Everything Wrong with Command and Conquer's Vehicle Design: Tiberium Wars

[@rocketpowered5920]

You're just jealous that your favourite tank can't run over other tanks.

[@essex3777]

Hey I'd say he should try Tiberium Essence, and song at the end, so good!

[@drmcweazel]

[Baneblades chuckling in the distance]

[@ChrisKunix]

@@essex3777 Yes, I have it. Though I kind of think things like an improved Predator Tank that's not built by the Tacticus archive and a Pitbull that acts more like a traditional Humvee.

[@essex3777]

@@ChrisKunix I was thinking of looking at the Forgotten arsenal and its improvised nature.

[@synonymtoast716]

I dont know what you mean, the Apocalypse can run over tanks or pull them into its grinder

[@duraluminiumalloy9248]

"Flame tank is as dangerous to the Nod as it is to GDI." Pretty much applies to anything related to the Brotherhood of Nod.

[@afluffybunny2543]

"We will be remembered" -Nod fanatic

[@luisgregoriopadilla9553]

@@afluffybunny2543 kill a avatar

[@Rat_Fบcker]

The entire high officer rank is as dangerous to the NOD as it is to GDI

[@devinedwards9996]

@@afluffybunny2543 FOR THE BROTHERHOOD

[@Ironfist528]

@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 They do actually come up with their own designs, using tiberium and the tacitus to aid them. The avatar, redeemer, purifier, stealth tank (stealth tech in general). Some is based on Scrin tech, others more based on their own research of tiberium based weaponry.

[@blarg35]

The mammoth turrets actually do go up, if there is a wall the mammoth can shoot up the wall and you can see its turrets go up

[@Duke_of_Petchington]

Gun barrels elevate and depress*

[@happydeer3678]

True

[@cnlbenmc]

It looks like it can shoot things that are practically sitting on the ground in front of it all the way up to 40° in the air, the benefits of the unconventional design.

[@swedishplayer97]

I just want to say I appreciate that you just get to the point and don't drag out the video needlessly. So many channels post thirty-minute videos filled with sponsorships and endorsements, and needlessly long descriptions of everything. You just say everything that needs to be said in a quick, informative way. Thanks!

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

I wouldn't mind longer videos.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

But, then again, this is Diet Chieftain.

[@Rokaize]

swedishplayer97 Yeah, I’d actually want to see him do a long form video. Going in-depth like Chieftain but on the subject of fictional vehicles would be great.

[@hummerskickass]

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[@popeofpain6904]

Siveastrike? Sorry forgot your Moddb ID. LOL

[@shadowtear101]

Scifi Universes - "Behold our amazing weaponry!" Spookston - *Allow me to introduce myself.*

[@14thbattlegroupcommander]

Sci-fi **FRANTCLY TROWING DESIGNS UNDER CARPET AND PAINTING ABRAHAM PHOTOS BLACK AND RED TO NOT GET KILLED**

[@drivanradosivic1357]

what would be a good Sci fi but practical look for GDI and NOD?

[@drivanradosivic1357]

I asked, because pointing out issues with practicality is one part of the solution, suggesting good alternatives is the other one.

[@nichsulol4844]

@@14thbattlegroupcommander c&c alternative history would be category science fiction

[@deadman9335]

@@drivanradosivic1357 the Mammoth is actually pretty good

[@derptomistic]

"These tanks don't seem THAT unreasonable..." *"MARV ASSEMBLY COMPLETE"* "...oh no..." Size matters

[@lordhamster9452]

“GLOBAL DEFENCE INITIATED❗️“

[@kristianmolloy8622]

Redeemer engaged! For KANE !

[@aap9167]

The reich flash backs..

[@migukmoonpark4312]

*Massive Ass-Raping Vehicle* Scrin ain't got nothing on this shit!

[@cnlbenmc]

Pffh, the Mammoth Mk II Walker makes that thing look like chump change; it had 4 Railguns that are each as long as a Mammoth Tank.

[@Evanthestrange]

We NEED a video about the Generals tanks. so much to talk about

[@Perdikofas]

That plus Tiberian Sun, I want to hear an opinion on that sexy Hover MLRS.

[@rohanhalle580]

Gotta love those Marauders and Overlords

[@stevenseagull4990]

"This is the OVERLORD tank."

[@IntrusiveThot420]

The paladin's laser APS is super rad. And if it's as powerful as its displayed as in game, it could also double as an anti infantry weapon.

[@stevenseagull4990]

@@IntrusiveThot420 i prefer chinese dominace. You can't have accumulator powerfull enough to take the entire red guard

[@UraniumBullets]

"I played a ton of Generals" MY MAN!

[@sleipnirpemolspa2287]

HALLELUJA, AMEN!

[@cyberspino6277]

Yeah boi

[@JoakimfromAnka]

China has been generous.

[@michaelwen5540]

"a ton of Generals and a bit of Red Alert" Glad we have something in common.

