Mustang Shelby GT350R vs Camaro ZL1 - Rivalry | Everyday Driver TV Season 2

[@RPDpwng15]

Every time I watch one of these videos I am instantly on autotrader afterwards.

[@BillyBob-gy7di]

Haha me too

[@gerrydutch3589]

Haha same. Looking at trying to trade my 5.0 for one.

[@dieselforge4181]

Looking at cars I can't afford. But the fantasy is nice.

[@RB25luv]

Gerry Dutch worst mistake to trade in ur 5.0 reliability to 5.2vodoo engine

[@SkyFoxMarine]

@@dieselforge4181 I've been window shopping since I saw my first car magazine 😂

[@_ryukyuanhalfie_]

I own a GT350 and I'm in love with it, but man I love the ZL1 & ZL1 1LE... Ford and GM knocked it out of the park with both these cars.

[@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK]

Ur in love with one of the slowest Muscle cars ever produced? Dude, its makes like no TQ. TQ is what makes a muscle car fun. Its has virtually none!

[@hittingreens5646]

@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK lol 429 lb ft of torque.....on a NA engine. You must just look at numbers and not understand how a NA motor feels vs a power adder

[@_ryukyuanhalfie_]

@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK Yeah I am in love with it. Slow in what terms? On the drag strip?

[@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK]

@@_ryukyuanhalfie_ On the street

[@InuranusBrokoff]

@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK One of the slowest muscle cars ever produced? You're drunk...

[@Drill_Time]

Never realized how good that supercharger whine sounded on the ZL1.

[@marcanthony9659]

Damn i didn't even hear it 😕

[@axeandace7728]

@@marcanthony9659 lol what bro its super noticeable tho 💀💀

[@seymonwhite]

like top gun! lol

[@bricklayerlzdp9825]

Wait till you change the intake

[@stevejones6802]

ya so lets get this straight, the ZL1 is cheaper, faster and more comfortable. Mustang WINS! LOL

[@dumyjobby]

That GT 350r will be a future classic. It has everything the car nut wants

[@markj2838]

I'm a Camaro guy, but that flat plane 5.2 is pretty sinister.. love the mustang too...

[@pete4261]

So will the camaro zl1 1le

[@EVsSuck777]

Pete Well, the Camaro uses a a regular cross plane crank engine compared to the GT350’s exotic flat plane crank engine..

[@zLemiWinksz]

The camaro is still a better performing car

[@EVsSuck777]

Olivier Desjardins We’re talking about future classics, not better performers. 60’s Mustangs are more sought after classic cars than 60’s Camaro’s. So much so that classic Mustangs are worth hundreds of thousands more than Camaro’s. It will be the same situation in 50 years. Mustangs just make better classics.

[@BryanOnofre]

Wow. I still want a GT350, the sound is still the best!

[@timleung9726]

I agree! Bought my 2020 GT350 back in February and the exhaust in sportsmode is music to the ears. Not to mention, it turns heads too. lol

[@mont7481]

Yes it does and always has. Dodge comes close, but Ford has it best in the exhaust sound dept. All the way back when. Just listen to the bullit mustang during the chase scene in the movie Bullit with Steve McQueen

[@exothermal.sprocket]

The last special sounding Mustang? 03-04 Terminator. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmjRaZ2ei7RqbpY

[@mikestanly749]

sound good, there still ford junk , piston slap $60,000 problems.google it if ya want, all you need is G.M. anything drof just wastin money. ill take Pontiac, cam, corvette they sound awesome, have gr8 torque drive great and are reliable!!!!!!!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@mikestanly749 So glad you convinced so many people with that rousing list of information, also known as logical fallacies.

[@shatz72]

Great review of both cars gentlemen...I can only speak for my own experience owning my 2017 ZL1 but I still absolutely love the car...it’s a sleeper for sure as most people on the road have no clue how much power it makes. It’s intoxicating how fast it really is and depending on my mood I can drive like Mrs. Daisy or on the other hand I can drive like Mad Max. Btw I have had experience taking it to the race track and all I can say is it can keep up and handle with the best of other exotics. Bottom line is the car has surpassed my expectations and I plan on keeping her for a long time. Nothing against the Stang but my biased vote goes the ZL1.

[@fmartin59]

Great that you’re enjoying the car. Motortrend actually had an article where the Camaro beat out official super cars.

[@kaighSea]

Sleeper 😂😂😂😂

[@EverydayDriver]

We're enjoying bringing these past TV episodes to KZbin. Keep in mind this was before the GT500 was even revealed.

[@ssllhh100]

i wonder how the base 4 cyl compare ? less weight over the nose both with the 10 speed all the time on boost, both have a track pack, if you want to see the future of the big boys look at the small ones, they will need to go turbo, maybe a 48v hybrid assist, it will start with the 4 pot turbo, small twin turbo v8 ? they will get the DCT ... IF they survive

[@KevinYoung1]

There are rumors that the GT350 will not be part of Ford's line-up in 2021. Would like to hear your thoughts on this?

