Everything in TLOU 2 is Joel's Fault! | EFAP Highlight

[@DaddyDynastic]

You gotta love how the game just pretended the vaccine was a sure thing they could have definitely done instead of their last bet with a very real chance of failure This is completely ignoring the context that the fireflies as they were presented in the first game were violent anarchistic knitwits who wasted their resources and Manpower skirmishing with the military instead of maybe backing up the person who was supposedly transporting Humanity's Last Hope It just pretends Joel had no reason not to have faith in them And it also pretends Joel definitely killed every doctor in the operating room despite him only canonically having to kill the one that charged at him It's like the game itself is Firefly propaganda

[@caseyhart4999]

I swear literally the only leg the pro firefly people have to stand on is that Neil Druckman tried to step in and like the word of god declare that the fireflies would have in fact been successful despite the overwhelming evidence to suggest the contrary. It’s actually kind of pathetic.

[@013wolfwarrior]

The dogtags of their dead is a collectable that how many they loose on a dialy bases, they suck

[@Laxhoop]

“Revenge is never right”, the people who said this after this game came out are the same people who shout “punch nazis”, and will not see any irony in these two stances when it gets pointed out.

[@hosaepalvin9795]

i think the person you just made up is just a person you made up.

[@lusasedoux479]

@@hosaepalvin9795 Strange how I've seen and met this seemingly made up person several times in my life, and many others have as well, and this made up person is actually several people! How wild is that huh? ♣

[@dylansepper]

​@@hosaepalvin9795 sounds like something someone who said "we should punch nazi's" would say. Trying to backtrack an argument and pretend it didn't happen is just funny, especially when most of those people still unironically still espouse and agree with that claim. Go some where else, where they might buy your BS.

[@eldenflame7877]

@@hosaepalvin9795 You'd be suprised.

[@theliato3809]

might need a better analogy.

[@Laxhoop]

My favorite part about this game was when all of its defenders kept saying how the message of “violence bad” was so valuable, and then in the next breath, they would defend the game by showing how they played it like DOOM Eternal.

[@nhagan001]

One side has you fighting demons summoned from hell (or in the case of Eternal, I guess you go to hell). The other side wants to say “violence is bad… mmkay?” Both seem to be capable of dismembering and putting holes in their opponents in various ways.

[@señorniñato]

Something I've always hated about "non-violence" messages is that they always villainize the player in as extreme a way as possible. They think that if we kill a bunch of NPCs just to gain experience it makes us bloodthirsty psychopaths.

[@cdubsb3831]

It's a good time when you can get past the moments the game wants to pretend it's a good story.

[@randomusername3873]

As if "revenge bad" isn't one of the most overused themes in fiction😂

[@GunFuMasterHS]

Ludonarrative dissonance? What's that? A lesbian is crying. Feel bad, gamer.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Joel did nothing wrong. JustWrong finds a way.

[@DarkJak337]

@@cthulhucrews6602 Nah, he didn't. That's the thing, Joel didn't have any way of knowing their chances of success, and when you know even a little bit about how hard it is to produce even preventative vaccines, they basically had no chance of synthesizing one. Granted, that would come down to writing, but it still doesn't address the many problems that come up even before the Fireflies theoretically succeed in this venture. They lie to Ellie, implying she would survive the process. So that's super evil right from the quick. They don't even treat Joel with the basic courtesy of allowing him to be there, or even just talking with him about it. Dude literally did something that would have killed 99 out of 100 people(and nearly killed him anyway), and he doesn't even get a thank you. No matter what angle you look at it from, the Fireflies were, and are an evil organization, even in TLOU2. They're just not good people. Joel is morally ambiguous, but saving Ellie from them was the right thing to do.

[@mariokarter13]

@@cthulhucrews6602 In modern day we don't have a single viable fungal vaccine, and the world of The Last of Us is 20 years behind us technologically. It was a Hail Mary attempt by the Fireflies doomed to failure.

[@solidshake12]

It's Joel's fault that Boogie got his tipples twitted.

[@HectorLopez0217]

Rose: That’s how we’re gonna win this not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love Rags: Mfer we’re fighting a war here!

