Everything Wrong With Revelation 6 in the Bible

[@joecserna]

I feel like the moral of the story is: don’t mix your drugs.

[@Serai3]

More like, be sure to check your bread for mold.

[@danstevens6455]

Maybe stick to the locusts and wild honey and stay away from the magic mushrooms if you're short on food in the wild.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

joecserna Try guessing again

[@justsayin47]

I know that I don't have enough money to do drugs so I'd like to request rabid looney god for a free sample of whatever drugs they take while laying aside our animosity for a brief while. I'm very fascinated by the use of such substances. This is wild!

[@joecserna]

i can guess all day. do you have a point? i didn't@@Daniel-cz7kd

[@DrBear-rk4qb]

I can see why when I was a Christian my pastors stayed away from Revelation. Deeply weird book.

[@greganderson2239]

Yet it’s supposed to be the concluding evidence for the Bible..

[@dragowolfraven3806]

This book was clearly written while the writer was high as hell.

[@9891904317589]

"Do not damage the wine, as it should be passed unto me, plizzzzzz."

[@saratell]

Love this bite sized way of educating myself on what the bible actually says. Thank you Hemant for all that you do ❤

[@Serai3]

You're only learning one contextless opinion on what it says. Fun, but hardly an education.

[@rennnnn914]

You think there is more context that makes the bible look better? lol@@Serai3

[@Serai3]

@@rennnnn914 Thanks for letting me know you're engaging at the same superficial level.

[@rennnnn914]

Thanks for not explaining your position@@Serai3

[@o.b.7217]

You know the book is around for quite some time, and copies of it are available in every bookstore? You don't have to wait for this channel to "educatd" you on this matter. You can do it all in your own. That is - if you really want.

[@grapeshot]

The Book of Acid Trips.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

I wonder what the Bronze Age equivalent to Acid actually is????

[@satinbarbi]

@@littlebitofhope1489 Funny mushrooms?

[@bees5461]

@@satinbarbi Poppies grow well in that region.

[@JZsBFF]

@@littlebitofhope1489 Ale?

[@satinbarbi]

@@bees5461 True but nothing made from poppies ever made me hallucinate like a prophet of old. Mushrooms, mescaline and Salivia are what it takes to have other worldly visions of strange beasts covered in eyes.

[@peppermintmoon7354]

"My children are half translucent." Hahahahaha!

[@daneguitarist1]

"i would be known as a .... non-tribulationalist...... which is correct" fucking god damn it i love you come drink whiskeys in kansas haha

[@gregjones2217]

Lets see, death, destruction, plague, famine, torture, fear, pain and no happiness. How biblical.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

gregjones2217 Actually, happiness, yep

[@gregjones2217]

@@Daniel-cz7kd i thought happiness was considered a sin.😂

[@graemem111]

Awww, c’mon now. Sly Stallone alone can’t be blamed for cliffhanger.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@gregjones2217 Where’d you get that idea?

[@tomboughan2718]

Pestilence, War, Famine, Death have been universal to humanity since Cro Magnon days on.

[@andrewfilson6356]

As far as i know Revelations was written on the Island of Patmos in the middle east. The one thing it is famous for is, that it is abundant in 'psychedelic' mushrooms.Just saying.

[@Poemi10304]

Damn, that makes so much sense and explains so much. Seriously.

[@aurorafrost288]

And no badgers or snaaaaaaakes! to handle them.

[@storyspren]

Damnit Hemant, you said not to google it and I did while letting this play in the background. I had just found the definition when you got to "say in a voice like thunder: come!"

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

You too huh?😏

[@Rachel.832]

😂

[@omarvasquez6851]

Thanks for the Sunday fairytales. I just can’t get the horse and the lamb out of my head now.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

So you like fairytales on Sunday? What about the rest of the week?

[@graemem111]

At least the lamb lay down. 🎶 On Broadwaaaay 🎶

[@graemem111]

Thank you to thinly angel Gabriel. Peter, of that ilk!

[@graemem111]

* the only.

[@davidwatches]

I want a t-shirt that says "Don't Google that" with Hemant's disappointed face emblazoned across the front.