[@hakankocer6386]

@@ssllhh100 DCT will never last in the hands of people that buy these...10 speed is here for the long run.

[@ssllhh100]

@@hakankocer6386 not for the small cars, for the big boys, the GT500 have one, the new corvette ... it will be in the next one for sure

[@SPECIESUNKN0WN]

This is an apples to oranges comparison, and as such any conclusion will be inevitably be skewed. Amature hour.

[@LS2GTO60]

I love my ZL1. Probably will keep it forever.

[@dallasfrost1996]

and you should! its one of the best cars you could honestly have!

[@dr.andrewmarone8197]

Love mine too!

[@wykydytron]

Oh i hope to get one in future, so far RS will have to do since I live on in Europe where even RS models are crazy expensive compared to US pricing.

[@austindick3044]

The mustang's are faster tho. Always been

[@AnkhsZL1]

Same here

[@StephenMorganCanada]

Always loved Ford’s special engine for a special car ethos. Makes the “powered by Ford” badge have meaning.

[@jasonamerica7618]

Jerry Olson that comment is a very good representation of the person that wrote it. HP per cubic inch. Ford is crushing all the domestics

[@CoyoteFTW]

@Jerry Olson - Get out of here Chinese Motors fanboy

[@HumanXtinction]

@Jerry Olson do you feel better now?...

[@topkek7003]

Jason America power to weight > power to displacement

[@johnpatillo5203]

Ima diehard ford man since i saw my first 302 but i respect what chevy and mopar bring to the table long live american muscle

[@hyden1532]

Great episode guys. I bought a '19 ZL1 over a GT350 because it was going to be my daily driver. I liked that the car could be "tame" as you stated but also "ripe your head off" if you want it to. Both are amazing cars. I would rank them 1a and 1b, a virtual tie

[@tcr2237]

Hyden agree man. I own a 350 and love the ZL1 as well. Forget that 1 brand loyalty! These cars are BAD ASS!

[@patrickbronson437]

Love your comment. 🤘🏼🇺🇸❤️

[@Race_Ready_1320]

Virus world exactly. I’ve driven both and the visual out of the front is practically the same. I’ve never had a problem seeing out of my camaro.

[@psysurendhar9844]

But the point is which one you will name in 1a Coz that is imp😂😂😂

[@Gchang54]

@@layne4376 visibility isn't even that bad

[@dream-_weaver4769]

My GTs had me checking on my life insurance policies. Drove the cameros and never experienced a car that grabbed the road in and out of a corner like them. GM nailed it!

[@Smllc22318]

Well then you’re a bad driver.

[@lbb-ridge482]

@@Smllc22318 😆 Nah... Those Camaros were made for cornering.. Mine kills it on the twisties.. Love that 350r though.. Nothing sounds like it!

[@BryanFennell-w7y]

@@Smllc22318wrong. The alpha platforms handling is superior.

[@jeffpatchell6413]

SHELBY!!! There is nothing on the road that sounds like a GT350R

[@flyboyu777]

NOTHING. All others wish they made that sound. . . . .

[@Billium632]

I

[@gregs909]

That echo through those canyons had to be epic!

[@davidcerce]

I would agree that flat plane crank sounds incredible but the ZL1 in track mode is an unbelievable beast! If this test included track mode I think their reactions and opinions would be drastically different.

[@raionshishi8290]

I don't think it would change much.

[@ghuff31]

possibly, but how many of these cars do you think are going to see a track? I went with the regular 350 for that reason.

[@Kev2980]

@@ghuff31 alot lol, I track my car and there's alot of 6gen camaros all the time. Most affordable way to beat cars 2 or 3 times their price

[@Kev2980]

@@raionshishi8290 nah track mode stiffens the suspension by quite a bit, I can feel it in my teeth everytime I go over a crack or a rock. Sport mode is just barely more stiff than touring mode for when you want to hit that highway turn on ramp a little harder than normal.

[@huehuehue-x3c]

@@ghuff31 this is a joke, right? the ZL1 is 16 seconds faster than the GT350R around the nurburgring.

[@theroadahead415]

I have a 1LE. You should have tried track mode on that smooth road. The suspension in track mode feels way more athletic then sport.

[@Kev2980]

Track mode makes me feel like my teeth are about to get yanked out on every pebble lol

[@alfrede.neuman8611]

Why are we comparing the GT350R to the ZL1? The GT350R's direct competitor was the Z/28. The GT500 was always the direct competitor to the ZL1.

[@darkstars3247]

Because of price GT350 and ZL1 are identical in price that’s why

[@enflamedpapaya8592]

Gt500 was not revealed at the time this episode was filmed

[@darkstars3247]

@ Gt350 and ZL1 is still a fair comparison

[@enflamedpapaya8592]

@ I agree, but zl1 easily wins straight line performance

[@darkstars3247]

@@enflamedpapaya8592 of course in my opinion best bang for your buck

[@jasongielish]

I get so tired of hearing that reviewers want a “more engaging” more violent experience but then get the non track version to review. Then they review the track edition and complain it doesn’t ride nice. Gtfo

[@peshlakai21]

I guess comfort/control is a bad thing for the reviewers? That’s why so many Mustangs end up in the ditch or plummeting into crowds.

