TOYOTA Is FACING DISASTER as Sales PLUMMET Across the Board

[@fistswithyatoes]

Toyota’s push towards higher prices are killing their sales. Plain and simple.

[@ralphcantrell3214]

Everybody's push towards higher prices is killing everybody's sales.

[@wagyu_killer]

not in this state economy.

[@indycharlie]

And BS Turbo's !!

[@ralphcantrell3214]

@ MAN, I hate turbos! They're just cheap, artificial horsepower at the expense of an engine's longevity if you ask me.

[@wagyu_killer]

@ hear melts the platstic parts no need to be an engineer

[@wsurfer2147]

$28K for corolla ? That's why sales are down.

[@soccersprint]

Those dealership fools were trying to price Corolla at 35k . I laughed so hard and walked out.

[@RobertBrown876]

That Corolla fully loaded would be 18k and Tacoma fully loaded should be 25k

[@joelv4495]

Yup. I remember when an XLE Camry was $28k

[@meatwad74]

Even though I’m not in the market. Ironically I got a text from Toyota today for first time that the Corolla le is marked down to $19k

[@luckyguy600]

paid more than that for a 2023 Corolla Cross up here in Canada. Itisn'tt driven much, butit runs good/lean on gasoline, and all I really need at 74.

[@ChristopherWalkenActor]

Prices went through the roof and reliability went down the toilet.

[@iluvutube4886]

That will do it!

[@JimmyTheGreek2000]

Quality went down also, the new COROLLA CROSS and YIARIS CROSS (Both SUVs) Both cars are full of plastic inside, no leather to be feltanywhere ... The HYBRID is the only good option! Also, MAZDA made the MX-50 Hybrid using theToyota system used in the Prius, and the MX-50 sells for less!

[@philpryor7524]

Bullshit from a celluloid fake.

[@philpryor7524]

A celluloid fake recites a script. Today, Toyotas as mentioned here are manufactured in the USA, the prices, supply, attitudes, costs all relevant, so down is the direction. My old Japan made Corolla is excellent, plain, reliable. Being accurate and realistic helps here. Many comments here are about USA dealer attitudes, poor and argumentative.

[@MJA5]

@@philpryor7524attitude is latitude, bro. US is a huge market for Toyota

[@quebird3108]

I asked a dealer to show me a new 4-Runner. They refused! They said all are already sold before they arrive and I couldn't see a sold one. They went on to say I would need to provide a down payment and order one to see it. What garbage! Of course, I left.

[@brianallen4657]

They don’t have any 2024s left and 2025s are still undelivered. The 2025s are going to be scarce for awhile I would guess as they will either be pre-ordered or picked up right away. The price is likely to be sky high for the foreseeable future.

[@highlanderNC-mr8fe]

I went to a Toyota dealership and test drove a camry. I was trying to decide whether to buy a Camry Accord or Forester. I went to the other dealerships at least twice because me and my wife (at the time were in our 50's) could not make up our mind. The Honda and Subaru places were very polite and encouraged us to keep researching and take test drives. When we returned to the Toyota dealership they got really rude. The manager comes out and said they would let us test drive it this time but if we didnt buy it then dont expect another test drive. We opted for another brand. Rude arrogant and entitled people.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

Toyota can't buld the cars fastest enough to support all the demand. 9 of the top 10 best selling models are all Toyota's

[@andrewschliewe6392]

@@brianallen4657 If you think Toyota prices are high, you are in for a surprise, Toyota's are some of the least expensive cars out there.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

@@highlanderNC-mr8fe So you blamed the car because what the dealer did. And it never occurred to you to just go to another dealership?

[@artallmon3773]

I hope Toyota is listening to the posted comments.

[@luckyguy600]

maybe

[@Slammingutz]

Toyota is probably not listening. Greed has a way of making rich people and corporations deaf and blind. Vote with your money and tell your friends and family to do the same.

[@TURBOINTEGRATYPER]

They couldn't care less. They lose 5 customers while they gain 20 more

[@123jac]

They do not care, I have been through many issues with Toyota and I complained, and they said someone would contact me, but no one did.

[@TURBOINTEGRATYPER]

@@123jac You think the big 3 are any different.?

[@kmp9232]

Prices are way too high. I don't even want to stop in and look.

[@ihop4no14]

Seriously. I get insulted the couple of times I visited Toyota dealers. I ended up spending a few thousand more and just got a Lexus. They're still affordable and you get quite a bit more like rain sensing wipers, automatic seat adjustment when entering/leaving the vehicle and more.

[@peterkauss5852]

And if you have to wait over a year for delivery for the model you’re after, forget it.

[@chrismiller8943]

Lexus is a Toyota brand. When you buy Lexus, you’re buying a deluxe Toyota.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

If you think Toyotas are expensive, you really haven't looked at the whole industry. Cars in general are all more expensive. Toyota's are some of the least expensive options out there.

[@gwapogreg5837]

Sales are down because no one wants a turbo truck and the new trucks are a disaster.

[@toorop111]

All I see is a sea of greed coming from Toyota !

[@commonsense6611]

I think they are mostly coming from Toyota dealerships. Toyota itself gives MSRPs. Afterwards, dealerships add markups and add on options that inflate consumer costs way beyone advertised prices, typically hiding these until you are at the dealership. This is why no one really enjoys buying a newer car.

