Everything Wrong With Creed II in 16 Minutes or Less

Creed II, the second Michael B. Jordan film in the Rocky franchise, is pretty darn good. Since the third one is coming out soon, we thought we'd go count the sins of part 2.
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[@coolguyyy9071]

I remember the first time when I heard for the first Creed that Rocky would train Apollo’s son, I thought that was a terrible idea at first, now that I saw Creed I and II, I regret saying those words

[@cadillacdeville5828]

I think it was messed up that they had to include it as Apollo having an extramarital affair versus perhaps a kid he never knew about before marriage

[@dougquaid570]

No, you were right.

[@thecunninlynguist]

​@@cadillacdeville5828same. Apollo was a stand up guy. I could never see him cheating on his wife.

[@WarpChaos]

​@@cadillacdeville5828 Well the kid would've been too old otherwise.

[@deykno87]

@@cadillacdeville5828 he was based on Muhammad Ali…with that in mind it makes perfect sense

[@phillychick]

One thing I really liked about Creed II is how it made Ivan and Viktor Drago three-dimensional and sympathetic antagonists. And the boxing matches were really well done. The theater where I was watching REALLY got into it, complete with loud cheering.

[@LucianDevine]

For sure. They could have made them stereotypical villains like they did with Ivan in Rocky IV, but they didn't, and the movie is so much better for it. I especially love the facial expressions in the second fight, all culminating in Ivan throwing in the towel to protect his son. Then he even hugs his son and sticks with him instead of abandoning him like everyone else and like everyone abandoning him all those years ago.

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

Yep. Again turning a villain into a human, because Americans will not accept that some people (e.g. millionaires, politicians) are narcissistic sociopaths, and they want to believe that they are really softeys under it all. No. Some people are psychopaths, and nothing will change that. It is a PHYSICAL condition, and there is no cure. I'm looking at you Donald Trump, er, I mean Darth Vader.

[@SuperPeterok]

Viktor should not have lost

[@jeffhardy6333]

I feel like the boxing matches took a major step down from the first Creed. Watching bodybuilder like heavy weights trade multiple haymakers isn’t boxing. The first one however, worked way better because it involved real boxing choreography with real boxers

[@benlee7947]

@@jeffhardy6333 viktor is played by a real boxer

[@Unknown-individual]

"If he dies, he dies." The most iconic line in the entire rocky franchise if you ask me

[@sheilapatel838]

I really liked the Drago and son storyline and wished we had more of it-was a complicated relationship between them. I’d love to see a spin-off movie of the two of them and maybe a redemption for Drago after being a pariah in his country. And that ex-wife too!

[@toxiclightning5303]

“Yo Adrian I did it!!”? “I pity the fool”? “I must break you”?

[@drewp.weiner2473]

ADRIAN! Is more iconic

[@dnicej1293]

​@@toxiclightning5303 Go for it, always been my fave

[@NotMeNaNaNa]

@@toxiclightning5303 “if I can change, you can change, we all can change” - words that actually stopped the Cold War in real life 😂 Or “hey Tommy, I didn’t hear no bell” - words that nearly killed the franchise until another sequel and now 3 spin off movies resurrected it.

[@supaman1kids]

Adonis punching the canvas before getting up was my favorite part. Still gives me chills

[@davidtatro7457]

And let's give Cinema Sins some credit for actually sinning that instead of removing 30 sins like l know they wanted to.

[@bittybaff3541]

My favorite part of these movies is how Viktor is not a villain, does not become a villain, and that after the fight they become best friends with nothing but respect for each other

[@terminallumbago6465]

Right. Viktor is not respnsible for his father’s actions, grudges, etc. He was just used by his father, the same way his father was used by the Soviet government. The only difference is Drago didn’t abandon his son like his government abandoned him.

[@TheLoneDrow22]

Wait for the 3rd one lol

[@davishickey1465]

There's actually a good reason to take medications with orange juice, especially if that was an opiate pain killer he was taking. Citrus can act as a decent potentiator for opiates.

[@adamsmasher9769]

There are a lot of meds you cannot take with oj like adhd meds

[@jimmyseaver3647]

@@adamsmasher9769 Grapefruit juice tends to be another big one, especially for heart/blood pressure meds. Anything caffeinated, however, kickstarts stuff like Excedrin. It's strange how everyday drinks can affect meds.

[@petermgruhn]

@@jimmyseaver3647 But then, the meds affect everyday people.

[@chrismcdonald2947]

@@jimmyseaver3647 and grapefruit juice also makes birth control ineffective ...

