Every Smash Character's WORST Move (PJiggles Reaction Plus DLC)

[@MockRockTalk]

Thanks for watching everyone, and thanks to PJiggles for being onboard with this idea! I've cut out a lot from the original videos so if you were hoping to see more, I've got links to those below. Let me know your thoughts on the rankings, as well as any similar ideas you might like to see here in the future! PJiggles' original videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apW9o5-Lm9t0nLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHrYaWiXpq5spqM kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKK2Z5J8oZp5jKs *Main channel:* kzbin.info *Twitter:* twitter.com/MrMockRock *Patreon:* www.patreon.com/mockrock *Twitch:* www.twitch.tv/mockrocktwitch *Teespring:* teespring.com/stores/mockrock *TimeBolt affiliate link* (excellent software I use to speed up editing on my videos, use code "MOCKROCK" for a discount): mockrock--timebolt.thrivecart.com/order-page/

[@ashton5061]

Literally thought of this idea just last night lol

[@DoMorrMusic]

5:07 that might be your rawest "wtf" ever and deservingly so. i think those four people were just trolling pjiggles and he didn't pick up on it.

[@henryhacker5076]

I personally think that Kazuya's worst move is wind god fist, since it is straight Up a worse version of electric Wind god fist and the ten Hit combo does around 40% damage and kinda works at ledge and can cheese your opponet with a buffered air dogde and the jab itself actually kills with jab 3 and jab 2 can Combo into Grab, Gates of hell and allows for an infinite at around 120%...

[@Cutzerella03]

Lucas dash attack is not his worst move it's forward throw or jab

[@DoMorrMusic]

@@Cutzerella03 he didn’t count throws.

[@woofmasterarf]

I'm convinced Kirby mains think Hammer is just something they dreamt up.

[@rayqcina4869]

I'm convinced that Kirby Mains actively spread false propaganda about his Down Air being bad just so we underestimate them right before they gimp us offstage at 5%.

[@Versitax]

I’m convinced Kirby mains complain about D-Air in hopes that it will get buffed.

[@ThisAintGood.]

Why are Kirby mains such babies

[@Shnep]

I fell for their trickery some time ago. When I was playing some Kirby I looked up some guides and tips and they would always talk about how Down air is the worst move… And it’s absolutely not. It’s definitely not his BEST move but it’s certainly not the worst move in his arsenal.

[@binarycat1237]

i mean, hammer is basically the only way to break shields as Kirby, while dair is arguably outclassed by nair for edgeguards

[@PJiggles]

Great video! Watched it all the way through, was fun to see my own videos with such a unique twist on it. Anyways one thing I really wanna stress to anyone watching this video now is that every single move picked was not my opinion but rather that character's Discord, which is also the case for 99% of the reasonings given for those moves being bad, I was just the messenger boy in this series. Also some Discords really weren't all too interested in telling me much about why a move is lacking, Duck Hunt and R.O.B. come to mind as two notable examples where the people there really didn't feel like giving me much info. That aside this was an enjoyable watch, nice job MockRock! Get neutral tilted nerd 😎

[@theenderkirby]

Well I love to follow this trilogy personally is my favorite vids from your channel I watch them once in a while I still follow others in your channel but this trilogy is just get into the point for me ^^

[@MockRockTalk]

Thanks! I did want to make sure the "this is Discord's opinion" point got raised early but really appreciate the extra context here, makes sense to me. Also fuck you.

[@theenderkirby]

@@MockRockTalk why did you say to him the F word?

[@cuttsthecat6331]

@@theenderkirby neutral tilt

[@lucanubis4119]

@@MockRockTalk what's worse than getting ratioed? Getting neutral tilted 😎😎

[@ReitheOffbeatOtaku]

I love how MockRock has fallen into the position of being the biggest Ridley down air defender on KZbin by complete accident over the years. He's made just enough videos centered around the topic of worst moves in the game that he's had to defend it as not the worst multiple times in multiple categories, and that's more than anyone else has done for it, lol.

[@MockRockTalk]

"Accident" being the right word, I did NOT ask for this!

[@donaldjgumpofficial5754]

I main Ridley and it's not that bad. Skewer is obviously a gimmick in comparison. In my opinion, it's not that much worse than his fireballs even.

[@nocturn333]

​@crystalblade13 I find it only works once against low level players, or players that aren't paying attention. Skewer is actually pretty hard to react to compared to the other big moves so it can easily catch someone off guard. Most higher level players will be too unpredictable to land a Skewer consistently.

[@anothenblue2630]

I don't even care about its utility, Ridley's DAir just looks like utter garbage. Easy bottom 5 contender for "worst attack animations."

[@EnharmonicYT]

@Angelic I mean, Ridley did use to have the infamous down throw -> Skewer mixup (PJiggles’ video was made before 8.0 when Skewer was nerfed by being coded as a grab)

[@Ozionian]

I love that PJiggles is VERY clearly trying his best to not break the videos theme of going off of the character discord, and struggling.

[@leaffinite2001]

Right like the whole kirby sections got the tone of "look i hate what im saying too"

[@snuffysam]

You can definitely tell that some character discords interpreted this as “move I’m most mad at” lol

[@Paul-oj3vi]

This is a timestamp for all the characters! :] 0:54 Mario 2:09 Link 3:06 Samus & Dark Samus 4:10 Yoshi 4:40 Kirby 7:06 Fox 8:31 Pikachu 10:20 Luigi 11:25 Ness 12:26 Captain Falcon 13:33 Peach and Daisy 14:55 Bowser 16:13 Ice Climbers 17:55 Sheik 19:09 Zelda 19:45 Dr. Mario 20:07 Pichu 21:19 Falco 22:55 Marth & Lucina 23:58 Young Link 25:55 Ganondorf 27:14 Jiggly Puff 31:20 Mewtwo 32:57 Roy & Chrom 34:52 Mr. Game & Watch 38:16 Meta Knight 40:03 Pit & Dark Pit 41:52 Zero Suit Samus 42:43 Wario 44:13 Snake 45:16 Ike 47:24 Squirtle 48:32 Ivysaur 49:28 Charizard 51:20 Diddy Kong 52:20 Lucas 54:08 Sonic 56:16 King Dedede 57:17 Olimar 58:23 Lucario 59:43 Rob 1:00:35 Toon Link 1:01:44 Wolf 1:03:02 Villager 1:04:22 Mega Man 1:05:22 Wii Fit Trainer 1:05:58 Rosalina & Luma 1:07:10 Little Mac 1:09:24 Greninja 1:09:58 Mii Fighter 1:12:33 Palutena 1:14:06 Pac-Man 1:15:22 Robin 1:17:50 Shulk 1:19:38 Bowser Jr. 1:20:41 Duck Hunt 1:21:55 Ryu & Ken 1:22:58 Cloud 1:23:43 Corrin 1:24:26 Bayonetta 1:25:09 Inkling 1:26:21 Ridley 1:28:20 Simon & Richter 1:30:29 Kind K. Rool 1:31:45 Isabelle 1:32:28 Incineroar 1:35:14 Piranha Plant 1:37:24 Joker 1:39:11 Hero 1:42:55 Banjo & Kazooie 1:44:54 Terry 1:45:31 Byelth 1:46:51 Min Min 1:47:10 Steve/Alex 1:47:26 Sephiroth 1:47:43 Pyra 1:47:52 Mythra 1:48:00 Kazuya 1:48:17 Sora

