Everything Wrong With The Phantom of the Opera in 17 Minutes or Less

[@jessicahansen112]

According to French history and the Phantom of the Opera book, the underground of the opera house is actually a flooded dungeon/torture chamber from one of the wars France was involved in. The idea was the music of the operahouse would mask the sounds of screaming prisoners and no one would suspect the operahouse of having a dungeon in the first place.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Yep France is beautifully messed up. There’s also a bunch of hooded figures who prowl around the Opera basement and never get explained.

[@punkrocker1377]

Welcome to Music of the Nightvale.

[@zotharr]

Thanks, ive read the book, but i dont remember (this part neither)

[@wardenm]

Part of it was simply a large cistern during construction with side areas for storing the building materials. Large projects like that still took several years to complete at the time. Once they no longer served a purpose and were abandoned, they were used as munitions storage occasionally by the French military when times of quiet stockpiling became necessary.

[@RachelSalvadore]

Wow, how did I forget that?

[@orangemarissa50]

I feel like the scene where the chandelier starts to rise and the theater goes back in time should have gotten a sin off. It was so well done with its effects.

[@veedriver]

Beat "Titanic" to the same FX

[@nanw.768]

Exactly. Especially when the black and white effect (which in of itself is genius, since it portrays the future and not the past) transitions to color (even though the story takes place in the past and not the future) is genius and very eye-catching. It's one of my favorite parts of the movie.

[@orangemarissa50]

@@nanw.768 i literally had my family watch the movie just for that scene alone, so good!!!!

[@nanw.768]

@@orangemarissa50 Yes!!! And the final scene where Cristine goes "the tears I've she'd for your dark fate grow cold and turn to tears of hate" is sooo good! 😭

[@orangemarissa50]

@@nanw.768 chef's kiss indeed!!

[@benjamintillema3572]

You're asking if the mask is attached to the phantoms hair and why it always looks so good.... it's a wig, dude. The phantom wears a wig through most of the movie. I remember watching this as a kid and being taken aback when Christine took off the phantoms mask, not because of his face, but because he was suddenly blonde.

[@iKadaj]

wow that explains why his hair suddenly changed at the end, but not the part earlier where she took off his mask and made him mad but his hair wasn't changed

[@Superbatmanbro]

This movie was so weird and hilarious to watch when I was younger and I really ridiculous and frustrated how much singing was going down and dumb they were having a masquerade even though the phantom still live there 🙄

[@parisjones2875]

@@iKadaj Because he was wearing different masks. The white one is attached with either tape or glue and ripped off his face. The wig came off when the black mask was pulled of because she pulled it over his head and it pulled the wig off with it.

[@derpy_pizzaroll8850]

@@iKadaj in the stage version the wig comes off both times if I recall correctly. It was probably overlooked during the production of the movie

[@horrordisneygal1172]

I have to admit so did I 😂

[@prof.lazarus2438]

I can actually tell you why the masquerade is held in the lobby: it’s a French theatre they were made for socialising, so much so that a lot of patrons only showed up before to be seen mingling in the lobby and then left before the performance... so the lobby is actually the best place to hold any sort of festivities as it’s literally made for that

[@denee557]

That's awesome!

[@Zeracheil]

To bad they did such a terrible job at the masquerade.. so dull and lifeless compared to the stage shows.

[@urb44n]

Cool

[@JSKatsky]

@@Zeracheil worst part about this part of the movie, compared to the staelge production, is that the tempo is sped up and Raoul and Christine don't participate in the number at all, they just watch

[@mask938]

@@JSKatsky And the only colors present in that scene are off-white, faded black and piss yellow, which is not a good thing since the song is all about variety and color.

[@ilmagicomondodimia7371]

That awkward moment when you realize about halfway through this video that the Cinema Sins voice guy is actually a FAN of the Phantom of the Opera, or in the very least has been exposed to one... You knowing his original backstory and getting upset about not seeing Christine hit that high not gave you away dude

[@violetpatina708]

I feel like they're fans of *most* of the movies they do Cinema Sins for. The point of Cinema Sins is being satirical and to point out that every movie has flaws even if it has a huge cult following. Not to hate on movies for no reason.

[@zoe9690]

I am a huge fan of this film and I do agree with this so yeah 😙✌🏾

[@maryy2077]

Love the sentence “in the very least has been exposed to one”

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

Jeremy( the voice of CinemaSins) is in to music and plays guitar.

[@wormie077]

Emmy doesn’t even sing Christine’s highest note lol that was out of her vocal range..so his whole point about watching her sing it doesn’t mean much anymore

[@suselibee9435]

Not sure whether I should be impressed or concerned that you took the time to count _every single candle_ in this entire goddamn movie.

[@jbvader721]

Well, he did count all the lamps in Bella's room when sinning "The Twilight Saga". So, it fits into both categories.

[@osirisjojo6876]

I guess both

[@bananachild7139]

He's finally lost it

[@gilbeau5254]

It was a time when electricity was limited. For a huge Opera House like that they would have had to have a lot of candles. I think the candles added to it’s mystique

[@Annahg78]

The reason the Phantom had beef with the stage hand is because he was one of the worst about mistreating him when he was younger.

[@gottabe884]

The second opera is supposed to have happened a few weeks after Christine came back. And the Raul rooftop scene is supposed to be a few weeks after the the second opera. When the Masquerade happens, it is supposed to be ~2-3 months from the rooftop scene. The Don Juan opera is supposed to be ~1-2 months from the Masquerade. So it takes place over about 6 months.

[@bigblue207]

Where’s the evidence for the rooftop scene being later? Just genuinely curious. I don’t see any motive for them to feel frightened or anything if there was no immediate threat

[@gottabe884]

@@bigblue207 It was originally written as a more casual exchange between the two but I think ALW changed it because of that reason you mentioned. I could be misremembering. It has been years since I read the book, which was used as light source material.

[@kjirstinswenson8794]

Finally someone brings up the timeline.

[@urb44n]

Yes! You actually brought up the timeline thank goodness!