[@MrImperatorRoma]

China will grow larger

[@kedarunzi9139]

Damn I was expecting you would cover the gdi lankreuzer ratte equivalent, the marv Edit: The predator was supposed to have a single anti infantry missile pod, but it was removed due to balance reasons. The mammoth's main guns are not fixed, you can often see the gunner trying to allign them with air targets (don't know why he's doing that tho, since only missiles can engage air targets) The juggernaut in the lore atleast isn't supposed to be near the frontlines very often, since it can provide artillery support if a friendly sniper squad spots for it. The scorpion's back track thingy serves no purpose, until it recieves laser gun upgrades, in which case the gun is positioned on said track. And yeah, the flame tank is a total hazard, that's why it's so easy to destroy. Thanks for the video though, was really excited for this one!

[@azzythechristianfurry]

Kedarunzi An addition I’d like to make- the Scorpion tank has an upgrade that gives it an anti-infantry weapon... sorta. The tank’s body becomes a weapon with the Dozer Blades upgrade, if that counts. The laser cannon also grants it additional anti-infantry damage (similar to the rail gun). The Scorpion is a hit and run type of vehicle (fastest tank in the war), while the GDI combat doctrine relies more on slow, armored aggression. The glass crew compartment is a pretty bad idea. Spook did a pretty good job on breaking down the Flame Tank’s design. Pretty sure it’s even mentioned on the wiki that massing flame tanks is a bad idea because of the explosion when it dies can be damaging to allies. Hoping he does the Stealth Tank next. The breakdown here was pretty spot on.

[@toddoverholt4556]

Yeah I was going to say something to the effect of that. The Juggernaut is an artillery piece, and the flame tank is a terror weapon since Nod are terrorists

[@dragonstormx]

The Flame Tank's design is extra hilarious given that the Flame Tank in Tiberian Sun, while looking like a giant shoe box, at least had its fuel tank partially covered by armor.

[@toddoverholt4556]

@@dragonstormx it could also burrow. Technology was lost when Nod fell and Kane 'died' in Tib War 2. Also everything is less advanced in Tib War 3 for some reason

[@Mahbu]

@@toddoverholt4556 I wouldn't say less advanced, not for the GDI anyway. The walkers went away because they were supposedly impractical and too expensive. As did a lot of weapon systems. But the expansions reintroduce them as well as a lot of hover vehicles. Dunno what is up with Nod, though.

[@draconicdolor5523]

I think that a lot of the juggernaut flaws are nullified when you realize it's an artillery mech

[@Grounders10]

I was about to point that out. >.< He's going at it like it was meant to be a frontline combatant. It's not. It's a mobile artillery piece, not a tank.

[@ismaeljunior8624]

But he already spoke about these type of vehicles, why build these things if you can just bring the good standart pieces of artillery?

[@vampirecount3880]

@@ismaeljunior8624 ever heard of the concept of SPGs? Its used a lot in the real world you know?

[@ismaeljunior8624]

@@vampirecount3880 are you dumb or what? I'm talk about the things people usually reffer for futuristics weapons like the jugernaut who is a waste of resource.

[@Klaus_Fischer]

@@ismaeljunior8624 the Juggernaut can go into areas that standard grade Artillery can't, that's the point of this boy, to go into more areas regular artillery can't

[@highgrounder5238]

Oh so you want quad tracks? The real treasure trove of those is Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak! We've got tanks with quad tracks, carriers with quad tracks, cruisers with quad tracks; should i even continue. On a different note, i just think the vehicles deserve your analysis, as they have a character on their own.

[@rock_it9771]

I build a quad track of lego. It cannot turn. Lol Stupid bullshit phantasy design. TS design had better ideas

[@Shaun_Jones]

I mean, for something like a carrier quad tracks kind of make sense if your production is not up to making full length tracks or the machinery to drive them.

[@Jfk2Mr]

@@Shaun_Jones but only if you use 1 part tracks (like on American half-tracks) - if your tracks are made of segments, then quad track has little sense

[@BioClone]

well, it makes perfect sense for the big boys, just like it makes to the NASA crawler that moves the rockets... when you have that size and mass you expect to have perfect control of the 4 points of the vehicle to ensure perfect aligment or probably otherwise you could be breaking the thing by half by the lack of material properties.

[@F4Wildcat]

1:37 Origenally the predator tank was gonna have a coax machine gun. It was removed before release for balance reasons

[@Rat_Fบcker]

It have to be even mammoth original design have anti-personal turret but obviously have weapon to anti every enemy type for such cheap price is out right over power

[@the_burger]

Waiting for generals

[@geggeg3110]

I second that but also some red alert 2 or tiberian sun

[@jacplac97]

Why not just an entire C&C franchise all at once? In chronological order

[@geggeg3110]

@@jacplac97 I shall give a hell yeah to that idea

[@nichsulol4844]

c&c based just too op if exit

[@sebastiankrueger6209]

You missed the MARV, and I was really excited for the cons of that one. Maybe next time.

[@LtCWest]

Cons: EVERYTHING!!! Its simply too big xD

[@valhalanguardsman2588]

@@LtCWest leaving out all the details huh? I guess thats why people keep comparing mech'n'tanks

[@jiado6893]

I think it would be better if Spookston dedicated a video to each faction, rather than a sampling of the entire game.

