EFAP TV: Reacting to The Acolyte Finale - ITS FINALLY OVER

I don't even like writing descriptions for this awful show and its terrible episodes. This ending was worse than expected and has made the season significantly worse too. Bit of a nightmare to get out on time but myself and Fringy pulled it off together!
Enjoy!!!
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Mauler - Start to 38:13
Fringy - 38:13 to end

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

Qui-Gon Jinn was reduced to a dumb cameo in Kenobi. Anakin is reduced to a dumb cameo in Ahsoka. *Darth Plagueis is reduced to a dumb cameo in The Acolyte.* *That’s all Disney knows. Dumb cameos.*

[@88-V-..-A-..-N-88]

Could prob throw Cad Bane in for BOBF he did literally nothing. Shot someone. Gets shot him self.. Thanks for stopping by

[@Taygon45]

Only is the animated shows they didn't touch too much got good cameos. "I'm not afraid of you!" "Then you will die braver than most."

[@nhagan001]

Hey now! Those cameos worked just fine on people like Star Wars Theory every other time! You can’t blame them for trying it again! Come on, Mr. “Andor is not Star Wars, and is for people that drink wine and eat cheese”, clap at the lightsabers and cameos! This is what you wanted right? They only gave you what worked every other time! Terrible characters and plot and mandated-action scenes was par for the course up until Andor. Why suddenly turn on Disney when it’s characters you don’t care about? /s

[@SaviorCross]

Facts.

[@Jasper_Silva]

I'm sorry, Anakin was a dumb cameo? Did you forget he literally vAderEd!!??

[@Necromancer4267]

"We absolutely cannot let anyone know that my Padawan, a Jedi, turned to Evil and killed everyone. To accomplish this, we will let everyone know that my friend, a Jedi, turned to Evil and killed everyone."

[@IkarusKommt]

The consequences of loosing one rogue Jedi would be much more serious than after killing Sol.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

MoRalLy GrEy.

[@nont18411]

But hey, at least she could throw the blames on someone else instead of herself who made her padawan evil in the first place

[@aaronmueller1560]

This right here, this one sums up the whole show. How did they mess up this badly

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

@@aaronmueller1560 Gets worse if you think about it. We have Three jedi masters with Padawan of note, and they all go evil. Green Bean makes Smilo, Sol makes Osha and/or May. And Trinity made the guy who was very emotionally damaged and whined about going home before getting brainwashed by evil witches and committing suicide. Simply put all these Jedi are massive failures at teaching.

[@nont18411]

I love it when Venestra threw her own friend under the bus for the crimes he didn’t commit to cover up her own failures as a Jedi master that caused her ex-padawan to become a serial killer. I love it even more to know that Yoda and Ki Adi Mundi helped her frame Saul which will cause Palpatine to rise in power in the first place and kill billions of lives, including the Jedis like Qui Gon, Mace Windu and Obiwan, a century later.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

I love it even more that Plagues was inspired to create life with midichlorians by May and Osha.

[@lulukomadori9651]

I still can't believe that this is the ending, they really had siths confirmed and the jedi just blame it on someone else, why was this show allowed, the jedi is star wars/disney money maker, why ruin them even further

[@JavRexgteneg2pIift]

Saul as in Saul Goodman? Dang, he deserved better than this show.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I don't understand the cover up anyway. She didn't want that Senator to investigate the Jedi...so she says a Jedi went crazy and murdered a bunch of people. Won't that make them want to investigate even more now?

[@grandarkfang_1482]

She should have made a diss track like Amandla. "Certified Jedi Master? Certified Pedophile!"

[@CRIMI0N]

Villains wrote this show.

[@wheeliebin18]

Important to remember this.

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

I'm gonna be Mr. Pedantic Semantics here, but the etymology of 'villains' suggests a low-down peasant from the village (think 'villa-ones'), which these people most certainly are not. So while I agree entirely with the sentiment and that you have used the most succinct and relatable term, I feel that they might be more accurately described as 'monsters,' or maybe Australia's favorite word.

[@andrewvaldez8866]

Come on don’t disrespect the villains man darth Vader and palpy was way smarter then these idiots

[@olger4771]

​@@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese thanks, thats cool to know,

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

@@olger4771 You're welcome! Any time I can spread weird etymology knowledge, I'm happy :))

[@Raaaaaaaaai]

This show is like Sith propaganda, it genuinely feels like something the Empire would make in-universe.

[@BruhMoment-fr4zr]

If the Sith wanted to make convincing propaganda this sure as fuck wouldn’t be it lmao

[@Inkdisc]

only disney era empire would be incompetent enough to make propaganda this terrible

[@TOMahawk207isawsome]

I mean, it's called The Acolyte, you knew it would be about the bad guys.

[@user-eu5xg4bs7o]

Yo, dude The Empire is pretty chill Maybe you want join it or something?

[@phillrochardt5840]

I feel like the Empire would actually do a competent job. Even though they are as evil as Leslie, they still seem like they would have more self-awareness and cleverness.

[@Chris-xl3gv]

i really like how Mae went to Sol that he has to confess and pay for his "crimes" to the counsel , but then when its her time to pay for her crimes, go wipe her memories so she doesn't have to face the repercussions for her actual crimes...

[@socialjihad5724]

Tbh, it seems they know Mae will be captured and imprisoned by the Jedi, which actually seems like a really cruel fate. Imagine spending your life in prison and you have no idea why because the past 16 years of your life's memories are just gone

[@Phoenix0F8]

@@socialjihad5724 Mae's face when spending life in prison: 😐 Also Mae's face when eating her favorite meal 😐stubbing her toe 😐making out with someone 😐watching a sad movie 😐 etc etc etc

[@Mr_Bones.]

This is pretty good writing to be honest, women in real life will crawl through broken glass to deny accountability for their terrible actions. I mean, the bint who wrote this fed young women to Harvey Weinstein for years. Nowadays she doesn’t even mention his name or that she was involved in anything. And don’t forget, Star Wars isn’t the problem, it is the fans 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@superjlk_9538]

@@Mr_Bones.yeah and she decided to write a story where two young women are groomed by a clothesless monster and one of them is mindwiped so his crimes go unreported

[@Jasper_Silva]

It's like poetry, it makes no sense! lol

[@Inkdisc]

i hate how when her lightsaber turns red the music goes triumphant

[@wheeliebin18]

Leslie Headland therapy fanfic.

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

Lesbian Legohead: Being evil is a good thing! Everyone else: 🤨

[@Dweller12-tu5on]

Me: commits dozens of war crimes so inhumane Leslie Horeland: "YOU'RE A MISUNDERSTOOD ANGELLLL!!!" XD

[@tailedgates9]

Perfect representation of how these writers freaking think. It's "cool." That's it......

[@swegboy0238]

I also hate, and am suprised no one has mentioned it yet, by how the blade turns red. The retardation of Disney spreads into the VFX too, because if a beam is emitted through a crystal, then the whole beam would have the same color at the same time. It should have shifted into purple hues and then reds all as one. I know they were told how to render it but fuck, they can't even get light correct.

[@nont18411]

We shouldn’t forget that Tommen committed seppuku thanks to the smokey witch lady mind-raping him. The same witch lady also tried to disintegrate Mae. And the show somehow wants us to condemn Saul for killing her. It’s Wandavision and John Walker all over again.

[@jakobm87]

Saul is a good name, but I prefer calling him Seoul for obvious reasons.

[@hastingscutoff1304]

Tommen, First of the Hairline

[@David_the_Psalmist]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but at least Wanda was a character who people previously sympathized with, and Walker had one or two times where he was kind of mean. This show doesn't even have *that*.

[@arcanefury3666]

Isnt the implication in that scene the witch is using his fear against him? Im not faulting him though cause in his eyes a kid is being turned to ash so he acted Edit: nevermind. I tried to defend the show and the writers made my defense look like a battered housewife in a lifetime movie. Apparently that mom was trying to,"return her to the force," according to this video

[@lolno3906]

It is. The Yaas witch was fking with him before the first words were exchanged between the two groups, and in the confrontation the way it played out was the horn witch was first to go into combat stance, uprovoked, jedi tensed, Yaas witch turned into smoke, Sol reacted, THEN the rest of witches draw bowguns and started shooting at Tomlin, who only NOW draws lightsaber and starts deflecting, in comes wookie and tries to murder him. Out of all characters, Tomlin did absolutely the least of them.

[@SallinKari]

I love how they want to portray the Jedi as 'evil' but all they showed is a group of Jedi who are slightly incompetent, against actually evil people and we're suppose to feel sorry for the evil people. Then again, these are probably the same people who feel bad for a gas station robber who was waving a prop that deliberately looks like a real gun in the face of the owner to threaten him and then gets shot by said owner.

[@Ramsey276one]

Hanlon's Razor

[@321cheeseman]

@@Ramsey276one I dunno man, I don't think stupidity adequately explains the backward morality of every aspect of this show.

[@lordmontymord8701]

My headcanon is that Sol and the others were sent on this mission because they are not the most competent people. Let them look for this force event for months - that way they can't create trouble somewhere else. No wonder they lied - the council would have made them stay in the deepest level of the Jedi temple forever even if they weren't to blame for the events.

[@kw9849]

The Witches were given the option of just telling the Jedi to fuck off and didn't. They opted into most of this.

