EFAP Movies #63: The Mask of Zorro - The War Arc continues... without Orlando Bloom :(

[@olehoncho]

"The sequel was so bad, what happened?" The Zorro sequel was written by Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci. Those two have been a cancer for decades.

[@sparkypack]

Kurtzman?!? NOOO!!!

[@25meip]

That's actually fascinating. And sad

[@lordmontymord8701]

Now everything makes sense. Two of the best writers of all time. Sadly this time their partner in stupidity Damon Lindelof was not with them or it would have been a masterpiece.

[@scottski02]

Seriously? Kurtzman ruined ANOTHER series? Is there anybody that perfectly encapsulates "failing upward" more than him?

[@olehoncho]

@@scottski02 His father-in-law (Nick Counter) was president of the "Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers" - the trade union that all of Hollywood is a part of.

[@mattparsons2045]

My favorite line in this movie is when after admitting he was about to execute seveal innocent bystandards just to draw out Zorro, Don Rafael then orders his men: "Get the children off the street!...Children should never have to see the things we do." Despite being genuinely evil Rafael has several moments in this movie that reveals his own twisted moral code. Makes him feel real.

[@trequor]

Exactly this. While I appreciated that line as a kid, as an adult I really appreciate that they didn't make Raphael a pervert. It would have been so easy... all the pieces are there. His adopted daughter looks just like the lost object of his infatuation... but the entire movie he acts like a proper father. God I miss good writing.

[@mrdropkicker1]

@@trequor well I think the idea is that it isn’t just the veneer, Don Rafael IS a gentleman. He adheres to the classical standards of honor and comportment, he’s just the dark side of nobility.

[@nownowdontbehasty]

Diego: Do you know how to use that? Alejandro: Yeah. Pointy end goes into the other man. Diego sighs. Diego: This is going to take a lot of work. What about you, Galadriel? Galadriel: Stab, twist, gut! Diego stares flatly. Diego: Go home, Galadriel.

[@jonbaxter2254]

But she's full of piss and tempests!

[@spenser9908]

Isn't this like something Rey would say to Han Solo?

[@alesksander]

@@spenser9908 Yeah meanwhile i also bypass mine compressor for bull***shit writing. 🤢🤮

[@sociallyineptclownprincech8731]

Idk man it worked on the ice troll and if it works on an ice troll it will work on an ice troll. Did we mention she killed an ice troll?

[@dukeofdarlo5896]

@@sociallyineptclownprincech8731 I think technically she empowered the Ice Troll to a higher plane of existence, but she did kill it. I.e. Stab, twist, gut and splash the camera with it's blood. She's so fucking metal! 🤘😝

[@VerySeriousMediaYT]

That modern Zorro trailer physically hurt me. Why Goger Why!!

[@Neonradss]

I could have quite happily went the rest of my life without knowing that exists.

[@anthonykeller1957]

I'm sorry what?

[@wilsonserv]

That trailer was posted 10 yrs ago so I think we are safe.

[@sparkypack]

​@@wilsonserv what if Zack sees it one day?

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

I hate the rapier/sabre erasure in favor of not-katanas.

[@limitlesssoul2882]

"You think stealing a horse makes you worthy enough to wear that mask" a line of thinking Batwoman could learn from. "You think stealing a suit makes you worthy enough to wear it?"

[@lordmontymord8701]

"The Zorro-outfit is literal perfection." "It will - when it fits a woman." Now let's just hope the rapier is calibrated for her.

[@canaldecasta]

"Wait a second, this isnt the Zorro movies I grew up with" Turns out there's a shit ton of Zorro movies from everywhere. Huh.

[@aquapuppy9838]

Every time Orlando Bloom isn't on screen, all of the other character should be asking "Where's Orlando Bloom?"

