Quick And Dirty Guide To Active Radar Missiles

A quick and dirty guide showing you the basics about the new active radar missiles just added into War Thunder!
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AIM-120A, AIM-120B, AAM4, Derby, MicaEM, Pl-12, R-77, RB99, R-Darter

[@BlackHawkBallistic]

Inb4 an update tomorrow changes half these things per the usual from the snail 🤣

[@TimsVariety]

See - we joke about this - but TRUE FKN STORY HERE : The mid-day update that "fixed" the datalink numbers on a few planes, including the Mirage 2000 (from 2 to 4) I used in the later half of this vid, posted AS I WAS UPLOADING THIS VIDEO!! ... I had to cancel the upload, get a new screenshot/graphic for the radar, and re-record that audio bit because the snail changed something AS I WAS FKN UPLOADING!!!!! .... the curse is real folks, its fkn REAL ! !

[@BlackHawkBallistic]

@@TimsVariety that's hilarious, it seems like every technical video something like this happens, it may be because you're so quick getting the videos out you beat gaijin to the punch on their bug fixes. I hope you never buy lottery tickets Tim 🤣

[@TimsVariety]

@@BlackHawkBallistic ... funny story about my experience with lottery tickets .. but I'll save that for another day ..

[@jaydenblain3599]

@@TimsVariety i actually hope they change the whole system of guidance on the radar scope. its too clustered. the timer should count down to time to activation/pitbull, and then when it reaches 0 and goes active, the timer changes to time to impact. or maybe a new piece of HUD near the radar that shows those things. because its very hard to get an idea when my missile is self sufficient and im putting myself in danger. going from a dashed line to solid is a bad design choice since the dashed line by definition is solid in some places which makes it hard to tell if its a solid line, or a short section of a dashed line. that and the whole circle around the target makes it very difficult to judge what your missile is doing

we can also call "Maddog" when you fire a fox 3 hot off the rail, meaning as soon as you hit that weapon release button the missile no longer cares about you or needs you, its a strong independent missile who dont need no jet

[@finnm.2582]

The F-14 had a covered ACM Boresight switch that has done that for the AIM-54.

[@unlimitedtimez341]

I think maddog is slightly different, its when you fire it with no lock at all and hope that it picks up a target with its own radar

[@KADNemesis94]

@@unlimitedtimez341 That is correct Sir

[@Micro-Lander]

Hoping they add that functionality in game, too much of a cluster fuck to be guiding these things in unlike VTOL VR ​@@unlimitedtimez341

[@wapniak666]

Does this work properly in WT? I noticed mutliple times now that If I hard lock someone (no tws), fire ammram and then instantly de-lock enemy, my missile just flies straight and doesn't pick any target

[@TimsVariety]

7 comments within 1 minute. Holy crap, folks! :-O

[@guitar7279]

Banger video

[@therat6004]

Hell yeah!!

[@Razgriz_Swordsman]

We crave for content, father

[@Thud105D]

He fell on

[@ObusPerduYT]

Bro did not fell off

[@AverageWTPilot]

That was the perfect level of detail to go into! Thanks!

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

I'd watch a two hour video. Your information and showcasing is always useful. Just wish the smaller matches would pop up a lot more, and make it less likely to kill friendlies. One person said they played I think 20 matches, and only got into one small one. Thanks for the video Tim!

[@Razgriz_Swordsman]

Since i consider myself to be a visual learner, these examples of how to use the Fox-3 are amazing! Thank you Tim!

[@Hfchgdhijgvv]

Comment for the algorithm. This channel is so underrated.

[@josephb2280]

I appreciate this video so much, everyone was talking about these and I felt so left out having absolutely zero idea how they worked!

[@Trojanponey]

Hey Tim would you consider doing a video or a segment on notching/chaff usage in this new active radar missile world?

[@Doberman300]

🎉 Activity for the algorithm comment. Also I can't believe you've already got so many planes with fox 3's, that's gotta be record timing.

[@TimsVariety]

Most of them are temporary rentals from the snail through the content creator program.

