Everybody Says Mark Was the First Gospel, But Was It? (With Dr. David Alan Black)

[@Geotrudeau7481]

I took Dr. Black in my undergraduate. How he is in this video is how he is all the time. Down to earth, kind, and very wise. I didn't just learn Greek with him. I gained wisdom.... Plus he let us out an hour early every class which was really cool.

[@traildude7538]

Sounds a lot like my first Greek professor and some later on. I've long suspected that someone who can sit down and read Greek as easily as they read a newspaper must absorb some solid good sense and wisdom.

[@jakehumphrey1213]

I was thinking I needed something to watch on my lunch break, and then the notification came. Thanks Matt!

[@kiersiebug]

I’m a Catholic in the Roman Rite and I love hearing the gospel accounts called “The Gospel According to....” because that’s how we refer to them in the liturgy of the Mass!

[@andysedlak1534]

That is exactly what I was thinking when I was watching the video.

[@johncalabria1607]

I concur!

[@Vintage_Recreations]

That is how we cite them in the Lutheran church as well.

[@magiccitymelkite6161]

That's how we say it in the Byzantine Rite too, at my Melkite Greek Catholic church.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

Modern scholars say Mark was written first but the Church Fathers said Matthew was written first, followed by Mark then Luke then John.

[@markkeenan1244]

Awesome interview, I will look for more of his work now. Matt, found your channel about a year now, it's fantastic! God Bless you brother.

[@foundyif]

"Looks like he played center for Brigham Young basketball" I choked on my sandwich omg

[@MarcusSwope]

"as everybody knows hebrew does not have a singular for heaven"... :looking around nervously and side-eyed:... yeah... I knew that, duh...

[@BogeyCDogRosey]

Marcus Swope right ? 🤣🤣🤣

[@DaleBoyce2012]

Yep. I still can't tell the difference between a plural and a dual.

[@DaleBoyce2012]

shamaim - plural - heavens mahanaim - dual - two camps

[@m.a.bushling]

All I heard after he said that was "...but only slightly less well-known is this: 'Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!' Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"

[@BogeyCDogRosey]

🤣🤣🤣. 💀

[@sauerjoseph]

This was really good Matt! Dr. Black was amazing. He covered SO much biblical ground in a relatively short video. Some day, Dr. Black won't be with us, so it was really good to record all of this for future reference.

[@mnhorsewoman]

Here from TMBH podcast❤

[@CommIncenseCulture]

I was just talking about this with my wife. We are Orthodox now but I went to a Baptist Seminary to become a Free Church pastor and only ever heard the Mark/Q theory but then my professors would quote the Church Fathers to prove that the Gospels all connect back to the Apostles because that was very important to them. Later in life I looked at those sources and almost all the ones they were quoting to provide the Apostolicity of the Gospels were also saying that Matthew was the first gospel. Thanks for the interview!

[@MadolcheGabbana]

This was awesome and fun to hear, thanks for setting up the interview and of course an awesome thanks to Dr. David Alan Black for coming on. Blessings to you all, you and your loved ones, even so your enemies, from our LORD Christ Jesus, of the Spirit, from the Father, all in all God the Most High.

[@LightWordsToday]

Such a great hour of very interesting insights into the Gospel accounts! Thank you so much for doing this subject! Please do more like this! -Sean Elliot Russell

[@benjaminledford6111]

When I was in college, I heard a friend singing a lullaby that I knew from my mom, but her version had a simpler melody and used more repetition and fewer words in the lyrics. My immediate assumption (whether or not it was correct) was that I had learned the original version, and that her version was derived from it but had lost information as it had been passed down and misremembered. Then it hit me that the argument that Mark is the earliest because he's the simplest or least developed only works if you already assumed that Matthew and Luke developed by a sort of evolutionary process of added complexity over time. On the other hand, if you assumed that they were crafted by skilled writers with good information, then the simplicity of Mark could be interpreted to imply that it came later (like I assumed about my friend's version of the song).