[@sekijokes451]

And in Part 3, somehow, Joel Miller returns and is revealed to be the true villain named "Last of me". From there we discover that the cordyceps are actually the good guys and simply want to instill world wide mushroom communism via lovebites but people keep misinterpreting their actions for some reason like in the Acolyte. Ellie tries to kill Abby again but is luckily stopped by Abby's father who comes back as a Cordycep ghost riding atop a Zebra and after convincing Ellie that she's the chose one she and Abby team up and form "The Last of Us" and defeat Joel Miller before he can ruin anyone else's death ever again.

[@CrystalPrelude]

... I won't say I'd buy a game about that. But a comic? Yes.

[@DaddyDynastic]

It's so jarring hearing the forgiveness over revenge idea being pushed so adamantly and consistently by who are typically some of the pettiest, most vindictive, and immoral people on the planet

[@wingedhussar8552]

It’s because they are like Abby deep down. They want to take their revenge and still be seen as right, while anyone who retaliates against them is in the wrong.

[@garbearfar1394]

@@wingedhussar8552 you must turn the other cheek when I slap you and any retaliation is unjustified in their minds

[@a.r.h9919]

Pure projection by people that claim virtue but are some of the most resentful, spiteful and vindictive They are pretty much religious fanatics or cultists given turned to the other face just that instead of the bible is twitter and Marxism

[@nont18411]

They should stop pushing the message of “revenge bad” and instead push the message of “don’t be an asshole or else those that you wronged will come after you”.

[@sheridanmovieguy]

It's simple: they want to be able to do everything and no one else allowed to do anything. It is always "rules for thee but not for me" with these people.

[@TheOneAverageJoe]

everything ever was Joel's fault. how dare he teach Norman Osborn how to make the goblin tech

[@Theendman42]

How dare he coach A-dolf H-Man how to turn most of a population against another population!

[@MangetsuSAMURAI]

Joel was the second gunman on the Grassy Knoll.

[@theliato3809]

Joels real name was Joel Chill.

[@gabetinsley4540]

Joel is something of a scientist himself.

[@Theendman42]

Joel is in charge of KZbin, he removed my reference to his involvement in a certain German leader's rise to power 80+ years ago.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

Joel was never wrong. His choice was grey and you could see both perspectives. The problem was the 2nd game trying to act like he was all bad all the time 😂

[@DiscoFinalBoss]

The same people who criticise his choice would do the same thing if they were put in the same position.

[@SolidSnake240]

Facts bro

[@chrislaurent1137]

@@DiscoFinalBoss Besides, the Fireflies were gonna kill him anyway once he gives them Ellie.

[@SolidSnake240]

​@@chrislaurent1137Yup. it was self defense. joel wasn't just gonna let them kill him either way.

[@ZMCFERON]

Oh, you don't believe the science after dozens-hundreds of prior test subjects? Elly, your surrogate daughter, could have been the cure! 😂

[@lusasedoux479]

I was just rewatching EFAP 99 too, where Internet Historian joins in and wrecks this stupid fuckin game some more. Frankly this game isn’t hated enough for my comfort.

[@Rebelnutt]

It was nominated as the game of the year of 2020 that should say it all.

[@xenn4985]

You don't hate TLOU2 enough. You think you do, but you don't.

[@lusasedoux479]

@@xenn4985 I never could, I never will. Such capacity is beyond human limits.

[@lusasedoux479]

@@Rebelnutt How infuriatingly black pilling that was, to see the rest of the great games get passed over for this steaming pathetic pile of trash.

[@Jack-uy7ie]

EFAP 99 has a meme that always takes me back to EFAP 93 LOTR with Cinematic venoms take, which then reminds me of his redemption arc and that is still a better character arc than anything offered in that fecking game.

[@denkerbosu3551]

Reminder: the fireflies are incompetent and greedy terror - ists.

[@jimmyjohnson501]

Joel should have never created the One Ring and pulled the lava lever.

[@ggrarl]

"Why do we even have that lever?"

[@randomusername3873]

Joel directed the Rings of power

[@tjjordan4207]

The game is trying so hard to make us sympathetic towards Abby and the Fireflies that they literally have to either ignore or retcon that they were going to kill an innocent girl to make a vaccine that had a near zero chance of being made (because fungus and all), not to mention the limited medical tech they would have had to do it. But here’s the thing, if the Fireflies were aware that Ellie would have gone through with the cure and be willing to dead for it, then they should have woke her up and to say her goodbye to Joel. That would have prevent Joel from going rampant and kill everyone to get her back. Because in his mind, they’re taking a little girl hostage, not waking her up to ask for her opinion, not allowing him to say goodbye, and they’re clearly so desperate that they are at the point of being delusional. But the reason why they didn’t wake her up was because they feared maybe she wouldn’t want to go through with it once faced with the reality of actually doing it. Why else wouldn’t they wake her up to say goodbye or even give her the choice?