[@Doberman300]

@@TimsVariety forgot the snail knows you exist

[@Yooski]

More activity for your algorithm 👍 Keep up the good work

[@romandrip9119]

I love it quick and dirty😉🤣🤣.. Thanks for the video brother!!!

[@Sagaleon14]

My pc died and I can’t play this anymore but I’m here to give views to Tim the goat :^)

[@quinnroberts3309]

Thanks for this. I always feel like I'm messing up when I'm using bvr missiles like this, so this is very very useful for me

[@kpgIRA]

Tim will see us through these trying times. 🙏

[@DaveMason-iz2bu]

Very helpful, thank you

[@uss_liberty_incident]

Thanks a ton for putting this together. Outstanding info as always.

[@timwillis4063]

Wooo thanks! Listening to this while at work.

[@soot.wildfire]

Every question i had answered, great vid! Looking forward to the in depth guides too!

[@Fffffffffffffffffrfrf]

Greatevideo Tim! Thank you!!

[@homertorres5900]

Love your videos man!

[@zachthepizzaguy]

thank you for the great vid as always!

[@enterchannelname8981]

sick video, thanks Tim

[@slayo710]

Love you Tim thanks for being helpful. Nobody else makes this type of video being informative and fun at the same time

[@Padgeot]

Good video, thank you Tim.

[@rstebnicki]

Nice and clean, thx.

[@PotatoBreadYum]

thanks tim, was looking for this video. even though i don't have a jet with fox 3 missiles, this will be helpful in the future! as always your videos are the best and so well explained :)

[@cadenlee8780]

This was really helpful

[@jimbobhootenanny4440]

Thanks tim!

[@Crusher99a]

Fantastic video as usual. Thanks for getting something out quickly, the introduction of fox 3’s has been crazy.

[@corybrown2197]

It may be a glitch but I’ve found that despite the 16km lock range listed in the stat card, the actual pitbull range of at least the AIM-120 is 25km. I’ve gotten plenty of cheeky 25km kills. And the radar readout reinforces this. When you launch the missile and it’s too far, it shows an amount of the line to the target being dotted if it’s too far to track on its own. The approximate range that it’s no longer dotted and it’s solid is around 25km or just short of. This was one of the first things I tested, just so I could understand what the new missile UI meant when I launched. And like I said it may be a glitch. But currently. The AMRAAM is going pitbull at 25km

[@blanchbacker]

That’s what I thought, hope they keep it that way. 16 miles is 25.75KM so maybe it’s a typo

[@corybrown2197]

@@blanchbacker would make sense.

[@planenerd9079]

You're an inspiration man

[@hydrogencyanide2493]

Great video and guide. Didn't know what Fox 3 meant until I watched this.

[@ryangilbert2416]

You gonna get me in trouble if someone sees this vid in my search history “ quick and dirty “

[@Kyoptic]

Token engagement offering the algo-gods

[@dotnask0001]

I’ve been waiting for your tutorials to get into the new update.

[@TheGamegurusChannel]

Good refresher. I would love to see maybe some advice on using the Phoenix against the new fox 3s whenever you do your big update video

[@chillypenguin4449]

AMRAAM go brrrr

[@mortexic4939]

Happy to see a predator drone used as the target at 1:24

[@TimsVariety]

"I hate that fkn plane...." kzbin.info/www/bejne/laiac6itj5KoZtU

[@Zeber]

Thanks Tim, you're the best source and go-to on info for these kinds of things. Legend! Gaijin hoping we don't understand, get frustrated and skip to just buy premiums lol.

[@anno-fw7xn]

A how to counter tham would be great! Thanks for you great work

[@sagichdochned]

Hey Tim :) Any Chance you can put the Cockpits also into your Guides in the future? Would be awesome for Sim. Players☺️

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

I sure love flying stock planes in Top Tier 🤡

[@TimsVariety]

Its a whole new world of pain & suffering!

[@LightningFox512]

How did I miss this for 9 hours

[@frank-7861]

In the missile guide can you include examples and meaning for every symbol, number, and shape in the 3rd person as well as the new cockpit mfd radars? Thank you!

