EVERY SIDEWINDER COMPARED: AIM-9B to AIM-9L

Watch them add a new one next update and make this video obsolete
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0:00 - Overview
0:29 - AIM-9B / RB24
2:19 - AIM-9E
3:18 - AIM-9B FGW.2
3:46 - AIM-9J / P / RB24J / Flz Lwf 63/80
5:02 - AIM-9D
5:46 - AIM-9C (goofy ahh)
7:01 - AIM-9G
7:24 - AIM-9H
8:01 - AIM-9L
10:01 - Recap
10:27 - Some other variants not added to WT yet
11:04 - Outro

[@jaek_898]

Yes, I know the R-3S is derived from the AIM-9B. No, it is not an AIM-9B, it's different (worse), I guess a lot of people think it's copy paste. When I say USSR is the only tree without a 9B, I mean they're the only one without an actual name brand 9B. The soviet/chinese sidewinders from wish might look like their american counterparts, but they are unique and they deserve their own video. Keep in mind launch ranges vary drastically depending on the situation- an AIM-9B might struggle to hit a 1.5km shot in a supersonic chase while an AIM-9L might be able to reach over 10km in ideal conditions. "2-3km" was a generalization for the 9B. Also I guess I used the 9G when talking about the 9D's range, it doesn't matter since the 9D, 9G, and 9H all have identical range anyway

[@jankiefer3039]

Your videos are straight fire 🔥

[@jarebare510]

you should have measured the thrust of the missiles in delta V, it wouldn't have mattered as much because all aim9s weigh about the same, but its a better number to compared to other missiles you may see. Edit: It would be most helpful to have both, to prove than the 9D has a longer range than the 9J, or even an R60.

[@tavolo2969]

USSR is not the only one without the 9B. We have Sweden too

[@XxCarrt3rxX]

Now do every ir missile :)

[@roadhigher]

@@tavolo2969 RB-24's and RB-24J are identical to the AIM-9B and AIM-9J in every way other than the name. The R-3S has slight differences to the AIM-9B while the R-3R and R-13M are completely unique missiles.

[@SkinkUA]

EVERY PLANE COMPARED: FROM PO-2 TO F-14B

[@jaek_898]

Oh dear god

[@vavord5181]

AND DON'T FORGET TB-3!!

[@hydrodrift]

Po-2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F-14

[@user-up6in3sk4s]

Yeessssss

[@user-up6in3sk4s]

I’ll help

[@ODST_Parker]

Video would've been too long?! My guy, you make these as long as you want. I'm here for it, all the way. Thank you so much for making simple yet comprehensive guides like this. It's always useful information, answering small questions I've had for a long time, but never bothered to research myself. Love learning anything I can about these things.

[@R0ZEN7]

Have you ever made a video before? Quite a lot of work can go into them.

[@ODST_Parker]

@@R0ZEN7 Yeah, that's probably why I said "as long as you want" and not "make them longer."

[@perennialE]

This is me when I compare the differences between every AIM-9 Sidewinder in the game

[@whiskersthecatboi]

Omg it's NileThunder

[@Rorywizz]

peenreenial moment!

[@dinner_is_kay2940]

The 9L flare resistance part explained something that happened to me earlier today very well. The clip on how not to flare it looked exactly like what I did :sob: so thanks for the clarification. Very good video.

[@luckytronc2083]

Ive been waiting for a good comparison for the sidewinder thank you so much!

[@TheDAWinz]

Another informative Jaek BANGER!!! Thanks for the information jaek.

[@Sweeps_]

There’s a high chance of gaijin adding AIM-9M to the game soon since the R73 is coming and they’ll need a suitable counterpart for it

[@vavord5181]

I'm sure, R73 for that new Su-25 will be just some sort of a techbed - a way to justify appearance of a missile in battles while testing it, tuning its performance and analyzing data. And then, I guess in summer 2024 we will see it appearing for a variety of fighters.

[@TheDAWinz]

The best 9M is still inferior to the earliest R73.

[@Mr.TangerineMan]

They are gonna add the r73 nerfed like it was in the dev server and how the magic 2 is toned down. They arent gonna add aim9m and they arent gonna give r73 eccm like it has so there is no need for aim9m since it is an aim9l with a different seeker

[@Skoodelly]

@@TheDAWinz The latest AIM9M variant the AIM-9M-8/9 (there is also the AIM-9M-10 upgrade retrofitted Sidewinder missiles from the AIM-9M-8 configuration to meet the requirements of the F/A-18E/F flight environment) features an upgraded seeker which incorporated electronics processing modifications to improve the tracking capabilities against modern Infrared Countermeasures (aka IRCM), The earliest r73s while arguably better performing than the AIM-9M lacked potent countermeasure resistance which wasnt fixed until the "Mayak" OGS MK-80 upgrade was introduced (it improved the missile in many ways other than flare resistance for example how well it tracks targets but I am too bored to write it all). So no, the best aim9m is not inferior than the earliest R73, It's either better because of the potent flare resistance or a side grade but is in no means objectively inferior. However when talking about comparing the aim9m to the later r73 variants its safe to say that yes the r73s are probably substantially better.

