Everything wrong with Halo's Scorpion tank

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[@Spookston]

There seems to be some common themes in a lot of these comments, so I'll address them 1. "It's the future, you can't understand how it works." - It is the future, yes, but the Scorpion is either using modern or outdated concepts. It taking place in the future doesn't make these concepts any less outdated. In fact, it's the opposite. Technically you could make WWII era tech more effective by updating it with future technology, but it would still be less effective than updating modern tech or simply using future tech. 2. "The 90mm with APHE is fine, maybe they have future propellant that makes it really good, and improved the APHE shell." - If you can make a future 90mm that is more effective than a modern 120mm, why would not make a future 120mm and make it exponentially more powerful than a modern 120mm? A 120mm is, by principle, more powerful than a 90mm, regardless of the timeframe. The same goes for the ammunition. HEAT and APFSDS is, by principle, more effective than AP/APHE. A 90mm APHE shell has less explosive potential than a hand grenade, while a 90mm HEAT shell had around 7 times the explosive potential of an APHE shell, and has the added benefit of being much better at penetrating armor. In Halo lore, it's confirmed that the Scorpion's 90mm isn't seen as adequate by the existence of the Grizzly, which has two 120mm cannons firing HEAT shells. If the Grizzly's armament is what is seen as necessary to be adequate or surpass Covenant armor, then the Scorpion should at least have one 120mm firing HEAT. The existence of the M820 Scorpion with a 152mm ETC gun also confirms this. 3. "Moving the engine to the front is bad, because it produces a larger thermal signature, and most modern MBTs have the engine in the rear. It also makes the engine less protected." - Tank engines are so hot that it doesn't really matter if the engine is in the front or the back, the tank is going to be seen regardless. Most modern MBTs have their engines in the rear because they follow traditional tank design; turret in the middle, driver up front. The Scorpion has the turret in the back and the driver in the middle. With that in mind, where does that leave space for the engine? In the front. Engine protection is superfluous. In actual tank-on-tank combat, the vast majority of the time it only takes one shot to disable an enemy tank. Putting the engine up front provides more protection for the crew. You can replace vehicles, you can't replace people. 4. "Mjolnir costs around as much as a frigate. It would be too expensive to give the Scorpion plasma-ablative armor." - The plasma-ablative armor was one of many components of Mjolnir. I imagine the most expensive components were the neural interface, power supply, strength enhancement, the liquid crystal "computer" system, and atmosphere regulation systems. Considering how the UNSC seems to like throwing money at their problems, I don't see it being that much of an issue if it allows the Scorpion to survive longer in combat. 5. "The independent track pods are a good idea, it allows for better cross country mobility." - Actually, it's the opposite. You want your track to be aligned with your hull. If the Scorpion tried to climb a steep hill, the front tracks would begin climbing, but since they have free range of motion, the hull would not angle to crest the hill. The hull would dig straight into the hill while the tracks tried to keep ascending. Not to mention that making a mechanism which would be capable of transferring power to the tracks while they are freely rotating would be difficult and a maintenance nightmare.

[@SolarCrunch]

mer merr merrr

[@bbarbiter]

Well, I don't know anything about tanks, but I do know that there are a few variants of scorpion in halo 5, maybe one of those would be more efficient?

[@OniRolix]

but you should make this into a series. now i watch the rest of your vids

[@ulfenburg7539]

the only thing im reading and hear is excuses and tears

[@MegaPainLove]

I had to stop reading after 2 because I couldn’t take the blatant bias anymore. You do know that mass is only half of the equation right? That means a faster projectile with less mass CAN have more kinetic energy than a larger-slower projectile. Additionally, there is the issue with capacity and general utility. The military used to use .308 for general use, now they use a .223 which is much smaller. You would say “why not use the .308 because it has a higher destructive capacity” but the fact is the magazines are smaller and the ammunition is more expensive and heavier. The same is true for large munitions, the larger the cannon the more difficult to carry enough ammunition. Say what you want but there is certainly a give and take when it comes to cannon size. And you literally how good future explosive-armor piercing shells are. Just saying.

[@Helix597]

Everything wrong with master chiefs relationship skills

[@ilyushin1]

Chief (Doesn't) know what the ladies like

[@Helix597]

Xioas_1 he needs lessons from you know who

[@milandestep9967]

If you look up how the suit works it tells you there's a stimulants so he don't get horny Aunt turns his horniness in the combat effectiveness

[@deadmandave1403]

"Oh, I know what the ladies like."

[@EnterpriseKnight]

Get in the Mijolnir Mark 6, Shinji-I mean Chief.

[@Spaceman404.]

The Pelican has a 70mm auto-cannon in the nose and the Longword fighter has 110mm rotary cannons with 120mm rotary guns in the ventral position, but the Scorpion has 90mm HV gun, Halo's choice of what to give vehicles has always struck me as odd

[@Nighthawk2401]

The Longsword's isn't extremely unreasonable from what I can tell. It's mainly an interceptor, not a fighter, so heavier guns would be necessary against the larger craft it's designed to kill. Judging by their looks in game though, there's no way they're rotary cannons, or smaller ~30mms. The rest though seem like someone didn't know what to label them as

[@thomasdembowski9314]

Nighthawk 2401 the armament on the longsword is 6 50mm (in the wings) and two 110 or 120mm guns in either wing; they apparently fold into the wing or fuselage when not in use

[@Yui_187]

It has to look cool and sleek

[@pouuko7656]

Halo vehicles sacrificed practically for two things: looking badass and balancing gameplay.

[@Phwonk]

That's just because the author doesn't know shit about guns or bullets. It's mentioned somewhere that the sniper fires like 114mm bullets, it doesn't, it fires 14.5x114mm, a real round used a lot by Russia, it's a bit bigger than a .50 caliber. I don't know what the pelican actually fires but it's likely a 20mm. That's always something that's bugged me, they switch between the right and wrong terminology a lot. Also there are different moddles of scorpions with different size guns. I believe the one on H5 is 155mm, ive also heard of 105mm and of course 90mm moddles, they swap a lot between games, which is cool because a lot of things people assume are just art style changes but in actuality it because it's made by a different manufacturer or is a new/ old moddle. Though things like elites turning into ogers was originally just pure retardation that was "fixed" by saying theres different sub species of elites even though that was literally never mentioned till people started getting mad at 343i.

[@MarcusLehto]

Great critique of my old design from 2000. I think you are spot on with the suggestions to make it more believable.

[@Spookston]

Thanks, that means a lot! I hope my suggestions didn't come off as crass or anything. Thank you for contributing to my all-time favorite game.

[@Chuked]

Wow dude you are a legend

[@jcon5698]

What a G

[@cumaakuyangtahu5982]

Is this for real? Are you Marcus Lehto, the Creative Art Director from Bungie? Wow, what a legend

[@Mortablunt]

Thank you for making one of my favorite games of all time.

[@huntermacdonald6431]

I believe the engine in the back was more of a gameplay thing so you could plant a grenade in it.

[@Bowfella]

Yeah but when you board an enemy tank you throw the grenade down the hatch in-game.

[@gorgfrombozo]

@@Bowfella you can board from the back or front, If no grenades are present then you beat the shit out of it with your first, because that's what Spartans do.

[@josephdoria5237]

“I’m punching it right in the radiator!”

[@Bowfella]

@@gorgfrombozo Oh shit I forgot you can do that. I just always board it from the front because I want a tank.