[@SolidSnake240]

Even worse imo is the "wounded puppy" angle they took with Joel. He didnt once stand up for himself or defend his decision whenever Ellie dug into him over what happened in part 1. I get that he was somewhat conflicted due to Ellie's feelings on the matter but I hated how she treated him and he just took it up until he was killed.

[@nont18411]

Joel Batman (Suicide Squad game) Master Sol All done dirty

[@nickfitchner3218]

Seriously! Fuckin stick up for yourself bro! You have a really good reason for doing what you did! It wasn’t just Joel either I hated what they did with Ellie. I just can’t buy that she would be THAT pissed with him that she would basically just cut him off from her life.

[@DMAN99]

I think that’s just a part of feminist leaning writing; The man knows that the woman speaks the truth and that he is wrong, he therefore cannot argue or defend himself because he knows he’d just be lying. This is why most of the time when they actually have the man respond, they just give him a line that doesn’t actually refute anything that was said, like Batman in SSKTJL. Regardless, the woman gets to walk away with the “win” and the man is left to stew or in some cases, die.

[@SolidSnake240]

​@@nickfitchner3218100%, Ellie's character took a major hit too. I get that she'd be upset but to be as angry with Joel as she was just didn't feel genuine at all.

[@SolidSnake240]

​@@DMAN99Perfectly said bro. I noticed that about the writing almost immediately

[@CrimsonHound84]

If "Part Two" was such a monument of the gaming industry, where's the sequel? If Drukmann was so obsessed with telling these stories, why hasn't he been talking up development at the studio? The lack of action speaks volumes at this point.

[@gamermoviedude5533]

Eh, I mean games take some time to create and usually don’t get pushed out in short amounts of time unless they’re easier to make like that, like a Call of Duty title. By this logic, a hater of TLOU 1 of GTA 5 could’ve said “where’s the sequel,” but they took years to develop.

[@The_Real_Frisbee]

@@gamermoviedude5533 I wouldn't use GTA as an example here. Vice City came out 2 years after 3, San Andreas came out 2 years after Vice City, 4 came out 4 years after San Andreas, and between 4 and 5 there was a 5 year gap. The entire reason why we haven't gotten another GTA game in 12 years is because they knew they could milk the hell out of GTA 5. With TLOU 2, the main reason why there was a longer gap between the two games is because the studio was focusing on Uncharted until 2017 before directing their main attention to TLOU 2. While they did start creating elements before that, it wasn't the sole focus, so realistically we can say that it only took 3 years of full development.

[@ZMCFERON]

Drukmann too busy being a suckmann if the self-insert is believable

[@gamermoviedude5533]

@@The_Real_Frisbee valid points on all fronts, my main argument is that modern game development takes so much longer now for x amount of reasons that a lack of development on a part 3 is not indicative of anything really. Plus who’s to say they haven’t been working on a part 3 and we don’t know it yet.

[@MetaDHedge28]

Nah they're too busy remaking the games over and over

[@caseyhart4999]

I think one of the most hilarious statements pro firefly people make is that Joel killed all those people in “cold blood” like no you idiots did you not see them shooting at you as you played as Joel? Lmfao

[@casketbase7750]

Ignoring the vaccine debate, the second game dooms humanity in a more clear-cut way. The first game ends with Joel and Ellie joining the family values dam settlement. My interpretation was that Ellie would live a normal life, have naturally immune kids, and steadily save the world through her lineage. Nope. The second game made her a runaway lesbian.

[@sognurT]

"But boys are icky. I'd rather die for a slim chance to create a vaccine than raise a family with an immunity"

[@sognurT]

Just remembered. They didn't even get her permission to operate on her😆

[@xenn4985]

Thanks for this man. This is canon now.

[@The_child-catcher]

This. Humanity would have eventually become immune to the spores just from spreading Ellie's genes down the generations, but we gotta LGBT everything even at the expense of the human race.

[@skylex157]

She was lesbian since the first game, in the DLC she kissed withthe firefly chick What matters is the stupidity of thinking immunity is in the brain and not in the white cells

[@The_child-catcher]

When season 2 drops get ready to have these arguments all over again.

