Every Stage of a Flood Infection (and the DISTURBING ENDGAME) | Halo Lore

We look at EVERY STAGE of a Flood Infection on today's Halo Lore video, including the disturbing endgame which could see the Flood move to other galaxies.
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[@owenkasaboski6902]

Just a small correction from someone who loves halo lore. Carrier forms aren't so much an evolution as they are a case of recycling. Combat forms that have been heavily damaged or beings that lack sufficient biomass to make an effective combat form ( grunts and jackals for instance ) are turned into carriers. Or at least that's what happens to them if their not just added to the gravemind to server as more biomass to create pure forms

[@satan7350]

Some grunts and jackals don't suffer thia fate, like the ones in halo wars1 and 2

[@0XIIIIII]

It's all dependant but yes you're correct

[@Luke_H98]

"I am a timeless chorus, join your voice with mine and sing victory everlasting!" -Gravemind

[@Nukefandango]

I? I am a monument to all your sins.

[@travisjoslin54]

I never really understood this quote, was the grave mind attempting to get you to infect yourself? Or is there another explanation

[@dr._breens_beard]

@@travisjoslin54 the gravemind and primordial are one. Testing the resolve of humanity's worth to shoulder the mantle is its ultimate goal. I suspect it was simply covering its bases when it comes to testing the strength of chief's will to resist it.

[@scathelock5648]

I have listened through rock and metal and time! Now I shall talk and you shall listen

[@XD-kw2nq]

"Child of my enemy why have you come, i offer no forgivness a father's sins passed to his son".

[@oxygenhasarrived3147]

“This is not your grave, but you are welcome in it.” Just sends chills to my spine every time I replay the campaign.

[@StarScapesOG]

#askeck how did the hutts respond to Leia killing Jabba the hutt?

[@robertnelson9599]

I would assume they would do everything they can to try and kill her. But training under Luke means she is probably safe.

[@heavyarms55]

Some hated her and some feared her. There was a Hutt in the NJO who was actually scared of her.

[@maxpower3990]

Mostly they wouldn't care. There were dozens if not hundreds of Hutt Clans each with dozens members and Jabba was 1 Hutt who ran a criminal syndicate across the galaxy. That is assuming they even know, everyone on the Sail Barge was either dead or a Rebel and anyone left at Jabba's palace wouldn't know who killed him, just that it was some Rebels and a Jedi.

[@saltrxn]

In Bloodline: she gained a sort of boogeyman status, frequently being called the “Huttslayer” by the criminal underworld as a term of both respect and fear, especially as she was cracking down on crime as a senator

[@sethwinters3556]

I think in legends some of the hutts actually praised her and we're glad she killed jabba, particularly his family because they were able to basically claim his riches. Some did fear her as some people said, she was given the title of "Hutt killer" because hutts are notoriously hard to kill and she did it with a simple chain. Although I think in reality it they were really as strong as legends made them seem, jabba would have been able to easily throw her off him and around the room with that chain.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Can you imagine if somewhere out in the Milky Way galaxy, The Flood truly does exist, a near unstoppable alien parasitic lifeform that predates mankind?

[@jacksonstuff3524]

I try not to

[@Ledabot]

I wonder if a robotic super being is more likely. A paperclip maker

[@robertnelson9599]

@@Ledabot Like in Foundation?

[@khadenallast4495]

Welcome to the world of viruses, the more you know about the ones we already have the less easily you'll be able to sleep at night. That said, something like the Flood could never exist. They essentially have psychic powers which (despite all our wishes) are pure fantasy, and are able to mutate the body far too quickly. There are other considerations as well, such as the fact that the mutations to the body would require the introduction of a virus of some form to actually go in and change the cellular structure. While it is certainly possible for a virus to jump the species barrier (SARS-CoV-2, aka COVID-19, as the most current example), there are a myriad of caveats and limitations, which are likely to be increased exponentially by the alien nature of the virus. Basically they'd be more likely to kill you outright than actually mutate you into a "zombie" or the like, that would require centuries of contact or an offensively gross amount of sheer freaking luck, or an intelligent design mutating the virus artificially with the full human genome as a reference. Consider how long rabies has been around, and so far the worst it can do (depending on the specific strain) is give you hydrophobia. Anyway, the long and short of it is there's a better chance of rabies mutating to become the "Rage Virus" from 28 Days Later (even though in that movie it was Ebola) than there is of something like the Flood posing a viable threat.

[@Solaxe]

@@khadenallast4495 their psychic powers aren't too far fetched, I imagine it as some sort of organic quantum entanglement

[@alih5862]

You forgot that there isn't only 1 gravemind but multiple depending on how much biomass has been consumed, when there are multiple graveminds then keyminds will start popping up which are planet sized and at that point it becomes impossible to stop or contain them.

[@heribertoherrera1654]

Death star? Or equivalence?

[@RevokFarthis]

@@heribertoherrera1654 only if the death star can be everywhere at once, because once you get two grave minds and planet size keyminds they unlock space magic and can do basically anything they want, like just teleport with near limitless range because "they are just that smart" I guess

[@Giblet12]

At that point the central combined intelligence of the flood is called the gravemind. It’s known that graveminds will share the memories of all the graveminds that have been created before, because the one we see in the games has the memories of The Primordial.

[@satan7350]

I mean they are holding the knowledge of millions of people, if physic powers are the only magic they have, I think we're lucky.