[@captainsternn7684]

This game needs a part 2, too many strange vehicles, and some of the upgrades change the vehicles dramatically.

[@azzythechristianfurry]

Captain Sternn Pros- Good terror weapon Splash damage cannon (unlike other tanks) Highly modular (due to infantry hard points) Essentially can pay itself back by rolling over Tiberium. Cons- The thing is giant. The ground pressure must be high. Directional armor No built in anti-air. Slower than a turtle riding a snail.

[@KrisHandsome]

I think of all the C&C games, Tiberian Wars and Kane’s Wrath are my favorite. I especially love the GDI designs, but I do love this realistic look at them. I will say though, the Juggernaut kinda makes sense having poor ammo storage and protection since it’s an artillery vehicle. It would likely have a supporting group if it were a real vehicle.

[@jiv9673]

I imagine in the real life these vehicles would have Auxiliary weapons but they are not present in game FOR BALANCE

[@jiv9673]

Didnt mean to use all caps.

[@trashrabbit69]

That's exactly it. C&C is known for having separate classes of units that hard-counter each other. Tanks? Rocket soldiers. Artillery? Aircraft. Infantry? Structures! Structures? Stealth Tank cleared for combatttt.

[@fuzzyhead878]

Agree 100%, otherwise cnc vehicles would be hilariously overpowered.

[@nichsulol4844]

@@trashrabbit69 when is damage pod would release to air

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

The Juggernaut doesn't really need much protection though, it's supposed to be a mobile artillery platform designed to traverse the Tiberium-laden hellscape of the planet. It's still ridiculous

[@looinrims]

The 225677th Fragment of the Man-Emperor of Mankind that’s not a valid excuse since Nod doctrine is hit and run and raiding

[@cnlbenmc]

Especially when you consider it's basically lugging around a stripped down turret off of a Battleship or Battlecruiser.

[@Morgomir09]

@@cnlbenmc it literally is, the original Juggernaut was 3 155mm guns strapped to a set of Titan legs, it was an improvised artillery vehicle to counter Nod's ridiculously powerful artillery, the Tib War 3 version is a more refined version of that original abomination

[@urbanmech8064]

So what if the Mammoth and Predator Tank has the rail gun upgrade? Edit: When you get a chance try out Kane's Wrath, they have some cool vehicles too. Like the GDI MARV or NOD Redeemer.

[@icer1249]

Wouldn't solve the ammo issue, still needs store the slugs. It would probably make it alot worse as it would need more power to charge the rail gun and cooling systems to stop it from over heating.

[@majesticwolfyguy6629]

@@icer1249 won't need as big rounds though, could fire a 10mm slug and do more damage than a 120mm shell

[@nichsulol4844]

track not supposed be flying mode

[@sneedfeedandseed2410]

@@icer1249 the vehicles in that game use tiberium based fuels of some kind so the power issues would be solved.

[@CantusTropus]

Pretty cool analysis. Though it's obvious that the lack of secondary weapons on the tanks is a game balance issue. Also, I'm pretty sure that it's canon that the Flame Tank is a deathtrap that NOD can only make use of because they have an abundance of fanatically loyal drivers eager for martyrdom.

[@ismaelsantos5378]

Most of the vehicles are deathtraps. Buggies and Bikes leave the drives exposed because they need speed over armor as they are meant for hit&run attacks. That's also why the buggies can receive the EMP Coils which disable nearby vehicles, including the buggy itself.

[@mirceaofrivia2331]

Wait till he sees the titan, wolverine and the mammoth mk2. I recommend the Tiberian Sun version over the Steal Talon (Kane's Wrath).

[@ALV694]

Wait till he sees the scalpel artillery, stealth tank and purifier mech.

[@mirceaofrivia2331]

@@ALV694 or the tick tank that digs into the ground for a lower profile,

[@ALV694]

@@mirceaofrivia2331 that's tiberium sun, btw y do u prefer tiberium sun version of the listed vehicles, aren't they functionally the same (heck the Titan in game is more tougher than the predator tank).

[@mirceaofrivia2331]

@@ALV694 I am a fan of TS yes, but I like aspects of C&C 3 game, mostly (Kane's Wreath). Still is fun to speculate about future vehicle design but I fell like the AI and computer aspect is not being taken into consideration with phrases like "difficult to drive/aim"

[@ALV694]

@@mirceaofrivia2331 wait since ur a fan of TS, there is a mod for c&c 3 which is tiberium essence or tiberium rising. Plus there is mod that adds the forgotten as a playable faction that uses leftover equipment from the second war such as tick tanks, and they got their neat campaign.

[@sleipnirpemolspa2287]

No talk about the MARV? Kinda surprised and disappointed, still glad you finally made this and that you finally play the tib timeline now

[@ALV694]

Same, but also with redeemer

[@jamesaustinredfern8422]

I think the errors with the Juggernaut can be overlooked since it's supposed to be an artillery vehicle and not be on the front lines.

[@MARStheFORSAKEN]

i would imagine some of the designs are influenced be the rough jagged and toxic environment of tyberium.

[@philphlanigen]

Actually the mammoths guns can move up and down, there are certain situations where you can see them do that, such as if your target is on a cliff.