[@skyzert2516]

youre a god

[@NCSGaming15]

How tf does this not have more likes

[@Metalc]

We gotta get this to top comment immediately

[@PrevTsukasaRui]

KIND DEDEDE?! 😂 I think you ment king Edit: 56:16 says Kind Dedede

[@Paul-oj3vi]

@@PrevTsukasaRui Kind Dedede🤣🤣 I fixed it now, my bad. I was pretty tired when making this list.

[@jonathanharsh7434]

That “MockRock tries to roll a 7 on Judge” mini-compilation was so much funnier than it had any right to be.

[@BanermanArthropide]

Your switch reads your mind and purposefully turns down the percent chance for getting what you want.

[@GreenSupper]

“Stupid switch! You make me look bad!”

[@julianzarco6403]

I counted all the tries it took him to get a 7. It took him 25 tries

[@ButterStick64]

36:10

[@ZmanAce]

8, 1, 6, 3, 2, 4, 4, 8, 6, 5, 1, 8, 8, 6, 1, 1, 5, 6, 1, 2, 8, 9, 1, 2, (7) (If I need to correct, tell me) So, the amount he rolled each number is: 1: 5 times 2: twice 3: once 4: twice 5: twice 6: 4 times 7: once 8: 5 times 9: once

[@TheMacroShow]

Rank the moves that can TRIP

[@MockRockTalk]

VERY hard to do because it's a property that actually pops up all over the place, case in point: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKDXioSGfZV5n7M So that's gonna spiral pretty quickly into a "let's rank most moves in the game" video without some more restrictions on it lol

[@gbx4858]

There are also hitboxes that only hit aerial opponents that have a trip chance too funnily enough

[@ChosenInterval]

Kazuya's tripping kick wins. Lol

[@AUTTY6242]

It's the Apex guy that makes no sense!

[@tiffyw92]

@@MockRockTalk I'm legit curious. What if you just rank the ones that are most likely to trip / trip most consistently? Just set an arbitrary (albeit on the higher end) percentage chance of a move tripping and go from there? Obviously, this is still tripping we're talking about, but no one can ever claim that there isn't a competitive meta for style points acquired due to your opponent's bad luck, lol. Speaking of other randomly occuring events in Smash, do screen and star KOs have the same or consistent chances of happening, or is there actually a way to change those chances during a match, aside from just using certain items?

[@charlottearanea7507]

27:44 Just want to say that, yes, being unable to infinitely charge Rollout does matter. If you were getting close to a timeout situation while you're up, simply charging rollout is a decent mindgame. They stand there, ready to jump over when you let it rip, but if you just never do, it takes them a bit to realize. They have to come to you, and there's quite a few characters who can't directly hurt Jigglypuff with a projectile, meaning you can simply wait until they enter Jigglypuff's periphery and then exit out of the situation with an insanely fast burst option that tends to end with you ejected offstage where you can stall for even longer. And yes, I did do this in tournament.

[@Nokyyyyy]

Damn

[@keysmash_roa]

That's hysterical

[@NuggetsitooR]

😅😅

[@theBCEproductions]

PJiggles: "Yeah it's his worst move. It's active frame 1, full body intangibility, positive on block, jump cancellable, and covers half the stage in a hitbox that kills at 25%; so yeah, it's not bad, but definitely his worst."

[@spiceitnow5317]

That’s just Steve.

[@lightning3.0]

"Remember, not worst, but least useful"

[@impossiblehanley2732]

@@spiceitnow5317 toolless jab/fair/bair/utilt/dash

[@DaDMonDCB]

Still not as good as Brawl MetaKnight.

[@snuffysam]

It’s kinda a side effect of asking a bunch of character discords. Because you remember the 20 times you got punished for using a down air that you’ve used 1000 times total more than the 0 times you were hit out of a side special you used 0 times total.

[@DinoSmashDK]

The reason for Charizard’s tip being inaccurate is because it was literally copy-pasted from Smash 4, where Charizard’s wings didn’t actually have a hurtbox at all. Most fighters tips are re-used for this game, which is weird since they made new ones for a few moves anyway.

[@MockRockTalk]

Ah that's interesting! I mean, it's depressing and I hate that I know that now. But interesting!

[@kestrel7493]

@@MockRockTalk this applies to most things I've learnt on the Internet

[@Jfray252]

I think the asset are actually a mix of Brawl and ssb4, Like in the previous installment, Sheik will revert to her Brawl idle animation while holding a small throwable item. Dark Pit and Chrom absent in brawl will reverts to Marth and Pit's Brawl idle and crouching animations while holding a small throwable item. Like in ssb4, characters that could glide in Brawl still retain the code for it despite it being removed. However, Ridley, a newcomer, has code for being able to glide despite him not being able to. The code for the glide is nearly identical to Charizard's, suggesting Ridley was made using Charizard as a base, and that the code for gliding was a carryover. Developpers remove what was ported before the product release but some trace can retain in the data

[@HippityhoppityGnW]

@@Jfray252 what

[@spidernate4866]

@@Jfray252 Ah, that's actually interesting. I always noticed that if you picked up a small throw able item, many of the characters revert to their previous installment idle animations such as the ones you listed as well as Mewtwo who reverts to his smash 4 idle. Initially I thought it was a neat touch/Easter egg but this makes more sense. Just an oversight if anything, still kinda cool though.