[@SallinKari]

@@kw9849 When they did, they first held one of the Jedi hostage, which is outright hostile.

[@davemustang8173]

"The Jedi are evil" Lesbian Headlamp said as she directed the scene where the main character chokes a good Jedi to death

[@DaMaster012]

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" _"WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!"_

[@lordmontymord8701]

@@DaMaster012 Now we know that even good old Sheev was just someone fighting for his freedom against the Jedi-oppression - his freedom to conquer the Republic and rule as a despot, but who cares.

[@matthewcollins4773]

It's like Bazil is somehow partially external to the narrative. His actions and agendas cannot be accounted for, predicted, or questioned. He's just there and sometimes acts to change the plot, and everyone understands that he's a neutral metaphysical force, who follows his own rules. The Beaver is like the Force, actually. It partially controls everyone's actions, but also sometimes obeys their commands. The will of the Beaver is apparently not to be questioned, and he is a pathway to many actions that some might consider convenient.

[@MrNatShirt]

May the Beaver be with you!

[@finleymorris04]

Bazil is mf Flumpty Bumpty

[@cjbroskin1327]

Is it possible to learn this power? Not from a woodchuck.

[@kylekatarn5964]

Deus Ex Beaverna

[@TheAuthorStudios]

my only postiive hope for this show is for darth beaver to become like a bootleg version of darth jar jar.

[@misha7626]

I can't believe the show fails to acknowledge that wiping someone's memory is essentially killing them. Twice.

[@LolcowAdmirer]

Mae now has arrested development

[@charlesruteal9062]

@@misha7626 I'm reminded of Rags' speech during the GotG3 coverage. Memories are a person's property.

[@hectoraccented5312]

And also that also having your memory erased doesn't absolve you of your crimes

[@Jasper_Silva]

That is also another universe breaking spell they decided to introduce in this show.

[@insensitive919]

Oh geez, are they stealing Revan's arc? If we don't get a Season 2, that may mean that Leslie is getting her Old Republic project. Uh oh.

[@TheManofThings777]

- Venestra didn't have to throw Sol under the bus. She could literally just say: "a dark side force user killed a bunch of jedi. I'll go take him out myself, don't worry." The only reason Sol is thrown under the bus is meta knowledge. They know they need the Jedi to not believe any sith are out there to fit the prequels. - Osha has no business being even close to beating Mae in that fight. Even if you want to say they received the same exact training since Qimir used to be a Jedi, Mae has been training every single day for YEARS, Osha hasn't. "Oh, but they're the same person!" Then why doesn't Osha have her memories wiped too? They aren't. - Osha's canonical love interest ends up being her fucking kidnapper lol. - Why didn't Sol LITERALLY JUST SAY "no, I killed your mother because it looked like YOU were going to die. Would you rather have just died???" - Anakin isn't important or special anymore and I hate it.

[@nont18411]

And I hate how they turned a Jedi from a well-meaning but flawed (in terms of being incompetent and ignorant at times) during the prequel into a straight-up corrupt bureaucratic organization. They betrayed their own friend just to cover up their own failures (Smilo Ren who’s her ex-padawan turning evil) and maintain their high position of power in the senate.

[@JKMlive]

None this needed to happen if they kept the sith completely secret and not wipe out a whole squad of jedi by lightsabre. This show is so stupid

[@nhagan001]

Your comment about OSHA being Mae in a fight rings similar to “untrained Obi Wan that let his powers rust, can now suddenly go anime-levels of power after a short weekend with Leia”. She gave off levels of “Joel from TLOU2” with her power up. Though I guess Joel was a nerf in comparison? Yeah, Sol is more Joel I guess in terms of one to one comparisons in this episode.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

@@nhagan001 This show was inspired by that game, wasn't it?

[@LurkerBelow]

@@FriendlyDarkwraith among others. A DnD campaign played during lockdown, Elden Ring's great co-operator Let Me Solo Her, and I'm certain some other shit.

[@terrasur4168]

This show is legitimately morally abhorrent, which is not something I have ever thought or wanted to apply to Star Wars, not even TLJ for all it's arrogant smugness and insulting the series was this confused or malicious in it's messaging. The terrifying thing is the fact that people want to argue this is aimed at kids, and I shudder to think what a formative mind would draw from this. Lucas for all his storytelling faults at least made it very clear, in fact the basis for Star Wars, of the struggle between good and evil and right choices which a child could easily pick up on. There is something almost sickening about this narrative that I can't quite put my finger on because I'm unsure how much is intentional or not.

[@insomnolant6043]

Evil does not rely on intention. Morality is not the legal system.

[@Phoenix0F8]

I'd put it this way: The proof is in the pudding. A morally sound mind would not have presented the story to us in this way. They legitimately expected us to still side with the twins after they're both unrepentant murderers. They thought Smilo's throwaway lines about "Oh, well, uh, Yord arrested you and Jacki wouldn't have committed to a relationship with you so it was OK for me to kill them" actually absolved him of all his crimes, and it's great that him and Osha are gonna be together now. They clearly side with the coven of dark side witches and want to gaslight us into thinking that they did no wrong. They also framed Torbin's exit, very disturbingly, as a moment of relief. Of "Absolution". I have few words to describe my loathing for these writers.

[@superjlk_9538]

“Jedi are evil homophobes!” That’s the message.

[@christianescandon9145]

TLJ was this bad, what are you on?

[@terrasur4168]

Rey at least rejected Kylo, and Luke got off his ass and cared again even if it was pathetic and last minute.

[@eugenekrabs6400]

I still can’t believe Sol gets criticized for killing someone in what any normal person would agree is self defense after his friend gets brainwashed and tortured. Then after getting murdered by his padawan they paint it like trying to save a kid from an evil cult whose members say they must sacrifice themselves is a selfish act. Fuck this show oh my god.

[@nont18411]

It’s like John Walker case. Or should I say, Sol Walker?

[@gerrade71278]

*friends. 2 Jedis were mind raped. #me too lol.

[@nmr7203]

​@@nont18411 Except John actually had moments of being a bit unhinged, Leslie couldn't even do that. She just thinks normal people are evil lol

[@ciege7486]

​@nmr7203 None of Walkers "unhinged" moments spoke poorly of his character or were in any way illegal acts though, despite what defenders of that garbage show would argue.

[@eugenekrabs6400]

@@nmr7203 “fuck you for doing what any normal person would have done in these situations”

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

So OSHA leaves with her kidnapper and the murderer of 8 to 10 Jedi, including 2 of her "friends," Jecki and Yord. She also goes along with wiping her twin sisters mind, essentially killing her and OSHA killed her own former master. Is this supposed to make her good or compelling in some way? This is Leslie's idea of a "hero?" If so, Leslie is morally bankrupt.

[@kaykutcher2103]

Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant morally bankrupt? Say it ain't so...

[@stev3548]

Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant, who undoubtedly was a direct facilitator to industrial grade sexual exploitation and arguable sex trafficking is morally deficient? No, that cannot be!

[@lordvarrax5060]

Harvey Weinstein’s assistant? Morally bankrupt? Say it ain’t so!

[@paleface171]

Of course she wouldn't know any morals, being the assistant of a piece of shit.

[@gerrade71278]

#StockholmSyndrome

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

How hilarious is it that Sol carries the brunt for The Acolyte, both whatever semblances of quality it might have out of character AND the entire coverup in character. He didn’t deserve this, man.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

Sol is the Hector of The Acolyte.

[@Ramsey276one]

The only good actor in the cast The only good PERSON in the plot Both are too good for their worlds

[@zetester98]

Every time someone said his name an image of Saul Goodman immediately popped into my mind. I couldn't help it.

[@RebellionInHell]

Homer - Marge I’m confused. Is this a happy ending or a sad ending? Marge - It’s an ending, that’s enough.

[@FunZies.]

Fringy approves of this comment.

[@An_Actual_Rat]

@@FunZies. "Ah, these comments, making their little references. Look at them go!"- Fringy

[@atomicdancer]

Lisa: "Perhaps there is no moral to this story." Homer: "Exactly! It's just a bunch of stuff that happened."

[@mrshmuga9]

Bart: This is the worst Star Wars show they’ve made. Homer: The worst they’ve made _so far._

[@DrViperVideos]

I can’t wait for the lightsaber to bleed into red. RED!? THATS RED!!

[@Arko777777]

#FF0000!? That's #FF0000!!

[@lorcanmcgeehan9106]

Bleeding the crystal is such a cringe idea, them having synthetic crystals made sense and was thematically interesting.

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

"SHE VADEEERED!"

[@rogermeck601]

Oh mY gOd sHe vAdERed

[@marcogenovesi8570]

She VADERED

[@supernovavortex3069]

Has anyone else noticed that most modern movies and TV shows have their protagonists never question the morality or consequences of their actions

[@wheeliebin18]

Wonder why that is.... wonder if it's tied to the studio execs and backers or something.....

[@3qtipkilla]

Its meant to portray a idealized world in their minds, showing women viewers whats its like to never make the right decision and in fact do whatever you want and be rewarded and portrayed positively. Essentially its saying "wouldn't it be great to act arbitrary, even evil, and face no consequences as a woman?" Its honestly misogynistic really but obviously they are too stupid to know that and i know that because disney lets them write for them

[@kw9849]

It's almost as if they're written by sociopaths, with the help of AI.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

That would require the writers to be mentally mature enough to be introspective and question themselves.