[@AndSan-n7q]

And the quality is going down hill

[@TheConservativeKid]

@@commonsense6611exactly. Without any markups Toyotas are already overpriced and the dealerships still gouge you

[@ernielaw]

Toyota has always hogged the market.

[@luckyguy600]

lots of plastic that shares every model right up to the Crown!

[@krazeekalvin]

I wanted to buy my wife a Rav4. However, the dealerships wouldn't work with me. So we started looking around and ended up with a Subaru Outback and were very happy with it.

[@keithswindell6212]

Same here, but we did it 5 years ago. Toyota dealer was "take it or leave it", Subaru dealer wanted the business. So we bought the Outback and saved $9K. No regrets.

[@leoy5314]

I was looking at replacing my 2017 Outback with a Camry. Didn’t realize the Camry are only hybrids with the 2024 model year. And my other possibility was getting a Tacoma, but they are only 4cyl turbocharged. Both the Camry and Tacoma are a pass. Looks like I’ll stick with a Subaru, but a Crosstrek for my replacement.

[@joeferreira5686]

Look at the CX 50 ice. The hybrid is good but the Toyota system in that car makes it noisy.

[@CowboyPants-h5p]

We had the opposite experience. We walked out of the Subaru dealership when they refused to removed floor mats and wheel & tire insurance on a cash sale of new Outback. We got a Honda Pilot instead and love it. Screw Subaru.

[@AlexAlex-gs1xh]

@@leoy5314 u should look at the forester it is larger than the crosstrek.

[@credokpadenou485]

A lot of Toyota users shift to Mazda because it is more affordable.

[@mchowdy22]

the quality is much better. cx5 gang gang

[@TheConservativeKid]

And honda

[@RobertBrown876]

They need to make Toyota Tacomas fully loaded for 25k

[@seethingsclearlyawaken3424]

Yep, and Mazda is every bit as reliable as Toyota. Mazda has always put out a good product, except when it was linked with FORD.

[@TheConservativeKid]

@@seethingsclearlyawaken3424 the only Mazda that sucks is the mx30. Other than that model, Mazda is definitely a go to brand

[@garyfernandez8513]

Put the V-6 back in the Tacoma. I’d buy a six without turbo before I’d buy a four banger with one.

[@stevenphillips3466]

Thats why I bought the 2023 Tacoma ( new ) while I still could . I heard that they were going to a new 4 cylinder turbo in 2024 . I wanted the V-6 . Ill NEVER buy a 4 cylinder Tacoma ( unless is a 22R older truck )

[@TURBOINTEGRATYPER]

Don't blame Toyota, blame emissions requirements set out by the government

[@charlessmith6506]

No blame toyota other brands didn't go stupid

[@LancelotLink1]

Same with the Tundra twin turbo V6. I want a new V8 in the Tundra.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

They can't, the US government emissions and fuel efficiency standards make that impossible. All to combat the fictitious Climate change and to promote EVs.

[@mrcnorth7149]

Toyota ditched all their principles. They used to be inexpensive. Now they are super expensive. They used to cherish Quality, Durability, and Reliability, now they let the customers beta test all the new vehicles. The new Tundra, Tacoma and most likely the 4Runner are outrageously expensive, and have tons of issues... Goodbye Toyota

[@horseathalt7308]

BAM! You hit the nail on the head! Toyota now is no better than any other mfr...STOP buying them.

[@Slammingutz]

💯 agree. I wonder if Toyota executives actually read these responses from their loyal customers? Well, they aren’t loyal customers anymore…😂😂😂

[@horseathalt7308]

@ Their MBAs should be fired. They forget that the only reason they have been so successful is because customers trusted the brand. Not anymore.

[@TURBOINTEGRATYPER]

@@horseathalt7308 Lol enjoy terrible reliability and huge resale drops from the others

[@Bufford2024]

Yup. The accountants and greed execs killed their own golden p,aged goose. Now they are ...b goosed. Well played. 😂

[@jwalka534]

They asking to much for Corollas....ridiculous 🤣

[@derek1147d]

Buy Hyundai or Kia.

[@AndSan-n7q]

They used to be great but now there turning into chevy

[@mchowdy22]

corolla used to be a 15 k car.....not anymore

[@ernielaw]

@@AndSan-n7q I always liked Chevy better than Toyota

[@Yakomoe]

I love my corolla 😊

[@horseathalt7308]

DO NOT BUY THESE MODERN CARS IF YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE TO! ALL current mfrs are making poor quality, over priced disposable junk today! Keep what you have if is it reasonably reliable and maintain it. It's a way better deal.

[@melissasmess2773]

Driving 2001's 😗👍🏻

[@horseathalt7308]

@@melissasmess2773 Thanks for the reply and support. Maybe if their sales go down enough the mfrs will change their ways...

[@3-DtimeCosmology]

My 2005 Echo runs great!

[@mrnt1257]

And they spy on you.

[@KP50-oj6ce]

no desire to buy a over engineered, overprized computer on wheels pretending to be a car...!

[@mchowdy22]

toyota owners are flocking to mazda

[@mindfullymellow2323]

Zoom-Zoom! And Mazda loves ‘yota defectors 😂.