[@gorgfrombozo]

@@Bowfella God made people like you so that you can put the u in fun

[@Trasky_UK]

Wasnt expecting this vehicle however I did highly enjoy it. Next on the series... SCARAB

[@crossfox1991]

I feel like the scarab would be fine. Its probably more of a terror weapon then a main battle weapon. The covenant probably use it to blast a few towns and citys and scare a race into joining them

[@jrlgarage]

the Deutros Scarab (Halo 3, Halo Reach, ODST) is really just a massive super Hunter, it’s not exactly a crew-operated platform like the Protos Scarab seen in Halo 2 (which is my favorite and probably the best scarab). The Deutros is controlled by a colony of Lekgolo worms while the Protos is just a massive mining platform controlled by a crew

[@AnakinSkywakka]

Roberts right, it's more of a terror weapon. Pretty much like the AT-AT from Starwars.

[@YEAHKINDA]

@@jrlgarage I'd love to see that thing fucking respond to someone preforming maintenance on the armor plates just like "Yo is this too snug?" (entire valley shaking) "Nah it's aight"

[@endorsedbryce]

@@crossfox1991 In lore is primary function is actually a troop transport hilariously.

[@cleanerben9636]

I think the Scorpion was meant to be a budget tank. The UNSC is huge but has no real enemies. Just a peace keeping force that occasionally has to fight some under equiped rebels now and then. You don't need a hugely powerful tank for asymmetrical warfare. The only thing I can't get my head around is the weight. It doesn't look meaty enough to weigh over 60 tons.

[@Tom-gv7hc]

unlimited ammunition adds to the weight by quite a bit I'd assume

[@chocchip4172]

@@Tom-gv7hc Infinite ammo = just adds on like 10 tonnes UNSC approved. UNSC also approves of rocket launchers only have homing rockets when Marines and ODSTs use them!

[@georgerose1252]

The new M820 variant in 5 is a lot more reasonable in several ways. It weighs about half as much, fires a much bigger future-tech round, and generally has a lower profile

[@KoishiVibin]

Yeah... 66 tons seems... off. I mean, an M1 Abrams is 60 (short) tons. A T-90 is 51 tons.

[@proxy1359]

And wraiths would be quite superior to scorpions in real life.

[@jimmyjumpcutdown1158]

Halo 2 Scarab: *Exists.* Scorpions: WHY WON’T YOU DIE!? *Constantly shooting the Scarab with no affect to its incredible armor.*

[@jimmyjumpcutdown1158]

Scarab: Oh no, the armor on me is so dummy thicc... I even grabbed the attention of The Demon. Halo 4 Harvester: Now that’s just cute.

[@EmanGameplay]

NANOMACHINES, SON!

[@notaveragecr6041]

117 with a spartan laser: pathetic.

[@bengamerlsyolo6788]

@@EmanGameplay Ah, I was expecting to see a man of culture here.

[@Cpt_Boony_Hat]

5 Scorpions to kill a Scarab

[@templariclegion2826]

I don't thing Bungie understood that HEAT and High Explosive Armor Piercing were different types of ammunition. The game was developed in 1999, so it would make sense that the lack of easily available information (especially information that would change nothing about the game itself) wouldn't be a priority to spend resources on. So, they just slapped a cool name on it and went on there way.

[@vilas_pt]

thumbs up

[@CatAdvantage]

PurpleStorm8 did you... read the comment?

[@victordiaz118]

I think Bungie doesn’t understood a shit of canonic histories

[@BungieStudios]

Some of Bungie's team members were retired military. They took a lot of inspiration and advice from them. Obviously they're not going to know everything and I don't think Google would have offered answers back in 1999 with search engines still battling it out. It's still kind of hard to find military related info for creating credible artwork. Look at Hollywood. I cringe every time I see fingers on the trigger, no bone support, and chicken wing arms when shooting. That's all day one shit.

[@BungieStudios]

They put a lot of work into fleshing out the world of Halo. The UNSC is essentially like the Star Wars Empire fighting guerillas on their colonies. The colonists only have what the UNSC has if anything. The UNSC likes to be quick reaction and it shows in their designs. I gotta give credit to Bungo for that.

[@mattf4u-496]

Nobody: Spookston: “Yo like have you seen what’s wrong with the Halo scorpion tank?”

[@ferbthe2gadgetguy]

Didn't know I wanted something like this until now.

[@thebonnevilleof5933]

@@dejvaju5052 its the tank from the fallout series.

[@hitmanx200]

Dumb forced meme

[@endorsedbryce]

I think about it every time I use the thing in game.

[@ARealPain]

Ok

[@ausaskar]

Pretty sure (in canon) the Scorpion has a crew of 2, you can even see the 2nd member's hatch in the H2 footage you're showing. Chief can just drive it solo because he's chief.

[@Mr101600]

Maybe Cortana takes over the secondary crew members job.. assuming there is nothing that needs to be physically done?

[@panzerrjcb]

Soldiers with neural interface ( spartans ) can drive a scorpion solo, because their heads ups display has cameras that show the road and the direction the turret its facing. Hope i helped.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

Where tf would the 2nd guy go lel

[@ausaskar]

@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial Right next to the first, look at the Halo 1 Scorpion and you can see the second hatch. Playing as Master Chief makes things seem a lot smaller than they actually are.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

@@ausaskar fair enough

[@spartanx9293]

3:54 you can literally be sniped out of it

[@cameronwilliams7930]

Halo 1 was basically a chain link fence you'd put in front of your face...

[@three-bark1928]

Don't forget that the scorpion is sentient and can operate independently, technically not needing an actual driver Sheila is watching

[@hunterjones225]

A look at Halo Wars' Grizzly as an evolution of the scorpion could be a future video should you choose to continue

[@FrostyWheats]

Hunter Jones was literally about to comment this

[@greenglow5724]

Plasma Reno halo war

[@RuneMasterKnight]

what about the Fatboy from supreme commander? is that still considered a tank? a mobile factory? a mobile base? a land battleship?

[@stylesrj]

@@RuneMasterKnight Yes.

[@MazelTovCocktail]

Bungie always held the philosophy of “the rule of cool” Anything in the game, story, or greater universe can be modified/removed/replaced so long as its really fucking cool. Bungie always started their projects from a sense of realism, and then changed everything to make it cool, even if it created contridictions or broke he story, or didn’t even really make sense. So long as its cool, it’s in.

[@Gooey27]

Cool

[@paaatreeeck]

kinda like 40k

[@ConfusedGeriatric]

@Samuel Shin lol dumbass.

[@JeremySharpSMSG]

@@ConfusedGeriatric hes got a point. Its the future. We know nothing about what will be invented 200 years from now

[@ConfusedGeriatric]

Jeremy Sharp you’re right. I think we still need to apply some common sense rules though. Otherwise literally anything is as plausible as anything else, because “future tech”.