[@miep3934]

It's because most shows aren't written from the perspective of the characters. They're written from the perspective of the writer. And an action of a moral character is to be considered moral by fiat. It's why the doctor can starve spiders to death and call it mercy, it's why Osha can choke Sol to death and call it justice and it's why the Dora Milage can attack US officials on foreign soil and call it freedom.

[@fathorse8]

If Sol had gone "I will do what I must" when the three idiots cornered him and realized Osha was too far gone and then killed them all, the show would've at least been a 2/10.

[@lordvarrax5060]

The “Based Sol” ending would indeed be superior.

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

It actually would've been better, because the ending would probably play out the same. Sol has seemed pretty selfless up to now, and I could see him agreeing to Venestra's crazy lie. He'd be imprisoned and marked a traitor, but at least that was his choice than them framing a dead man

[@samuellund1377]

If Sol had said "My greatest regret is not saving you both...so I could kill Mae with my bare hands" this would have been at least a 3/10.

[@nmr7203]

That high?

[@DaMaster012]

"For 16 years, my greatest regret was drawing my lightsaber against your mother. But now, I understand my greatest sin... _was letting you two live."_ Sol correcting his mistake would have been the greatest "otherwise unfathomably terrible shows that actually turned it around right at the end" in television history.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="861">14:21</a> “I think the Jedi are a massive system of unchecked power posing as a cult.” *As proven when the Jedi rescued two children from an ACTUAL massive system of unchecked power posing as a cult.*

[@nont18411]

Disney did more to destroy the Jedi than Palpatine ever did

[@jiggycalzone8585]

I haven't seen it but I assume in the scene there were big giant neon letters flashing "GET IT??"

[@reactiondavant-garde3391]

I like ow the show not even show us this supposed cultist behvaiour. The Jedis are mor burocratic then religious really. But this show doN't know what dogmatism, fanaticism and cultist behaviour work so I am not suprised.

[@taddad2641]

Well no it has a point but only if you are privey to stuff like the clone wars and such and other media. The jedi were very corrupt at this point as they were often passive of the crimes the repubilc wre comitting and were drawn into politics too. but, the show compeltely failed to show a proper darkside to the jedi.

[@insensitive919]

@@reactiondavant-garde3391 "Cult" is an annoying word. I lt historically means "any religion that isn't mine", it's more a modern western thing where we use that word to describe dangerous fringe organizations. You might tolerate a religious fringe group that is kinda harmless/positive. I think the Jedi has even been called a cult in one of the kotor games, probably in the books too, in the more neutral way, so being a "cult" shouldn't be in their list of crimes, they don't force their students to stay, which this show should well-know.

[@oscargruber8582]

Every episode of this show costs nearly twice the budget of Godzilla Minus One. What the hell

[@matthewcollins4773]

Proposed spinoff: "Bazil and Mog". One is a diminiutive, squeaking rodent-like creature, the other is Bazil.

[@nananamamana3591]

They're a buddy cop duo, with Bazil being the eccentric, genius detective, and Mog is the sniveling sidekick who has to try and make excuses for why Bazil has burried his face in some wookie's skidmarks. "Oh sorry, he's just getting a scent, this is all professional, I assure you."

[@talaris-uk]

I spit my tea out reading this 😂

[@Jasper_Silva]

@@nananamamana3591 Give them a bossy lady that keeps both in their place and KK might just give you 200 million to produce it.

[@kingleech16]

@@Jasper_Silva I wish that were just a joke…

[@dodojesus4529]

@@Jasper_Silva shove her in at random and have her talk complete gibberish. Not even nonsense sentences that dont connect. Just words that dont connect spoken by microsoft sam. I geniuenly think theyd let you do this so long as she looks like shes in control.

[@shadows-xn3ed]

As an EMT of 3 years I fully expect someone on the panel to have a stroke over the blatant gaslighting near the ending.

[@mikeyua7]

It's a comment like this that reminds me of how I always worry about giving myself an aneurysm from thinking and getting angry about stupid decisions by entertainment companies like Disney and Warner. They deserve all the ridicule they get, but at some point we gotta remember how fragile our bodies can become.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

My bet is on Theo or Fringy.

[@phillrochardt5840]

Luckily (unluckily?), they have built up an invincible tolerance from their steady exposure to this toxic horseshittery over the years

[@ddaman7854]

Darth Plagueis, Just another Sith taking credit for a witches work.

[@nont18411]

Palpatine is also a man taking credits of destroying Jedis from a woman like Venestra’s work.

[@CRIMI0N]

This show was basically: "A girl did it first. Behold the the almighty uterus!"

[@jiggycalzone8585]

Those black robes will be perfect....when it fits a woman

[@nananamamana3591]

Darth Plageuis? More like... Darth PLAGERIST!

[@shaecouture7480]

I don't care what your history teacher told you, Tennebris was a woman.

[@jcore0981]

Man Lee Jung-jae essentially carried any semblance of substance in this show on his back. Any speckle of praise this horrific show has goes soley to him. I can't wait to see all that work he put in be rewarded by a fitting and justified end to his character😁

[@mrmcawesome9746]

SOLely to him... aha. ha. ha...

[@jcore0981]

@@mrmcawesome9746 Ayooooo

[@underthegardenwall]

He was by far the most charismatic actor on the show, along with the guy who played Quimir. Unfortunately, Amandla Stenberg negated all their effort with her black hole of an "acting" performance. Kinda impressive how bad she was tbh.

[@lordmontymord8701]

@@underthegardenwall You don't get it: That was on purpose! Yeah, a hardcore-Acolyte-defender, who's clearly into her argued with me about her acting-abilities and said that the acting on the show is the way it is because it's for 14-year olds ... That was absolutely convincing and i didn't have any counter-argument, so i gave up.

[@VaderPopsVicodin10]

Haven't watched this show, but I mean, from all the clips and scenes I've seen he's definitely the only one who has solid screen presence and any talent.. (Jacinto as well, but to a smaller degree)

[@KelShu]

Not only was it scummy of Vernestra to throw Sol under the bus and blame him for all of the murders, it also doesn’t add up. There were witnesses to Indara’s assassination and Torbin ending his own life; the only one that he wouldn’t have an alibi for would be Kelnacca, but by doing that you have to blame him for the deaths of the other Jedi too. Absolutely terrible.

[@LuckyTheReviewer]

The only way they could make the lie work is if she had all witnesses either killed or bribed to stay silent because otherwise there is no way people who were there hear this story and goes "No wait that isn't right."

[@wheeliebin18]

It's a steaming pile, no doubt.

[@KelShu]

@@LuckyTheReviewerThe fat Jedi at the local temple will be bribed with a cheeseburger

[@nananamamana3591]

An autopsy of Kelnacca's body could reveal his time of death. This would *also* be true of *EVERY* dead jedi in the forest. All you'd need to do is correlate how long it takes to reach his hut, from the flight logs of Sol's ship, currently in possession of Bazil the Beaver. You can also collect his testimony as the only surviving member of the expedition, Bazil can attest to roughly how long it took them to get into the forest deep enough to be within the vicinity of Kelnacca's hut, even if Bazil separated from the group and couldn't account for Sol's whereabouts, we'd know *when* Kelnacca died, when Sol arrived, and how long it would have taken him to be within range of Kelnacca to kill him, and of course, the time of death for every jedi there. They'd find that the jedi party was killed *after* Kelnacca, by at least 5 minutes. That might not be iron clad, but, look at the lightsaber wounds. The ones on his apprentice are 3 stab wounds, two equidistant in her upper chest, the third through her head. Check the finger prints on the other sabers, do any of them have Sol's prints? No? Well then how does this jedi make two lightsaber *STAB* wounds at the same time, little own three? Speaking *of* lightsabers, where *IS* Master Sol's weapon? It's not common for jedi to just abandon their lightsaber, is it? It's the supposed murder weapon. Where did it go? Season 2 of the Acolyte needs to be Space Columbo, ensuring all these fucking monsters never see the light of day for their collective fucking crimes.

[@kylekatarn5964]

The continuity isn't even theoretical, it's not there.

[@vetrais7965]

The lightsaber became a evil progress bar there lmao

[@kaykutcher2103]

It's like one of those multi layers popsicles.

[@gallusgallusdomesticus281]

This entire show feels like if someone adapted a shitty YA Wattpad fanfic.

[@CorsairPrince]

Parts of it actually originally were taken from some shitty ttrpg the show runner was in lmao

[@Nokaret]

There's thousands of young girls who write shitty fanfic that's still better than this, but no one would give them 180 million to film it.

[@hectoraccented5312]

But fanfic is written by fans of the original work!!

[@eggpling]

I’ve read shitty fanfic better than this. At least FANfic actually cares about the source.

[@jerrythemudkip522]

​@@CorsairPrinceHeadland adapted some characters she ran in her DND sessions into The Asscolyte. Considering how well she writes, I can confidently say that both in show and tabletop, they sucked.

[@slaapt]

The easiest way to prove Sol did not kill the jedi is that in episode 1 he wasn't allowed to leave because he had to train people. There are tons of people who should have known where he was when Trinity died.