[@bulldowozer5858]

Thicc legs, Thin waist... The Juggernaught be like: 😩👌

[@pyeitme508]

Please make modern 21st century MBTs vs Star Wars equivalent? And second!

[@moblinmajorgeneral]

Strikers probably run circles around AT-STs, Abrams would probably only struggle with the height advantage of the AT-AT initially. Only the AAT would really compete, and even then, the average tanker has more intelligence than B1 Battle Droids.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

That would be interesting. I'm gonna start looking into that.

[@IO-hh2fz]

@@moblinmajorgeneral is that a complement to the intelligence of a B1 or an insult to the intelligence of the average tanker?

[@EgorKaskader]

@@moblinmajorgeneral Just get some range on the AT-AT. Or shoot the legs out if you're facing the side, a lot of the mechanisms are exposed and kinetic weaponry like even handheld missile launchers can do a significant amount of damage (as seen in Rebels - which like it or not, is canon).

[@valhalanguardsman2588]

@@EgorKaskader well *technicaly* there is some sort of shielding that prevents it from being damaged by eneregy weapons or something, but like. Its a giant *robot camel*

[@TheMaxsherwin3000]

To be fair the reason it doesn't have auxiliary weapons is for game balance reasons.

[@xenomorph9114]

Tiberium tanks: looks futuristic but not that angled much... Apocalypse tank: Based from a IS-3-2.

[@jadeorbigoso5369]

World of tank player detected

[@xenomorph9114]

@@jadeorbigoso5369 Ok war thunder player

[@jadeorbigoso5369]

@@xenomorph9114 no I am not War thunder Player I'm also a WOT Player

[@BioClone]

by the way there is anything real behind that double barreled concept? because it doesnt appear anywhere else aside world of tanks.

[@NinjaAO42]

*Tank uncontrollably spins around* "Be careful with this stuff"

[@shoootme]

"Yea verily, though I charge through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am driving a house-sized mass of 'f### you.'"anonymous Mammoth Tank crew member.

[@serinahighcomasi2248]

Peptuck be praised.

[@m.j.9318]

Praise Zooorg!!!

[@noneedtoknow07]

Kind of cool how that quote came from a Fanfic.

[@Psyzrulez]

@@noneedtoknow07 may i ask which fanfic?

[@noneedtoknow07]

@@Psyzrulez It's called Tiberium Wars (yes I know), it follows the game from both sides with a more in depth look. This quote is header for one of the chapters

[@captinobvious4705]

The issue with aux weapons is RTS balance, since having a tank that can engage both inf and armour in an RTS like C&C would be a terrible idea, now I can't decide if it's worse to have them just for looks or not at all...

[@gentlemanvontweed7147]

I'd love a Wargame styled C&C RTS. One can always dream...

[@tonykriss1594]

Yeah in RA3 tutorial they even directly tell you the most efficient way to kill infantry with tank is to drive over them.

[@mixnmatchflavourbleach2313]

GDI: Function Nod: STYLE!

[@kazmark_gl8652]

to be fair NODs advanced tech is supposed to be alien in origin in Tib3 this manifested in a sleeker scifi design. to contrast better with the Utilitarian harder shapes of the GDI vehicle.

[@stuartpostma8244]

@@kazmark_gl8652 dont forget that nod loves its hit and run tactics

[@luisgregoriopadilla9553]

@@stuartpostma8244 and sucidal tactics!

[@stuartpostma8244]

@@luisgregoriopadilla9553 that only the 3rd game tho

[@luisgregoriopadilla9553]

@@stuartpostma8244 my favorite!

[@mammothmk3355]

Hmm. About Mammoth Tank, I'm curious about one thing: Why do peopple considering double barrel tank is a bad idea and a waste of resource? I mean, the idea of double barrel tank mean double firepower seems endear for me. But.... for me at least, I don't think there's nothing irl that warrant such firepower compare to single barrel tank we have today. :) Btw, about the Juggernaut, it seems that you only play CnC3, so there's my reason: In CnC Tiberian Dawn ( Which is prequel for CnC3), GDI use alot of walker design (Titan, Wolverine, and Juggernaut). The reason being that with how Tiberium agressively alter Earth's envirolment, it make ground nagivation easier. But in CnC 3, GDI retire almost all of their walker design, except the Juggernaut, because: 1. Expensive. And they are under military budget cut. 2. They are easily destroyed, mainly through their leg joint. That's how commando unit can kill it with their explosive. 3. The Juggernaut is an artilery piece, so the weakness you point out, beside their leg, doesn't matter much, since they aren't mean for front like combat. ( In Tiberian Dawn Firestorm you have to deploy it befor it can fire - as lewst as far as I can remember, and in CnC3 you can extend their range throgh the use of GDI Sniper). ;)

[@ScienceRules118]

Mostly, it's because it makes it harder for the gunner to aim (because they have to take both guns into consideration instead of just one, which goes double if they can't independently traverse to converge on point targets, not even counting the parallax effect of your guns necessarily being offset from the gunner's vision devices), it increases strain on the turret drive (especially if the guns fire separately, because that means the recoil is trying to spin the turret against the turret drive, which is a recipe for stripped turret gearing), and it negates the ability to carry more ammunition that you'd get from using a smaller gun. Most sci-fi universes would be better off just carrying a bigger gun.

