Everything Was Becoming More and More Beautiful -- Interview with Lisa Cairns

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[@dakinilover]

I have avoidant personality and non-duality worked for me. I did not have any fear of loosing the ego, because I really wanted to get rid of it. What amazed me is that by loosing the sense of personal self, I actually discovered myself. Not only in the absolute sense, but also on the psychological level. For the first time in my life I felt unconditional love towards this damaged self, that always wanted to be loved. The Self loves the self 😄

[@Ignozi]

Did this happen spontaneously for your or did you have a non-dual practice that you did every day?

[@dakinilover]

@@Ignozi I have spent three years reading books and contemplating only to discover that being does not require any practice.

[@seane.9937]

For me the same. I had no problem dropping the ego, life never offered the false self anything to hold on to. As if I had a choice anyway, one day I was standing after a morning meditation and the ego Vail dissolved from me. It felt like a curtain falling in front of me and now I saw the truth. At least the ego truth, I've had other experiences like that where I then saw oneness truth and soul truth.

[@Jukau]

@@dakinilover was this a mental understandin? What did change because of thatr

[@dakinilover]

@@Jukau More like inner knowing which arose from within, from the very heart of being. Intellect and words were just a tool for consciousness to recognize itself. What did change? Nothing really. Everything changes, as it always did, and I remain unchanging. It will sound strange, but I don't really pay attention to what is happening.

[@MrADTNZ]

Lisa is georgeous

[@Firecelebi]

Angelo's also quite handsome

[@HopeFreemanYes]

Totally! It radiates through so unobstructed, wonderful!

[@katye7727]

The two of you together!!! Goodness gracious the abundance is infinite!!! 💗🙏😘

[@tashiwallace5338]

Yes, so cool, so beautiful. Thank you 💗

[@consciousnessofkane4155]

I could listen to you two confirming emptiness all day long! This is the most comfortable I’ve seen the expression of Lisa in conversation. Love that you are willing to honor Lisa’s expression an impression on you. I do the same for you Angelo thank you for sharing and doing what you do

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Our pleasure!

[@ivangower4581]

The crossover that I didn't know I needed!

[@denise1176]

In David R Hawkins book “Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, the Stairway to Enlightenment” he states that enlightened beings calibrate at high levels and they transmit a vibration to the collective consciousness field of mankind and this energy field counterbalances the negative energies that prevail in the majority of the world’s population. The other service that advanced levels of consciousness provides is information that is of transformative value for the benefit of their students. Thank you both for uplifting humanity. The great awakening is happening.❤🙏

[@annal2740]

'If you want to eliminate your ego, you need to have a strong ego first.' Very wise insight.

[@nyingpo]

Oh my two favourite speakers! What a wonderful treat! Thankyou luvlies

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

welcome :)

[@clairedot657]

Until recently I’ve never heard anyone talk about building the self and ego before going forward. I come from a place where I had lots of childhood trauma, including what I would call religious trauma from an emotionally abusive parent who very much misinterpreted Buddhism. I am currently going to therapy and doing somatic work. So it’s good to hear I might be on the right track for me. I adore Peter Levine and his work. I also love Richard Schwartz (IFS) and David Berceli (TRE). I think Buddhism has a lot to learn from the world of trauma.

[@OnePercentBetter]

Beautiful

[@rachaelgarside6932]

You are my two favourite teachers. What a delight to see you together and to hear some extra details of Lisa's life. I love her imagination, kookiness, and heart. Her journey of commitment to discovering truth is quite something. And the Tony Parson's story is hilarious. 😆Thank you both.

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Our pleasure!

[@JoSpring]

I was so lucky as a child. I would do weird things like kick a rock and then feel that I took it away from its family and I would have to try to put it back in my parents would wait for me to do that. When I was 10 years old I remember very clearly thinking I had had this huge epiphany that being 10 meant that I've been alive for 10 years and I felt time solidify and I became sadder after that. When I was younger I went through a hard-core animal activist stage as well. Seems to be a common thread among many people on this path that I speak with. We all seem to be "savers". But when you see that the perpetrators need saving too it becomes very hard (for me anyway.)