[@Kev2980]

Complains that the suspension doesn't give feedback, but doesn't put the track orientated car in track mode

[@AllIsWell_22]

Just wish you could get your hands on a 'Manual' ZL1 1LE. The car is so different to the regular ZL1. The ZL1 1LE is a living legend that needs to get some air time with you guys.

[@saamtech]

totally agreed, this was not a fair comparison. Automatic vs Manual, R vs regular ZL1, and they put their basis on price which is also not fair!

[@Fee.1]

Sam Honarvar they put their basis? What?

[@mrjjthor]

I agree. I've owned both and they are very different in personality. I can never go back to a base Zl1 after having owned a zl1 1le.

[@Glasseyed86]

Yep. It’s in another league

[@thattallassnikka]

The Camaro, Mustang and Challenger are all equally dope to me. I just want to have a chance to own at least one. Idgaf which one it is 😩😩😩

[@camarochris78]

Metro Boomin bro I brought a 17 2SS fifty and I will tell that car gets a ton of looks.

[@Cosmic_Deity]

I really want the 2021 Mustang mach 1

[@Eternalsfan]

cosmic deity Can’t imagine the devastating price of the car as well as the insurance lol.

[@camarochris78]

Phil insurance will not be bad. Also as far as price it’s mostly appearance.

[@carldinebando4118]

@You're not a victim, Just another failure The Challenger

[@blakerh]

I have a 2019 GT350. The engine noise is so great. And the handling is awesome. Best car you can buy for under 65k.

[@carldinebando4118]

Congrats

[@sage11x]

I’m ok with a 400hp “gentleman’s” agreement. Maybe then ford or Chevy will design a car that doesn’t weigh 2 tons.

[@Gltokensp06]

The Ford GT has entered the chat...

[@sage11x]

Rinzler quick edit here: An affordable car that doesn’t weigh 2 tons.

[@cadsux]

Do German, Italian, Japanese or Korean automakers make "affordable" 400 hp, 2+2 sporty cars that don't weight 4000 lbs or so? Nope. Well, maybe if you buy really used ones. Heck, just get a Mustang GT or Camaro SS. They're 3700 lbs.

[@efafe4972]

Light with moderate power is honestly the way to go. I think the main problem is the amount people are expecting to get in terms of amenities and safety.

[@allensaunders449]

I'm not ok with a 400hp gentlemans agreement put in what you want. Alot performance cars are heavy. Ferraris are not light,lambos,astons, bugattis

[@mr.v6392]

This is strictly my opinion but the GT350 is just more special than the ZL1. The engine and the sounds it makes is absolutely amazing!

[@Medium-RareSteak]

No doubt about that, the flatplane in it is wicked!

[@Jestraben]

I actually like both cars. I shopped them both and bought the 350. The sound and the way it revs just won me over. The Camaro is a good car, but I didn't like the sight lines and a few other things. But that being said I'm loving my 350, who needs a sound system when you can hear that flat plane scream. Two American sports cars that can compete with some of the best in the world and be alot more affordable. Well done GM and Ford!

[@dahe8883]

These videos, of which there are many, prove one thing, time after time. This car extinguishes its flaws with the driving experience. It's a mechanical drug for the driving experience. If you don't want that experience, full time, every time, you'll choose something else.

[@Shane-Singleton]

I daily a ZL1 with the 6-spd manual and I love the thing. Really my only complaint, as hit upon in this video as well, is that it's not scary enough. It's got incredible performance but it's so "civilized" that it's hard to really feel it until you see the speed on the citation you just received. If I had to purchase it again i'd still pick the camaro over the mustang but it's not due to believing the camaro is necessarily a better car for the same cash. For me it just comes down to personal preference in styling.

[@gryphon123456]

The GT 350 is going away in 2021 and that makes me so sad. This is the first Mustang that I would really lust after as a driver and manual Enthusiast. the sound is pure magic! and 8200 red line!!! All the buffet a driver could enjoy...

[@twany442]

The new Mustang will be here in 2022 and I'm quite sure that a new GT350R will fallow.

[@FoMoCo20]

The last year of production for the GT350 is actually 2020 and I don’t believe Ford will be making another one anytime soon. They have the GT500 now and models like the Mach 1 are rumoured to be coming out in 2021/22. I own an ‘18 GT350R and I hope they’re done with them, they’re rare and I love that about them on top of the obvious. Haha!!!

[@tcr2237]

FoMoCo20 agree! 2017 350 with 12k miles. She is my tail of the dragon baby! I don’t want this to become a “GT” were everyone owns one.

[@raionshishi8290]

@@tcr2237 Agreed, this is a true Halo car for history, it will be an ultimate classic. There is no other car out there like it.

[@timleung9726]

Glad I got my 2020 GT350 earlier this year! It's all blacked out from the factory. Can't get enough of the exhaust sounds.