[@anthonylamonica8301]

@@satan7350 You're off by several orders of magnitude. They have the knowledge of TRILLIONS of people, and that's probably too small of a unit of measurement. Quadrillions might be more accurate--think about just how immense the Forerunner Ecumene spread, or how much of Ancient Humanity got consumed. There are over 7 BILLION people on Earth right now; the Flood ate scores of planets worth of Ancient Humanity, the populations of which were almost certainly much greater than our modern rock.

[@jiggyjiggles8410]

The flood is probably the most powerful “zombie” idea I’ve seen yet. Almost unstoppable

[@MrBlue99912]

Once it becomes a key mind multi planet it is basically a god is unstoppable unless you halo array it to non existence

[@trav2190]

They can be stop. U have to act really really fast

[@sumreensultana1860]

@@trav2190 can't stop it if it reaches Critical mass unless you're ready to Destroy planets whivh is only way to combat flood without Halo array

[@jshrhrgahhuehtnmppl]

I can’t read yalls replies lol

[@jshrhrgahhuehtnmppl]

@@sumreensultana1860 The Ancient Humans tried this and it didn’t work

[@Anglomachian]

The terrifying idea that the Milky Way galaxy is the only galaxy not dominated by Flood infection.

[@SnarkyZazu]

Welcome to Warhammer 40K, where that exact scenario is a very real possibility

[@ZeroNumerous]

@Owen Yin It's not actually known whether or not Tyranids have consumed another galaxy. It's an in and out of universe theory though.

[@patriot17764th]

yes!!

[@DireMerc]

Was playing a stellaris as my version of the forerunner recently when the Flood faction I designed and forced spawned contacts me with this message. "We had considered The Forerunners as a candidate for assimilation into the flood hive but sadly this would require that you have a rudimentary brain" Ouch that was savage.

[@SC-ce3vp]

I c ths az an absulut win

[@pixynowwithevenmorebelkanb6965]

Ouch

[@overtbias9305]

Step 1: creation of an infection form Step 2: getting enough biomass for a proto-Gravemind Step 3: creating a Gravemind and establishing your outbreak Step 4: ??? Step 5: HiddenXperia

[@thesolarhunter]

Step 6: Profit

[@spaceonisorceress4406]

Set your own hours, be your own boss!

[@spooky_4624]

ICONIC

[@memorymangaming]

step 6: profit

[@andyfriederichsen]

Step 6: Create a socialist utopia.

[@IrishPhoenix7]

The floods endgame scenario is terrifying to put it mildly, I think the only verses that the flood could possibly lose is against the demons from the doom universe, I believe hiddenexperia did a video on that a little while ago

[@Leitis_Fella]

@@bramlokhorst4579 Tyranids would beat the flood.

[@llamallamapajama9571]

@@bramlokhorst4579 if not due to the sheer technological disparity between the floods norm and fething SPACE MARINES

[@godofallrealities51]

@@Leitis_Fella I have actually reviewed all the facts of how both Flood vs Tyrannids. My conclusion is that it's a tie. The Flood can't be cured ,period, but can be resisted, so the question becomes how much resistance the Tyrannids can gain from adapting, however, there's no way for us to know that, which is why it's a tie between the two. Tyrannids "shadow in the Warp" wouldn't affect the Flood do to Flood hive mind being separate from the Warp. And then the Floods logic plague which can be used on any being and evolve and adapts on it's own but we end up with the same problem as before. So again, a tie.

[@godofallrealities51]

@@bramlokhorst4579 No, if the Forerunners couldn't do it, then the majority of 40k factions at their height wouldn't be able to do it. The only ones that have the possibility of doing so is the Necrons at there height and possibly Tyrannids.

[@layeredchips6173]

The Time Lords would defeat the Flood easily, so would The Daleks at their height, and even The New Dalek Paradigm would probably be able to do it, just not as easily. To the people who say that Warhammer 40,000 factions could do it are probably wrong. The Forerunners would defeat almost every faction in the Warhammer 40K Galaxy, the only things that could stand up to them would be Necrons at their height and Chaos. The Flood at their height would definitely be able to defeat everything below those factions, with the unlikely but possible exception of the Tyranids

[@stevenldoe7838]

Stargate Atlantis and universe had intergalactic travel too. Dam flood are the real nightmare fuel

[@dr._breens_beard]

well they are the "real" god (in the halo universe that is)

[@sashali6666]

Eck: Talks about the flood* HiddenXperia: Allow me to introduce myself*

[@BrooksKingdomHeart]

Instillation00 has entered that chat...

[@Ntwadumela89]

Halofollower: 😩

[@Skylancer727]

Iconic. XD

[@asanglajamir7178]

Day 1: Flood infection form Day 2: Combat form Few moments later: Ptotogravemind Day 3: Gravemind Few minutes later: takes over UNSC frigide Day 4: Takes over highCharity Few hours later: Crashed in the ARK 5 years later: Atrioxs brutrs raid highCharity and forms a keymind Atriox: My brutes are idiots

[@JaelaOrdo]

"I am a timeless chorus. Join your voice with mine, and sing victory everlasting." - The Gravemind

[@Stratonetic]

"Do not be afraid, I am peace, I am salvation."