[@MrMandown46]

Tim, if we ever end up in jail together, I will protect you. ♥

[@thomaszhang3101]

Can you please do a new review on Red Top missile and Sea Vixen now that it has been changed? Did it get better or worse?

[@augustotto4312]

Could you do a video on squadron vs squadron battles. My squadron would love to help.

[@SPACECOWBOY_Hej]

Great video with the new info Timothy, your channel is underrated asf

[@creepyfishman6858]

Any tips on how to grind out a new jet (specifically the jas39c) without them?

[@TheBranchez]

Would you do a full controls video guide? I came back to WT after couple of months of not playing and this is just pure horror at top tier.

[@TimsVariety]

People ask for it now and then, but going over my personal control setup wouldn't be a lot of help as I use an Elgato Streamdeck and a sort of MFD in addition to my KB and stuff.

[@TheBranchez]

@TimsVariety ahh makes sense. My hopes went up in flames, just now, since you are the go-to guy for WT guides. I should have assumed something like that was the case since you did not do it before. I do not have the patience nor really the idea to set up my own controls and it is much easier to just copy someone else's who put some thought into it and made it work and made it convenient. I adapt real fast, a game or two is enough. So don't judge me 🫣 Anyway, thanks for the response, it is appreciated. Keep up the good work, buddy 🫡

[@homertorres5900]

Awesome

[@xvll-l1589]

More Quick And Dirty Guide 5 min guides please

[@ondrejpokluda2877]

how is the new update for you? personally i found the balance of performance between nation much closer

[@StylesTheMaus]

Hey tim do you think we will get a euro fighter next patch and thoughts on the multipathing nerf seems like top tier is a shitshow right now and pre chaff and notching is pretty tough to pull off Love the content cant wait for more

[@wapniak666]

>do you think we will get a euro fighter next patch Not a chance lol, i doubt its gonna be this year

[@StylesTheMaus]

@@wapniak666 dont gotta destroy my hopes and dreams like that :(

[@shaunkelly9053]

What does it mean, shoot down front vs shoot down all aspect?

[@Mani_Gamer885]

I have a question. I noticed the new US AV-8B Plus has Aim-120s as well, but it's radar DOES NOT have a data link section when you check it on X-ray view. Does this mean it can only use Aim-120s with a hard lock when outside the missile's 16km lock range or within 16km with TWS so that the missile leaves the rail hot?

[@TimsVariety]

Assuming its not an oversight (I haven't looked in datamines or anything before typing this reply), and the Harrier's radar does NOT have a datalink value listed, then I would assume you are generally correct that it could only provide a link to 1 missile at a time (or possibly none, relying entirely on IOG).

[@RiznNuke]

Remember Mad Dogging missiles for teh full review

[@christoffermonikander2200]

For anyone familiar with European fotball the Derby Air-to-Air missile sounds scary.

[@prex2000]

might be a good idea to comment that the F-15J(M) can only carry four AAM-4's

[@NyanCatMatt]

as someone nowhere near top tier to utilize this guide, 4:45 is actually surprising. wouldn't IFF be able to distinguish, well, friend or foe? even if it's because NATO and Soviet jets can be on the same team, couldn't gaijin just set it up to be "red = bad, blue = good"? maybe it's not that simple? i don't know.

[@eliasl332]

Do AIM-120A completely replace the AIM-9M since they have 5 more G overload?

[@TimsVariety]

Too early to say.

[@ThaiLitzki]

I have more fun playing F14 than the new meta... the Aim 54 are insane right now with the mulipathing "gone" My loadout is called the "long yeets" at least two kills per game.

[@FlyNfortress]

how can you tell when your missile is close enough to rely on its own radar?

[@lucasguia6030]

idk if it was a mistake or something but the Baz upgrade was missing from the derby list

[@TimsVariety]

I just double checked - neither of the F-15 Baz models carry the Derby.

[@levgorlov3566]

Is there any way to dodge them other than notching or cranking?

[@TimsVariety]

Thats .. a FAR more complicated topic .. and I'll probably do a dedicated video on countermeasures and evasion at some point.