[@markmac2206]

mmmmmmm opiates

[@wizzydoesdallas3408]

Always thought the movie should have ended at that shot with rocky with the creed sweater. Such a great scene.

[@nahor88]

It makes even more sense when you consider Rocky isn't even in Creed 3...

[@SndjjwwejWdbbwene]

True but atleast he got to reunite with his son so he has a happy ending

[@Frysken]

The final fight, when Adonis walked out to Bianca's song gave me goosebumps when I watched it for the first time. The shot of him surrounded by the crowd, with the blue lights, the music in the background as he's getting in the ring, everything about that scene was amazing.

[@bvballer123]

Actually the reason creed's able to take those punches to the face in the second fight is because he trained his neck. Strengthing your neck help reduces concussions, because there's less of a whipping motion when you get punched in the face.

[@jamesordwayultralightpilot]

It's so funny that Rocky joins the team and starts preparing him to get punched in the face!!!

[@tellmesomething2412]

But the brain bounces around...

[@yesyefersin6035]

@@tellmesomething2412 the biggest problem you get with your brain when you get punched in the face is your head moving into you brain, not the other way around so if you train neck your head moves less

[@otb_javede]

​​@@yesyefersin6035eah plus Rocky said during the montage "Build that neck" and immediately after Adonis tanks the punches in the first round Rocky says "All the training in the desert paid off, see"

[@tomassadil324]

That's not even remotely true. Getting more muscles around your neck only makes your chin much, much weaker.

[@son0fgrim]

Drago is actuelly a fairly common slavic name. which i admire that so many parents had the balls to name their kid.

[@akeemamor3106]

If its a surname wouldn't their kids have that name anyway 🤔

[@markmac2206]

im naming my kid Apollo Creed Clubberlang.

[@Hillthugsta]

​@@markmac2206 Your last name is Clubberlang? 🤔

[@walmartpimp2]

@@akeemamor3106 unless it’s a female. Females have a different surname that is similar to the father’s name, but ends differently.

[@softwhiteund3rarm0r]

Dragan. Danny.

[@marcosbrea7635]

What I like is that we all thought Adonis was gonna lose, but instead Viktor is disqualified and Adonis wins by DQ. It was a different turn and made it a bit more surprising.

[@walmartpimp2]

Yeah despite Drago returning, the movie had a lot of Rocky III vibes mixed into it.

[@heavydonkeykong5190]

The Rocky III parallels are something that I like. It parallels III more if you squint, despite being a distant sequel to IV.

[@terminallumbago6465]

@@heavydonkeykong5190I feel like Creed III mirrors Rocky III too. A similar villain, similar story beats, etc.

[@WilliamsPinch]

Love Ivan Drago! Dolph tried to segregate himself from Stallone to stay in character on set and there’s all these bloopers of Stallone trying to kid around and bro out with him😂 He was so annoyed lol.

[@terminallumbago6465]

It’s wholesome how Stallone is actually good friends with these actors irl. He was very broken up over Carl Weathers’ passing recently too.

[@skins4thewin]

I 100% agree! Stallone has come a LONG way in his acting chops. He was simply fantastic in all of the Creed movies. Am truly gonna miss him in Creed 3. The movie will be lesser for it.

[@213chewy]

Stallone has always been a great actor

[@bobapjok4241]

Just go back to Rocky 2 especially with the Adrian childbirth scenes. Stallone was incredible. In all the "emotional" scenes from the Rockys you can just feel it because he is so good

[@nopenopenope131]

Stallone is, of course, one of Hollywood's worst actors. Company to include Bruce Willis, Dwayne the Idiot Johnson, 99% of all MCU and DCEU actors...the list goes on. One might make a case for First Blood being not a horrible performance by Stallone, but if that's his pinnacle - and I strongly suggest it is - then you've built a straw man by which to compare all his other films. Congratulations to Stallone on his reductive mediocrity.

[@staffyman11]

@@nopenopenope131 wow, that's a poor opinion

[@markmac2206]

i know its not the greatest movie but he showed a bit in Over The Top.

[@michelletheia9853]

For the coloring, you probably know this but American cinema has long colored regions in specific hues. East Europe is grey hued (often heavily), SW Asia and NE Africa are yellow/orange, etc.

[@fighterck6241]

Mexico is also yellow hued.