[@b.d6642]

Actually the Masquerade scene is supposed to be 6 months after the rooftop scene

[@npardom]

Me, singlehandedly trying to sing both parts during the main song: - Sing for m...Ah-Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-AAH. Sing my ang...AAH-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah. SING! Aahhh. SING MY ANGEL! Aaaah. SING! Aaaahhh. SING FOR MEEE! AAAAAAAHHH *chokes and dies*

[@mariastyrakova3992]

Lmfao this made my day😂 relatable!

[@aidavaldez9589]

LFMDMDJDJKD SAMR

[@BunchesBundles77]

lmao im dyingg

[@valeriefedion6824]

That's not singing that you're screaming, LOL🤣

[@samfram8518]

XD

[@gray9818]

As someone who was classically trained and performed in a few operas in college, I appreciate the fact that you point out the difference in technique and timbre between this musical and operas!

[@beautyblueblossom]

Same! The first song I started training in was "Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again" and my teacher made perform it in an operatic technique because that is how they are supposed to sound like in a production with the word "opera" in it. After that, I started doing actual arias.

[@jorgesolis7897]

That's because this is a musical... Not an opera...

[@beautyblueblossom]

@@jorgesolis7897 It's a live-action musical set in an opera house where operas take place. Kinda need to stick to the right technique. It's even classified as a rock opera.

[@gray9818]

@@jorgesolis7897 You are correct! Though people often think that this musical is operatic because of its name so I'm saying I appreciate that cinemasins did their research on technique and timbre to highlight that difference

[@milam3382]

Andrew Lloyd webber actually wanted the singing to be less operatic this movie. in phantom of the opera musicals, there is definitely an operatic aspect to the technique in terms of vibrato and pitch but he wanted it to be more "aesthetic" to the movie rather than traditional.

[@Lissandale]

The real irony is he isn't even ugly with the mask removed. A little bit of scarring can't make Gerard Butler ugly.

[@li-limandragon9287]

It’s so fucking dumb, it’s like Zuko in The Last Airbender

[@parislajewel8751]

@@li-limandragon9287 the movie, show, or both?

[@alexsantoro597]

I mean in that time any minor abnormality that singled you out from other people was treated as a big deal that must be hidden

[@Lissandale]

@@alexsantoro597 Considering the time period that it took place...good point.

[@clara-nt9rx]

@@alexsantoro597 Actually lots of people would have bad skin conditions back then.

[@katherinebeirne25]

I love the fact that the opera house and performers had a masquerade ball, like they completely forgot the Phantom lives there and didn’t bother to check for him before throwing a party that basically mocks his style.

[@patriciacastaneda6940]

Yea

[@glendarjj3991]

@@patriciacastaneda6940 your way with words is inspirational

[@haydengodfrey8346]

@@glendarjj3991 A true testament to the beauty of the English language.

[@glendarjj3991]

I must admit, I teared up a little when I read his wonderful comment. The language he uses is truly exquisite

[@bubblegum1366]

It's mentioned (in exactly one line) that he's seemingly been gone for 6 months, so they were hoping he left for good. Plus nobody alive has actually seen him at this point but Madame Giry and Christine so they might not know about the mask.

[@elizabethcook9713]

"Now Christine is going to plead the lead with no notice?" Broadway swings do it all the time. It's quite literally their job description to learn everybody's parts so they can fill in at a moment's notice.

[@Marrythenightgaga101]

Exactly it’s called being an “understudy” 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@libradawg9]

@@Marrythenightgaga101 Yeah, but for TWO different shows?? That's a lot of understudying..........

[@DecemberSfy]

@@libradawg9 Try me…

[@libradawg9]

@@DecemberSfy Why, are you a theatre actress?

[@EveWilliamsMusic]

Yes but she wasn't an understudy. She has never dung in public before... it's the X Factor myth that you can sing into a hairbrush and be a superstar without being a support first. That's my personal bug bear as a Musicians' Union mentor and vocal coach. I appreciate tbis is fictional but sone people in real life do believe the 'bog break' myth.

[@calebwilliams7659]

Congrats on Cinema Sins for correctly calling out that Minnie Driver killed it in this movie and never got enough credit for it!

[@rocknroll20024]

Agree

[@janban9148]

Hell yeah

[@dorothymiskovic7202]

Who did she play again?

[@janban9148]

@@dorothymiskovic7202 Carlotta

[@calebwilliams7659]

@@dorothymiskovic7202 The Italian diva, Carlotta

[@DigiDestined13]

CinemaSins complains about 45 seconds of unnecessary logos while adding their own 14 seconds of unnecessary logos to the run time of this sins video.

[@b.d6642]

*DING

[@Sentient_Zee]

Also remember when these videos used to last less than three minutes and didn’t mention every bit of pointless bullshit that clearly aren’t problems at all?

[@felixcruzjr3881]

It's a joke idiots

[@mmitsuda01]

Adblock blocks ALL ads on youtube... But this only works on web version, not youtube aps...

[@amaranthinenight8733]

You’d be great at CinemaSins 😭😂

[@brianalambert1192]

I can't believe they missed the biggest sin of them all. The guy who is portraying Christine's father, the picture that she lights a candle for, is Ramin Karimloo. AKA one of the greatest Phantoms of all time. He's in a role where he doesn't even have a line, but Gerard Butler, the guy with no practically no training is given the singing role. Even if you had dubbed Gerard Butler with Karimloo, that would have been amazing and blurred realities, as the voice of the Phantom is a phantom but is also Christine's father. Given that Christine believes her father is the phantom, what a way to manipulate her to sing to her using her father's voice and the fact that the Phantom is a skilled ventriloquist and illusionist. Don't get me wrong, it's creepy, but a big part of Christine's psychology is that she is vulnerable because of the loss of her father, and she already believes it could be her father. In fact, start out with Karimloo singing all the Phantom's lines, then as the story progresses and Christine catches on to the Phantom's psyche more and more, the singing becomes a blend of Karimloo and Butler. But every time the Phantom speaks instead of sings, it's Butler's voice, and by the end it is only Butler's voice, except for the tough notes which are Karimloos, almost like Christine is seeing through the illusion

[@TheTrueDuchess]

That would be amazing, and I totally agree with you. I love Ramin.