[@MCWaxC]

I feel like your hesitance to “retread” ideas other content creators have done shouldn’t be as much of a concern because to me, your content isn’t enjoyable because of what topics you choose. It’s enjoyable because you’re the one covering them. You’re well spoken and defend your points as objectively and reasonably as you can. Sure, anybody can argue what they think is the best or worst move for every character, but you always seem to do the most research and explain yourself the most thoroughly.

[@MockRockTalk]

I appreciate that! I'm not always going to worry about treading on other creators' toes, particularly for very generic ideas, but it is something I try to avoid if I've got other similarly appealing ideas to work on. "Every Character's Worst Move" is a pretty specific concept and this video essentially recreates it, so if PJiggles hadn't been onboard I probably would have passed even if it would still fall under fair use. A more generic tier list, reaction video, etc. doesn't really have the same concerns for me.

[@MCWaxC]

@@MockRockTalk That’s fair. Whatever you choose to tackle, I’m sure I’ll be entertained regardless. :)

[@caml1720]

i disagree. it's a good stance to have and i admire MR for taking it, especially in direct light of other smash youtubers biting this move-tier-list bit exactly as he does it

[@megacrafter961]

55:15 There is no move that gives „extra“ rage but there is one move that isn’t Lucarios that has an aura mechanic. It’s Mii Brawlers Side Special Onslaught just wanted to point that out

[@supernutz1262]

That move's "extra rage" also has a recharge. If you use it once, you have to wait about 8 seconds for the move to get the extra rage multiplier back, otherwise it just scales with normal rage (you can tell when it comes back by a glow in the Mii's foot). This was obviously a necessary balance mechanic and Onslaught would've been incredibly broken and meta defining without it.

[@iknowwhereyoulive618]

@@supernutz1262 i assume you're being sarcastic lmao

[@supernutz1262]

@@iknowwhereyoulive618 Yeah, I have no idea why they implemented that mechanic lol

[@KrispyKorpse]

As an onslaught obsessed fanatic myself, other random thing is that the launcher has fixed weight set to true, which force sets all characters weight to 100 for kb calcs, and they are only effected by normal hitstun gravity(around 1.8) for about 10 frames before going back to their default gravities. Mythra's nspecial had this before being patched. This means onslaught kills ganon earlier than pichu

[@megacrafter961]

Yo thx for all the likes lol

[@LilMrPizza]

Speaking as a Smash 4 Pac-Main, who's at least messed around with him in Ultimate, you absolutely nailed it with his utilt vs dtilt. dtilt isn't a great move by any means, but it's very usable and is actually a pretty good poke. Meanwhile IMO, the only reason Pac utilt isn't the worst in the game is because it loses to Ganondorf. It's straight up one of the worst combo starters in the game.

[@Dan-mo7fl]

I play a lot of pac-man and yeah.. his utilt is only an occasional anti-air but he has better moves that do the same thing. It kinda combos into up-smash but thats still assuming you land it

[@RedWhaley14]

I’d say as a Pac-Main, both are actually pretty good! Utilt gets way too much ire from people who don’t know about it’s use, it’s really good out of Galaxian from ledge or Bell at low percents, and it combos very very well, so I’d say it’s average and very underrated. It also is very disjointed and lagless so it's a great platform pressure tool, compared to worse Utilts like Rosa or Ivy or Ganon. Dtilt is also a great safe poke so it's not in contention. I’d say his worst move is Usmash since it’s way too overcommittal unlike his tilts and it doesn’t work half the time, especially during Bell, and you’re way better off doing Fsmash, Bair, or Side B, since they kill around the same percent. It’s also outclassed OOS by Fair Nair Dair and Fruits, and for juggling you’re better off using Utilt or catching landings with Fruits or dash attack since Pac Usmash is thin. Not bad at all, all of Pac's moves are good, it's just Usmash has way less going for it and is very inconsistent. Tldr: All of Pacs moves are good and Usmash is outclassed in every way while Utilt is very underrated

[@TheRedCap30]

Its such a lame move, i wish he kept his Smash 4 uptilt.

[@VB3Pac]

His up tilt can actually be a fantastic combo extender

[@binarycat1237]

to play devils advocate: uptilt isn't an actual move, and thus is ineligible

[@Elite4W]

Adding onto Lucario, the vid was made pre dsmash buff which gave him an easier kill move out of a jab lock. It's still a terrible move and his worst non-throw though, even after buffing it to being his fastest ground move, but thought it was worth clarifying

[@knossesisawsome8603]

Can I add a side note and say that fox laser is the best move to remove staling from other moves

[@fuhbox]

Hammer is underrated sure, but that should never be a valid excuse of why it’s not Kirby’s worst move

[@mettatonex7221]

"Forward air's a little bit weaker, but that's like asking which of the Paul brothers is less of a tool." Finally. Irrefutable evidence that MockRock can do comedy.

[@bb-xw1np]

they buffed the hell out of IC's dash attack after this video, it is now an insane combo tool and a huge part of IC's combo and advantage state

[@feargripper]

Yea I was confused by that, Big D used it a lot in his tournament run.

[@theenderkirby]

I will say their worst move now is their down air is feel so floaty for a stallen fall that is just too easy to punish

[@nastyfrogproductions]

@@theenderkirby or down smash. i actually use down air way more often because it combos into fair at low percents (desynced) and it's a part of the dthrow (footstool dair) [fsmash] true combo that is extremely useful and kills early

[@theenderkirby]

@@nastyfrogproductions fair enough ICs are my in my top 5 least used character to begin with and from my pretty minimal expriience from them now I can get your point with no problem thanks ^^

[@nastyfrogproductions]

@@theenderkirby 👍👍👍

[@thegoodthebadthequiky]

The problem with using character discords I imagine is that when you very loyally play a character and follow their community, you tend to overly value their gimmick because gimmicks are usually fun if you can get them, and you probably have tons of experience playing against all kinds of players so you’ve probably hit the gimmick a few times even if it’s not good. Ridley mainly brought this to mind.