[@sonnybrown4758]

My dude made a deep connection with me starting it all of with Transformers. Btw, I just told a friend of mine who hasn’t watched the cartoon that the original Transformers movie is very Old Testament.

[@samuelcooley9102]

Hey Matt, awesome video. It strengthens my faith as well as tickling the intellectual part of my mind.

[@fultonjackwaterloo4085]

As a practicing Catholic, REALLY enjoyed this presentation. This order had been speculated about; WILL order the book!

[@MM-jf1me]

Very interesting ideas! Thanks for interviewing Dr Black and having him introduce his ideas to us.

[@shawngillogly6873]

Thanks for this interview. Back when I was a Greek student, Dr David Allen Black was, along with Robert Mounce and Daniel Wallace, my preferred source for Grammatical questions because of his ability to put difficult concepts into clarity. It was good to hear him do that here with Matthean priority. Which I somewhat stubbornly held onto through my time in academia's halls.

[@hesedagape6122]

Almost got stoned for Matthean Priority so I get u

[@hop6965]

@@hesedagape6122 Lol, what happened?

[@hesedagape6122]

​@@hop6965 was threatened with a fail grade if I dont stop arguing for it

[@Nighthawkinlight]

Extremely interesting and compelling.

[@alaboutfood2326]

It really hit me "between the eyes" as a awesome spiritual aha when the Dr said we must remember its not really 4 different gospels but in fact 1 Gospel "according to" 4 different people ---each with their own styles, intended audiences and backing source Luke from Paul, Mark from Peter and maybe both also bouncing off of Matthew if in fact (which seems to make sense) was written 1st afterall.

[@tommybroughton1549]

And I'm over here like... I need to watch that again... Well, maybe a couple of times. Hahaha Thanks Matt. Just know that your work is, Very Much Appreciated! :) God bless.

[@ASLCoach]

Appreciate your posts daily! Yes, I replay them because they are JUST THAT GOOD!

[@Lepanto-1571]

I find this the most compelling dating/ordering of the Gospels I've heard so far. Very good!

[@jasontrader247]

So basically, Mark was like "wow", and then Luke and Matt where like "oh yeah", then John was like "whatever"

[@BiblicalStudiesandReviews]

j. D. , hold my non-alcoholic, non-fermented wine if John was a proto-fundamentalist

[@owen5023]

Stephen Hackett AKA, grape juice... How lame is that...

[@BiblicalStudiesandReviews]

😂

[@jeremygunter8806]

Matt what like "WOW!", then Luke was like "Yeah, yeah, mostly, but wait, there's more!", then Peter via Mark was like "Let's get back to the basics...", and then John was like "So that was cool, but BAM!".

[@adamcraig5232]

After watching this, I bought his book. The argument is very convincing and when you read in your Bible the footnote on Mark 16 about how it originally ended, it makes sense if it is just Peter reciting what he was a witness to. There's no intro or conclusion and the oldest text reflects the idea that the church father's were telling the truth!!

[@shelster]

This is a really good input! Thanks for talking about this topic with Dr. David Alan Black.

[@BiblicalStudiesandReviews]

When he says, Evangelical Group Think lol 😂

[@IndianaJoe0321]

I was like ... "yep!"

[@SearchingTheArchives]

This is fascinating. As a Catholic with a deep love of Scripture, the "Q" theory causes me to bristle. It's a modern explanation that goes against the earliest Church Fathers, and quite frankly, could easily be faith challenging to the less learned. St. Matthew didn't write the Gospel according to Matthew? St. John didn't write the Gospel according to John? They were all written post-fall-of-Jerusalem? The predictions contained therein were written after the fact!? I mean come on! I'm certainly not a Biblical scholar, and I definitely don't want to shun modern scholarship, but I'm listening to this episode with great enthusiasm!

[@murattanyel1029]

I have binge-watched your collection "Nuts and Bolts of the Bible" and have enjoyed it very much. Thanks, Mat! If I ever come to Wyoming, I'll look you up. I have been to Jackson Hole and remember that their mosquitos are as big as Alaskan ones.