[@TURBOINTEGRATYPER]

Lmao

[@TinoMiller]

Who also has shares in Mazda .. They are still buying Toyotas

[@patriotone755]

Toyota quality has gone way down…no longer the top reliable vehicle. Prices are too high. And no longer the gold standard is 💯 spot on.

[@DEVUNK88]

maybe but what is better? A ford? lol

[@patriotone755]

@ another brilliant reply. 🤣

[@mvalido1126]

Toyota, like all of the other manufacturers, got greedy. These price hikes are completely artificial now and not sustainable.

[@DAVE-THA-PLUMBER]

💯

[@CZRkg]

"Elevated prices"... This is gotta be the most gentle way to say Toyota has been ripping off its customers. 🤣😂🤣

[@cecilsharps]

toyota made the fatal mistake of going from reliable and boring to boring and unreliable.

[@TheConservativeKid]

Most of them are still reliable, just not the ones with them turbo engines and the tundra

[@soccersprint]

When did they become unreliable?

[@luckyguy600]

it came with the new boss.

[@cecilsharps]

@@TheConservativeKid tell that to people that bought a gr86, tundra, corolla. they get a choice of a car that is flammable or a car that the transmission grenades itself in under 1000 miles. I've driven a toyota since 1994. I know a little about the brand.

[@cecilsharps]

@ january 20th 2021

[@RobertPace-qz3bt]

Let’s see… you castrated your pick up trucks. The engines are blowing up and you raised the prices.

[@kenyattaclay7666]

I’m old enough to remember when Toyota (and Honda for that matter) offered quality at an economical price. The main reason why they rose to prominence was because in the 70’s while a lot of American cars looked great they were trash under the hood and got like 9 miles to the gallon on a good day. When you add two different oil crises in the decade people went to Toyota because they were affordable, reliable and got good MPG. Now they aren’t affordable, their reliability is still decent but nowhere near what it used to be and they don’t really offer any real advantage in MPG. I tried looking for a RAV4 Prime and when you could find one it marked up 5-10k over sticker.

[@verapena9465]

Exactly ❤

[@StripedTurkey]

Very well said, bullseye 🎯 !

[@3-DtimeCosmology]

I love 70's Toyota's

[@subaruamazon]

they are still marking cars up? i thought that was gone.

[@dogsarefun2]

bought a Mazda CX-5, best bang for the buck.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

how do you figure? yes the bare bones base model is $1700 cheaper than the Rav4 but the top trim package Mazda is $2,000 more than Toyota.

[@dogsarefun2]

@@andrewschliewe6392 Built in Japan, non CVT tranny, has a tranny dipstick for checking, insulated glass for quiet ride, heads up display (not sure if Rav4 has it), nicer interior.

[@louisstennes3]

Here is what Toyota does not get. Many young men, say in there low to mid 20's would make enough to afford a new Tacoma in the high 20's and low 30's and then as they made more money their next one may be a TRD PRO or even a Tundra, They were Toyota folks for life , the same for young families. Those trucks and cars have disappeared from the market as you need mid 30's for a Camry and mid 40's for a Tacoma. Not only have they lost the newer younger generation but even the mid to older generation. I am not too smart but I know "basic" economics.

[@Slammingutz]

You nailed it buddy. I appreciate smart people like you sir. You have a good head on your shoulders. 👍🏼. Listen up Toyota.

[@louisstennes3]

@@Slammingutz thank you. That is one of the nicest things someone has said about me but I believe thousands and thousands know this from life experiences and I just commented about it. thank you! Can I show this to my wife? HA!

[@andrewschliewe6392]

News flash but the US Government doesn't want people driving pickup trucks because its bad for the environment.

[@subaruamazon]

id say that is spot on. camrys used to be 26k not too long ago.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

@@subaruamazon Pretty much everything was a lot cheaper not too long ago. And even for the 2025, the Camry is $28.7K which is approx a 10% increase.

[@Jay-j6m2l]

Price gouging at the dealership is what’s going on and people are buying other vehicles.

[@KnightXV]

Overpriced and less reliable than before ✔️

[@NYCAnthonyV]

older Toyotas are way better than newer Toyotas. I'd take a 4th Gen 4Runner over a new 4Runner any day.

[@mindfullymellow2323]

💯 Put both kids in pre-pandemic era Camry and Corolla. Near bulletproof reliability.

[@muthergoose4084]

I agree. Got a 2024 4Runner l. Old ancient terrible gas mileage and I LOVE it as I know it will last me years and years.

[@mindfullymellow2323]

@@muthergoose4084 - awesome user name - do you have the need for speed? :)

[@tombray3169]

Also 2013 corolla more durable

[@NYCAnthonyV]

@ smart choices

[@WyLEE08]

Toyota has left me STUNNED! Identify me as “market loss” simply no longer the value stand out I grew to know. 😢

[@garywanner7860]

My next Toyota will be a Mazda.

[@stuartstuart866]

We went looking for a new RAV4, but with all the dealer mandatory add-ons and dealers not willing to negotiate, we walked away. Sooner or later there will be a big market correction, then we’ll try again. In the mean time, our 2009 Honda CRV only has 191,000 miles and runs perfectly.

[@jibberjabber-fm6pb]

we found a new nissan sentra advertised for $20500.we pounced on the deal with no addons.