[@Wren4123]

AAAAASSSRRRRRRGGHGGGUUUUUHHHHH

[@Luke_H98]

"Child of my enemy why have you come? I offer no forgiveness, a fathers sins passed to his son."

[@John_Flamesinger]

"We exist together now. Two corpses... in one grave."

[@BllyTheKd]

Hey eck. I just have a statement,(if you even see this comment) I've seen so many of your videos. Im starting to wonder if the list of things you have covered has become larger than that of what you haven't covered. Just wondering what is next.

[@owenkasaboski6902]

I believe you may have missed the scariest fact of them all for the gravemind. _it remembers all_ Once a gravemind has fully formed. It gains the memory of ALL PREVIOUS GRAVEMINDS. So any that exist have the combined knowledge of the forerunners and precursors. which is, for instance, how the one in h2 knew how to stop the ring from firing, and knew to go to the ark

[@maxpower3990]

I wonder how, do you think it can link to the Domain?

[@Freelix2000]

@@maxpower3990 Seems to be the case. HiddenXperia's video on the Primordial implied that the domain was how the flood can communicate and retain knowledge. The domain is precursor after all, and it seems like the flood might not really be a tragic perversion of the precursors, but really they're basically the same thing.

[@maestreiluminati87]

It's also worth noting that the Gravemind isn't even the flood's endgame, that'd be the Keymind which is on its own league, and there can be multiple Keyminds around at the same time too

[@mee4644]

Keyminds are just true Flood intelligences. For instance, the juggernaut thing from Halo Wars 2 is a keymind.

[@anthonylamonica8301]

@@mee4644 You're thinking of Pure Forms, which are not made of infected members of other species, but entirely from Flood biomass that has been specifically shaped for a particular purpose; though, to be fair, Keyminds and Graveminds are both Pure Forms as well. The Flood Tanks and Flood Stalker things that shot bones at you in Halo 3 are Pure Forms, like the Juggernaut. The Keymind is made of the biomass of an entire planet. Possibly less depending on how overpopulated a given planet is when it gets eaten, but you get the idea.

[@codylego]

The gravemind is the collective consciousness of the flood, keyminds are just nodes in the greater gravemind brain

[@BlackMethos]

That moment when you realize the whole mess could've been avoided if the Forerunners had just pushed the button and *eradicated all traces* of the Flood. So stupid imho.

[@ur-didact1991]

It's not possible

[@gas-station-sushi]

@Santiago Lopez Castro they activated them though

[@hey-zl4kh]

there was evidence that the flood existed outside the galaxy. The idea was to have samples for experimentation and research to find another method of defeating the flood without destroying all life in the universe.

[@rickraptor4647]

the flood are such a cool alien life form!, too bad we'll never see them in a halo game again do to 343's rated T laws for the 10 year olds

[@satan7350]

Halo wars 2 brought them back, maybe we'll see them in infinite, who knows

[@davycannonhound9005]

Not a mainline title, and you’ll notice that the transformations happened off-screen in the cutscenes.

[@cloudy3690]

I didn't like them much cause they were very annoying especially in halo 2,but there is a chance that a parasite might've survived

[@rickraptor4647]

​@@cloudy3690 i respect your opinion, but that's what was cool about them they was a challenge because you have to fight them differently and not just the covenant and using the same tactics, more then 1 faction in a video game is endless fun. but Now the prometheans was just flat out annoying, and i hope you're right that the flood might have a chance to return!, or at least a flood firefight game mode

[@rickraptor4647]

@@satan7350 my fingers are crossed halo wars 2 had me hype for the flood

[@tonythegreat4275]

Um ya got it mixed up bro, HERES THE ORDER. Proto-Gravemind Gravemind Keymind

[@brendonkale9237]

That moment when you wonder if the Death Star could be used to deal with the Flood

[@Alucia0]

It depends on the stage of the outbreak.

[@dinodude6992]

When you play stellaris with gigastructures enabled: pathetic little death star... Watch as I build a space ship out of an entire solar system

[@Giblet12]

Maybe, but if a single spore got on that station. It’d soon fall, and then we’d have the flood with the control of the Death Star.

[@davycannonhound9005]

Considering that destroying a Solar System’s star was considered standard CONTAINMENT protocol about mid-way into the war. Thats quite the step above planet destruction, and still didn’t work.

[@cgi2002]

Honestly the SW universe has no real method of flood containment, their lack of over were overkill and poor quarantine procedures would doom them quickly. Consider they can't/don't enforce quarantine methods when moving between worlds. They don't have advanced nanotechnology to counter the threats, and they lack area of effect weaponry in common use. Now compare this to star trek (SW most common comparison). Transporters routinely stop pathogens spreading, and can allow objects/people to be moved around without having to walk a potentially infected person across a ship. Bio scanners are also exceptionally common, and tend to be standard equipment for nearly everyone. Nanotechnology is a major thing, especially since the Borg encounters. Even without the nanotechnology, star treks medical knowledge is far more advanced, species like the Videans are terribly advanced in this regard. As for area of effect weapons, infantry weapons have settings to basically hit everything around them. Phaser rifles can be set to sweep a room hitting every surface, this was a security method against the Dominion. And super weapons, are infact exceptionally common (although all are banned by treaty), and these include the ability to blow up stars, create black holes or just shatter a planet. Oh and thats just the current species not the ancient races or god level beings like Q. That said SW ancient races had similar levels of power/potential. And before you mention it, by their very nature, the flood is immune to the force and its abilities due to been a non-SW species.

