizza time.

[@Trainer_Steve]

@@meghanandrockmackay5804Thanks hot legs.

[@markmccormack-reamer7591]

Tobey’s Spider-Man was luckily done extremely well when he was crafted all the way back in 2002 lol! Obviously the other Spidermen are strong but the development teams behind them unfortunately aren’t as good. Tobey is forever goated, especially being said to have scaled up his comic counterpart. Great video!

[@deadsoul7409]

A lot of Spider-Man have better story's then Tobey's and also he doesn't scale to comics peter in any way

[@kuhtamiller-moore993]

No superhero/villain from live action scale to their comic counterparts. If that was the case everyone in the mcu would be levels stronger.

[@TheBlazingTheorist8234]

You can’t say it’s because off the team behind the scenes fault like they chose to make spider man in their own way so don’t blame others especially the creators for making a weaker version of spider man

[@sumnahlennon5449]

Comments like this bait negative replies. And no, he doesnt scale to the comic counterpaet either

[@sumnahlennon5449]

​@@TheBlazingTheorist8234also videogames are made for fun. Imagine if game Spider-Man was so strong he took no damage from most enemies. For the superficial reason of being "strong as a comic counterpart." And every attack was tanked. That wouldnt make a fun game. Comics go on forever. In controlled environments like a game or movie, they cant have every character be faster than light, tanking universal punches in every scene like comic book nerds demand. Irs why comic characters have so many anti-feats as they struggle to create original stories

[@daemiller52]

I think the fight would be pretty even in terms of just combat and skills and no technology. We didn’t get to see Tobey in too much action with the black suit when I think about it so there’s not much to make with what he was capable of and could really do with the symbiote

[@asdtgh8895]

Well, we could use a composite for Raimi Spider-Man and scale him to the video games. But it would be fair under the circumstances to do the same for Insomniac Spider-Man unless we only make it an exception for Raimi Spidey

[@thestrong2401]

The black suit in the Raimi verse is said to just enhance the host aggressiveness which made Peter more dangerous as Spider-Man because he would held back a lot less and have angry outbursts while wearing the symbiote. But other than that, it didn't seem to make him stronger or give him any new power. When Eddie got it the symbiote just transferred the powers it had absorbed from Spider-Man to Eddie except it was also starting to mutate more, which explain the Venom face and the fact it could survive for a bit without any host when Peter is able to separate Eddie from the symbiote.

[@humanman9920]

@@thestrong2401 The scaling of base spiderman against New Goblin vs Symbiote Spiderman against New Goblin proves it gave him a boost of strength as well . Base struggled to remove Harry's hand from his face while not doing crazy damage with his punches without swinging , while Symbiote spiderman dominated him by the same margin base spiderman used to dominate Green Goblin back in the first movie , sending him flying with his hits without swinging momentum , and made him bleed . Peter also said he knows how the power feels good while trying reason with Eddie in the final fight .

[@Need_RnR]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpu8n5WciN2Ld6Msi=YiLHT1HidLwLm_Tp Tobey Black suit video game Spiderman, absolutely DESTROYYYYS ... Insomniac Spiderman. Lol

[@futureblade6099]

​@@humanman9920you also have to consider that Tobey wasn't holding back as much in the second fight, he had somewhere to be the first time around

[@zombie9865]

I have a theory about antivenom suit spiderman that I haven't seen anyone else bring up. While Peter fought venom he was getting thrashed pretty bad, but something changed after he got knocked out. Once he got back up after miles was done fighting venom, he almost seemed invincible. Now I know this probably sounds far fetched but I think he got a type of "zenkai" buff or something after his first fight with venom. When you watch him fight venom at the end, peter gets slammed into the ground by venom on his head, then get showed through an exploding oil tanker and he's completely fine. Saying he was fine is an understatement, he didn't seem to notice it and in less than a second he got the upper hand on venom and slammed him into the ground. There was no indication that venom had gotten weaker, and peter hadn't used the antivenom properties in that scene until venom was already on the ground. To me he just seemed like he got wildly stronger. The venom suits have healing properties, and spiderman has already proven that he can get stronger, so I think it's not far fetched to say that he got a big physical buff at the end there. After that scene venom never held a candle to him.

[@fernosbonos5394]

the only thing that stopped insom peter is harry, he got mental nerf as he really does not want to kill him.

[@Kek393]

@@fernosbonos5394 fym. Bro got ragdolled and 1shot by fucking Kraven. He got nerfed all across the board. His Spider Sense barely works, it didn't trigger against Sandman's slaps like 3 times. He got outsped IN THE SYMBIOTE by Kraven and Lizard and couldn't react to Venom's attack, which was flying straight at him from his front. There's "mental nerf" and there's just overall bullshit the writers decided to include. You telling me MJ can react to a Venom Tendril but Peter can't?

[@reloadedspade176]

@@Kek393yeah the writer himself said he doesn’t give a shi if MJ is OP 😂 she can take down enemies faster than Peter, they’re just doing him wrong by scaling down his power.

[@Kek393]

@@reloadedspade176 i know, moments like this legitimately took me out of the game too. Bro stood back up with his ribs broken but they tryna tell me he can't get a fridge off of him?

[@Kumo0toko]

Peter in this game at his base looked hilariously nerfed especially how Kraven got extremely amped in this game

[@arcadealchemist]

well Rami spiderman has organic web shooters so doesn't have a limit on how much Spider web he can sling. (unless it's diet based and he needs to pizza time)

[@spider-man5544]

He does have limits tobey said due to existential crisis stuff

[@durpy8184]

​@@spider-man5544yeah so he needs an existential crises so it's not going to run out anytime soon, he's already moved past it so

[@comradekenobi6908]

​@@spider-man5544ah if somehow Insomniac spkdey has the power to cause existential crisis to his enemies that would be funnt 😂

[@ShadowTheSavage]

Miles was screaming to Peter I can’t help you unless you help yourself (fight the suit from the inside) I don’t think miles flat beat symbiote Spider-Man ( if Peter fully merged he’d be even stronger then venom) also peter just got anti venom where as venom normally attacked and defended him by itself as he stated several times

[@ef-jkota3611]

Exactly also he was holding back against Kraven, the person he hates to hell. Kraven said so, so when he gets pit against miles, I don't think he would be fighting at full strength. It shows as they fight he is trying to retain himself. Miles reaches to him and we occasionally hear what Peter really has to say. He knows the suit was bad, but he was struggling to fight its urges.