[@leoaguinaldo65]

I'm thinking of a design already. And it will be hilarious!

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

How about one that says “I don’t know” with Hemant’s oblivious face 😏

[@Tyrconnell]

"It's rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him". Is this the Bible accepted the existance of the Roman god of the underworld? Do all the other gods of Olympus exist as well?

[@MimiN-sv9sw]

Great point! What about Zeus? How about Poseidon? Where’s Hermes?😅

[@bradleyswinderman7442]

@@MimiN-sv9sw i prefer the original Greek names, also...detest the Romans who destroyed my Keltic ancestral culture :-/

[@qbasicmichael]

Hades was also the underworld, the realm of the dead. So, greek "hades" was used as the translation of hebrew "sheol". I contend that "hell" is the appropriate english translation for both. (Edit: but bibles tend to use "hell" to incorrectly translate "gehenna" instead.) Regarding pantheons, parts of the old testament are henotheistic / monolatrist, and there are references to a divine council of gods in places like psalm 82. The god of the bible is a conflation of the israelite (possibly borrowed from midianite) storm god yahweh with the canaanite father god el. The canaanite storm god baal was considered yahweh's rival. But yahweh defeated the sea serpent leviathan, just like his fellow storm gods defeated various sea monsters, usually sea serpents. Edit: there are people who say that yahweh was originally a metallurgy god and/or a volcano god. Perhaps. Others call him a war god. But in the bible, he is clearly a storm god. Yes he fights wars, but using storm elements: lightning, hail, floods, wind.

[@OrichalcumHammer]

@@qbasicmichael Yahweh was a lesser god and he was god of a particular canaanite tribe who went on a subjugation spree(also the entire Moses story which is fictional) converting other canaanite tribes including tribes who worshiped yahweh's wife. This canaanite tribe would be the first ancient israelite or ancient jews who were the first to massacre someone for their beliefs. This is adopted by christianity and islam. The problem and greatest crime on earth is Judaism which is based on fiction of Moses was made real by christianity and islam.

[@Nkosi766]

I’m glad you’re back on Sundays. Where else would I have church. Oh yeah Brandon from mindshift filled the gap you left.

[@grapeshot]

Also during the Great Mortality of the 14th century they seemed to take it out on Jews quite a bit and I'm talking about the Christians and their homicidal rage.

[@tomboughan2718]

Yes, the blood libel and accusing Jews of poisoning the wells.

[@itsROMPERS...]

Preach, Brother Hemant, Preach!

[@AllThingsFilm1]

From what I recall, Revelations was rejected at first because it was considered to be the rantings of a madman. After seeing it here. I agree. A madman it was who wrote Revelations. Further sealing my lack of belief.

[@grapeshot]

I remember that movie from 1988 entitled The Seventh Sign.

[@grapeshot]

Remember the movie Tombstone Kurt Russell says. AND HELL IS COMING WITH ME!!!!!!!

[@Deridus]

(Giggles in Huckleberry)

[@cfltheman]

You picked a perfect time to read this book!

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

cfltheman Any 🆓 time is perfect to read the book 📖

[@OldVenture]

Gotta love a cliff hanger.

[@bobwilson3980]

Wonder how many times the kids seating around the camp fire asked to hear this story. Dad, dad tell us about monsters again, no you have trouble sleeping. But dad we love that story about the killing

[@satinbarbi]

Does wrathful lamb taste good with mint jelly?

[@justsayin47]

I can only imagine........

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

About the same as you with mint jelly 🙂

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

My favourite version of the Four Horsemen is in Good Omens.

[@brianwilson14]

Fun fact, the original word for pale (4th horseman) also translates to green. So Death rides a green horse, which doesn't make sense outside of a reference to greed, which I am not sure was a saying back in ancient roman days.

[@myheartismadeofstars]

Another translation I've seen is yellow, which makes a bit more sense as a horse colour, but more importantly: decaying corpses can have a greenish or yellowish hue to them! The Pale Horse of Death is dead itself and decaying!