[@TarsonTalon]

My explanation for why the Scorpion exists is two-fold: Space is big, and government corruption is bigger. Before the Covenent/UNSC war, there were colonial revolutions being fought against Earth's central government. I'd like to believe the design was intended to be bad, because should any of these tanks be captured by the rebels, they would be useless for them because the Pelican dropship's armor is thick enough to withstand 90 millimeter rounds. Since the rebels did not have tanks of their own, the Scorpion was 'fine', though it likely went through the same military industrial complex BS we see these days like with the F-35. Was likely a hybrid electric tank, which is why it weighed so much, as someone had mentioned. Really, the more important military asset was the dropships. However, when the Covenant came about, it was nearly impossible to replace the Scorpion, because of the insane logistics involved with shipping new tanks and new parts across the galaxy. So instead, the UNSC adopted a Soviet-inspired method of logistics, where you just churn out crummy weapons in mass quantities and throw them at the enemy. That is why you don't see a lot of attachments on guns in Halo, bar ODST variants, because they are meant to be brought to the front as quickly as possible. Since soldier survivability was pretty low anyway, there was no use in giving the vast majority better equipment. But they better make darn sure that they HAD equipment! Yes, there could have been a better tank. But this can easily be explained away by the idiocy we see now in the world. There's probably a good reason why the human colonies wanted to rebel...

[@paladinboyd1228]

Tarson Talon, That actual makes sense. Plus given how large the UNCS you would need cheap and easy to make weapons to insure the front that is halfway across the galaxy is still there by the time the tanks are made and shipped.

[@nguyenbagiap7433]

It's always logistic that make what looked to be idiotic choices happened. T-34 Russian and M4 sherman. Both are literal death trap.

[@paladinboyd1228]

nguyen ba giap, The reports about the sherman being a death trap are debatable.

[@nguyenbagiap7433]

@@paladinboyd1228 they have two versions, original and turret upgraded. The later is quite the killer again German tanks. So the death trap is probably come from the original when their cannon was inadequate to fight face to face against German tanks.

[@paladinboyd1228]

nguyen ba giap, Ah, yeah I forgot that different versions often share names. My mistake.

[@MultiVulture]

Next up. "Everything wrong with Command & Conquer Red Alert 3 Tsunami tank"? I'd actually be really interested in that.

[@Delta4280]

I mean, a lot of C&C vehicles don’t make sense

[@dsdy1205]

And then the Apocalypse Tank after!

[@ironraccoon3536]

YES PLEASE

[@imabigblackduck]

The scorpion is ready! That tank is hella weird.

[@jordananderson2728]

Mammoth tank from the Tiberium Wars? Twin-barrel plus rockets always struck me as impractical.

[@noviammapping8226]

Eh. If it has a working gun and can kill most covenant vehicles. It works.

[@proxy1359]

Well if the balance between covenant and UNSC tach was realistic then both scorpion and abrams would get destroyed rather easily.

[@notaspartan3239]

Not to mention infinite ammo

[@karsten3360]

If it works..... IT WORKS

[@Anvarynn]

*_It just works_*

[@cr90captain89]

@ALSO-RAN ! not to mention 90mm isn't that bad considering the speed of the rounds. the scorpion launches hyper velocity rounds hence the vapor trail.

[@iexplodonateri7378]

I wanna see "Everything wrong with the Grizzly" Yes, I know, it's Halo Wars, but shove off, that's a good side series.

[@iexplodonateri7378]

@Neon Dawn Yeah, Rhino was good. I wish it was more available.

[@thejuggernault9647]

Well, we actually drive Grizzly tanks in Halo SPV3

[@iexplodonateri7378]

@@thejuggernault9647 What's SPV3

[@thejuggernault9647]

@@iexplodonateri7378 a PC mod for Halo CE, with new weapons and vehicles, Map modifications and the addition of Brutes, one of the best Halo Mods

[@yobob591]

I Explodonater I it has a second gun where history has shown that more than one gun is a waste of space for an unnoticeable increase in firepower

[@JACCO20082012]

The Grizzly tank from Halo Wars is much more in line with what you describe. I think, canonically, the Scorpion is made to be a rapid deployment platform which would explain the smaller gun and more minimalist design. It makes sense that the Marine Corps would use something like that given the fact that by nature it is a rapid deployment force. So by calling it a main battle tank, it could be that it is the main battle tank for the Marine Corps. Not for the UNSC overall. Then again, it’s a video game and none of that truly matters. Lol

[@facosa9924]

Yeah. In a war where you must deploy units and support battles between a shit ton of planet with complicated logístics, its makes sense. Lets compare, from wwii, the tanks used in the european battles and the ones used in the pacific war. In the european front, tanks from the late war were mainly big, with low speed and good armor and guns. Europe was a single landmass. Logístics werent an easy task, but still they had a good network of airfields, trains and roads conecting everything a cross the continent. That why germans had Tigers and Panthers with no problems, Russians had their KV2 and IS2, and technically the first nazi defeat was when their tanks couldnt cross the sea between Englsnd and France. Now lets see the Pacífic War. All the battles were fought a cross diferent Islands, where the only way to deploy units was trough sea and, only when the Island was adecuated, air. Deployment of tanks and other ground units on Europe was easy compared to the nightmare of doing it in the Pacific Islands. Thats why japanese used lighter tanks, easier to transport and deploy, and their heavy tanks production was low. Now lets compare that to the halo unvierse, where All fights are fought a cross diferent planets All across the universe, where the only way to deploy tanks its via air. You would definetively want a more japanese minimalistic design, wouldnt you? That also explain why an Air unit like the pelícans or the longswords have way beter armament that a tank. Those are easier todeploy a cross the galaxy, while tanks are merely a support unit for ground operations that cannot be done from Air

[@facosa9924]

Srry, Im on cellphone and my autocorrect is set to spanish and some broken english

[@TrailRider1200]

@@facosa9924 It's the M4 Sherman of the Halo universe. There are bigger, better, tougher things, but it works and is reliable, we can build a lot of them, and we can get them to the battlefield easily

[@niloyness]

I agree. The Scorpion would've been more suited as a light tank and the Grizzly as a heavy. Dropping Grizzlies in HW and HW2 always gave me chills.

[@fraychiken]

Who would win? A Scorpion tank? Or One Modern MBT (whatever nation you like).

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

The Modern MBT, because the Scorpion in game has not been shown to have a stabilizer, very good zoom, ease of use, or very good ammunition types and the modern MBT can assume a hull down position better and just snipe it from kilometers away, one shot to the turret would disable it easy.

[@homiespaghetti1522]

Weasel

[@Guy_GuyGuy]

Build a modern-day MBT design with 26th century armor and firepower technological advances, wipe the floor with both.

[@wn6886]

The CCS class battlecruiser the scorpion’s crew calls in for orbital artillery support?

[@battleoid2411]

@@wn6886 why is a scorpion calling a covvie ship?

[@FoxElliott]

UNSC: *Makes primary assault rifle have no iron sights or any kind of scope for infantry.* Everyone: *Hey look they're tank design is weird!*

[@meeshii3]

It does make some sense, considering everyone and their mother canonically has a heads-up display.

[@FoxElliott]

@@meeshii3 the thing is a bullpup rifle and it has the accuracy of 1920's sub-machinegun, no heads-up display is gonna fix that.

[@meeshii3]

@@FoxElliott Those are just gameplay mechanics. In the books they were much more accurate, and everyone still had a heads-up display. What's most concerning is the fact that the MA5B is gas operated, yet it would be almost mechanically impossible in real life. I'm also wondering how they managed to fit 60 rounds of 7.62 into a relatively small box magazine, or how it has no feeding issues when the magazine is angled downwards.

[@shaneebahera8566]

the neural interface provides a heads up display and all unsc personel have one implanted

[@manictiger]

@@FoxElliott Eh, even the tommy didn't spray like that. Shocker, but if you shoot a bullet through a carbine-sized barrel that wasn't made in Afghanistan by a 12 year old, you should usually be able to tap out to 100 yards. You may need to zero the hell out of it, depending on how janky everything is, but it should be wrong in such a consistent way that you can create a grouping from your shots.