[@finleymorris04]

Plus the witnesses of the murders

[@MajorSmurf]

They also know he didn't kill Torbin either, remember that little council with Mr Mundi? Hell miss Green bean would have known transmissions going to Sol to tell him that Mea is the killer. They were literally discussing the murders... and they know Mea was the killer at that point. The only way to get round that is to say that Sol and Mea were working together which means that miss green bean is incriminating herself by working alongside a known murderer of Jedi. No one's going to ask hey why she is suddenly working alongside a murderer and possible associate of Sol if this was all the work of one man? You would than need evidence of Sol and Mea communicating and suddenly the body is disposed of. His lightsaber is missing? You could check the flightlogs of his ship and times of hyperspace leaps. There is so many cracks in this cover up that a legit child could rip it apart.

[@lordmontymord8701]

Blaming this on another JEDI might be a bad idea anyway. Other force-users exist. You don't even have to say it was a Sith. They even mention the Nightsisters when talking about the coven. Anything would be better than blaming a Jedi-Master that i'm sure many people like, even if there wasn't evidence for him not being the murderer.

[@RyokuKuzu]

This episode proves that the writers are morally twisted. A justifiable case of self-defense because remember spiky-head lady also took on a battle stance before Sol ever pulled out his saber. Attempted murder from Mae to kill her own sister spurred by her own parents to "Get angry." The witches assault the group of Jedi and basically mass-suicide through possession. BEFORE any hostilities they were already mind-invading Torbin. Mae then goes on a murder spree, Smilo mass murders a whole platoon of Jedi Knights and a child because he wants to use his powers with wanton abandon. "You brought her here"? To a mission that they had no idea was even a high risk threat remember they were just trying to contact Kelnacca, so a Padawan in the group is not even some unjustified thing. All of these are supposedly proof of Sol being the worst person ever. OSHA is seduced by the dark side in less than a DAY because she saw Smilo naked, and murders her former Master because he is unforgivable. Never mind that she easily forgave 2 mass murderers and one of which tried to murder her as children too. Then, mind erasing Mae so she cannot possibly justifiably stand trial for her own crimes and then the framing Sol who again had done literally nothing wrong as the mastermind behind it all to hide a matter that the Jedi Order would have no reason to hide. And THIS is written as a good thing, how sweet the sisters love each other, while the music plays triumphantly. We are supposed to find this good. Actually completely sick moral bankruptcy.

[@Phoenix0F8]

You have summed up in words so much of why this show pissed me off. Yeah, she literally just accepts Mae's "Oh, sorry for trying to BURN YOU ALIVE" at face value and has no counterargument to Smilo's absolutely half-baked justifications for why he killed Yord and Jeki. She forgives them effortlessly, but then *interrupts Sol in the middle of his apology and explanation* to just choke him to death because she's made up her mind not to forgive him or hear him out. What a great protagonist!

[@IkarusKommt]

The world literature has many examples of characters betraying their cause in search of truth. If the sisters experience both the good and the evil during the story, it will just make them better.

[@kw9849]

She doesn't even take up a battle stance, she squares up and starts to swing.

[@nont18411]

@@Phoenix0F8 She’s literally Abby. Murdering Joel right after he saved her without asking about the reason he killed her dad at all.

[@wheeliebin18]

So Leslye Headland, makes a show, where all the people that tried to prevent the real bad guys from hurting vulnerable children, died.... and finished with the message that it's ok to cover up everything that's happened...... huh.

[@nananamamana3591]

I wonder what she meant by this? 🤔

[@hassathunter2464]

"write what you know" and she did!

[@KingBuilder525]

I'd make a joke but it's honestly twisted. What an honest-to-God psychopath

[@GeraltofRivia22]

What do you expect from someone who self admitted they most identify with the Sith?

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

So, she's basically admitting to knowing evil, watching evil, assisting and enabling evil, but got away with it. I’m starting to see why she was spared in exchange for Harvey.

[@TessAutomata]

Wait, if it was confirmed that Nazgul Mom was going to turn the daughters 'into the force' and actually disintegrate them, then she was just straight up lying and guilting Sol with the 'I was gonna let her go with you' bullshit

[@BaneofGods]

correct! Several other reviewers have pointed that out, that the nazgul mom was just gaslighting sol with that BS and lying through her teeth. The entire show is just a gigantic clusterfuck

[@RebellionInHell]

You would think if she was turning her daughters into the force it would have a more force ghost blue effect than the scary smoke monster we see.

[@BaneofGods]

@@RebellionInHell it's evil/dark side stuff, so black smoke monster is what she uses

[@Jasper_Silva]

Not to defend this show, but I think she was just gonna smoke one of them and let the one who wanted to be a Jedi go. Still a stupid scene nonetheless.

[@DisplayThisOkay]

@@Jasper_Silva That wasn't going to work anyway. Horn lady was right there and angry. You think if Mother Anus Eye evaporated Mae that the other mom was just gonna let them take OSHA and leave?

[@DarkbeakK]

I miss when I thought Batwoman was bad writing

[@DoffysGlasses]

I'd definitely watch all of Batwoman many times over before I'd want to watch any episode of the Acolyte ever again. I'd definitely take funny bad over maliciously awful any time of the day

[@portalmanHUN]

Batwoman was funny bad. This is just infuriating bad.

[@1990BJK]

I miss when Batwoman was the worst show ever made.

[@DoffysGlasses]

@@1990BJK Hell, I'd go even further back than that: I miss when the Prequel Trilogy was the worst thing about Star Wars. Good ol' pre-Disney days

[@321cheeseman]

I'm... really not sure what you mean. Batwoman has a ton of these _exact same main problems._ - boring and morally dubious main character that can't act in the slightest - vile repeat offender criminals given a pass constantly - ^ especially the one that is the estranged twin sister of the main character who constantly escapes capture via the laziest writing possible - very transparently agenda driven; showrunners clearly hate authority figures and see anything outside "the system" as good - most likeable character (probably by accident) is one of those authority figures played by the one guy capable of acting - likeable authority figures does completely reasonable and justified things that the showrunners believe you will find abhorrent, and is totally unable to say a single word in their defense when confronted over their justified actions The more I think about it, Acolyte is just Batwoman in a Star Wars skin, with more money and less camp.

[@sesameseed746]

Basil is the key to everything. He is privy to almost all Jedi deaths that would destroy the whole Jedi cover-up. He has directly prevented Sol from stopping Mae. Darth Basil has fooled everyone, even the writers.

[@lordmontymord8701]

He later trained a certain Gungan who had a pivetal role in the fall of the Republic and together they waited till Palpatine was finally gone to enact their own plan ...

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

The writers were fooled before the script was even finished.

[@jaydavis8]

You MURDERED my “BEST friends” yesterday I LOVE YOU!

[@Ramsey276one]

YEEZUS

[@pwh1981]

In regards to Osha and Mae: "I think of a man, and take away reason and accountability." At least Headland followed this advice to the letter when writing her two female protagonists.

[@akashajones6079]

​@@pwh1981Using that disgusting quote is beneath anyone who doesn't hate women.

[@jaydavis8]

@@akashajones6079 you must be new here, welcome!

[@DaMaster012]

My first/last/final ex girlfriend was a literature major, and she once told me: "Male literature is; "dragon kidnaps woman, man slays dragon, man gets woman." Female literature is; "screw you, I'm staying with the dragon."" The "why" is simple; there isn't a single woman alive today who isn't the however-many-times-great granddaughter of women who capitulated to and rewarded the barbarians who slew all the men in their tribe by bearing their children.

[@mrsuccorso]

As Thor Skywalker pointed out the other day, there are more than a few Jedi who can refute Venestra's allegation of "unaliving" of Master Trinity and Discount Cosplay Frodo Baggins at the hand of Master Sol, so unless she's planning on some Stalin-esque purging of the Jedi Order, I have no idea how she'll keep an lid on this.

[@Tiavals]

And even if the entire Jedi Order is agreeing with the cover-up, there's lots of normal people, like the bar owner and bar patrons, who can act as witnesses. I mean, the killing must've been a local news, or at least gossip material. Anyone doing the most basic of investigations will instantly find the bar and the owner, who witnessed it with his own eyes.

[@lordmontymord8701]

Hey, maybe that's what will happen. Venestra does a bad Hitman-run, where she tries to eliminate the witnesses and fails to be quiet, so she has to kill others too and so on. The only ones left are people like Yoda and Ki-Adi-Mundi, who are too dense to realize what is going on. And that's the canonical reason why the Jedi-Order in the Prequels had a little bit of an intelligence-problem ...

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

The Shlurpolite Episode 8 Finale: Good Shlurpo becomes Bad Shlurpo and Bad Shlurpo becomes Sort of but not so Bad Shlurpo I think. Ho Lee Fuk the Jedi gets strangled, and we get some epic cameos from Dexter Jettster, Porkins, Watto and Bea Arthur from the Holiday Special. Please fund a season 2.

[@Mr_Bones.]

This comment should be pinned. This show is such a dumpster fire that parody is the only way to cope.

[@nananamamana3591]

You didn't mention the *EPIC* cameos from Glorb in the cave and Baby Yoda at the end

[@Jasper_Silva]

I can't believe Mae got her mind shlurped at the end.

[@gerrade71278]

Most underrated comment right here.

[@mikeoxlong1395]

And if you look closely, you can see Glup Shitto in the background for exactly 2 frames.