[@SolidSnake240]

The discourse for the show is probably gonna be worse tbh. I got called a bigot cuz I didn't like the first season 😂

[@a.r.h9919]

Druckman is going to clutch so hard to make Abby the misunderstood hero That I can already smell the burned tire

[@samzilla567]

Druckmann will absolutely double down on gaslighting the audience into thinking Joel deserved to get killed.

[@DMAN99]

@@samzilla567oh my god he’s going to make Joel the cause of the zombie apocalypse isn’t he. Like Joel somehow did something before everything went down which lead to the zombie apocalypse happening. Or something could’ve prevented it before and Joel somehow got in the way and then the world went to hell

[@odigity]

If you could take a time machine to 2019, a year before TLOU2, and ask TLOU fans if they think Joel is the bad guy, how many do you think would say yes?

[@HammerHeart3229]

I wouldn't say Joel was a bad guy during the time we spend with him in the first game. He just does what he has to do survive in that world. You could maybe argue Joel was a bad person when he was apart of The Hunters because it's implied The Hunters are a pretty grim group of people and Joel did some fucked up things himself but we don't actually see any of the stuff he did so who knows? I need to replay the first Last of Us because I haven't played it in a long time! I don't want to do that fucking hotel basement bit again though! 😂

[@Sousabird]

I mean, I guess he could've prevented TLOU2 if he were more *thorough* with the Fireflies. Seems a bit grim though.

[@otterfire4712]

Nah, fuck them Fireflies

[@the_absurd_hero]

Sounds like the "cycles of violence" theme gets lost in the realization that the best prevention of revenge is extermination..

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

@@the_absurd_hero "No more half measures Walt"

[@VimyGlide]

@@the_absurd_hero the chinese knew that well

[@Wetboss]

I never played part two because of all the pre-publicity and I knew how it was going to go down. But I have an observation, when Ellie found out everything she never offered herself up to save the world and fix the mistake, did she?

[@haku8135]

No you see, Joel hunted down and killed every single doctor left alive in the whole world. Even though the doctors that were with the Fireflies I'm pretty sure canonically were NOT even qualified to make this vaccine in the first place, but they just kinda assumed it'd work out. Like you'd need SO many specialized doctors with INCREDIBLE skill to even BEGIN to try to do what they explain explicitly. That's really the biggest problem with the first game, saving Ellie is objectively correct because they EXPLAIN how this supposed cure would work, and it DOESN'T work. There's ZERO chance they could save ONE person by killing Ellie and extracting the fungus from her head. If you can make a vaccine by using her fungus, you can make a vaccine without it, you have the technology to do it.

[@Good_Boy_3000]

​@haku8135 Real world pathologists even said that they really only need to observe how Ellie's antibodies work against Cordyceps through her blood. They even confirm extracting Cordyceps through her cerebralspinal fluid, likely through a spine tap. Just putting a cerebral port in Ellie would allow easier access to Ellie's spinal fluid.

[@haku8135]

@@Good_Boy_3000 The way they explain it in the first game, is that Ellie was infected with the cordyceps, BUT the specific strain that got into her brain, is broken. It's mutated and so it just does nothing, but it's still in there. They then say, because it's in there just doing nothing, it is also blocking correctly working cordyceps from taking root in her and turning her. Therefore, Ellie is immune to cordyceps because she's technically already infected, but the infection is asymptomatic. It has nothing to do with her immune system, it has nothing to do with anything about HER body specifically. Nothing like that. It is PURELY because ONE sample of the fungus just doesn't work. So they say if they kill her, and extract this sample, they could then use it to make EVERYONE immune to the fungus. Which, is bullshit. If you can genetically engineer millions of samples of the cordyceps to work just well enough that they infect, but don't turn people, then you can just do it. You don't need a sample of a broken fungus, you MAKE the broken fungus yourself. If you can't do that, having a broken fungus sample will do nothing for you. Like the fact it got into Ellie and did nothing means it can't reproduce, so you can't breed more of these things, cause it's effectively a sterile cordyceps. So if you can't genetically alter cordyceps samples at will, it's worthless. And they obviously cannot do that, so the entire plan is dead on arrival. Also, yes, I'm aware that Ellie's body would require some way to eliminate other samples of cordyceps that get into her body and attempt to take her over prior to being body blocked by the broken fungus. Something would also need to be stopping the other fungus spores from reaching her brain in the first place, cause once its in there.... I mean it's in there. Doesn't matter if it doesn't do its mind control thing, a bunch of spores building up inside your brain isn't gonna end well. So there needs to be something stopping the spores from getting that far, and then her white blood cells need to know how to clear the presumably still living spores out of her body. So if her body has become adapted to fighting the spores, thanks to the broken fungus in her head keeping her from turning too quickly, then yeah it would be infinitely valuable to study her immune system, not kill her for a useless fungus. However, none of this is ever even mentioned. The first game is very good, but not this part. Their only thoughts are "Broken fungus. If we rip it out, we can make a vaccine." no further considerations given. This is why Joel is objectively correct in saving Ellie. Letting her die serves ZERO purpose. And the end of the first game is poorly written, because they specifically wanted that choice to be a hard decision, but it's not cause their idea of a cure doesn't work. This is why you don't make a zombie apocalypse fucking disease, just make it magic damn it. Just say the grim reaper has gone on vacation and the dead are just rising because the law of death pissed off. Zombies are SO boring now.