[@craigmummert5125]

Thank you Matt for these wonderful videos. You might be one of my most used examples, outside the bible, that I use at my mens bible study.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

I'm honored Craig. Thanks for letting me help with what you're doing there.

[@Paulthored]

@@MattWhitmanTMBH Hey! I've heard that, from someone was on Janet Parshall (Moody Radio), that miracles happen in two ways... One way is the supernatural types, that blatantly ignores God's natural law's. Things like the Flood, Samson, virgin birth, or Rising from the Dead... Secondly, those miracles that obey God's natural law's, and are generally just a matter of timing for God's will. Things like Finding the Lamb for the sacrifice, bears mauling the teens, old age pregnancy, or the storm eventually calming down... And that the second type tends to happen up to twice as often as the first. Honestly Wondering what, if anything, you know on the subject. Peace! God bless you and your family!! Especially during this time of Pandemic. ✌😇✝🙏

[@RonJohn63]

IIRC, my old KJV bible from the 1970s said, "The Gospel according to ...".

[@leatherpastor]

Study of the Didache also assumes Matthew being written early as well.

[@marthaplayford7157]

It was so fun listening to you two. Thank you for your observations on the gospels

[@redeemedchannel5580]

I’ve been arguing for years that contemporary scholars are dead wrong that Mark’s gospel was written first and that Matthew and Luke drew from Mark. It never made sense to me that there would be glaring differences between the texts when they had copies of Mark (or the imaginary Q document) at their disposal. Anyway, this guy makes a good argument for the order of the gospels being exactly what the early church fathers claimed. I think modern evangelical scholarship has been hijacked by secular educators with an agenda.

[@dumbidols]

As a protestant that loves the church fathers, I always believed them when they said Matthew was first. Papius was like a journalist interviewing those who were still alive. He was first century. He says Matthew is first. Why should I doubt that? Scholars are so speculative. They say things like "oh, that apostle couldnt have written that because he doesnt use that vocabulary." Bullocks. Bro, if you took my writing samples across decades of my life, talking to different people in different contexts, youd get scholars saying "He would never say Bro, or Bullocks. Thats not his vocabulary." Its such trash. Believe the best sources.

[@hesedagape6122]

My exact argument which got me thrown out of class for disruption

[@valharris3164]

Enjoyed Dr Black very much. Thanks for bringing others with different perspectives into the conversations.

[@richardsmith2289]

It has seemed to me for some time that Matthew, being a government official - sort of, was probably fluent and literate in Aramaic, Greek, Latin, and probably Hebrew yet we hear almost nothing from him in the gospels. I think, just as Judas was the treasurer, Matthew was the secretary and was keeping records constantly. So this is a very interesting video to me.

[@kimwilson2514]

You are right, and as every mom knows if you are recording history there are almost no photos of you. He wrote about what happened, not his own story or feelings or thoughts.

[@hesedagape6122]

@@kimwilson2514 photographer in the photo. lol

[@GordonGartrell27]

Really good stuff. Thanks for your work. I’m convinced (although not dogmatic) that the entire NT was completed prior to A.D. 70. So many books, so little time.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

Since they all ended w/ the crucifixion and resurrection, and not a lot of information after, it would make sense that they were written in the apostle's lifetime and soon after Christ's death, when all that Jesus was teaching was coming together for them.

[@hesedagape6122]

I needed this 3 years ago. Wonderful stuff

[@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah]