[@dominicvallado3258]

They’re just on different power levels, there’s so much more you can do in a video game compared to a live action movie from the 2000’s

[@drippisimba4495]

Peter was holding back a lot as anti venom n rarely used his anti venom abilities I can't wait to see what he can really do

[@daryusmirza3905]

exactly and even when Peter had the symbiote kraven said he was still holding back.

[@LiMe251]

​@@daryusmirza3905*Flashback to Superior Spiderman accidentally punching Scorpion's jaw off*

[@bendavis6457]

They're gonna take it away in the next game. They always lose their abilities. It's just how sequels work

[@drippisimba4495]

@@bendavis6457 unlikely actually carnage is in the next game how else are they gin be em

[@MegasXRL]

@@bendavis6457miles didnt lose his

[@cikyu_gusta9999]

its funny how powerful insomniac's spider is and even though he couldnt defeat aunt may's fridge

[@TurtleMan2023]

This is fanboying to the highest degree there is no way tobey would ever scale to thor

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Yes

[@achilles112]

Honestly never expected the 3 Movie Spider-Men to scale to country level. Awesome video

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Glad you liked it!

[@reubenax]

They don't 😂

[@comradekenobi6908]

​@@reubenaxyeah just Tobey

[@gorge1365]

He is, Tobey's Spider-Man is the strongest and most powerful Live Action version, If we include the Novels and Games, he is kinda broken. Andrew's Spider-Man is second, he also has games that scales him to City Level to possibly Country Level as well.

[@yaboijuanito1460]

​@@reubenaxa certified hater🥱💯

[@buggytheprophet1017]

Toby spidey would quickly realiye the other spiderman used web shooters and would web those up, giving him a huge advantage

[@deadsoul7409]

Organic Webs doesn't gave him an automatic win

[@charm_wis]

@@deadsoul7409 they never said it was a auto win

[@robertcop8825]

ok but the other spider-men could just web up his wrists too.

[@epicgamingdoge614]

but your forgetting that the black suit and the anti-venom suit produce webs (like the black suit where you shoot black webs therefore the webs are "organic")

[@zacharyhansen8250]

At the end of no way home, MCU spiderman absolutely THRASHED goblin and it wasn't even close even though holland peter was fairly injured in that battle. I think its fair to say in their first bout, tom holland was holding back a lot, at the time he wasn't straight up trying to kill goblin (He was still trying to cure them) As for encounters with the aliens. I believe that against aliens, Peter doesn't hold back (Seeing how he fully utilizes instant kill mode with his suit as seen in endgame) How Tom Holland Peter fights against people is fundamentally different from his feats against aliens.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

The script and co-director say he went all out in the condo. Tom was bloodlusted against Goblin which would give him a rage amp above his going-all-out state in the condo.

[@humanman9920]

His clear desperate expression AND THE WAY OF FIGHTING BY RAPIDLY PUNCHING HIS OPPONENT'S FACE WOULD SAY OTHERWISE , not to mention it being stated as well . So no , later he just got stronger . I could never understand how people convinced themselves of a spiderman especially this far into the superhero vs superhumans thing to be this piss poor at controlling his strength that the only option other than killing his opponent was to lose terribly , get his bones broken and just gasp with exhaustion after getting absolutely trashed as the villain makes him watch his loved one's death .

[@callmejacob3234]

Tobey is just the goat he will always be my Spider-Man but Yuri is goated as well

[@yaboijuanito1460]

Yup same

[@uncle_pepe14]

If SM1 Goblin tanked MCU Peter’s hits wouldn’t he (and by extension Movie 1 Peter) scale to Country? Even if MCU Peter was suppressed Goblin could still harm him so he’d scale regardless if I’m not mistaken. If so then Trilogy Peter would body Insomniac, but I’d love insight on that. Love the vid btw 🙏 Edit: I don’t think anyone in the replies watched the video 🗿

[@merrickmiles9277]

insomniac spiderman is way stronger

[@8thgod769]

I wouldn’t say tanked bro more like laughed about it he was finna die

[@AG-sj4om]

Idk how you made that leap bro, because goblin can take mcu peters hits that means mcu is stronger than insomniac ? Is that what ur saying ?

[@8thgod769]

@@AG-sj4om he basically didn’t even tank those hits fr because Tom was finna kill him he knew he was about to die

[@uncle_pepe14]

@@AG-sj4om Goblin laughs off the hits and bodies MCU Peter in the condo, as opposed to Tobey mollywhopping Goblin in the apartment leading to him scheming to wear Tobey down to stand a chance. Crisis explains how the 3 cinematic Peters are leagues above Insomniac by NWH in the video, so I’m asking for more clarification

[@avirokv2607]

What if insomniac Kraven started hunting in the arkam games Gotham againts the bat family and all his rogues etc

[@jaytwotimez168]

They’d be dead in an hour lmao

[@BullyHemsworth]

Kraven one shots the bat family (except alfred)

[@noahshirley7830]

8:06 Tobey did not take a grenade that vaporized other people. If you pay attention, the grenade that skeletonized the people on the balcony let out a green light that vaporized them. Tobey took a regular grenade that just blew up. Still impressive, but he’s not durable enough to withstand vaporization. Goblin was trying to torture him, not kill him out right.