[@valentinofontaine2444]

instead of 2 little barrels you could create a single one wich can shoots a bigger shell with more firepower basically,instead of having two handguns,use that space and replace it with a single rifle

[@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870]

Because the only advantage of having more than one main gun is for increasing fire rate, but as high caliber tank cannons have massive breenches most of the time the increased reloading speed is nullified by the cramped conditions negatively impacting it or by not having the space to carry enough ammo to keep it up. So it only really works for smaller caliber guns, which in turn cannot harm tanks. In the end a single big gun with maybe a fast autoloader ends up being the best setup. This is why IRL few multi-cannon tanks intended for tank combat have ever been produced, and most of those were either: multi-turreted, had secondary coaxial or hull mounted cannon(s) of a lower caliber than the main one (most often less than 37 mm), or were casemate tanks.

[@mitternacht4062]

In theory if it was big enough it could house two guns with 2 loaders, one for each gun. This would in theory double the rate of fire when engaging targets. But other than that they offer more disadvantages than positives really. If you have a big gun, it's big for a reason: So you can destroy targets with few rounds. Multiple barrels are used by many anti air vehicles, to help increase their fire rate, but these tanks usually don't have calibres which are too large. For larger cannons they don't seem all the beneficial at all as they have way too many downsides to them.

[@heroicspirit474]

The only thing it can theoretically improve is fire rate, but honestly that isn't something that would realistically happen. As in order for that to often work you'd need both guns to be able to move somewhat independently so they could converge on either the same target or separate ones, otherwise you just need to hope they are at the right range for both guns to hit. Not to mention that it's a somewhat complicated thing to have on a tank and would definitely be more than one gunner would be comfortable using.It'd almost have to be AI controlled. Or you have to swivel the turret continuously which would be disorienting. Then a second turret, and any necessary mechanical parts aiding it's functions take up more space, and thus either require the tank to get bigger, making it an easier target or to use more of the available space that it has, decreasing crew space and ammo capacity.

[@noddy1973]

It only took 3 polls where it got outvoted. Great video as always P. S hope you review some of TS units, like Juggernauts counterpart there and the rest of the mechs

[@sleipnirpemolspa2287]

Amen

[@JJEverettRose]

An updated modern version of this game needs to happen with improved graphics and performance would be amazing

[@viktortultukov4098]

Make video about Red alert 3

[@noneedtoknow07]

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[@vietnamtoday9573]

Red alert 2's vehicles aren't so bad, still mostly ridiculous

[@emperorkane317]

I wanna see him go off on the Soviet and Rising Sun tanks.

[@ratleader90]

You should also review the Avatar walker, APC, Stealth Tank, Shatterer, M.A.R.V., and The Redeemer. Just for funzies.

[@sleipnirpemolspa2287]

Let's not forget the slingshot *laughs in less than 0 degrees depression*

[@ЯношБан]

Now, you say that about flame tanks, yet literally only one of them is needed to completely demolish a base. Anyways, happy to see this video and I'd be even more happy to see more. Can't wait to see you rip Scrin's Devourer tank and jump into the Epic units of Kane's Wrath.

[@robertkalinic335]

I was about to comment on that, it wasnt so rare to see somebody trying to sneak flame tank into enemy base in multiplayer matches. Guy driving it even sounds like nod fanatic with driving license so tank design rules dont really apply here.

[@nodariusv3326]

Ah the classic sneaky flame tank.

[@UninstallingWindows]

One important thing that was left out is the placement of the main gun. Its asymmetric and firing it would cause torque and turn the turret+tank itself. For stability reasons, all major guns are at the center axis of their platform. This applies to planes, tanks and navy. Symmetry keeps things in balance. The advantage of quad tracks is that they can be rotated...which would help allot when climbing steep terrain. They would also offer better suspension and if done correctly would allow the tank to be raised or lowered significantly( predator tank ). One interesting thing is the placement of the main gun in the mammoth tank. The gun extends all the way through the tank which would give it much more power( longer gun = higher projectile velocity )

[@davidjones4364]

How about the vehicles of Gears of wars games

[@sebastiankrueger6209]

david Jones They can get chainsawed in half. They are made out of paper.

[@urbanmech8064]

@@sebastiankrueger6209 that's one weapon that did it... a weapon that was made to cut ANYTHING. so its pretty unfair to group all its flaws to one instance.

[@valhalanguardsman2588]

@@urbanmech8064 nurgle boys be defending here

[@Phos9]

I doubt it was intentional, but for the predator tank, moving the gun off center in the turret would allow the driver to be placed in the middle.

[@TheDragonwarlordx]

I played a lot of C&C 3 and Its one of my favorite RTS so it was cool and interserting to see a video about a few of the vehicles Now I would say for some of the stuff about GDI and NOD vehicles may not have everything cause game but I surprised to see there were not a lot of negatives about GDI tanks, there are some stuff here and there but there small to how they work I will say if you get Kane's Wraith you should try a video talking about M.A.R.V. and maybe NOD Steath Tank and Avatar

[@jonnypena7651]

By far one of the best command and conquer.