[@lordvarrax5060]

I hate that they missed that Smilo Ren was lying in the previous episode- he said OSHA could take his ship and leave, but as soon as she actually wants to do so, he tells her she can’t because he’s already taking it... thus confirming that he is a liar.

[@lordmontymord8701]

She didn't care about him killing friends of her - i think we could give this lie a pass. Smilo's wiener clearly compensated for all of that 😁

[@The_Brickster]

Noticed the Acolyte is such a huge success Star Wars hasn’t posted an actual video to their KZbin channel for a month.

[@jackattacksfilms]

Here's a quote that I think is relevant to the writers of The Acolyte (and other badly written media): “They don't have intelligence. They have what I call 'thintelligence.' They see the immediate situation. They think narrowly and they call it 'being focused.' They don't see the surround. They don't see the consequences.” ― Michael Crichton, Jurassic Park

[@booneh]

As bad as this show has been from the first frame, I’m still gobsmacked that, by the end, every surviving character is outright evil and corrupt, and we’re not supposed to even care. They’re not characters, they’re trading cards and we’re supposed to pick our favorite two and hope they bang.

[@phillrochardt5840]

It's so much WORSE than that, somehow. We're not supposed to not care, we're supposed to CELEBRATE that. Unfathomable.

[@The_Implications]

This shows end is the most incoherent, unsatisfying, unconclusive and uncathartic experience I've ever had.

[@Sand_Dolphin]

I'm reminded of the end of dark souls 3, with that final boss, with that music, and with the ending of letting the flame finally go out. I sat in stunned silence for a few minutes. Coherent satisfying conclusive cathartic, so I know exactly what you mean when you say those things. The show is reverse therapy. I feel bottled up watching this garbage. I feel so bad for Sol.

[@charlesruteal9062]

I mourn for Sol, the tragic hero of a show I'll never watch. His name was Master Squid Game.

[@jacklb4152]

Darth Basil eliminated Kilnecca, he was the first at the hut and Kilnecca's death was off screen. It's clear he's the real phantom menace of this series.

[@lordmontymord8701]

@@moron_on_the_internet You beat me to it. But i say it's clear that Basil has nothing to do with Plageuis: That's another line of Sith which doesn't know about Darth Basil. So he and his apprentice Jar-Jar could later on take control after first helping Sheev in secret to destroy the Republic and then rise once Sheev is gone ... it's a perfect plan.

[@phillrochardt5840]

"Basil is the key to all of this"

[@freedomfromthought8748]

Anyone notice that no one cares about Jeki after episode 6? I thought they wanted justice for her? No? Shipping two evil people is more important.

[@IkarusKommt]

Jedi do not avenge their fallen, and Osha pretty much hates her former friends now, so it's not that big of a deal.

[@freedomfromthought8748]

On that point she’s not a Jedi and she was going to until she saw smilo blade. My point was the hashtag shills online were completely reactionary at the time and if they forgot her they’ll forget the whole show in a week.

[@eidolon1426]

​@@IkarusKommt He said *"JUSTICE"* for Jeki. The Jedi *ABSOLUTELY* imprison serial killers, my guy.

[@amac6214]

I can't believe Lee Jung-jae learned English for this shit

[@SwampGreen14]

Its like learning german to read Mein Kampf

[@Tundra.]

@@SwampGreen14 How dare you. The historical value of that book as an interesting and detailed insight into one of the most infamous and reviled minds of the modern era will last for centuries. The Acolyte is the bad fanfiction of a morally bankrupt woman so deeply burdened with guilt that she burned $180 million to pretend that she's still a good person despite knowingly trafficking young girls to a predator for over a decade. One of them will be a steppingstone of history forever and the other will be swept under the rug in a desperate attempt to salvage the parent company's reputation.

[@tailfin6595]

Rearn Engrish

[@nananamamana3591]

I want to point out that the "the jedi are an order of wacky wizards with unchecked power who arent as good as you thought and they've gone crazy" was Palpatine's political rhetoric to justify the campaign of *GALATIC EXTINCTION* against them -- which parallels the rhetoric of the nazis used to persecute the jews. Lesley Headland, unironically, wrote a story where an *INNOCENT* man *DIES* and is blamed for the deaths of nearly a dozen jedi, where not *only* do the murderers get away, but an innocent girl *BECOMES* a murderer by the end, and wants everyone to believe this is a story about empowerment and liberation -- all to cover up her *OWN* shitty job as a mentor, since the *REAL* murderer was born from her *OWN* mistreatment of her former pupil. What. The fuck. Is this show. Headland said she was drawing from her experience with own sister, and yet all I can see in this script is her experience working with Harvey, mother of god. Also, fun fact, remember when people who tried to defend Ki-Adi Mundi were like "bro who cares lol it's not like it's YODA or anything lmao". Well. Here we are.

[@lordmontymord8701]

When i heared about Leslye saying this is about her problems with her sister around episode 3 i was already wondering what kind of bad relationship those two had, to the point where we saw Mae trying to kill Osha. And now we have them erase Mae's memories ... i'm not sure i want to know what really happened between them.

[@purpleemerald5299]

@@lordmontymord8701Don’t worry about it; her sister can’t remember, either. ;)

[@Sonamyfan875]

(((Hollywood))) is the icon of Sin and evil.

[@Sonamyfan875]

(((Hollywood))) is the icon of Sin and evil.

[@joshuacompton2500]

I would like to ask for Ryan to be on all future Star Wars show coverage. This lineup is fantastic.

[@FantasySportsZen]

Agreed.

[@predatorasap5040]

It's Finally over ..... the pain ...... the suffering We can rest now. Until disney decides to defile the ashes of star wars again

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

The mission...the nightmares...they are finally over.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

I feel like Frodo at the end of RotK, sitting back in Hobbington at the pub with a thousand-yard stare. Just marinating in my sheer disbelief at what I went through.

[@Joe45-91]

Mickey holding the urn of SW ashes with his pants down

[@gerrade71278]

I'll never watch another minute of ANY content connected to Disney Retard Wars. Mocking or otherwise. It is over.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

I remember thinking that same thing when Batwoman ended. And here we are…

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Does it not bother Mae and Osha that Smilo can just wipe 16 years of your memory? When your whole life is people lying to you about important events, a guy that can steal those from you whenever he wants should fq with your mental state. You should be stressed out by what you might not remember anymore.

[@matthewcollins4773]

There are no characters here, who might have convincing or logical psychology; there's only props to be moved around in service to a "plot".

[@gerrade71278]

It's scary to think Smilo can be the Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby of the Retard Wars Universe. Lol. #metoo

[@electricbayonet2]

It’s insane. They casually introduced the ability to obliterate targeted groups of memory with seemingly minimal effort and no preparation. This is one of those abilities that, once entered into a setting, can never _not_ be disregarded. At least the cult’s mind control was conspicuous as all hell. And then there’s the moral implications of basically deleting someone’s personality. You are your memories because they inform everything about you. Frankly, it’s a contrivance that she isn’t basically an infant mentally. Osha was a CONSTANT aspect of her childhood. If everything after age 8 is gone, nearly everything before that should be gone, too. And- -wait, why is she remembering fire? She set that _because of Osha._

[@Tiavals]

@@electricbayonet2 Yeah, it's kinda weird to think what Mae will actually remember. Like, did he just blot out all of Osha's appearances in Mae's memories? Like, the scene plays out normally but she's not there and saying nothing, and Mae's memories are a weird incomplete mess? Allowing her to piece together that something is not right at all. Or did he alter her entire life's memories in an intricate way that created artificial events to replace roughly 70% of her childhood and even adulthood? Does she remember trying to murder the Jedi? Neither Osha or the guy were present in those moments, after all. Etc. You can't just bring a concept like that forth so quickly without explaining in at least SOME detail how it works.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

Wouldn’t being memory wipe of your entire life just make you a vegetable? Or a personality lacking drone?

[@genelearnsenglish4242]

So, Kyber crystal bleeding was first introduced in the Vader comics, released by Disney. The process was shown as a pretty difficult one, especially for ex-Jedi like Vader. This is because the Kyber crystal releases a Force backlash as a response, filling you with the Light Side energy and giving you visions of you being free from the Dark Side. Darth Vader *almost* turns back due to this - only seeing himself asking Obi-wan for forgiveness makes him snap and finish the bleeding. I guess females find bleeding more natural ans therefore easier.

[@yaboiportch]

_I guess females find bleeding more natural ans therefore easier_ 😏

[@superjlk_9538]

I like the idea as something that’s purely ceremonial. It shouldn’t happen in five seconds

[@morganseppy5180]

She was just so MAD. once again the death of a mother turns a jedi padawan to the dark side.

[@-Zakhiel-]

Ok nerd.

[@charlesruteal9062]

Lol at that last line. "Because I do it INFINITELY more than you!"

[@cp-the-nerd]

My wife's cousin thinks this show is really great and "doesn't understand the hate." I had to choose not to engage for the sake of civility.

[@Mr_Bones.]

That’s how I feel when I’m talking to someone who likes Joe Biden and thinks the country’s doing just fine. My favorite tuna I use to buy went from $5 to $9, my company is on the verge of bankruptcy because of insane gas prices, and two wars have started globally.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

i think it would be fun to talk to a person like that. I genuinely want to know wtf they saw. whatever it is was not what was shown but its something potentially interesting.