[@ramirosapo]

emmm.... the grenade with which Eddie and the symbiote were disintegrated also had the fire effect like the one that Tobey exploded in his face: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2mviJ16iJh8obMsi=JeRrkiVz1cAuIk7B&t=154 They are the same grenade.

[@noahshirley7830]

@@ramirosapo Fair point, but I thought that was because Harry upgraded the goblin tech?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@noahshirley7830 Tobey scales to Harry's grenades regardless...

[@noahshirley7830]

@@CRISIS_COMICS fair

[@Mrmishima2024]

⁠@@noahshirley7830only been 3 years since Harry discovered his dad was the goblin at the end spiderman 2 at the start of spiderman 3 he upgrades some of his fathers tech it doesn’t clarify that the grenades are but in the movie spiderman 3 we can see they are similar to the spiderman 2002 movie visually in size. I dont think he will get a significantly better upgrades than green goblin. These upgrades could go more towards efficiency.

[@davekisman2763]

Even thought Raimi Black Suit Spider-Man doesn't look symbiotic. It does look shiny or wet like a symbiote.

[@deadsoul7409]

Even tho I love the suit it's just a reskin of the original one

[@comradekenobi6908]

​@@deadsoul7409which is okay

[@humanman9920]

@@deadsoul7409 which was awesome with the kind of work they put on it in several scenes .

[@idkidk503]

It looks like shit. Its literally just a reskin

[@Svnkgaming_]

This was so great 🔥 keep this coming 🤟🕸️

[@Odstboi]

Anti-Venom Actually has similar abilities to other symbiotes, its just he a weakness to symbiote in general. It was shown that, he can use similar abilities to other symbiotes like venom and he has great healing abilities. Plus. His abilities to take away radiation, would be a heavy impact on tobey.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

He’s only shown that ability in the comics, Insomniac adapts and takes liberties with the lore all the time so we can’t assume he can take away radiation. They took away Venom’s weakness to extreme temperatures after all.

[@cktankgirl5236]

​@CRISIS_COMICS see your contradicting what you said in the video with you logic then raimi spider man statements are not canon and the "non canon" comics that insomniac Peter are in he still should be able to do that there is not really evidence for him not to be able to do that now stop taking away smart people and go hide in your grandma's basement or something the person you replied to has a brain unlike you

[@Odstboi]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Fair, I hope we see more of his abilities in the dlcs.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Why are you pressed? What Raimi statements aren't canon, how did I contradict myself? And no, if the game's contradict the tie-in comics then the tie-in comics are not canon to the games. You need canon evidence to say that he can perform those feats, otherwise you're making assumptions based on a lack of evidence.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Colin agrees with me. I've collab'd and talked with him since he made his scaling videos.

[@SlxmeLxss]

Good vid bro🙌🏾

[@ChairtheMandude]

Mind you. Insomniac spiderman technecally has PERFECTED spider-sense. Which means that he can sense every. single. attack. Even venom triggers the thing, Which means that he is way stronger than most spider-people. He only got beat by the whole sinister six because they hit him at once.

[@venusstar2963]

Really? Perfected Spider Sense? Is that why it seemed to conveniently suffer erectile dysfunction every single time he fought anyone vaguely important?

[@ChairtheMandude]

@@venusstar2963 Ok, Lemme just go back to what i said. He has perfected spider sense WHEN THE PLAYER has control of him, and that is based off the skill of the player, However, when it is a cutscene, They kinda need to progress the plot forward, and so thats why i guess

[@venusstar2963]

@@ChairtheMandude THAT I can agree with lol.

[@ChairtheMandude]

@@venusstar2963bros creators revoke his penis privelages whenever a cutscene happens

[@Jay-sp6rh]

I peeped the MJF music in the back, as a wrestling fan you just gained a subscriber, great video btw

[@STOKEZGAMING]

Yessssss ive been watiing for this

[@joshuahughes3377]

Honestly, this is a pretty interesting topic, Same goes for the other ones. And I think I'd like to see a Powerscale of 616 and 1610 Spider-man someday.

[@joshuahughes3377]

@@ultimatespiderman-1610a The comics.

[@sumnahlennon5449]

writers are not doing math for scaling They are just making scenes look cool, as Stan Lee said about power scalers

[@joshuahughes3377]

@@sumnahlennon5449 I see that.

[@jagtech490]

@@sumnahlennon5449ok and ?

[@angryboi595]

616 would absolutely beat the shot out of 1610

[@renansantos6533]

Tell me you are nostalgia lover without telling me you are lol, Sandman from insomniac is actually more powerful than the one from the movies, especially by the fact he's Sandman for years, unlike Flint from SM3 that was sandman just for a couple of days. Also Venom from insomniac is actually way more powerful than the one from the movies too, especially in the end of the game because he was also amped by the meteor, also he has way more abilities too. Also Peter said in the game he already replicated the Train feat many times in the past too Sorry Crisis, i have to disagree with this video here man, but i love your channel 😁

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Tell me you suffer from recency bias without telling me you are lol, Sandman in the Raimi movies scales to the MCU, unlike the Insomniac version. Venom as well. Insom performed the train feat one time offscreen, one time in his first game, and then failed to do it in the latest one. Tobey’s lifted millions of tons more than the train, plus lifting strength < striking strength. I love my supporters, but this comment is wrong 😊

[@renansantos6533]

@@CRISIS_COMICS So you're saying that a simple Venom from the 3rd movie, scale to a Venom that has lots of Symbiote powers Plus was amped by a meteor whose tranformed a big part of the City in a giant Symbiote nest? Sure...... I love you too man(no homo lol)

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@renansantos6533Yep. Thor busted Sokovia, Hulk scales to him, Hulkbuster scales to him, Tom scales to him, and Raimi Venom scales to him. Making tendrils and lifting a gym is no where near close.