[@theliato3809]

@@haku8135 Not like it would have mattered if they even made the thing, what ever it is. The Fire flies would have needed the remnants of the US government to mass produce it and they may well have burned it then let them use it.

[@Good_Boy_3000]

@@haku8135 I think there's more at play if Ellie can shrug off spores like nothing. Her immune system would've had to somehow figure out how to not overreact to spores like it does in others. Also, she's not asymptomatic, she's either Infected with a benign strain, or something like that. In the second game, she confirms that she can't infect others nor immunize them.

[@charlesruteal9062]

Joel died for our sins. The Don's stepson, bound for tragedy.

[@stevegt2682]

Joel finally killed Wilford Brimley. RIP Wilford.

[@joeldykman7591]

I'd do it agian.

[@Theendman42]

I got a good shoulder and back workout at the gym today. I was shoulder-pressing a barbell, when I put it back on the rack, it slipped and knocked the barbells above it off, and they all came crashing down on my arms. In short, it was Joel's fault!

[@MrJentu]

Joel giveth, Joel takeith away. As it is angrily, drunkenly written in the book of Joel.

[@TheLeadhound]

It is Joel's world. We are just living in it.

[@MrJentu]

@@TheLeadhound sound logic. Go now in the name of Joel, and roughly beard others.

[@silverscorpio24]

I've got a feeling Joel fans are in for a world of pain when the second season of the TV show comes out.

[@SolidSnake240]

The tv version isn't Joel to me lol. I really don't like Pedro's portrayal

[@georgehouliaras7239]

It's raining today. Joel strikes again.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

This meme persevered for such a long time.

[@Lundarian1]

J03L is an unstoppable menace!

[@bigflippingboss]

The fall out of that line led to some banger memes, though. So thanks, Just Write.

[@Resijew]

This is the piece of media that red pilled me. Nothing since has pissed me off as much as this dogshit game, and every time I think of it I get angrier. Fuck this game, and fuck what it did to the first games legacy

[@dbzfactseeker4421]

It’s poor writing for woke gamers .lol They tried to demonize a man who lost his daughter and is naturally a colder person but through Ellie he chose to save her when he found out they were going to to off her without telling her and they had tried before with people like her and failed to find a cure so Joel was right.

[@SolidSnake240]

It's almost like a lot of these people hate father figures..

[@tomgu2285]

​@SolidSnake240 Neil druckman has like 2 children lol.

[@howaboutsomesoyfood]

TLOU2 taught me to never be hyped for a game ever again.

[@percivalfine]

Killcount quotas for war? Ki-adi-mundi mentioned? I know this was recorded years ago but it feels so appropriate in 2024

[@DollyBoiGamer337]

For the lovely lad @ 9:40: I don't have to know how to drive a forklift to see one in a tree and go "Yea that shouldn't be like that"

[@grifnizzle7197]

It's pretty clear in the first game they never told Ellie what was going to happen to her with the surgery. There's no scene where they wake her up and ask her if she's ok with being a martyr, and that's assuming it would have worked anyway. Also consider this is RIGHT AFTER she just risked her own life facing possibly her greatest fear to save Joel's life. Joel 100% did nothing wrong, TLOU2 can get bent

[@trintovai8275]

My only pet peeve with EFAP on their coverage of this is I never heard them mention the argument of it’s not even certain if the fireflies could make a cure/ vaccine. They just grant that they could and then go into the logistics of distribution, which is a fair point also, just wish that point would be mentioned at least once

[@Arassar]

The fact that ANYBODY would defend The Last of Us 2 severely diminishes my faith in humanity.