[@kyujis]

i'd always wished they'd dubbed ramins voice over gerard but i hadn't even thought about the symbolism it would have of him using her fathers voice. that's such an amazing idea

[@risbonna]

I didnt notice that it was Ramin when I watched this. 😂

[@mask938]

This movie was directed by Joel Schumacher, whose infamous for directing the terrible Batman and Robin and whose only musical credit prior to this movie was writing the screenplay for the terrible film adaptation of The Wiz. You can't expect that level of brilliance from someone with those dreadful credentials.

[@IlluvatarHA]

The movie with the biggest fire hazard. That actually starts a fire.

[@glendarjj3991]

That is what us smart people like to call 'ironic irony that is in fact inronic'

[@Theauu]

@@glendarjj3991 "inronic" Sums up the average Cinemasins fan

[@miniclipsgames5419]

Pls Support Me 🥺🙏

[@PennState51014]

Actually Ryan started the fire 😂

[@mattlane5632]

It was always burning since the world been turning.

[@virginiadare1587]

A bit of trivia: Christine's Harry Styles looking dad is an awesome former Phantom. His name is Ramin Karimloo.

[@theatrekidwithinternetacce704]

He also played Raoul in the 2000s

[@Disneyfreak_8]

Ramin Karimloo 🥰

[@wizardkaila]

Ramin Karimloo is the only guy that played Christine's 3 main men.

[@theatrekidwithinternetacce704]

@@wizardkaila yep

[@theatrekidwithinternetacce704]

@Katy TerBerg Yes. He needed more time!!

[@G-Unit1111]

Well, it's still a better musical adaptation than Cats.

[@HelgaCavoli]

Not hard to do.

[@tabythajones3309]

I was going to say that lol

[@firstnamelastname-zf3gg]

It is harder to find anything worse than cats

[@johnather]

@@firstnamelastname-zf3gg harder implies not impossible which leads me to the question what is

[@pancakesatthedisco8088]

Fair enough.

[@altaireziofan7469]

Honestly hearing Raoul being compared to a flat-Earther has made my day.

[@li-limandragon9287]

It’s also super hilarious because his character is ironically a sailor.

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

Me @ cinema sins guy: you have truly made my night.

[@puppetgod2515]

“When you realized you brought a monkey to a diamond fight” 😂😂

[@bookshopvampire]

People who saw the musical first were generally very disappointed while a number of people who saw the movie first really liked it and became fans of the musical. It's a testament to how much The Phantom of the Opera connects with so many people across generations and countries in spite of ALL the sins of this movie.

[@DecemberSfy]

Musical was better. Don't get me wrong, the movie is okay. But seeing it live is a WHOLE EXPERIENCE that you just CANNOT get through a tv screen.

[@Cationna]

Yes!! Thank you for saying this; I was actually someone who saw this film first and fell in love with it, and only then read the book, and saw the musical years later. I've always been buffled by all the hate it got lol I mean many criticisms are very valid (that makeup is uh, a choice), but some of them just miss the mark completely imo. But in the end I think of the three pieces as separate things, which I love each in their own category - and I wish everyone would do the same.

[@Kindiah]

Watching it in the movie I realized how evil and abusive the phantom was. He wasn't romantic, he was abusive

[@Cationna]

@@Kindiah I mean - it's a gothic story. Yeah he was abusive, he was also, you know, a mass murderer, a scammer, and a blackmailer - which is the real ugliness that repels Christine, the real death that pursuits him, the real tragedy he is redeemed from by his final act of actual true selfless love... But it is all romantic as well - at the very least in that more original sense lol It was never meant to be realistic in any way, or like, a template for relationships, that's for sure.

[@sidthesquidable]

Phantom of the Opera was my favorite movie when I was a kid. I must have watched it dozens of times. In 2011, as a teenager, I watched the proshot anniversary at Royal Albert Hall and I was so shook. I couldn’t believe how much better it was, and how much more raw and emotional the story was. Now it’s really hard for me to go back and watch the movie because it just doesn’t live up. But I’ll always have nostalgia for it, and I still basically have the entire script memorized

[@little_ghosty1854]

I feel like they did Gerard Butler dirty in this movie with that makeup. There's barely any makeup on him. Imagine that conversation, "hey gerard wanna play the role of deformed monster in this movie?" "Oof, that's gonna take alot of makeup." "Y'think?"

[@bubblegum1366]

I too watch Dominic Noble

[@miniclipsgames5419]

Pls Support Me 🥺🙏

[@desmondgentle1474]

@@bubblegum1366 I was about to say the same.

[@bobzombie2710]

You forgot to put quotes around your whole comment

[@sithlordzach8418]

I mean, I get it. You don't need to play to the back row in a movie theater.

[@jasonblalock4429]

5:00 No one tell Jeremy about "Love Never Dies." 6:08 Never ever EVER tell Jeremy about "Love Never Dies."

[@jbvader721]

"Ten years OOOOOLLLLLLLLDDDDDD!!!"

[@kat.k5321]

LND's plot is TRASH but I can't help enjoying the music lol

[@jasonblalock4429]

@@kat.k5321 Yeah, agreed. I actually think LND has some of the best orchestrations of ALW's career. The music and the production design are the only saving graces of that show.

[@jbvader721]

@Jake Russell I know. It's so stupid but you can't help but laugh. And I only know of the existence of Love Never Dies thanks to Lindsay Ellis' channel where she's done-what eight videos related to Phantom of the Opera?

[@bookshopvampire]

Otherwise known as "Character Assassination: The Musical"

[@IsabellePinamena]

Honestly, I loved this movie as a kid, but watching the 25th anniversary had such great singing, acting, and costuming I can't ever really watch the movie the same way again

[@777LoveStory]

If you look closely at the picture of Christine's dad in this production and you'll see someone familiar!

[@TransformersBoss]

The biggest sin to me is that Raoul has the Phantom defeated and held at sword-point, then they leave the cemetery, then he’s like “how do we catch the Phantom?” Ummm, how about hold him at sword-point and send Christine for the police?!

[@asnowballinhell]

It's annoying, too, because a sword fight isn't even part of the original play. At least in the stage version, it makes sense that Raoul isn't in a position to subdue the Phantom.