[@Kraziken0]

I have a GT350. And after reading all the performance aspects of the Camaro ZL1, I had to go try one. I tried one in this exact same package. ZL1 10 speed. They talk about the theater in this review. And for sure, I love my GT350 for that. Even though the ZL1 is no doubt faster. I found the GT350 more fun. The ZL1 is far more livable daily in ride comfort. I think a long road trip, the Camaro is far superior. The 1LE package I've heard is really not livable in daily comfort. I may need to try the ZL1 in manual. But for the most part. I walked away happy with my GT350, yet I can find no fault for anyone who would pick the Camaro either. I would like to try a GT500. I think that would be interesting as well. If you are a manual snob like me, it is going to be hard to tear me away from the 350. The combination of high redline and the 6 speed it is heavenly to drive.

[@drepop803]

yes im a manual slob lol. never purchased an auto trans car. although that C8 is looking real good for my future purchase but gt350/R is my current attainable dream car. high revving, NA screaming motor, and manual gearbox. love it.

[@elmcitymassmedia4211]

This was the perfect comment !!!

[@NafaratMiyaMiya]

I couldn't agree more! Mark my words 20 years from now ... a low mileage GT350R will be selling for $120,000 as we all will be wishing to have that old school charm of a proper drivers car in manual with an exotic exhaust note

[@joshh1377]

I have a GT350 also. Gave the ZL1 a try and it was awesome. But the GT350 has a special feel, some sort of connection. I just didn’t get that in the ZL1. My GT350 is actually supercharged and has about 900HP, with res deletes so the sound and power are visceral. Beyond the power though, the 350 just has an “it” factor. Ford is putting the 350 in the vault now with the 500 out. I think the 500 blows it away performance wise. But I haven’t heard a lot of reviews talking about the “it” to the 500...I think the 350s will always have that thing about them you just can’t put your finger on.

[@carldinebando4118]

@Josh H wow! Awesome! You’re lucky to afford this car 👏

[@senorpepper3405]

mustang looks better. someone said the camaro looks like a 2 door camry and i cant shake it

[@twany442]

Yes it looks like a Fisher Price toy.

[@anthonyh2540]

You are both higher than a kite

[@Goontrader2]

I wish they reviewed the 1le. I drove one yesterday, it made me fall in love with driving again..... just fantastic!

[@1119-w3u]

Only Dodge makes muscles cars in 2020. Ford and Chevy definitely evolved into sports cars.

[@Apollo5752353]

Eh, more Pony Now

[@Isaiahkoralek123]

The 2020 she By gt500 maybe

[@krismoe2160]

Good

[@krismoe2160]

Craig Scott the laptimes of both cars compared to anything currently mopar suggests otherwise.

[@krismoe2160]

Craig Scott perhaps you think I was arguing mopars are good at anything other than drag racing?

[@Solismig002]

Am I the only one who noticed they didn’t have the ZL1 on track mode ?

[@blakebreaux6866]

They put both in sport mode

[@Solismig002]

@@blakebreaux6866 you can obviously see the mustang is on track mode and not the ZL1

[@blakebreaux6866]

@@Solismig002 where do you see that at?

[@Heavyj6]

Very first week I had my GT350 I changed the stock clutch spring to a Steeda Spring. HUGE difference for the better.

[@gummybear41283]

how do you change a clutch spring?

[@Heavyj6]

@@gummybear41283 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpe8qoyDg5p8nZo

[@k.tucker2011]

Chevy zl1: the business suit you can also box Mike Tyson in. Mustang Gt50r: Pajamas you can also do construction in. Always comfortable Action. Two different cars for two different tastes.

[@burgerbandit3646]

I wouldnt box Mike Tyson in an IronMan suit let alone a buisness suit.

[@k.tucker2011]

@@burgerbandit3646 😁👍

[@matrox]

My DD for almost 4 years now is a 17' SS Camaro 6 speed. 43k miles now. Love this car.

[@usnjumper727]

And that’s the reason why I own a GT350 LOVE IT!. Even though the Camaro its still a bad as car. Awesome video guys. Good job!

[@flyingfun879]

Both amazing cars, if only we got them on Australia 😭😭😭

[@nyplantingsgardendesigners5645]

Hey you guys have plenty of cool stuff we cannot get too

[@ayad3834]

Wait we have the zl1 camaros, dont we?

[@jasonlommen4769]

I’m a 12’ 5.0 owner. This is my 6th different mustang going all the way back to the beginning. Obviously I’m a Pony fanboy, but honestly I just like them better than Camaros. The look, feel, sound, etc. I can sure appreciate others, but I’ll never leave the Mustang platform. Great review for both cars, new sub.

[@Thesaviorsway]

Will you be getting a gt350

[@jasonlommen4769]

@@Thesaviorsway Love them, but not anytime soon. The price has gone up so much this past year. Maybe down the road a few years.

[@Thesaviorsway]

I work at a ford dealership service and hope someone brings it or lets me experience it in person or shotgun

[@hockeymann88]

The Camaro definitely looks better in black. The overall sillouette has always been nice it just gets a little weird within the sillouette and the black hides that well. The Stang looks great. My tastes have definitely changed as I've gotten older. I would have been all over the torque of the Chevy when I was younger but I really feel like the GT350 has the more exotic and therefore appealing power plant. Revs are fun and sound great.