[@likmijnreet4542]

haha, everybody associates Eastern Europe with depression and dread

[@the17thhokage2]

Back to back on the Sins and Wins channels. I’m all for it leading up to Creed III

[@toxiclightning5303]

I’m so hyped I just watched this movie for the first time last week.

[@webbsinferno3242]

Fiancée and I just re watched (well she watched them for the first time) both 1 & 2 and these are great movies. I actually box myself so I’m into them. In fact the first movie was what initially got me into it. My fiancée is not a sports person but even she was liked them. I’m glad they were able to create a movie/write a story where she could be emotionally invested as well

[@terminallumbago6465]

That’s what I like about the Rocky and Creed movies. Even if you’re not a boxing fan, that’s not really what it’s about. It’s just a backdrop. The movie is really about common struggles we all go through. Self-doubt, grief, feelings of inadequacy, etc.

[@JEtienneMusic]

My only disappointment is that the cinema sins crew didn't include the scene where Adonis's trainer referred to Drago as a balanced breakfast 😂

[@mubrek236]

When Rocky Balboa is in the party,all party members receive a %15 physical damage increase and %12 attack speed.

[@nanaasiedu109]

i cant lie the acting in the scene where they are testing their daughters hearing definitely warrants a sin off

[@danielleking262]

That part made me tear up

[@ronbanks5467]

We gonna skip the fact that weight classes apparently don’t exist at all in Rocky/ Creed movies? 😂

[@RoDiggity3743]

Yea I noticed that. And Creed is no heavyweight

[@ghxstyn]

i really wished Michael B Jordan bulked up for the second fight, it would make much more sense. Him beating Drago just because he has a purpose is too weak of a reason

[@childress5000]

True, but there have been exceptions: Roy Jones Jr. started his career at 164/160 and beat a natural heavyweight; David Haye started a cruiserweight and beat a heavyweight over 300 lbs

[@Captain_Yata]

I know literally nothing about boxing but even I could tell they should not be in the same class

[@ChicknCoopTv]

I feel like it's for the underestimated underdog storyline.. lol

[@DeathCorpStudios]

A sin should of been taken off from the scene where the tests show the baby isn’t having a positive response and both Adonis and Bianca are giving a amazing performance showing how emotional that moment is.

[@bayardop]

HAD ME LAUGHING MY ASS OFF

[@TheWarmachine375]

Michael B Jordan: "These Hands Are Rated E For Everyone!"

[@TheWarmachine375]

Guess this is what Erik Killmonger was doing when growing up and become a really dangerous combatant in his own right.

[@nahor88]

When you realize that if they didn't get rid of Killmonger, he likely would have joined the fight against Kang in the next Avengers.... ☹

[@gregrowe1168]

@@nahor88 we honestly never saw him die though. We did see Loki die and Disney still gave him his own show. Killmonger might have gotten the Winter Soldier miraculous save,

[@nahor88]

@@gregrowe1168 He's in the ancestral plane in BP3... pretty sure he's D-E-D, ded.

[@matthewminelli]

​@@nahor88 *BP2

[@danielleking262]

Thank god he at least took a sin away for the AMAZING fighting scenes, because they absolutely blew me away when I first saw this movie.

[@kungfubigfoot]

Viktor Drago's actor Florian Munteanu did so well. For a first-time actor, he did so well some much with his face and physicality since he doesn't have many lines that were really sold e on the movie.

[@triplemoyagames4195]

I'll forever stand by the opinion that Viktor's Drago (Drago's son) had the better storyline potential for Creed II

[@NotMeNaNaNa]

Sin 89 - one of my favorite scenes in the whole Rocky series. Also funny that he went from selling his Firebird to Paulie in Rocky 2 bc he couldn’t drive so good on account of his messed up eye to taking a beating from Apollo, Clubber and another from Apollo and being able to see clear enough to drive a Lambo while looking into his past and jamming out to Robert Tepper 😂

[@dagodfather6986]

13:14 I'll say it once and I'll say it again. Having your goddess of a wife singing you into battle has to be one of the most badass things I have ever seen in my life.

[@grapeshot]

I've always thought that this is a very good spin-off to the Rocky franchise, hearing good things about Creed 3.

[@kamali2593]

That Tessa Thompson sin removal... Justice was done

[@twentywordsorlessYT]

Potentially controversial opinion: this is better than the first one, if only for the "what am I _doing?_ My pride is killing my _son_ , my only child" look on Ivan's face as Viktor is getting the shit beaten out of him. Also, him being named Viktor shows Ivan's aspirations for him.