This was an awesome video. Thanks for making this. "Theophilus" seems to address the reader as a friend of God, doesn't seem to be written to a specific man. I know when I write a long essay to someone (much shorter Gospel According To Luke) it is usually with the intention of applying it elsewhere to be shared with others, so it's possible that Luke originally wrote to one man but chose to write in full to share with others, and the man's name could've been replaced with "Theophilus"; but more likely it was written to a broad audience. It is clear Luke did large scale preparation which is unlikely for a writing to one man. The Fourfold Gospel Theory makes enough sense. The main reason one would think Mathew is dependent on Mark is because of the similar quotes, but in Jewish learning of Torah the standard was to memorize, so it makes absolute easy sense that the Twelve would have memorized Messiah's teachings so that we should expect the quote to match with no need for dependence between documents. Now that I've seen the entire video, I definitely find this theory far more compelling than the standard conjecture. There is manuscript evidence which suggests that one of the Passovers in Gospel According To John was originally unnamed, because "Passover" has been found in the margins and may have slipped in later from a marginal note. John is a very important account, and it's obvious he intentionally wrote it to supplement and clarify and to offer Christology as Theology. I still need to look into tradition that John was written in the 90s, because I'm under the impression that Revelation was written early enough to warn Christian-Jews about the destruction of the Temple and Siege Of Jurasalem in 70AD. I really appreciate the addressing of Hebrew Mathew hypothesis. I still find it unlikely to write the first writing about the Jewish Messiah to Jews but write it in Hebrew. We could easily expect, considering the persecution of "Judaizers", that Hebrew Mathew may have been suppressed. Personally, based on insight offered by Nehemia Gordon, I think Shem Tov Hebrew Mathew likely is handed down from an original Hebrew Mathew through transcriptions; Mathew as author does not state that Yeshua(Jesus) is Messiah, but he does quote others saying it, and this would make sense that Mathew would not want to claim Yeshua is Messiah but would want to evidence it. Then when Mathew put it into Greek, he would have wanted Gentiles to be able to clearly understand that Yeshua Is Messiah, so he would have added blatant statements as author for the sake of the Gentile audience. Nehemia Gordon has just begun a full assessment of Shem Tov Hebrew Mathew (and the other manuscripts which are of the same transcription branch) so we may be better able to assess the matter a few years from now. Shalom Matt. Thanks again.

[@mkshffr4936]

Dr. Black's ideas are very compelling. I like the fact that he goes back to analyze the fathers writings directly.

[@YardenJZ]

One thing that has always made me feel that Matthew wrote in a Semitic language is Matthew 1:21. My native language is Hebrew. In Hebrew, that verse makes perfect sense because the similarity between Jesus' name and the following phrase is obvious, unmistakeable and does not require an explanation. I wonder how much sense that would make in Greek without an explanation (which unlike verse 23 is not provided)?

[@hesedagape6122]

I wish I had a Hebrew New Testament

[@hesedagape6122]

Can you quote it in Hebrew, please

[@CaseTheCritic]

Love the description of yourself when Dr. Black comes on screen!

[@abigailgrace8160]

Dude- you're awesome for providing this content- much appreciated!

[@Grillenheimer]

Dude! :29 That's Twin Twist!!! Loved the Jumpstarters. You must not have had much of an imagination as a kid... 😜

[@jezzathemofo9238]

Love this video thank you Dr. David Alan Black

[@jeremebrewer6763]

Great video! Thanks for all the hard work and preparation you put into your videos.

[@joshuakunchandy8884]

WOW, Knowledge bombs after knowledge bombs.

[@BogeyCDogRosey]

I always figured John came to be because John was an Apostle and eye witness who people felt this was the last chance to get an eye witness account. Also by the time of John the proto-Gnostics had began to appear. That’s why John focuses again and again on the real flesh and real blood of the truly God truly man Christ Jesus our Savior and Lord.

[@rmoss42]

Fascinating stuff. Almost makes me want to learn koine Greek and Latin so I can examine these ideas myself.

[@brianwinters5434]

I speak English as my first language spanish as my second. I am comfortable in latin very good in greek hebrew to study and this man humbles me in terms of understanding.

[@SDsc0rch]

FANTASTIC episode I'm extremely interested in reading Dr Black's book!

[@edwalshsr.8175]

Hey Matt, thank you! Your videos have definitely expanded my knowing of my faith. And i do have a question for you, what are your feelings about holy spirits gifts? As in speaking in tongues and performing miracles. What is your take on those things? Just a newish follower of Christ asking questions

[@LouiseSampsonite]

Hey that guy wrote my husband’s Greek textbook!