[@cp-the-nerd]

@@-Azure.EXE- I've talked to him before. His opinion has no substance. He just nods along with my criticism and then it flows out his other ear.

[@Ramsey276one]

Jedi move there...UNLIKE THE SHOWRUNNERS

[@-Azure.EXE-]

@@cp-the-nerd oh. its just a guy being distracted by lights. that conversation would obliterate braincells

[@Phoenix0F8]

All I want out of season 2 is seeing the entire process, start to finish, of Bazil being turned into a rug.

[@Nokaret]

He'd really tie the room together

[@Phoenix0F8]

@@Nokaret The Acolyte is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps

[@hieronymus4120]

I like how Osha doesn't care that her sister killed and took her little droid buddy that she told she loved yesterday

[@heikira438]

Thank you Mauly and Fingold for getting these out so quickly

[@TheSouloftheDragon]

What annoys me is that people are gonna use this show as proof of the Jedi being bad. Writing quality, canon, just substance, doesn't matter. Just 'Jedi institution exist, therefore bad.'

[@Toliman.]

Witch Lives Matter

[@a_fine_edition2746]

It’s the issue I have with TCW. People point to it and go “the Jedi were corrupt and arrogant, see?” And I’m just like, “well… yeah, I guess, but it wasn’t done very well, so I don’t care.” I’m just tired of this “Jedi bad” narrative at this point. It’s been pushed for literally almost two decades now, in basically every expansive material from shows to games to books to comics. Each time they do it is just taking another swing at this horse carcass of an idea that wasn’t particularly fun to begin with. And yet, for all my dislike of the “Jedi bad” narrative, I know that every last one of those pieces of media handled the concept with infinitely more competence than this show has.

[@phillrochardt5840]

@@a_fine_edition2746 These kinds of people HATE the idea of "heroes" and will do absolutely anything they can to desperately pretend they don't exist.

[@therollercoasterdesigner]

Does anyone else realize that even the “protagonist” can’t tell the twins apart? She thinks Mae is killing Sol and doesn’t know her own appearance. What garbage writing.

[@kaykutcher2103]

That tickled my asthma.

[@reignman30]

You'd think her first clue would've how she put on the same outfit as killer she saw in the vision. OMG like no way, me and Mae are wearing the same outfit today .... wait.

[@therollercoasterdesigner]

@@reignman30 OSHA (perfect autocorrect btw) couldn’t even tell there wasn’t an ascension mark on the forehead. What an idiotic turd of a show.

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

_"Impossible, the Sith have been extinct for a millennium"_ 👀🤞 Yoda: 👀💧 Rest of the council: 😴

[@IkarusKommt]

Just imagine somebody from the Senate was watching that council. K.A.M. warns Qui-Gon(?) by implying the Sith being dead are the official version promoted by the Jedi, and basically telling him to shut up.

[@Jasper_Silva]

Everyone who said "let her cook!" enjoy your meal lol

[@talaris-uk]

I got salmonella poisoning 🤮

[@phillrochardt5840]

oh boy arsenic my favorite

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

“The senate knowing my padawan turned evil would be catastrophic.” “Instead, we will tell them a respected Jedi master turned evil.”

[@ChrisWu17]

Why does Venestra have a fancy outfit to meet the senate? Aren't the jedi supposed to live a simple life and not care for their appearance?

[@nananamamana3591]

If nothing else, Venestra has been shown to care more about appearances (especially in regards to the senate) than even the sanctity of life. So, this is consistent with her character.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

​@@nananamamana3591Does anybody know if she was this bad in the book?

[@nananamamana3591]

@@johannesseyfried7933 I have no idea. "The High Republic" project sounded like an ambitious and doomed project, so I can not say how Venestra has been characterized in it outside of her appearance within this show -- however, withing this show, she routinely puts appearances above accountability, justice, truth, and the lives of the jedi she is responsible for as one of their leaders. If this is not consistent with the books, comics, or other media in the high republic, it would not surprise me, either, but one would hope this being the first cinematic outing for "The High Republic" that they would take care in the handling of its characters, such as Venestra.

[@nont18411]

I mean…she framed Sol mainly because she cares about her own appearance so much

[@NoPantsBaby]

"He killed his accomplices" You have witnesses who saw Indara being killed by NOT SOL! Sol literally cannot be linked to the murder of Indara in ANY WAY! Sol was never alone with Torbin. You are stuck with trying to explain away an assassination of at least 2 Jedi Sol cannot be involved with. What absolute TRASH writing. Also no Yoda death scream at the end of this show?

[@kojikimoto]

I hate that they rewrote mind wiping. The ability to wipe the minds of an individual was introduced first in KOTOR when the jedi rescued darth revan after he was betrayed by darth malick during the jedis attack. After the jedi rescued/captured revan it took the might of THREE SEASONED JEDI MASTERS to temporarily block revans memories of him being darth revan so they could use him to hunt down and defeat malick. However, DISNEY being the group of glue eating, highlighter huffing, paint drinking idiots that they are made it an ability that could be used by anyone who was experienced enough in the force.

[@kojikimoto]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/npKmZHyvf8yebassi=b-sgou_wtGVglxbp Story of revan which covers this and much more of revans life

[@TheLewisDawg]

That Headland has the audacity to claim she was inspired by KOTOR 1 and 2 is one of the more infuriating things she's vomited out to the public.

[@The_Friendly_Fire]

Wait is that different in the source material? Cause in the game the mind wipe was an accidental side effect of Bastila saving Revan's life.

[@kojikimoto]

@@The_Friendly_Fire no from what I've seen in the video retrospective of revans life it was the jedi council that mind wiped him though I'll have to rewatch it

[@ElecManEXE]

Yeah, from what I remember Bastilla's link created a way for them to do it, but it still required the entirety of the council on Dantooine to actually pull it off. And the unique circumstances of the link and Revan's weakened state. It was a massive, insanely difficult thing to accomplish. Absolutely not something some rando lone Sith should be doing at the drop of a hat, especially since he doesn't even seem sure he can actually do it. It's not some skill he's been training at or anything, seemingly just some thought that pops into his head from who knows where. Given Headlamp's stated affinity for KoTOR I am pretty sure it was an intentional reference, but like everything else it is fumbled in an absolutely spectacular manner. And is proof (as if we needed any) that she needs to be kept far, far away from any adaptation of KoTOR.

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

Obi-Wan: "That boy is our only hope." Yoda: "No... There is another." [Mog's theme plays]

[@phillrochardt5840]

Only Mog can master the shlurpvergence of the Force and bring balancetism to the galaxy

[@Narcissistic_Penguin]

I'm glad Acolyte was made. Between the EFAP gang's first impression reactions and Platoons in-depth analysis videos... I've had a great couple of months!

[@jknetwork6211]

I find it amusing that people who hate Reylo love Qimir x Osha like that ship is any better. It’s literally the same thing but worse and more rushed. At least Kylo felt conflict. Qimir is just pure evil, murdered Osha’s friends and she didn’t give a fuck cause he’s hot

[@Ramsey276one]

*THROBBING*

[@nananamamana3591]

It's also important to note that Kylo did not kill anyone romantically important to Rey.

[@Ramsey276one]

@@nananamamana3591 Well, he slashed Finn... Oh right, ReyRe doesn't know he exists. XD

[@nananamamana3591]

@@Ramsey276one She doesn't like 'his' kind if you catch my drift, Grandpappy Palpatine taught her some things just don't mix.

[@jacquelineking5783]

If you call conflicted making micro expressions. But yeah that ship was stupid and so is this one.

[@pancakes3224]

An unbridled rage, MauLer please! :)

[@maskeddog2077]

Mauler making videos? Have you lost your mind?

[@yaboiportch]

There are people who watched this show all the way through and went legit nuts for the Darth Plagueis cameo. It's disturbing.

[@patrickdoss25]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="65">1:05</a>:08 What Ryan said is absolutely true. There are so many bandwagoners into geek culture: everyone now likes Star Wars, everyone now likes video games, everyone now likes anime, etc. I remember getting teased for liking this stuff now everyone claims they like these things and has a reaction channel because they see how it gets clicks on KZbin and they don’t have a single understanding of the product they’re watching. They just consume and are happy when keys get jangled in their face on screen.

[@r.e.z9428]

They gave Sol the Joel treatment, fully justified in his past actions but not allowed to explained because the writing is shit.

[@DaMaster012]

Glad I'm not the only person who noticed.

[@lordmontymord8701]

I wouldn't call him fully justified, even though i love the game. If Ellie was asked if she want to go on despite her dying, she would have surely said yes (even if she wasn't exactly in the right mind to make that decision, survivor's guilt and so on). What Joel did was clearly something that was more morally ambigious. Which is funny considering that in The Acolyte the writers clearly think Sol is the bad guy, even if he isn't. That being said: Abby wouldn't have listened anyway, because she was full of hate. Just like Mae, who hated the Jedi for many years. Osha on the other hand liked Sol, so she should have been the one wanting to understand why he did it. This was clearly not a "i killed your mother and i liked it, lol"-situation. So even from my perspective this is just shit.