[@cruxnajii2056]

I'd love to see you critique the tanks from Supreme Commander, I think you might be pleasantly surprised. Mainly because the only unit in Supreme Commander that has any crew is the ACU(Armored Command Unit).

[@BioClone]

which ironically is the only unit that nukes acter being destroyed... xD

[@cruxnajii2056]

@@BioClone Lol

[@GoranXII]

Once you hit a large enough size, quad tracks make sense, since they lower the wear on tracks when turning, especially if independent articulation is possible.

[@deathtrooper199]

Spookston: "And yet again, a sci fi tank with quad tracks'" *1 sin added*

[@TotallyNotAFox]

*Ding*

[@otavio8566]

Warhammer Fantasy steam tank next?

[@TheArklyte]

Da Vinci tank+Cugnot steam car. It's even referenced in its lore with names swapped. Dwarves provided high perfomance steam engine, but since they live in mountains, they have no use for tanks. They use trains, blimps(WG gave them helicopters instead which make no sense. Simply because there was no way to make a blimp look cool) and ironclads(when on see). And Empire can't produce new ones simply because all available engineers are already busy repairing, rebuilding and maintaining existing ones. Funnily enough, there are several subtypes including APC with open top, SPG with howitzer and flamethrower variant.

[@fus132]

@@TheArklyte The schematics for steam tanks were actually lost alongside their creator in a boiler explosion.

[@TheArklyte]

@@fus132 as well as schematics of Me-262 that had sunk with submarine that was carrying them. And yet they've made Kikka on their own. Lost schematics mean nothing, the tanks are constantly REBUILT after getting blown to pieces. Think of soviet Tu-4 which is basically B-29. They can "clone" existing steam tanks and they had engineers, who spent their whole lives repairing those. Problem is high perfomance steam engines and specialists required to do so. Even new designs are possible as Empire had just fielded out their new mechanical horse contraption. All in all, Empire is basically interbellum Poland in terms of tank industry. They can design, but they can't build due to small industry and budget. So instead they maintain what they have.

[@Grounders10]

@@TheArklyte Blimps are cool. Dwarven Zepplins would be amazing.

[@fus132]

@@TheArklyte Of course it would be easy to rebuild shit if the factories and tools were made and used beforehand, but this isn't ww2, so all of the tanks were hand made by one guy in his shed, and due to _that_ fact: "The Steam Tanks are the most confounding puzzle known to the Imperial Engineers School, for after the inventor's death, the secrets of their construction were lost with him and engineers have so far been unable to successfully construct any new steam tanks."

[@thesaviorof8230]

"The turret would likely have a very slow traverse rate" *turret zaps around at mach 5*

[@titanime3830]

thank you video games quad tracks very cool

[@namelessking8905]

Check out the object 490. That was a real prototype.

[@Benjinator12]

Just curious, are there any fictional tanks you find particularly well-designed or practical? And do any of them have radically different designs from modern military hardware?

[@mustached_villain6354]

When I saw the flamer tank I audibly said "Dear god"

[@PablitoAndCo]

Everything wrong with Starcraft's vehicle design :D Please. Very please.

[@fortkavanagh]

LOVE THE VIDEO, can you do an episode 2 on more Command and Conquer's Vehicle Designs please?

[@chaosreaver3597]

Full disclosure, I am an absolute sucker for the CnC games. However, I always thought that the vehicle designs were stupid, like Spookston said in the video, the weird lack of secondary weapons or oddly chosen secondary weapons always bugged me. For example, in CnC: Generals, the Chinese Overlord tank could support auxiliary weapons, but you would have to add them yourself, and they included a full sized CWIS style minigun (in form rather than function) or a turret mounted infantry bunker. That seems like a step too far in the other direction. There is also the fact that some of the vehicles (the "hi-tech" tanks and Mechs - I know they are referred as walkers in the game - were more guilty of this) were designed with an aesthetic in mind over real world functionality (alas, video games, rule one, make it cool). I always ended up using mod programs or manually editing line commands to make the vehicles in the game perform more realistically once I got bored with the main story and multiplayer. But, the vehicles design and performance always made sense with CnC Rock, Paper, Scissors gameplay mechanics.

[@beanlord4347]

REAL MEN USE ONLY KIROVS

[@bundleoffuck2986]

Cover (more if you already have) Gears of War vehicles.

[@faragar1791]

Could you review the vehicle from the game "Foxhole: trench warfare"?

[@rigglesnz]

It's rather silly to take the tanks in a paper, rock scissors RTS game so literally. The predator tank would most likely have a coaxial machine gun as well as a remote controlled turret mounted machine gun to go along with the usual smoke grenades. It's main down side is its massively oversized tracks that have no frontal armour, although they do look rather cool.

[@guguce28]

0:00 to 0:03 SPIN.

[@xiayurei]

another thing to note that was missed in the video is that all of GDI's tank designs have super exposed tracks and would thus be easy to immobilize. liking these videos so far, just the right balance of length & information!