[@macparker3549]

Great conversation. Lisa seems like a genuine embodiment of what it means to learn from and be both opened and humbled by whatever life sets before us. Thank you both! 💜🌎🦋🫥🤬

[@tonyt1551]

Ive enjoyed listening to Lisa over the years. I always came at this from a quite masculine, logical frame so I like listening to her kinda sensitive, intuitive , whimsical , lovely surrendered way of talking about this stuff. There is zero pretentiousness , no holding up an image ( despite her beauty) and just kinda of goofy fun to her way of speaking. I pop in to her talks here and there just to get a dose of it .

[@tonyt1551]

@@dcktater7847 Realization doesn’t mean you gotta look like shit.

[@damianhardy2965]

What an extraordinary interview! Thank you both so much for this 🙏

[@emefkay7712]

Yay! Two of my favourite people in one place! 😄

[@tobiasleeflang6747]

Wow, what an inspiring high energy interview! I went to one of Lisa's retreats and remember how powerful it was for me. I was sleeping in a tent and I remember dreaming I was inside an amazing threedimensional painting/artwork that was moving as wel. It was so vivid and just really cool in an artistic way. It seemed to represent how I experienced being around Lisa and the other amazingly beautiful people that were present there.

[@birgit8996]

Wonderful being❤

[@TinyMaths]

Definite surprise here. Lisa was one of the first people I used to listen to when I was introduced to her by a friend who I used to live with here in London UK. Too glad for this one. The main thing (at least one of them) that I like about Lisa is she empathises with people's need to make the character have a less painful life, through therapy etc; which is something not always found in non duality talks (not that lack of it is bad per se', it's just a preference I have)

[@jodimiller2658]

I am a Newbie ( I think maybe even a Preamie) but I have always had something inside of me that see's what you both have...Angelo I found you thru our boy ZDogg...I still work full time as a Pharmacist but I am about to "check out" so I can tune-in more.....

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

You got this. Just be sure to take the red pill

[@jodimiller2658]

@@SimplyAlwaysAwake ....is that the new one to end all suffering ?? I am on it

[@jodimiller2658]

@@SimplyAlwaysAwake ..I am watching Lisa's first videos like you suggested...holy shit

[@jodimiller2658]

I just dropped the PHARMACIST part....that Wassss a pretty good first step in dropping my ego

[@macparker3549]

Damn, MJ, you move fast! 🙏🌻🫥

[@JoSpring]

I'll be interested in getting to listen to this when I have time because I watched her years ago only because I was so amused by how she stared off in space for a long time all the time. And it was all "No one is here"ing all the time. 😆😆😆 But I always thought she had such lovely presence. lol

[@imransuhail82]

Omg omg omg. I watch both of your videos all the time. Cant wait to see this one!!!!! 🤩

[@anthonyruscitelli8943]

Dear Angelo, thank you for this interview with Lisa. Looking at her I thought I sensed a deep sadness in her, but as I listened I got the feeling that what was reflected was the sadness and pain of all the separated beings in this world. Then she smiles with her eyes and in that light the pain is forgiven and healed. This is a connection with humanity, not a pulling back.

[@kartoffeldrucker]

🥺 Also seemed that way to me, too! so much sadness exists and there is an ability to live with it and it's beautfiful

[@Roland-0-0]

❤ love it!, I can for sure see that what drove me to this path is the realization that I am going to die and yes that is a problem for me 😂

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Hey that kind of authenticity and internal congruence is a powerful catalyst

[@Roland-0-0]

@@SimplyAlwaysAwake 🙏

[@jennylumbrera5277]

I love going inward for everything meditation fallowing my intuition just being in the flow and knowing that everything can is so beautiful once you know that you are creating something so amazing and wonderful lol pure bliss ❤❤❤

[@crystiedawn]