[@QUIROPTEROHOLLOW]

4:00 Remember the Shermans had hatches with spring assitance to open them, maybe it's something similar.

[@LIGHTNING278TH]

all hatches do. from experience, those things are really heavy. and with how the operator sits, the forward swinging hatch makes the most sense. In addition to being the most ergonomic solution, it also provides the operator with some measure of protection.

[@cameronwilliams7930]

Halo 1 had a chain link fence you'd put in front of your face. Really great at protecting you from sniper fire...

[@LIGHTNING278TH]

@@cameronwilliams7930 yeah but that was also multiplayer only.

[@meeshii3]

Most modern hatches are hydraulically assisted and do not use springs.

[@sertchouwy3506]

The Baneblade Superheavy rolling fortress from WH40K would be something fun to watch

[@Dondolini94]

And its variants, of course 😉

[@onebigfatguy]

@@draconianwarking Don't you shittalk the Leman Russ ya damn heretic! COMMISSAR! OVER HERE!

[@francesco3772]

Yeah, the Baneblade is fine. The Predator is kinda ok too. The LR can go fuck itself.

[@target_667]

@@francesco3772 leman russ are fantastic

[@francesco3772]

@@target_667 no

[@amillionrobots]

The Reach Scorpion’s hatch moves forwards and backwards to allow the entry and exit of the operator. Just sayin’.

[@Lofi.z34]

The Reach scorpion was an older design, hence why you see shells eject out of the turret's rear

[@MorePartyHats]

@@Lofi.z34 which is pretty strange that the design changed so much in.... what? a week between reach and Halo 1?

[@bigoistin9125]

@@MorePartyHats different military branches. In reach it's the army, in ce it's the navy/marines.

[@DickPenisecki]

When I first saw the Scorpion, I only had a passing interest in tanks and I immediately knew something was off. Glad you took the time to go into that gritty detail.

[@yellowcrayonkid]

3:45 I guess all my teammates punching out my hatch were actually doing me a favour

[@StormyImagination]

"When I joined the Corps, we didn't have any fancy-schmanzy tanks. We had sticks! Two sticks, and a rock for the whole platoon-and we had to share the rock! Buck up, boy, you are one very lucky marine!" Sgt Johnson gave us the reason they still need updates for the tank considering they moved from sticks and rocks 😂😂😂 miss this character

[@moralitiesaspook168]

I’ve always wanted to see an in-depth dive of the l scorpion

[@tristanbackup2536]

Installation 00 on KZbin would be happy to do that, he goes to extreme detail of the technology behind everything halo..😉

[@voodoodolll]

Absolutely loved that you showed your own design. As I was thinking how I'd like to see a functional redesign, it popped up on screen. Respect

[@typhoon1575]

In Defense of the scorpion. Lets start with the tracks and suspension The extremely low ground pressure doesn't make sense for a modern army, however it does for what the UNSC do. going to countless planets across the galaxy, these things need to go in every type of thinkable terrain. more importantly, with variable gravity on these planets. so having one tank that goes to the extreme on it's low ground pressure covers all those basses and ensures the tank can travel freely on any planet the UNSC go to. On that note the suspension. Yes, bogey system's are outdated. however they still have an advantage. Logistic's and maintenance. the UNSC is an interplanetary military. having tank's that are easy to maintenance is basically a requirement. The extremely low ground pressure, and the fact that the 4 free swinging track segments each also have suspension like movement means that the bogey system actually doesn't have to work all that hard to do it's job. meaning more modern suspension options are actually not necessarily needed over a more easy to repair and maintain system. though I will agree the track attachment points to the body is indeed a weakness, even if you use future technology it's a mess waiting to happen on such a small connection point. and the lack of visible driving wheels is also an issue, though we can pin that mostly on forgetting to put it in, or not bothering because it's a game. As for personal knocks to it The 4 track links are indeed a weakness but I also see a strength to them, in that the fact they both swing, and have suspension of their own, helps the bogey suspension on the actual tracks do their job's better making the outdated tech more viable. I however would be in favor, like you said, of only having 2 tracks, and instead of htese tracks sit on suspension of their own, capable of pitching by perhaps 10 degrees to the body, to allow the scorpion to maintain this advantage factor. The gun I agree is awful. 90mm auto loading gun that can only fire once every 2-3 seconds..? when the the pelican has a 70mm auto cannon, and the longsword has 110mm, and 120mm rotery cannons? this thing should either be massive or have pretty much automatic fire rate. I understand it has to be slow firing for game play, so on that note why not like a 150-200mm. But it is what it is The body is also a bit of a mess, unnecessary hull MG that should be controlled by the driver, who's hatch should be centralized and not have any open view ports unless they decide to partially raise it, frontal engine, as like... what is all htat space on the front for at that rate. and yes, perhaps a larger back section to house the larger gun and supplementary ammo

[@Robb1977]