[@goingblargh]

I wonder how the flood would fare against the Zerg Swarm, as their whole spiel is about adapting to anything that tries to kill them.

[@BLOrtega]

It'll just turn into a slug fest between the two, one throws bodies at their enemy while the other uses said bodies to then throw them back

[@shadowguy321]

I know this is a 1 year old comment but I choose to answer it anyways being a heavy SC fan. The Zerg will die. Reason: the infection of species from both races is very different, as it their C&C, with everything being the Flood's favour. Zerg infect by infestation, but their infestation while not fully understood seems to work like a hyperevolutionary virus, which is in a constant state of changing. However, some organic beings are immune to it. E.g., Protoss can't be infested. There are only 2 instances when they have been, one in the comics (which are dubiously canon) and Raszagal, who was already ancient by the time it happened. Flood have no essence to infest or consume, therefore the Zerg virus is innert. Zerg C&C is completely centralized with the Overmind or Queen of Blades. Both can be killed or have their control disrupted under the correct circumstances. When that happens the Zerg go feral and just become like a pack of viscous animals, just as likely to kill each other as kill an enemy. Zerg are also apparently quite easy to take control of. The games say they are not, but we've watched Zerg turn on their masters more than a few times in SC games, Amon had no trouble doing it while Kerrigan was alive and well. Flood infestation is done through a scrambling of DNA. The DNA of the victim is forcibly rewritten to match the flood infection form. This means that anyone is fair game unless their DNA is already degrading (e.g. Sergeant Johnson, and Halsey was clear that it was a total fluke and impossible to replicate, regardless of way it happens). Flood can corrupt AI, Zerg can not, their systems are not compatible and they have never encountered AI in the SC universe, anyways. The closest are Terran Adjutants, which are no where close to the brain levels of an AI. Flood C&C is both centralized and decentralized, and their understanding increases with each victim killed. This would turn the Zerg psychic link into a direct weapon against them. All Zerg are connected. If 1 is infested by the Flood, the entirety of the Zerg C&C is made known to the Flood, their strategy can now adapt to whatever they are dealing with. Flood can corrupt anything, and even corrupt space itself to the point that intersellar travel is no longer possible, isolating entire armies. The Zerg are strong, but the Flood are God-like. They defeated the Forerunners. The Forerunners would squash the Zerg before breakfast. Against the Flood, the Zerg are elimainted with completely negligible casualties. There is no situation where Zerg can defeat the Flood. Flood also spread far more quickly. A single flood spore can destroy a species. They are everything the Zerg wish they could be but never will achieve.

[@noneed4me2n7]

Love the Halo lore, the novels and other media outside of the games. Sadly,I think the later series lean to heavily on the rogue AI trope and wish they'd do more precursor and forerunner exploration, both in tech and philosophy.

[@Skylancer727]

Yeah honestly I couldn't care less about the AI side of things. I know they wanted to go into it because Cortana was supposed to be decommissioned, but I just fine the Flood/ Precursors much more interesting as their story is so captivating. The idea these things are basically a malevolent god that created all life just begs to be fleshed out even more. I know the Flood weren't always the best to fight but it was incredibly unique.

[@gamerdude746]

I don't get why the Flood is such a big deal. Just build a dam.

[@shimshambam]

“I am the monument of all your sins”

[@Riflery]

"This is not your grave, but you are welcome in it."

[@maestreiluminati87]

"I am the Bruh moment of all your sins"

[@darkapostle1]

"Silence fills the empty grave, now that I have come."

[@darkapostle1]

"But my mind is not at rest, for questions linger on."

[@ysfsim]

@@darkapostle1 " I will ask, you will answer"

[@Dr-Chimken]

"The flood feed on the essence of life its self" - Master builder

[@rebelappliance771]

Biologically, I think the flood counts as a colonial parasite, as it consists of multiple organisms that make one collective organism.

[@SchwayGoose]

Here's a question: How much of the universe outside of the Milky Way Galaxy did the Flood consume? They pretty much left the Galaxy for a little bit during the Forerunner/Flood War, right?

[@maestreiluminati87]

The Flood on the 41st millennium is tricky because there are various stages which i will divide in 4 stages: The first stage is the feral stage, they are animals at best with high infection rate, but not a lot of numbers nor strategy nor any way it could be an interplanetary threat Second stage is the proto Gravemind, this one I deem just like the first one since the protogravemind doesn't stand anywhere near an actual Gravemind in terms of danger, so yeah early detection makes it easy to deal with 3rd one is a bit more serious, since there is now a full blown Gravemind, we have to assume there is a SHIT TON of biomass going around, several systems have already probably succumbed to the infection and now it's a question of; where is it and how much infection forms are there, if it's anything less than a couple dozen million i think it's manageable still And stage 4 is game over, that's when you get the Keyminds, which are nothing like the Graveminds, a Keymind gets access to the full capabilities of Neurophysics from the Precursors as well as access to the Domain, containing being millions of years of information that was once from Precursor origin, there can also be multiple Keyminds around at the same time, at this point the Imperium has 0 chance of dealing with it, not even mentioning the Tau or Eldar and it would be more of a fight between The Flood and the Nids, not considering the Necrons since the Flood have the logic plague

[@TheWingland]

How would Palpatine right after Phantom Menace do in the Warhammer 40k universe? Would he be able to achieve a position of power through either his political skill or for be powers? Or would he be destroyed easily since the Warhammer universe is so much stronger than the Star Wars universe? #askeck

[@sithlordexarkun6984]

Branded a heretic and purged by a Lord Inquisitor, or a Culexus Assassin. He wouldn’t be fooling any of the so many people suspicious of everyone, which is everyone in 40k who is alive or wants to continue living.