[@renansantos6533]

@@CRISIS_COMICS I see, anyways man good vídeo. Can you do a Justice League dark vídeo in the future? I'm reading the runs recently and i'm really enjoying it 😆😄

[@michaellabonte6390]

​@CRISIS_COMICS this was Tobey after Spiderman 3 and after like 10 years. That doesn't mean mean venom from sm3 scales. He scales to Spiderman 3 feat Spiderman lol. It's a leap to say Tobey is the same power level 10 years later imo however I see your logic. I just feel like the timeline ain't being incorporated

[@ridleylegassy]

16:22 so I have a head canon that the version of Insomniac Peter in the Spider-Verse events is from New Game+ since in the first game’s NG+ story it skips over Otto being like “hey Pete, check out this new costume!” And just has Peter say “that oughta do it” and he has the white spider. It’s how you can have him be in the multiverse and also not. So the rest of the story plays out pretty much as in the main timeline except sometimes they’re in the multiverse.

[@LogicalSkeptic]

Insomniac Peter would get absolutely mogged by Web Of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions, and PS1 Peter.

[@JoshKnibbs]

Would love to see where a few comic versions of Spider-Man rank on your list! Especially Ultimate and Superior!

[@asee818]

I love videos like this

[@legendarybroly2]

Tobeys instant recovery is because of the hoes! When he fought goblin, he mentioned killing mj. Boom. When he didn’t have powers in Spiderman 2 and doc oc took mj after dropping a wall. Got this from zephyr 🤣

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

MJ would leave him if he lost to Insom so he'd still have it!

[@Mr.LostMind720]

I personally love both of these Spider-Men. It's just my opinion that this fight would either way.

[@humanman9920]

Scaling insomniac spiderman to Miles feat of enduring enough energy to destroy Harlem is far fetched , since in the fight he doesn't hurt Miles nearly as much as performing that feat did . That much energy was a one time thing which did show his ridiculous durability but didn't stay in him for his Venom blasts to scale to that either. Insomniac symbiote spiderman also got his arm broken by a fall of about 50 stories while chasing lizard , and we see Raimi base spiderman fall from 60 stories while fighting Venom mid air and he gets no such injury . I thought it was 70 stories at first by estimating it with the statement in the movie that MJ was stuck 80 stories above the ground , but a statement you show from novelization says it's 60 , still it proves Raimi spiderman has significantly greater durability with a direct comparison of similar situations , and he takes several of the giant sandman hits that caused quakes in the same fight . In terms of striking strength Raimi spiderman pushed back Giant Sandman with his hit while insomniac could only manage moving the head a little to the same , also remember that Raimi Giant Sandman wasn't pure sand but pieces of concrete packed with his sand body which makes him denser and heavier than he'd be with just sand . Ik how lifting strength doesn't really come into play in a fight like this but it seems very hard to believe that a character with similar abilities who's stated to be capable of upto 10 tons of lifting( in insomniac spiderman character bio of first game) and only struggles against greater requirements even as far as admitting his inability in this game with " i'm ..sorry " to the civilians implying he'd fail without Harry's help , can outclass one with much greater strength in lifting , pulling , grip in terms of striking strength . Now ik i haven't proved how Tobey's spiderman has greater striking strength than the symbiote version of insomniac , but what do we know about his striking strength in symbiote ? Just that it got boosted to a similar level like Agent Venom's . The strength feat of tendrills was shown lifting 200 tons , base insomniac got pushed by the ferris wheel until it went against the metal structure he was on , so he can't be considered to have stopped it all by himself as i've seen some people say . So that 200 tons from the symbiote is pretty ridiculous strength boost , but not enough to compare to Raimi spiderman's. Insomniac symbiote spiderman is beat in striking strength and durability by Raimi movie spiderman.

[@joshuasamuvel7905]

I agree!

[@ilovet5926]

He was holding 2 roller coasters by a single web, not saying I disagree with everything else, but i'm pretty sure that's why he couldn't lift it

[@humanman9920]

@@ilovet5926 That wasn't even 10 tons in total , if he could lift 200 tons with two hands then sure as hell he shouldn't have any struggle with less than 10 tons in one hand

[@andrewtorres5128]

The falls in my opinion aren't comparable. Insomniac was on top of lizard and fell through solid concrete to the sewers below. Tobey fell yes but just barely slowed himself down into a roll rather than going straight through the ground.

[@humanman9920]

@@andrewtorres5128 " on top of lizard and fell through solid concrete to the sewers below " Is that supposed to imply lizard did not take most of the damage from that and reduced the impact force for spiderman compared to how it'd be if he wasn't standing on him? After the first impact on ground which insomniac did not take for the most part compared to lizard , the fall would already not be that strong . Venom still pushed Tobey downwards making him fall with greater velocity than he already would be in the freefall . I think the giant pile of sand and concrete emerging from that ground moments later was a good reason for him not falling through it , and the roll itself shows his level at withstanding a fall , not how powerful the fall is . Taking large building levels to get broken bones is still a step up for insomniac compared to his base but he's still not ridiculous enough just yet .

[@NoName-ym5zj]

bruh Insomniac Spider-man is a punk, he doesn't stand a chance against Tobey. Tobey survives being slammed by tonns of sand, he also survives GG's bomb which previously has been shown to incenerate regular people, he recovers from that very fast and manages to kick that Goblin ass, his Spider-sense is also pretty crazy, like he feels a fly buzz across a hallway like 10-15 meters away. Meanwhile Insomniac's Spider-man get's killed by a tiny little stab from a buff regular human, Kraven. The only real advantage he has is his gadgets, but would that really stop Tobey? Aside from gadgets, he is really outmatched here, you might argue he could win if he hit him with his suspension Matrix or some shit like that, but Tobey's spider-sense would make it impossible, but also he is a pretty smart guy himself and I am sure he'd figure out how to deal with a few annoying gadgets. Remember how Tobey in a few seconds dodged Andrew's web sho and then webbed his hand so he couldn't shoot webs ... That shows an extremely high battle IQ, which Insomniac Spider-man lack severely as shown by his battle with Dock Ock, like he could've made a device that would interrupt the signal from Ock's tentacles to his brains or something, but instead he made a fucking armor? LMAO, he is dumb bro. He got no chance.