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

That's an excellent Greek textbook by the way.

[@johnkeefer8760]

Lol I didn’t realize it myself until I looked him up after the interview and saw my Greek book pop up

[@4dayweekend879]

wow!! i have learned so much this morning and have a lot more questions. thanks Matt.

[@helgeevensen856]

a super-interesting interview... when talking about "links" between the books of the NT, as to the order of the books, the "Matthean priority" perspective becomes even more interesting, for then the "Hebrew styled" Matthew Gospel becomes a very appropriate link from the OT to the NT, with all it's "semitisms" and Hebrew writing style and expressions... it's the perfect link from the "old" to the "new"... just like we have it in our bibles... and already from the first chapter, Matthew has a striking Jewish/Hebraic flavor, starting with the "the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham...." and "...Isaac, Jacob..." etc., and "carrying away into Babylon,... Joseph thou son of David,... they shall call his name Emmanuel,... Bethlehem of Judaea,... King of the Jews,..." etc., followed by all the direct quotations from the OT, and the scenario of Joseph and Mary and Joseph's initial "concern" at the news of Mary's pregnancy not to offend Jewish law and society, and lines like: "flee into Egypt,... Out of Egypt have I called my son", etc.,... --- in contrast, the Lukan Gospel starts out with a fully "Greek styled" passage (vv.1-4), though later in ch.1 it becomes very Jewish too,... but with the Markan Gospel, we are introduced to "the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God".... -- although the complete NT consists in Jewish documents - more or less, in various ways - it's hard to disregard that, in the "traditional" canon order, the most "Hebraic" Gospel record could be seen as a "bridge" from the "old" to the "new", and thus, in a sense, "the Gospel according to Matthew" is, in part, the "continuation" of "The law and the prophets [which were] until John (the baptist)" (Luke 16.16) ....

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

This is a very compelling argument. I don't know much about this at all, but the narrative is much more cohesive in my mind in this hypothesis. Will have to do more research.

[@brianingram4709]

Tradition has Matthew was the first to be written which I hold to, However, Mark gospel as Dr. Black was a record of Peter teaching. Now Peter was head of the Apostles as such in the early years when all the apostles were together he naturally was the one that got up to preach to the crowd (Acts 2:14-42) Taking this into account part of his oral preaching could form a foundation to the other Gospel accounts, maybe this is what modern biblical scholarship has picked up but it comes to the wrong conclusion with their Markan priority..

[@danielblakeney7575]

This is one of the most awesome videos there is

[@lupezuniga1]

Wow I an listen to you guys all day Dr Black is soo smart .... love this info

[@ravissary79]

I've been thinking for a long time that Matthew makes the most sense first, but proof is hard to come by... I more or less abandoned this old saw because it just didn't seem worth fighting over. I think the markan priority theory is rooted in evolutionary theory, small to great, simple to complex, but Mark doesn't feel like an egg, it's too pointed... it's instead elegant, edited... brief, not nascent, but mature and specialized.

[@AlexanderosD]

I enjoyed your "transformable" usage of your transformers for two different analogies!

[@kylemyers971]

Bro we've been waiting TWO MONTHS for the second Catholic theologian video. What gives?

[@IndianaJoe0321]

... if there won't be a Part 2, please -- just let us know.

[@rayzas4885]

Corona virus

[@deezynar]

Makes perfect sense. And he is very down to earth, which it makes listening to him a pleasure.

[@wesleyrm76]

Thanks for the Brigham Young reference. Makes me chuckle.

[@ryandiemert3683]

I’m pretty new to this channel, and I’ve noticed this inside joke about Matt’s mom commenting on his videos. Where did this start lol?

[@bigredj87]

Ryan Diemert Hey Matt’s mom! I like how you’re trying to disguise your identity here!

[@ryandiemert3683]

Bruh... I just want to know where that joke came from haha

[@bigredj87]

I can’t believe Matt’s Mom replied to me!!!!!