[@Avarn388]

Thank you EFAP for covering one of my favorite movies of all time. Heck it’s my favorite superhero film. When I think of Martin Campbell at his best I think of this movie. Antonio Banderas, Hopkins and the cast are amazing; the writing is top notch and the fight choreography. It’s everything you want in a film like this. In fact this is the best Batman Beyond movie we have that hasn’t been made in live action. Seriously WB copy and paste this type of story if you want to make it. An easy 9/10 for me. Seriously folks if you haven’t seen it, please watch it.

[@hkaayaakuu]

I thought this was a Robert Rodriguez movie lol

[@Avarn388]

@@hkaayaakuu Martin Campbell directed it.

[@Zansatsu-0379]

Honestly, yeah. This is the best live action Batman Beyond that we will ever get. It does a fantastic job building the master and apprentice relationship between Diego and Alejandro. The passing of the torch feels very earned when it finally happens, and a lot of films get that wrong, usually by rushing things or generally botching the execution.

[@Avarn388]

@@Zansatsu-0379 Whenever you pass the torch you really need to have your character earn the mantle and never make it easy. And within this film and Batman Beyond, it makes sense why the senior hero needs to find a successor due to the limitations of age and also both learn and grow from the younger one. Balance as opposed to the younger one being always right or nobody challenging/ following through on criticisms when apt.

[@Zansatsu-0379]

@Avarn388 Having the mentor not be completely infallible also helps. Not having all the answers to every problem. Both Bruce and Diego are still wrapped up in their past in a lot of ways, and there's a lot of baggage that they need to parse through. So the young apprentice isn't the only one to have an arc in the story. Diego does this more directly with the fact that he has yet to get back at Raphael, and then Elena is added to the mix. But Bruce has several moments like that in the series as well. Most notably, the stuff with "Talia" and partially with Mr. Freeze, along with a few hints of it with Barbara Gordon.

[@richardthirlwall8767]

15:48 Fun fact, Zorro was a direct inspiration for Batman, hence why there's been many references over the years to 'The Mark of Zorro' being the film that Bruce and his parents leave before being gunned down.

[@warcrazedbobgeorge4346]

I didn’t realize until later that Antonio Banderas is a funny actor. He’s a good lead but he does comedy very well.

[@trequor]

He's not the best actor, but he does have a decent range

[@SolarDragon007]

The similarities with Batman are because the character was partly inspired by old "pulp heroes" like Zorro and The Shadow. In some Batman itterations, the movie Bruce and his parents see before they die is even "The Mark of Zorro", implying that the Batman persona was inspired by them in-universe as well.

[@MinisterOfTruth]

Zorro: The Gay Blade is the movie the Wayne's family watched before... Not even joking, that's the real title of the movie!

[@HoofHearted88]

@@MinisterOfTruth As SolarDragon says, it depends on the iteration of Batman. In the Frank Miller Dark Knight series, it's revealed the Waynes watched The Mark of Zorro. That's the 1940 remake of the (to my eyes better) 1920 original. The star of the 1920 version was Douglas Fairbanks, who was credited by name by one of Batmans spiritual fathers Bob Kane as a big inspiration to the character. I'm not well versed enough to say in which other Batman runs the Waynes saw The Mark of Zorro before their death, but I believe there were other runs where he was. Bob Kane himself hasn't ever explicitly put the film in the comics, so it's all up for future iterations to put their own spin to it.

[@MinisterOfTruth]

@@HoofHearted88 ohh, thanks for the clarification, partner.

[@HoofHearted88]

@@MinisterOfTruth Any time.

[@watcher99999]

Az's face in the bald man edit had me rolling!

[@sparkypack]

careful, Will is watching you.

[@cytorakdemon]

They joke that if Zorro was made today it'd be a woman, but in the early 00's there was a tv series called The Queen Of Swords and it was basically genderbent Zorro. Wasn't half bad. Also, apparently Anthony Hopkins loved working on this movie because he got to do his own fight scenes. As he was getting older, he wasn't put in action heavy roles, so he got a real kick out of doing the sword fights.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

"War, war stabs twists and guts" - Bilbadriel, queen of Loth l'oreal

[@blackdragoncyrus]

"Raw, raw give it to me, and wriggling."