[@donnaluvcats8074]

I drive a 2009 Honda CRV EX-L love my car but I know I need a new one in the next couple of yrs. I am gonna wait this thing out as long as possible. Prices are insane and I don't want a turbo engine and I don't need or want a Hybrid. I am retired and don't commute it would do me know good at all....

[@krugcpa]

I had the same experience. So I continue to drive my RAV4 with 170,000 miles.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

Geez, educate yourself on what is mandatory and what isn't. But yes, Toyota dealership aren't willing to negotiate because if you don't buy that vehicle, someone else will. Vehicles at Toyota dealerships are only there for like 2 weeks tops before they are sold. For Toyota, it is a seller's market. If you want to negotiate a great deal, you need to look at manufacturers where their cars aren't selling like CDJR.

[@subaruamazon]

07 camry 154k. will never knock a honda. would have bought an accord but this came up. change the oil every 5k. i am down to 4k. wave at dealership as you drive buy. crv's are great.

[@17forever64]

I tried to buy another Toyota about 6 months ago. Every dealer I contacted wanted over 5k over MSRP. The dealer mark ups were absolutely crazy. They would all knock a small amount off the MSRP and then add the 5k mark up after you made the deal, it’s seems criminal. This is coming from an over 30 year Toyota buyer. I bought a new VW Jetta. I could not afford anything else. I will never buy another Toyota again!

[@JW-iz6mv]

For the money the Jetta has been hard to beat for the past 10 years

[@17forever64]

@ I have not had one since I bought a Jetta in 1990. It was a good car then, I had no issues. I hope this one is just as good. I had forgotten how much I like the interior of a VW and the firm seats. I’ve averaged 48 mpg over 7k miles too. No issues so far!❤️

[@caryg4638]

The dealers became hooked to those pandemic profits, and the manufacturers got hooked to the profits that could be made by constraining/tightening the supply, and it resulted in lower supply and msrp in a market of high interest rates and a plethora of other options. Toyota should have awakened to this sooner; this could cost them dearly, especially as brand loyalty is so important.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

You know you can tell them to take all that extra stuff off.

[@subaruamazon]

07 camry 154k. i dont know if i trust vw. Id say under 100k you should be ok. after that not so sure. they are a blast to drive.

[@davidc6341]

25 years, all Toyota. Not wanting turbo, 4 Cyl, less warranty, double digit price rises, dealer charging double for repairs. Bought KIA Telluride, had it one year. What Toyota used to be….like it lots!

[@dallasbrat81]

Wow I hope it lasts

[@Magsbravo]

How’s Telluride? Any issues? Maintenance?

[@davidc6341]

@@Magsbravo no issues, runs well. Have to change oil at Kia, otherwise 100,000 mile warranty does not hold.

[@Magsbravo]

@@davidc6341 ah thanks for the response man! I’m torn between Telluride and the new 4Runner

[@davidc6341]

@ New 4-Runner, turbo only, 4-Cyl only. Engine ‘whines’ when pushed. Buy one before turbo, used are going more than these new ones, as less people are buying the new 4cyl.

[@hperez3025]

A new $65k Land Cruiser only comes with a 4-cylinder turbo. That's ridiculous! No way am I paying that much for small motor. A 6 cylinder engine should be standard for that much money.

[@GJP1169]

Toyota got fat and lazy just like the big three in the 70s and 80s .

[@travelwithdands]

Drove Toyota for 20 years. Here in GA, the distributor sticks crap add-ons on every vehicle. Take it or leave it. So, in 2023, I left it. Bought a new GMC Canyon. Love the truck. Major upgrade over a Tacoma.

[@TheConservativeKid]

That’s actually pretty ironic because the gmc canyon is proven to be one of the most unreliable trucks sold in America. Of course, not everyone will have the same experience. That’s great that you’re having a good experience with it. It proves that just because it is said to be unreliable doesn’t mean it can’t be a good vehicle

[@ElectroAtletico]

Toyota wants +$50K for a Taco. I'll take a pimped out Nissan Frontier for $42k. Toyota wants +$56K for a Sienna. I'll take a pimped out Honda Odyssey for $45K. Toyota wants +$70K for a POS Tundra. I'll take a pimped out Ford F150 for $48K

[@verapena9465]

❤ Toyota but prices too high ,slipping on reliable vehicles

[@tr7287]

Trust me, no one is going from Toyota to Hyundai and Kia.

[@lilred1107]

In your mind maybe, but it's true, the Koreans are taking over market share mainly from the Japanese, get with the times.

[@muktaphotos3584]

Last month, I started my search for a RAV4, hybrid or non-hybrid, could not find one with the features I wanted without waiting for weeks. Not to mention the high asking price. Went with the CX-5, got a great deal including the loyalty bonus. In less than couple of weeks of buying CX-5, did a private sale of my 20 year old Mazda 6. Toyota lost a sale.

[@subaruamazon]

camry here. mazda seems to be the new toyota.

[@Bluewater-42]

Every time when I walked in then all I see was Market Adjustment with 20% above msrp....Walked straight out! Moved to Honda and Acura instead.

[@davlogic]

Same here Bluewater, wanted a Tacoma but they were 1K over MSRP so I got a Honda Ridgeline under $1,300 MSRP and very happy with it, in fact bought the spouse a Passport and my mom a Honda minivan.