[@christianblair8663]

My favorite thanks ever. The mammoth just screams ''I'm power.''

[@simonnot8487]

ARMOR SUPERIORITY

[@luisgregoriopadilla9553]

One of BEST tanks

[@SuwinTzi]

When the flame tank gets detonated, the fuel tanks can actually damage even air units. Kinda like how the Hand of Nod ball can roll and crush infantry when it gets destroyed.

[@I_Goblin_Slayer]

Could you do a everything Wrong with Starcraft 1/2 Vehicle Design Pls?

[@austinm.9832]

The juggernaut seems like more of a self propelled gun (or GUNS). Ammo might not be a problem if you use rail gun, seeing they have no shells.

[@eerohoppania6562]

You should take a look at Helldiver's vehicles some day. It's honestly a pretty good game and it has some neat mechs and tanks. Anyway good video as always.

[@valhalanguardsman2588]

Those are not mech but technicaly exosuits, and there is no tanks last i cheked, only one tank destroyer, a BMP for those cyber nazis, 2 a bit diffrent APCs (one with auto canon and the other with a 90mm canon)

[@MyanmarWildWaters]

I thought the elevated rear tracks of the predator would help give the tank a "leg up" when climbing up elevations

[@vampirecount3880]

The author of this video should do a little bit more research for these videos. The tracks rant is utterly BS. There is actually some proposal designs of 4 tracked tanks in various configurations for the soviet union (object 279, object 490, amongst others) and the reason why they didnt went into mass production is because the system is much more complex and expensive to produce for not that much of a gain. But the worst part of the video in my opinion is about the juggernaut. Its an SPG, designed for indirect fire. Its artillery. Most "problems" mentioned apart from the legs are present in real life SPGs. "Huge turret that have to turn"? Oh no shit.... No "auxiliary weapons" in an SPG? Well thats also true in most real world SPGs...

[@TheCoolParnell]

Will you EVER be satisfied with a fictional tank or mech? It seems like not only do you find major deal-breaking flaws with all of them, but you also seem to ignore certain details at the deficit of the topic weapon. You complained about the Juggernaut's lack of armor despite the fact that it was suppose to be an artillery platform and not a front-line combat mech. You claimed that the Scorpion doesn't have auxiliary weapons despite the two clear chin guns just below the turret. I would complain further about you constantly harping on si-fi armor design, however, the series is called "Everything Wrong with X's Vehicle Design" and not "An Analysis of X's Vehicle Design." Despite my disappointment, this series is still a great way of educating people about the common pitfalls of armor design. So far I have enjoyed your series, though I do wish that you would bring back your redesigns of the vehicle's that you cover.

[@ВасилийДанилов-у8я]

Juggernaugt was based on a Titan walker from Tiberian Sun,which was phased out of service mostly because it was a walker,and thus impractical. The main reason for Juggernaugt being a walker is because they had a shit-ton of surplus Titan chassis and components for them,so they decided to turn them into self-propelled artillery by welding a bunch of 8-inch howitzers to the top. Its sort of like a Cheiftain ARVE,in a sense that it is based on a previous-generation chassis,but performs non-frontline/secondary roles. Although where they keep ammunition for these guns is still a good question. Considering it should have a range of at least 50 kilometers,they probably can afford to carry a bunch of supply trucks right behind it

[@joedingo7022]

I'd personally like to see what you think of Battlezone 98 Redux's vehicles, seeing as they are everything from basically hovering 1970s MBTs to some of the most viable walkers and howitzers in sci-fi games.

[@picoletor]

in the predator, im pretty sure the driver shoud be laying down inside the chasis, just like the grizzly from RA2, about the jugg, well, i think is inspired by the destroid monster from macross, just like the titan is inspired by the tomahawk, so i ges the driver goes in the crotch of the walker and only the gunner goes in the bubble cockpit? also, if you are not familiar with the tiberium saga, i suggest you to check the original X66 mammoth... pretty much an abrams on steroids

[@aces6262]

Really though, can you try to analyze the Type-61 and HT-01B Magella MBTs from Gundam U.C.?

[@Spookston]

At some point

[@aces6262]

@@Spookston The man himself replied, god bless :)

[@machscga6238]

I am going to point this out especially in C&C Tiberium sun the Juggernaut is a deployable artillery that is used to bombard at long range... I used it a ton for base defense in Tiberium Sun.

[@arsmariastarlight3567]

Mammoth's guns has depression, you can see it by holding ctrl + right click on the ground directly in front of the tank to force attack the ground

[@northropi2027]

To be fair, the "everything is turret" layout was investigated in real life with the TV-8, which carried all crew and a nuclear reactor in a huge oscillating turret that sat on a bit of a bottleneck, making it not dissimilar to the last two tanks and, arguably, Mechs. If you couldn't tell by the usage of the terms "investigated," "reactor," and "TV-8," this did not get very far. All I can really say is that a group of people took this seriously enough to make a mock-up (I think) which makes me feel like obvious shit like the proportionally massive turret, nor the crew growing extra limbs in unwanted places, weren't the problems that actually did it in, and it was something less externally apparent that got it cancelled. ...though come to think of it a lot of cranes are like that too. Obviously they don't need to move a gun around super quickly, but now I kinda want to do a breakdown on exactly how bad it would be and what could actually be gained.