[@pizzadough3529]

I just bought a new 2020 LT1 v8 Camaro and its amazing. Sport exhaust red brembo fronts black wheels w Satin Metallic paint. It is amazing! Great first car! Lol

[@billyrichardson3075]

I purchased a new ZL1 1LE in 2019 and I'm telling you this car is a "beast". I just sold a 1968 Camaro show car with an 1100HP engine in it and it was a beast for sure but it could never do the things this ZL1 1LE does. I've had race cars, street rods all my life and I am here to tell you this ZL1 1LE is an amazing vehicle. It is as at home on the race track as it is on the street. I love the sound of the Mustang GT350R and it appears to be an awesome car as well but I have not had one hang with me on the race track yet. If I didn't already own a ZL1 1LE I would buy one.

[@jkheslekrants]

Paul, Place the ZL1 in Track mode. You want information overload and beat you up while driving, Track will do that for you.

[@matrox]

Thats what I was thinking. Track mode is for feeling the road and bumps. I keep my SS in track mode unless on rutted city streets.

[@dond7908]

YES, two thumbs up. Having retired from a Ford dealership after 30 years and having owned a 17 GT350, great video guys. My only regret is that I didnt take the GT350 to Sebring Int raceway and thrash it around a bit before I got rid of it

[@threesondad]

I imagine the Camaro is like hiking through the Grand Canyon, it's an amazing experience you can enjoy for hours and days and never tire of it. The GT350R is like base jumping into the Grand Canyon, it's a holy-s**t event that scares you to your core and from which you need time to recover. But then you want to do it again. So I'd take the GT350R, even over the GT500, and just make sure I have a cheap daily driver.

[@CoyoteFTW]

@Lando Calrissian - n\No it doesn't, and if the camaro wins the difference isn't huge to the point of it "eating" anything. Its a drivers race stop being butt hurt because everyone prefers the GT350 over the zl1.

[@threesondad]

@Dale Walker Why would I want to do that? I don't care if some other driver can scare me on a course, I care more about MY driving experience. I also don't care about numbers, I'd rather have a car that provides a visceral experience. I drove a Nissan GTR and a 911 S back to back. That GTR was way faster than the 911, but in the GTR all I had was a sensation of moving fast and g forces. The 911 didn't feel like I was in a car at all, more like in a comfortable chair directly connected to the road. I think across the model line the Camaro has surpassed the Mustang as a track weapon, the Mustang got independent rear suspension, but along the way to becoming a global car it lost it's weight and dynamics advantage over the Camaro. The GT350 is the exception. Results from the GT500 seem to indicate it's building on the GT350. Now the lesser Mustang models need to follow suit if they want to catch the Camaro LS/SS/1LE/etc. Either way, it's a great age for pony cars any way you slice it.

[@CoyoteFTW]

Lando Calrissian - I’m not comparing numbers on a track that is unsanctioned for one! Where companies have been known to tweak their cars extensively to achieve ridiculous lap times. GM lies about a recall that killed people think they won’t lie about a shitty lap time? Please. And all the drives are done in different days with different drivers too many variables. I own a Porsche GT3RS and I never bring up the Nurburgring, makes you sound like a complete moron. That being said, the GT350 is an amazing track machine, I’ve driven one. Closest comparison we have are the motortrend head2head reviews where this Zl1 barely edged out the Mustang. You camaro guys need to get off the high horse you put yourselves on.

[@TheAow4321]

@@CoyoteFTW The ZL1 1LE beat the GT350 at Nurburgring by 16 seconds.... thats 96 car lengths... it was so bad Ford made the excuse of not running the GT500 at the Ring because "Its an American car and belongs on American tracks yadda yadda bald eagle BS"... Id say the Camaro "ate" the Mustang.

[@thisnameisnotfake517]

@@CoyoteFTW It is noticably faster than a 350 on track, and thats fine and makes sense after all it is more expensive msrp wise

[@sherwinrayan]

Gents, you’ve hit it out of the park with this one... very much in the mould of your epic M3 vs QV video. Brilliant work!

[@1993kramer]

I've been a mustang guy all my life until I made the mistake of test driving a ZL1 while shopping GT350's. I bought the ZL1, the chassis is just too good. While the new GT500 surely wins in a straight line, the 1LE ZL1 is still the better track car. Good time to be a pony car fan!

[@junnedynanca9838]

The zl1 is faster on all gears and straight line, quarter mile and zero to 60 included. Proven by professionals, common man,

[@jacobreed47]

What we all needed. A real exciting car related video during a lockdown. Not another video review from home. I get and understand why it must be done. And understand. But a real video like this is always welcome. Be safe America.

[@rau4329]

Acuravigor47 this was a TV show btw

[@hunterlinker6013]

I don't understand how 60-70 thousand dollar cars are considered affordable. Affordable to me means around 30 or maybe 40 thousand at the highest.