[@therealseam]

fr and the armor also helped him defeat dr octopus fr

[@therealseam]

kinda crazy huh

[@LuisDomingo-cc9wd]

Insomniac Spider-Man literally made a suit thats as fast as a speedster. Some annoying gadgets???? One lf the gadgets is sound based. And its stated from peter that anit-venom has all the strengths of the symbiot and none of the weaknesses. All insomniac has to do is throw some fire at tobey, fucking fodder

[@ramirosapo]

@@LuisDomingo-cc9wd Yuri was knocked out for a few seconds by a refrigerator and you call Tobey a fodder.....

[@NoName-ym5zj]

@@LuisDomingo-cc9wd I belive he had to leave that suit in the closet, because it almost killed him. Tobey doesn't needs symbiote to fight him and I am pretty sure that the only "weakness" that gone from the symbiote is the fact that it has a mind of it's own and can influence Peter. It is still averse to sound.

[@meeks6629]

For the 2:47 part, I can see your point on why you’d think that Miles’ durability scales to it, but I do have some personal contentions with it myself. Of course Miles would be struggling, not only this is his first time utilizing his Venom power (or well, first couple of days) to not only absorb and output energy, but thus bomb is enough theoretical force to potentially destroy an entire city, so with this- the way that he handles electricity would vary, but that doesn’t mean his “baseline durability” is now relative to it by conventional means whatsoever. And this would make sense, as it’s portrayed numerous times that his venom power> his striking strength.

[@GraveEnd]

15:29 I just realized that the Spider-Man Peter Parker in across the spider verse is probably Andrew and the live other action spiderman movies are somehow related to across the spider verse

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Yes, ATSV and the MCU are connected to Insom.

[@Johnstring_Hamling]

I don't think its about power sclaling, I think they both scale the same. Its actually more about how much they hold back.

[@Fe_Saibot]

This is one of the only smart comments I've seen in this vid

[@comradekenobi6908]

​@@Fe_Saibotnah the creator of this vidoe actual have many feats and sources to back it up And while it evidently led to some people asking question he answered them proficienctly Hes done his research

[@IronLordEXO]

Bully Maguire: dancing on the street like a clown Bully Lowenthal: actual horror movie material

[@MsPreetiraj]

Nostalgic dance not gonna lie

[@CoolOkay_]

People seem to be very interested in WOS vs Insomniac, think you'd be interested in covering something like that?

[@isabaig6665]

As for who is the bigger bully let me put it this way. Tobey putting dirt in peoples eyes is scary but when Tony Todd tells you to run I don't care what you scale to you are running for your life.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Who is the bigger bully? 🕷️🕷️🕷️

[@drippisimba4495]

Yuri obv now go pop some more pills

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@drippisimba4495 Your family misses the real you - betterhelp.com

[@fear.God3.7]

@@CRISIS_COMICSw plug in

[@drippisimba4495]

​@@CRISIS_COMICScan u make a another yuri power scale for the new game

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@ultimatespiderman-1610aTobey threw a grenade at his only friend for fw his girl. And then BACK HANDED her! Your bias has never shown more so.

[@SGTP3PP]

I literally said yes bro when I saw there was a crisis upload

[@NilaMuddassira]

Great video! i actually didnt think Tobeys spiderman was this strong before i watched this? to clear up confusion , how strong would symbiote insomniac spiderman be? ( without holding back )

[@alatus_knight]

Tobey negs either way

[@widesthardo4940]

Insomniac Miles cooking them all

[@jacktheripper7735]

I will say one thing, Raimi Peter beat venom and has dealt with Symbiotes before, yes, but Yuri Peter's Anti-Venom is immune to the sound weakness, as seen by your sonic burst and environment sound weapons not affecting you. That may give Yuri a small advantage at first but definitely not enough to win him the fight.

[@Naruto-mn9ev]

He's immune to fire, not sound

[@snowmon9214]

Ok but Tobey can’t use triangle Circle.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

You win an award for being the first person to say that.

[@user-lk5yh3ym3r]

What if The Spider-Men Swapped Villains ? Tobey Maguire fighting Andrew's Villains in TASM 1 AND 2 Andrew Garfield fighting Tom's Villains from Civil War To Far From Home,Tom Holland fighting Tobey's Villains From Spider-Man 2002 to Spider-Man 3 2007

[@Besito243]

insomniac spider man also had experience as he said in miles morales game he had 8+years of experience. Insomniac spider man started being spider when he was 15 now in spider man 2 he is 25 and in raimi universe tobey started being spider man when he was 17-18 in spider man 3 he is only 21-22

[@MrOnepiece14]

Stan Lee did say that Spidey would only get stronger as he got older. He never said that Spidey would get weaker or less effective as he got older, like a normal human. Just that the OLDER he got, the STRONGER he would get.

[@XD1999cable]

Mmm...In one comic he was so weak in old age, the comic where peter killed Mary Jane with him cum. Well....anyways, the comica are so inconsistent too.

[@idkidk503]

Up to a certain point, he'll start growing weaker when he gets old

[@kylegovender6211]

I swear Everybody in riami's movies are just stronger than everybody in everything else And I mean everybody Aunt may,that kid at the parade,j Jonah jameson,flash I mean look at it tobey's peter took a bomb to the face,flash just punched a metal door full force like it was nothing,toby's peter stopped an enraged tom's peter,from stabbing goblin,mj grabbed a bus while falling from i don't know how high

[@Mr.Manz224]

Insomniac Spider-Man held his own against 616 SPIDER-MAN

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

No he didn’t and it’s not canon, watch the video.