Ill try and answer some points you made: "The extremely low ground pressure doesn't make sense for a modern army, however it does for what the UNSC do. going to countless planets across the galaxy, these things need to go in every type of thinkable terrain. more importantly, with variable gravity on these planets. so having one tank that goes to the extreme on it's low ground pressure covers all those basses and ensures the tank can travel freely on any planet the UNSC go to." -Modern MBTs are literally designed for multiple types of terrain. The problem with the Scorpion isn't that it has low ground pressure, it that it has unnecessarily high ground pressure. Its quad tracks make it bad for various types of terrain, especially soft ground, or hills. One would imagine those would be fairly common as desolate planets likely are full of rocks (like mars) and more verdant worlds would have swamps or jungles with softer soil. The Scorpion might work in urban environments with lots of roads and gentle slopes.... but a tank with standard tracks would work just as well if not better. this goes to your next point: "the fact that the 4 free swinging track segments each also have suspension like movement means that the bogey system actually doesn't have to work all that hard to do it's job. meaning more modern suspension options are actually not necessarily needed over a more easy to repair and maintain system. though I will agree the track attachment points to the body is indeed a weakness, even if you use future technology it's a mess waiting to happen on such a small connection point." -The freely swinging track beds is actually an awful idea and mean that the scorpion basically has no trench crossing capabilities, as a ditch would cause the front treads to swing down, and get stuck, and now you have to overwork the rear two to try and get out. if you had standard tracks you'd do what tanks were made for, and gracefully cross the trench. The turret in the rear would actually be perfect for this, as more weight in the back means the tipping point is further back, a single set of tracks would find it far easier to overcome the length of the trench (which would have to be greater than half the length of the tank). this advantage is negated however because the free moving quad track system would ensure the front treads swing down, throwing off the balance and becoming stuck. "The 4 track links are indeed a weakness but I also see a strength to them, in that the fact they both swing, and have suspension of their own, helps the bogey suspension on the actual tracks do their job's better making the outdated tech more viable. I however would be in favor, like you said, of only having 2 tracks, and instead of htese tracks sit on suspension of their own, capable of pitching by perhaps 10 degrees to the body, to allow the scorpion to maintain this advantage factor." -the strength is not really there for the reasons said above. if its easier to upkeep bogies for whatever reason then maybe it would be viable... but I have my doubts. If you're talking about pitching the tracks/body, in a way similar to the Swedish S-tank then sure, that could be viable... but it's pointless because the elevated turret gives it great gun depression (so much so you can almost directly hit yourself). Adding verticle traverse capabilities to the track would also negate the advantage of "simple logistics". if it's hard to maintain and offers virtually no benefit then why bother? "The gun I agree is awful. 90mm auto loading gun that can only fire once every 2-3 seconds..? when the the pelican has a 70mm auto cannon, and the longsword has 110mm, and 120mm rotery cannons? this thing should either be massive or have pretty much automatic fire rate. I understand it has to be slow firing for game play, so on that note why not like a 150-200mm. But it is what it is" -yeah pretty much... "The body is also a bit of a mess, unnecessary hull MG that should be controlled by the driver, who's hatch should be centralized and not have any open view ports unless they decide to partially raise it, frontal engine, as like... what is all htat space on the front for at that rate. and yes, perhaps a larger back section to house the larger gun and supplementary ammo" -the driver has way too much to do already, no need to give him control of ANOTHER gun. A coax gun and the main gun are already a bit too much for one man to keep track of, let alone turret traverse, and driving the fucking tank. If the turret was manned then perhaps the driver could have a front facing mg with limited traverse... some early ww2 m3 Stuarts had driver-operated guns... they weren't very effective but I guess maybe if it was like its own mini turret the driver could pick off infantry if the tank isn't driving. as you and spookston said though, the engine should probably be at the front, especially because the turret in the back could use the ammo stowage. Now for some of my own thoughts on the design. It's a near-perfect sci-fi design for its world. This is a game about a cyborg super soldier who fights colorful aliens in a Niven-Esque setting where all the humans are stereotype 80s action movie characters straight out of aliens and predator. The humans are in rugged, chunky-looking vehicles that are again, 80s action movie gold. Their armor is this sort of dull browns and grey that implies a type of futuristic depression, as humanity is desperately trying to beat the aliens which use some magic plasma technology. Nothing in that is inherently realistic, and it's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be fun and iconic, not change the way we think about science. People walk around on a ship with no logical means of artificial gravity... its just space magic. FTL travel is possible, it's all sci-fi tropes. That's ok, it's a sci-fi shooter, and the tanks are allowed to be impractical... the scorpion literally looks like its namesake, you're supposed to find it fun and intuitive. People forget halo is a very artistic game and takes creative liscene when building its world. You see and hear the magnum and you know its power. You see and hear the sniper and know it's going to knock an elite on its ass. you see the scorpion and you go "this is a tank, it'll blow-up shit" and so it does. the weirdness in the designs are there to make them memorable. People see the Denel NTW-20 and go "oh my god it's the halo sniper!" because it's unique and that's the point.

[@shan9usfc]

Video: Scorpion tank is impractical. Me: *laughs in Imperium of Man*

[@metaouroboros690]

METAL BAWKSES!

[@gabrielhancock4695]

Monikan Cultist well...it's the imperium..

[@ulfenburg7539]

@@gabrielhancock4695 no it is heresy

[@orichalxis7932]

Leman Russ Tank: Oh really?

[@Sanya6496]

Yeah, nothing in the Imperium is ever pragmatic

[@Saarmafia.]

A analysis of fictional vehicles would definetly be very interesting series

[@Aden_III]

Mathias Hinsberger *An analysis. When connecting two words that both start with vowels, the word ‘an’ is used in place of “A.” For future references

[@Rimasta1]

Where has your channel been all my life? Great content, very well done.

[@applefav101]

Great video, this was the first video I've seen of yours so keep em coming

[@alhesiad]

Something like the AMX 13 would have made more sense for the context of Halo.

[@The_Crimson_Fucker]

*vomits in conventional tank design*

[@vaporhtrail4350]

The scorpion is the T-34 of the UNSC. Change my mind

[@NaruSanavai]

Nah. The T-34 was at least fast.

[@Peusterokos1]

@@NaruSanavai but aren't scorpions fast as well? Seems to me a 66 ton tank travelling 54km/h is an amazing speed demon for what it is.

[@NaruSanavai]

@@Peusterokos1 1.5 mph faster than the 34. Huh. It certainly never feels that fast in any of the games, though. Thing feels like it lumbers at 15mph...but, I guess I take it back, at least on the speed.

[@TheAttacker732]

@@NaruSanavai It's almost certainly slowed down for balance reasons. Also, 343 is implying that the game engine is 110% spaghetti code. That might be as fast as they could get the tank to move without game-breaking bugs.

[@Psytinker]

It's actually a Merkava, but less dogshit.

[@SilverLightDarkSoulsLover1998]

You earned a subscriber and a like. Please continue sharing your knowledge, I love learning. And I love Halo. Bringing the universe to a realistic perspective has me very intrigued. :D

[@Synthetic_Strigiforme]

Well researched and entertaining. I love this kind of thing. You've got yourself another sub.

[@FreedomVengeance]

I'm trying to figure out how you get a Halo Reach Tank into a Halo 3 Map

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[@Paddy656]

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[@kyle857]

I would imagine the force behind the gun is a lot more than a 90mm from the 1950s.

[@SirinDunkelheit]

@Zeh Crazy Gamer Longswords are accompany security for big military ships and can be used for bombardment.

[@slimerewoods5766]

Zeh Crazy Gamer because long swords are interceptors and must be capable of dishing out heavy firepower

[@deathbywi1179]

Zeh Crazy Gamer I mean it’s not like longswords are much much larger than scorpions (any scorpion model seen or mentioned in canon), its definitely not the case that longswords like most navel craft were designed to take out starships and other light aircraft alike.... oh yeah wait no that’s exactly it. Scorpions are main battle tanks which for reference don’t follow (light, medium, heavy dsuper heavy classifications) they are universal armoured vehicles capable of providing artillery support taking out infantry and vehicles alike, the first ‘main battle tanks’ were (if I’m not mistaken) the British centurions which were heavy, very big but with just an 82mm gun (early versions). The scorpion good in its various roles of main battle tank, but admittedly they wouldn’t be good at taking out starships, like a longsword.

[@SilentPorpus83]

Im so glad i clicked on this just the passion and professional demeanour that you bring to table really made me into what you were saying. Thank you very much

[@superjesse645]

In terms of the hatch, I think Halo: Reach made it way better by having it slide forward and back instead of hinged.

[@ironraccoon3536]

As a gun nerd, I can say that the small arms in Halo aren't much better.

[@xCrimsonxTidex]

Agreed. There is no proper backup sighting system without the use of a Marine targeting eyepiece, Army targeting eyepro, and Spartan/ODST visors. The old battle rifle optic was mounted with scope rings which now being into firearms, I find that laughable. At least 343 added top optic rails on the BR and DMR, plus an optic rail under the AR top cover.

[@Angryp0nY]

@@xCrimsonxTidex the eye piece isn't for targeting it's a heads up display. Every single service member has a neural interface chip that displays the direction the barrel is pointing. The reticle isn't just a gameplay mechanic in the lore every marine, soldier, and sailor sees that targeting reticle.

[@courier6448]

The fact that it’s 500 years in the future and we’re still using modern ammunition/firearms baffles me.

[@ironraccoon3536]

@@courier6448 Eh, it's a stylistic choice. There's (generally) a contrast between Human weapons which go bang bang and chuck lead at people and Covenant weapons which go pew pew and shoot plasma. Now 7.62x51mm NATO being used 500 years in the future? That's a reach.