[@anhlam4]

it's the dealership markup. Lots of dealership are selling Tacoma $2k-$4k under msrp

[@milwaukeekid7340]

I’m gonna stick with my 2005 Honda Civic. 250,000 miles and it drives great.

[@ajcan89]

Hondas and Toyotas are super expensive with horrible interiors. I would prefer Mazdas or Nissans instead

[@PHOTOBUG89]

Some Toyota dealers are still charging Market adjustments that is why.

[@chrislitw3911]

Im a Toyota guy but they have gotten to pricey and reliability has slipped. Mazda has taken some sales from Toyota and Nissans frontier on the truck side

[@ParminderSingh-qn7tr]

Toyota prices are ridiculous and technology is meh. i have a new grand highlander, so many errors in infotainment system car play will time out every 20-30 mins it's a mesh and quality is not there anymore in interior

[@alvinsimba734]

Is your CarPlay wireless?

[@bjsimon802]

global inflation, printing of money. This is happening all over the world. Nothing is cheap anymore anywhere

[@TheConservativeKid]

Toyotas are usually very boring as well. With how much they charge, they should make better interiors and just a funner vehicle to drive

[@bjsimon802]

@@TheConservativeKid drive the new camry is not boring at all. I have driven alot of german cars, and they are best driving machines, but my toyota's have been solid car with their unique driving experience. It is like guitars, cheaper guitar still can be better than expensive guitar worth $5000.

[@alvinsimba734]

@@TheConservativeKid interiors were never a concern for them. Most salesman at Toyota have said safety is their main priority

[@garfieldirwin]

Prices are trending upwards which is starting to dampen sales but to suggest Toyota is "struggling" is ridiculous. Compared to all the other manufacturers, Toyota is doing just fine overall. Toyota nailed the market by focusing on hybrids while turning their backs on EV's for example.

[@sptrader6316]

If Toyota prices at your local dealer are too high. Change dealers, even if they are out of state or your local area. I tried to buy a Rav4 at my local dealer and they wanted $2k Over MSRP, I found a dealer 350 miles away, that sold me the Rav4 well below list price but also delivered it to me at no cost. Shop around !

[@NCOLON7545]

Where is this dealer located?

[@andrewschliewe6392]

Also, dealers, not just toyota will add on stuff to the msrp, alot of which you can tell them to take off.

[@subaruamazon]

sold cars in college. i keep telling people to expand their buying radius. if you have to fly from FL to st. louis to save 5k, why wouldnt you do it?

[@smurfette603]

Doesn’t help when they’re putting tiny engines in the Tacoma and Tundra

[@peteradely885]

Long time Toyota owner. Local dealer, Glen Motors in Fair Lawn added a $2000 $3000 added on price. Our family drove to Pittsburgh PA to buy at sticker. Now I'm MADD at local dealer and avoid them. They will wake up. I also drive a 2020 Lexus RX-350. Look at KIA and Hyunday engine problems. YES, huge warranted with issues being posted. Not ready for Korean cars.

[@alumniduck]

Toyota used to have pride and bent over backwards to deliver a product that everyone wanted and at a good price point. Unfortunately, pride turned to greed and toyota morphed into the big 3 American companies in the 80's. Reliability is way down and so is something called value. The engineering on newer vehicles is laughable. For instance, no one wants to remove the front bumper to replace a headlight. Whomever thought the new oil filters was a good idea should be flogged. As a consumer, I demand value. I want longevity and low maintenance. Toyota is no longer listening to me so I am going to have to look elsewhere. Oh and guess what, I wont be buying a 4 banger turbo for a truck or SUV. Lastly, if you want me to buy a toyota, it is going to be made in the U.S. or Japan.

[@dondon8398]

now they bent the customer over

[@rampar77]

Most consumers were turned off by 4 cyl turbo engine.

[@luckyguy600]

I wouldn't touch it.

[@ArthropodSpidey]

Most people are actually buying Hondas. Honda reported sales are through the roof.

[@alanbiancardi2531]

Maybe. How much did they have to discount those sales

[@k.a.5283]

@@ArthropodSpidey Honda is a great product, and they do discount well. I had the new Pilot discounted at $6,000 off MSRP. CR-V $4,800 off MSRP. Accord $4,000 off MSRP.

[@ArthropodSpidey]

@@alanbiancardi2531 probably less than Toyota will have to discount the Taco to stop them from piling up at dealerships. $54,000 for a 4 cylinder turbo.

[@computerweenie]

You name it and I've probably owned that brand. I've had over 30 new cars in the 55 years that I've been driving. I've never been able to purchase a Honda because sales managers at the dealerships in PA, VA and MD are focused on making the absolute top dollar for them while not bargaining with you. Every single car and truck either has 2500-3000 dealer installed options you don't want or they just slap a sticker on the window of the adjusted market value. I've done very well without a Honda so far but if I ever run across a stealership willing to deal, I might buy one.

[@ianking8197]

A simple matter of over supply trading on historical reliability

[@PineBeltAdventures]

My local Toyota dealership wants $45k for a base model Rav4.

[@Ryan2022]

What??? No way

[@k.a.5283]

Northern California? Maaaaybe TSRP for RAV 4 Prime, maybe. Most likely a $4,995 markup. This dude posts his videos from a fantasy land.