[@Mr.Manz224]

@@CRISIS_COMICS yes he did, and show me where it says it’s not canon

[@Mr.Manz224]

@@CRISIS_COMICS and the reason they didn’t mention it, is because spiderman 2 takes place before Armageddon

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

If you had read Spider-Geddon, you would know that it's set before Spider-Man Miles Morales as Miles from Insom's universe doesn't have his black and rad costume yet. I further explain why it's not canon in the video itself, which you evidently did not watch either💀💀💀Ignorance.

[@Mr.Manz224]

@@CRISIS_COMICS bros still mad a week later💀 childish

[@jackrivard6668]

Yo these transitions hit hard bro😭

[@giancarlo_fre8]

Hypothetically how strong could Tom Hollands Spider-Man be if he has the symbiote?

[@kellyrichards7659]

We only need to wait and see if the No Way Home post credit scene is anything to consider 👀

[@Noname-gm5om]

Bro insomniac Spider-Man 2 couldn’t lift a roller coaster

[@spider-manstuff]

He was holding the roller coaster with one hand, and the ferris wheel in the other, while laying down.

[@miragenights801]

Crisis I thought of an interesting multiverse match up you could cover. It's a massive undertaking, though. Would you go over the strongest TMNT out of 2003, 2012, and Mirage Comics in a similar manner to your Big Boss/Snake/Raiden analysis?

[@Themultiversespider]

I don’t even think Tobey’s Spider-Man and Insomniac’s Spider-Man would even fight each other in a scenario, if one of them were doing something crazy wrong then I could imagine them clashing.

[@abhijyotsingh75]

The events of spider-man 2 (ps5) are held earlier than that of ATSV so maybe thats why peter of insomniac verse doesnt know about the spider-bots and after the events of the game , he meet Miguel and joins spider-society

[@Darthnuseditz]

spider-geddon is still not canon.

[@Spiderman2910]

@@Darthnuseditzit is Brian intihar confirmed it’s canon and insomniac peter literally mentions the events of spider geddon in the marvel’s spider man 2 prequel comic

[@Chesse0729]

Almost did the Jonah laugh when I saw the title💀

[@therealdealye]

friend or foe might be peak childhood

[@Crimson0047]

I can see why the Comics Insom's Spider man appears in aren't cannon to the games, the games are still ongoing and we wouldn't want a fast af spider man that could possibly outclass everybody in his universe + knowledge of the multiverse just going against venom

[@balsamic2947]

I thought Peter always held back subconsciously huh that just makes him cooler cause I would’ve killed some villains with in like 2 years max

[@themaninblack8271]

I really don't agree with the pumpkin bomb scaling the first ones he used are never shown to be similar again at any other point across two films even the flash effects and explosions are different Also Tom Spidey absolutely demolishes GG when he stopped holding back at the end lol

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

They skeleton'ize Eddie in Spider-Man 3. Plus Goblin doesn't think he can kill Spider-Man without making him "wish he were dead".

[@shaggy3741]

@CRISIS_COMICS But MJ...

[@tycemo707YT]

​@@CRISIS_COMICSBut also don't kill Harry and he took one to the face too. Does that make Harry and the goblin serum both more powerful than Venom and equal to Peter? And if he can tank a vaporizing bomb why does he die to a blade on a glider? These bombs seem either different or very inconsistent

[@SleepyBrady]

​@@tycemo707YTwho knows. The goblin rangs pierced peters suit yet the pumpkin bombs barely even tore past his mask. Harry tanks one to the face yet the goblins hover board was able to pierce through his armor with ease. Maybe it's just so goddamn sharp.

[@coreygordon8790]

As much as I like the original trilogy from my childhood. But this version is so much better

[@Celest_Star]

His appearance in across the spiderverse happens after the Spider-Man 2 game. Which is why he doesnt know about it in the game yet because the games before Spider-Man across the spiderverse.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

I agree. But Geddon was supposed to take place before Miles’ game, so Geddon isn’t canon.

[@MuteFru1t]

Power scaling just seems silly when doc ock who durability wise is just a normal human (with no training) can take multiple hits from spiderman

[@peckz.]

Or when harry tanked a goblin bomb with just a face scar, the same bomb that literally annihilated like 4 guys at the same time.

[@minilla2382]

That just makes him not a normal human then

[@peckz.]

@@minilla2382 harry tanked a green goblin bomb, the exact same one that literally erased out of existence like 5 men, does that makes him not human?

[@minilla2382]

@@peckz. What i meant to say that his durability isn't human level if he was able to tank the said bomb On ur side man

[@MuteFru1t]

@@peckz. Hadn't he already taken the goblin serum by that point?

[@adamtruong1759]

Interesting video. Never thought of Tobey's spider-man being that powerful (especially taking into account the MCU). Little sad insomniac spider-man didn't exactly win I'll admit, but I'm sure he'll get stronger by Marvel's Spiderman 3 so the gap isn't as big. And at anyrate, who will win battles are decided by the writers as Stan said.

[@poopfloatackedyourmans1115]

Power-scaling is so fucking annoying.

[@zachattackstheworld]

Tobey wins for now but like you said, Insoms Spiderman has plenty of time and room to grow power wise.

[@LeonColvet]

Nah, Insomniac's is stronger. Tobey fans are just finding everything they can to make him look better

[@TheGamingRift11]

@@LeonColvet how exactly is doing excessive research a bad thing? 🤔

[@alatus_knight]

​@@TheGamingRift11 don't bother with these fanboys

[@superjumpbros64]

Me: makes sense Toby loses to PS5 Me after the video: Well, taking all that into consideration, PS5 Peter doesn't win then...