[@NicTheGreek1979]

"She's worth it..."

[@BatBuuD]

1:14:02 Mauler was talking over it, but in the prologue when Joaquin and Alejandro are in the wagon, the owner of the wagon makes a comment about how he hated making coffins for their parents, and that he’d hate to make coffins for them, or something like that.

[@Skulduggery_TV]

So the reason why there are a lot of similarities between Batman and Zorro is because Bob Kane drew a lot of inspiration from the character. Canonically, Bruce was also inspired by Zorro when becoming Batman. The movie he and his parents leave from the night they're shot was also a Zorro movie.

[@trequor]

Original Zorro didn't bother escaping before now because he was dead inside. He lost everything and Raphael was back in Spain. Seeing Raphael again reignited his spirit of revenge. Now he can escape and kill Raphael in the same day. To Shad: Zorro's style is not to attack in anger. He uses his opponent's anger against them. The trickster taunting style doesn't work if you are also angry.

[@jasonpratt5126]

Regarding the overly elaborate way to teach swordfighting (at around 38:00) -- that's a legitimate late medieval training technique (so long before Zorro's time) called chording. The idea is that you learn the shortest distance to your foes in a circle engagement (geometric "chords"), like learning vectors in aircraft combat. An interesting modern cinema parallel would be the gun-kata in Equilibrium. Kinda surprised Shad doesn't know about it! They never bother to explain it in the film (maybe it was cut for time), but that's also why the medallion matters to Zorro (in this first movie, nowhere else in Zorro adaptations that I know of): it means he's heir to a centuries' old martial art technique, now basically lost to history. (Though the manual for learning it in double-rapier fighting can be bought on Amazon, where I found it long ago, much to my amusement!)

[@miyoko_17]

I don't use this term lightly or often, however, Catherine Zeta-Jones in this movie is EXQUISITE 😍 I remember being a young teen girl thinking "when I grow up, I want to look like THAT" 😅

[@mohamedbelkacem9889]

Did you become just like that?

[@trequor]

My mother is about her age and would get compliments about their physical similarities

[@mrdropkicker1]

I remember being a young boy thinking “when I grow up I want to marry someone like THAT!” Her and Evie from The Mummy

[@BrightBrandi]

Yeah she was gorgeous

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

1:28:20 What makes this hilarious is that Don Rafael still imagines Zorro as de la Vega. “Young and vigorous” are not words used to describe that old retiree, and… good grief, isn’t de la Vega her actual FATHER?! What the heck kind of revenge fantasy is this?!

[@dklwos8088]

Ah yes, the times before Fringy’s iconic “bringing the Fring”

[@mrdropkicker1]

He was busy taking his iconic 7 pm nap when they were filming these

[@heikira438]

This movie would NEVER be made today. The sword strip fight alone.

[@akashajones6079]

The strip fight is disturbing af, in universe.

[@heikira438]

​@@akashajones6079 Nah, it's hot af

[@another_Arcane_admirer]

"Oh no, the peasants are revolting." - MauLer "You said it. They stink on ice!" - Mel Brooks; 'History of the World: Part I' (1981)

[@johnochiltree1170]

That line was also used in Dragonheart

[@aaronmueller1560]

Metal predicts a 2024 release from back before the Resident Evil EFAPs, the spiders must be with him

[@Gakusangi]

"There are a lot of connections with Batman and Zorro, probably." Yeah, it's almost like Batman was inspired by Zorro and the Shadow or something XD

[@abbyk.6410]

And they're both inspired by Robin hood maybe?

[@EggieBoi1284]

Originally when Bruce Wayne's parents died in the comics it was just after leaving the theater playing "The Mark of Zorro"

[@austinboucher5286]

​@@abbyk.6410 I don't know about Zorro, but the Shadow was inspired by Dracula and Sherlock Holmes.

