Everything You Can (AND CAN'T) Do In Safer Seas - Sea of Thieves

[@AShinyRay]

Chapters: 00:34 Ships, Crews and Player Count 00:58 Rewards 02:38 Factions 03:46 Commendations 05:57 World Events

[@AdmiralHellShot]

but you didnt tell us if our gold from high seas carries over to Safer seas Im trying to earn my DA set in athena area, So does gold transfer back and forth cause if it doesnt then theres no use playing safer seas because it take a millenia to get Dark Adventurer

[@AShinyRay]

@@AdmiralHellShot yes, of course

[@OldbonesxD]

I didn't see you say you cannot raise emissary flags sir...

[@ajrudolf8074]

@@OldbonesxDI think he said you can’t

[@McKamikazeHighlander]

This will make me give the Tall Tales a go. Always put off trying them as i was wary of other players just turning up and ruining my story mode

[@sirenouir]

Based

[@CantRead1]

This is literally my reason. I was always messed with when trying to do a Tall Tale. Or just overall being paranoid of being messed with.

[@CantRead1]

This is literally my reason. I was always messed with when trying to do a Tall Tale. Or just overall being paranoid of being messed with.

[@forexed8948]

I got attacked when I was working on the shores of gold and the pirate's life more then once, and almost every time it was periods when I had NOTHING worth stealing. It was infuriating, so I always did my tall tales during the hours when there were fewest players online, one of my strategies to play through the tales was deciding "will I need my ship for this one" and if the answer was NO, then when I got where I needed to go, I'd scuttle my ship and forget about it until the end when I or one of my crew would fetch the ship at the end.

[@conArtistAUS]

if you have no loot and aren't a dick any decent SOT'r will let you continue , but i have boarded people screaming talltalers with loot stacks hidden lol, i got gold curse before checkpoints so its been really ch(easy) since

[@imjustabee]

I absolutely love this update. I solo'd for the first time today, not having to worry about anything. I'm not bad at PVP, nor are the friends I normally play with, but it stresses me out to no end. I had to take a long break from SOT simply because it caused too much anxiety, but now I need not worry. I've already maxed out the main factions and have nothing else I really want to work towards but now I can just relax and sail around doing random world events, which is all I've ever wanted to do. Not having to constantly look over my shoulder is such a huge relief

[@srgantmoomooo]

@@tomathecatgato2813 have you ever played skyrim? have you ever played dark souls? have you ever played a non-multiplayer game? minecaft surivival perhaps? have you ever stopped to realize how big games like these are? without any pvp involved. how not every single of the billions of people on this earth enjoy the same things that you enjoy? im writing all this meanwhile i'm probably talking to someone who has some sort of mental retardation and spent time in "special classes" judging by how stupid of a comment this is.

[@imjustabee]

@@tomathecatgato2813 Boring for you but not boring for us. Past few days we've been happily just sailing around getting up to goofy shit that we couldn't do before. We don't need or want to be good at PVP we're happy just messing around

[@dabears22]

@@tomathecatgato2813 woahhhh dude ur a savage... not everyone wants to sweat out every single game they play. casual gaming is valid sometimes too lol.

[@Drix2Dope]

​@@tomathecatgato2813You sound like my brother lol who you tryna show off to if you think other ppl care your good at a virtual game ur priorities need adjustment man enjoys pve you just mad your pvp servers dead asf and for later interactions try not to be passive aggressive it's not a good trait

[@MilesO-t7d]

If sea of thieves ic givign you anxiety, you might need to seek some medical help.

[@andrewcullen2527]

I think the only thing I would love to have changed is the custom ship/captaincy. Otherwise I'm gonna enjoy safer seas

[@truekurayami]

I'd like captaincy to be able to quick sell random loot but I started playing long before it was really hinted at so it gives me some nostalgic feelings needing to carry everything back to specific factions. I wish we got tomes still even if it was only 1 book from each set just for there to be more options to get doubloons for newer players with all reaper loot otherwise being removed.

[@handemorebattlelands4009]

shameful

[@ErronKebabb]

@@handemorebattlelands4009 True, could be a little more convenient, but I agree with TKY the immersion of going to each faction post is cozy x3

[@twisted6gamer]

They can leave the captaincy turned off. I'd just like to use my custom ship i worked so hard to get. Lol

[@SanguineIce]

i’ve had the game since launch but never completed any tall tales because of the pvp griefing. this is such an excellent option because i never realized how lore rich sea of thieves was and how satisfying of a puzzle game it was because i never could make it far enough to enjoy those parts of the experience. and yeah im not the best at PvP, but you can’t have forced PvP like this when 95% of the game requires slow, methodical movement because you’re assuming that players are always going to play in good faith. and they don’t. they exploit, troll, grief, and don’t require a reason to do any of these things outside of boredom. even fucking gta online has passive mode because they recognize pvp should be opt-in. passive mode never ruined my enjoyment of GTA and i ultimately found myself not using it as much once i was ready for confrontations

[@Sumguyinavan_]

I was asking for this mode for a few years, I was even willing to pay extra just to have this experience. I don't mind the 70% loss of reputation/loot at all because of the frequency with which my ship would be attacked and I would be repeatedly killed until I quit the game- you can't make any gold at all if you can't turn in loot, and you gain no reputation if you can't finish voyages and stories. So 30% rewards is infinitely better than 0% from having no desire to play the game at all.

[@lovewingsmc]

Skill issue

[@Sumguyinavan_]

@@lovewingsmc enjoyment issue. It may shock many people, but some players don't LIKE PVP. There are people who prefer all PVE or coop games. This provides opportunity for people who just want to play the stories, maps, explore and not have to be looking over their shoulder all the time.

[@lovewingsmc]

skill issue @@Sumguyinavan_

[@FreakFrederick]

​@@lovewingsmcVery constructive

[@lovewingsmc]

skill issue@@FreakFrederick

[@killercodyj658]

Honestly as of right now the only thing i can complain about is not being able to get our own ship our use an already bought ship in safer seas. It doesnt make much sense to me. I do hope that rare sees how many people like PVE and allow for more to be done in PVE while also keeping High seas rewarding. i think everyone should be able to experience the entirety of the game with and without PVP. I could never get into SoT before PVE because playing solo was nearly impossible. Now i can actually see why people like the game. its just too bad i cant experience all of it as a solo player because some of its locked behind PVP.

[@irmiwolf]

They dont allow captained ships so you cant grind milestones safely.

[@clockwork3494]

​@@irmiwolfWhile I do understand that, the solution seems rather simple, why not just cap the captaincy milestones the same way company reputation is already capped at 40 in Safer Seas? That way people are able to bring in captained ships to SS but can't freely grind every level, that seems like a much better solution than outright locking captaincy for Higher Seas use only.

[@RavenWitch94]

As someone who does enjoy the game, and has adapted the mindset of “if I sink I sink” I am happy to see that rare has listened to the community in making something that’s more new player friendly for those starting out as the maiden voyage is alright with giving you the short basics of the game but kind of just throws players to the wolves. I’m also happy that it’ll allow me to go through the tall tales and not have to be looking out for ships just trying to sink me for the fun of it when they get nothing out of it

[@Clown_the_Clown]

That's a good mindset to have if you aren't setting out to do anything. Personally that doesn't work for me, getting sunk after a long voyage is just crushing.

[@jjrulez1596]

@@Clown_the_Clown ima be honest, the way i've been enjoying pvp (granted i am a pvp player, so take this as you choose), but its more about the fight, sure if you have a bunch of loot i'll fight, but if you don't have much loot (~50k+, or emissary grade 3+), I roll on a "don't mess with me, i won't mess with you... much" (gotta do some trolling tho XD)

[@AdmiralHellShot]

Good luck, What he didnt explain was if your gold transfers between high and safer to grind the hard sets and cosmetics people want.

[@Justin-bc3qr]

​@@AdmiralHellShotyour currencies stay with your Pirate and aren't server based

[@Playprogamers]

Waiting 6 years to add an update a majority of the community were already asking for, isn't listening.

[@horsesteam9173]

Was playing the regular high seas mode and nobody was online (great for me, a solo slooper who sucks at PvP). Was basically playing safer seas with 100% gold :D

[@007MrMachete]

That has happened to me as well. Either way I did all my grind in the Roar all of it. And I can safely say I am an expert in the Roar. I been a pirate legend for over 3 years now. So having those rare solo servers back in the day was calming and felt nice.