[@Adamborries]

I'm not sure how far back it started, but comes from Matt himself. He often jokes (on KZbin, the NDQ podcast, Twitter, etc) that he doesn't really have any followers, just a very dedicated mom with an army of fake accounts.

[@kneelingcatholic]

Excellent, Professor Black!

[@DF_UniatePapist]

“There is complete unanimity among the fathers in regards to Matthean priority.” There is also complete unanimity among the fathers in regards to baptismal regeneration. I would be very interested to hear whether the Doctor affirms baptismal regeneration.

[@elijahharris3936]

I would be very interested on hearing this guy’s perspective on the arguments for the early date for John (pre-70AD destruction for Jerusalem) such as references to architecture and locations that would no longer exist post 70AD. I heard the discussion raised last year on the white horse inn podcast.

[@linusstrang-c7k]

That wouldn't convince me. Why wouldn't John just remember architecture and locations that no longer existed post-70? No, the better evidence is that he does not mention the destruction of the Temple, nor does any New Testament writer, and it would have not only confirmed the Olivet Discourse prophecies (which the Gospel of John did not contain), but validated the significance of Jesus arriving on the stage when he did. It is Sherlock Holmes's "dog that didn't bark."

[@nikostheater]

In The Orthodox Church we say “ the Gospel according to Mark etc.” Κατά Ματθαιον, κατα Μάρκον, Κατα Λουκάν, κατα Ιωάννην. The professor is right.

[@1sanitat1]

I feel like Markian primacy is based on a single presupposition: the shortest must be the first. Even though the traditional view that Mark was abrdiged version of Matthew makes as much sense imo

[@1sanitat1]

Also, the late dates for gospels is based on the presupposition that Christ could have NOT predicted the fall of the (second) temple. Even though when He talked about it he referred to His Body, not necessarily to the temple in Jerusalem.

[@logosveritas6065]

THM it's available on Amazon for $4.99 on Kindle. Thanks for the recommendation! I'm looking forward to diving into Dr. Black's book.

[@linaso9739]

Very interesting discussion. Thank you for this video!

[@chamomiletea9562]

And here all this time I thought I was so smart for knowing that Mark came first. Fascinating food for thought.

[@sheilabarron5532]

I've only been reading the Bible for almost 29 months and I was watching something on You Tube and it said Mark was before Matthew heck I wasn't even there I was still in the Old Testament and when I heard it I just yelled No It Isn't I kinda got upset but I didn't understand why so anyway Thank ya for the insight ✌❤

[@DaleBoyce2012]

This is very helpful. Thank you so much for posting this interview. I think he is probably right about this hypothesis. I personally believe in an earlier date for John because of chapter 21. I think the occasion for John writing is to encourage a wounded church following the martyrdom of Peter around 64. He seems to be telling us that Peter's death is further proof of the sovereignty of Jesus and should serve to encourage us. I know the tradition for a much later date, but reading through John you are struck that these geographical references and even the temple are all still accessible. Not a hint of the destruction in 70. In terms of 'Q' John claims to be an eye-witness of the events he wrote about. And we know his testimony is true.

[@IamGrimalkin]

If by the geographical references you mean the sheep gate and Pool of Bethesda , your information is out of date. Those places have been found and still exist, they were not destroyed in the siege of Jerusalem. Interesting idea Peter's martyrdom being something recent though, I never thought about that, is there anything else in the gospel about Peter which gives you that impression or just the final chapter?

[@DaleBoyce2012]

@@IamGrimalkin I'm thinking about the temple, Sychar, Cana, Nazareth, etc. Chapter 20 feels like the end of the book. Making the last pericope stick out as if added later.

[@DaleBoyce2012]

@@IamGrimalkin John regularly turns to his audience to explain some detail that might be lost to history (Jews have no dealings with Samaritans) but never says (Jesus said this because the temple was still standing). Doesn't prove anything, just feels like Titus hasn't arrived yet.