[@comradecommissar1945]

@@ironraccoon3536 A HALO REACH GOTTEM

[@knifedance2402]

1. Since this is 500 years in the future and all, wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume that in all of that time, some advancements have been made in explosives? If so, it’s perfectly reasonable that a 90mm gun might be used. A smaller shell is easier to accelerate, and more ammunition can be stored in the tank. 2. The ammunition. Again, if any advancements in explosives have been made in so long, it’s reasonable to assume that less explosive mass would be required inside the projectile in order to do the same amount of damage as any similar shell. This means there would be more room for, say, a tungsten penetrator. So honestly, the gun and ammunition, considering the UNSC’s doctrine, are perfectly fine. 3. Armor. Titanium ceramic armor is not used on any MBT anywhere in the modern day. Titanium is too difficult to work with, and too heavy to mass produce a composite with currently. However, it would produce a superior armor to anything current if used in a composite, especially if any advances in ceramics had been made. It’s also important to note that in most composite armors, there is an ablative, plastic layer. So the armor is likely quite effective as well. 4. The tracks. The advantages of having four independent tracks are the same as independent suspension on a car; Handling. Being able to independently move all four sets of tracks would give the Scorpion quite a bit of extra agility when compared to similar vehicles with two tracks. There is also the fact that if one set of tracks is damaged, it doesn’t completely immobilize the tank, as it would with a two-tracked vehicle. The tank is also still capable of crossing trenches, (though it isn’t likely to encounter any anyways, due to covenant doctrine). The tracks rotating inwards while crossing a trench would actually result in quite a bit of grip on the sides of the trench, along with a much higher capacity for climbing. 5. The reason the engine is in the back is likely because of two things: First, the thickness of the frontal armor. The frontal armor of a futuristic vehicle such as this, even considering its updated composition, is likely ridiculous. It will take up plenty of space. Second, the suspension and transmission. The torsion bars and transmission for each track system would likely take up a lot of space inside the tank if they were adequate to support the tank, while, say, crossing trenches. So the arrangement does make sense. 6. Ammunition stowage. We technically don’t know where the ammunition is stored in the scorpion. Though it likely is in the back of the turret. If that’s the case, it’s almost certain that if the ammunition package was hit, it would be ejected through blowout panels in the back of the turret. Preventing injury to the crew, and damage to the rear-mounted engine. So in short, while there definitely are things wrong with the Scorpion, these things aren’t them.

[@TavishVT]

solid points. I'd also like to point out tungsten is common in many coilgun/railgun concepts as a shell material, so the voiceline may have been a throwaway or the smoothbore is a hybrid chem/mag system.

[@1TakoyakiStore]

About the titanium. Russia has always had better luck with titanium than anyone else as they put in resources and time into making giant vacuum chambers for making titanium-hulled Submarines (not pure titanium but a large percentage of titanium). Titanium is actually quite a common element on earth. It's just that it has a bad habit of combining with oxygen in the air at high temperatures as titanium dioxide (a brittle ceramic), hence the vacuum chambers. Now I don't know the complex composite possibilities with titanium but I do know that titanium on its own is about as light as aluminum.

[@zameliz]

Points 1 and 2 are rather silly tbh. If the tech has been improved so that 90mm shells becomes a valid option then 120mm shells would also be exponentially better and it is highly likely that the cost wouldnt be that much higher either. Point 3: While not outright false you are still bit misleading. Titanium alloy is used in tank armor, one such example is Chobham armour. Point 4: Surely there are some advantages for having the tracks in 4 separate pods but the cons outeighs the pros in this case. The maintenance would be long, difficult, very frequent and an absolute nightmare. And no the advantages would not be the same as a car. The tracks have their own suspension in the pods themselves and on top of that the pods are free hanging and that latter part is what makes all sorts of problems that would negatively impact on offroad cabapilities. So in short th scorpions issues most definitely are what has been said in the video.

[@src175]

If technology makes 90mm guns better, then it stands to reason that a 120mm would, if applied with the same technology, be fucking baller as hell. It's just dumb to use the reasoning "they have better propellant", because technology like that can be reasonably scaled up. And considering the kinds of enemies the UNSC has to kill, it would be much better for them to go with a 120mm, seeing how that would kill enemy tanks better. Think about it, dude.

[@ls200076]

If the 90mm gets better, doesn't that mean that the 120mm also gets better? The longer the barrel, the better the range will be? Idk why people want to go back to a 90mm barrelled tank and call that a *Main Battle tank*. Imagine a Merkava tank in Halo. *Orgasm*

[@zeknight4352]

Another thing is that the main canon in the tank is literally right behind the machine gunner. Wouldn’t the shots fired by the tank burst the eardrums of the gunner. Strange position to place the gunner with

[@tcoffma187]

“ ...Supported by a VVSS suspension system... “ * *Screams in terror* *

[@Paddy656]

The scorpion's hatch was changed in Reach. It has a sliding hatch instead of a hinged one, which would be way easier to open. The one you showed was the eldewrito one, which uses Reach's models but 3's animations, hence the hinged hatch. Also, the scorpion has neural implant compatibility. I don't really know how commonplace those implants are, but it would make things much easier if you had one.

[@tristanbackup2536]

Every UNSC personell has to have an implant when they join. That alone in-lore would beat any optic-targeting systems we have today.

[@Paddy656]

@@tristanbackup2536 Yeah, that makes the one-person crew make more sense.

[@trinalgalaxy5943]

also the original hatch (OG CE and 2) was much thinner, then 343 reskined them with the reach skin, failing to adapt the significant changes that skin included

[@MALICEM12]

I always liked the Scorpion's oscillating autoloading turret, like the prototypes from the 50's or the AMX.

[@oktayyildirim2911]

The sliding-barrel action of the cannon is called recoil operation, and it's actually the most common action for modern handguns.

[@northropi2027]

@@oktayyildirim2911 actually a lot of tank guns recoil into the turret. This doesn't facilitate reloading but it's understandably preferable to just trying to absorb all that impulse as-is. Granted I'm not sure if the Scorpion itself uses that for recoil as a dramatically upscaled version of recoil operation, though for the record "short recoil," where the barrel only moves with the bolt for a short length of travel, is common in handguns, while "long recoil," where the two move as a unit for a longer time, I don't think is used in handguns but does appear in some rifles like the M82.

[@oktayyildirim2911]

@@northropi2027 The M82 doesn't use long recoil action, it uses short recoil.

[@northropi2027]

@@oktayyildirim2911 oh, huh. That was my go-to example of long recoil too. Huh.

[@LeviAEthan512]

"It's iconic so 343 probably won't change that" hahahahahhahahahha :'(

[@barbearian1570]

This was surprisingly well produced, good job

[@TheAKgunner]

The M810 has a 150mm smoothbore gun, and both Scorpions have a crew of two, or one with a neural interface (like a Spartan). On an unrelated note, the Grizzly main battle tank has a crew of three, and two 120mm smoothbore guns. The hatch most likely has explosive bolts for emergency purposes.

[@Lateraldamage]

honestly it's probably the same as every other armoured vehicle in real life which have hydraulics and springs that keep the hatch open until you close it which can be opened manually

[@sotnos3196]

I'd love if you did more video's like this based on Halo's vehicles, weapons, etc. This is really cool.