[@excelsus9525]

The server I was in a few days ago was so dead I was able to solo a skull of siren song and only ever saw one crew in t&e distance

[@jonathanbaker4361]

It always works like that til it doesn't.

[@arliesilver2499]

The restrictions on safer seas really just feels like Rare is being spiteful to those that don't want to play the game the way they want you to.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Absolutely. They can't fathom that some people just don't want to deal with PvP.

[@jjrulez1596]

tbf its marketed as pvpve, you don't go into another game which advertises that and complain that you're "forced" into pvp, its a part of the game. you lose the risk, you lose most of the reward.

[@Halosrighthand]

​@@jjrulez1596 tbf despite being marketed that way, they constantly add things that are instanced PvE, like Monkey Island and Pirates of the Caribbean; so that point is completely moot. They clearly have no issue giving you things to do privately so long as there is no reward, which is the point OP made.

[@macewindow149]

They're not being "spiteful" they're keeping to how the game is. It's a PvEvP game, you knew that when you got it, so you can't really complain

[@Juks125]

the game is called sea of thieves

[@major_awesome7253]

I understand not having player ships but I wish we could at least use the captaincy customization that you already have unlocked. I want my trinkets :(

[@kiro-fo9qg]

I will admit if you already unlocked ship trinkets, it's kinda an odd design choice to not allow them to transfer over.

[@jjrulez1596]

@@kiro-fo9qg its not so much they don't transfer over, more that you can't sail a captained ship, which in turn means you can't use them, which im not the HUGEST fan of, but also not the end of the world

[@kiro-fo9qg]

@jjrulez1596 Personally, I dont use Safer Seas so it won't effect me. But I do know alot of people who grinded out all the trinkets who hate PvP so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@lareine9014]

I just wish we could sell to Sovereigns. I've gotten too used to just harpoon everything up and sell! Sweet damn selling on Safer Seas is a chore. And for friggin' 30% gold.

[@Tee_B]

​@@lareine9014Good. Punishment for being a loser.

[@cptmcquacken]

It's about time. I'm a day one player...I've been a legend for a good long while and I mostly did it solo. This will surely bring people back...shoot....it will bring my friends back. The 30 percent thing I feel is just to make High seas players climb down from the edge of the bridge, they are very dramatic. I feel that percentage is a little harsh though considering all the other restrictions and inclusions. But, when you think about it, if you are the type that usually plays very conservatively and only grabs a couple pieces of treasure at a time just so you creep some progress and gold out a little at a time, that 30 percent is actually a huge number now that you can just play the game and not lose it all. 30 percent wont be that bad when you are able to fill every inch of your ship with treasure. This is usually where PvP players get angry and say "Thats why its wrong, theres no risk blah blah blah." but the thing is the odds have always been heavily in favor of large crews that play for PvP reasons. Your average player would be lucky to turn in 30 percent in the vanilla servers, now its just guaranteed. Same thing without the depression.

[@rileymorris5106]

Well said

[@MilesO-t7d]

30% is fair for guaranteed income.

[@ohhimark7298]

excellent take. this is also why my group very rarely sails galleon. and when we do, we almost exclusively meme. being on a sloop fighting a less experienced gally crew is just way more fun and unpredictable than fighting a swabbie sloop on a gally.

[@cptmcquacken]

@@MilesO-t7d I'm not saying it's not, necessarily. But I feel a couple of things are just a little much to subtract, be nice to till have captaincy. But, beggars cant be choosers, its nice to have to option.

[@StudlyFudd13]

@@cptmcquacken Maybe it will come. I would love to sail my ship there, but for now I am content having a peaceful option when I wanna fish and vibe on the waters.

[@rickkcir2151]

The main thing I don’t understand is why we can’t use captaincy? Just seems like an odd restriction.

[@thehauntedpotato6125]

Well captaincy is mainly for the sovereigns and the sovereigns increase the speed at which you can sell. If their goal is to slow the rate at which you earn gold it kinda makes sense

[@johnnyappleswope1821]

I don't there should be a trade off for wanting safer seas, the game itself is meant to be chaotic with the pvp. Doing all of this would just break the game. I get not like getting sunk but like abandoning the actual pirate mentality is a bit extreme to me. It's should crushing sometimes but I think this pretty fair. It would be really cheap to have the captaincy, sovereign, and emissaries

[@bartwilliams4478]

Lasted 5 minutes in safer seas, just far to chill, loot rewards poor, and the fact I couldn't bring my ship in, was final straw, I would be okay if my ship was limited to just coming in with current setup and no log progression,

[@Eamil]

@@thehauntedpotato6125 As far as I care captaincy is "the way you get to have a permanent ship customization." If there are gameplay considerations that make it unsuitable for safer seas, maybe those should be decoupled from captaincy.

[@Steampunkifyable]

​@Eamil my group of friends are of the same idea. We're all willing g to buy our ships just to decorate them. Silly Rare doesn't see this.

[@SamTheNerd1]

Im someone who has playes this game at least 95% of the time alone since launch! Then when i hears they was finally releasing a PVE mode i was so excited! No longer would i have too worry about be ambushed by gallons all the time! Then when i saw all the restrictions in safer seas it was just massive disappointment! The game has been out for over 6 years now! Just let people play on there own without any restrictions it would help bring some many people back too the game who was punished like myself for playing on there own! Dont know why rare thought this was a good idea!

[@tuollaf-qd7wn]

😊

[@nerddotcom5817]

If you thought you were getting attacked alot before, just try High Seas now after Safer Seas was added. Basically every boat will be considered having a "Beeline for me because I want PvP" sign on them with the new toxic spam being "lol, go back to Safer Seas."

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Yup. Unfortunately so. Rare should have just made PvP toggleable.

[@nerddotcom5817]

@@Clown_the_Clown We can only hope their numbers show more in Safer Seas than High Seas. If even only to point and laugh. Bethesda learned it with Fallout 76. Turns out, majority of players did NOT want to roleplay as Raiders, choosing to roleplay BoS/NCR/Lone Wanderers in their PvPvE game.

[@draxxzakuto5735]

@nerddotcom5817 I wouldn't count on high numbers. Me and my friends have been talking about coming back for safer seas for ages but none of them are willing to play this nerfed version. We work for a living and might get to play together a couple times a week. We don't want to spend that time running from A-holes who get kicks out of running other people's fun and it would take us years to level people on safer seas. They decided they would just play something more rewarding. I wish I could get back all the money I spent on cosmetics because I'm definitely not going to play without them or my custom ship.

[@nerddotcom5817]

@@draxxzakuto5735 There was a queue to login in on launch, so it started fairly popular. I feel ya on the reduction in rewards. No emissary? Sure. But 30%, bruh, most everything in the shops nears a million in price! You still get to use ship cosmetics but no captaincy/guild progression is just assinine of them.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

@@nerddotcom5817 Yeah, here's hoping that Rare sees that most people don't want to deal with hardcore PvPers.

[@BobaBushido]

Only thing i dont like is we cant use our custom ships in safe seas? Is that rares way of giving its PvE players the finger bc we all know theyre against no PvP

[@irmiwolf]

its to not allow people to grind out additional ship slots through the milestones.

[@dr.3998]

​@@irmiwolfallow the customized ships, disable milestone progress.

[@PLYTATN]

​@@dr.3998Genius! Why wouldn't a multi billion dollars company think of this? Half of these restrictions to Safer Seas are dumb as hell too.

[@buckmudd8006]

Yes. It is too restrictive and half-baked at best. They won't listen to the OGs who need new content and a pvp system that actually engages players, they won't listen to the silent majority that WANTS full pve access. They sure will sell you some cosmetics, though!

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Aye. They prefer to listen to the vocal minority of hardcore PvPers. I want prosperity for both PvE and PvPers, not for either to be ignored. The only group of people who should be ignored are the sweaty PvPers who think everyone should be forced to PvP.

[@kiro-fo9qg]

​​@@Clown_the_Clown If the game had no PvP, the game would get stale fast. It's like yin n yang, you can't have perfect balance without the other. The game's core gameplay loop has always been about collecting loot so you can protect it from other players.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

@@kiro-fo9qg I'm not advocating for no PvP, I am saying we should have PvE and PvPvE servers. That way people would be free to choose.

[@kiro-fo9qg]

@@Clown_the_Clown Problem with that is the game's numbers are dwindling because of lack of content. If they were to permanently split the playerbase in its current state, that would kill the game.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

​@@kiro-fo9qgIt's a combination of a lack of content, and Rare refusing to do anything about the large amount of people who just want to play the game in peace. Splitting the playerbase in two would not effect anything other than disallowing PvPers from ruining the experience for those who want nothing to do with PvP.