[@BlueFireDrakka]

I really love the mask of Zorro from the sense of it being both a coming of Age and Passing of the Torch all tied up in a revenge plot story by the time the story starts Proper Diego is too old to be Zorro anymore and he wants to kill Raphael, Alejandro wants to kill captain love for murdering his brother being that their goals are entwined they agree to work together, but Diego doesn't just hand over the Zorro guise to Alejandro until he proves himself worthy of it he trains him and makes him work for it, teaching him how Zorro acts, since its not just about being a good sword fighter, its why Zorro fights and what he fights for that really matters and some trivia that I know: the flower coverings was incase there were bugs in the flowers and during Elena and Zorro's Stable fight, Antonio actually got a bit turned on doing it hence why they kind of avoid his crotch in several shots

[@samwallaceart288]

1:35:33 Such a great scene. The whole conversation Captain Love is waiting for Zorro to drop his guard so he can shoot him and Zorro knows this. But Zorro gets pulled in by Elena's thing about the flowers on her crib and _the moment_ he turns to her and stops focusing on the Don's neck, Captain Love goes for the shot. BUT THEN The Don is _also_ an active character in this, not just a hostage; he knows exactly what Love is about to do and intervenes rather than worry about Zorro's sword. This is why we do character setup, guys. Good shit.

[@nhagan001]

My little boy brain was so confused when Antiono tried making a Z after the fight with Catherine Zetta Jones, and stripped her. Now that’s a payoff.

[@majomajo1835]

I remember seeing this and Rush Hour on the same weekend with my dad. Damn.

[@jonbaxter2254]

What a year

[@andrewromanowski4568]

I love this movie so much. My parents showed it to me when I was 5, and it blew me away. Back in high school, when I took Drama class, I convinced my group to perform the scene where Montero comes to take Diego away and kills Esperanza, and we killed it! Thank you EFAP for covering this movie that has a special place in my heart.

[@NormieNerddom]

"He's Batman with a sword in old-y times." Brilliant historical analysis from Shad 😂😂😂

[@pontiusporcius8430]

Zorro predates batman by almost 15 years.

[@mordirit8727]

Metal's joke about claiming the Moon almost killed me, I had to keep pausing the video to laugh about it whenever it came back to mind. Why was that so perfect Edit: evert time someone likes this I look at my phone and laugh out loud, can't even begin to explain why to anyone around... 1:05:02 this deserves a timestamp

[@TheSteelBastard]

The delivery sold it. A riff worthy of MST3K.

[@detraillowe3657]

It's adorable how Rags reacts to Catherine Zeta Jones every time she's on camera.

[@jonbaxter2254]

It's a reflex, she is just too damn perfect in this film.

[@randomdude185]

@@jonbaxter2254 just this film?

[@jonbaxter2254]

@randomdude185 no she is perfect in others too. But in Zoero? Hoo boy...

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

Saying, "I want to f*ck you." is adorable?

[@mrdropkicker1]

He represents all of us

[@axiss5840]

Still to this day an easy 8/10 film. Barely any CGI, a cohesive plot with great characters who are well acted, amazing stuntwork and good, varied choreography, all building to an explosive ending scene with an actual purpose, that ties its ending threads together. I doubt we'll see things like this again, with the way Hollywood is going.

[@petriew2018]

what i love about this movie is how the action mostly remains very personal. So many modern movies just have so much unnecessary bloat, too many people on screen, to many explosions, to many distractions. When you get climaxes like this, where it's very much good vs. bad guy just straight up face to face, it's just so much more engaging well, that and Catherine Zeta-Jones.... ho-boy....

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Mauler in a dark location “……………Hello?!” (Wind blowing) XD

[@NicTheGreek1979]

I love how Anthony Hopkins, in the scene where they're talking about turning Alejandro into a gentleman, is clearly just fuckin' around off camera blowing smoke rings. You can see it when the camera cuts back to him when he says "yeeeeeesssss". 🤣👍

[@Harpagio]

1:13:00 Fun fact: Captain Love, Joaquin Murrieta and Three-fingered Jack were all real people, and Captain Love really did chop off Murrieta's head as well as Three-fingered Jack's hand and keep them in jars of alcohol. I don't think he ever drank from it though.