[@Jin420]

Ohh.. I wonder if I could be the "ninja assassin" 🥷🏼 🤔 Not Japanese but I'm "close enough" (korean) 😂😂 Jkjk -- let me stop it with my stupidity 😁🤣

[@grapeshot]

Yeah they talk about these apocalyptic Horsemen in the Book of Ezekiel.

[@sidmelucci3675]

Can't wait! More eyeballs to come?

[@tomboughan2718]

There was a hippie artist, famous for his posters, drew lots of flying eyeballs and kabalistic symbols in his artwork. His name was Rick Griffin. In his later days he joined Calvary Chapel Church at height of Jesus Movement.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

sidmelucci3675 Have you ever read Revelation?

[@sidmelucci3675]

@@Daniel-cz7kd I started it, back in my late teens or early twenties (so late 1960s or early '70s), and then again about 15 years later. Bogged down after a few chapters both tries. I'm really glad for this opportunity to get through the whole thing. My feeling about the Bible are very mixed: I find it simultaneously absolutely fascinating and incredibly tedious.

[@sidmelucci3675]

@@tomboughan2718 i just Googled some images. Not enough eyeballs. Oh, he did plenty of works that featured them-but just a single eyeball per picture. Interesting blast from the past, though.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@sidmelucci3675 So is there any point or reason to explain the chapters correctly?

[@dempsterhouse]

But God loves us. lol

[@JZsBFF]

Ah, George Carlin. We miss him so.

[@Jin420]

If the sun 🌞 goes "poof" ... then we go "poof" ... 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

And where does it say ‘the sun 🌞 goes “poof”’?

[@EBDavis111]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Well to be fair, Revelation 8:12 says that only a thiird of the sun will go poof.

[@visaman]

It may have been an eclipse.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@EBDavis111 Interesting, and in which translation did you find Revelation 8:12 it says “only a thiird of the sun will go poof.”?

[@EBDavis111]

@@Daniel-cz7kd All of them, stupid.

[@danstevens6455]

If Lucifer parodied the bible, then he would be this guy. Well done sir humorous as per usual.

[@rwandaforever6744]

Oh, I like the pale horsie. It's called Binky and is a really good boy. And I heard the rider is pretty handy with farming tools. And polite. He would even lend you a match, when you are trying to burn down your bar and if you are in a certain academic career, he will meet you in person. His granddaughter is a treat, too. So, yeah, I do not mind the forth Horseman. He is a really good guy. Just doing his job. Just ask Sam and Dean.

[@jkk8043]

Pestilence, War, Famine, Death....but don't forget Kaos. I know he quit before they got famous, but I still think he's important.

[@andreavantzet1962]

My long lost family! I have found you! (She moves)

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

This is so wild and whacky, i love it! 😂

[@Jin420]

❤ Have a great day everyone ❤

[@lisablacker3102]

Of course I HAD TO Google tribbing, and of course it's a sex thing! It's nothing shocking.

[@JZsBFF]

That explains the second coming part, I guess.

[@PA1606X]

I thought they were those furry things in Star Trek??? No.

[@qbasicmichael]

​@PA1606X that would be tribbles.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

You too, huh? I also did ‘non-tribulationist’ guess what I found 😏

[@lisablacker3102]

@@Daniel-cz7kd A picture of Hemant?

[@Soundbrigade]

Did the black horseman was to spare bourbon?! Did the bible (I wanted to write bibble, but people were throwing stones and dirty laundry at me, virtually, when I did last time) say anything about bourbon?

[@ravertaking6343]

How could the people hide in the mountain caves if in the sentence before the mountains went "poof" and disappeared? I had never noticed it before. Love your readings of the books.

[@the_algorithm]

This is what happens when you ingest Moldy Grain psychosis, delusions, hallucinations, mania, delirium... death, convulsions, muscle spasms, sensation of something crawling under your skin ^^^(in case any of you thought this was fun) Moldy Rye is thought to be the reason for hysteria of the Salem Witch Trials

[@justsayin47]

So those ladies were given moldy rye and framed for witch craft and heresy 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@debdebr]

No, that was just stupidity!