[@Krona-fb4dn]

Honestly even with this knowledge, I would still absolutely say his Dair is worse than skewer. If not then as bad as skewer. Dair's only advantages, its start up at 11 frames and how it kills at very high percents, are not very good. 11 frames is not very fast in a game where quick aerials are universally common, and its kill power is nothing to write home about. Ridley's dair does have a unique quality of being the strongest spike of all down airs which is a unique title. But its far too unwieldy to use consistently as a spiking tool and this is more of fun trivia than an upside to me. and its downsides of -no intangibility -incredibly easy to challenge in the air -no horizontal hitbox -no shockwave -GROSS 32 frames of landing lag Its unsalvageable. Skewer's startup is more generous than the landing lag of dair.

[@thehuman2cs715]

@@Krona-fb4dn Skewer is a tiny 30 frame move bruh, you can at least use down air to try to trade when being juggled while skewer has no practical application at all.

[@Krona-fb4dn]

@@thehuman2cs715 I can tell you don't play Ridley. Skewer is 30 frames, after that its actually done, *Dair has 32 frames of landing lag*, at least when used optimally, skewer is a good distance away. Dair is just one stagnant hitbox that is extremely easy to punish and see coming. Skewer works great with tech chases which ridley DOES get plenty of opportunity to go for with for dthrow and ftilt and dtilt.

[@thehuman2cs715]

@@Krona-fb4dn bruh Ridley is my secondary, I can tell you I use down air a fair bit but don't think I've ever seriously used Skewer. Sure down air isn't good but at anything below top level an 11 frame down air is still plenty fast enough for what it needs to do.

[@Krona-fb4dn]

@@thehuman2cs715 32 frames of endlag for 11% is not gonna be worth it. Also you should never use dair. Getting a tech chase with skewer is actually a thing you can do and reasonably do as Ridley.

[@AmaneKoruba]

I gotta say, I completely disagree with you on Pichu. I think without a doubt skullbash is the worst move on him. It’s only for recovery, which then up B is still better for recovery. And for hitting shield? Like PJiggles said, you can easily hit Pichu out of it or, ya know, jump out of the way, and if Pichu fully charges it, he just dies. So he almost never wants to fully charge it unless a shield break.

[@graou]

Upb doesn't have an hitbox and is easier to 2f so it's not a bad use at all But yeah it's prob his worst anyways his kit is busted lol

[@crucibleberri]

As a fellow Dark Pit player, I feel like forward tilt is DP’s worst move by far because of how it just gets out-classed in pretty much every field by forward smash.

[@Metalc]

True bro. Pits f tilt is garbage.

[@julezzz_08]

It still has respectable range, though. And you can catch your opponent off guard. Not to mention it kills. I guess forward smash is better but I feel like up tilt is his worst move. Down tilt already combos and up smash is the better pressure move on platforms

[@Metalc]

@@julezzz_08 also true. Up tilt and f tilt are both very weak moves for pit.

[@paddyward3740]

I like using ftilt at ledge as its fast enough to use twice and outranges rolls. And if they jump? Well you're pit, they just entered disadvantage.

[@MakoShiruba]

@@julezzz_08 It's tipper dependant, so it either puts opponents back in offstage or kills. UTilt can actually pick up both Jumps and neutral getups, trades with getup attacks and is decently safe to whiff. FTilt doesn't do anything if it whiffs outside of conditioning a jump, since whiffing it puts Pit in a million years of endlag.

[@ryanepic6577]

Kirby Main here! Ya it’s definitely not dair 😂. That was my reaction too when I first saw that but then found out it’s just a joke within the community. It’s easily hammer and it’s not even close. Dair simply invalidates some recoveries

[@Chaos_Vergil]

Fitting how Mega Man's worst move is considered one of his worst moves in his home series and has a lot of similar issues, too! Both are inconsistent, have VERY niche uses, have you at risk of getting hit easily, and there are way better moves/weapons in his arsenal that he can use. As a side note, Kazuya's worst move, to me, is Crouch Spin Kick, A.K.A., Crouching Down Back Tilt. It doesn't combo, it doesn't kill, and it's got terrible range. The only real "use" for it is for setting up tech situations, but you have to commit more than it's actually worth to execute the move in the first place since if you do Down Back Tilt too soon, you'll get Stature Smash, which is a better move overall, but not something you wanna just throw out. Crouch Spin Kick requires too much commitment that could've been used for something better like an EWGF, a Flash Punch Combo, some hits from 10 Hit Combo as a mix-up, a grab or Gates of Hell throw, Demon God Fist, Devil Fist, and PLENTY more options that vary in their usefulness that are all still superior to Crouch Spin Kick.

[@dogboyton3166]

Never played any Mega Man but that’s very interesting

[@KrispyKorpse]

Idk if its been mentioned, but as someone in the miicords, gale stab was really only the worst move cause it didnt grab ledge when you hit someone. Which meant free ledge trapping by standing at ledge and spotdodging. It got shadow fixed in patch 12.0.0, so its not the worst anymore.

[@crack4184]

What would be the worst now?

[@GreenSupper]

What IS the worst now?

[@captainmega6310]

I think the worst now is that fire sword attack

[@shattermelon496]

Even pre patch gale stab was better than blurring blade

[@JamUsagi]

1:34:53 I’d argue that Samus’ Homing/Super Missiles count as separate moves while Incineroar’s Alolan Whip variants don’t. For Samus you decide which version to use when you first fire it out, meaning that you’re locked into either one from the moment you use the move. For Incineroar, you decide which version to use after you’ve already input the move and grabbed the opponent, so you can choose between the two on the fly. It’s the same reason Bowser’s command grab is the same move whether you decide to launch forwards, backwards or straight down with it.

[@JamUsagi]

(Can’t edit on mobile) Not sure how I’d list Hero’s Command Menu under these criteria, there are definitely arguments both ways but I’d probably say they’re the same move since in a lot of (probably most) cases you just have to use the move and then play the hand you’re dealt, in the same way as say Judge or Green Missile.

[@10types]

I feel like the argument that "if you can do in in training mode, you can do it in battle" doesn't quite work out. if it did, ice climbers would be literally unbeatable

[@Sticker_By_NCT_127]

For closer ranged characters they ARE close to unbeatable

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

For lucas, dash attack has 37 faf and lingers from frame 13-17. It has top ten knockback for a dash attack and can be as safe as -8 on shield if the sweetspot is spaced. It's like a grounded ftilt that moves him forward at the cost of being slower. It's a great ftilt complement when people have been conditioned by ftilt's threat range. Frame 13 is still unreactable and demands respect. Pk freeze is far from his worst move as well. With middling charge it's -9 to -12 on oos options and +2 to -2 on shield drop. It travels faster horizontally than yoshi does in the air. Parrying it is extremely risky because it only has a 5 frame grace period before detonation once the special button is released & once lucas releases the special button from freeze's charge, it will detonate, even if he's hit a frame later. Freeze is very safe during a character's landing. Or if you time it properly to a character grabbing the ledge because it forces a set option like normal getup. Freeze also only has 23 frames of endlag, making it extremely hard to punish if lucas is properly spaced. His worst move imo is jab. Dtilt outclasses it mostly everywhere else except as a jab locking option.