[@IamGrimalkin]

@@DaleBoyce2012 Why would places in Galilee like Cana be damaged by the siege of Jerusalem? Chapter 20 never really felt like the end of the book to me but it's something to think about when looking over john in the future I guess.

[@DrWrapperband]

It wasn't even originally a book.

[@oneforall549]

That was just awesome!! Thank you so much for this video! So interesting and deep! Loved it Praise Jesus for all 4 accounts!!!!!

[@chaplainpaul5326]

Simply mind blowing. I had to go right out and buy the book.

[@stephenslater412]

Carsten Peter Thiede in his Eyewitness to Jesus proved the Mathew account being the oldest gospel and the Magdalen papyrus now at Oxford university probably being an original fragment of Mathew's eyewitness account.He also argued that John was written before the fall of Jerusalem ( AD 70) as its accounts of local landmarks which were destroyed in AD 70 are described in the present tense.

[@treythethird3487]

This one is so fascinating the semitism’s and language translations and transmission really interest me

[@cosmingcosma]

Great stuff! Thank you!

[@lightningdude2005]

Dr. Andreas Kostenberger has also said that John serves to supplement the synoptic gospels.

[@hoponpop3330]

Mark’s account of the Transfiguration is really telling . He admits what he said to Jesus was odd because he was afraid . That’s something only a first person account would know. Who wouldn’t be petrified under those conditions .

[@englishlearningcenter1470]

This is so awesome!! What a great priviledge to be part of this project! Thank you Matt and thank you Dr. David Alan Black!! By the way, at Catholic Mass we announce the Gospel as Dr. Black says, from the Gospel according to (John, Mark, Mathew or Luke). The more I study the more Catholic I become.

[@raymondschneider5217]

Dag gum it, I wish I was (nearly) as smart as y'all; maybe, I'd understand better! LOVE the channel and your content. Y'all Be Safe!

[@erichodge567]

"...this one looks like he played center for, like, Brigham Young basketball..." I'm dyin', I swear it, I'm dyin'...

[@lukethek2551]

Hey matt! I haven't looked too much into this topic, but I am interested in hearing from both sides. I am thinking of picking up Dr. Black's book, and another resource from the opposing perspective of Mark being first. Is there a title that you would consider the antithesis to Dr. Black's book?

[@tjackharrison]

Thanks man! Very edifying. Ever come up to Gardiner, MT btw?

[@solonicfeatures]

20:13 Unless I'm misunderstanding, this is completely and totally incorrect. There are tons and tons of quotes from the 2nd-4th century fathers of mark.

[@matthewweston643]

Catholic argument: IF Mark was first. IF Matthew & Luke copied Mark. Why? Because. (As Dr. Black says). Mark was simply writing down the stories of Peter. Peter was obviously the leader of the Apostles. Arguably the leader of Christ's Holy Church on Earth. But certainly the First Among Equals at least. The other Gospel writers would naturally copy the words of the Leader of the Church. If Mark was first that makes sense to me. I don't understand why they would copy Mark otherwise. Now, personally, I don't believe that. I respect the knowledge of the early Church Fathers. They say Matthew was first. I trust them more than 19th Century Germans. But yes, I do think Mark is simply Peter's words written down. Matthew being first would explain why the Church used his phrasing in Her Liturgy. Matt, thank you for this. I greatly appreciate it. I'm sure you will get some flack from anti-catholics as this theory Dr. Black espoused will be viewed as too Catholic. I appreciate your curiosity. I'll order Dr. Black's book.

[@GaryM260]

Probably is a very safe bet that 99 percent of people are actually "parroting" what they have heard about the Catholic church rather than taking a deep dive into the study of history and drawing there own conclusions , anyway Dr. Black has given me a lot to think about....great video guest !

[@englishlearningcenter1470]

@Ναζωραῖος I respect your point of view, but as a committed Catholic, I read a lot from the Early Church Fathers and their writings match catholic teachings. Most of the writings we read have to do with Early Church Fathers writing against heresies that existed around the first, second, third and fourth centuries.