[@brycevo]

You get 30% of the content and 30% of the gold. This is an okay demo, but I was looking for a PvE server where we just don't have to worry about PvP

[@sir_cabbage1170]

I think this is really just meant for newer players to be able to experience SoT without fear of being attacked so they can learn how to do things on their own.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

The PvP sweats will throw a fit of they can't target inexperienced crews for easy profit. We've seen with Arena that PvP isn't really popular in SoT, people only play Hourglass for the curses.

[@Max-prime1212]

@@Clown_the_Clownwell it's hard when 90% of crews are inexperienced

[@Clown_the_Clown]

​@@Max-prime1212So why do you care if they play in a PvE server?

[@Max-prime1212]

@@Clown_the_Clown because then only 10% of the population is left.

[@ChitChat]

Imagine catering to less than 10% of potential players by maintaining integrity of the PVP lol. It's fine though. My wife and I just want to enjoy the story and the atmosphere.

[@brytoncox]

They lost out on quite a few players that refuse to do pvp, at least we got PlayStation players to increase player count

[@Wroth_Knight]

People arguing "its a pvpve game stop complaining" really cannot wrap their head around the idea people who work 40 hours a week cant afford to play for 3 hours for no reason. Conan exiles, ark, etc pretty much all survival games have both with no problems what so ever so i dont understand the problem with having both and its not affecting anyone other than bringing casual players into the game

[@ceeofdeez]

It’s a community of gatekeepers and that includes Rare themselves. The shrouded ghost spawn rate is the perfect example. BoxyFresh and Beard two of the most watched SoT streamers have over 20,000 hours combined and zero shrouded ghosts. If that doesn’t make it obvious that Rare loves to gatekeep content then I don’t know what will.

[@JulesVanBelle]

Keep crying

[@deepseek1821]

​​@@ceeofdeezThe rarity of shrouded ghost is what's make it interesting tho, feels more pirate to have some ridiculously rare or hard things to get

[@cyq3]

Absolute facts. You said it.

[@arbalest327]

​@@JulesVanBellelets see if you will sing the same tune once the game dies of that same attitude LMAO

[@MrLegendaryXP]

Finally!!! I can be alone a fish without worry!!! I hate it when I'm minding my own business fishing and some random player come bother me, its like dude I'm just here to sail and fish!

[@gbc9228]

Ya bro idk why people attack fishermen every time I see them I leave them alone

[@RifRafJonesy]

So many content creators saying SS was the devil himself and would kill the game. On day one, I tried to long in only to see a queue to get a server. I want to do the tall tales without interference. Is that so bad? I think SS is long over due and not going away.

[@badasscrusader]

Hint the content creators are mainly pvpers

[@RifRafJonesy]

@@badasscrusader LOL truth. I'm sur eI'll play PvP, but I'm loving PvE to just chill.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

​@@badasscrusader I like Phuzzy though, he just kinda chills in the game. Low-key want a "headhunter" organisation that gives rewards for sinking the most PvP active ships. And there's no allies, so PvP between these headhunters still works

[@Slick10836]

This reminds me of the time when SWTOR was announced F2P. You can play the game for free, but oh yeah, you won't have access to about 60% of the game's content.

[@Slick10836]

@@largebig79 Oh, don't get me wrong. Being a fan of KOTOR, I mainly played SWTOR for the story arcs. But the grind in F2P man. It killed me. I couldn't finish it. I want to give it another shot though, some day. Speaking of which, do you know if that graphics overhaul update is still happening?

[@KellingtonDorkswafer]

@@Slick10836 iirc they're rolling out the graphics updates slowly but surely. It's a little easier to play as a f2p now as well, compared to a few years ago, but it's still full of annoyances. They raised the credit cap for f2p players at least! Buttt then people simply started charging more for things on the GTN.

[@qsol0]

I like it. Kind of like a freeplay mode where you can practice your mechanics. Took a while to get in though.

[@KrodaStagg]

I love safer seas because I can just picture a reaper tryhard trembling in rage, pulling their hair out, and pissing their pants knowing that I am having fun with my friends and they cant do a damn thing about it.

[@jimbo8635]

😂

[@JakobeOG]

Enjoy your lesser loot and xp

[@ivy67767]

im sure they will! definitely sounds a lot healthier than caring about the hobbies of people you're never gonna meet and how high their arbitrary video game numbers are. weirdo

[@lynic-0091]

@@JakobeOG I definitely will. Glad I can avoid attention seekers like you.

[@triplee4588]

My brother in Christ the “tryhard reaper” does not know you exist if you play safer seas 🤣

[@srgantmoomooo]

this update actually almost brought me back to the game, after reading the reviews and learning what the update actually consists of. yea, nevermind.

[@ibigfire]

Pretty much this. Except me and my friends haven't bought the game yet in the first place, but it was on our radar since we could tell if they made a real PvE server out of it we could have some fun with it. But this kinda half-effort where it feels like they still hate PvE and the only point of it is to entice people to what they still view as the real mode, PvP, isn't effective in our books. By restricting it all and punishing folks that like PvE for just sticking to the mode we prefer ain't it, all it does is keep us aware of the fact that they still don't want us as players or buyers.

[@johnnyappleswope1821]

@ibigfire good, don't play the game. The rest of us don't want you all ruining the game

[@badasscrusader]

​@@johnnyappleswope1821cool have fun with the dying game then lol

[@shiny2421]

@@johnnyappleswope1821 Honestly I'd quite like to see them come back. The SoT community is genuinely trash and makes those racial slur spewing subhumans in the Rainbow Six Siege community look good. The reason SoT is dying is because of you and people like you who refuse to accept the truth of the matter, that the "PVP Community" is a vocal minority. Which tends to be so loud and based on ruining other people's time in the game by being toxic pricks, that you've killed a game you claim to love.

[@Stephen...]

@@johnnyappleswope1821 I bet a playerbase with that mentality will be great for Rare making money. A bunch of anti-social people has got to make for a stable niche of high spenders who will definitely not cannibalize themselves with in-fighting. Got to be such an excellent business move to empower folk such as yourself to turn away new and returning customers. Hope it goes well for Microsoft... /s

[@JohnWilliams-cr2sz]

I am really happy about Safer Seas. I have a couple of friends I have been trying to convince to play SoT with me but are to stressed about the always on PVP so hopefully I can ease them in with Safer Seas and get them more comfortable with the game so they will feel confidant playing on High Seas.

[@TinselTown93]

have fun playing 4x longer to get 100k(about 1 hour on normal servers). even if i get sunk 2-3 times ill still be more efficient.

[@buoytuoy]

Good for you! 🙄@@TinselTown93

[@JohnWilliams-cr2sz]

@@TinselTown93We will have fun, thank you.

[@forexed8948]

I wanted the "Safer Seas" mode when I was playing through it, but here's the thing, sometimes paranoia can help you succeed on Sea Of Thieves.

[@JohnWilliams-cr2sz]

@@forexed8948 For some people, yes. But others not so much. Having a game mode that let's me ease my friends into the game so they will be more confident/comfortable in the full game mode is fantastic in my opinion.

[@S3R3NTY]

Seems like a bandaid to combat the dwindling playerbase. RARE just has to face the reality that the majority of players are PVE focused. When you have bills to pay its better to go with what puts money in your pocket.

[@phoenixfire8226]

i think at this point it's obvious they're just incompetent, or not very bright, or both. also this "pve mode" is overflowing with spite and vitriol. you can tell they absolutely despise their would-be pve playerbase.

[@Mouwcat]

Finally a gamemode i will want to play with out randoms being toxic

[@khillaelk5367]

toxicity? you mean getting sunk because you suck at the game?

[@marktheprussian]

@@khillaelk5367 ok edgelord, let bro enjoy the game

[@khillaelk5367]

@@marktheprussian ok, but let other people enjoy the game by sinking people, your point makes no sense

[@russellcontreras394]

​@khillaelk5367 than continue playing the pvp servers, or do you mean, you don't want to actually fight and you want to grief new players and people that don't want to fight?

[@michaelhoward6919]

@@khillaelk5367 absolute trash take.You're just mad you can't bully new players anymore

[@jonjon7948]

I think its pretty well balanced, plus its already worked for me. I had a friend come back and give SOT another try. I taught them the basics and by the end of our session he asked how he can earn more gold than the little amount we were receiving and I told him we'll play in the high seas next time! I plan on actually trying to teach him pvp, and about emissaries.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Nah. 30% progression takes a grind that's already awful, and makes it even worse.