[@thomasmurray2293]

Lease them now.. If they have value in the next 3 or 4 years buy them if it's good for you.

[@Kev2980]

Affordable because ten years ago, a car of these caliber would only be available in cars that cost well over 150k. Even today, cars of similar performance are well over 100k. Not affordable as in cheap, but affordable as in if you're a decently paid blue collar worker, you can get your hands on one.

[@hunterlinker6013]

@@Kev2980 You know that's actually a good answer. Thanks for not being a normal internet asshole and actually making a good point.

[@normanhanna2037]

If you had a better job 60k is a gift

[@1320nav]

Todays world 60-70K is the new 30-40K if ya know what I mean

[@jasonvogelsang7034]

Gotta give ford nostalgic credit putting the 3 sharkfin led lights tribute to the 65 .. Mustang owners will understand

[@STANGm06deGT]

The 'gills'

[@draino03]

I loved watching you guys hoon in these pony cars. I still wish you had a 1LE to compare to the 350R though. Would have really enjoyed watching your thoughts on it. Have you all driven a 1LE since?

[@skynetsworld]

A comparison to a ZL1 1le would have interested me, too. I can only guess, that would have been even harder to decide.

[@brandino9000]

Or at least both manuals

[@jmm1174]

@@skynetsworld that one compares better with the Shelby GT500 w. Track package

[@huehuehue-x3c]

@@jmm1174 No it doesn't. The GT500 costs close to $100k with the carbon track package. The 1LE competes with the GT350R.

[@genotsSnor]

@@huehuehue-x3c The GT350R is going for 90-$100k I've heard.

[@Connex110]

I really wish someone would compare the GT350 to the SS 1LE...

[@jmm1174]

100% agree 👍

[@brentirwin1386]

The gt350 should go against zl1 the gt350r should be against zl1 le gezz

[@kevinhartley4521]

1LE against a GT500? NA vs a supercharged car?

[@brentirwin1386]

Well you can go gt500 with track pack against zl1 le but if it's about price and some logic the gt500 way more expensive at least in canada

[@kevinhartley4521]

If they didn’t add the dealer markup the price isn’t much different. Which is ridiculous. I own a 27 performance-pack mustang with quite a few engine and suspension mods but I still love the Camaro as well. But always like NA cars compared and boosted cars compared. Just seems more of a fair comparison either way.

[@spadethebarber8696]

Ive had both cars and im getting a zl1 again!

[@spadethebarber8696]

got a gt350 again in 2024

[@larrymartin8146]

I miss my ‘03 terminator. Nowhere near what these two cars are. Unbelievable what cars are today.

[@rickeybarnes6471]

Yes I owned a 2003 cobra for 5 years before I sold it . That was a mistake, I really enjoyed that car and now own a 2017 Gt 350 and 03 Mach 1 , enjoy them both too!

[@Siervoi-nutil]

Oooh that exhaust sound!!! I hope to get a Mustang Soon!!!

[@1revwilly]

I love both of them but if I was forced to choose just one it would be the Mustang

[@Tain950]

Wilfred Norman I agree, speed doesn’t tell the whole story here. Faster doesn’t automatically mean better. I’m sure the Mustang must be a really intoxicating experience.

[@CoyoteFTW]

@@Tain950- Despite having 100hp more the Zl1 isn't that much faster tbh, its a drivers race. Youre not going to be able to tell the difference or feel it.

[@topkek7003]

Manny Pacquiao you will feel the difference, because while it only makes a hundred more hp, it makes a shitload more torque.

[@DrivewayDemons]

Easy choice GT350. I got one for my channel Having a blast driving and making content with it!

[@aceospades7]

2:00 I always thought the mustang interior looked like it belongs in a pickup truck. This is first time I heard someone else mention it

[@TRZ0612]

The goldilock is the SS 1LE. I LOVE mine. All I added to it was the ZL1 1LE solid rear cradle bushings and you get the best of both worlds. The amazing Alpha chassis paired with the sharpness of the ZLE's rear-end without going to the track focused DSSV shocks. The GT350R is good, but if you are talking real world pricing and not MSRP, you are not touching a GT350R for anywhere close to what you can get a ZL1, ZLE for. If you look at the track times, the SS 1LE is just a tad shy of the GT350R. The ZL1 and ZL1 1LE are 1 and 2 steps above respectively to what the GT350R is.

[@ezpz4659]

ZL1 is the best. That suspension is soooo smooth on the road. it's amazing

[@curtisdickson6277]

These are the old school type reviews i loved that got paul and todd started and i am in love with this style review. Please never stop this style review. Awesome

[@vangtk10]

I'm a JDM fan but if I wanted a piece of American muscle in my garage, it'd definitely go to a Mustang.

[@masteroffire5793]

I’d imagine because it sounds more high pitched similar to the JDM engines

[@aadisamaroo3074]

Bruh i love this show, its just well filmed and they actually review the cars in a way thats really informative, these guys look like they actually want to do it. The Enthusiasm is great. Keep it up

[@amosioanchiriac7513]

Mustang all the way

[@jaywin5373]

Utah has nice canyon road. Let's hope you guys will review C8 and release video soon.