[@kingleech16]

Probably pickled it in the wrong vintage.

[@matthewmuir8884]

I'm pretty sure he only pickled them to preserve them as proof that he had killed them.

[@randomdude185]

He had to confirm identidy for the bounty. The real Love was just a normal California Ranger.

[@Cool_hand_luker]

I rented the vhs of mask of zorro so many times that the rental place just let me keep it the last time I checked it out 😂

[@benkanohi2819]

That sight gag of a dead Friar Tuck got me rolling xD Also didn't know how much I needed the image of Gandalf wearing a sombrero until today Top-tier editing from Goger

[@lisaumiko4448]

Greatest part of the circle training, is that his fights with Capitan love, as zoro, actually fall into the different circle sizes as the movie goes on.

[@999theeagle]

Mexican Gandalf at Gates of Maria: "Yo quero Taco Bell?" Gates open

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

He sees the Balrog and goes “Here lizard lizard lizard lizard!”

[@RanOutOfChannelNames]

Instead of, "fly, you fools!" "La migra!"

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

I mean. Mordor did have a wall that was built and paid for by Gondor.

[@thomasciuffreda8783]

One of my all-time fav action-adventure movies! Been waiting on this reaction for months. Catherine Zeta-Jones was one my first silver screen crushes growing up. I never tire of that sword fight scene with Antonia Banderas duel wielding sabers- BAD.ASS!

[@Nicstewert]

The insert of the Badger Friar Tuck just made my morning 😆 also, isn’t pretending to be a body sewn into a bag exactly how Edmond escaped from Chateau D’if in the Count of Monte Cristo?

[@austinboucher5286]

That's kinda how Edmond escaped, only he was in a coffin that ended up getting chucked off a cliff instead of buried.

[@Skrin19]

Metal made that "2024 is lit" joke with NO CLUE how true it would become

[@aqua96870]

RIP Orlando Bloom... your expressionless face will be missed

[@sparkypack]

Orlando is my secret sin.. subjectively speaking.

[@jonbaxter2254]

He will be back! I think they're doing Black hawk Down

[@Jasper_Silva]

Antonio Banderas' face keeps moving forming expressions that fit his emotional state and that's very distracting!

[@Gunleaver]

The rapier did not necessarily have to have cut off Joachim's head to make the necklace fall free. Movie necklaces are VERY breakable. The most common way of removing a necklace on-screen is to grab the object on the necklace, and pull it forward, causing the necklace to break around the wearer's neck. Someone else often puts it on right away with no depicted repair to the break.

[@kamakazines4901]

I feel like Diego escaped prison when he did specifically because Raphael's return Gabe him something to live and fight for. He cares enough to escape when revenge against Raphael is possible again

[@mrbigglezworth42]

Kudos to the editor, those were some really well timed jokes throughout.

[@Super_Ammo]

The line right after, "he was young, and vigorous", is solid gold. Shame it didn't make it in. xD

[@richardthirlwall8767]

I love how Shad claims that Antonio Banderas has no range and the very next scene showcases his incredible range 🤣

[@Sam-sr9zq]

That visual of Disney's Friar Tuck chained up with a gunshot wound in his chest FKN GOT ME!

[@Fluke2Win]

Turns out every movie ages like fine wine, when everything these days starts as sludge.

[@ThePenAndTheRose]

Oh man where he just instantly stabs the guy who accidentally shot zorros wife - here is a man who has worked hard to get to a point where he is able to kill his underlings with impunity - and damn it, he’s going to make use of it!

[@zobblewobble1770]

I find it funny how they bring up the Batman comparisons when the original Zorro pulp fiction stories were the origin of the whole “masked hero with a secret identity” trope. Essentially Batman and many of the comic book super heroes were originally inspired by Zorro.