[@theplotsheriff8903]

All these theories whether they could have saved the world or they will use it for their own purposes etc, etc, etc....non of that matters because in the end it's a father saving his daughter full stop...any one who argues this does not have children, they have no idea what a true father would do and how far he will go for his children!!

[@KentzHodiono]

Remember when Dunkey says give it a year and everyone will call this game a masterpiece?

[@ZeroHero3d]

TLOU has done irreparable damage to the discourse if the gaming industry, storytelling and the zombie genre as a whole with the army of simps who worship the games like deific icons. Mid-at-best cover shooters with passable stories that have been better, yet these games are treated like infallible works of art. It's miserable whenever these games are trotted out over and over by people who accept whatever slop is dumped in their troughs.

[@SolidSnake240]

I love the first game but you aren't wrong lol

[@gkkk2735]

I feel like were actually going back to more gameplay focused games and its been slowly getting better. That being said most sony pony games tend to be " cinematic masterpiece"(medicore shooters with nice cutscenes)

[@MrOnay-px1jx]

The gameplay is pretty good

[@mistermike4023]

I just finished this video and KZbin played an add for a golf tournament I think they're trying to tell me something, lads...

[@tayne-entertaynement]

A white couple gives birth to a black baby. Wife: "Uh... This is all Joel's fault."

[@tomgu2285]

*Mixed baby

[@mac1991seth]

The word "extra" also means "outside". Like extraterrestial, extradition, extraordinary. So extrapersonal would mean "reasons that aren't personal". And then it makes sense.

[@V3n0mCa7na63]

The world was already lost a cure would only make things worse. The only hope is to just survive and that’s what he was doing with Elli, surviving and there was a 100 percent chance it was going to work plus. How can you turn a world where people to run a city as despots or cannibals around. The answer is you don’t.

[@theliato3809]

Joel made the hard choices for the betterment of mankind. Anyone who says he did wrong is just a wannabe hero who doesnt think beyond the next day.

[@kinka9883]

He didnt do it for the betterment of anyone but himself. Not dogging him either because Im on his side & get why he did it, but lets not pretend now.

[@theliato3809]

@@kinka9883 "Intent does not matter... only consequences"

[@kinka9883]

​@@theliato3809Intent matter depending on the consequences. You can't say he did something for the betterment of mankind when he literally did not have mankind on his mind when he did it. The intent doesn't matter because you made up one & gave it to him instead of using his ACTUAL intent.

[@theliato3809]

@@kinka9883 Irrelevent. The fire flies could not be trusted with the cure.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Old man having a heart attack, "F***ing JOEL!"

[@Rolf97]

You guys remember the game trird to make you feel bad for beung forced to kill a pregnant woman because that woman attacked Ellie while pregnant? After Ellie had all the information ahe needed and was about to leave?

[@anthonykeller1957]

Man this was my favorite EFAP meme

[@mistermike4023]

This is your favorite part

[@AscendantStoic]

JustWrong .. Joel exists ... "CURSE YOU JOEL!"

[@joffy9373]

And here I am still waiting for a proper steam sale on the first game so I can finally play that. It had like 20% discount during this years summer sale with a sales price of 40 bucks and for what, a 11 yr old game? Give me a break.

[@ViolentMessiah666]

I can't believe Joel made The One Ring & blamed Annatar, he doesn't even know what an alloy is!

[@tomjames9681]

I can’t wait for live action bigot sandwich. It 100% will not look as good as Tonald’s.

[@Gioven740]

Hi Wolf! Hi Joel!

[@CarlosThadeu]

23:07 Yaaay, my meme made it to efap highlights! I knew it was at this part and I was almost feeling like it was gonna get cut 😂 This was one of the only memes I ever made

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Joel Man Bad

[@genogamma13]

Okay lightning round for which Just Right hot take is the worst gaslighting to win an argument statement ever? "Joel is responsible for every single death after saving Ellie." OR "No Star Wars fan or general audience remembers or knows what a Y-Wing is."

[@jacquelineking5783]

IMO using different ships wouldn't be automatically wrong. It was using ships with a hull integrity of paper mache was the problem.