[@AZ-dj1ni]

​@@TheDAWinzhow is inferior?

[@adyvipond4342]

These are some awesome videos, just awesome mate well done! Could listen to this stuff all day.

[@greywhizzadventurer8535]

Dude I gotta admit your channel is one of the best at providing this sort of highly detailed yet at a glance info. No other Warthunder channel I've found is as informative and concise as yours. Here's hoping to lots more comparison guide videos from you! (P.S. I am grinding through the German Soviet jets right now, can we see a Russian Missiles comparisons sometime soon?)

[@SeekerHead]

-4:50 you saying stuff like this mid video completely catches me off guard, professional and clean script then randomly says “kind of cheeks” 💀

[@jaek_898]

Joob is not ready for me to use the word "junt" in a script

[@tomtech1537]

Excellent content, great to have some current information coming out.

[@matiasphantom3581]

We need videos like this, i really love what are you doing here

[@EzioD86]

Too long ? u jokin man, these are DELICIOUS to see and hear again and again

[@PraecipeWrit]

Great job! Every missile in the game deserves such an imformative guide.

[@Skoodelly]

Ngl your videos about missiles are genuinely one of my favorites across war thunder yt, they are really well made.

[@CaptainLegionary]

YESSSS!!!!!! ive been waiting forever!!!!!

[@jackschenk9516]

Small note, absolutely love the background choice for music. I’m a huge AC fan

[@-Hari-03]

another 10/10 vid jaek :)

[@lalelin7727]

Excelent video man, thanks so much.

[@madrigo]

great video with amazing soundtrack. cheers!

[@nemanjaaleksic644]

Very usefull explanation mate. Week ago i had bought F-5C and in meantime i managed to adapt to it. Now ill have better awearnes about enemy missiles😊

[@peter_bg7967]

damn i rlly wanted to see the ebay sidewinders BUT still amazing video dude please keep em up!!!

[@jaek_898]

The ebay sidewinders can probably be their own video 🙏

[@gruneflamme2013]

A nice bonus for the AIM-9G (and above) is that some rangefinders can also slave the missile seeker, though you sometime don't get to choose which aircraft is targeted if you have a tight group ahead of you. My Kfir C2 grind was really bad until I unlocked the G.

[@0GTXR]

I really needed that, thanks.

[@soflam4276]

nice music choice man

[@christianmariogreco9330]

ac music while on a war thunder lesson is therapeutic. thank you for this wonderful explanation.

[@YouvBeenThumped]

This has helped me a lot today with the F-4EJ ADTW

[@thatguywhousesr3105]

very informative. cool video dude

[@_Gypsy]

These guides make high tier make sense, thanks. lol

[@aldousfoxly]

Thank you, very helpful video

[@JasonLatouche]

This is amazing... the best combination between history, physics, teaching and game parameters ever...

[@red_moon_7760]

If you are willing to sacrifice a bit of accuracy, its easier to read the booster force in kilo newton instead of newton. For example in the aim 9e, it can be just 18.1 kN instead of 18100 N.

[@jaek_898]

This is a good point

[@memecat_]

After that intro you know it's gonna be great

[@__pizzaWT]

6:55 got me kek

[@DamianBeBallin]

ello pizza

[@aceofthunder9868]

Nice video, will you do a f86 sabre comparison some time?

[@theegunpro4561]

I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, THAT ACE COMBAT 5 OST IS GODLIKE. PURE NOSTALGIA

[@coucoul38]

Subscribed

[@Lykas_mitts]

0:43 I mean technically the R-3 is an Aim-9B copy, well reverse engineered but heyo.

[@jace8785]

Thats also what the chinese pl 2 are too

[@jamesmorton7881]

The AIM_9H. Lead bias was ongoing during my internship in the late 60s at Mic Labs. Great times at NWC.

[@ImLoreYT]

Bro is a godsend to the war thunder community

[@CodyChegwidden-jo8ik]

Your middle videos are great! Can you add the Aim 9m?

[@greywhizzadventurer8535]

Quick update to whoever watches this video and sorts by new, the Aim 9J and Flz Lwf 63/80 no longer has radar slaving for whatever reason. So it is NOT equivalent to the Aim 9P or the RB24J which still retains radar slaving. Doesn't sound like a big deal to some but it can be an extremely useful ability to radar lock someone to keep the seeker on while in an intense dogfight.