[@Dvmondlove]

His mask only stays on because he used gorilla glue

[@TheAutobotTrinity]

That's where the scars came from. The first time he took it off without mineral spirits.

[@Dvmondlove]

@@TheAutobotTrinity lmaooooo

[@justaguyontheinternet4311]

Speaking of gorilla glue, did you see that one lady the put it in her hair ?

[@Dvmondlove]

@@justaguyontheinternet4311 thats why i said my comment lmaooooo

[@justaguyontheinternet4311]

@@Dvmondlove I figured as much

[@RebeRants]

Important missed sin: The guy playing Christine’s dad for one picture and one flashback is RAMIN EFFING KARIMLOO, ARGUABLY THE MOST ICONIC PHANTOM IN THE SHOW’S HISTORY and instead of having him play a real part he’s in it for TWO SECONDS

[@ajmalaika1287]

WHAT WHATTTTTTT? WHAT? WHO IN THE LIVING FUDGE OF ALLL THAT IS THEATRE MADE THAT DUMB DECISION? WHYYYYYY? RAMIN KARIMLOO WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESERVED IN HISTORY Thank god for the 25th anniversary recording

[@KhanMann66]

Easy to miss sin if you have no idea who he even is.

[@panagiotabaziou3243]

yeah, this is not a stage show, thats why he doesnt have a role in it. The movie clearly went for a more Hollywood approach, and the Ramin´s "cameo" is supposed to be a tribute to the stage show

[@miniclipsgames5419]

Pls Support Me 🥺🙏

[@miniclipsgames5419]

@@ajmalaika1287 Pls Support Me 🥺🙏

[@user-bb6re4hl8n]

0:35 you forgot to say roll credits I’m not even mad, just disappointed

[@1-800-CHRISSY]

Lol

[@TheConer]

ding

[@user-bb6re4hl8n]

@@TheConer cinema sins sin counter:5

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

He said later... but yeah, he should've said there.

[@user-bb6re4hl8n]

@@VicenteTorresAliasVits it’s not about whether he said it it’s about the principle

[@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102]

7:50 Fun fact, that's Emmy Rossum standing in as the doll in the Phantom's lair that is modeled after Christine. The original mannequin didn't look like her once they put the fake eyes in. So Rossum stood in with make-up on to look like a waxwork.

[@caidalee1994]

Christine’s final note on the title song was the first time I ever tried to stretch my voice. I’m now about to have my first recital next month as a coloratura.

[@TheTrueDuchess]

Man, for about two years I tried to be able to hit that last note by training by myself. I've been able to hit it twice, but it didn't sound very good. All the other times I tried, it turned into a tea kettle whistle. I've since given up, so I don't think I can hit anywhere near that note anymore.

[@caidalee1994]

@Musicals are my life thank you! It went really well, but I still have much to learn. Good luck to you!!!

[@caidalee1994]

@@TheTrueDuchess That just means you were meant to have a mezzo or maybe even alto voice, which can be so rich and beautiful! Trouser roles are so fun, I wish I could play them lol

[@TheTrueDuchess]

@@caidalee1994 Yes, I suppose so. I've been pretty much just developing my lower register since I've mostly just given up the idea of being a soprano. Thank you for the kind words, though!

[@BadBatchArmada99]

I am glad they had an over candling spot at the end. His reaction to over anything is hilarious I was shocked the candles weren't brought up sooner.

[@Bobicus5]

I especially appreciated the moving arrow to enunciate it

[@bbbw6114]

I was actually like, "Oh they wouldn't do Phantom of the Opera for their 2000's musical that's too obvious." but here we are...and I'm loving every second!

[@shadedflower5237]

The sequel is better

[@bbbw6114]

@@shadedflower5237 -*laughs in LND*

[@janban9148]

Same! Once they did the Les Mis movie I was dying for them to do Phantom. I love POTO, but the movie wasnt the best, I'm happy to see them finally make a vid about it.

[@dukedoll1]

Have they done Rent yet?

[@dancingrick1014]

Ok, to be fair, the overcandeling is actually amazing and clearly saves the movie. I mean they did an amazing job with the lighting! Which if you didn’t know consisted ONLY of the candles, no additional lights. This still mind blows me 🤯

[@annaanna6411]

holy shit. seriously? Is that true? that's amazing.

[@dancingrick1014]

@@annaanna6411 Apparently yes! The fire department did an amazing job! The fire started by the chandelier crashing was also a REAL FIRE! A true masterpiece for it. PS: Because of that, the candle situation became really stressful, especially when they just wouldn’t work when they wanted to reshoot All I ask of you

[@annaanna6411]

@@dancingrick1014 Maaan, that's so cool. I'm studying film and animation and I can only imagine how difficult that must have been to pull off. Thanks for sharing your movie knowledge! 🤗

[@dancingrick1014]

@@annaanna6411 No problem haha, I just like random facts that makes something just a bit more special

[@bigblue207]

@@annaanna6411 what’s your curriculum consist of

[@jadencosta1279]

I don't know what I'm more impressed by: the fact that they finally covered the Phantom movie, or that they took the time to count EVERY single candle in the entire movie.

[@dbseamz]

They didn't count the ones in the chandelier though--you know, the only fire hazards that ACTUALLY started a fire

[@CeltycSparrow]

So here's MY sin for the movie. We see the Phantom's hand lock Christine in her dressing room.....and then SECONDS later he is behind the mirror. AND he spoke to her before he revealed himself. So HOW did he get there so fast and still have enough breath to sing the lines?

[@li-limandragon9287]

My sin is that Christine is a brunette when she’s blonde in the book. Webber clearly gave no fuck so that Sarah could play her.

[@merenwen4495]

Here is mine: when they’re on the rooftop singing all i ask of you, it is snowing, but later on when they’re at the graveyard, and Christine is singing wishing you were somehow here again, it is also snowing, while that scene’s supposed to take place at least 6 months later. Why is it still snowing?

[@asnowballinhell]

@@merenwen4495 Plus, Christine has her cleavage exposed in all that snow.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@asnowballinhell Yeah back then, that’s a surefire way to die of hypofermia.