[@kebabgames420hehexd6]

The biggest sin of this movie is that they removed the scene where they are in the locker room after the last fight and Rocky and Ivan confronting each other

[@walmartpimp2]

It makes no sense, Why would Adonis comfort Ivan? He is the son of his father’s murder, he should have never challenged Adonis.

[@frankie8387]

Have you watched the scene? It’s really powerful. They should have left it in :/

[@walmartpimp2]

@@frankie8387 what scene the Rocky Ivan fight?

[@kebabgames420hehexd6]

@@walmartpimp2 no not the fight at the hospital that scene was stupid. Search after Creed 2 locker room and you will find it

[@walmartpimp2]

@@kebabgames420hehexd6 The scene where Adonis is comforting Viktor in the lockeroom? That scene was stupid and out of character for Adonis. Watch Creed III, there is a scene where Donny is arguing with his wife on how his daughter should deal with a bully. Adonis wouldn't reward his antagonizer with his friendship. Adonis doesn't believe in that love your enemy nonsense. He stands his ground. Granted in Creed III he squashed the beef with Viktor, but we don't know the circumstances of how that came to be. The deleted scene is not canon.

[@jabarinaaw8609]

That "First Take" joke made me laugh harder than it should. Well Played!

[@DeadSexyAdamCheney]

Max Kellerman is pretty douchy

[@gregrowe1168]

He got confused too, called Viktor by Ivan once by mistake.

[@tyrionstrongjaw7729]

Shout out for recognizing that Stallone actually does some great work in this. I hated the idea of Creed at first, felt like a cheap cash grab, but ya know....now I can't wait to watch Creed III. Jordan can carry his weight in any franchise and own a character, and (sure they arn't perfect) but they've captured the spirit. C2 was the send off. C3 should be the start of the next generation.

[@johntravers6223]

Jeremy sinning a boxing movie 50 times for boxing is so funny to me

[@MrRedfoxx1989]

16:35 paying off the Pat-A-Cake outtake line. Freaking brilliant.

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

For the second fight, he had the legendary hero Rocky who increased his attack by 250%. He also received 777 free draws.

[@mikemurphy2932]

Did anyone else notice that the Cavaliers were beating the Lakers AND the Browns were beating the Raiders? Apparently at the same time, and both on ESPN2? Since when does ESPN2 have Monday Night Football, unless it's the Manning Cast? I'm from Cleveland, so I love the Cavs and Browns references. I have a hypothesis that there are a ton of movie/film/TV workers who are from Cleveland that try to sneak in references to the city and its sports teams any way they can into media. I call it the Drew Carey Theory.

[@BobSmith-cq9xb]

13:00 This is 100% accurate! You nailed it, Cinema Sins! I took a trip with my Family to go visit my retired Grandparents in Las Vegas when I was 22. While driving down the Highway, we had a blowout I my Grandfather's car. So, my brother and I go out to check it, and start to put the Spare Tire on. I was in shorts, and I knelt down to begin loosening the nuts on the Tire, and as soon as my knee touched the pavement, it scorched me! I jumped up and yelled a bit, and when I looked at my knee, a sizeable chunk of skin had just peeled right off and stayed on the Highway!

[@bjh903]

"I guess that's no first takes for Max Kellerman anymore" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@howyoudurrinhunneh]

Russell Hornsby is great and I forgot he was in this movie. He also played Don King in the Hulu version of Mike Tyson.

[@deanta14]

Its not just a rocky situation. Apollo literally died in the ring facing him. That’s how the whole thing came together full circle. That was an unnecessary sin

[@rmannayr2129]

THE BONUS ROUND WAS EPIC!

[@thomasmiller4710]

At 15:05, Donny looks so much like Carl Weathers (Apollo) that I got chill bumps. Here's to the Third Creed holding its head up with the first two.

[@s.haynes6759]

I can see it.

[@cadillacdeville5828]

I think it was messed up that they had to include it as Apollo having an extramarital affair versus perhaps a kid he never knew about before marriage

[@TheStormbringer8751]

That would make Adonis too old then. Remember, the Rocky franchise goes back to like 76. Stallone is in his mid 70s now. That would put Adonis in his late 30s early 40s if he was a premarital baby.

[@johnharris6655]

But I love the premise of Apollo's wife taking Adonis in and raising her like he was her own son. Apollo does have kids with Mary Anne in Rocky 2.