[@genogamma13]

@@jacquelineking5783 Also ridiculously slow too; I always like to joke the Rebellion basically got Scooty-puff Junior ships from Futurama as their bombers.

[@Randarrradara]

Joel: I take responsibility for racism. 🙏

[@randomusername3873]

Joel stole the Don's bike

[@MarkusHansson]

For being a game franchise called the last of us we never seem to see the last of it.

[@PapaRoboto]

Btw, TLOU's world was *fine* without a vaccine. It's straight up unneeded.

[@Doughboy123x]

I get the feeling they *wanted* the story to be that Ellie is simply just blind with rage as she kills people to reach Abby, but it's only then that she starts to realize what she's actually doing. Crappy execution though.

[@garbearfar1394]

Never played the game but I think it should’ve been multiple endings. One where you forgive Abby and Ellie keeps her fingers letting her play the guitar and keep those memories of Joel alive and well, and you keep your Arab gf or whatever she was. And the other ending where you kill Abby but lose your two fingers and Arab gf thing. That would be actual decent writing, what we got was dogshit and the only reason I think it has one ending is cuz the devs knew 98% of players are drowning that gorilla of a woman when they get the option.

[@garbearfar1394]

I don’t even care all that much about the vaccine debate part of things, Abby is totally right to hunt down Joel that part is fair, Ellie is equally right to hunt down Abby in return but the issue for me is robbing the player of a choice at the end of following the revenge thru or letting things lie and moving on.

[@tomgu2285]

​@@garbearfar1394 I agree.

[@Nastuf]

"That was't part of the deal Dealbreaker Jones and Joelllllllllll!!!!"

[@robo-nidai4236]

Ow! I stubbed my toe! Damn you, Joel! Is there no limit to your evil?!

[@goufr3540]

Everything being Joel's Fault is the only thing that brings joy to my life.

[@TOONYBOY]

I want someone to make that edit where Captain Kirk from The Wrath of Kahn shouts Kahn's name, but replace Kahn with Joel

[@lulukomadori9651]

Man, it gonna suck seeing all the bad stuff reopen when hob release season 2 for it I just can't believe the choices made in the game, how it won goty despite not deserving it and how they made an remaster 4 YEARS LATER

[@johnochiltree1170]

That ends pretty abruptly

[@spouwnerring]

Rags in the middle

[@MrDeathGamer89]

If Ellie was important to the fireflies, why would they continue bombing quarantine zones food supplies, etc, Thus, putting her in more danger and if they did get the cure would any other faction listen to them no they would be eliminated because of all the bad things they done etc 😕😒

[@EatWave]

Blaming everything on Joel is a clear cut case of demonization.

[@stormsand9]

JOEL'S BEHIND IT ALL

[@LatterDayPup]

Joel told Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.

[@bad-people6510]

Why do I get the impression that he's the same kind of guy who would defend Picard for not putting the 4D virus into Hugh in Star Trek the Next Generation, just because the episode stated that it was the right thing to do, even though it is ACTUALLY the scenario he's describing here.

[@joedredd1168]

Spasticus 9, the most special planet.

[@FourthDrawerDown]

12: 38 : Joel becomes Death ☠️

[@joeldykman7591]

Shit, im taking more heat than Lucifer.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

I was fine with Joel until he shot JFK, that's just not cool man.

[@SunnydayRay1]

Joel is Neil Druckmann's Dinkleberg

[@Tallahassee21]

Theres a phrase that I'm thinking captures the feeling i have reading the title of this vodeo but only half remember, its "no" and another word that starts with the letter d......No diggity....thats not it 🤔

[@babbit09]

This video has two dislikes? Damn you Joel and your alternate account!

[@_..--]

I hate to errmm akkkshullly you. But look ap Captian Bong of WW2 he was grounded for having too high of a killstreak. He was more useful as a political propaganda tool than as a fighter pilot.

[@john_doeherty]

Mauler needs to stop talking through his nose he sounds like he perpetually needs to blow it

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

Fooooorrrreeeee!!!! 🏌‍♀️

[@nachgeben]

Ah, JustWrite, the guy who called Attack on Titan an endorsement of military rule and Naziism.

[@_xntrk]

I have fixed chairs. And PS3s and PCs. I know everything. You cannot have opinions.