[@bobsuzy1]

Great video guys, one of your best. Why aren’t you guys on TV? So much better than that dribble on Top Gear America and similar shows.

[@phattyhales]

Bob K we are on TV actually. This was from season 2. We're on the Motor Trend Network and Amazon Prime.

[@RobDTom]

5:30 "One of the big differences in the power delivery between this and that supercharged V8 in the Camaro is this car always feels ready to go and powerful." Huh?? Did you get the two cars mixed up? The torque on the Shelby is up high in the rpm range. You have to keep the Shelby revs up to keep it in the sweet spot for the torque. Not so with the Camaro, which has a lot more torque than the Shelby and a good portion of it is available across the rpm range. Seems like strange statement.

[@Vikturus2k6]

They are comparing a boosted v8 to na. GT500 vs ZL1 is apples to apples.

[@RobDTom]

@@Vikturus2k6 Agreed. Which makes his statement that I quoted above all the more ridiculous.

[@benchilders1183]

I agree makes no sense

[@danielr.6905]

As an owner of a 350, I completely agree. I thought that was weird, made me question their opinion’s worth..

[@RobDTom]

@@danielr.6905 Yeah, the 350 is a bad ass car, love the sound of the flat plane crank. But you need to keep the revs high compared to the Camaro to stay in the sweet spot for torque.

[@rockervdrive]

This is pretty much the peak, or close to it, before downsizing or electrification.

[@limpunsing224]

Both cars are great but I'd still prefer a NA aspirated V8 Nice comparison review

[@gzim89]

They do make a automatic ZL1 1le 2020.

[@burgerbandit3646]

This was before 2020.

[@sschevmale24]

That thing beats the shit out of you. Handles bad ass . I'd get regular zl1

[@mont7481]

I recently purchase a 2021 zl1 and had it placed on the dyno for a before and after. It clearly peaked at 650 hp and 650 lb ft of torque. In track mode equipped with the 10-speed auto, with the aid of a GPS indicated top speed of 202 mph and a digitally measured 0-60 in 3.0 seconds air temp 54 degrees, altitude 5347 ft. On factory tires. The rear seats are a joke and waste of material and weight. The tires had to be warmed up significantly and got sideways several times during hard acceleration. Fun but scary. RPM in Littleton, CO is starting my upgrades with 960 hp as the goal. Serious upgrades to the fuel system, cam, Whipple charger, complete exhaust system rapped and ceramic coated kook headers and other mods have already began. I've witnessed them do upgrades to the Hennessy Exorcist which included increased hp, adjustable suspension components for more better handling, exhaust system rapped and ceramic coated. Love mustangs, especially the high revving flat plane crank, but find the zl1 more palatable than the gt350r. The gt500 is a whole other beast though. The zl1 and 2SS out handle them both, although the mustang feels lighter and nifty. It was a hard choice, but I'm very happy with my choice. Seems the zl1 is overall more refined and capable, especially at constant higher speeds in my opinion. They use quite a bit of fuel as expected. If I have my way, I would definitely own both.

[@random04_]

2017 Mustang GT350R is my dream car 🥵

[@aj06bolt12r]

Damn I've always been a GM guy but that FPC mustang sounds great

[@dezinetech1000]

I agree 100% with the red shirt guy. 400hp is really all you need. anything more than that you can't really use on the streets. But this is a wonderful time to be alive and driving. all these muscle/sports cars all have 500+ hp. just amazing! You guys are doing an awesome job reviewing cars.. love your reviews and car/audio shots of the cars in comparison. In my opinion, the gt350r is nicest American sports car to come out of the last few decades. The flat plane crank all naturally aspirated motor is a master piece and the car design it's nearly perfect from every angle while staying true to the mustang lines. The heritage, the racing history, the iconic stripes, and sound makes the gt350 the winner. I don't think any American sports car can touch this car based on innovation, looks and sound - out of the box straight from the factory. Damn, now i want one.

[@nathantodd5160]

I am a camaro guy myself and am totally in love with the new zl1's. I have seen maybe videos rating and camparing these cars, and in all of those videos they are not looking without a bias opinion or they just aren't looking for the right things within the cars. This is the first comparison video that truly looks at the cars properly and I believe had an unbias opinions going into comparing them. Thank you guys for putting out your honest opinions and telling us why you lean more towards a car. Awsome video, love the content.

[@EverydayDriver]

So glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching!

[@BanditApache-nd6lu]

I own a 2023 Camaro ZL1 1LE. I haven’t lost a quarter mile race to any Hellcat or Mustang ever. And yes, mine is a six speed manual transmission as well. The only car I have lost too recently is a 2024 ZO6.

[@sliknik1025]

One of them says in Shelby you always have power. Umm not exactly, you have to rev it up high to get the power. Camaro on the other hand especially with a supercharged engine has power all the time. You can easily speed up in 6th gear to overtake someone at 60. No low end torque in Shelby, you gotta downshift. I test drove both several times. Loved both but overall the Camaro won me. Can’t go wrong with either one!