[@youmukonpaku3168]

Sounds like it's probably a workable solution for a superheavy SP artillery piece, not so great for a tank.

[@zathnygothu95]

The tv-8 was never tested with a reactor and i think only a wooden mock up was built

[@northropi2027]

@@zathnygothu95 yeah, I didn't say it got very far. I'm just saying the layout might not be an *instant* death sentence with how long the thing was on the drawing board for.

[@gandharvtenali7085]

Do the NC Vanguard from planet side 2..... I think its one of the best designed tank in all of gaming ....

[@Someinsanity]

He should look at all Planetside2 Tanks. And pray to Vanu. PRAISE VANU!

[@gandharvtenali7085]

@@Someinsanity Boi everyone knows that space america is the best

[@paynepersons6147]

Could you take a look at the vehicles from deserts of Kharak at some point? I'm curious to hear you thoughts on them.

[@Bruh-fb1xn]

Haven't watched this yet but I will in a bit. I can tell I'm going to love since it's command and conquer. The ones before tib 4 was the best. Please do more command and conquer

[@nikkity5491]

Breaths heavyily *yes**

[@LOBricksAndSecrets]

Everything wrong with the batmobiles as possible future episode?

[@Dallows65]

The Mammoth tanks cannons do have vertical traversal. It's not common to see, but they can in game.

[@TycoonTitian01]

lol you think this is weird? Look at Red alert! There are trucks that are literally just drivable nukes

[@johnclement189]

Can you react on the Tiberium Essense mod for Cnc3? There are new vehicles added.

[@armaggedon4christ]

The Mammoth tanks cannons pivot near the rear, watch it shooting at a tiberium spike the cannons will aim up.

[@Ekluzivs_Piens]

Try planetary annihilation: Titans It has a lot, and by god I mean a lot of it, it has more mechanical units than the star wars trilogy

[@crackedjabber]

Quad-tracks. The bane of Spookston's existance.

[@rattledthe2nd716]

Not begging or rushing but are you thinking/ working on the Pacific Rim Jäger(s)?

[@Spookston]

At some point

[@rattledthe2nd716]

@@Spookston okay. I know you're busy so take all the time you need. If you ever do it.

[@rattledthe2nd716]

@@Spookston and thank you for responding. I crave self importance.

[@merc741]

I'd love for a video on Endwar. It's a RTS game that seems to have really realisic vehicles and there's three factions too with different styles. I think you'd get an excellent video out of it

[@dhwwiiexpert]

Ooh, that’s a good one! I should go and beat the campaign this time.

[@SlaveKnightGael1579]

Week 2 of asking for Planetside or Killzone

[@chaosbringerlord]

Maybe do the vehicles from starcraft, especially the terrain ones

[@pakornwattanavrangkul2550]

Wait, no NOD avatar? Boo. Still, great video.

[@gooseling2277]

Sci-Fi combat vehicle : exist Spookston : I am gonna end this man's whole career

[@thorshammer7883]

Can you do a video on the Rhino tank from GTA 5?

[@lewycraft]

Valkyria Chronicles when? XD

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

*Peace through power!!!!*

[@valhalanguardsman2588]

One holstered sword keeps the other in its holster. Or something like that

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

@@valhalanguardsman2588 I thinks it's more, "one sword keeps another sheathed." Still excellent wisdom for all NOD activists! #Kanelives!!!

[@zsolti357]

Can you please do a Red Alert 2 video?

[@Jasina85]

New drinking game - take a shot every time he talks about a vehicle with quad-tracks.

[@valhalanguardsman2588]

*communist party growth rate jumps to 100%*

[@wulfreviews]

i think the vehicle design of Planetside 2 is pretty good, and id really like to see a video on them. love this format, learning a lot about tank design! thanks for the good videos

[@SlaveKnightGael1579]

Minus the prowler

[@wulfreviews]

@@SlaveKnightGael1579 that things a horrible design, i agree

[@a_lexine]

Time for starcraft and starcraft 2.

[@ethanjones9955]

Do Supreme Commander next!

[@TwisterAce]

I'd love to see you make a video about the vehicles in Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun. The Mammoth Mk. II walker, while an impressive machine, probably deserves some critiques. I'd also like to hear your thoughts on the practicality of Nod's subterranean vehicles like the Tick Tank, the Devil's Tongue flame tank, and the Subterranean APC. Even though the gameplay is 2D, there's lots of concept art and 3D renders of Tiberian Sun's vehicles available on the C&C Wiki that can be analyzed.

[@FELONIOUSBOLUSS]

Everybody knows the best fictional tank ever is the glorious LIGHT TANK OF THE GLA!

[@rocket_sensha4337]

That thing? Ha! my horse was faster?

[@youmukonpaku3168]

the GLA Scorpion (...why does everyone name their tank scorpion?) is a real, if shit, tank, though. It's a Carro Armato P-40, except somehow with even worse gun and armor than the literally pre-WW2 Italian design it's based on.