[@anthonylamonica8301]

@@sithlordexarkun6984 Perhaps, but the amount of damage he'd need to cause first for the Officio Assassinorum to involve one of their agents is truly colossal; they don't usually send their agents unless the target is comparable in status to a Planetary Governor, or as powerful as a Chaos Champion, not to mention that the High Lords are usually needed to okay the mobilization of an assassin if I recall correctly. Not to mention that a Lord Inquisitor almost certainly wouldn't get involved immediately, because there are certainly more pressing concerns for one of such stature than a single suspected rogue Psyker; the Lord Inquisitor would leave it to the Adeptus Arbites or the Sororitas to deal with first.

[@kennethpryde966]

Palps would be contacted/corrupted by a demon almost the instant he arrived. His "psychic" powers are considerable and would be a huge beacon in the warp. I have serious doubts he could resist such an encounter. Practitioners of the force don't really have to deal with and aren't trained to fight that kind of intrusion. There is also the possibility that his powers would be greatly magnified in that universe. His powers could be fueled not by the force but by the warp itself. He may well bitch-slap the first demon who tried to seduce him and quickly figure out that the rules have changed. Honestly, I could see him becoming a rather zealous inquisitor, if he he showed up in the right system and to the right people. Then again I could see him doing a God Emperor thing and make a deal with the devil for more power. Imagine him styling himself as the Emperor reborn and creating a second Imperium of Man and causing a massive civil war. *Tzeentch approves this message*

[@sithlordexarkun6984]

Anthony LaMonica I mention Lord Inquisitor or Culexus because as basically a champion of Chaos he’s likely going to wipe out Arbites like nothing and take Sororitas out well enough. Have to send in a boss to take out another boss.

[@maxpower3990]

@@sithlordexarkun6984 They wouldn't need a Lord Inquisitor or a Culexeus, the Black ships are endlessly roaming the Imperium and they all have contingents of the Sisters of Silence. Palpatine's first experience of one of those Pariah ladies is when he starts vomiting and bleeding from his ears and eyes.

[@ToaDrakua]

A couple comparisons I would like to see is the Flood against similar "shaping sickness" type enemies like the Zerg of Starcraft fame or the Tyranids of Warhammer 40k. Both species work off of the premise of heavy bio-engineering and the conversion of entire ecosystems to suit their needs, but are also just different enough from the Flood to warrant further discussion. Edit: I say this, knowing full well that your comparison of Flood v. Tyranid is in the video list next to this one.

[@sandman8496]

Let’s get this bread

[@LordPadriac]

I think we're missing the really important question here. If Superman or the Flash ran around a planet completely consumed fast enough could they outrun the particles trying to infect them for long enough to turn back time to before the planet's gravemind formed?

[@Toxarm]

Eck could you make a video Discussing if the Galactic Empire could Fight off the flood? Seems like it would be really interesting to talk about, Like if the flood infected someone who was force sensitive.

[@squlrgy]

Carrier forms are created when a combat form is badly damaged or a host is to small to be a combat form like a jackle not when a combat form has to much flood bio mass is on a host

[@DJ-kq5yp]

The solution that can stop the Flood is........... Master Chief/Blue Team & Cortana and the Arbiter😂

[@_tertle3892]

Lots of flamer marines

[@darkapostle1]

Aboard the Shadow of Intent, because why not?

[@maelstrom8242]

What if instead of the precursors having their bio dust turn into flood maybe it was intended and because of that, once the flood conquers a galaxy all the flood become a precursor or a group of precursors, and then they restart the cycle in another galaxy?

[@AlphaFoxDelta]

The most infamous infection in fiction.

[@robertnelson9599]

And the most deadly.

[@thorshammer7883]

#AskEck *Attempt 782* Can you do the Forerunners vs the Imperium of Man faction versus video soon please?

[@TheLoraxshadenough]

The imperium would win hands down

[@thorshammer7883]

@@TheLoraxshadenough And why? What's the context?

[@cqbjones4861]

Dennis Baillargeon *laughs* no

[@andrewhoward2537]

I always wondered what would happen when if the Flood consumed everything in the universe. Would they decay due to starvation? Would they be at peace with it, their purpose fulfilled? Or would they just sit and do nothing for eternity?

[@-Wraith]

“We trade one villain for another” Arbiter 2553

[@Kanerudo]

I always wondered who'd win in a fight; the Flood or the X from the Metroid universe. The X can also infect any lifeform (excelt Metroids) including dead bodies. X can recreate a perfect copy of the host, not just a mutated body like the Flood, and thus making it way easier to sneak into new areas and infect new places. So no trick are needed like creating a portal to a new place The X only need one parasite to infect a whole planet and itbseems, that the X are way faster in infecting a place then the Flood. (In Metroid Dread, it took them maybe a few hours to take over the planet) The Flood is way smarter with having a gravenind and with the X maybe being a copy of the Flood (or any similar being of any game/movie/book) and the Flood being a copy of “The Thing“ it would be interesing to have a deathbattle video with those two parasites

[@LennoxParsec]

This makes me want a ''What if...'' game.