[@nahor88]

I don't know why people are so down on this... we're HUMAN BEINGS. We're not fucking perfect. It's worth remembering that Apollo bullied Rocky into doing a re-match with him in Rocky 2. He became good friends with Rocky and his family, but he had his own flaws. It's not beyond fathoming that he let his own fame/ego get to him, and gave in to a hot babe while he was touring.

[@datsapaddlin]

Drago had that man lookin like he was in a car crash after that first fight.

[@nadecha5326]

No matter how many Creed movies they make Apollo is still the best Creed character. Dude was oozing way more charisma for his character than Michael B could ever summon up for this generation of movies.

[@thecunninlynguist]

And creed movies make Apollo an adulterer. I never felt Apollo would do that to his wife.

[@grapeshot]

I wouldn't compare the two. There's Carl Weathers and then there's Michael B Jordan both of them bring their own style to the characters they play.

[@Tizjiz]

@@thecunninlynguist you’d be surprised. I mean I never thought MLK would have side pieces..

[@Endelece]

@@thecunninlynguist Apollo's charisma was undeniable, but he was still an egotistical, narcissistic prick which put himself second to none when it came to his own whims. He was the best at what he did and showed real care and affection for his close ones, but he was in no means a paragon of virtue. Him having an affair, especially as we see him portrayed in IV, is absolutely in-character.

[@davidtatro7457]

Apollo was a narcissist, and Adonis isn't. And that's why his character lacks the smooth charm and cultivated charisma of his father. I'd say both actors played their characters extremely well, even though the characters were very different.

[@tjniezek3096]

Damn you cinema sins !!! I can't watch a movie now without analyzing it and hearing pings in my head !!! For that I'm giving you a sin🎵 . But because I love your videos I'm removing a sin🎵, so were even . Keep up the great work !

[@skins4thewin]

Movie had better get a sin off for the amazing "Go to War" song. Shit goes hard. EDIT - Good job!

[@88porpoise]

Ok that bonus round was just epid. So freaking perfect.

[@jonathangray4513]

That max Kellerman jab was crazy😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheCleanRapper93]

I cried at 9:53 when I saw it in theaters. I can’t even lie. Whewwww 😢

[@jerryc5743]

3:20 - he could have told Adonis what Gazzo’s driver told, “take her to the zoo” 😂

[@vegitausa]

The beginning of the movie really reminded me of Iron Man 2

[@egberthigglewonk4520]

The thing about Adonis's age.. you'd be assuming the story takes place in 2018. Could've been in 2012 to '15 for all we know. All the Rocky sequels were kinda vague in their timeline.

[@AllHoursComedy]

Except that the previous movie had Paulies date of death on his headstone and showed the year various boxers were Olympic contenders

[@gregrowe1168]

In 2018, he was 31 in real life so they actually got an actor who actually pretty much played their real age.

[@AllHoursComedy]

Plus the first film literally opens with a scene listed as 1998 and then jumps to the next scene being listed as 2015.

[@ColinoDeani]

lol the secoond ding had me laughing early rofl "Punching your kid awake" 😂

[@GCT1990]

Sin everytime he adds a ridiculous amount of sins just because he can... You added 50 sins due to boxing... In a movie about boxing...

[@playboi.monke_7658]

Worst part was he even mentioned it was about boxing before sinning it

[@FrostbyteEXE]

6:17 "Losing to the Cleveland Browns" LMFAO

[@voigto]

Man as an Aussie visiting the Philly museum was so depressing. Just lines and lines of people standing in front of the Rocky statue when there's an entire museum of real history metres away.

[@whiplash9548]

I feel like this movie is totally underrated. I loved it.

[@victorowen2592]

I agree that whole, “omg the baby look just like (insert parent)” after birth is too much for me. I have 4 and they look like babies till they hit bout 3 years old and I start seeing similarities to the parent

[@SolCresta3405]

I enjoyed this movie.

[@MrRedfoxx1989]

13:13 Everyone in Moscow Idaho having their hopes crushed in this moment while everyone in Moscow Texas SHOUTING “Can I get a Hell Yeah”

[@JediPhoenix1976]

Tessa F*cking Thompson, indeed. I get the need for a short version of "I Will Go To War" in the movie, but I'd add a sin for the soundtrack not having a full length version.

[@davidwoloshyn]

nahthe biggest sin of this movie was cutting that deleted scene after the final fight with Adonis and Viktor in the locker room, and then Adonis looking Ivan in the eye and wordlessly forgiving him for killing his dad.

[@GOESPRODante]

I can't wait to watch the birdman video so he can call out the "I can't wait to see what this kid does" sin lol

[@jaydisqus3353]

He's got first take jokes, y'all.