[@obamnaprismus]

Honestly the only way I've found of dodging FOX-3s is by notching and praying. 50/50 wituation, too; it hits or it misses. You should try that

[@Doberman300]

I've had the most luck notching the missile and dropping 1 chaff, wait a few seconds, drop a second chaff, then point your nose up or down a few degrees so the missile is on a different path than you. Basically amounts to turn, chaff, pull. Not hard to do, but when 5 people are closing the gap on you it will leave you slow and facing the wrong way.

[@BloodPlusPwn]

And so top tier becomes even more fun /s Anyway, here's a comment for the algorithm :)

[@browning2471]

Tim, do you think I’m weird? My amraams keep going pit bull when I’m trying to talk to them and I feel like it’s me

[@camilorodriguez5602]

is there any changes to the normal sarhs?? the red circle starts to blink and when i shoot the matra supers on the mirage s4 (event) they seem to always miss, either by exploding mid flight (target still locked) or they misscalculate the target's direction

[@wapniak666]

you want to shoot when you have solid red lock not when its blinking

[@camilorodriguez5602]

@@wapniak666

[@camilorodriguez5602]

@@wapniak666 i did some test flights and it may take a WHILE for the red circle to stop blinking because it never did

[@wapniak666]

@@camilorodriguez5602 it means you don't have a solid lock and probably need to pick different target

[@___ty__]

i’m doing my part! (to feed the algorithm by commenting)

[@SpartanGIS2]

When trying to datalink 4 active targets do you have to unlock the target in order to lock another? Im still trying to figure out how to lock a target fire, then lock another. Do I just unlock and manually select a new target?

[@pxatm]

Put the radar in track while scan mode, select a target, fire, and use the "Select Radar/IRST target to lock" keybind which is on alt-t by default to select a new target, fire again. Do not lock any targets. stay in track-while-scan the entire time and don't ever go to track.

[@SpartanGIS2]

@@pxatm thanks for this! I had no idea I could launch while in TWS. Thought I had to lock first before firing.

[@pxatm]

@@SpartanGIS2 Glad to help! Strongly recommend against locking targets with Fox-3's even if you're only shooting at one guy since the lock tone will give away that you're going to fire. Staying in TWS generally means your target won't turn to the notch.

[@SpartanGIS2]

@pxatm at least until the missle goes pitbull I suppose haha. Thanks again! Real big help.

[@UnidentifiedGecko]

So pretty much every tech tree gets access to fox3s with previous top tiers while Germany gets an f4 😑

[@antonmancia2096]

Lets go

[@shah1038]

Why i can't switch many radar mode😢

[@diegodollarhide6663]

Aren’t the AIM-54A’s also active radar?

[@TimsVariety]

Yes, both AIM-54 missiles we have in the game use active radar homing. I showed them both on the chart early in the vid.

[@diegodollarhide6663]

​@@TimsVarietyOh dang, I missed that on the chart, my bad 😂

[@harrisonsel34566]

How do you tell when the missile goes pit bull on the radar?

[@pxatm]

That counter next to the weapon selection is a pretty good indication. The radar scope will also display the missile's inertial guidance correction indicator until the missile goes live.

[@DerBlunderMan]

I see Germany suffers as usual with an F4 fighting F15s

[@topaz2821]

👍

[@MrTefe]

bro help none of my AIM-120 hit. I have F-15C and i use TWS mode and literally every missile misses.

[@pxatm]

Launch them at targets pointed towards you and don't launch below Mach 1.15 and 30,000 ft if you want reliable hits.

[@theeradicator110]

Thats not 100% true there is 1 more ARM missile in the game, the AS.34 AshM on the german premium Tornado.

[@immylon4608]

Ok today I got banned for 1 day for teamkilling. Now I know Y my R77 prefer friendly ass than hostile ones.

[@NumbersLetters_]

algorithm

[@kiri101]

Dropping a comment to see if we can do something about your criminally low views at the start of this update!!

[@nakkipate1953]

"dirty"

[@blrbgbari]

first?

[@cmdrTremyss]

These things are too complicated for me.

[@Mikeman94BSGO]

First

[@theangrychicken5026]

Worst update ever, top tier air RB unplayable

[@blanchbacker]

Actually it’s more fun than ever. Try adapting. Or play a different game