[@toastpuppy3491]

I’ve never been too interested in Halo, but if Eck makes a video on it... I have to watch.

[@badzombie0135]

The weight of your heresy shall stay your feet, and you will be left behind.

[@Tisserande]

lol same

[@ugiustuskeiserus8066]

If you do check the series out make sure you at least know the story of Halo 2. It's pretty much the one with the best writing, characters, plot, voice actors and atmosphere in the series. I know many love Halo 3, and I do too, but I just think the quality of 2 is unmatched.

[@Ilikeavocados123]

Ügiustus Keiserus i like halo 4 story is worth giving it a try

[@firesniperbullet2]

Much as I hate to say it -It fell off really really bad since halo 4

[@DoctorLloydJenkins]

If you do more versus in the future can you do a sub series where the SCP Foundation tries to contain thins from the other universes? Like imagine them trying to contain a Gravemind or a Jedi or something

[@bonelesssnek4883]

Hey eckharts ladder! The flood is one of my favorite topics in video games and I’m glad you did a video on it!

[@Marinealver]

I think a Precursor weapons pool would be interesting, Imagine flood like weapons.

[@Banana-Boi]

Yeah that'd be cool.

[@anthonylamonica8301]

Too bad that I think the Precursors had evolved to the point that they didn't NEED weapons at all. They could use Neural Physics, so rather than firing genocidal bioweapon bullets out of some gun they could just will space-time to eradicate you; and space-time would straight-up obey them. The only reason the Forerunners ever beat the Precursors was because the Precursors never actually tried to fight back.

[@shawnabraham7740]

Isn’t it theorized that the flood is actually a primitive form of the Precursors?

[@martinnavarrete5279]

Well technically thats what happens in halo silentium

[@Lazypackmule]

The Gravemind is an amazing concept, because it's the only type of monster that really works in the modern day without using manipulative tricks, a true eldritch horror The more you know about it, the more you become aware that you're not capable of truly understanding it, and the more terrifying it becomes It's not an alien species, or some mindless creature, not a zombie or even a hivemind, it is the exact opposite of an insect queen, it is The King in Yellow, the absence of individuality, something incomprehensible to human life, not a cheesy monster that makes us afraid of our place in the universe, fearful of the shadows in the space beyond like a caveman wondering what might be lurking in the bushes at night- but an existential terror that makes us confront whether 'our place in the universe' even exists

[@llamazing4326]

I know I’m not first

[@Orpheus2727]

I played halo with my sister when I was younger. I used to think the flood was real, and the flash flood warnings meant the flood were coming for us.

[@TheWingland]

What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck

[@sumreensultana1860]

Fall of he covenant rise of humanity second flood war Halo fire Restart of Galaxy

[@Skeptic_Tank]

Love your intro music. Love your well edited, researched lore videos

[@Tiberon098]

Oh I remember very well how freaked out my brothers and I were when we first saw the Flood, it is something I’ll never forget.

[@leopardthebismarck1519]

Nice

[@ZKP314]

*No View, 2 stated comments, 4 actual comments* Go home KZbin, you're drunk.

[@jake_lasagna8917]

No

[@shredder5749]

@@jake_lasagna8917 no me

[@hilkmeister1382]

Did you know that the views, comments desync comes from the fact that views and comments are recorded separately and when a video gets a huge flux of traffic it can send you old data. The reason why comments are higher is that it doesn’t get ticked up as much as views so it gets overloaded less.

[@Stratonetic]

@@hilkmeister1382 I thought the stuff just got stuck in an information black hole for a little.

[@hilkmeister1382]

Haro Shito The more you know :D

[@pancakesbf2704]

Please do a video recommending Star Wars books

[@JaelaOrdo]

Here’s some good legends books All 4 old Republic novels (Revan and Decieved especially though) Darth Bane Trilogy Thrawn Trilogy Republic Commando Series Labyrinth of Evil Dark Lord Rise of Darth Vader (I think that’s the title) I Jedi Riptide and Crosscurrent Darth Plagueis

[@minecraftpro270]

With links

[@sergioruiz733]

Depends what era and what stories you want to read.

[@piraptor5677]

I think that the video title should probably be changed from infection to outbreak, infection can sometimes be interpreted as being referring to an individual

[@skinnysanta8558]

Awesome, glad to see more Halo content on the channel, great video all around

[@angry_eck]

humans are probably the only thing that could stop the flood at least in universe

[@sonsodaslums]

Unless the precursors reappear

[@jshrhrgahhuehtnmppl]

Once a galaxy is consumed, The Flood will be hyper-intelligent due to having consumed the intelligence of every single living being there. The Flood would most likely go to another galaxy to infect more, but I don’t think they would do it immediately. They would know that one day they would have to go to a whole other universe if they win, so they would probably wait for that galaxy to figure out how to travel across different multiverses while consuming other ones. Once that galaxy succeeds, The Flood would then strike and take all of their knowledge.