[@Netheraptr]

I should mention that ice climbers dash attack was buffed after Pjiggle’s video, so it might not be the worst move anymore

[@Luigiofthegods]

Charizard's up tilt makes me upset because his wings used to be intangible in Smash 4 - I remember some people who did actually complain about Mewtwo not having a tail hurtbox in the Smash 4 days, but LITERALLY NOBODY was asking for Charizard's wings to get the same treatment

[@emperornz]

So would you say that Donkey Kong's down smash is his worst move because we actually didn't hear your opinion on which of his moves is his worst.

[@MockRockTalk]

Yeah, that might've been worth leaving in in retrospect, I agree with the video

[@peregrinehawk8363]

Kirby discord are probably newer players who only fight there 5 year old siblings who have no idea what a shield is.

[@mb654bloopers]

Something to note with Joker's jab, at high percents, jab 2 sometimes pushes the opponent away instead of pulling in and it results in jab 3 whiffing and makes it super unsafe, so much so that most characters can punish you with a smash attack. Of course it doesn't always happen since it is also based on reaction but you can also deliberately sdi out of it then punish accordingly so it kinda sucks

[@azazeltf2]

Fox laser also unstales his other moves, which is really helpful for a character who is going to enter repeated bair ledgetrap scenarios or require multiple upsmashes to finish a stock

[@itsyaboiplantyboi]

As someone who plays Bowser Jr. from time to time, his down smash is actually really fast start up surprisingly, (I do think it got buffed between the video and now) I do see nuetral special as his worst move, even if it's not a bad move.

[@glasshalfemtea]

Sephiroth's neutral-b is definitely not his worst move, since just charging it forces a reaction out of someone on ledge which you can then cancel and react accordingly. That's not even getting into the b-reverse stuff when combined with wing that makes him really hard to track down.

[@ExaltedUriel]

I agree, it's scary and that's all it has to be, and even uncharged Flare is slow but can be useful for zoning. I'd say his worst move is either his jab or his down air. His jab is his fastest move but doesn't do great damage and isn't a good combo starter even at low percents, so it's only really useful for the normal jab fare like tech chases or a "get off me" at close range. And his down air has a pretty generous meteor hitbox on startup and you can do some alright cheesing through platforms and on the edge of FD/Battlefield-type stages, but the actual sword's hitbox is super narrow, it's punishable, and unless your opponent really bungles their recovery you're not gonna hit that meteor safely and it's a stall-and-fall so doing it offstage is basically a guaranteed SD. It has its applications but the downsides heavily outweigh the benefits.

[@victorhaydes9065]

@@ExaltedUriel Seph's down air is an amazing spike due to the long hitbox, when used at ledge it just destroys low recoveries

[@jake88]

@@ExaltedUriel dair actually does have some decent use as a footstool punish out of shield since aside from nair seph’s out of shield is pretty awful, it’s still not great but for a stall and fall it isn’t the worst. Jab is absolutely his worst move over flare though, I don’t get how Mock thinks such a great conditioning tool is his worst especially when jab does next to nothing aside the bare minimum but that’s just me

[@leaffinite2001]

Well whats worse

[@Sheldon668]

@@leaffinite2001 I would probably say fair because of the small hit box and the fact that rotated up b does its job a lot better

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

Yeah, with corrin it's definitely counter. It has some niche use as a counter-juggling option but Corrin already has down air for that which does lots of damage, hits far below, and either sets up for a tech chase when you hit or autocancels allowing you to be safe. Plus you can use back air to mix up aerial drift and escape from juggles that way too. You could also use it while you're the one juggling to catch landing aerials or stall-and-falls, but again why not just outrange with up air. And if you're reading a stall-and-fall down air with that much commitment, why not just move out of the way and hit a tipper forward smash for a free early kill. It's only really usable for cheese, and even then not nearly as good as sm4sh pre-nerf where it was so ridiculously strong it could kill at 0. Honestly I wish that was still a thing, making the move insanely strong gives it at least some viability for hard reads and if you die at 0 to it that's kind of your fault. Why are you using fully charged forward smash or warlock punch in neutral.

[@mor3gan285]

I'm not gonna pretend to be actually good, but I feel up smash is worse. It's so thin. I find counter gets me out of things or helps anti air recoveries

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

@@mor3gan285 Up smash is one of corrin's worse moves but I don't think it's THE worst. It has at least a few things going for it. (It consistently tippers on platforms which similar up smashes like marth's don't, and it also has corrin duck really low in the animation so you can hurtbox shift below lots of aerial attacks.) It's definitely one of the less useful moves though. I only use it at kill percents for platform tech chases.

[@RandomNirvanaSXE]

Corrin's worst move is dash attack imo. It's slow and very punishable. Otherwise her grab or her counter are the other contenders. They suck too.

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

@@RandomNirvanaSXE Dash attack can at least give you combos at low percents. And the fact its so long lasting makes it decent for catching landings. It could honestly be way better though.

[@De_RyZe]

Thing with counter is that you dont have to use it but you can, and having one is always nice as a mixup even tho corrins is probably the worst bc it sends up. Up smash has at least the tipper that you can use for tech chases on platforms or (too risky) anti airs, down smash covers multiple options for aerial drift (which probably could be covered by reactional back air better) or ledge getup/tech coverage. Dash attack is really just a fast burst option that ranges further than back air on the ground (is far less safe though). My personal worst would be Jab, being as fast as down tilt (both frame 5) and you just get more out of hitting a down tilt than a Jab + its hitbox isnt reliable for Jab-locks

[@CaptainL]

ICs dash attack was buffed in the last patch and no joke it's one of their best moves now, and honestly one of the best dash attacks in the game period I think their worst move now is ftilt but even then it still has uses

[@MockRockTalk]

Losing a bit of startup really made that big of a difference? Ice Climbers are definitely one of my biggest blind spots, surprised to hear that

[@CaptainL]

@@MockRockTalk it combos into uairs for like 60 super easy damage, and with the buffs it combos out of landing aerials at low percents (in addition to being a pretty good burst option anyway) ICs in general are seriously misunderstood but yeah it's a really good combo starter and extender, in situations where they wouldn't be able to get anything else

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Charizard's wings were intangible during his Up Tilt in Smash 4, but they removed the intangibility in Ultimate. The tip was recycled from Smash 4.