[@augustopinochet1268]

I remember loving this movie so much as a child I’d draw Z’s in everything, dusty furniture? Z. Dirt? Z.

[@vaporeonxgamble42069]

i refuse to believe that new zorro trailer is real

[@sparkypack]

Why is there no animated Zorro movie? He could be the brother of Robin Hood.

[@KeacePeeper]

@@sparkypack Ther is an Zorro Anime

[@sparkypack]

@@KeacePeeper True, I think I watched a few episodes of it around a decade ago. However, I wish there was a Puss in Boots style Zorro with him being a fox furrsona yknow.

[@walleras]

The amazon one?

[@nobody2996]

@@sparkypack I think there's two animated series as well... And one of them is that 'X, but in the future' types.

[@Orciwan548]

It’s interesting that I’m young enough to not have any nostalgia for these movies yet when I watch them I enjoy they infinitely more than many modern ones.

[@trequor]

My favourite childhood movie. I even dressed as Zorro for Halloween.

[@blueeyedemon8]

The reason Diego waits 20 years is because Raphael left Mexico. Which is backed with the fact that he had that grand celebration for returning where we see Elena. And when he went to the jail, he was under cover so he wouldn't give away he arrived early. Now you could ask, why did Diego spend the 20yrs in jail, instead of hiding somewhere? And I'd argue, and I believe Hopkins would argue. That Diego both needed to grieve for the loss of his family, and punish himself because he blames himself for his wife's death. So, he chose to stay in jail until Raphael returned to Mexico. Or maybe! The scene in the jail closing in on Hopkins eyes, signified he had lost who he was, but after seeing Raphael the fire was ignited again.

[@able34bravo37]

1:39:00 it's worth mentioning, the revolver Kiefer carries in this had six shots, but then each cylinder had to be reloaded in a similar manner to the rifles.

[@BertzTriscut]

Ok, so on the American officer's revolver, there were cavalry carbines that use revolving chambers at the time, though I'm not sure as to the design of that one specifically. Also, a musket can hit a target from 200 yards away during the Napoleonic Wars, so a long barrel revolver would probably have at least 100 yards of accuracy in good hands.

[@MandoWookie]

Captain Love is using an anachronistic 1858 Remington revolver carbine at the beginning, likely as a stand in for the period correct Colt-Patterson revolver rifle, which are pretty much unobtainable as so few were made & no reproductions exist. The rest of the movie he is using a period correct Colt-Patterson revolver, as there have been several repros made of those over the years. Real ones are also nigh impossible to get hold of( ironically enough, even for Sam Colt himself, he went bankrupt and had to sell all his original guns and factory, & a few years later when he started working on the Walker revolver he first tried to get hold of some of his original guns to work off of, but couldnt afford them. The California gold rush had started and they were in such demand prices skyrocketed. It forced him to start fresh, and create the original 'Big Iron' revolver, the Walker-Colt .44. And started a long tradition of Sam Colt ripping off everybody from the US Gov to his own parts suppliers.)

[@solanumlycopersicum5594]

The "focus" thing when doing a closeup of a woman is not a focus issue, but generally a filter. The joke about it is smearing vaseline on the lens, which was definitely done. There are several proper filters one may put in front of the lens for similar effect though, which hide imperfections of the skin.

[@charlesjung7340]

1:21:06 It's probably been done before but I think it'd be neat if there were some villains when held hostage would tell their subordinates to fire regardless, it could be a good subversion and depending on the villain can establish how strongly they feel for their side even if it's pure evil

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Interesting thought, I've seen it done with heros willing to die for their side but rarely Villains.

[@samwallaceart288]

Like the cop in Dark Knight saying "Just shoot, it's my own damn fault for letting him get me"

[@SacClass650]

Absolute banger! One of my earliest cinema experiences, and one of my fondest.

[@mobbsy2758]

"Retire!!??... You are too good looking to retire "🐈👢

[@HumphreyHorsehead]

I have seen every episode of the late 50s Zorro TV series and it is indeed excellent.