[@Aidax12345]

This is a great video, it touches my love of engineering and problem solving and my love of halo and gear

[@RageUnchained]

That was awesome, definitely make this a series, just found you. Subbed

[@irpwellyn]

I've always been partial to the idea that the scorpion is simply designed to what the pelican's hauling capabilities allow it certainly makes sense from both a gameplay perspective, as devs probably want to be conservative with scaling, and from a lore one, UNSC doctrine appearing to be incredibly reliant on expeditionary tactics when conducting warfare, so being able to quickly mass deploy armour via space Mi-24s seems like the principle design philosophy with their 'main' battle tank, and the Grizzly/Rhino/whatever can handle the rest I also wouldn't be too surprised from a lore perspective that tanks just aren't all that important 500 years from now, and as such no longer need to dominate the field, especially considering that the UNSC had to go from being from one side on the asymmetric warfare coin, against the insurrection, to the other

[@adamredmayne1326]

It is literally intended to be a airborne deployable light tank as cheap, plentiful, reliable and all terrain as possible.

[@Robb1977]

@@adamredmayne1326 and it appears to be none of those things, nor does that seem to be the lore intention. Its described as an MBT, and while capable of being air-dropped, its 1 coax gun with an exposed second gunner makes it pretty bad at dealing with infantry. The raised turret is a horrible idea for open combat but would be perfect for hull-down/defensive fights. quad tracks give it bad ground pressure which would probably be fine on worlds with less gravity than the earth, but make it even worse on planets with higher gravity. a tank like the one you're describing would be like... the gauss/rocket hog. Cheap, extremely mobile, fast, easy to air drop... do the old forge "rice bowl" trick and you have a decent light tank.

[@squidturkey7244]

To source for informtion about gun depression and elivation i would suggest you read the halo book "the flood". I also think this is the original cannon material before the games tampered with it

[@mr.hammack7174]

Bro this is really cool. Subbed because of this video, please make more

[@lindholmaren]

4:40 yeah I remember something like that too, I think it was the reason given for the green colour of the mjolnir armour... I'd guess that the scorpion (like most unsc armaments) were developed pre-covenant discovery and was thus made for anti-human combat, whereas the Spartan program was always top of the line, experimental, super soldier, what crazy new discovery did we make last week and how do we fit it into a suit, stuff.

[@TheLPRnetwork]

Me: I would love more reaslitc stuff in halo 343: we agree Also me: Ehh everything is starting to look generic. Also 343: maybe this wasn't such a great idea.

[@pulsespear9914]

I would definitely not say that the 343 art design looks more realistic whatsoever.

[@GrexTheCrabasitor]

@@pulsespear9914 warthog at least sounds correct in halo 4 as a hydrogen fuel beast.

[@pulsespear9914]

@@GrexTheCrabasitor I was speaking for the visuals. But fair enough

[@TheLPRnetwork]

@@pulsespear9914 you clearly were around during the rocket launcher controversy.

[@StoffiePrductions]

The problem which u arent aware is, that always the fking HUMANS are the "heros" and its just logical to continue using basic designs. before contact with the covenant they still ifghting Humasn vs humans and ther are old designs practical. Why u want to develop a fking new harcore different tank which is hard to maintenance or more? U all think, because its sci-fi they need to do "new" things but overall they are Humans in the most Sci-Fi shit.

[@hievenhade7545]

only losers criticize the quality of a game epic gamers criticize the functionality of a fictional tank

[@captainjackpugh6050]

Reread your comment

[@juanpaVlz]

Not really, we can't just accept a game if it's bad.

[@phorty2]

No, were just observant. That's all😀

[@majb4737]

It was a joke dudes😔

[@DerNomade1871]

Legendary gamers just shut the hell up and enjoy the game

[@martinperez1064]

"Tank beats everything!"

[@TidiestTitan378]

was looking for this lol

[@justapekinduck3558]

I think the fact that people ride on the side of it is the biggest flaw lol. I always feel bad when they die

[@pixelsonascreen]

The crossover I never knew I needed! Always struck me as waaaaaaay too much work to do for one person, and as a tank crewman I can't imagine maintaining a tank as one man without a crew of at least 3 or 4.

[@mikemike6908]

Again it is the future tho, you don’t really know what kind of technology is assisting the crewman in there.

[@Markos_Malitsos]

That fixed design you drew for the Scorpion looks awesome, actually. I would totally love to see it in action.

[@neonvalkyrja]

One of my biggest issues with the Scorpion is the rear turret design. I know this is what makes it have the resemblance of an actual scorpion, but it has to expose almost all of its main body to have a good line of sight. In all halo games, I usually drove the Scorpion backwards just so I could stick the barrel around a corner without exposing the tank too much

[@jamie2798]

That was actually a really interesting take on the otherwise really familiar halo series. Good work and keep it up!

[@Orca19904]

Since we're reviewing armored fighting vehicles from fictional works, how about the Landmaster from the Star Fox games, the multiped tanks from Ghost in the Shell, or the tanks used in New Dominion Tank Police?

[@toniadavis7433]

M4A3E8 Sherman tank is better, I'm 100% sure I'd rather ride in a Sherman during futuristic combat than that. ( also the Halo team could have atleast made it fire ammo similar to sturmtiger ammo, that could help.

[@yagami1134]

lol you are a idiot xD

[@ls200076]

@@yagami1134 Boi, a 1 man Light tank is ineffective. Can't even concentrate on one single thing. 2/3 man tank would be fine. Commander, Gunner and driver. Gunner is down? Commander can take it's place. Just like real life. Or even better unmanned tanks, without that fantasy hacking.

[@Blockus615]

Your kind of stupid go back to playing halo you clearly know nothing about tanks

[@arcturus4317]

The Shermans were already inferior to the Nazi Tiger tanks in WW2, how well do you think they'd be against futuristic plasma weapons? Shermans could be destroyed by a single shot from a Tiger, mind you. At least the Scorpion has armor designed to take hits from Covenant weapons.

[@limnovae7692]

@@arcturus4317 Tigers could be destroyed by a single shot from a 76mm just as well. And I'd rather be an American in a Sherman than a German in a Tiger, with the support of the dominant air power, and the M4's versatility and ergonomics, not to mention reliability, and the logistics and maintenance support of the US army

[@aquaisuseful682]

I lobe that you use the ODST theme. Brings memories back

[@Phfenom]

this video is awesome please make it a series for all the vehicles!

[@fulcrum2951]

The lack of a dedicated commander is gonna be an issue even with neural interface.

[@alphawolfgang173]

i bet they have ai doing that

[@venmurkmaem7619]

Frankly I'd like to see you review the Mammoth tank from C&C if you're going to review fictional tanks. This was very interesting to see someone knowledgable in tanks contemplate if a fictional vehicle under the same context is considered functional.

[@eternalkhajiit6388]

I loved this, well done.

[@DeviousWizard]

Love the vid, glad this was recommended

[@latrodectusmactans7592]

I'm glad you acknowledge that while the Scorpion doesn't look too efficient... It also has such an iconic look that any change to make it more realistic would also make it less interesting.

[@Thomas_times_two]

Sometimes when I watch a KZbinr who almost never talks in the videos I watch of them that I forget that they have a voice and when you finally do hear it you realize again that a human makes these videos.

[@dennishaglund448]

Absolutley loved this video, so informative!

[@chandanpiku]

Great video, loved it.

[@SuperJUANCHO7]

You should watch the halo 5 tank, its actualy similars to yours, scorpion m820, and also check the different tanks like the rhino and the grizzly

[@bluefoxy6478]

4:02 * cough cough * spring kits * cough cough * 1943 * cough cough * historical * cough cough. *

[@countvilanova2588]

This was a truly fascinating video

[@tangomike2358]

Hey man great video I would love to see more scifi tanks. Your redesign of the scorpion looked great would have loved to see that beast in game. Halo MCC PC for the win !