[@stevenbecerra7193]

It’s interesting to consider the Flood to consume a whole Universe and then travel to new dimensions. Knowing the Flood can obtain knowledge from all its victims, they could be smart enough to reproduce new biomass. They could reproduce Humans or any species and consume their biomass, basically a pig slaughter Universe for the Flood’s gain. However, if the Flood aren’t patient enough to wait and reproduce fresh biomass, then they’ll be desperate enough to build a device to travel dimensions.

[@AnimeShinigami13]

#askeck FLOOD VS REAPERS FLOOD VS REAPERS FLOOD VS REAPERS!!!! C'mooooon can you do eeeeet?

[@justadictatorridingonanuke3714]

I hope they bring back the flood in halo infinite dlc. Perhaps an underground flood containment unit could be damaged during a fight with either the endless or the banished and flood spires begin to leak out. After a couple days all chief sees in the distance is a wave of spores swiftly flowing across the ring. Chief tells the pilot to get inside the pelican but he has already been exposed to the spores and slowly over the course of the DLC gets more and more infected. It would be cool to see a gravemind burst out of the ground in the horizon as the flood invasion has begun. For a few missions of the DLC chief goes to fire the ring to stop the flood. He fires it (He would find someway to survive it) and realises most of the flood are still on the ring. They have infected the Xalanyn and are now invincible to the ring. The gravemind now realises chief is the last lifeforms left on the ring uninfected. It begins to attack him (boss fight). The gravemind begins to win against chief and is about to make him part of the flood as the pilot (almost entirely infected by the flood) flys the pelican into the gravemind saving chief and redeeming his character for his selfish actions earlier in the story. The final mission would be to destroy the ring entirely to prevent an unstoppable galaxy wide flood invasion. At the end of the mission would be a warthog run as you escape the detonating ring. As chief flies of in a pelican away from the ring Zets halo blows up in the background. It marks the end of halo infinites campaign. It would be a truly fitting way to bring an end to zeta halo imo

[@wiibrockster]

I just had a scary thought,what if The Flood infected The Tyranids from 40k,that would be absolutley terrifying....

[@davidsuda6110]

I only played halo 1 so never worry about explaining in a simplified manner. They sound a lot like the zerg from starcraft. Or the Borg striped of most of their medicinal technology. I think those two would be the most interesting conflicts because they are so similar.

[@axiom4900]

"A single flood spore can destroy a entire species"

[@Stratonetic]

I always wondered if that the ProtoGravemind that Chief killed (speculatively,) while extracting the neural implant from Keyes, had some kind of link to the Gravemind that was on Installation 05, would make sense, since the Gravemind grabbed both Chief and Arbiter and talked to them like it already knew them, like it knew their importance. They both were on Installation 04, maybe the Gravemind knew this? "This one is machine and nerve and has his mind concluded. This one is but flesh and faith and is the more deluded."

[@personperson8563]

All graveminds have knowledge from the previous ones. So yes In all likelihood it probably had a link with the protogravemind in the form of all the knowledge in the form of all the knowledge of the proto gravemind being known by the grave mind

[@brianwiggins3870]

Even if he didn't know it from there the flood had consumed humans and covenant alike on the ring so he would have gained that knowledge one way or another

[@Stratonetic]

Brian Wiggins The Flood on Installation 04 were more feral before the ProtoGravemind, but even after Chief had presumably killed it, they were still coordinated, gathering at The Pillar of Autumn, sure the knowledge of The Autumn was stored in the memories of the marines and crewmen, but it was a mass mobilization, too direct for mindless roamers, this perhaps could be a link to the Gravemind telling them what their objective is, or perhaps the ProtoGravemind wasn't actually dead, in either case 117 was a very prominent character during the campaign on Installation 04, fighting through the hoards of Covenant and Flood, so did Vadam, but instead of Covenant, it was Humans, but he focused on the parasite when it was released, so focused that he had no idea the ring was going to be blown up by John until the last moments. I think that the ProtoGravemind was compiling information from them during the many skirmishes they had against the Flood and quite possibly forwarding it to other Graveminds, if there are more than the one instead of the one on Installation 05, this is how the Gravemind knew of 117 and of Thel, it took John before the quarantine zone was lifted and took Vadam afterwards, it could have gathered information from the bodies that The Covenant had so graciously given them during the quarantine lift, so it had the location of where Arbiter would be, but how did it know Chief would be where he was when it grabbed him? Maybe all that information the ProtoGravemind forwarded before the destruction of Installation 04 was enough to figure out what the Demon would do next and where to find and with the information of the Covenant Hierarchy, (with all the dead Covies and all,) it would understand what would happen to Thel and where to find him too.

[@codealpha64]

Nice

[@victorbruant389]

Halo 1 was the second creepiest game I played in 2001 after Aliens vs Predator 2, but I never bought an X-Box, so...

[@shaynejones3328]

2:35 you're playing a dangerous game there, friend

[@amystarnes5977]

My palms got sweaty just looking at that.

[@thedivide9559]

Coruscant would fall within days

[@KomodoMagic]

No, hours

[@cameronmac4134]

Thanks for another great video Eckharts! They really have helped me get through lockdown. Keep up the great work!

[@o_o-037]

#AskEck Do a flood video on neural physics & the Logic Plauge

[@Spartacus71090]

First! Lol well okay fine 11th. But still fun to land close nowadays.

[@gagaplex]

Does the Gravemind have its own views and agenda or is it trying to recreate the Precursors and achieve their goals somehow? Are the Flood their own entity that came about through the Precursors or are they part of the plan?