[@faizanahmed8561]

Peter with anti venom was holding back against harry and just wanted to save him not kill him we can see that because in the final fight he kept doing his anti venom thing on harrys head to help him get out of the symbiotes control So you saying venom was bullying anti venom peter is correct but it is due to the fact peter was holding back. And after peter said i wont join you like this venom stopped holding back. Idk why crisis seems to cream over tobey and Tom while he hates insomniac spidermen especially peter I would also say electros attacks were Electricity instead of lightning but eh

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

I watched the full video and still call BS on Tobey winning, at least if you consider implications We know that Anti-Venom's powers aren't just negating symbiotes, they're negating any and all diseases and such. This also includes Spider-Man powers due to them coming from basically spider venom + sometimes radiation poisoning. If we consider Insomniac Anti-Venom to have all the same abilities as the standard Anti-Venom, he should stomp by just negating all of Tobey's powers.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

You’re applying the comic abilities of anti-venom onto the game version, which isn’t fair to do as it’s an adaption that takes plenty of liberties. By that logic Tobey = 616 in every facet and would solo per that alone since he’s an adaption of 616 Spidey.

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

@@CRISIS_COMICS My first thought was Edge Of Time, actually

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@thomasthecoolkid7228Different version altogether then. We can’t assume they share all the same abilities since every adaption changes the lore.

[@durpy8184]

If this was the case anti venom would drain ps5 SM's powers, you can't have it both ways my guy

[@comradekenobi6908]

​@@durpy8184hey wahts your pfp? Feels like ive seen it beforehand

[@elijahshewell1176]

I think his spidersense allows him to outmaneuver electros ability to lock onto him, not the lightning.

[@kingsmokey2652]

We see electro fire lightning at him and while it’s coming insomniac Peter dodges it in game mechanics and cutscenes. Also electro can move and react at lightning speed and peter and kraven( who neg diffed him) can tag him and beat him.

[@Beanhead_223]

U made me pop after I figured u was using MJF’s theme song in background

[@Wazzupproductions]

Insoms spidey:I’ve been waiting 8yrs for this Yuri!

[@imz3nith182]

Tobey bodies offa durability alone lol.

[@KDMSHOWCASE]

Well done Crisis another win for the raining, defending, Welterweight champion of the Sony/ MCU Spider-Verse

[@Flame75851]

Pfft yeah right

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@Flame75851 Hater!

[@yaboijuanito1460]

​@@Flame75851a certified hater🥱💯

[@bensawmiller3005]

People are saying Bully Maguire was outdone, and i think yall forgot. This man backhanded MJ to the floor after calling her his problem, ended a mans career AND stole his girl, and told his best friend “your dad never loved you” before blowing him tf up.

[@antichton1926]

Also, it’s pretty evident Spider-Man 2 happens before the events of ATSV. Also, why do you keep asserting that he fought a drastically weaker SSM? His new body is stated to be a synthesis of Spider-Clone DNA, and his DNA. He finds his current body exceptional. And even before the kick scene you mention, ISM & SSM in Issue #1 of SG were so evenly matched they couldn’t actually land a blow on each other.

[@cheezyfro144]

But it ain’t canon no more. That Spider-Man is a whole different Spidey (alternate maybe). But 616 Spiderman casually threw tanks, trucks, lifted buildings, and even lifted trains. Insomniac Spidey got crushed by a train in this game and couldn’t even move it. There’s nothing to compare now that they said it’s not canon.

[@antichton1926]

Can you prove it’s not canon? Spider-Man being unable to lift a train that’s being pinned on him isn’t exactly an inconsistency, considering he was more focused on making sure it didn’t smash into a gigantic gas tank. If you really want to go by inconsistencies, Zeb Wells had Spider-Man unable to break from chains by Tombstone. Not exactly a fair end to use.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Because when making a new clone body he refers to the old one as deteriorated and shitty - Superior Spider-Man 2018 #10

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@antichton1926 Here's the canon section of the video in case you missed it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpepqXWYhdiDpM0

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@antichton1926 That's not an inconsistency, Peter was fucked up in that run and unconsciously holds back to the point that it's out of his control.

[@azula2kutt807]

Add ultimate spiderman from the comics to your tierlist and web of shadows spiderman 🙏

[@JamesClark-uj1oh]

I hope this is a close fight

[@vomap5981]

i enjoyed the raimi movies more for the story and emotional roller coasters tied to peter parker and spiderman , TASM followed the formula had more focus towards spidey , but i’m not attached as much to Tom holland at all for some reason

[@scotttrail522]

12:57 Y'know, the more you take a moment to stop and think about it. . . Peter didn't even NEED TO BE THERE. All Miles had to do, was keep hitting Sandman with Venom Punches.

[@Miraphes]

Peter developed the plan to take down Sandman, and was bringing the water towers to wet him so that Miles could have more impact. Between sand clones and the giant main body it’d be pretty tough for Miles to keep up alone.

[@goodluckudeonwe]

You guys are forgeting one thing about Raimiverse spiderman, and that's electro. In NWH, Electro got an arc reactor Amp and he might be an avenger level threat with that alone. This could also mean that electro can and i quote, damage Thanos just like tony stark. So if im correct, Raimiverse spiderman would be able to tank a hit from Thanos and get right back up. Also, Raimiverse spiderman would scale above MCU iron spiderman because of how he got wrecked by green goblin AND Doc ock and in spiderman 2, when spiderman was fighting Doc ock, the arms were pleading with Doc ock to find a way to beat him, not sure about that tho. Now in the end of spiderman 2, Spiderman was able to pull MJ from the artificial star and im pretty sure the sun was pulling everything in New york. Now this fight will be close but with how strong insomniacverse Spiderman got, He would win with high extreme difficulty. Game Raimiverse spiderman solos tho.

[@sergadqwas5870]

how does electro being able to HURT thanos translate to THANOS NOT HURTING SPIDERMAN

[@jvbon646]

Yes, Raimiverse Peter is faster, stronger, and more agile than MCU Iron Spider Tobey was able to hold a long 1v1 against Doc Oc, with nothing more than just a fabrics suit Meanwhile Tom had the Iron Spider (which amps his Speed, Durability, and Strength) + an advanced AI + 4 Extra Legs to match Doc Oc's extra arms, and he still got completely humilliated by Doc Oc. His arm were even able to tear apart the Iron Spider suit like paper. Had his suit been not been made of Nanomachines able to move around, and instead just classic tech like the previous Irom Man suits were, he would've died right there before having a chance to show his face.