[@elliotkach1265]

Big videos on the mechanics and viability of certain fighters/moves are always my favorites. It's a damn shame they're not passed around as often because they really do an amazing job at explaining the reasoning behind what makes something a bad move and you do an incredible amount of work to show this off from every angle! Thanks for the video! I loved it as always!

[@carbonrick-roller7428]

Something not mentioned about inklings up-tilt is that it got a significant buff. Before the buff it only functioned on tall and large characters meaning it just couldn’t hit a character like pikachu if they weren’t directly above you. The buff fixed the hit box to follow inklings feet through the whole arc so it can actually reliably hit now.

[@axellion9951]

Hey so, for explanation why Fair on Wii Fit is actually really good is due to the fact that it covers people shielding on ledge super well along with side B, even breaking shields if you’re in Deep Breathing. The ledge is one of Wii Fit’s homes as she really benefits from being there due to Header sliding across the ground. So uh, there’s a small explanation, along with the fact that RaR Fair’s back hit stomp the opponent which consistently connects into FSmash for a kill.

[@ZGamingGuy]

As a Mewtwo main, I fully agree on upsmash being the worst. The only time I will use it is to catch them when they tech on a platform. It's far too inconsistent otherwise. I use every other one of his moves consistently. His up air is a core part of combos (down tilt, into fair, into side b, into up air, then into fair as an example) and his fair is good for spikes, sour spot good for combo starters, it's also a pretty good out of shield mix up.

[@himikotoga6627]

Fun fact: You can use uncharged shadow sneak while in shield, but if you charge it your shield will be dropped.

[@brandonlee8123]

Im still a bit confused about pjiggle’s idea for incineroar’s alolan whip. Shouldn’t terry’s jab 3 also count as jab as a whole, considering you can choose whether or not to use it? Also, just like you can misinput alolan whip, you can misinput terry’s jab 3. If so, terry’s jab (jab 1 and 2) would be one of terry’s most useful moves in his kit.

[@HippityhoppityGnW]

Samus homing missile, ryu-ken jab 3, sheik multi-jab, etc would all be off the table

[@thehuman2cs715]

He didn't really have much of a choice considering the character discords chose each character's worst move though

[@FedoraKirb]

As a former Kirby main, I am genuinely so shocked. I know Juggleboy said something along the lines of like “dair is to mid-level play what stone is to casual play,” but it’s not unusable at a competitive level. I’m not sure how those Discord Kirby mains play, but they’re either not properly utilizing one of Kirby’s better offstage tools, or throwing out Hammer way more than they should to believe that Hammer is better than dair. I legit want to play a few rounds with them out of sheer curiosity.

[@TheTrueBrawler]

36:48 Oh my god, thank you for putting the discord logo on the screen here. I can't even begin to quantify how many times I hear a discord notification only to realize that it was from the video I'm watching and not Discord itself.

[@kestrel7493]

8:01 I heard alpharad talk about this as one of my first smash videos I ever saw the threat of a move can be so much more impactful than the move it self Really good thing to recognise

[@Zitsanrael1117]

If we can consider (Dark)Samus' homing and super missiles as separate moves then I would argue the same for Sephiroth's 3 different tiers of his neutral special, so I would personally say that Gigaflare specifically is his worst move, no matter how much I may love it. It's just like Falcon Punch in the regard that it's not a good move because of how slow it is, but holy crap is it satisfying when you connect with it.

[@edoardocaccia6226]

"That's why I sometimes put entries in the thumbnails, sometimes I don't, to keep you on your toes on whether I spoiled you or not" I picked up on that and I think it really should be standard to do, I feel like most people only do either one of the other. In general I love your philosophy when it comes to content creation, e.g. detailed criteria disclosure at the start of videos, allowing exceptions but disclaiming them, too, thumbnail game, informative editing etc. you're one of the highest production value channels I know of and you always bring up interesting points of discussion even in the more casual videos. Been a long time lurker and I thought I'd just vent some praise ;p you've come so far as a KZbin creator, keep up the good work

[@thiscommenter180]

Alright, I've got a snack. Time to settle down and watch another hour long amazing MockRockTalk video

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

2 hour long *

[@anttar7461]

kirby: hammer vs dair uses (WARNING: LONG COMMENT) hammer: jab lock ender ledge pressure shield breaking shield break punishing disrespect dair: combos strings edge guarding funny loops kill confirms combos, strings, edge guarding, and kill confirms are much more common to need than to jab lock, bc fsmash is better as a jab lock ender, going for the shield breaker is wild risky and “disrespect” probably doesnt count so *hammer is kirbys worst move*

[@typhlosion7872]

For Olimar, I'd definitely say forward tilt. The only move that's really in competition is dash attack. Jab is his quickest move if your opponent manages to get in your face, down tilt and up tilt can maybe combo, and you actually see nair used quite a ton as an option off of ledge for it's safety. Even used as a landing option fairly commonly. Nair is very underrated imo, really solid move, just looks much worse when you compare it to the rest of Olimar's kit

[@typhlosion7872]

Pound existing is another massive reason why Rollout can't even be brought up as a recovery move. If you want to mix it up with your 5 jumps and air dodge, Pound gives you so many more options, especially because it can stall for a long ass time

[@camusreviews6877]

Dash attack was buffed for ICs after the initial video was released. It’s now one of their best moves since it now connects into itself reliably, combos into up-air, and kill confirms into up-b which funny enough was also buffed in the same patch so the worst move is probably d-air or d-smash for ICs

[@RiceMuffin_]

i would definitely like to see a retrospective of the "every character's worst change in ultimate" at some point, i really liked the best change counterpart

[@petery6432]

Honestly, I always thought Jab was Sephiroth's worst move. I know you talked about how you found it really difficult to see Flare variants hit someone, but it seems like the conditioning that would come with forcing people to avoid it would make it useful.