[@merenwen4495]

@@asnowballinhell I am no expert in late 1800 fashion, so no idea if that is weird or not 🤣

[@emma8187]

Christine's high note is possibly the most known high note throughout the musical theatre fandom

[@miniclipsgames5419]

Pls Support Me 🥺🙏

[@justinwilliams1127]

I was a theatre grad student for 3 years. One semester, a girl next to my office practiced that note... every day... for an hour... for an entire semester... just that note... not a fan anymore.

[@bonniehowell4259]

@@justinwilliams1127 I don't blame you.

[@josephfisher426]

I think the one in the 30s-40s version was even higher...

[@real_lampcap]

True and I'm proud to say I actually hit that note once lol. Just don't ask me to do it again 😆😆

[@marsmunky]

"There's never been an English-language opera." I guess Jeremy has never seen a JG Wentworth commercial.

[@dbmabe]

I'm dying...

[@sydtastic31091]

Also, there literally ARE english operas 🤣 Susannah is one, and boy is it sad.

[@afandingaiman]

Pirate of panzance, The Mikado. What the fuck....... Gilbert and Sullivan operas are my favourites.

[@thembill8246]

There were many English language operas. There have been many American operas, Porgy and Bess of course being the first one. And of course let's not forget about all of the rock operas, such as Jesus Christ Superstar which was of course written by the same author as Phantom of the Opera...

[@mattlane5632]

877 cash now.

[@lauraafjs]

You need a bonus bonus round...everytime someone says 'Christine'

[@mattlane5632]

I was like “If he doesn’t make a Princess Bride joke at the end of the credits I’m gonna be very upset.” THANK YOU! Forgetting to to so would be INCONCEIVABLE!!!

[@ferd617]

You keep using that word.

[@juliasings6131]

@@ferd617 I do not think it means what you think it means.

[@annaquinby7388]

There’s a six month Time jump between “All I Ask of You” and the masquerade ball

[@iceluvndiva21]

Thank you

[@r2ube]

This movie isn't the Phantom of the Opera, it's DA FAN- Tum! of theee Op-er- AAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[@dragonrider7101]

Ok,,I giggled. Take your like...

[@johnharris6655]

There is a documentary called "Behind the Mask" Which is about the making of the real Phantom of the Opera and all that went wrong. Including Sarah Brightman losing her voice for the rehearsal before the show opened. Her understudy was so good that Sarah made a remarkable recovery.

[@josephfisher426]

All of the red flags on Sarah Brightman were there in "I Lost My Heart to a Starship Trooper."

[@crimsonking6246]

@@josephfisher426 I lost my heart to the guy who wrote Cats

[@josephfisher426]

@@crimsonking6246 "I lost my heart to the guy who could write me lead roles."

[@theatrekidwithinternetacce704]

@@crimsonking6246 ALW?

[@spaggymerbles]

4.15 - the man in the picture is Ramin Karimloo, perhaps the most popular person ever to have played the Phantom in the West End/Broadway, and you just called him “Harry Styles”. 😂🤣😂🤣

[@emisthem6562]

The one thing nobody ever seems to realise about this movie is that it is a satire of Opera/Stage life - divas, strict mother-like instructors, young women falling for older men, Opera's being about family affairs and drama and so on...

[@ma.belle.evangeline]

- Lindsay Ellis enters chat - "THIS IS THE POINT OF NO REEETUUUUHHHUHRRRNNNNN!!!"

[@jbvader721]

Don't forget "DEEP AAS HEEEEAAAALLLLLLL!!!!!"

[@KillerCaitie]

Little known fact: The Phantom wears that mask to hide all the times he had Spirit Gum on his face, but ran out of the remover. Much easier to wear a mask than spend 5 straight hours trying to wash it off your skin.

[@snailorgy]

at least that solves the mystery of how the mask stayed on, stuck to his face with gum

[@janban9148]

Lmao

[@masterseal0418]

The phantom has some spiritual seamen on his mask. And he’s also an angel. I never saw that coming!

[@sithlordzach8418]

Fun Fact: If you make an exact plaster mold of your face and trim the outside as needed, the mask will adhere to your face like it does in the movie.

[@dorothymiskovic7202]

@@sithlordzach8418 cool

[@mikeym1121]

It is strange to hear a grown man use the name “Erik” for the phantom. I was sure only teenage classical reading fan girls knew it.

[@jbvader721]

Or Lindsay Ellis.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Using “Erik” is admirable because it means you’ve read the book and not just seen musical.

[@haleyadamic]

@Jonathan Parks tbh ALW I heard has gone on record and said his name isn't Erik and yeah, his name isn't ever mentioned in the movie or the play, but it's in the book

[@Eo-bo6sf]

Oh haha I didn’t even notice

[@li-limandragon9287]

@Jonathan Parks That just stinks of appropriation, ALW wants his version to supersede Leroux’s book and the shit sequel Love Never Dies is proof of that. Using “Erik” is totally fine and less wanky than just “Phantom”

[@barelytolerable520]

6:50: Yes! Why is she singing WHILE STILL IN THE BOAT?! It’s like her singing for him is just an afterthought when it’s one of the biggest reasons he’s in love with her in the first place! The stage production does this scene so much better!

[@libradawg9]

A great friend who took me to the Broadway version said they removed an entire verse from the Title Song of this movie. That's 50 sins for them and a few for you for not mentioning it. EDIT: Also, it's a two-way mirror.

[@juliasings6131]

Oh they totally did. Back when I thought this was the pinnacle of all things musical theater I did a karaoke of this song and was like 'what's this other verse? I've never heard it before, is it real?'

[@PhoenicianPrincess88]

Whic verse was it?

[@libradawg9]

@@PhoenicianPrincess88 He told me which one but I simply don't remember. He's since passed on but if he said it that means it's true. Somewhere in the movie there's a verse missing from the Broadway version of Phantom of the Opera. EDIT: The title song, specifically.

[@libradawg9]

@Gabrianna Eve Yes, thank you. My only question is........ Why?

[@libradawg9]

@Gabrianna Eve Yes but in the Title Song?? Literally any other song would've made more sense.

[@DianaKotzinMusic]

The Phantom does have a little beef with the stagehand Buquet- there’s a scene where Buquet mocks the Phantom’s noose to scare the chorus girls. Giry warns him not to make fun of him or it’ll come around. And the opera house has ears.