[@jakemako5135]

Subbed for star wars but love me some Halo. Keep up the amazing vids and we will get to 1 Mil!

[@jeefmcewan6660]

Which fool disliked this

[@ThoomLord]

Great video! You summarized it well, however technically a keymind is its own stage that comes after a gravemind. Keyminds are utterly ridiculously powerful graveminds, that generally have more than one locations. (Essentially they would have multiple bodies, on more than one planet) This is generally classified as its own stage, though I could definitely see it fitting into the prior, as a more general stage.

[@complex314i]

The Flood were virtually unbeatable in you old vs. Matches. So I've always wanted to see a video discussing: "what faction(s) from any scifi universe could defeat the flood?" I would suggest the Dune Universe. I. Personal shields are extremely common. II. A single organization, the Spacing Guild, controls all interstellar travel. This will make it easier to contain the flood. III. The Bene-Gesserit sisterhood have total nerve and fiber control. They can consciously control every nerve and muscle fiber in their body. To become a Bene-Gesserit a woman must swallow poison and render it chemically inert before it kills them. Perhaps they could resist flood infection. IV. The Great Worm Leto II, The God Emperor of Dune, or his father Muad'dib are prescient. They can see the future. Either of them would know exactly where the initial Flood infection would occur. The instant the Flood infection begins, that whole planet could be bombarded until nothing is left alive.

[@rookie4582]

Elites (Bungie) VS Predators please. Elites are heavily inspired by Predators!

[@lukeskywalker1215]

Glad we have been getting more halo content. Love your videos!

[@chrisgaming1286]

It would be interesting seeing the Replicators from Stargate vs the Flood.

[@austingx8295]

The flood will never know “what the ladies like.”

[@beastmastergaming8039]

What would happen if the flood, tyranid, borg and Zerg and necromorphs combined to make new parasite??? What could beat that??

[@Bigbadredg14nt]

What about the Zerg vs The Flood? I feel like they have very similar backstories and power sets. It would be interesting to discuss them indepth.

[@thedarklord7199]

when a grave mind dies as long as a few flood forms are left it's mind will never truly die

[@wearsjorge55]

Can you do a video on the eventual return of the flood? Their actual return by entering from outside our galaxy and not the containment breach on delta halo that was covered during halo 2 and 3

[@Unzki]

Thanks Eck! I've been a longtime fan of the Tyranids in WH40K, and I really like similar races/entities like the Zerg and the Flood. It was interesting to learn more of the latter, definitely looking for more videos as I can't play most of the Halo games myself on my comp, and would additionally be very interested in learning about the Necromorphs of Dead Space which seem to be of a similar bent. I recall there are SCP entities that also bear similarities to the aforementioned (Flesh That Hates was one, IIRC), and, well, basically any galactic locust/living cancer/etc. -type of thing is of interest to me. =D

[@wearsjorge55]

Don't know how I feel about the keymind retcon made by halo wars 2. I guess it makes the flood more balanced but it's still sad to see it removed

[@sonsodaslums]

I like that you’re uploading more Halo content, you’re finally living up to your intro

[@chinese_t1920]

#askeck Who would win in a one-on-one matchup, the Empire at its height or the SCP Foundation?

[@anthonylamonica8301]

SCP Foundation. They could nicely ask SCP-343 to save them, and more likely than not it would agree to do so. Or if they're feeling particularly horrible, they could unleash SCP-682 on the Empire and hope that they have the means to permanently kill it, but not before enough of them die first to level the playing field.

[@Skylancer727]

@@anthonylamonica8301 Oh they have much worse than that. They have SCP-3003 which could infect an entire galaxy, SCP-498 which can literally destroy planets, there is SCP-001 the broken god and it's many other parts, 2995 can theoretically also destroy worlds, 610 which could infect entire worlds like the Flood as it basically is the Flood, etc. The SCP foundation is so much more horrifying than anything you can ever imagine.

[@brandonm1881]

An interesting observation, the way the gravemind binds up chief vs arbiter, chief is completely wrapped, while arbiter is less restrained, maybe the gravemind understands the strength difference between the two, chief is stronger respectively

[@punishedvenomsnake716]

So damn hyped for Halo Infinite! Love to see this lore coming to a video because I'm fairly certain they will be the main enemies of Halo Infinite 👌

[@monteldublin1619]

I best forunner May have travel though time and space to halo infinity timeline to stop evill ai.

[@OkamiAmaterasu.]

This didn’t age well.

[@axiom4900]

The Eldrazi from Magic the gathering might have a decent chance at a toe to toe battle with the flood. Hopefully you will do a video with the Eldrazi vs the Flood

[@maestreiluminati87]

Tbh the only way to counter the flood is social distancing

[@thetoxictrashbin140]

Final stage: Obama

[@fallofmanbrand]

amazing video

[@snakem4a164]

I can see it now. Imagine if you would at the end of HSLO INFINITE. A ship slowly moving through space. Flood tentacles can be seen growing out of it. The once pristine amour plates of the ship are now a sickly flood-green. The camera pans to the he ships name. "INFINTY". Then the credits of the game roll.

[@DarknetDude]

I enjoy all your cover multiple topics existing within sci-fi. I've always been fascinated by fictitious infections, like the one in World of Warcraft.