[@mountainrogue3448]

@@Clown_the_Clown No full risk. No full rewards

[@celestialnovas3790]

Make sure to remind him how toxic the full game is.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

​@@mountainrogue3448 Will you keep saying that when players keep leaving?

[@ZEROOblivious]

@@Clown_the_Clown Get good and play the high seas. Yall lucky its only 30%. I think 50% is a better option.

[@darby2314]

I feel the restrictions are fine, but will likely he loosened as time goes on. I battled my way up to pirate legend years ago, and earned most of the accommodations and cosmetics. I had to finally stop playing the game due to endless battles, griefing, and players with cannon aiming mods. I got to a point that I just wanted to sail around and have fun with my newbie friends on the high seas, without constantly fighting hour long battles over 3k worth of treasure. Now I can actually do that, sail the sea, goof off dancing on active volcanoes, and leisurely complete their tall tales, without worrying some annoying people are going to come over and start shooting at us, bullhorning about fornicating with my mom.

[@Pikmaniak]

The only changes I think need to be made to Safer Seas are: 1. Buff gold gain to 50%, or keep 30% but allow emissaries. 2. Allow our captained ships, but lock progression. Other than these two things, I think Safer Seas is a fantastic addition and I can't wait to play again without the constant threat of pvp players looking to ruin my experience.

[@handemorebattlelands4009]

just delete it and let noobs get the real experience

[@alwinwinter1645]

​@@handemorebattlelands4009lmao. People still mad at safer seas being added just don't want to admit that they themselves suck at PvP and need noobs so they can sink anyone

[@handemorebattlelands4009]

@@alwinwinter1645 I dont need noobs. I, however, enjoy the free hourglass exp earned for tricking a swabbie into voting his hourglass and instantly sinking them.

[@handemorebattlelands4009]

pretty funny as well lmao poor noobs go "why?" lmao

[@i_hate_all_of_you8770]

Imo the gold gain could go to 100%. The only thing you can spend money on is cosmetic stuff, so it's not like you're going to get any form of advantage

[@EternalFireseal]

Something I need to point is that the payout of Safer Seas isn't 30%, it's actually around 12% due to the lack of emissary flags. A lot of players are going to see the grind and just decide the game isn't worth it, even with "real" money being available in the High Seas. Remember, the Devil's Roar pays out _double,_ and most players hate sailing there. How much worse are people going to feel about something that pays out _eight times_ more, but veteran players still want out of? You can shout "risk/reward" all you like, but if players don't find the experience satisfying, what's the point?

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Well put. The base server is already a slog if you aren't doing massive events, Safer Seas just isn't worth it.

[@ZombieCartmanYT]

I bet when they see how many people are wanting to play alone they will buff the payouts

[@Clown_the_Clown]

@@ZombieCartmanYT hopefully

[@macewindow149]

​@@Clown_the_Clownhopefully not

[@hecher007]

​@ZombieCartmanYT sorry for late response but I just think they'll make PVP people and PVE people happier if they make both of them the same, but make progresssion in factions/cosmetics separate whether you're on safer seas or normal

[@SaltyMcBoatFace]

the players : we just want a non pvp version of the game SoT devs : best we can do is 20%

[@Telesto_Timelost]

So you want a pirate game without piracy?

[@phoenixfire8226]

@@Telesto_Timelost pirates don't attack pirates. you wouldn't last a day if you did. learn some history, kid.

[@Telesto_Timelost]

@@phoenixfire8226 pve’ers aren’t pirates

[@phoenixfire8226]

@@Telesto_Timelost so you're uneducated AND illiterate, i guess i shouldn't expect more from an obvious simpleton

[@Boi5219]

@@Telesto_TimelostSea of Thieves’ pirate code is a sham, it’s nowhere near an actual pirate code pirates talked things out they didn’t just shoot at the first sign of potential trouble.

[@theocan]

I thought they said Sea of Thieves is one of the friendliest communities around but damn there are some vicious people in the comments. People don't want to PVP, that's honestly a fair mindset to have. That and people don't want to go for Skull and Bones for the the pirate PvE as well.

[@calmaxys3114]

Fact of the matter is - people don't want to go to SaB for the pirate PvE because the PvE in Sea of Thieves is unique. The SoT community isn't really friendly - there seems to be a split between people who are just there to have fun and the same kind of toxic people who enter GTA lobbies exclusively to ruin everyone else's day, with a skew towards the latter. I love SoT's PvE but hate the PvP, and wish I could treat the game as a pseudo singleplayer or PvE experience - funnily enough, like GTA private lobbies!

[@theocan]

@@calmaxys3114 Yeah, have to agree with you. Have to quickly mention actually that since my last comment, I wound up having a player chase me for a good two hours. He even anchored his ship behind a rock that was a good island away, swam for about 20 minutes while I was doing some PvE and just sat there and waited. I had like one skull and he knew this. He was doing all this just to fuck with me and make my experience that much worse. Normally I'm pretty passive with the high seas mode, but this has changed my mind, I absolutely despise having to play with other people. A lot of toxic players just enjoy making other people miserable, for no incentive other than ruining the experience, and that sucks. And despite apparently having one of the "friendliest communities around", I've found Sea of Thieves to be one of the worst, it's just rife with people like this. Stick to Safer Seas people, the game has been out long enough that these players don't need to do this for gold, they want to do this to be spiteful.

[@omegawolfbrony]

Dude, I suck at PvP. I have a tendency to choke before sealing the deal. This is a blessing to me even if I can't do everything.

[@mvusmc1]

I just want to play and relax. I don’t wanna worry about some dude taking my loot. The game can be truly relaxing now. If I wanna take on the high seas and become a captain I’ll do that with friends. It’s a good balance I think.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

I just hope we see Safe Seas get an improvement to progression and Hourglass. Hourglass killed my enjoyment of this game. They took the two most requested curses and locked them behind a long, grindy, PvP sweatfest.

[@kiro-fo9qg]

Well I still hope to see you comfortable with the High Seas one day friend 👍

[@gamilith]

@@Clown_the_Clown how dare they make the best cosmetics... hard to get?

[@Clown_the_Clown]

@@gamilith There is an important distinction between being difficult to get, and being insulting to your player's time. My main issue with Hourglass is that it's poorly designed and PvP exclusive. There's no XP gained for damaging enemy ships, repairing your own, bucketing, killing enemy players, ect, you only get XP for completing the match, and the amount you get if you lose is pitiful.

[@gamilith]

@@Clown_the_Clown just wait until you hear about arena

[@juzzi137]

If you ask me, they absolutely should bring the full version to the safer seas.

[@varietywiarrior]

Pressure them until they do. They finally caved on giving us PvE in the first place, only a matter of time before we get the real experience of private servers.

[@b_bogg]

Play Minecraft

[@tgs7515]

@@b_boggSweat more.

[@LemonDani]

​@@b_boggnah, im not gonna sail around on my little oak boat

[@Ihateseaofteves]

@@tgs7515beg more

[@W3TIC3]

I do feel it's too restrictive.. only because anyone playing in it is ALREADY taking a 70% hit to gold and reputation. I for one, would just like a place where I can go farm up all those damn ancient kegs via FoTD. Even if they had a 0x rep/gold modifier for Athena I'd still be down. On high seas nobody let's those damn kegs leave the loot room.

[@vivekjk6729]

yea, should have let you do athena voyages as lvling up athena is slow enough as it is.

[@SoTStuff]

FoFs are less contested now go do one.

[@shxdeesot]

fotd and fofs were made for the purpose of attracting pvp and thats why the loot from them is what it is their entire concept was thought up to get a lot of players in the server to come to the same spot to fight over great amounts of loot putting these in safer seas would just make no sense since these are NOT supposed to be pve servers it's an extended tutorial/ safe place to play story mode and fish the whole point of safer seas is to ease new players into the main game which is high seas which is the goal of every tutorial mode in every single game ever

[@justinschnoor9459]

I was really hoping for the update to just mean private servers without a reduction to what was offered in the main game. Some of the most toxic people I've ever met online were in Sea of Thieves, and I've played in GTA Online's public servers.