[@coppi9434]

Samus Jab 1 is one of the coolest Jabs in the Game, because of its large mixup potential(even on shield), good range and fast startup

[@swaddlesthegreat3854]

Jigglypuff rollout is the pit nair of Pjiggles channel

[@pandalenz6534]

Lol yeah

[@BT-rl3nt]

Dash attack is definitely not mega man’s worst move. It’s pretty much his only way to deal with an opponent who gets close.

[@captainmega6310]

Down tilt

[@Splonton]

I think one thing that's important to remember with ike is that his up smash kinda fills the same role as his down smash in terms of covering both sides of him, but it kills more consistently than his down smash, and has lower end lag (I think)

[@The-Waffle]

Personal opinion for Steve’s worst move is definitely up special. Because if it’s facing in the wrong direction and there’s almost no way to survive

[@ryab6]

Nahhh volcano kick is ganon's most useless move. F-smash and dair are way better at two framing. Warlock punch is still the best shield break punish in the game

[@Alonzone]

Roy/Chrom fully charged Neutral B exists

[@greenarrow1053]

Pichu’s is definitely side b pichu doesn’t need the extra recovery boost and side b has a ton of end lag. At the very least pichu’s up b has multiple angles and is fast enough to get around where your opponent is in most cases, but side b just gets you punished and often spiked for using it off stage because it’s so linear

[@loganalleman]

As a lucas main, I would have never thought of jab, but he's actually right. It's stubby, inconsistent, awful on shield, and most importantly gets outclassed by down tilt most of the time. Down tilt is only one frame slower, way safer, and combos into forward tilt. The only time that 1 frame is super important *might* be after a magnet on shield (+0), where a jab will beat any dodge but down tilt won't. It really hurts since it was so good in smash 4, where it had way more range and could scoop people behind him for some reason

[@Cutzerella03]

Yea. It's his worst move, dash attack, ftilt and dtilt are much safer poking tools. Dash attack kills is as safe as ftilt but not grabable and not Possible to punish with long range out of shield options

[@JMalaby89]

As a Bowser Jr main, I might still have to go with Down Smash - cannonball does have some nice use cases to deny some characters’ horizontal recovery. Another sneakily bad move is dash attack!

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

It's really sad how bad samus's homing missiles are. And super missiles see some use but still not near as much as charge shot. Apart from some of her canonical abilities being missing that's my biggest gripe with samus's design in ultimate. her missiles are supposed to be devastating attacks but are mostly used for somewhat niche setups, while charge shot is almost always a better projectile and a way better kill move. Charge shot should be good too, but I think the difference between charge shot and missiles is far too much.

[@aronspiker72]

The sad thing is, in Melee her missiles had about as much power as you'd want them to (aka: they were an actual move), and in Ultimate, Mii Gunner of all characters has Samus's missiles from Melee, making the move currently outshined by a Mii!

[@captainmega6310]

That would just make Samus over powered

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

@@captainmega6310 Well if necessary then nerf charge shot to compensate, it would better suit her canonical abilities

[@grinder4907]

As a Ridley main, I’ll say down air is the worst You basically will never use it because you will always die, the sour spot sends characters at a weird angle that’s good for recovering, it never kills well over 120 percent and it is super laggy Yes, skewer is really slow, but it’s damage is stupid and you can use it to cover every tag option, it can be used after a jab lock, and you can use it when falling past the ledge

[@techngamin]

Dedede main here. It's not his worst move by far but it is super annoying: Down tilt It can carry people across the stage but if you don't hit it it's so laggy and barely shoves them away you're eating a punish. It's not nearly as consistent as you might think

[@an3_omx]

Fellow Dedede main, I disagree here. Its his fastest move and fairly useful, even if its fairly punishable. I see your logic though

[@jointhetorterra]

Dedede main, I disagree. It's a very useful "get the fuck away from me" move since it's one of his faster moves and can two-frame (and kill at higher percents)

[@an3_omx]

@@jointhetorterra completely agree!

[@techngamin]

@@an3_omx Fastest move, no, if I'm in a panic situation I'll use Jab, it has so much hitstun for a jab one and the end lag isn't any worse than d-tilt

[@an3_omx]

@@techngamin Feels a lot less rewarding. Been a bit since I've played Dedede, so I dont quite remember

[@roycks12]

MockRock: I think X move is this character worst move because of Y PJiggles: This character's worst move is down smash/jab MockRock: 🙄🙄🙄

[@NurseValentineSG]

What this makes me think of is that alot of the character specific discords don't even know what their moves are used for.

[@dabiskitt]

Mr game and watch’s worst move in my opinion is his down tilt. It’s completely outclassed by f tilt, it has a shockingly small hit box, and it ONLY HITS GROUNDED OPPONENTS. You never really have to go for judge but you should be able to use down tilt more.

[@supermaro2349]

Personally I remember when that video came out, another youtuber named Juggleboy made an analysis of kirby's down air after the discourse of that video. They make some really good points about how its not his worst move, but it definitely isnt his best either. I've link the video here in case anyone wants to view it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYikYml9ZrCAa7c

[@petery6432]

He also made a video on Hammer Flip.

[@queenofthesalt5199]

You were right on Duck Hunt- Down Air is fine and has some decent enough setups out of side special that it being a long lasting spike is actually pretty useful. Uptilt was the only thing I could think of, because it fails both in its role as an antiair and as combo or kill move, sitting in a weird spot where it does neither. UpB is also awkward to maneuver alongside trickshot if you haven’t mastered the move. I would also say that duck hunt’s forward and back airs are underwhelming but there’s little reason to buff them when pigeon and trickshot both give relatively simple combos into them. Would like to see them kill earlier though. Duck Hunt absolutely suffers from Marthritis, alongside Young Link.

[@Ivy64_]

Ok. I have 1 borderline useless idea for plant's footstool attack. You hit shield, and make the insanely hard read of a footstool combo. Exclusively used for disrespect. That's all I've got.

[@HippityhoppityGnW]

Steve footstool anvil vs an easter egg

[@nit0134]

I don't agree with the Lucas one either. His jab is pretty consistennt, and it's really good for just punching out of things. I'd say his worst move is probably up smash. Dash attack is slow but it can sometimes be used to kill. PK Freeze is close but when it hits it's almost always a guaranteed death, and it also limits their options off stage. Up Smash, while super strong and has some invincibility, is extremely slow, and if you miss the opponent has all the time in the world to punish. It's not really used unless it's to punish a shield break. Other than that you need an insane read. It is flashy as hell though, I love it.