What a great and helpful interview! I was so surprised to hear about Lisa's experience in Bali. A few years ago, I started having moments where everything was the air was sparkling and I would just sit, and it was hard to move. At the same time though, anxiety attacks became very tangible and energetic. It reminded me of hearing Adyashanti talk about experiencing the energy of the universe unmitigated. My senses, which had a tendency to be saturated, felt overwhelming. I also became strangely irritable, where for most of my life emotions were distant and I was able to feel Presence foremost. Every time I looked at my animals, I had visions of chopping them into little pieces. There was so much sensory information and unnameable energy waves hitting me. I told my brain to stop trying to process it all, but it couldn't. So I got a diagnosis and started medicine. Learned about psychosis. I did a lot of therapy. I learned more about how to human and self. I don't think I've had as much of a self as is normal. I saw that mentioned somewhere for my diagnosis. So I was also surprised to hear you talk about how some people need to work on building a self first. My goal is to meet people where they are. To have space for everything, and not get whiplash because I spoke from Presence, then stepped out of it and can't stop worrying about fixing things. From the glimpses I've had, being awake is quite different from speaking from Presence as I have most of my life. I got off medicine a few months ago. I started listening to you, and I signed up for Violet's zoom meetings. I also signed up for the NC retreat. Transmission is very useful for me. I learn much more successfully from people who are modeling through their energy. In general, I refuse to move to where God is pointing me unless I can see people already standing there.

[@gracefrazier4775]

Gratitude.

[@thewayofnoway]

Great interview Angelo. Always loved Lisa and her infectious kookiness and humour. What a fantastic life story! It’s so true about being in the tigers mouth. Sometimes I just want to go back to life before non duality but there’s a deep sense of inevitability, like being caught in a swift current, knowing there’s a huge waterfall down river.

[@sonjasonnenschein9279]

I just love Lisa and her great way of telling stories😍 Thanks both of you for a great interview and lots of (sometimes exploding) laughs, especially imagining Lisa “on 🔥” at Tony’s… 😂😂😂👍🏼

[@PinkyBar374]

So awesome! Thankyou both for sharing !

[@noelletangelder]

🥳Yesss, lisa cairns: a favorite teacher! 😁Since 2009 or so I am a enthusiastic subscriber on her channel where she gives lots of understandable insights. Thanks to both of you for the interview 🙏🏽

[@northernyogi]

This was so enjoyable, I love you both

[@kaituites1707]

Thank you both so much. It's an absolute pleasure 💙🙏

[@naturalxpress]

Lisa in Wonderland, love every second of it!

[@martugharzia]

Lots of gratitude for these amazing interviews you do. I really appreciate all your videos and the work you do to help people, you are amazing Angelo🙌🙌🙌

[@re.resonance]

The Marvel Multiverse needs to up their game with crossovers... This one is way better :)

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

😂😂😂

[@niallbourke7963]

Hey Lisa, I really identify with you, I once went to see see Tony in Dublin with two of my mates but we all had 10 pints of Guinness before the meeting. great ole meeting Lisa. x

[@kkop4982]

Alan Watts used to give lectures after 20 beers :)

[@niallbourke7963]

@@kkop4982 Ha, ha, yeah I heard that about Alan and by the way we all went with Tony for another couple of pints after the meeting. Tony loves his smokes, coffee, and a nice pint of Guinness. All you spiritual types might take note! x.

[@alphonsewilliams9878]

I quite liked this interview of which two parts caught my interest. The reference to ego towards the end reminded me of what Franklin Merrell-Wolff wrote in his book, "Pathways Through to Space". This is not a direct quote but he said that a strong ego can be a particular barrier to Recognition but it is also a great benefit in transmitting the values of the higher to the lower when Recognition is achieved. The second part that caught my interest was Ms. Cairns speaking about the non-functionality of her initial awakening. Earlier this month while laying in the ER I had nothing to do but practice what you Mr. Dilullo have written about in your book, "Awakening, it's your turn." After many hours I found myself in the early morning hours feeling a shift was possible on a deep level. Oddly, that was felt on the left side of my head. Thinking the shift possible the right side of my head immediately said that perhaps now, when you've a fractured pelvis, isn't the best time to lose track of where your body is. The right side won. 🙂

[@suemoseley4707]

Wow-what a great surprise to watch this interview! I’ve been watching Lisa’s channel for several years-I’m not surprised you know each other! You’re both such powerful transmitters! Enjoyed this thoroughly!!