[@OrichalcumHammer]

Thanks for this tidbit - "Moldy Rye is thought to be the reason for hysteria of the Salem Witch Trials"

[@oldbiker9739]

what great fear porn .

[@nmappraiser9926]

The sun turned black like sackcloth... I couldn't really see what happened after that.

[@DavidMueller666]

I would place a $2 bet on the white horse to win, $2 on the red horse to place, and $2 on the black horse to show. I don't think that trifecta wagers will be accepted when there are only four horses.

[@quasijoe8126]

Weren't the mountains already gone?

[@qbasicmichael]

Moved, not necessarily eliminated.

[@ariellalima7229]

Hemant is the only person able to make me re-read Revelation voluntarily. And... I did google "tribbing"!

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

You too? I also googled non-tribulationist, guess what I found 😏

[@merbst]

I want a website entirely full of Hemant's "don't Google that" advice!

[@BileDuctBalderdash]

I've seen this movie about the seals Demi Moore starred in it it was really good

[@thomasridley8675]

Its pretty strange that they released all the terrors that had already plagued humanity since day one.

[@joseph-thewatcher]

This chapter makes me think of the song "The Four Horsemen" by Aphrodite's Child from their album 666. Great song!!!!

[@merbst]

10:15 the word is "Omnicide"

[@tchristianphoto]

John of Patmos wrote Revelation as an allegory for the fledgling Jesus movement surviving its early trials and exhorting followers to keep on struggling, because he felt things would eventually turn out for the best. It was never intended as any kind of prophecy about the future of humanity. Interpretations that invent some kind of "rapture" or "tribulation" are garbage.

[@Craxin01]

As for the horses and difference between a white horse and a pale horse, I believe a pale horse would apply to more than just it's fur, having a pink snout and eyes. A white horse could refer to just its fur, but also could be its entire coloration being white, hoofs ears, tail to snout.

[@ericrietvelt1970]

The trouble with tribbles. 😂

[@daneguitarist1]

which one is the "rider of the storm" ... the doors told me there would be one

[@danstevens6455]

"riders" we are all riders on the storm in this life. You must have a different version of the song then I got.😀

[@daneguitarist1]

@@danstevens6455 eh

[@42ndLife]

By my understanding, by "pale" the writer is referring to the ghastly pale colour of a corpse. The pale horse is a zombie horse. Now that makes sense, because its rider is Death. I mean, why would Death be rider a living horse? That would be silly. I am serious about that horse being a zombie. Apparently, the original Greek used a word that describes the ghastly pale colour of a corpse. It's a detail that has been lost in translation. Too bad. Death would look pretty rad riding upon a zombie horse followed by the legions of Hades. Oh yeah, in some interpretations Death is leading the denizens Hades, it's not just the Greek god. So, that's Death riding a zombie horse and leading an army of the dead. Why isn't this a heavy metal album cover? Oh, and the first horseman isn't Pestilence, that's a misunderstanding caused by Middle Age scholars pushing names onto the first three horsemen who are not actually named. I would argue that a better name for the first horseman would be Conquest, Social Upheaval, Maga or Trump.

[@walterbushell7029]

I like the Revelation's angelsaying Jesus was the Morning Star which is Venus. Thus Jesus is Aphrodite.

[@tonyclif1]

The high end of the price of wheat and barley is 80c per pound. $6.40 seems like a good wage for a day's work! 😂

[@floridamaninthewild]

Speaking of wheat and barley, don't let it get wet or you might see visions like this.

[@l.a.gothro3999]

Oh...I thought it was "tribbleation", where a rain of tribbles falls down upon the earth.

[@philmckay9973]

Lol evangelical was advertising on ur video

[@wintermute740]

I about lost it when you said your children are half translucent... And that wasn't even your best quip. ;)

[@Susie_Floozie]

I always know what kind of xtian I'm dealing with when they call it "Revelations" plural. They know their "favorite book" only so far as they can throw their bullshit.

[@lh1673]

And this book God will tell even to children suffering from these horrific horses that brings war, famine, pestilence etc, “sorry I can’t rescue you even I know have tons of angels who actually can come to you to save, but see I have a plan”😢

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Interesting, where does “God” say that? And besides what’s the problem?