[@r.e.z9428]

@@lordmontymord8701 Im not so sure. If Ellie would have said yes, I think Joel would have let her go. The problem was, the Fireflies were going to kill her without her consent or knowledge. They lied to both of them then bushwhacked him and left him for dead. My man is jusitifed, he was saving a innocent girl from death. I also can see your take and can say you put more thought into it than the writers. Even then, it can’t work because the writing is that bad.

[@nont18411]

Soel

[@lordmontymord8701]

@@r.e.z9428 Yes, it's very likely he wouldn't have intervened if Ellie agreed to the operation. But the point about Joel was that he didn't let someone get close to him after the death of his daughter. But the trip with Ellie changed that. And he wouldn't let her die like his daughter, no matter the circumstances ... I also don't think the Fireflies are presented in such a negative light. According to what Marlene said they only realized they had to kill Ellie in order to get the Information they needed AFTER Joel brought her to the hospital. Could be a lie, but it makes sense. And Ellie clearly meant a lot to Marlene. She didn't want to wake her up and let her make that decision because that would have been even more horrible - for both of them. I'm not saying the Fireflies were right, but it was a tough situation for everyone involved. Killing Ellie and maybe find a vaccine/cure or do nothing and hope they will find some other way, even though it hadn't happened in years?

[@callumpears1523]

So weird that they portrayed Smilo as a goodman in this episode

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Leslye thinks he's not a bad guy because he just wants "freedom" and the Jedi want to take that freedom away from him. Seriously.

[@callumpears1523]

@@BiggieTrismegistus well, he is human after all

[@kaykutcher2103]

​@@BiggieTrismegistus How dare they restrict his freedom of commiting unspeakable acts because his teacher expelled him from space school. This show, honestly.

[@TokyoXtreme]

Should be Sol goodman.

[@UnendedGalaxy]

What peak Star Wars it must be to try to make two murderers sympathetic when they are still being as evil as they set out to be, and lack any of the redeeming qualities altogether.

[@knight-radiant4565]

Sitting here 2 hours before the premiere giddy waiting for Ryan to witness Creepy Cave Goblin Plagueis. As a fellow fan of that novel, I can’t believe this is how he’s introduced. But it’s Disney, so off course Plagueis is just more key jangling

[@Arko777777]

Wait, you're telling me that you're not happy that an intelligent character that earned the title of "Wise" through his great wisdom and feats was reduced to a spooky looking cave goblin? You must hate woman or something.

[@lordmontymord8701]

They already had Smilo introduce himself by giving a speech and then igniting a lightsaber to look imposing - so they were out of ideas for Plagueis.

[@Bthakilla4rilla]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the cave goblin?

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

"He could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create... life. For some unholy reason, he referred to this process as "gooning". The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural."

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

@@FriendlyDarkwraith You just made me read “gooning” in Palpatines voice. F*ck you forever lmao

[@archangelmichael1678]

With Jedi blaming Sol is very much like when Lesley blamed everything on Harvey. As if she didn’t have a hand in it too

[@vonpredator]

How the coverup is bullshit: 1. the barkeeper knows it was a OSHA/MAE, 2. the Jedi that was with yul when OSHA was arrested 3. Bazel 4. The "local jedi temple" security and the fat Padwan 5. etc... lot's of people are going to have to DEI.

[@MajorSmurf]

Don't forget it was Miss Green bean sending transmissions from the temple to Sol about the murders... she's the one known to have reported to him about a break in with a person matching Osha's description... so how you going to explain that one away Miss Green Bean? There was that little meeting in 3 about Mea right? Are all those Jedi also going to need to disappear as well... oh wait one of them was Mr Mundi... HAHAHAHA!

[@TheNoonish]

Even if you somehow ignore all of that: The Senate was informed that Vernestra had been keeping a murder investigation quiet. Meaning, if the Senate now knows, it's 100% public information. Meaning it's impossible for the Jedi Council to not know about it. What will happen hours after the events of this show is that the Jedi Council is going to initiate a full investigation of everything Vernestra has been doing because you can't imagine they're happy she's hiding things from them. Ki Adi Mundi comes in as a witness and tells them that the she organized the outing to Khofar to hunt for Mae, with Sol taking Osha there. And he would have to know the context and that Mae had a secret Master who was teaching her, "A splinter order or something worse." And now they have one of the twins and no sign of the other twin, so the jedi have to investigate what happened to the missing one. This cover up is going to fall apart in 2 days at the most.

[@reignman30]

Well lucky for them, the only detective in the entire galaxy is on the show Andor and right now they have him doing clerical work in the basement because he was too obsessed about trying to solve the double murder of 2 nobodies at some bar.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

This can all be explained quite simply if you actually watched the show: because the plot said so.

[@vonpredator]

@@chazzitz-wh4ly Oh! You’re right! Silly me! 🤪

[@aquapendulum]

So now that we're at the finale, is it fair to say definitively that the worst character assassination in this show is Vernestra? I know many of us don't care about this character but for those who do, the High Republic era fans out there, you guys should get MAD at Leslye Headland for her handling of this character. For those who don't know, here's the context: Prior to The Acolyte, the last time Vernestra felt she had some responsibility in failing to prevent a major tragedy (a crime syndicate crashed a whole space station on the planet she was posted on at the time), she f*ed off to a remote place of the galaxy, cut her hair short (yes, Vern has hair in the HR books and no, she didn't SHAVE though I bet Headland thought the books meant Vern shaved her hair lmao) and focused on meditating for a while. Well, in this show, when she arrived on Brendok, she felt the presence of her apprentice Qimir there (aka the main villain of the show) yet didn't feel compelled to investigate the murders of Jedi any further after her group found Sol's body and Mae. No attempt to publicly uncover the extent of her responsibility in failing to train Qimir and instead crafted a coverup story just to hide her culpability in these deaths. In fact, I can make the case that this has become so in-character for Vernestra that Qimir - the apprentice who knew her very well - bet on the chance that leaving behind Mae for Vern's group to find would work. That's enough for Vern to craft her coverup story, that's enough to stop the search and that's enough for him to escape. I'm not invested in this era so I only give a damn as far as it impacts the prequel era. But High Republic fans, you understand what this means right? Your girl used to take responsibility, but now, in an attempt to dodge public accountability for her failure to train the first known Jedi to fall to the dark side for thousands of years, she is as a result responsible for the Jedi Order not finding out about the plot of the Sith before Phantom Menace. If this is not the worst character assassination in this show, who is? For those who similarly aren't invested in the HR era as me, there's some value in recognizing the fact that incompetent Star Wars show creators starting to pulverize their own Disney-branded materials is the result of them running out of legacy characters to hand down that treatment.

[@nont18411]

Throwing someone else under the bus in order not to be held accountable for her own actions. That’s how people failed upwards in Hollywood.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

@@nont18411 Wife of Leslie, after all...

[@lulukomadori9651]

the worst character assassination is still luke, no one but few who read the high republic stuff will even care for her cause most fans watch the shows/movies

[@aquapendulum]

@@lulukomadori9651 Yeah well, Luke is already toasted among other legacy characters so now it's the stage where Disney creators have to pull from their own materials to ruin.

[@petriew2018]

eh, you can't really assassinate a character that's already being memory holed. The entire 'high republic' idea was on the way out even before they released this show because nobody gave a flying fuck which, honestly, makes the existence of this show even more bizarre. The setting is dead on arrival because Disney already decided it wasn't worth continuing before the first episode even aired.

[@stephenlanuto5993]

The only two worthwhile things that came out of this show: 1. The hilarious crazed cuckoo laugh during the coven ceremony 2. Mewbschlie saying " the power of one too many"

[@lordofpills]

Another stupid thing about the lightsaber turning red would be during Revenge of the Sith. Remember how Anakin was literally, LITERALLY about to kill children and the lightsaber was still blue? Or when he massacred the Tusken Raiders in Attack of the Clones? Or when he force choked Padma, his wife?! The lightsaber was still blue! ...I honestly want the writers to keep digging a horrendous pit. Screw it. What else is there to ruin? No really, what else is there?

[@mbob4337]

Osha's hand should have been burned off. Because there's a giant hole for the blade energy to escape. Also, it has no safety features to not allow it to work. And it worked fine some how. All because they wanted the blade to turn red. Which makes no sense to begin with. I also love how Mae was able to throw a Saber to hard. It dented metal. And broke the Saber. Is this where She-Hulk ended up?

[@phillrochardt5840]

oh GOD, don't issue them a challenge! I shudder to consider what world-ending horrors of retardation are still left to spin into 6/7-figure episodes of internetelevision...

[@lolno3906]

So here we have a story where one chick is just straight up murderer, her twin gets corrupted and becomes murderer in what is most likely four hours by a guy who is a narcissistic mass murderer, and Jedi master who covers her own skin by blaming dozen murders on a good man. The story is so reprehensible and stupid that the crew forgot to point out the most obvious thing in all of this - did Sol just drop dead? Is that the explanation? What did Venestra told the investigators?

[@nobody2996]

And I'm assuming that the Senators who don't trust the jedi and fear the jedi having unchecked power are just going to trust Venestra's conclusion. "What evidence do you have that Sol murdered everybody?" "I sensed it." "A piece of evidence that only a jedi can verify; perfect."

[@Nokaret]

​@@nobody2996How do you know? A feeling.