[@Mimi-xs7gi]

Got to love Lisa…❣️

[@lucasj9245]

So nice to see Lisa and Angelo together! 💚

[@ziya5952]

So so lovely 🥰 🥰 ! Sending my heart to you two. Gonna manifest Lisa does group settings in the future! 🤩 🤩 🤞 🤞

[@georgeshepherd3381]

Paul Selig trained as a playwright!

[@jameslentz4300]

Thanks!

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

🎩🎩🎩 ✨✨✨ 💥💥💥 🌊🌊🌊 Thanks!!!

[@ronjenks4133]

To save the world, or to savour it? --EB White

[@nat998]

Isn't she just lovely? 🍃🌻💛 She's so relatable. Only 15 mins in so far, but childhood imaginary friends... vegetarianism/veganism... unintentionally meditating to loud music 🎧... a gal after my own heart 😂🙏 This will be a cool interview.. ✨ I also hang onto whatever Roger has to say😂 I love the Bali- banana fritter awakening story. I've heard Lisa tell it before, and it's always wonderful to listen to ✨ It reminds me a bit of Suzanne Segal's bus ride awakening experience ("Collision with the Infinite") Deeply fascinating to hear the depiction of a nondual experience, moment-to-moment, from no self/center perception... Expansiveness

[@nat998]

There is some potent insight here into the nature of identifying with the negative no-self, subtle self apart from... and that's exactly what I love in Adyashanti too. He has an intuitive, integrative, fully developed teaching/transmission... and after this I'm going to listen to his latest talk (on the heart Sutra, I think it's titled)... but, where he excels is in his meeting you on your own level. Everything he says resonates. He's so open and clear. There is no agenda with him. He's pristine and clear as a bell. He's very encouraging and patient. This whole teaching is so easily misunderstood. It can become a trap potentially. Trust your instincts. Hold everything lightly. Listen to your heart. Keep an open mind. Listen without having any agendas. Trust life. Have fun. 💛 Really enjoyed this, and all these great interviews. I always learn a lot listening to em 👂🙏👏👏😁

[@kathiescott9649]

Who IS Roger?!

[@nat998]

@@kathiescott9649 Hi Kathie, he's a teacher who's from Perth, W.Australia and I think I mentioned him because Lisa must have brought him up in this interview. He does these Satsangs, and releases talks here on KZbin. Type, "Roger Castillo - Being Lived". He was Lisa's former partner, I think. He comes across as genuine, and is of the lineage of Ramesh Balsekar/Advaita Vedanta. 😀

[@kathiescott9649]

@@nat998 Thank you for answering so quickly, Nat! I’m deep into searching for Roger (thank you) and found a story Lisa told about her brother’s mental issues being a turning point for her and her family and she said her brother was “sectioned” - 😬 sounds medieval, but I’m sure isn’t - do you know? Also learned a cell phone is called a “handy” in this interview…😂 Such a learning experience!

[@nat998]

@@kathiescott9649 Anytime, Kathie! Yes, check out Roger. His talks are quite long, but he seems earnest, and down to earth. Yes, being 'sectioned' is like being involuntarily hospitalized. I had no idea that she had a troubled brother. Just goes to show every family has its fair share of troubles. Being sectioned is quite a serious thing, but usually it's done in the best interests of your mental health. I've never heard of a mobile phone being called a "handy"! Maybe it's a pet name? 😜 You learn something new everyday!

[@aleaffalls]

The rest is silence … (Hamlet)

[@rulamazigi5839]

Yay!! So great to see Lisa on here! Loved it and loved the play between you both!!! 💗

[@gb98115]

If I remember correctly, dropping acid at a Tony Parsons talk is the little-known 84,001st Dhamma door.

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Oh totally, it's in the Pali canon. I believe it's the Parsonia Sutta

[@ami156]

​@@SimplyAlwaysAwake well just in case it isn't we can edit it in can't we? Isn't it suppose to be a living Dharma 😂

[@DavidBee]

Thank you lisa, and angelo. Yes, so much beauty...sometimes a little blurry through the tears. Hang in there everyone, and just trust the unfolding.