[@foobloo101]

Such a good movie. I grew up with the Guy Williams Zorro but this is probably one of the best takes on the character.

[@shamboholic]

First 15 minutes, Simpsons reference. Fringy is here with us in spirit.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

*distant BLBLBLBLBL*

[@jonbaxter2254]

Noooaaahhh!

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

Fun facts: Zorro inspired Batman, not the inverse! Zorro is a Spanish noble specifically, so Twitter can kick rocks. Zorro has been in film since 1920. The maid lady was speaking a native language. Dunno which one tho. This was more common at the time due to the mestizo (mixed)peasantry. The American variations of Spanish still include native words and inflections. “Don” means lord in Spanish. So the Don is indisputably the Lord.

[@johnochiltree1170]

Zorro is Spanish for ‘fox’. Sorro is Spanish for ‘sorro’… which isn’t a word.

[@aronthedev3074]

And zorra means bitch, apparently. Learning is fun.

[@TheBlairAngel]

k?

[@johnochiltree1170]

@@TheBlairAngel ‘k’ is a letter.

[@mrdropkicker1]

Rags was being silly…

[@SunshineLoLypops]

As explained "Zorro" is Spanish for fox.

[@sparkypack]

"Estrella Zorro" StarFox

[@fanboyhex1555]

Holy crap I just discovered this channel... it's like MST3K... AWESOME! I love it 😃

[@flyinpigmusic331]

Oh man... welcome! Time to immerse yourself

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Welcome and enjoy! ^.-.^

[@azh698]

@7:39 Interesting thing you point out Mauler, this movie came out a year after Batman & Robin, Batman is a copied from the Shadow, and the Shadow is derived from Zorro.

[@NicTheGreek1979]

It's like poetry. It rhymes. Edit: I typed this as MauLer said it at 1:37:55 😂😂😂

[@randomperson-up5vt]

ive always loved how over the top the swordplay was in the film at times. so much coincidence at times as well but i really did love it.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

I remember being extremely excited about this movie coming out as an early teen. The teaser trailers were my 1st true exposure when he came on the screen in silhouette and slashed the screen with 3 cuts. Such a fun movie and a great example of a summer blockbuster. ^-^

[@Coconut-219]

"Hey wait a minute you're not @Beuwen_The_Dragon... do you have a 'LOISCENSE for that "OwO" ?"

[@EpicJasonX9000]

@@Coconut-219 I don’t get the reference. Sorry.

[@Go_n_shogi]

Back when villains met satisfying endings. We didn’t know how good we had it.

[@heikira438]

Good, this arch has a LEGENDARY movie in it. Don blessed us.

[@richardthirlwall8767]

25:23 That is a Remington 1858 Carbine (sometimes known as 'cattleman's carbine') and as awesome as it is, very anachronistic. This film takes place in 1841, 17 years before it's invention, however, later in the film he uses a Colt Paterson which was invented in 1836, so I'm not too sure why they decided to do both aside from the novelty of the carbine.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

It was probably done because while there are replica 1858 carbines and 1851 navy colts w/removable stocks, nobody makes a replica 1836 colt Paterson carbine or a stock to fit replica colt Paterson pistols. So likely the 1858 carbine was only a stand-in for a Colt Paterson carbine, since he is using a colt Paterson pistol later. (Also why they only give us a front view of the carbine, just enough to show it is a revolver carbine, but still vague enough for most people to not immediately identify.)