[@bdariamihaela]

Wait that's all? Man what a cliff-hanger We baissicly wasted an entire chapter on opening a freaking scroll and didn't even got to the end

[@pi3tr3]

vengeance is not the jedi way...

[@lh1673]

Imagine as a believer I had to be fascinated reading this and think wow Terrible Horses are coming and it came cuz my Lord (Lamb) said so😅

[@joecserna]

Paid by the word. So, writers for “The Sun?”

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Try by the scroll 📜

[@tomservo56954]

I'm glad I don't expect anything to be better for me in Heaven...

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

How do you know you’re going to Heaven?

[@tomservo56954]

@@Daniel-cz7kd The better question is "Why would I WANT to?"

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

@@tomservo56954 ​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠ Well you haven’t answered either, so a better question is “Why would you NOT WANT to?”

[@l.a.gothro3999]

They be using some cheap sealing wax.

[@kleinjahr]

So the Fourth horseman rode out on a pale horse, named Binky.

[@maximelecompte4446]

Atheist here, former 20 years evangelical christian. Hemant, I love your videos. Totally loved the first 5 books videos also. Now, let me say a word to "sligthly" defend christians. Yes, some of them are quite fine with every non-christians going through the tribulations and then to hell. Others, I would dare say the majority, are not "fine" with it, in fact it saddens them but they do see it as being "just". After all, you didn't accept Jesus as your lord and savior so why would he take you with him? If you don't like him, wouldn't it be some kind of "torture" on his part to take you along for eternity? Think of it this way; if you don't buy a lottery ticket, you don't deserve to win. I know, comparing lottery and tribulations isn't the best exemple but you get the general idea. That being said, I'm so glad and relieved I no longer believe in all that weird stuff. Bad sci-fi writings. I prefer tribbing... Hemant, I look forward to next Sunday to listen to you with pleasure.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

maximelecompte4446 Do you even know what ‘tribbing’ means? And besides what’s the matter with all that “weird stuff”? What’s so great about atheism?

[@maximelecompte4446]

@@Daniel-cz7kd Hi Daniel, yes, indeed I know what tribbing means. Why d’you ask? Need me to teach you? Or is it that you can’t get a joke when you read one? Weird stuff. What about it? Everything about god, its bible, its commandments, its teaching, its values, its personality traits, its threats and promises. Everything is the matter. It’s nothing but weird stuff, the lot of it. Atheism is great ‘cause it frees your mind from all the fears, the false hopes, the hate, the intolerance and all that is related to god and religion. Wish you a good day, pal.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@maximelecompte4446 What fears? What false hopes? What hate? What intolerance? What all related to religion is your mind freed from? Besides what benefits does atheism offer? Correct me if I’m wrong, but in atheism I don’t have a “freed mind” in fact it’s very much captive, imprisoned and limited mind, especially with the weird stuff you mentioned.

[@maximelecompte4446]

@@Daniel-cz7kd No point in answering your questions, clearly we wont see eye to eye, clearly you don't understand what I say. Atheism is great, much better than any belief in any god. You wish to believe in a god, whatever it is? Your free to do so. It helps you and makes you happy? Good for you. You're free to share your happiness and your beliefs but don't try to impose them on others. Live and let live. As for me, I'm happy and free as an atheist, glad I'm no longer locked in any copper age god beliefs. Wish you a nice day.

[@aurorafrost288]

5:51 - Hades, eh? So the Christians do acknowledge other gods it would seem, considering Hades was the god of the underworld (Jewish Sheol) in the Greek Pantheon.

[@ronkelley5348]

Having spent a big chunk of my life as a catholic, having gone to catholic primary and secondary schools (UK), and having been involved with the church for many years before leaving and becoming firmly atheist, I was always taught that this book was not to be taken at all literally. I was taught it was highly allegorical and it was addressed specifically to those 7 early churches. How anyone can think it is even vaguely 'real' beats me completely. As you say, all the stuff about the sun and stars are so blatantly wrong that it makes it clear it is entirely made up. If the maker of the universe had dictated/inspired it, you'd think it would know that the stars are not little lamps hanging int he sky...