[@nont18411]

Anyone with the right mind would think that the Jedi murdered Sol and got rid of his body to cover up their crimes

[@silastipton9982]

There comes a time in all forms of media consumption

[@nananamamana3591]

"When you come upon the work of a villain. Not metaphorically, or rhetorically or poetically or theoretically. I mean, you have just consumed the work of a villain. A person so fundamentally morally compromised that their story, their art, what they've contributed to the medium is nothing less than a celebration of human wickedness. This does not necessarily make the work poor quality, but, it does make it inexcusably, undeniably, catastrophically *bad...* ... Thankfully for us, the acolyte is also abysmally shit, so let's get into it, shall we?" - Mauler, from "The Acolyte is the Worst."

[@FeatherRanching]

That old Tolkien quote keeps coming around again. Evil really cannot create at all. It's impressive how derivative this show manages to be, even as it misses the point of everything it's stealing. I'd like to hear Leslye lie to a jury. I have the feeling it would all be stupid, but she would think its smart.

[@silvergrove8517]

I have a strong feeling it will be like seeing Amber Heard testifying during the Depp trial.

[@Starphx]

You guys commentary is like science fiction theater 3000 for the modern age. It's great you guys make the show entertaining. i could not watch it otherwise.

[@sparkycjs]

Good point!

[@tailedgates9]

Sol. A good natured, kind and dedicated jedi gets his name dragged through the mud for trying to save a child. And 3 murderers get away scott free.....What else needs to be said for how these writers think......

[@sankharaYT]

Finn: REEEEEY! Rick: COOORRRAAAAL! Sol: OOOOUHHHHWSSSHHAAAAHHHH!

[@luisgustavo6117]

Ethan: SHAAAAAAAAAAUNNNNNN!

[@TheNoonish]

Jacob Kane: Whachabringme?!

[@sankharaYT]

@@TheNoonish Best final 1.5 seconds of any video out there. Sometimes I watch EFAP TV only thinking of getting to see this micro clip once more. :D

[@Jasper_Silva]

Mae: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

[@sankharaYT]

@@Jasper_Silva Sol: OWWWWSHAHHHH! Osha: MAAAAEEEEEEE! Mae: SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!! Kirk: KHAAAAAAAAN!

[@reignman30]

Andor established that they have detectives that go out and investigate things. Andor killed 2 nobodies at a bar, and the whole show was about hunting him down and sending him to prison.

[@dunderminnet]

If Smilo can just wipe memories, why didn't he do it before? Also if Mae escapes accountability because her memory is deleted, then can't smilo delete his own memories of killing jedis for a free get-out-of-jail card? This memory deletion power is just LAZY WRITING.

[@sol-hunter2332]

It took multiple jedi masters to wipe memories in kotor... seems headland forgot that bit.

[@nananamamana3591]

@@sol-hunter2332 You're implying Headland, or anyone she worked with, has interracted with any aspect of star wars outside of the marketing.

[@lordvarrax5060]

She actually has, unfortunately. She wants to make a Kreia show.

[@MajorSmurf]

Hell he could have done it to Osha at any time after kidnapping her to make it easy to corrupt her by pretending to her friend. Guess that ability wasn't available yet. He didn't need her with memories. Imagine she forgets who Sol and Mea is and Qimir takes her along and when Sol or Mea attacks Qimir, she constantly jumps in to defend him because he's her friend. This would lead to confusing Sol and giving an opening for Qimir to strike him down. She can still turn to dark side easily through slow manipulation with Qimir telling the truth that she just killed her teacher.

[@8Dataman8]

​@@MajorSmurfWow. That actually makes sense. Why is every idea in the comments better than what they actually did?!

[@austinsultenfuss7661]

I really hate when major plot points can only happen by having characters deliberately misunderstanding each other.

[@charlesruteal9062]

Ah, EFAP. They consume armaggeddon states, and get excited for the next armaggeddon state, so we won't have to.

[@Arko777777]

Maybe Disney was Unicron all along? Only he can inflict psychic damage of this magnitude directly to our brains.

[@charlesruteal9062]

​@@Arko777777Then the question becomes: is EFAP Kirby or Boogie? Will they have the strength to end the torment?

[@jamesb.russell2942]

Wtf is an Armageddon State? The nation where Armageddon occurs?

[@charlesruteal9062]

@@jamesb.russell2942 Look up "Calamity Hell"

[@phillrochardt5840]

@@Arko777777 "Apocalypse Inducement" lmao. I'm never going to get over that, ahahaha

[@ryanmontgomery9749]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="642">10:42</a> I'm sorry, but the way Mauler says "Basil?!" here is sooo fucking hilarious! It's like he's confused, betrayed, angry, and disappointed all in one go. XD

[@johannesseyfried7933]

"Basil, how could you?! You were supposed to repair the ship, not destroy it!"

[@jroggs85]

Two more things about "Officer Sol discharges his firearm into the innocent minorities" scene: One, Witchmom wasn't just using a "mysterious unknown power," she was using powers that were established to subdue and harm Jedi, as she did with the Tommen mind-rape before. Blaming Sol for seeing this use of powerful dark magic again and quickly using deadly force to stop it is like blaming the police for shooting someone during an armed stand-off when someone pulled out an object that looked exactly like a gun but was actually their daughter's custom asthma inhaler which just happened to be shaped and painted like a Glock-19. Two, the one who initiated the violence was Hornymom when she suddenly raised her spear and aimed it at the Jedis' throats. Even if we're supposed to believe that Sol was completely out of line by misinterpreting the Nazgul child disintegration (and I sure as hell don't), what are we supposed to with THAT? Pretend that Hornymom was just offering the Jedi a shave? This is probably the most critical scene in the entire series, and what they wanted to do shouldn't have been all that difficult, but they still completely blew it. The only thing we have to look forward to with Star Wars is the day when Disney sells it to someone else who decanonizes the entire past decade.

[@hoppie8693]

I am really confused. Is this show actually a peek into the moral framework of the people who created this? If so, that is fucking terrifying.

[@lordvarrax5060]

EVERY work is a reflection of the ones who made it.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

There's Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, and Chaotic Evil. This is Stupid Evil.

[@bedroombunny9529]

This finale is unbelievably insulting to the audience in a show that was already an unbelievable insult. It's the same shit as Captain Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They don't want you to actually pay attention to what happened on screen, they want you to listen to the music to tell you how to feel. We're supposed to feel happy for Osha when she strangles Sol because he killed her mother and the show insists he's somehow responsible for the death of the whole coven. What did we actually see? Jedi monitoring the planet for a phenomena in the force, they come across a cult of force users, they investigate and in doing so one of them gets mind-fleemed and they believe the girls are being mistreated. Then, when they realise that the cult has been lying to them they go back to get the kids and find that the place is burning down. They go inside to try and help the children and are met with outward hostility, including another Jedi Master being mind controlled by the cult into almost killing his friends and allies. To rescue that Jedi from mind control, it results in the unintentional deaths of the entire cult. This is the most cry bully behaviour I think I've seen in a show.

[@8Dataman8]

Very well summarized. Don't forget the mom trying to kill her daughter when presented with a threatening situation and then gaslighting Sol about it.

[@DaMaster012]

It's worse persecution porn than God's Not Dead.

[@alidaraie]

"You have to do better Master Yoda"

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1912">31:52</a> I’m reminded of God of War 4, in which (Spoilers) In which Baldur chokes his mother Freya at the very end. Kratos rightfully recognizes this as a vile action and judges Baldur as worthy of death. As Mimir states, despite the problems Freya caused, “The world’s a better place with Freya in it” because the alternative is *OBVIOUSLY EVIL.* Nah, but here we have the power of women. Women can do no wrong, right?! Screw Sol doing the right thing and still trying to atone for the fallout of *doing the right thing.* This show’s morality is just… well, it’s peak Hollywood.

[@wheeliebin18]

**Cough** Leslye Headland getting some therapy out in the form of this show **Cough**

[@possiblepuzzles8137]

I wish a good character just popped up and did the same move on Osha 🤣 "the cycle (of bs writing) ends here, we must be better"

[@NickMK]

The Otter thing was like "I cut the brakes! WILD CARD BITCHES, YEEEEHAW!"

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@Chirishman343]

He's playing both sides, so he always comes out on top!

[@unfortunate_1]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="647">10:47</a> Ryan with the "Bazil is like Charlie Kelly the Wild Card" had me dying! 🤣🤣

[@zak7an2]

#JusticeForSol

[@elyrienvalkyr]

​@@pbradics3670wow thats kinda racist. Just because the man is Korean and doesn't speak english

[@nont18411]

@@pbradics3670 Still not as creepy as Smilo Ren though. Dude literally kidnapped a girl to his secluded planet then showed her his junk but because he’s hot while Saul’s not so it’s “flirting” for him.

[@zak7an2]

@@pbradics3670 he never explains anything because the writers want their characters to think he's wrong. He "peeps on a child" by looking into the room where all of the witches are gathered? And do you seriously think he meant love in a romantic way? Do you think Obi-Wan was in love with Anakin when he defeated him on Mustafar?

[@joesmutz9287]

Tried to protect innocent children, always fought in self defense, the only halfway decent human being. Betrayed by the writers preventing him from saying it #JusticeForSol

[@ThumbShovem]

Ah yes, Darth Plagueis the Wise. He who was so wise and powerful that he'd creep and skulk in the shadows like friggin Gollum, yep.