[@kiliandrilltzsch8272]

well the Flz Lwf 63/80 is on a hunter with a small radar. so radarslavnig wont be really a thing when it can detect planes outside the radar range

[@SuperDeathgun]

This is great stuff, can we get guides like this for Soviet missiles too?

[@GeneralLee2000]

Me when AIM-9Meatloaf

[@Vipbossguy]

what💀

[@emergency_broadcast_system]

I remember when the aim9L actually resisted flares back a few updates ago. But now it's basically just a longer ranged r60m

[@TamamoF0X]

9L still amazing tho, as most people think dumping flares and not even turning off afterburner is sufficient enough, then coping with some bug that never existed

[@Pururut]

@@TamamoF0X my only gripe is it has no place on things like the a-10 and a-6e

[@kiri101]

Finally someone makes a guide I can understand before my coffee goes cold! I'd love to hear more about other nations' missiles, particularly the quirks of the Chinese ones. The best feature of the video was the consistent graph and the emphasis on the branching paths between Navy and Air Force missiles; the real world context aids memorisation and the flowchart kept it manageable once there were too many items to organise in short term memory. Bonus points for actually referencing the game files instead of just 'I think'.

[@jopl2597]

I once actually managed to do the trade missiles thing with a su25, and after it flared his R60, my 9B managed to proxy fuse the su25 while not being guided, imo pretty cool

[@averagegmail]

The added flare resistance of the 9M then the 9L was an understatement

[@Leelocke1024]

Papi uploaded again⁉️⁉️⁉️

[@WalvisYT]

When AIM-54 comparison video? I need to know which one if better for dogfigthing.

[@MokkaHai]

poggies

[@luckypingu8514]

Aim9C my beloved missile

[@viberplays6796]

Can you make a f4e guide next? Nice video anyways

[@greenmountaineer]

As of the last update, the AIM9J no longer supports radar slaving, but has an absolutely massive seeker gimbal range

[@Garfieldonaperc]

Every Jaek post Compared

[@rolandjaycutter3504]

Would love to see a video one the MiG-23s.

[@Adaminkton]

Now waiting for all soviet missiles compered!

[@garudalead]

I call the 9D the Sniper Missile because at altitude it can absolutely get a kill from 5km away.

[@moldovarnidk]

you should do a video comparing every mig 21 in game

[@Z.O.M.G]

Locking onto the sun is crazy

[@bootstraspbill]

Would you do the soviet IR missiles too please?

[@monkesoldier3002]

Maybe now MACLOS and SACLOS A2A missiles?? Or stinger and stinger-like missiles comparison?

[@janstefan694]

AIM9C is total badass. One of my favorite missiles.

[@tartzmir7934]

Note: the new AIM-9Ms have IRCCM similar to the Russian R-73s, the catch being that the R-73s use Gateway whilst the AIM-9M uses a querky unlock mechanic, simply to put, if it sees multiple heat source, it will turn off it's lock, this means that after it passes the flare and only see a single heat source left, it'll relock, the best way to counter it right now is to flare with afterburner off whilst changing aspect

[@jaek_898]

Only AIM-9M has it. 9L has increased flare resistance in the same way that the R60M and Python 3 do.

[@tartzmir7934]

@@jaek_898mb thx for pointing out anyways

[@user-fc6yi3ve9t]

If I were to guess, I think track rate is how often the missile updates tracking information every second or something like that. Just a guess

[@0GTXR]

Can you make that intro as a youtube short?

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

How do you find the specific information missiles, in the game files? I wish gaijin put some of this information on the missile stat thing

[@Vahni06]

Something really interesting I found was the AIM-9J’s has a seeker that tracks a specific range of temperature, rejecting early flares. I was playing GRB with my F-5E and fired one at an Su-25 and while they were flaring, the missile hit around 2-3 second later.

[@jaek_898]

AIM-9Js can ignore flares sometimes, especially from rear aspect, same as other missiles from that era. There are only three types of flares in the game: large caliber, small caliber, and BOL (F14B/Gripen's extra flares). Against small caliber flares like the Su25 has, it's pretty rare, but it does happen.

[@impguardwarhamer]

this is a great video but itd be nice for someone to do a video like this but from a more historical and technical irl perspective

[@reedman0780]

Please do one for Russian missiles, as the sps K is in quite a bit of a weird position. It has ussr missiles but those at the tech tree has western missiles. R-60s are also changing from time to time and the guides for either the missiles or the plane are outdated now. Oh and the R-3R being nice at head ons to those that dont expect it

[@addam6666]

Here is a cool way to use 9-B: if the enemy is faster than you fire the missile to force him to turn and then get him with more reliable guns

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

Every sidewinder name: just an added letter or a slightly different number Germany: *MAKE IT A FRACTION!!!*

[@Tjecktjeck]

I always thought radar sleeving also slightly increases the angle of which missile can lock on to target in relative to their 6. I am wrong?