[@thelyrebird1310]

6:25 personally I had hoped it was all true and covid was the pale horseman that going to solve global warming and over population

[@walterbushell7029]

Revelation 22:16 reference to earlier post.

[@vik4416]

you know that Patmos was a place of exiles and convicts. so revelation was written by a guy named john from Alcatraz island would be a modern equivalent. sounds real legit.

[@ICantPronounceThatName]

Is it wrong to confess that as the Bible goes, I'm definitely among those who enjoy watching the tribbing? Also, wait. The Bible acknowledges Hades? But I thought Jesus and his pops was the only true God? Where did Hades suddenly come from? Even if we interpret Hades simply to mean the realm of the dead, it is still a realm named after the god who presides over it... Is Jesus a blasphemer?

[@JZsBFF]

1:53 🤣🤣

[@jamiegallier2106]

❤❤❤

[@lightbearer313]

If the Bible was truly prophetic, then the first four seals wouldn't unleash horsemen, but motorbike riders (as in 'Good Omens'). Of course, back then they didn't know about motorbikes or jet planes, but you would think that an omniscient god would know (as well as also having a chapter in his book about germ theory).😀

[@rebbecachunn]

Again, I wish we knew what they were on while writing this...and then deciding to make it canon?

[@FlernoidHodges-pq1js]

I thought I was arrogant? Hehmet is more arrogant Captain Hammer.

[@vik4416]

hey bud, one is either translucent or not, but having translucent kids does give you a pass, this one time.

[@sun1one1]

Whoa, hold up. Hades is mentioned in the Bible? What happened to all the "pagan" gods being made-up?

[@visaman]

Thou shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3-5

[@sun1one1]

@@visaman Yeah. So they do exist - or they did in the minds of the men who wrote the Bible.

[@d.o.m.494]

Revelation, the ultimate acid trip.

[@sarahstone1715]

It sounds like the author was high as a kite .

[@sharkpoolbolt662]

Is this like Pandora’s box and the 7th seal will bring hope

[@craigmorgan7558]

Men on horses with bows and swords are not that scary anymore.

[@PatrickMcGowan-ch4ho]

Say what you like Revelations has been the basis of some good movies 😁

[@alexandershendi7428]

I always said that reading was evil, whether scrolls, parchments, books or ebooks. So take a lesson from this video and don't read this comment.

[@Craxin01]

I didn't know when I started watching this, I didn't know I was going to be hearing about lesbian sexual acts.

[@Ephraim-e4o]

But wheat had not been introduced to the middle eat

[@AlexM1983DHUN]

Wait! What?! Hades (5:37) again? I thought there is no god besides Jehovah/Jahweh/Allah. Now we learn, from the Bible no less, that the Greek god of the Underworld is there too. Who else are you hiding? 🤔

[@lynkissa]

While the Christians are (supposedly) monotheistic, the Israelites were actually henotheistic: more than one god exists, but it is only correct to worship one of them. I believe the Pentateuch references Baal and Astarte specifically.

[@visaman]

​@@lynkissaand El.

[@alasdairwhyte6616]

seems to me the fiery red horse is a tad late: humans have been killing each other since time immorial, and by that time a sword will be little use agains a nuke

[@lh1673]

Why does the Lamb open something TERRIBLE to come!? It should’ve been Lion😅

[@kookamunga2458]

I've never read more than a sentence in whole entire Bible. Im pushing fifty and will never read another word from the Bible because it's all quackery.

[@danibeck3771]

12:32 no he's not. The author never said the true believers will be raptured. That is nowhere in this text.

[@qbasicmichael]

True. The rapture is in 1thessalonians (also drawing on matthew 24), not in revelation.

[@bluntforcetanya]

I googled it

[@Jimusmc0311]

Maybe we don't understand.. like so many things

[@kevinreese8224]

Considering none of this will ever happen, it’s happened a lot of times already 😂😂😂

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

Just remember THAT when it happens and you meet Jesus 🙂🫤

[@Puckoon2002]

Was the pale horse called Binky?" Don't google that... ;-)