[@TheWarmachine375]

*thumbnail* "Yup, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation."

[@kbm875]

I hear the Rocky Balboa Theme Song on the radio, genre, show tunes, then this pops up in my feed… CINEMASINS!!! Are you secret following my favorite movies?!?!

[@TheIceMan23]

i remember watching this never when it came out and then never watching it again years later

[@Skribbyl]

Below 20 minutes…..cinemasins loves this film 😊

[@jaysco5257]

10:45 Adonis goes Super Saiyan in the Rejuvenation Chamber lol he actually said in the Million Dollaz Worth of Game interview that he's a fan of anime. So in Creed III, I hope to see some Ippo level type boxing against Jonathan Majors.

[@cobysampson9609]

This guy adds sins for no reason

[@ayomideogundeji3622]

Nah that walk-in scene was iconic

[@mariapapadopoulos3640]

Best line in the video: "Jack Pearson is alive". I howled at that one.

[@Corey-p3e]

“Kids” is in a tiny class of jokes that only gets better with age. 😂

[@eliciaseward3930]

Words cannot describe how long I’ve been waiting for this video

[@locomotivetrain3797]

The baseball thing about the runner on second is so relatable

[@javierrodrigo6350]

That one comment about kyiv looking like a Call Of Duty flashback, didn't age quite so well

[@Sjs9000]

LOL

[@Deiscimo]

im about to to give you 50 sins, for sinning boxing 50 times... its a great sport XD

[@Memelord2020]

Drinking game: Take a shot for every ding

[@someguywithaphone5921]

The Please Touch Museum, and the Franklin Institute are also great ways to spend a day.

[@ItsJOHNMayne]

6:13 Boxing is bigger than MMA worldwide

[@stoagymahalo5268]

Like no joke, I'm a boxer but now I'm also an IT technician now. But I'll always come back to Rocky for the boxing because my dad was a boxer from inspiration.

[@NashtyNation]

We do absolutely need the universal designated hitter btw

[@Darthalas]

Great video... I can't however believe how much one of the joke sins messed me up!! It was always patty cake when I was growing up and now my mind is blown.

[@YaBoiJamo]

9:50 cinema sins has the same takes on Major League Baseball as my dad

[@iyannaherron]

video was awesome sauceeee! ✨Boxtrolls next✨

[@RevokedSniper]

At 8:47 creeds walkout music is the intro part of jaden smiths - icon, just thought it was funny cause I haven’t heard that song in years

[@FuzzyStripetail]

Gary the Sports TV announcer Gary-ing on about a boxing match press conference that was already previously covered was the punchiest thing about this movie.

[@JuanHMartinez]

The water sound effect is to convey both the swimming and Bianca's hearing loss

[@adamwoolston253]

Bro really gave 50 sins to a boxing movie for having boxing in it

[@How-I-Make]

the pat-a-cake joke… priceless

[@the_opperrator6571]

Creed II is def one of my favorite movies all time,

[@Kidkinsey]

It was really lit like a call of duty mission 😭😭

[@skins4thewin]

A damn shame that Rocky wasn't in Creed 3.

[@nahor88]

All I wanted was a damn cameo, and MBJ couldn't give us that. I mean, he PRODUCED the damn movie! **SPOILERS** Mary Anne's funeral would have been a great opportunity to show Rocky comforting Adonis, as he knew Mary Anne for a long time and likely would have wanted to come. Another idea was to show a clip at the end of Rocky watching Adonis fight Damian on TV with Robert and his grandson. Pan the camera over the back of a lay-z boy chair, then pan around to his face and have him say "you did good kid".

[@gnranger]

@@nahor88 Dude, it’s not MBJ’s fault. Sly is mad at Irwin Winkler and his son David over the rights to the Rocky franchise. Winkler made him give up the rights to Rocky before Rocky I if Sly ever wanted to cast as Rocky(Winkler did this to Sly at a time when he was deep in poverty). Sly has only ever made his cut of the movie profits if he’s in them, he doesn’t get anything else from the whole franchise he created. So he’s said he won’t be in any other Creed/Rocky movies if Irwin and David are involved or he gets some of the rights, which he wants for his children when he passes.

[@MrFitzonic]

13:16 "Tessa fucking Thompson" you forgot to *add* the sin!

[@akeemamor3106]

Not removing a sin for that training screen is a sin *ding*

[@irvingmartinez98]

That shot at Max Kellerman hurt not gonna lie 😂😂😂