[@user-vs3il1ew6q]

Honestly I don't mind pvp but people that just want to grief players kinda ruins the fun I think a unrestricted safer seas would actually be great go the game invite your friends have multiple ships and have fun then the main sea you could make it we're it's pvp oriented would really ruin all the times you find friends but it's what the people want even though the we already had arena for pvp and and died because there wasn't enough people on it

[@shxdeesot]

the reason arena died wasnt because there werent enough people on it your logic is flawed arena died because the gamemode was extremely buggy was never updated and had terrible mechanics as a pvp gamemode RESULTING in no one playing it anymore therefore it being dead a gamemode cant die because no one plays it a gamemode dying is the result of no one playing it because of how flawed it is

[@Imagigamr4295]

I think safer seas is a great addition. I’ve played too much of the game to get any benefit from safer seas so I’ll be staying on high seas. I’ll still probably drop in once or twice to maybe play a tall tale or to do some really stupid shit with my friends 😂

[@StudlyFudd13]

Yep. As someone who has well over 1k hours into the game I don't have too much to really work on. But all of those passive commendations that I didn't work on cause I just wanted to fight people, I can work on those now! Get all of the stupid merchant stuff done, animal crates, finish up the rare fish that I need, try....TRY to get the shrouded to spawn....then cry in a corner when he never comes, take my roommates through the tall tales and other stuff since they are new etc etc etc. I love what they did.

[@truekurayami]

@@StudlyFudd13 same situation, I am loving safer seas to clean up islehoppers. I just wish we still had the tomes available for more possible doubloons still even if they spawned of 1 tome from each set so you couldn't do the full set without going high seas

[@StudlyFudd13]

@@truekurayami I honestly don't really see why the locked the books? I have never seen them as a pvp item. No one wants them besides for achievements. It feels like an odd choice, but it's not a big deal, just a head scratcher for me.

[@truekurayami]

@@StudlyFudd13 Accomodations, one curse, and doubloons are the only things they provide, and the only reason I want them still in safer seas is because you can sell them for doubloons. and ya it doesn't make sense for them to be removed completely since you only get them from ashen chests which still are in safer seas and sell for doubloons as well.

[@johnnyappleswope1821]

@@truekurayami maybe they just aren't as common? It could also be an unexpected glitch from the other restrictions

[@rainbowfloppa]

I feel as though doing tall tales in the higher seas feels better since having the loaming threat of other crews near by gives the feeling like being part of the lore, though safer seas seems like a step up from the maiden voyage which is good

[@Sclooshy]

Man I just wanted to host a private server with friends so we can fight eachother

[@WolfOfItaly]

Honestly don't see why everything, except for what needs another crew to complete, is not available in SS. Your already 70% less gains. Whole thing should've been available. There are solo players out there who hate the PvP aspect and want to quest and be legend. So let them.

[@sultanofsauce9816]

It’s a transaction between the developers and new/inexperienced/bad players. You can still play the game, but in exchange for excluding yourself from half of the point of the game, the same amount of opportunities will be removed. Idk why so many people expect that a game designed almost entirely around the idea that PvP is not only prevalent, but encouraged, should pander to people that don’t want to play the game how it’s intended to be played. Not all games are made for everyone. Some people are bad at the game, some people don’t interact with all the aspects of the game nor do they want to. Which is fine. But if they don’t want to play the game as it was meant to be played, they shouldn’t get the benefits that correspond with that playstyle. Example: The devs removed the ability to red-sea your loot for a reason.

[@JulesVanBelle]

PvP is a part of the game and of being a pirate, if safer seas had everything the main game would be useless and the freedom of doing what you want(pirate) would be gone but you clearly don’t know how games work

[@rx7fd9782]

I juat hope Rare knows this wont be enough due to the restrictions. People will be demanding they be lifted or eased for the rest of the game's lifespan. And you know what? They have a point. One day Safer Seas will be the only way to play and people will wish they could see their captained ship sitting on the dock one last time.

[@filipemiguel08]

50% for both rep and gold, ability to emissary ships, use your guild ships and not have a level cap is better than the awful already restrictions safer seas as and nobody in their sons, daughters and elderly gonna accept this stupid restrictions. LIKE WHY IS THIS EVEN A THING COME ON RARE!

[@LobsterLadyyyy]

Why would safer seas be the only way to play?

[@nerddotcom5817]

​@@LobsterLadyyyy Servers get shutdown eventually.

[@apps9129]

@@nerddotcom5817when that happens we’re all screwed. Safer seas are still Microsoft’s servers I believe, and all the player data will be lost as well unless they make some big changes before that happens.

[@Countdown3337]

Safer Seas is not an offline mode. When the main servers go down, so will safer seas. If/when the day comes that they shut the game down, I hope they make it so you can play offline or with peer-to-peer hosting, but as of now, when the servers shut down, everyone is screwed.

[@Mr_TXG]

I like the balance rare has done even though I won’t be playing safer seas I’m glad to see it’s built with new players in mind and not for mindless pve grinding

[@jawless7616]

Or mindless PVP ganking

[@Clown_the_Clown]

The restrictions shouldn't be there. If people don't want to play the regular mode, that's bad design of the main mode. People shouldn't be forced into PvP.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

@OnTheSeaOfMemes The name of the game doesn't change the fact that having hours worth of work ruined by some PvP sweatlord nolifer isn't enjoyable or fun.

[@azaritox2910]

​@@Clown_the_ClownIt is a pirate online pvpve game, and safer seas are for new players and ppl who don't care about progression. Don't try to make it out any other way

[@Clown_the_Clown]

@OnTheSeaOfMemes That's fine, if you enjoy PvP, great! I'm just saying that people should have a choice, and shouldn't be punished for choosing one or the other. PvPers should be able to PvP, and PvErs should be able to grind and progress. Neither should really be forced to do either.

[@theflyingdutchman1301]

Havent played this game for years, did it alot with a friend who sadly died of cancer since its never been the same, either felt like cheating on him the "Oh remember" moments turned me outright depressed as hell. And those years of teamwork you build between eachother never felt the same with randoms or other people.

[@clockwork3494]

I commend Rare for adding this gamemode in the first place, much to the dismay of the tryhard PVP players who will sink a freshly spawned ship with no loot "BecAuSe iT'S a PiRaTe GamE aBouT sTeaLinG!" Not only does it give those who just want to relax with a Tall Tale or grind a majority of trading company rep without issue the ability to do so, it also gives new players a somewhat "easy" mode to play and use to learn to the game without being sunk and killed upon immediately spawning in an outpost. (Which happened to me on my first day, I was camped constantly and hunted down despite the fact it was pretty obvious I was new to the game, which almost made me quit and refund it.) That said, there are some things I take issue with and others that don't make sense at all to me. While I'm greatful this gamemode exists, many of the restrictions feel unnecessary and like a massive kick to the teeth for PVE players who just want to enjoy the game without being hunted by that one DA sails sloop while on a Tall Tale. The big thing I really don't get though is why you're not allowed to bring in purchased ships. If Rare is worried about people grinding ship levels without the risk of Higher Seas, why not do something similar to the company rep cap? Since they've already capped most of the trading companies rep at 40 (some all together) on Safer Seas I don't think it'd be that difficult to do the same for ship levels, so why not cap ship prestige/level progress on SS and allow players to bring in their purchased ships? If not that then at the very least they could just allow ship customization presets on Safer Seas.

[@mikehunt9884]

its really good if you're trying to get rewards, like for example, if you get all the commendations for all of the older tall tales you can get the gold curse, stuff like that. Also if you're a new player its fun to go on and practice on those skeleton sloops. Sinking those can be a lot of fun, and get you a little bit of gold, and resources to fill your boxes. Maybe it will get more ppl into SoT, gives casuals a way to enjoy the game and get some of the skills needed to hop on the open seas.

[@ImRivendill]

In the last couple of months I've usually been playing with friends (whenever I have the time). I prefer to play with friends nowadays and lost the will to be solo slooping because of it, I just am not able to defend myself well enough. I do like PvP(vE) but only with a brig or gally crew as it tends to be more chill and less "survival". Safer seas might be a fun addition for my solo slooping adventures again to just have a chill way of playing the game without having to worry about losing my loot, even if it's at a 30% selling rate.

[@torvus249]

I do wish we could play with friend crews in Safer Seas. Even removing alliances, it would go a long way in allowing players to practice PvP in a relatively stress-free environment.

[@johnnyappleswope1821]

That doesn't make any sense, it would just be the same thing in its current state just the difficulty of getting friend crews

[@xA0SAA]

insider is a nice way to get pvp practice in

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

There used to be a thing like that: it was called the Arena and it was pretty much abandoned by the so called "pvpers"

[@kabob0077]

It'd be funny if most of the player count is actually on the Safer Seas and the PVP servers are mostly barren. I may just have to reinstall SoT to actually do stuff on the Safer Seas.