[@hesedagape6122]

You have heard of the Ravv Ya'akov HaNotzrim brother of the Ravv Yahoshuah HaNotzrim HaMasshiah who was head of the Jerusalem Church? When did Ravv Shimon Ben Yahohanneh HaKephah gain supremacy over him? Some Roman Catholic doctrines like Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, Chastity of Joseph all serve one purpose. To promote the See of Rome over that of Jerusalem. If James the Brother of Jesus is a blood brother of Christ and is a son of Mary too then you have to concede his position as the first among the Apostles. 🤣🤣🤣

[@matthewweston643]

@@hesedagape6122 respectfully, I'd point you to the protoevangeliam of James. It was not, absolutely not, the common understanding of the early Church that James was the son of Mary. Now, of course the PoJ isn't Scripture. Granted. But it was widely quoted and highly respected. It is a good example of the oral history of the early Church. Second. Count up the references to "Peter and the Apostles", "Peter and the 12", etc .in the Gospels. Anyone who denies a special role for Peter is either not reading the Gospels or not reading them with open eyes. Clearly Peter had some kind of leadership when he was alive. Nothing against "Old Camel Knees" James is a great Saint and Martyr. And a close relative to Our Lord. Probably a son of Joseph. But no. There is no early Church argument that he was the leader of the Holy Church. That was speculated Centuries later by our German friends. I'll trust Holy Scripture and Tradition thank you.

[@hesedagape6122]

@@matthewweston643 I dont think St Paul was a German or?

[@bouseuxlatache4140]

Mat, it was a great talk.

[@markwong6548]

Acts 8:31 Always helps when you have a teacher to explain it.

[@stjoelawyer]

An interesting point that was made, "the gospel according to Matthew or Mark or Luke or John." Is how Roman Catholics introduce the gospel at Sunday mass.

[@321Phinney]

Matt - random question, what kid KZbin channel do you like best for bible lessons?

[@Adamborries]

Seconded!

[@jonathanstensberg]

When you realize that the fields of Biblical criticism have been first Protestants explicitly trying to undermine the Catholic Church, then liberal Protestants explicitly trying to undermine generally traditional Christianity, then Atheists explicitly trying to undermine general Christianity, you will naturally be drawn to the suspicion that that Catholic Church was right about a lot of this stuff all along.

[@brysonstevens1431]

"To be deep in history is to cease to be a protestant" -St. John Henry Newman (Anglican vicar turned Catholic)

[@hesedagape6122]

Roman Catholic Church became a separate denomination in AD1054. At the time period only the Orthodox Catholic Church existed. No Roman Catholic Church.

[@FlamenLion]

Dear Mat, If you ever get bored (as if you're not already doing a ton of great stuff), would you consider another "Nuts and Bolts" video(s) on the timeline of the authorship of the books of the Bible. The most obvious books to mention are the Gospels, and the sequence and dates of when they were written. However, I've always heard many if not all of the Epistles were written before the Gospels. So who had what writings already floating around when the gospels were written? If Luke sought to make an ordered account of the life of Jesus, then is it possible that he had a copy of Mark or Matthew to reference? But I would also like to know about how the historic books and the prophets mesh together. Many of the historic books seem to be a more-or-less contemporary account while Chronicles seems to be a much later account. So who wrote them? And while the events of Kings are going on, there's a bunch of prophets doing their thing. Are the prophets also a contemporary account, or were they transcribed into writing much later after the fact? Then there's the fun ones: Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Esther, Ruth, who wrote all those and when? If Moses actually wrote the Torah, did that happen all at Mt. Sinai or did that happen while they were walking around?

[@wesleyscoggins1303]

I learned Greek with Dr. Black!

[@josiahbates7936]

I had that transformer!!! Same problem! We had the instructions, I just refused to use them 😂😂😂

[@hop6965]

Great vid!

[@rosbyduhart5884]

Can you do a post on what order pauls letters were written in .....chronological that is. Thx ahead of time.