[@gsii1300r]

So, am I hearing this right. I didn't like the fact that the power came too easy in the ZL1. If I'm in a muscle car, I want effortless power and handling. To each his own but, that's why I went with the ZL1. Insane power, handling, and breaking. I do appreciate the aggressive looks and sound of the 350R.

[@tcr2237]

Camaro is like a Porsche and the GT350 has power all the time.... noooooooo! I own a GT350 and power kicks in at 3850 rpms and the Camaro does not compare to any porcshe! Come on guys. Both cars are bad ass though... can deny that!

[@starking6844]

You’re absolutely correct the Camaro doesn’t compare to a Porsche, it’s in a legue of its own!!!

[@thetravdawg]

So the Camaro is faster, handles better, brakes more effectively, weighs less, costs less and the Mustang wins because it's louder and they want the Camaro with a manual. Makes perfect sense.

[@barfy-man3628]

What canyon was this filmed in?

[@Fee.1]

The 1LE is literally the same price as the gt350R you tested, so people are going to focus on that I’m sure. Loved it. Thanks

[@ChrisZukowski88]

Yeah good luck getting the 350r anywhere close to msrp.

[@sunnyside9273]

@@ChrisZukowski88 Prices have dropped like a rock on used 350R's since the GT500 roll out. And if you absolutely have to have a Ford specialty vehicle new, get ready to get bent over.. lol

[@twany442]

The people have spoken, and they have chosen the Mustang PIEROD The Mustang outsells the Camaro 3 to 1

[@phichi5488]

I had 16 2SS equipped with mag ride. Not the fastest out there, but i couldn't believe how much grip the car had. 💩 myself taking exit ramps at speed in Jersey, the thing just held. Great review.

[@GCCarsCA]

Great video! Here's hoping that I will get my hands on a GT350 sometime soon... my absolute favorite car!

[@weaklingv2]

First video I have seen from this channel. Definitely impressed

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad you found us. Thanks for watching!

[@machtschnell7452]

Hang around a track on track day and ask how many of the regulars are having problems with their 2nd engine. On the other hand, not nearly as many Camaros there.

[@rickybobby8224]

Yes, at track we will often see 5 or more gt350s and almost never even see a camero (which is too bad).

[@FROSTBITEUT]

Is this over wolfcreek pass in Utah?

[@phattyhales]

FR05TBITE good eye!

[@TH3ROCKSTAR]

Shelby GT350!

[@leonlawrencez28]

Cost less. More HP. Faster and quicker but Can settle down and be a cruiser? Lighting quick 10speed? Can be a daily driver....even in traffic?? ZL1 all day.

[@carlocotignola1644]

Awesome loved this video. When are you guys doing the GT500

[@J_Bird77]

I just love all American made muscle cars. I don't care if it's Ford, Chevy, Dodge, whatever. I'm a tall guy. I fit better in Chevy's, so I bought a 2022 ZL1. My Lord, I never get tired of driving it. I just recently took it through the mountains on Highway 89 through Yarnell, Az into Prescott. Never had more fun in my life zooming through there.

[@8__D]

It’s amazing the dominate track vehicle the Camaro has become, especially for the price! There are hardly any vehicles that even compare to its handling capabilities

[@jacko4511]

Have you driven a BMW M4? It will stick like glue, I have one.

[@oceankham]

@@jacko4511 yeah, but what he means is the zl1 is insane bargain for track potential. Nurburgring times don’t lie and i believe the zl1 1le has a faster time than than the m4 CS

[@doctorj7112]

These big V8s just sound glorious omg

[@davec3568]

Driving the Camaro on track will make you love it a lot more, it really wakes up at the limit!

[@panthersfan8494]

Im a huge camaro fan, I LOVE this gen of camaros, but I also gotta give credit to Ford with GT350 and GT500. Camaro ZL1 1LE is beautiful tho...

[@PaolomanziThe]

ZL1 STUNNIG

[@ddivinia]

Love this video. I bought a Gt350r when I found out they quit making them. Then my wife got a c8 HTC and we’ll the convertible part is claustrophobic. So, we sold it and got a Zl1 vert with a stick. Your review is bang on. She isn’t a Gt350r but sees why I love it. She prefers the ZL1.

[@PuyoPuyoFever]

Nah, I think 500hp is the magic number for the "gentleman's agreement", at 400hp, you'll just want more. Gt350 is my choice and it's power is perfect.

[@diegogodinez6511]

500 is definitely not the magic number lol I own a 2ss 17 and pushing that much lol too slow

[@longshot5738]

What are the 1/4 mile times and top speeds for the two cars? Without any modifications.

[@kgthegreatone943]

I love the GT350

[@DReinbolz]

I may have missed it, but where was this video shot at?

[@thewiirocks]

Everyday Driver: "But it has to do the boring stuff too, like commute and haul your groceries" Also Everyday Driver: "I want the least practical car here. FUUUUNNNN!!!!"