[@ismaelmarksteiner]

Wholesome interview 🌷 looking forward to revisiting some of Lisa’s old videos, they probably make a lot more sense now compared to first watching them a few years back. 😊

[@dipdip2481]

I love this…..thank you Lisa & Angelo 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🌟❤

[@deepa6383]

Hi Angelo This was a lovely interview. I was confused for a few months now since I came across your first interview and then your book. One thing that scared me was the instant arrogance that came over and yes that was scary which made me withdraw. Still exploring! 😊 Thank you Angelo. Lots of gratitude ❤

[@macparker3549]

If you were scared of your own arrogance, that seems like a sign of wisdom and awareness. Far more scary are those of us who were/are not aware of it! 🤨😁😳🌻

[@deepa6383]

@@macparker3549 it was just an honest assessment of my state. I am not so “knowledgeable” on these spiritual paths etc. I did not pay attention and realised that till watching Angelos video I did not recognise that there is a dual path and a non dual path. I now know that I have been following the dual path and feel a great affinity for devotion/Bhakti. And I also realise that though the years I have also used inquiry as a path to understand myself which is possibly close to the direct path (non dual). Sounds surreal huh!? 😊 All this is still new to me or I was just not paying attention before!

[@dtchinacat3973]

Two friends and myself went to a lecture by Swami Dyananda on Acid it was quite an interesting evening 😸

[@peacelilly739]

Thank you both so very much, for this wonderful interview. So authentic. So genuine. So interesting, helpful and enjoyable. Thank you both. X

[@denissullivan5571]

Love the LSD story, very relatable.

[@life.withkyle]

Such a great interview, thanks Angelo and Lisa! I laughed a lot!🤣

[@hawkkim1974]

I wish I had a cool story like theirs for my desire for awakening!

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

I'm sure you have a cool story, it just won't be like anyone else's

[@Giatros89]

Thanks for the interview it was really fun to watch. Does anyone know the link to the early videos that were referred to at around the 50 min mark Edit: Angelo's t shirts/hoodie game + the backgrounds are super fun. Thank you

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

go to her channel and scroll to the oldest videos

[@humanbeing4995]

🕯

[@KK-qd6ro]

❤

[@tahchridaya]

I highly recommend taking a good look at Transactional Analysis as it explains our various personality adaptations (sub personalities )within ourselves and in our interactions with others. I recommend Dr. Vann Joines books. He has been my teacher in T A for many years. 🙏

[@sTeVe-vl3nh]

This is gonna be great🙏❤️👽

[@brushstroke3733]

I never knew Lisa was Roger's girlfriend! So great to connect the dots! Roger is one of my favorite teachers. His descriptions of Happiness in Daily Living are very helpful to analytical minds.

[@TONE11111]

Paul Smit also...

[@violettemartinez7796]

I love what you say to Lisa in the end, and this compassion can also be felt in you and what you do for us! Beautiful interview.

[@timkovatch8251]

He is so into her it’s comical, showering her with compliments and gushing over her words!

[@ivaskoda5242]

I love this so much!!

[@gammaraygem]

I have seen some of Lisa her earliest videos years ago. So good to see how she evolved. So rare, this subject of "molding" the ego for it to be entirely in service of the message. Subbed.

[@lukystaify]

Thank you for this interview :) so lovely to hear you both speak

[@billromas]

Love this beautiful exchange🙏❣

[@markri8507]

Hallelujah ! Thanks Lisa - yes pointing can be a disaster - it can be problematic to point to emptiness no self etc I feel blessed in my training as a psychotherapist abiding in as the non dual state I see so many come to me in a dissociative state - it’s a dance - cosmic dance - between individuation and transcendence - Wisdom and discernment is hugely important in non duality And so is the universal/ personal heart !!❤️🔥

[@karenthue8978]

Im so glad you both spoke on The experience of losing The sense of self and other. That has happend to me and I felt The same way as those people who feel «if I go There Im lost». Never heard anyone speak of this phenomenon before, so thank you! To me it has occurred in front of The mirror, in a play between self as my body and my self as reflection, erasing the line between the two.