[@kerriethompson2073]

You should have used Edna's "No Capes" in the outakes. Would have been so much better.

[@dbseamz]

I too was rooting for that

[@robinhahnsopran]

Hi! I'm a professional opera singer. Can I just add a sin for how often I personally get told "Oh, I know opera! I LOVE Phantom of the Opera!" by really excited, well-meaning PotO fans and I have to smile while my soul leaves my body? It's a lot. :P Yes, it's a show where humans sing with vibrato and it's set in an opera house, but alas that doesn't make it an opera. It's a wonderful, gripping musical that requires a heckton of talent to perform in, though! Thank you for coming to my TedTalk. :)

[@NewMessage]

Sure, but when I wear half a hockey mask, and 'haunt the rink', there's a swat team, and tackling, and I lose the right to make my own legal decisions.. typical.

[@jenniferbaldini3527]

New Message: HYSTERICAL!!!!! I did an actual, right out of Hollywood, spit take and laughed until I had hiccups!! 👌👏👌👏👌👏👌👏👌👏👌👏👌👏

[@raydunakin]

LOL!! Good one!

[@urb44n]

Good one...

[@jaco3394]

This movie was the first Phantom production I ever saw and it made me fall in love with the music. Years later, I watched the 25th anniversary stage production livestream in the cinema, where the entire cast and orchestra is absolutely killing it. Now I can't watch this movie without cringing (I don't blame the cast, they're all great actors who did their best) but it still has a special place in my heart because it introduced me to the show.

[@FutureBereaAlumn]

Bouquet found the Phantom’s “secret” pathway. He knew too much.

[@vickiejohnson30]

As a hard core fan of everything the Phantom of the Opera, this video was glorious. Hearing Raoul called a flat earther was hilarious. Thank you so much. 💕 💕

[@intorainbowzOG]

This movie was worse than the tour performance where they didn't do the lasso thing on Raul at the end of the play. The Phantom snuck up and slipped it on his head. I was not the only person that groaned.

[@nigerianprincess101]

The music for Phantom: Great and wonderful The plot: Nonexistent garbage that is just a vehicle for the music

[@jbvader721]

That's Lord Andy in a nutshell. He's like the Michael Bay or George Lucas of musical theater.

[@MissMochaccino]

I mean...you’re not wrong xD

[@janban9148]

I love POTO, but yes, have to agree with that 😂😂😂

[@bigblue207]

The blame can’t go entirely to him since it was based on the book... coming from someone who didn’t read the book or see the Lon Chaney version yet

[@li-limandragon9287]

@nigerianprincess I highly recommend reading book, it’s got none of Andrew Lloyd Webber wank writing.

[@ryandineen3655]

These are some legit notes on a musical theatre performance...I’m kinda caught off guard haha Well done lads

[@viperkins]

when i was younger, i used to think i was so damn good at singing the high note- i wasnt.

[@lepetitchat123]

It is as difficult as hitting Mariah Carey's high note in "Emotions"

[@FeelinErie]

Patrick Wilson and Gerard Butler could *GET IT* a thousand times.

[@jessica8789]

PERIODDD 😩

[@roaguilera5474]

PERIODDDD I watched this movie as a 11yo the first time and I fell hard for Gerard, and not even for his looks but for his voice ommmgg

[@jessica8789]

@@roaguilera5474 GIRL YES the voice and the black fit made me FALL for this man 🤌

[@Exceltiaawesome]

Bruh I watched this when I was 12 and I’m telling you Gerard in “Masquerade”/“Why So Silent”, “The Point of No Return” and “Letters” re-wired my hormones or something.

[@malachiprior1800]

"There has never been an English language opera." *sobs in Benjamin Britten*

[@ProudPapaJD]

I’ve never, not once, been more disappointed at having my expectations subverted than when you did NOT say “roll credits.” I’m crushed.

[@uncommonlilly2392]

He did at 3:14

[@finmiles965]

*rubs hands together* HOOOO boy, been hoping for this since Musical Hell and then Lindsay Ellis did this disaster...

[@gagejoseph91]

Oh right, I almost forgot to watch Lindsay's "Phantom" video this week. Thanks for reminding me.

[@finmiles965]

@@gagejoseph91 ah, happy to help, and don’t forget to finish off your tour of Movie Musical Purgatory with CATS!

[@xxkewldudexx]

Same.

[@HennryHammerhead]

I wouldn't call it a disaster. Full of problems and plot holes yea but there are much worse movies out there than this one.

[@finmiles965]

@@HennryHammerhead oh yeah there are worse, but naïve 10-year old me certainly considered it a disaster on par with the Eragon movie, especially at the angsty screaming of “tooooo HEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL!!!” and at ‘Notes’s circuitous meandering blocking as opposed to the lively/energetic blocking in stage versions that makes it more funny and charming :P To each their own though! I’ve now grown up and learned to not expect much from movie adaptations lol

[@SandraNLN]

I really love the observation he made pointing out that the film version of Christine does NOT have an operatic voice compared to Carlotta. In the stage performance of Phantom, at least when Sarah Brightman was playing Christine, she had presence and the volume an operatic soprano should have (making it more reasonable that they should choose to give her the role when Carlotta walks out). Also the amount of time, money, renown, advertisement, costume creating (being made to fit Carlotta), they ABSOLUTELY would have gone after her and tried everything to get her back rather than just "yeah, ok, random stage extra/chorus member your voice is fine and you're pretty." Not to mention, did they really not have an understudy/standby already lined up for Carlotta's role? But then again, that's more a problem with Lloyd Weber's libretto for it, or maybe the book its based on that I've never read. But still...

[@li-limandragon9287]

Do read the book, Christine isn’t just a Sarah Brightman stand in, she’s an actually character who stands up for herself. The musical just chickifies her.

[@SandraNLN]

@@li-limandragon9287 Oh, i don't doubt that! I just mean that the actress playing Christine in the film makes for a poor comparison to matured and trained voices like Sarah who make Christine's songs sounds so impressive. As a Character, the musical of course makes her 2D. Perfect but naiive orphan who just blinks her pretty eyes and waffles around in the opera house. I've no doubt that the book gives her at least something else to think/say/do.