[@seethingsclearlyawaken3424]

You should laugh in their face! Come to Florida and buy a RAV4, these dealers are full of them.

[@luckyguy600]

Walk away.

[@peter_shadow7559]

Puerto Rico, 35K for a Corolla Cross base trim.

[@NoamPitlick-bg8kw]

Sabaru just took the top spot away from Lexus/Toyota in Consumer Reports.

[@JohnDoe-1000xt]

CVT junk

[@jnate5887]

Always bought Toyota, not anymore. Costs too much and no regular v6. Dam shame

[@Anomize23]

Same here no way I am paying 50 K plus for a 4cyl. People are smoking some serious stuff for a small engine like that.

[@dreambuilder1975]

No more dealerships.

[@bjsimon802]

the Free market works, apple gouges regardless. They get more than what a dealer would make off product. Free market works with supply, the global men are causing the supply issues.

[@drewdevon2009]

has nothing to do with it. the msrps are too high

[@andrewschliewe6392]

then petition to change the law.

[@Motorhead-bv5lu]

I have a 2007 Toyota Corolla and it’s an absolutely wonderful car…completely trouble free since I’ve owned it

[@comment6864]

Toyota should put spare tires back in ALL its models. Not having one is just dumb

[@Oldcarnut63]

Yes, as I said in the other comment giving you less and less every year but charging more and more ridiculous

[@andrewschliewe6392]

Adds to the cost and weight of the vehicle. Car makers are doing what they can do to not get fined by the US Government.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

@@Oldcarnut63 That's what happens when you have 3 years of massive inflation. Thx Brandon.

[@p165711]

Went to a Toyota dealer 2 days ago. They had virtually nothing Toyota on sale, But they did have many Korean cars.

[@JohnFielding-e3r]

I tried to trade my 2020 Toyota Avalon hybrid limited in excellent condition 59113 miles fo a 2024 Toyota RAV 4 SXE hybrid at MSRP and was offered wholesale price for my trade so I went to KIA and traded for a 2025 Sportage SX prestige for a $2000 lower MSRP and I got a $5000 rebate off the MSRP and $5500 more for my trade and the Kia has many more options and safety features. I had purchased 9 Toyotas from this dealership in northern Kentucky but that was my last Toyota

[@dougn2350]

Your new Kia has the 2.5 Smartstream. That's one of the best engines Hyundai/Kia currently offers. Just be sure to to do 5000 mile oil changes and you'll get a long life out of it.

[@JohnFielding-e3r]

@ I always change my oil at 5000 miles it’s cheap insurance

[@orrinkelso9295]

Not seeing an oversupply problem in SOCAL. Camry's are being sold before they get to the dealership. I bought mine about a month before it arrived at dealer. I did get a $2300 discount on it though. Which I was very happy about.

[@FG-hw5ep]

The Toyota dealer where I live sells them so fast they can't keep new vehicles on the lot. The only way to get one is to order one and wait for it to arrive.

[@sigma_X_infj]

Same, been on a waitlist for a little while now for the new 2025 Highlander

[@JohnDoe-1000xt]

ai generated BS post

[@RolandAdams-h4m]

I went to a Toyota dealer in Schaumburg, IL in August. I asked for a Camry TRD V6. They said they only have hybrids. They were making fun of me, saying things like "are you going to race it, or what?". I got Infiniti Q50RS instead. I'm never going to buy a Toyota. They are assholes.

[@anthonypeterson428]

Hybrids are much better.

[@Glenn-gd9iu]

Still driving for eighteen years a 2007 Matrix no issues .

[@daviddodd7632]

When consumers can no longer trust the manufacturer they stop purchasing the product. In my case, Toyota sold me a 21 Highlander that had an inherent defect in the transmission. Even when I took my car in for an unknown transmission problem, they did not tell me about the warranty extension that was about to expire. My transmission is now in need of replacement at $7k and is not covered due to being over mileage. My family has owned about 10 Toyotas. This will be our last!

[@subaruamazon]

write to the president of toyota usa. see what happens.

[@vsevolodsemenov6786]

Will I buy Tacoma with 4 cylinders engine? No.

[@Funkydood]

I went the Korean way!!! NOT even looking back!!!

[@josephkelleher8820]

My 12' Altima has been bulletproof from day 1. I have owned my car since December 2011. Still driving my car with the ORIGINAL CVT transmission. Change the CVT fluid every 2 years and it will last.

[@TheConservativeKid]

Or every 50k miles until it gets older, then change fluid every 30k

[@magnoliap5824]

Awesome

[@Tanjman_]

My family is growing and I need a bigger vehicle, I explored all option and went with putting an order in for a Sequoia 8 seater. The dealership tried to sell me a tundra, really hard. He offered $10,000 off MSRP and I told him I’m aware of their issues and I don’t want one haha

[@RobertBrown876]

They need to make Toyota Sequoias fully loaded for 35k

[@666dynomax]

@@RobertBrown876 lol, you cant get a 2015 for 35k

[@fram4246]

it's ridiculous. Now, the new Sequoia starting price is $62,000

[@RobertBrown876]

@fram4246 it should be 35k max fully loaded

[@johnsmith-bk4ps]

And no real room for a big family going grocery shopping, also on the west coast lithia owns most of the deslerships and they are scandelous. Im looking at a suburban, at least then we can go grocery shopping

[@davinp]

The Korean automakers Hyundai & KIa are not as good quality or as reliable as Toyota. However, they offer some features that Toyota doesn't. Toyota has been slow to adopt new technology. They were late in the game with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay while other automakers had already offered it. Also, some don't like Toyota is charging a subscription to use features like Remote Start

[@kenyattaclay7666]

Toyota’s reliability has gone down significantly over the last several years. They are living off of the past & the Korea twin’s reliability isn’t as bad as people think.