[@nyx7255]

Actual M3A1 Stuart when? (M3 series, go!)

[@trinalgalaxy5943]

M5 stuarts were better.... automatic transmission, duel V8s (as opposed to aircraft engines....)

[@nyx7255]

Ahhh but is it named with a "3"? No, it's not part of the chad M3 family M3s only

[@commander2552]

"I love Halo and tank history". Are we besties?

[@skylerburke8716]

sorry I'm late to the party but you got yourself a subscriber for this. Huge tank nut would love to see more like thos

[@eur0be4t3r]

1:01 In the first and second game it’s only on crew member but in 3 and onward it’s 2 crew members (driver and machine gunner)

[@The_Crimson_Fucker]

The reason the Scorpion uses APHE is the same reason every armored vehicle in games uses APHE. Because the makers only know about AP and HE and think that putting them together would be the absolute best because they're normies and normies can't tell you what HEAT stands for rather less what it is.

[@cyberdiver7076]

Haha damn normies doesn't even know what HEAT stands for. Obviously it means really hot rounds.

[@neatnoot214]

@@cyberdiver7076 HEAT rounds are just spicy ammunition.

[@okigojuryu]

@@neatnoot214 spicy gold plated ammunition.

[@The_Crimson_Fucker]

@@cyberdiver7076 That's actually pretty much spot on. @CCT2 Gaming That changes nothing about my statement, it only extends it to some of the fans.

[@truexenith8596]

@The Crimson Fucker I don’t expect Bungie staff to know every little thing about tanks. That’d be pretty fucking weird lmao.

[@BattlesuitExcalibur]

Wait, why would you store ammunition for a presumably automatically-loading tank gun in the main chassis? The turret is constantly in motion, on a horizontal motion-compensating pintle mechanism. It seems to make more canonical sense for the ammunition store to be in the enlarged turret head, with the autoloader mechanism. It would reduce complexity, allowing for greater ease of mass production and automated maintenance. It would also be safer for the operator, since any kind of ammunition cookoff would happen a good distance away from the crew compartment, engine, and fuel tank. Besides, I think the Reach Scorpion ejects spent shells from the turret, if I am not mistaken.

[@danielt.9154]

Thanks, you have answered a question that kept thinking about.

[@andrewwebster5297]

One minor point I'm sure someone has already brought up but I figured I might as well add in just for completeness is that the Scorpion can be operated by two crew or one person with a sufficient neural interface. If you don't have a person with a sufficient neural interface one crew member acts as a driver while the other is the gunner. I would assume the Gunner doubles up as commander in this scenario and that the Scorpion has enough computer assistance on board to make this possible.

[@zechariahhenderson9859]

Next tank? The fallout 4 and fallout 76 tanks shown there?

[@itzlandwhale6646]

Doesn't that thing actually have a crew of three? Underneath the mg turret (aka Tc hatch) there's a crew compartment. Unless I'm wrong but I remember somewhere it shows the compartment. If I remember correctly it had a traditional set up of a gunner Tc and driver. Also I'm surprised that you didn't mention anything about the new scorpion in halo 4 and 5. Annnnnd in some halos the drivers hatch slides forward's

[@itzlandwhale6646]

I doubt anyone will see this because I'm a little late on commenting

[@taterc229]

@@itzlandwhale6646 i saw it :) i remember in 3 they added a smol turret on the body with an MG, making the crew a whopping 2. In reach i think you could see an auto-loading mechanism in the main turret. Either way, it's obvious they just wanted it to look like an actual scorpion more than anything else.

[@itzlandwhale6646]

@@taterc229 well yeah, in the game you could only have 2 people in it, but somewhere in a lore book or video it talks about a compartment for a third crew member underneath the mg turret. This crew member would be the actual gunner. Unless you wanna run it solo mode like a spartan...or a marine who like multi tasking RIP sarge

[@drizzt7dourden7]

i think the problem here is the difference between "crew needed" and "optimal crew" technicly speaking you could operate a modern tank with only a driver and a gunner (asuming its autoloading or the gunner does his own loading) but usually you want tank comanders and/or radio operators as well (+ potentialy some auxilery gunners for defencive turrets and/or a dedicated mechanic or stuff like that)

[@SpaceNerd117]

@Brett Birchler Yeah, the tank interacts with the driver's neural interface for ease of use. Of course, the neural lace is basically the series' catch-all answer for 'why does this vehicle have less crew members than it would need in real life?'

[@subfreqkronos5731]

i think you will find that every modern day tank, has its engine at the back, and for good reason, its easier for maintenance aspects and the heaviest armour of a tank is at the front, and also in modern day tanks, their ammunition storage systems are located all with their turrets, not within the main body of the tank, since that is a very outdated design.

[@FoxySpartan117]

Cool man. I like it, keep it up.

[@skyrimn00b98]

Bruh, You didn't bother trying to pull on existing lore to try and rationalize the tanks design. I'd also like to point out that the role of tanks in warfare in 2552 is considerably different than the role of tanks in warfare today.

[@NaruSanavai]

He was talking about the M808B Scorpion, _not_ the M820 Scorpion, but...even that tanks shares most of the same functional flaws. And even if the tactics are different, it's still just a bad design for an MBT.

[@gnobnogginsmasha1053]

what role does could a tank fill that somehow justifies that terrible design?

[@NaruSanavai]

@@gnobnogginsmasha1053 The 808B or the 820?

[@brabblemaster401]

@@gnobnogginsmasha1053 being mostly an infantry support vehicle not a tank for tank warfare. We dont hear of that being common until the human covenant war. But then again a tracked ifv family would be better.

[@kileytingey6828]

Never thought of it that way it's actually true the caliber of the gun wouldn't technically peirce a wraiths armor or it could seeing as it is the future

[@sgt.ribeye3742]

Caliber doesn’t have much to do with penetration

[@bluntcabbage6042]

@@sgt.ribeye3742 It actually does, as it indicates how much power can be put behind a round in one shell. If this weren't the case, then there would have been little incentive to move to a 120mm L/44 gun after using the 105mm L7 in the 1980s and 1990s, but lo and behold, being a 120mm gun helps the L/44 crank out more power for each round than a 105mm.

[@sgt.ribeye3742]

Blunt .Cabbage most certainly, yes. But you can also just make the round longer, which can be viable with an auto loader. That, and who knows what kind of space magic shit they’re pumping into their propellant to increase shell velocity.

[@Gl0ckb1te]

@@sgt.ribeye3742 i was thinking the same

[@bluntcabbage6042]

@@sgt.ribeye3742 A larger diameter shell allows for more propellant in the same length, making more effective use of space. At a certain point, a shell's length gets too impractical for increases in penetration, where a larger caliber is the next best option.

[@ravenknight4876]

4:20 No. If the Engine was in the front, the heat profile of the tank would make it hillariously easy to detect for infrared and other heat sensors. If anything, the fact that they have the Engine in the back is the best part about this tank, since it means that it at least has a minnimum amount of stealth against some sensory systems.

[@lumpy1space2princess]

I think the 90 mm shell is due to the tank being made primarily to fight Insurectionist forces. Guerilla fighters that lack heavily armored vehicles

[@blind1337nedm]

"halo and tank history" okay. subbed.