[@allisonfitzmaurice6948]

“Misquoting Taylor Swift lyrics” I SCREAMED 😂😂😂

[@calebwilliams7659]

Missed Sin: Meg walks far, FAR down the hallway behind the one-way mirror and we can see it stretch all the way back to the dressing room and it's empty. Two seconds later Madame Giry grabs her by the shoulder. Madame Giry would be great as "Quicksilver" or "The Flash".

[@sabyspellman1216]

What about Meg suddenly having dry pants after she wades through butt high water?

[@calebwilliams7659]

@@sabyspellman1216 Hahahah!

[@tyknight3911]

god damn it i was hoping this movie would fly under your radar so i can keep SOMETHING from my childhood pure in my eyes

[@glendarjj3991]

'No movie is without sin'

[@patriciacastaneda6940]

Yea

[@scixxor6025]

No movie is without sin, no movie can stay unsinned. It is our motto.

[@miniclipsgames5419]

Pls Support Me 🥺🙏

[@miniclipsgames5419]

@@glendarjj3991 Pls Support Me 🥺🙏

[@Helloworld-ss5uv]

1:42 and 5:36 He missed an opportunity to say “Tommy, how’s the peeping? TOMMY TOMMY TOMMY TOMMY” For those of you who don’t know, its a common Cinemasins joke.

[@asisharamsey5045]

"Hey, but remember he's just some guy " lol

[@mrfld]

You’ve made musical references before but this video proves your fandom.

[@mariastyrakova3992]

4:17 “You spelled Harry Styles wrong” I’m dead 😂

[@mariastyrakova3992]

@@Yeemonightmare wow, i didn’t know that hahahaa😆

[@nadapanikova2688]

Ikr

[@Meatfrequency]

I typically don't enjoy musicals but this is legitimately one of my favorite movies.

[@shadedflower5237]

The sequel is better

[@brainybunny13]

@@shadedflower5237 whats the sequel called? I have just found out that there is a sequel after all these years. Lol.

[@asnowballinhell]

I liked the stage version better. Love Dale Kristien's voice.

[@monmothma3358]

I like the music and some of the performances in this, but it's pretty garish.. For anyone who's interested, I recommend the 1990 version, starring Charles Dance and Teri Polo. It's all but forgotten now, but it had much better production values, and was filmed in the actual Paris opera house. It's *not* a musical (but still has great music).

[@asnowballinhell]

@@monmothma3358 I haven't heard of that version. Thanks for recommending.

[@viktorbraginski]

The fact that y'all didn't sin the fact that Christine told the whole story of the "Angel of Music" and then sings the same story is a sin in itself

[@em-ily1227]

Fun fact, the actor who plays her dad (in the photo at 4:16) is Ramin Karimloo, and he is the only actor to have ever played Christine’s dad, Raoul and the Phantom. He’s best known for his performance as the Phantom in the 25th anniversary performance (which I highly, it’s so much better than the movie!) and is widely considered to be one of the best Phantoms ever 😊

[@steakjones]

bonus sin: movie pays tribute to legendary and widely beloved phantom ramin karimloo by featuring his photograph as christine's father instead of actually cASTING HIM AS THE PHANTOM LIKE HE GODDAMN DESERVED

[@annes2994]

I remember liking this movie when I was a kid. Grown up, wow I didn't realize how bad this movie is or how messed up Raoul and Christine's relationship is. A lot of things went over my head lol.

[@sidthesquidable]

When I was a kid I thought the story was so romantic. Now the entire time I’m like “YOURE SO STUPID CHRISTINE, RUNNNNN” 🏃‍♀️

[@Kattywagon29]

I still love this movie. Its very pretty and the music is great. Sure Christine is pretty dumb, but so is everyone else, so it balances out. LOL

[@bigblue207]

It’s one of those things you have to revisit often to really fully appreciate and basically every new time you experience it you learn something new. Edit: not the movie specifically, just the show in general

[@li-limandragon9287]

@Anne S How’s Raoul and Christine’s relationship messed up? At least Raoul doesn’t go around hanging people and try blow up Paris trying himself to get laid. Webber’s hard on ship for Erik (Phantom) and Christine’s fucked to manipulative relationship is what messed up, just see Love Never Dies for more proof.

[@annes2994]

@@li-limandragon9287 It's the whole constantly telling her that what she tells him is not real. And then setting her up as bait when the Phantom is a well-known serial killer at this point. Who is also greatly unpredictable. Granted yes, Raoul is still far better than the Phantom. I would never romanticize Christine with the Phantom(I've seen people do that and yikes) I kind of wished they used the book. The book was more of a dark comedy and I found Raoul to be a better boyfriend to Christine.

[@b.d6642]

He forgot to mention how they screwed up the phantom's age, think about it: they show that he is at least 10 years older than madame giry who is supposed to be in her 60/70 and not only is he creeping on a 16 year old he is also played by someone who at the time was in his late 20's EDIT: btw I'm terrible at telling age so thanks to anyone who corrected me, point is Erik is much older than Christine, madame giry and Gerrard buttler in this version

[@jasonblalock4429]

But isn't Meg supposed to be roughly Christine's age? It seems like that would most likely put M. Giry somewhere in her 40s. (Which matches Miranda Richardson's IRL age at the time.) Although even then, the Phantom is still way too young.

[@b.d6642]

@@jasonblalock4429 i guess so, i forgot about meg And in general I'm terrible at recognising age

[@InBloodChains]

Uh also, Gerard Butler was 35 at the time

[@virginiadare1587]

@@InBloodChains You beat me to it. I was in my late 20s when this came out & Butler is 7 years older than me.

[@dbmabe]

I know source material doesn't matter for Cinema Sins, but in the book and play, Erik is quite a bit older than Christine. The movie is the only medium that shows him being a child when he moved into the Opera house. The whole thing about him being a carnival attraction is movie only as well. But the play establishes that he was an adult when Mdm. Giry met him.

[@mcolwander90]

What the absolute heck. I literally just watched this movie two days ago, immediately checked here, and was disappointed you haven't sinned it yet. You must be stalking me haha.