😂 I usually want a car to get me from a to b, entertainment and add ons don't come into it!

[@MattScott-zz7ix]

The real problem is that they aren't smart enough to know that the more cars you sell, the more you make. They will not come down off the sticker price.

[@caryg4638]

Not really; low supply coupled with sufficient demand gives the ability to raise MSRP. And they got away with this during the pandemic and made record profits with lower inventory and supply, but that won't fly in an economy of high interest rates, ever higher prices for everything else, economic uncertainty, and more competition from other brands. Ironically, the lower supply is likely to be helpful in a market like this, where you aren't guaranteed to move as many cars, but dealership greed with the add ons will be the nail in the coffin.

[@MattScott-zz7ix]

@caryg4638 the point is, if you sell the cars for less you will sell more.l sold cars your idea that they can't build more cars is ridiculous.

[@caryg4638]

@@MattScott-zz7ix when did I say they can’t build more? I don’t think I wrote that. I think I implied that they won’t build more cars because they are trying not to be caught with a lot of cars on dealer lots in case of a slowdown in the economy; that was the initial reason. The side effect was that it constrained supply when there was high demand, allowing dealers to sell every car that was made, and sell at a market adjustment: everyone except the customer was happy, and it is what has made dealers so high off of these market adjustment prices. They don’t want to go back, and manufacturers like Toyota don’t really want to go back to high volume production when they have to just give incentives to dealers to sell them, cutting into their profits. I don’t think anyone is stopping them from producing more, but they have had an incentive, until now, to produce less and just raise prices.

[@caryg4638]

@@MattScott-zz7ix also, I agree that volume selling with lowered prices is the way to go in a market that is not dominated by high demand. I too sold cars, and the very thing that frustrated me was that dealers would hold onto cars at MSRP and fight customers instead of giving them away for less and just moving more cars and more volume, which would just give them more allocation so they could rinse and repeat. It is a strategy for potentially selling more cars and making more money. But the Covid experience in the pandemic, really change the paradigm, and when manufacturers have an incentive to produce fewer cars, no matter what, then dealers allocations will also fall, so the domino effect will be that they will either raise the price or sell the cars for less like the old model and just have to wait for cars to come in. I guess they feel that they would be leaving profit on the table. So it’s a vicious cycle.

[@MattScott-zz7ix]

@caryg4638 l think that they are trying to set up a bailout, and I hope our government is smart enough to say no

[@jamesbecker578]

I have a 2022 4Runner with a 4-liter V6. It was such a perfect car, Toyota decided to fix it. For 2025 the 4Runner has a 4-cylinder engine with twin turbos. Then the geniuses in the ivory towers decided to raise the price by $5,000.

[@subaruamazon]

07 camry. Id say early 20's are the last of the greats. if something happened to my camry, id go with a 00 to 17. wont walk into a stealership if you paid me. 00 01 and 15 to 17 are supposed to be great.

[@jamesbecker578]

@@subaruamazon I also have a 2022 Camry LE. 2.5L 4-Cylinder gas engine. I average about 40 mpg. Car is fast and handles like a sports car.

[@mr.controversial9114]

Over stock is simply not true, Toyota dealerships don’t have any of their popular models available brand new on the lot anywhere at this time the demand us higher than they can keep up with brand new toyota vehicles often sell online before even hitting the lot so ur statistics on available new Toyotas are completely false and their safety and reliability score along with depreciation scores have not wavered either maintaining the number one and 2 spots in both categories still.

[@winc06]

And they just look so old fashioned. Why go into debt to buy a new car that looks like your old car? People are just making do with what they have.

[@chuckwalla2967]

Toyota dealers are still selling out all the popular models, though. What gives?

[@HabibJohansson]

Exactly. Fake news.

[@sigma_X_infj]

Been on a waitlist for a little while now for the new 2025 Highlander. Just like this video here I can make a video as well about Nissan, doesn’t mean it’s true though.

[@TheBobinVA]

I don't think your numbers on Toyota are accurate. I have 6 Toyota dealers within a 50mi radius of me and none of these dealers can get cars, i.e. Camry, RAV4, Crown, etc. When they get cars they are sold before they hit the dealers lot. What I've been told by 3 of these dealers is that Toyota has cut production and some other dealers say there are part shortages. Whatever the reason, there are few Toyota cars to be had in my area and some of these dealers are owned by large auto corporations, meaning, they should have clout w/Toyota and be able to secure inventory especially if sales are low as you state.

[@dallasbrat81]

Toyota is artificially limiting product to keep prices higher since covid

[@seethingsclearlyawaken3424]

In my area, the dealership lots are over-flowing with Toyotas. There are a lot of new TOYOTAs, but not many customers inside the building. Too funny!

[@FFOGHORN]

Dealerships hide inventory to make customers think there are shortages. Buy a car and it magically arrives early.