[@russko118]

not with te cap on reputtion as it is, it's good for beginners and tall tales, but for world events and legend stuff you have to go to the highers seas. and for me a sea without any other people loses that spice that made the game survive until now

[@kabob0077]

@@russko118 My experience is getting killed for no reason with nothing at all on board or getting sunk after an hour or two of grinding, I hate the PVP experience in SoT because it makes the PVE experience all risk and mostly no reward because the dedicated PVP players end up with all the stuff. I want to have fun with my friends, no tget called the F or N slurs by some tryhard who is a complete no-life on the game. Also, the excuse of "it's a Pirate game" is absolutely stupid because guess what Pirates didn't do IRL? That's right, they didn't go out looking for fights with _other_ pirates, they went after the merchantmen of countries like Spain, France, or the British Empire. You know what SoT mainly consists of? Pirates fighting pirates, I say that disqualifies it from being a pirate game. You know what has better PVP than SOT? Fallout 76 because I can just _ignore_ the person picking a fight because until I fight back they're dealing only scratch damage. The only time I have had fun with the PVP in this game was when it was in the dedicated PVP mode, every other time it made me want to quit the game because I spent hours with my friends getting stuff and we lose it all. What's the point of doing the PVE when you die because the PVP players have to ruin everything for people who just want to have fun doing the PVE? All Rare needs to do is make the PVP _completely optional and with no drawbacks to punish those of us who just want to have a good time_ and then people wouldn't quit the game because of their experience getting ruined.

[@russko118]

@@kabob0077 sure if you like to be capped at 40. or just don't stack.

[@phoenixfire8226]

@@kabob0077 yup i'm gay and black and all i hear is "Fa**** N*****" shouted over and over it takes me back to child abuse days and puts me in a place of great anxiety being verbally attacked in this game. i wonder if i could sue rare for allowing these slurs in their voice chat? hell since they are obviously not moderating it, there could even be terrorists using their voice chat to communicate!

[@xA0SAA]

⁠@@kabob0077If you have loot and no intention to pvp, you fit into the same category as those spanish merchants. The game was made with the intention of pvp, and without risk, why should you be given the reward?

[@scubasteve2189]

The same people who complain about this mode are the same people who specifically target and sink newbie players just for laughs. 🙄 They are killing the future of their own player community every day, and they don’t even think about it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Wheels36H3WM]

Sea of Sociopaths

[@SelflessHero]

Its almost like they finally realized that their player base was leaving.

[@MrJaxManiac]

Ngl a game mode where is pve with no restrictions so has a repercussion they add an increase in the spawn rate of ghost and Skelly ships

[@jamesbcfc37828]

Idk why they cant just let people do what they want to game is impossible to have a upper hand via pay to win or grinding. Everything should be available in safer seas, i want to just chill and play for an hour or 2 doing stuff ive played the game since day 1 i really cba to have a sweaty crew hop on me every 10mins

[@draxxzakuto5735]

I'm right they with ya. SoT is one of our favorite game designs but over time everyone got tired of dealing with people and Uninstalled. They all said they would come back for safer seas until they heard about it being nerfed. None of them will play still. I've spent at least a couple hundred dollars on the game but now I'm also Uninstalling. They're focused on serving people who enjoy hurassing other people that we would NEVER want to play anything with. They had the option to bring in a bunch of players that would NEVER play high seas anyway and instead they screw over the players who just want to play the game. Good luck with that RARE.

[@jamesbcfc37828]

@@draxxzakuto5735 same as every other company like ea tbh they only cater for new (bots) players and die hard sweats that play the game like their actual life depends on it

[@shxdeesot]

the whole point is that it's not worth it to play safer seas long term it's supposed to be a transitional gamemode/extended tutorial to ease people into the actual game they didn't make this mode with it being a pve server in mind so dont treat it like thats what it's supposed to be. the restrictions are justified since it's a tutorial space/ safe place to play the story mode if you dont like the fact you cant grind pve mindlessly with no risk and all the reward this game isnt for you and you should just play something else

[@jamesbcfc37828]

@@shxdeesot i have played the game since day 1 i have the ferryman set, completed FOTD like 30 times, killed the shrouded ghost, max level on all factions. Don’t talk to me like im new to the game. Not everyone wants to play a rage fulled pvp game every time they try do something PVE lobbies exist and rare acknowledge them so why is it such a big and negative ask wanting to play pve. Hourglass pvp is here now so open sea pvp isn’t hard to find but chilling out a few hours a day shouldnt be a big ask. But i get it dw you’re 1 of them kids that drink g fuel and have to win at every game you play and you just have to play like your life depends on it. No everyone wants to be like you keep that in mind

[@shxdeesot]

@@jamesbcfc37828 bro really said hes completed fotd 30 times like thats a flex💀 thats not a lot of times man. the simple fact is this game is and has always been a pvpve game. since you're definitely a year one player and most definitely arent lying to me im sure you remember when skull forts were the only world events and the entire server would show up and fight over them. THATS THE CONCEPT OF THIS GAME, pve encounters that attract pvp. I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A PVE GAME. we see this over and over again with fotd and fofs these are all pve event made for the soul purpose of attracting PVP encounters. I REPEAT AGAIN THATS WHAT THIS GAME IS. thats the vision for sot and it always has been since the very beginning, why do you think world events are big clouds in the sky? BECAUSE ITS AN ADVERTISEMENT TO THE ENTIRE SERVER SO PEOPLE COME AND PVP OVER THIS PVE LOOT. why do you think all the pve in this game is so ridiculously easy? because it would be literally impossible to complete it while being attacked by other players which is the ENTIRE point if it wasnt. u can sit here and ignore the facts and gaslight yourself into thinking that safer seas was meant as a pve server but the simple truth is that it's not and thats not even what it's been advertised as. find another game if you dont like the facts stick to personal insults and name calling as counter arguments it really displays your level of intelligence very well.

[@MastrPotato]

Having 12% of the gold for loot with no easy to sell spot like the sovereigns really is tough. I feel like when I purchase a few resources I won't even make a profit at the end of the session.

[@cougarfox]

No need to buy supplies because there is almost no use for them

[@RSkrub]

Play the actual game. Lol complaining while playing easy mode. You guys are never satisfied you'll just always continue to cry about something.

[@aspenyoung2914]

@@RSkrubno one cares that video game is what you use to try and act like you have clout.

[@adambrown6669]

It's 30% not 12, and you don't need to buy supplies, just sink a skeleton ship or two, they usually drop storage crates with plenty of cannonballs, wood and food. Additionally the random rowboats have a good supply in their chests too, with no players to harass you, you can just freely engage with anything in the game world with the only risk being the one you expected to deal with.

[@MastrPotato]

@@adambrown6669 it's 12%, as having an emissssry up gives you 250% at grade V.

[@angelabsol8413]

i love how the ONLY athena fortune achievement that can be unlocked is the one with the shrouded ghost.

[@macewindow149]

Yeah, it wouldn't really be fair if you saw the shrouded and didn't get any progress for it

[@angelabsol8413]

@@macewindow149 fully agree.

[@mlan8814]

Does this mean you can get the kraken commendations much easier? Since you can just complete a world event and sail to open seas to guarantee a kraken spawn

[@macewindow149]

Not necessarily guarentee

[@UrickSan92]

Sounds like a day to fish with no fear at all. The legendary hunter of the sea of thieves will be much comfier to get

[@MrHAPPYHAWAIIAN]

Took me three years of toil to get LEGENDARY HUNTER OF THE SEA OF THIEVES😅

[@Imagigamr4295]

Yeah I feel that while it will be nice, commendations such as this should be not able to be achieved, but if they were maybe giving a really good reward for anyone who did it before safer seas

[@dr.3998]

​@@Imagigamr4295Ah yes, because fishing commendations should require partaking in PvP servers. Can you even call yourself a true fisherman if you can't defeat 2 ships at the same time right?

[@macgowan9731]

I’m new to SOT so not sure if this is a thing but if someone can clarify - If you play Safer Seas mode to level 40 then want to level up more, can you take your progress to the normal high seas pvp mode? Or is it a completely different mode where you have separate progression

[@KalinTheZola]

Yes you can, they're not separate progressions. You'll need to move onto higher seas in order to complete parts of the game you can't in safer seas. It's a good way to learn how the game works mechanically and practice fighting npc ships before moving on to pvp with people who've been playing for ages

[@CHIEFLUKE101]

I can definitely see them changing a few of these things to be available in safer seas. The fact that I get a warning of long wait times to find a server tells me they have alot of people playing.