[@arnoldrivas4590]

"This opera is sung in English, and everyone knows there's never been an English language opera." Purcell, Handel, Gilbert & Sullivan, Adams, Williams, Britten, Gershwin, Joplin, and freaking Bernstein! : You dare challenge our contributions? You pathetic mortal?!

[@b.d6642]

Also France isn't filled with people who speak English with a French accent, usually it's people who just speak french with a French accent

[@LadyOnikara]

The first thing I thought of was Hamilton.

[@urb44n]

@@b.d6642 exactly

[@ThatMahn]

"Hey fancy counting all the candles for a small boost in sinning this movie?" "No" "Well too bad, go do it"

[@dabagames5991]

Day 2 of asking for “EWW The sound of music” in honour of Christopher Plummer

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

How would that honor him? Wouldn't it be the opposite?

[@HelgaCavoli]

Up

[@kimberleyravenswood5287]

@@VicenteTorresAliasVits Nah. Plummer wasn't a fan of it. He called it, 'The Sound of Mucus' so a proper lashing would be suitable.

[@stringtheories9820]

There is nothing wrong with The Sound Of Music. I have spoken

[@FuzzyStripetail]

After continually murdering the lead performer for several of those quickly and impossibly constructed next day operas, the Phantom might have to rely on his boat's garage door opener to be the opener of the next opera.

[@jdlee7490]

*SKIP*

[@raincloud6904]

16:13 That is just a rule of musicals... Do you really think that soldiers were breakdancing at Yorktown 1781? 😂🤣 Great vid tho, Raoul being a flat earther made my day.

[@cicimelendez4557]

I'm still on the part where she falls in love with the Phantom after calling him her father multiple times...🤨

[@swiftiesoprano]

So as a classical singer myself, I know that opera houses do indeed do different productions each day. However, the stars will perform in the production they are contracted for a few days apart to give their voices a rest. The chorus will perform at all the performances they are in. Also, Carlotta is the real star of this show.

[@thesingingthing]

I'm still not over the fact that Ramin Karimloo 'plays' Christine's father in this (when I say 'plays' I mean 'in a photograph for like a second).

[@friesontheside6267]

The people who type "first" would be great at cinema sins

[@jorgenofalltrades]

**ding**

[@glendarjj3991]

First

[@friesontheside6267]

@@glendarjj3991 **ding**

[@glendarjj3991]

@@friesontheside6267 what about if I type 'second'

[@friesontheside6267]

@@glendarjj3991 500 sins for even mentioning that

[@dkursada]

I was recommended to watch this musical by a close friend of mine. By "recommended", I mean she insisted so much she would remind me daily for a month. I'm so going to send this video to her

[@cherries_and_wine]

watch Phantom of the Opera 25th anniversary. This is as good as it gets in terms of watching it at home when all the theatres are closed

[@lostagain9386]

@@cherries_and_wine y e a

[@janban9148]

@@cherries_and_wine 100000% agree. The stage performance is so much better than the movie and Ramin Karimloo and Sierra Boggess absolutely kill it as Phantom and Christine in the 25th anniversary performance.

[@cheerfullcynic]

Send her the Lindsay Ellis video essay next lol

[@cherries_and_wine]

@@janban9148 don't forget Hadley Fraser as Raul, I was never impressed with Raul before his performance

[@eleanorshakespeare8477]

The boat in the woman's hair was actually the fashion during the time period of the opera setting. During the reigns of Louis XV and Louis XVI having big wigs with different decorations was the thing, such as boats, fruit, nests, birds, other animals etc.

[@serenaeadon1359]

Are there any people in this comment section who have seen Love Never Dies and finding these comments extremely ironic because same 😂😂😂

[@grafitisoc01]

sin 99, you've obviously never been a pit orchestra musician. You siteread most of it and you never play it 100% right ever.

[@josephfisher426]

But you have more than one rehearsal!

[@brianfix4404]

Sight reading is a gift! Blessed to have it!

[@LadyOnikara]

I did this at school. For the life of me I couldn't play my flute right so when we performed for the whole school I just blew into it since no one could hear me anyway. I'm glad none of those songs had flute solos.

[@ImEffy1996]

I never knew people didnt like this before years ago. I have seen this movie since i was 10 years old and it made me love musicals. I think its one of the best musicals that turned into a movie. Its still one of my favorite movies.

[@ingridmay66]

Don't listen to these haters. This version is the best and got a many millions of fans!

[@goldie1089]

Lindsay Ellis has been waiting for this day. She is currently sitting on her couch at night, wearing comfy ass pajamas, wearing a red lip, and nursing a glass of mildly expensive wine, smiling in satisfaction.

[@jbvader721]

Chomping on Funyuns. Don't forget the Funyuns.

[@rachelhughes8487]

Calling Ramin Karimloo Harry Styles cracked me up

[@noegiard494]

4:16 So you are telling me... that they had Ramin Karimloo in the movie... AND STILL WENT WITH GERARD GODDAMN BUTLER TO PLAY THE PHANTOM???? RAMIN WAS R I G H T T H E R R

[@xsofiapedro]

“...and everyone knows there’s never been an English language opera.” And I’m sinning you for that incorrect fact. *ding*

[@Edmqueen]

i LOVE the " he called me little lotte"...eeeewwwww.....i laugh everytime

[@li-limandragon9287]

Weird too, her dad called her that in the book.

[@sarahurbanova6745]

Finally. I've been waiting so long for this moment.

[@arreah1848]

You guys this is more than I could have ever asked for for the Cinema Sins treatment! I’m a huge Phantom fan having seen almost every version of the show, movies, books, yadda yadda, and this totally made my day! And I feel like you saw my comments somewhere about the over-candling for this movie. I feel like my prayers have been answered thanks so much!

[@aaronfangheart]

I grew up with The Phantom of the Opera it's a wonderful movie and a great book also. It's beautiful and I think it's underrated

[@li-limandragon9287]

I love the book, the musical overshadows it too much which is a shame since it’s a horror classic.

[@aaronfangheart]

Oh no your right the movie doesn't follow the book at all but then again they can't keep everything from the book you know. I still loved it