[@dallasbrat81]

@ I tried 3 mths to get a Toyota then I went to Acura and found it same day

[@Dac54]

Here in the Las Vegas area, the new vehicle sections of the Toyota lots are filled mostly with Tundras and Tacomas. Good luck finding Rav4s and Corolla Crosses in any configuration. The same goes for Camrys. Since my 2018 Rav4 Hybrid Limited has only 46,300 miles and is fully paid for, I won't be selling or trading it in anytime soon.

[@DEVUNK88]

everything is overly complex and overly priced I literally just want a car that is not a collection of computers

[@Blakefan2520]

I was recently in the market for a Tacoma. I went and looked at them. No head or leg room particularly in the rear seat. The colors are boring (silver, white and other ugly colors I can't describe). Inside was hard plastic. II was shocked at the high price. Then I saw they were made in Mexico. These were all a deal breaker for me.

[@carlospresvot1873]

The issue I have with Toyota is the dealer markups make no sense. Why the manufacturer allow this is crazy. Also new style vehicles don’t get any special financing. My self I have a Lexus but looking to getting a Mazda suv because of better apr on financing and discount .

[@oceanlover3530]

And those Mazda’s look good too!✌🏻

[@AbhijeetGirmal]

even though I wanted Toyota, I had enough with Toyota Dealers. Take it or leave it attitude , compulsory additional equipment charges feels like legal atrocity.

[@MasonSwick-qx3jb]

Shame on Toyota for losing focus.😡

[@nameblocked]

The fanboys will not be pleased with this video

[@brianmclean7576]

4 cylinder with a hybrid and a turbo added on is a concern - tundra had engine issues - high $$ coupled with subpar designs & weak economy - result less sales

[@chrish4865]

It is real simple, lower prices. Very similar to the housing crash in 2008-2010.

[@eponz4354]

Last year around April , you could go to any Toyota dealer and find the whole used lot full of 2018 to 2021 tundras and tacos with all the bells and whistles. By July the used lots were full of 2022 to 2024s. Even the sale guys say the new stuff is junk. My next buy will be a Nissan

[@jp23x]

lol meanwhile no toyota dealership will sell me a prius prime at a good price.

[@chadmanl2121]

Took my 2019 Tundra in for an oil change and noticed all the Tundras in the showroom are $70k! I paid 42k for my V8 limited brand new just 5 1/2 years ago.

[@bobsmythe2490]

Hyundai, Kia, Ford are junk. I'll stick with my '18 Highlander, '15 Camry and '08 Sienna. I wore out my '98 Corolla. Someone already owns my next Toyota.

[@Norden_king]

Meanwhile in Canada its a 9month to 2 year wait... 😮

[@dougn2350]

Toyota is recommending 10k mile oil change intervals now. The engines will fail long before the owners are used to them crapping out. Some will fail by 150k where as they used to go 300k

[@andrewschliewe6392]

Please, Toyota sales are not plummeting, they can't make the cars fast enough with all the demand. Toyota has about a 21 day supply of cars.

[@Ryan2022]

No one wants EV junk. Otherwise very good video.

[@kenyattaclay7666]

EVs continue to rise in market share and have had the highest year over year sales for the last several years than any other segment. Ford just reported a few day ago that Mach.E sales are higher than for the ICE Mustang and GM had a record year in EV sales. Rivian also reported higher than expected sales for the fourth quarter and higher sales than expected for 2024. Even Scout Motors has reported that they have over 50k reservations for vehicles that are t expected for two more years. You might not want an EV but saying that nobody wants one is just ignorant as hell.

[@TheConservativeKid]

⁠@@kenyattaclay7666people want them but evs are taking the car industry in the wrong direction. Evs are one of the main reasons why all of these brands are so concerned about fuel efficiency, so they make these tiny engines with turbos. Those engines don’t even save much fuel and the reliability of those engines are horrendous. It’s worth the normal engine

[@ignacioottati2597]

That is not the case in Canada. It is the complete opposite.

[@tommorgan1291]

My 12 year old Grandson figured out the problems. Something Toyota Executives apparently can't. What does he claims is the problem? Four cylinder truck engines and forced to buy only hybrids. And poor fit, finish and over all quality.

[@douglaskaye1395]

I just purchased a 2025 Crown Signia Limited for $47,110 on a list price of $55,799. This is saving of $8,689 off list!!! Still expensive but way better than full price

[@ralphcantrell3214]

Toyota certainly priced me out. I'm looking at other options.

[@ric12-o2k]

My local Toyota dealer still is marking up RAV4's by 5,000.

[@andreagostini8306]

Toyota has been way expensive. With couple of extra dollars we can purchase a luxury brand. Instead a Toyota

[@TheDesmoto]

If I could replace my 93 pickup I would but the new crap just isn’t the same. Tacomas are bigger which I don’t want and the bed is stupid small. Then there is the price, they can keep em.

[@donniee.2238]

How are sales "plummeting" when there is a shortage and wait for so many Toyota models?

[@vanessad.2625]

Oh man, I'm lucky I got my 2016 Rav4 in 2019. I love that car so much, as of January 2025, I have one payment left, which will be February, and then my car will be mine forever! I'm gonna drive that thing until the wheels fall off. It's crazy that the brand has gotten so bad, hope Toyota gets it together.