[@peregrinehawk8363]

Any incineroar main knows that his worst move is his movement stick.

[@theinvincible5907]

5:40 I've seen some Kirbys use hammer flips on Salt is Real but, then again, it is Salt is Real, a compilation of really good players hitting the sickest clips on potential 7 year olds.

[@PuppetMasterIX]

Minor defense for Shulk's down-smash: With Buster art, down-smash facing the opponent can shield lock. That alone gives it quite a bit more utility than his frankly godawful jab.

[@jonathanlgill]

It also has tons of active frames, which makes it useful to catch someone offstage who is drifting downwards to the ledge. It's also a solid techchase mixup.

[@universal2057]

Funny thing is one time i got 2 judge combos in one round, overall judge is game and watches worst move but oh my god it’s so hype when it works and just really fun to use

[@omlett6482]

DDDs FSmash used to have one pretty decent niche as it used to be a pretty decent shield breaking tool, which DDD doesn't have a lot of. That was because the Shockwave hitbox used to hit shields seperately from the hammer hitbox. But guess what, we can't have this Frame 40+ Move (had to slight charge it to break full shields btw) destroy shields in one hit, better change it so *the shockwave hitbox no longer hit shields seperately* , making it unable to break a full shield even at full charge.

[@WellToastedBagel]

7:36 I agree with both you, and Charles on this one. Laser is so helpful at setting the pace of the game into Fox's favor, thay i have been appreciating it more and more as of late. Fox's least usefully move by far is shine, imo. It either does its job ok enough against zoners, or does nothing besides edge guarding. The risk reward is so skewed against Fox though, that I feel indifferent about how worth while it is go actually edge guard with it. I will say, looking over the cast as a whole. It does have some really good use against more top and high tier characters than you would think. Applying it to the general cast though, and no matter what way your using shine. It's utility is very clearly defined and therefore limited in its use. Reflecting, recovery mix ups, and edge guarding. Depending on what you value, I guess it is more "useful" than laser. But laser helps Fox with his general game plan more than shine, so I think for this reason it wins over shine in most, if not all cases.

[@danielrendon7895]

Terminal montage should make it so that palutena and melee Marth both accidentally grab each other from far away.

[@SoraDonaldGoofy99]

As often as Sonic's Up-Smash has helped me, I'm surprised that it is considered his worst move.

[@UnSaxon51]

As a Ridley main, I agree with PJiggles and Ridley-cord. Yes, Skewer is a gimmick, and not even a very good one at that. But it's still slightly better than dair, which IMO is the worst dair in the game (after Mac) and is completely not worth using under any circumstances.

[@ivrydice0954]

Is it cause up-b?

[@kawee1]

I think mac's dair might actually be better than ridley's dair

[@gbx4858]

@@kawee1 No. It’s not.

[@Sticker_By_NCT_127]

I’d say d air is better solely because you can footstool out of shield with it, which is good for a character with bad OOS options. But hey I’m no Ridley player so idk

[@Firethorn.gaming]

Charizard's wings were intangible in Smash 4 if I'm not mistaken.

[@tpete096]

I think min mins down air is her worst move by far. Her up b recovery isn't great, but if you get used to using it as an attack it's really useful.

[@anwnerd1762]

Funny how yesterday I just rewatched Pjiggles's whole series, and now you made a reaction to it.

[@randomguy8107]

Tweek : « it’s better for Diddy to use non-angled Ftilt to 2frame, rather than DAFT because you don’t risk getting down-tilt »

[@flamingpaper7751]

Piranha Plant's Footstool Attack shouldn't count because it's not a move since your opponent does the input for you. It's an attack, but not a move

[@ItsameeSmashBrosHeffty]

I watched part 3 with a friend and I jokingly said in a pjiggles voice “Shulk’s worst move is neutral special” and we both burst out laughing

[@nwz6084]

BTW. SK has BANNED people just for disagreeing with SK on dair vs hammer. That's how echo chamber they are.

[@lanaturebon8204]

I might not have Shulk as a main or secondary main, but he is one of my most played characters anyway, so I can say from experience that he can get quite good use out of Down Smash compared to jab. You know how MkLeo can consistently condition his opponents to shield at the wrong time and shield break them for it? Even though that Down Smash is super slow and laggy? That’s basically the same case for Buster Down Smash for Shulk.

[@JAnne_Bonne]

36:11 The SECOND you said you were going for a non-nine/non-eight/non-one, I knew it would take forever to get. I lost it at all the sound effects!

[@jstar3382]

8:04 yep. Laser is having an unseen affect on matches. That's what makes it so good

[@jacopodeldeo4308]

5:50 as a kirby main myself i must say d-air is completely outclassed as an edgeguarding tool by nair and it’s completely unusable in neutral so it’s actually just a combo bridge if you are able to hit weak uptilt at a very specific percentage. Hammer has some really niche shield break set ups with platform help that can be inescapable against some characters as it beats hold shield, jump and spot dodge plus is your best shield break punish and it can be used as a ledge trap vs big bodies. And dash attack is miles better than both of these moves not even in the picture

[@pvzmariosonica8fan]

5:40🔥🔥🔥🔥 "Find me _one_ good clip of a Kirby player hitting Hammer against another good player"

[@matlotl]

For pit its easily forward tilt. The move has practically zero purpose. You mentioned its fairly active and can apparently be good to cover ledge options... but then moves like nair and dair exist that cover plenty of ledge options way better and easier. Sweetspot is tiny, hitting said sweetspot doesn't give a ton of reward, and the sourspot practically achieves nothing at all. Plus the move as a whole is very slow to start up and has way too much endlag in addition to that. Now if we could angle ftilt then it might be useful as a 2-frame tool... but as it stands its easily the worst move of his kit.

[@cypressmicnovicz9541]

I think something to make sure is notable is that the Discords are probably full of Elite Smash players and not pros, so it could be that these are two very different thought processes of the game.

[@KingKayEyeDee]

Raptor boost is still really inconsistent even after all the patches. It kinda nullifies the good elements because the move straight up doesn't hit

[@KingKayEyeDee]

Like, I'm literally playing smash rn and raptor boost constantly fails on opponents both walking away and INTO YOU. Why on the fucking earth can a move whiff because someone WALKED INTO IT.