[@jamiewilliams6529]

Im team joel all day

[@AimlessSavant]

17:10 THATS THE INTERESTING BIT. The fireflies would feel the same way as the video essay, but with the addition that they have some kind of mission to "consolidate" the other factions. Force them to submit for cure access. There is an alternate reality where Ellie is drad and i honestly prefer it because of the cool shit that can be done in the wake of it.

[@JoeElJalapeno1810]

JOEL DID NOTHING WRONG

[@sebastiankrutschoff842]

Joel wrote TLJ

[@Pumparump628]

The borderlands movie sucked?! Grrr DinkleJoelllll

[@6vitamin]

Jauler WrongMan

[@ZMCFERON]

Blue Gender was a better story than any Last of Us

[@ericv00]

J03L

[@vexvertex9810]

Efap🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@sammydray5919]

I forgot how infuriating this episode was 😅 Just business as usual for JustWrite I guess

[@sfarrouge]

Rags is trash. Prove me wrong.

[@Dabeyoun]

I disagree to one point. The vaccine would help bring stability. No new infecteds means more resources availiable, means less turf wars, and it would allow easier expansions, to a certain degree, and until most valuable area are taken.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

IF they could even make one from Ellie, life would be easier cause no more infections. But the fireflies would definitely use the vaccine to make themselves more powerful. It wouldn't just be universally available to everyone right away.

[@garbearfar1394]

Kinda but only one faction would have access to it unless they wanted to let others have it. And unless they started building infrastructure as soon as they got the vaccine their tight resources would only get tighter, taking care of the wounded who aren’t lost causes anymore would lead to huge medical shortages. I think one party would definitely rise higher than the rest but until they got there there would be tons of turf wars and fighting.

[@a.r.h9919]

That is ignoring that the fireflies would act altruistic with it and how the military would handle it which is absolute bollocks from both sides

[@Dabeyoun]

@@garbearfar1394 you think once a vaccine is available other factions wouldn't get their hands on it? My point is, sure, it might cause more wars (or not, now that the Fireflies have a strong bargaining chip, they might instead get a good offer for it), but EVENTUALLY it would lead back to stability. The infected eventually rot away, right? Once everyone's safe, eventually some new normality would appear.

[@Dabeyoun]

@@a.r.h9919 yeah, both are two sides of the same coin. We don't really have enough info in the games to consider who's actually in the right.

[@Joshua-i2o8s]

TLOU2 teaser trailer drops: ‘Implies Joel’s dead and Ellie’s going go get revenge by hunting down the fireflies’ Fans: “This is going to be amazing!” TLOU2 game drops: ‘Literally what the teaser teased it would be’ Fans: “This sucks!” If you thought Ellie forgave Joel for taking away her choice at the end of the first game, then I don’t think you actually understood half of the story of the first game.

[@blackdynomite5831]

‘Conveniently forgets the trailer that made it seem like Joel was gonna be on an adventure with Ellie and the ads that made it look like Dina was the one killed instead.’

[@Joshua-i2o8s]

@@blackdynomite5831 now that, I’ll agree with. I get it in theory; protect the twist, but yeah, super misleading bs to remake an actual cutscene. Just use an actual Joel scene, or if none work, recut the actual trailer.

[@nhagan001]

@@Joshua-i2o8s to piggyback off the other person’s comment, due to us thinking we would be ON AN ADVENTURE WITH JOEL, it was then assumed that Ellie’s partner (Diana the super Jew) would be killed. The revenge mission would be about avenging Diana. So when you then lie about that, have Joel killed instead, then have Ellie stop at the final moment because “revenge is bad”… Now you’ve just wasted everyone’s time.

[@Joshua-i2o8s]

@@nhagan001 I can definitely agree with that view point, the main trailer was definitely misleading in setting incorrect expectations. I suppose for me, as soon as I started playing, I put the trailers out of mind, (which yes, I see the irony, given my op comment was tongue and cheek about the teaser setting expectations in the first place lol). Though I do think, generally speaking, that the ‘revenge is bad’ criticism people give, tends to be a bit of an over simplification of the actual ending, which is more of a; ‘I (Ellie) finally realise that killing Abby isn’t going to make me feel better. Joel killed her dad, she killed mine, now I’m about to kill Lev’s parental figure, so instead I’m choosing to end the cycle here and try and finally move on’. But that just me, like I said, I can see the revenge plot line going both ways and can understand why some people did want her to go through with it. I don’t think either path is partially right or wrong from a story telling pov.

[@SoulTransient]

No you are just viewing it through one characters perspective