[@leeladevidancing]

Thank you so much for this interview! I love you both so much, it was just awesome to see you both together! ❤

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@deni0404]

Amen🙏beautiful conversation; inspiring & powerful ❤thank you for sharing

[@rubyslippers9140]

Just great. Thankd Lisa and Angelo.

[@krielsavino5368]

Great to see you togheter!

[@JonathanTrinityMartin]

Great interview!

[@Lackylo]

Thank You for this sharing ... it filled my heart and soul ...

[@Lulubear0304]

More of these please 🙏🏽🥰

[@feel7213]

What an amazing interview! Love it

[@amazias9213]

Beautiful. Thanks.

[@ckelley623]

No doer even for the people you think would be hurt❤

[@annal2740]

Roger sounds nice.

[@angelmoon8114]

Thanx for this talk....love this....can relate to a little of this but resonating so much.

[@brushstroke3733]

26:35 Regarding memory issues, I've heard about this issue from several sources now, including you and Adyashanti. However, I heard another guy say it might be a resuot of our meditation style or of spending too much time in empty awareness. His pointing is that meditation is supposed to be about focus and clarity, not spacing out and zoning out. I didn't like hearing this at first because I love the spacing out thing and often fall asleep when I'm drifting, not focusing, but I think there may be something to it. Some of us who meditate by letting go and letting go might be dulling our minds and senses. Just a thought to consider.

[@ArnaudFuzelier]

"Signature of truth", love that ! thanks Lisa and Angelo :)

[@nightlily3855]

So beautiful. Thank you for this interview.

[@Jade33]

So beautiful. Really appreciated the part about psychology, meeting, loving people exactly where they are ❤❤❤

[@grocdaurat]

Thank you 🙏💕

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

You are so welcome

[@alfreddifeo9642]

Thank you, very nice

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Welcome 😊

[@plantlove2585]

Thank you for highlighting the importance of being trauma informed, when you teach, but also going throught the process yourself. For a long time I kept my distance to anything non-duality because it had this reckless reputation of putting people into an existantial nihilistic doom perspective that just seemed to dangerously surpass all that needs to be adressed in the trauma that every human holds to some degree. - For my own unfolding I can relate to being obsessed with psychology. There was at some point this fascination of how the human psyche, how the whole system works. It never went away, instead, I grew into becoming a body psychotherapist and moving these energetic blockages in the bodymind is often times not contained in the viewpoint of western psychology anymore but transcends it into "spiritual" states and experiences or make them more likely. For myself, understanding this and trusting the bodies dynamics has helped me with an intuitive unfolding so far. Even if the mind is constantly questioning it :D - A trauma informed non-duality teaching, that takes time to point out the need to be with the hurt and process it, is so valuable and powerful. I keep coming back to these pointers again and again. Thank you, both of you, for teaching like this. 🙏❤

[@kennyrumrill1860]

This was powerful for me. Thank you both.

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Glad to hear it

[@mikekonig]

super

[@Sashas-mom]

Wow

[@Quazlor]

Everything is becoming more and more beautiful

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Indeed!

[@Quazlor]

@@SimplyAlwaysAwake and somehow effortless

[@Quazlor]

It's such a relief. The struggle is over.

[@LuTa777]

💚💙💚

[@gretanavarauskaite2904]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@brushstroke3733]

Weird, all this time I thought Lisa was an Aussie! Learn something new once a year I guess! 😂

[@tpn8402]

Wow, ok... Many years ago I started reading about non-duality and then had the worst depression of my life for some time.. i think i was using it as some kind of unhealthy escape like you were discussing.. And that analogy you made about the celestial body pulling you in with it's gravity.. since quite a young age I think.. I would sometimes randomly get this sensation like there's this presence of some huge mass.. yeah, like a celestial body.. kind of a dark feeling too I'd say.. pulling me in/towards.. like i could feel it's mass and gravity, and my mass.. its mass playing on my mass.. so strange.. kinda dreadful. I don't know if I've felt this recently.. maybe..

[@SpaceshipFive]

❤❤❤❤❤❤ Lisa!!

[@theexpansivejourney3570]

Hopelessness squared 😂 thank you both!