[@real_pl]

you should compare all the ussr missiles next

[@AJ-170SkyStriker]

In a few years, the AIM-9X may start seeing things. The famous "launch at planes behind you" Sidewinder

[@bathtuub2819]

I knew all of this information ( same with the f-16 and phantom vids) but yet i still feel compelled to watch all the videos. Am I insane?

[@liormalka8246]

The aim-9D seems to have some sort of flare resistance; it’ll always go for the target and not a flare within 1km.

[@PandaJoe14801]

Heya jaek. Just a quick question how do you get the kill icons on the kill feed? I also have the custom aircraft destroyed word or what ever you call it and what I see in the kill feed is something that goes along the lines of (mg_bullet icon) or something

[@jaek_898]

Sounds like your lang folder is out of date, you need to delete the lang folder, restart the game, re-do your custom kill messages and it should be fixed.

[@boltzz5452]

can you make the version of the Russian missiles too? I still try to understand the R-60

[@Cam64viper]

One on Russian missiles would be really helpful!

[@omniguru9788]

I don’t play anymore and I never got to the high tiers but it was still a good watch

[@captaincipher]

Bro threw in the ace combat 5 lobby music and thought we wouldn’t notice!

[@DrGrim-et6db]

Something regarding track rate, i found that track rate is limited by g force, launching a missiles high speed is less effective than low speed, do a test between the aim 9g(12°track) vs the shafrir 2°(20 track), at 500 km speed, you will notice that missiles will pull more in slow speed.

[@emeraldeyes9246]

Here's a fun thing for missles, make your drop bomb series the same as your fire missiles button, carry 2 bombs, select fire all as the drop bomb series, drop bombs then use the drop bomb series to fire the missiles, enjoy your ace combat gameplay

[@WOLFER.]

AIM-9M is also a 40G missiles, its fins are reinforced allowing the fins to be more aggressive and have 40G's i heard it also has very early thrust vectoring but that last bit im very un sure off as i couldnt gind any sources except for dcs but as for the reinforced fins, that is true and there are sources of that being mentioned, and its flare resistance is going to be alot better than the R73 but it can be flared, youll probably have to put your throttle all the way lower than 50% and pop 3 flares at intervals will turning into to the missile

[@Jaystarzgaming]

The M’s are now in the game with the F-15A and F-16C

[@Rorywizz]

I remember getting the Harrier gr.7 before AIM-9Ls were nerfed against flares and i swear on anything it was the best fighter in the game at the time

[@ovrwrldkiler]

I remember feeling exasperation as they would just slap me through flares even with the throttle down. 'Aw shit I guess I just got outplayed'. XD

[@Loading...2740.]

Time to update this video

[@cossackfalco]

its crazy how a single rocket that didn't explode and was embedded into a enemy aircraft was able to be taken apart and re-engineered to make their own

[@icy3-1]

*Tone intensifies*

[@Mercnotforhire]

Honestly, a video covering the different families of missiles would be great considering WT doesn't really have much in the way of community guides, and the wiki is....sparse.

[@deliriousgaming9432]

AIM-9X when? Lol I’ll be excited for AIM-120s myself

[@STHV_]

The 9D is also used by the British Phantoms

[@Joni-fx5xq]

Pls do french Radar missels, there are som of the Most junike in the game

[@radityalungguksatyaputra9284]

excuse me sir, I just bought F8E and I'm having a hard time with the stock, how do you win using F8E, and how to use aim 9d and aim 9c what is the distance to launch and what conditions to pay attention to?

[@V4Ng0]

believe me the HAP seems the goofiest of all

[@-Atlas98]

I don’t know why, but when I play any Kfir, I only drop flares once with full afterburner on and it’s enough(80% of matches)

[@bubblesofthecoast6393]

7:25 iirc, the 9H was designed due to issues with the 9G regarding operating off a carrier, so it makes sense that it isn't that different from the 9G, if at all otherwise.

[@jaek_898]

It also had some better actuators apparently, so it's supposed to be a little more responsive to changes in direction AFAIK, I guess gaijin didn't model that (or there isn't a good source on it)

[@bubblesofthecoast6393]

@@jaek_898 Guess that must be why they changed the number from 12 to 20. Too bad it really doesn’t do much of anything

[@preston1172]

Soviet missiles next? :)