[@johnnyappleswope1821]

Nah

[@Sassafrass95]

it's almost like there is quite a big group of people sick and tired of dealing with the toxic pvpers who ruined this game for them for so long.... To bad pve people are being punished by being given a watered down version of SOT

[@spankyjeffro5320]

I honestly think they were forced to create Safer Seas by MS or investors. Especially considering their long-time stance against such a mode and their pathetic attempt at creating it.

[@phoenixfire8226]

this mode is spitting in the face of pvers, it's a bad joke. now that the hype has died down the game has gone back to being a huge toxic turd

[@trathanstargazer6421]

That 30% hit is too much. It would have been better to do. 50% base, with Emissary buffing you another 50%, so max Safer Sea is min High Seas. This teases how much you can make in High Seas without making Safer Seas too much of a grind fest. To compensate for Emissary being available, AI Reapers will spawn in, matching ship and grade to come hunt you down. I would also add in Reapers again, and AI Emissary's spawn in for you to hunt. If nothing else this teaches how Emissary's work. My overall thought though. Safer Seas isn't going to do well.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Honestly kinda a good idea

[@draxxzakuto5735]

It's not going to do well. Out of the 20 or so players I used to play with all the time 0% of them are willing to come back for this. They don't want to play with their head on a constant swivel and they aren't willing to play this nerfed down version at all. PvPers keep acting like it would be unfair to them, but any way you slice we will never play with PvPers. They're a bunch of low moral people we would never play anything with. RIP SoT.

[@shxdeesot]

@@draxxzakuto5735the whole point is that it's not worth it to play safer seas long term it's supposed to be a transitional gamemode/extended tutorial to ease people into the actual game they didn't make this mode with it being a pve server in mind so dont treat it like thats what it's supposed to be. the restrictions are justified since it's a tutorial space/ safe place to play the story mode if you dont like the fact you cant grind pve mindlessly with no risk and all the reward this game isnt for you and you should just play something else the game isnt going to die you can keep crying for as long as you want but pve servers will never be a good idea and anyone with common sense knows why

[@trathanstargazer6421]

@@shxdeesot And this is written by someone who hasn't put themselves in the mindset of a new player. So many making this argument without putting thought into what a new player will actually get into. Even for the new player experience this is bad. Here, let me even set a scene for you. A new player get in, hopefully does Maiden Voyage, then gets put into Safer Seas. Let's assume they have a friend so they can duo Sloop at least and have someone to chat with. They head out the tavern, and pick one of the three starting voyage givers, lets do Gold Hoarders for example, and set out. Sense these are the lowest tier of voyages to do their payout will be a couple dozen coins per chest. ((Here I even did some math for ya. Castaway 18-39, Seafarer 42-78, Marauder 84-156, Captain 168-330. So very little, and a new player will not see many Marauder's starting out, let alone Captain's. Maybe they'll even find a gem! Which is 300, 450, and 600 respectfully.)) Course doing these voyages barely makes a dent in earning Rep so they realize they'll have to grind to get anywhere. They then go check out the cosmetics shop now that they have a little bit of money, okay, expensive for the amount of gold you get but not crazy, then they go look at ship cosmetics. They like the look of Kraken lets say. They will need 300,000 gold to get the full set. One of the set needing 50,000. Sea forts currently are the best way of making money (something a new player won't know) and you will get about 5,000 a fort. A full, basic, ship set will make you do 60 forts. 10 per cosmetic. So, even if you were to get nothing but captain's chests with max payout. You would have to get 152 Captain's Chests, for just ONE of the ship cosmetics. So very few new players will see this and think they should keep trying to learn. Course, people argue that this is the tutorial! A way to learn! Not to be used for serious play or gold earning! Tell that to new players, who will be taking it seriously. Course a new player will like that to an extent, except with rep gain being so low, they will never fight the harder skeletons. As getting to rep 40, which is max in Safer Seas and get the better voyages that spawn harder enemies will take... fuck I'm not even sure, dozens upon dozens of hours of grinding, maybe over a hundred. So they won't get challenged really, and sense gold is even more grindy then before, they are barely getting rewarded for it. A brand new player will stop at some point and do one of two things, either stop playing, or go to High Seas before they are ready, because they want to progress, get kicked in the face for it, then come back to Safer Seas. This cycle will continue until they leave, or get good enough to stay in High Seas, because they learned on High Seas. You are asking ALOT of people to sink in a lot of hours in for no real payout. No, the current implantation is bad, EVEN FOR YOUR ARGUMENT.

[@shxdeesot]

@@trathanstargazer6421 SINCE YEAR ONE this games core gameplay has been pve to attract pvp encounters. the entire idea of world events are pve encounters made to attract pvp encounters. thats why when skull forts were the only world events when the game first came out everyone would come and fight for the loot it's designed that way. why do you think it's massive clouds in the sky? because it's announcing to the ENTIRE server that theres loot there to get people to fight over it. and if you think im wrong we see this trend repeat itself over and over again, for example the fotd. it was literally created with the original skull forts effect in mind back in year one that had since died out since there was better ways to get loot. IT WAS AN EVENT WITH MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF LOOT DESIGNED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF GETTING PPL TO PVP THROUGH THESE PVE EVENTS. thats what sot is, pve leading to pvp encounters. we see this with literally every world event this is how the game was designed. why do you think none of the pve in this game has any level of difficulty whatsoever if you have an iq of at least 80? because it would be impossible to do these world events MADE for attracting pvp if the pve aspect actually had any challenge to it. you have to deal with both pvp AND pve at the same time. this game shouldnt EVER be treated as SOLELY PVP OR SOLELY PVE EITHER. the two go together and they cant exist properly without eachother. if sot was a pve game only anyone with a brain knows it would have died by now. it takes the devs MONTHS ON MONTHS to release new pve updates (which are literally designed with attracting pvp in mind anyways) and the pve they release if you take the pvp aspects away from it will get old and stale in a week from the repitition. THE ONLY THING KEEPING THE PLAYER BASE ENGAGED LONG TERM IS THE PVP AND ONLINE MULTIPLAYER ASPECTS!! if you dont believe me just look at another pvpve sandbox game like minecraft for example. NO ONE PLAYS SINGLE PLAYER ANYMORE CUS THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THERE IS TO DO. the only thing keeping minecraft alive is the online multiplayer servers. it doesnt take a 160 IQ einstein to figure all this out it just takes a little bit of rational thinking. this game needs pvp and pve TOGETHER at the same time to survive wether you like it or not and if you dont then this game isnt for you and you should move on to a different one. simple. SAFER SEAS RESTRICTIONS ARE JUSTIFIED IT IS ISNT A PVE GAMEMODE ITS MAINLY MADE WITH TALL TALES, FISHING, AND FAMILY GAMING WITH LITTLE KIDS TO HAVE FUN FIGHTING SKELETONS WITHOUT OTHER PLAYERS IN MIND ITS NOT FOR PLAYERS TO MAKE MONEY IN. IT ISNT MADE WITH PROGRESSION IN MIND, ITS A PLACE TO UNDERSTAND THE BASIC PARTS OF THE GAMES LIKE THE EASY WORLD EVENTS AND HOW STUFF FUNCTIONS SO YOU CAN BE READY TO MOVE ON TO DOING THAT STUFF IN HIGHER SEAS AND IF YOU CANT HANDLE THAT SOT ISNT FOR YOU ITS THAT SIMPLE

[@Tw0Three]

I find it funny that they decided to release safer seas just 2 months before there will be actual competition coming out in February. I hope skull and bones turns out to be a good game. Competition is good for game developers but mostly the players.

[@badasscrusader]

True I forgot about that lol,well if they want to compete they need to take the gloves off and give pve servers alot more to work with

[@ziggle5000]

It's an Ubisoft game lmao, you really think there's any chance it'll be good?