[@richardthirlwall8767]

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon The length of the barrel is so significantly different that I always thought it was supposed to be two different guns, one he uses on horseback and one he uses off the horse but given the nature of production and film language that is possible.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

1:10:04 ^.-.^ Ooo! I like how the only ones whom dinae react to the blast in fear are Zorro and Captain Love. Good touch. 9:06 Also yes, that Z was on a coffin at the beginning, the lads were hiding in the undertaker’s wagon, because Don Rafael was setting this execution as a trap for Zorro. ^.-.^ Also you did kinda gloss over it a bit, but I’mma say that the wee moment between Zorro and Three Fingered Jack as he lay dying; is a part I really appreciate. That brief moment of recognition by Jack and the little comforting smile he gave, so that he knows he didn’t die alone.. It makes me misty eyed every time. ^.-.^

[@romainf3780]

The ninja sound whenever characters teleport is becoming one of my favorite EFAP memes

[@berserkshirtbear1271]

How could you have an EFAP movies without Orlando Bloom?

[@noahsarkcreative]

lol its love hate

[@jaycensolo9749]

When the badmin says "where is Zorro now, Padre" -Zorro literally crosses frame. Corny and I love it.

[@Zeddyboi86]

“If I had a nickel for every time I’ve shot this man while he was flying through the air….. I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.”

[@giulizpaviz6381]

The Mask of Zorro is 100% a better pass the torch than modern MCU, Star Wars, Doctor Who and many other franchises that tried to use the pass the torch thrope. The new protagonist have an arc and learn from the previous one, no disrespect for the old, the old protagonists isn't a loser and still have the guts to face the bad situations It's just so perfect

[@Shorty_Hutch]

my childhood go to film. must pick this up again

[@blackwolfking1000]

This is my favorite movie of all time. Its ine of those childhood films that aged like wine and just got better

[@kreese-yi2nb]

I've never watched Legend of Zorro and never going to either - this is how much I love this particular movie.

[@dianebrooks1859]

It was so incredibly awful that my entire family turned off the TV, sat in silence for a few seconds, then collectively decided the movie never existed.

[@kreese-yi2nb]

@@dianebrooks1859 It was written by Alex Kurtzman, which should explain a few things.

[@c-puff]

I know these are filmed in advance but I am on my KNEES begging for you guys to cover 'Count of Monte Christo'!!!

[@curtislangdon8294]

I really love the edits in this, adds another layer of fun to the whole experince.

[@LadyCallie_]

One of the only good things on D+ is the Zorro. It was a serialized, black and white TV show. They made almost 80 episodes between 1957-1958. Bernardo (Anthony Hopkins character in this) was Zorro's servant in the TV show. He was mute but pretended to be deaf to spy for Zorro. Fun to see how they picked things up from the TV show to bring into this.

[@TheExcuseme2121]

The edits make this so much better, and it was already great. Fantastic work!

[@Beard_Hood]

15:50 i can just hear Razorfist saying "you dont say. That and a certain Shadowy figure"

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*The Zorro text is better than the Star Wars crawl.* Change my mind.

[@Crimsin19937]

I used to watch the OG zorro series (the black and white one) when i was a kid! Haven't heard anyone bring it up in, probably 20+ years! Cheers shad! Thanks for reminding me of the good ol' days!

[@rsccrplyr]

This is making me want a pre MCU comic book movies arc for some reason. The Phantom, Spawn, Blade just to name a few.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Thumbs up to all the above, maybe through in _Steel_ for a so bad it's funny film?

[@samwallaceart288]

I also would love their breakdown of the Raimi Spooder films, to see if they're as good as Browntable says they are

[@samwallaceart288]

I would love their Raimi Spooderman reaction too

[@Zansatsu-0379]

This is honestly one of my favorite movies of all time, man. Saw it as a kid and it blew my mind. I even dressed up as Zorro for Halloween when I was little. Awesome action scenes, memorable score, the sets are great, and I love all of the performances. And we really don't get action/adventure movies like this these days. I'm with Mauler, I wish films like this were the standard for modern movies.

[@cosmoreverb3943]

That's the first "Whatcha bring me?" in quite a while to make me laugh

[@fredriklandin]

Oh man, imagen how spoiled we were back in the days.. always thought this was mid. Now looking back and seeing such amazing acting the depth even in a film like this.. i miss old times

[@nikewilly8404]

I thought the new zorro trailer was a joke by the editor.