[@humanman9920]

No, best argument we have for insomniac strength boost is 200 tons to his base capability of 10 tons . He would not win against Base Tobey who doesn't have the Venom weakness for insomniac to exploit while he's still significantly inferior in most physical stats. And no offense for this one , but mcu Thanos is not all that strong come on , Raimi spiderman already tanked several of giant sandman's hits that CAUSED QUAKES while being choked by a Venom that was stronger than him too . THE HELL DO YOU THINK THANOS GONNA DO WITH JUST HIS PHYSICAL STRENGTH ?

[@AwFiddleStickss]

Insomniac Spider-Man stomps.

[@doomboi4675]

The guy that couldn't lift a train off himself and almost got cooked by Cletus. I don't think so Tobey Wrecks him

[@humanman9920]

@@doomboi4675 Ikr , bro got burnt alive just like that if it weren't for Yuri saving him then pushing the train off him by a truck that was standing right beside .

[@gorge1365]

Thank you Crisis, I was debating these Insomiac Sony Fanboys that Tobey's Spider-Man is above by a lot to Insomiac Spider-Man, but they keep with the bs hype for the game. You can make a video about Andrew's Spider-Man as well beating Insomiac Spider-Man.

[@BusinessStanderBoy]

Debate me . Insomniac duo is stronger than NWH trio

[@gorge1365]

@@BusinessStanderBoy Bullshit, go to bed kid.

[@BusinessStanderBoy]

@@gorge1365 You’re the kid if you avoid it

[@BusinessStanderBoy]

Or blinded by nostalgia fan ?

[@sergiu1605]

Casually forgets the part where insomniac's spider-man lifts and oil truck with ease which weighs ~ 30 tons

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Less than the train feat…

[@ramirosapo]

Did you even see the part of Tobey's star feat?

[@sergiu1605]

@@ramirosapo yea it's a whole lotta assumptions

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

0 assumptions. The math is based on what is said in the official novel and what is shown in the movie.

[@bigevil1001]

@@CRISIS_COMICSIt's actually implied in the 1st game that Insomniac already performed the train feat. "That totally worked last time."

[@Johnn1915]

This means Sam Ramis MJ can withstand a star

[@jinsungyuu8365]

See thx for pointing out how stupid this is, also, if Tobey can life 11.5 million tons, then he shouldn’t have passed out trying to stop the train, which was in the same movie, and in the 1st game, Insomniac was able to stop a train using his own 2 arms and he was just fine after that

[@jeenoisada5096]

if you're using the fact that tobey spidey has fought other spider-men before shouldn't the same be said for insomniac spidey? cause he's appeared in the atsv movie + had a comic run where he fought 616 spidey (one of the strongest iterations of spidey, and insomniac fought pretty well against him)

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

He never fought anyone in ATSV and the comics aren’t canon to the games, plus 616 Peter holds back on some DCAU Superman type ish.

[@SchlompyGames]

@@CRISIS_COMICSI’m pretty sure the comics are canon cause I remember Jon Paquette (one of the main writers for the games) confirming it was

[@FluppietheRockruffFan]

​@@CRISIS_COMICSThey are though, otherwise why include any multiverse stuff like the spider-verse quest at all?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

The writer for the games said he isn’t sure if they’re canon.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Spider-Verse is in a different multiverse than the comic multiverse; so Geddon and etc are non-canon. I literally explain this in this video and my most recent community post.

[@kyleabela1211]

Neat video and explanations! However, you played “Dig Deep” when going over Insomniac Spidey feats, so I’m going to pretend you said he won anyway!

[@chadnarukami8071]

Cope tobey stomps insomniac spider-man and it's not even close to a fair fight.

[@kyleabela1211]

@@chadnarukami8071 I apologize, I’m not truly under the impression Insomniac wins. I know Tobey is one of the most powerful Spidey’s around. My comment was just meant to be satirical because I heard a professional wrestling theme.

[@comradekenobi6908]

​@@kyleabela1211funny since that reminds me tobey did try wrestling once "thats a cute outfit did you husband gave it to you?"

[@cenoking]

Thanks for the video would you consider doing a video on Stephanie brown I rarely find content on her.

[@Shahriyararin63]

Insomniac Spider Man > Sam Raimi's Spider Man Bully Lowenthal > Bully Maguire

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Me when I lie.

[@Shahriyararin63]

@@CRISIS_COMICS what you mean? Everything about Insomniac is better then Sam Raimi's Spider Man

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@Shahriyararin63 Did you watch the video?

[@Shahriyararin63]

@@CRISIS_COMICS yeah what about it?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@Shahriyararin63 So you should know that Tobey is better. Why do you disagree?

[@humanhybrid924]

Insomniac destroys

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

^ Didn't watch the video

[@fidelgames]

How do you think Tobey would fare against MCU characters? Like if he had to fight against the Avengers or if he was placed in the Civil War fight how do you think he'd do?

[@ramirosapo]

He probably would have beaten Cap in their respective fight.

[@Kek393]

@@ramirosapo probably? Tobey from the wrestling fight in SM1 would have fodderized cap. As far as I'm concerned the only ones he'd actually lose against are Phase 2+ Thor and Hulk but even then he'd have a chance.

[@JJ-zo7jv]

Tobey slams i fear

[@A.H.goose1]

@@Kek393 I’m sure he’d have a great chance against post ragnarok Thor and infinity war iron man who ran the ones with Thanos, definitely 👍 💀

[@Kek393]

@@A.H.goose1 Tom in IW itself has shown to be stronger than Stark are you good? Tobey basically no diffs Infinity War Stark unless he has access to hax.

[@JibsWashere]

Can you do The Web of Shadows spiderman vs Insomniac Spiderman?