[@badasscrusader]

@ziggle5000 well with a market this empty even a half decent ubi game can make it big,kinda like rainbow six siege. Either way I hope it at least competes with sea of thieves,competition will only make them improve

[@Connor-of-Rivia]

It's good for new players and story players like me because it is finally time to do tall tales without being sunk again and❤again 😂 ( yeah it's a skill issue 😢)

[@NHNVrhythmguitarist]

Tiz hard being a solo slooper when every full brig/galley wants to PVP and you just wanna get an accommodation from a tall tale. PVP in SoT has turned off every one of my friends, I’m hoping Safer Seas introduces many new and fed up players back to the game

[@StudlyFudd13]

@@NHNVrhythmguitarist My two roommates have always wanted to join me in SoT. I have well over 1k hours in this game and still find joy in it. With safe seas they have both now bought and are actively playing the game. We had a blast the last three nights! One has extreme social anxiety so he avoids social settings and online people, and the other is legally blind and cannot keep up with pvp due to his sight. Now they get to have fun in the game.

[@ethannewman1905]

Increase the gold percentage, add more ships to be able to be in the same server, allow guilds and captaincy and then we are good!

[@MtHermit]

Man it's been 3 years since I played SoT. This video brought back some great memories of trying to get the Reaper rank up with friends from streams and discord.

[@Simplechioces]

I have a few friends buying the game so we can play all the PVE content for party night this weekend.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Nice, hope you have fun!

[@miriamkilbane]

Y’all suck, making the game insufferable for those who wanna play it right

[@kingdom13keeper]

I’m happy safer seas is a thing, I don’t mind the lower gold and rep. But I wish it was just half instead of 30% 😅 kind of seems too low for rep and gold.Also I feel everything should be there except for the ability to earn athena and reaper rep and representing those factions (you can do athena missions or the tall tale themed Athena missions but without earning rep), hourglass, and maxing at lv40 for the main factions but you can still do their missions and represent them. Captaincy should be included as you are still sailing. An really it’s rather depressing that rare couldn’t just see the positivity of safer seas and go “okay we need a campaign mode” and just put all the tall tales and seasonal stories into 1 mode. Then you go to the book archive in the bar or on your ship and propose a seasonal event like hungering deep or shrouded deep and those figures and events can start to generate making a campaign adventure for you and your crew. Would be easy! An with it being a campaign mode rather than seasonal, you could also re-edit the events so that it is less grindy and more epic. For example, the golden sands vs reapers event instead of getting planks and food and such. You actually arrive on golden sands and have to man the island’s cannons and shoot reaper/skeleton ships out of the water or maybe an occasional NPC reaper row boat. Oh how I wish I could be a team lead for rare and work on a project like that.

[@totallyrealname6376]

Remove all restrictions, people who want to pvp can fight other players that want to pvp, players who don't won't anyway, I left the game years ago and only came back for safer seas. Rare and PVP players have two options, give people who don't want pvp their own servers or they simply won't play, hundreds of testimonials with hundreds of likes confirm this is the reality for an extremely large portion of the playerbase.

[@GuardianSoulkeeper]

So have like two games? As in you functionally have two completely separate accounts. I can see that being really unpopular.

[@potatoguy7929]

@@GuardianSoulkeeperi would love it

[@arbalest327]

​@@GuardianSoulkeepercause the people who already made progression would be scammed? Yes, this is the price for adding a terrible pvp system without thinking about the consequences.

[@GuardianSoulkeeper]

@@arbalest327 Because the player base would be divided. What happens to those with friends on both the PvE and PvP servers? What's in it for them?

[@arbalest327]

@@GuardianSoulkeeper it won't matter about player base split if the game dies due to this bad design, I guarantee if they add like better ai or something for pve and make pve servers better then our current people would come back. People don't come back to this game exclusively to sink the millionth new player and go around the map for hours to pvp because rare can't make hourglass or arena remotely work. And the pve players don't want to waste time on pve if they just get sunk, or sink the other person only for the other dude to come back and have the same boring fight because he doesnt want to go around the map looking for another dude to pvp, or the fact pvp has no progression and only exists right now in the terrible hourglass mode, or to make people days who want a better fleshed out pve experience worse. If you literally add more compelling ship factions that fight you on naval and stuff like black flag this would solve multitudes of players problems with the game. This game bleeds players because of how pvpve is designed.

[@Randaddy25]

I got the gold curse before safer seas, and only got interrupted a few times. I prefer high seas, but it's nice that people have options.

[@tempesttossed6029]

Safer seas will be great for recording and creating roleply style stories.

[@hateful.]

If I were to get any curse in Safer Seas, would I be able to use it in High Seas?

[@ΓιαννηςΟυζουνης-κ8π]

yes

[@kiro-fo9qg]

Right now you can currently get OOS curse, Sunken Curse, Ashen Curse, and Gold curse in Safer Seas.

[@fuzzman02]

The only reason I was going to play this was to get multiple ships in the same server with friends

[@dusermiginte4647]

I suck a gaming. But I enjoy gaming. I was happy when I found out you can play PVE on SoT but after this video I dont know if there is a point playing safe of seas anymore.. 😅

[@dusermiginte4647]

Downloading it now though, have to try this out. :)

[@ceeofdeez]

Safer seas is pointless just take the risk of being attacked in high seas. Sell often.

[@archwolf3835]

I wish Rare would let us just play the game we paid for without restriction. I want to just enjoy the game with my girlfriend who is very bad at video games and hates pvp. She loves games like this and I wish we could enjoy the game to its fully feature potential. Rare is just being spiteful after their supporting toxic behavior has bit them in the butt.

[@JulesVanBelle]

Nooooo PvP is very needed and just a part of being a pirate and if you can’t handle that then don’t play

[@archwolf3835]

@JulesVanBelle I dont play it because I get random crashes with no error codes and the community is toxic and refuses to let people enjoy the game how they want to enjoy it👍

[@eldinoor7072]

But... You can enjoy the game without PvP. You just take a 70% cut in reward. You essentially lose 70% of the risk. The only real danger in the game are the other players. It is part of why I like Safer Seas. It gives me a reason to do silly stuff and be with my boyfriend in a game mode where I can just be doing stuff without fear of losing everything. There is still PvE everywhere. Most non-player-combat-based commendations are still available for unlock, and the world events still happen. This also gives you the ability to do the Tall Tales and still gain treasure and renown. I am genuinely confused as to why there is a problem here. Is it because you want all the reward for less than half the risk?

[@eldinoor7072]

​@@JulesVanBelleor... Play in the safer seas? I don't get this gatekeeping mentality where you can either get fucked by people who played the game for years before you or don't play the game at all. I'm certain our new friends from the PS5 are happy the training grounds that are the Safer Seas exist.

[@archwolf3835]

@eldinoor7072 yeah we tried playing safer seas but we kept getting crashes and the game had no error codes so we gave up

[@VitalAstral]

I like both pve and pvp about the same amount, but i can say a big part that makes the game fun is roaming around exploring and getting treasure with your friends. Most of the pvp involves players only pvping and not actualy getting there own loot. So i think having both options would be better. Althought the best way to do it is make it where if you do play the pvp seas then you get bonus reputation and gold then you do at the moment and then make the safer seas just like the normal one.

[@JekyTheFirst]

Tall tales will be way better now

[@magicpyroninja]

Most people wouldn't care if it was only for tall tales

[@SpicySnax]

literally the only reason i'm using safer seas is just to do all the tall tales in peace aha otherwise see you on the high seas!

[@ganonn]

@@magicpyroninja To be frank, if people are up in arms because there won't be as many easy targets, then why should we care what they want? People want to play in peace, and if that means the devs do give us PvE only High Seas, that means they'll earn more $$$ from casuals.

[@ipapachubbs8609]

This will be a great addition to SOT imo, great for new players who are just trying to get a hang of the game without interruption.

[@nambr9]

While I appreciate this I would love to see multiple crews on the safer sees. I have 6 friends that would love to play in this, but cant for whatever the reason is behind it.

[@scottrichards3832]

Just saw the section about Hot Goods, Blazing Hot Goods and Raging Hot Goods. These can be earned as I just completed all 3 today.

[@magicpyroninja]

The one or two people that are normally on the servers are gone. My server was completely empty this morning so thank you rare for making all the servers PVE servers

[@AShinyRay]

We just get 100% progression on PVE servers 2: High Seas

[@antoinefelixgagne8769]

the safer seas is an exellent opportunity to play SOT with my dauther soon . now she is a little young , but she loves to listen to subnautica gameplays and astronner when I play or on youtube

[@zekefoxfire2753]

I wish u could have more people in your server would be super fun to fight your friends

[@Sirake]

"If you don't like it... I guess you just have to suck it up" Um... no? We can just not play. We have options. I personally will be playing to show the devs this gamemode is wanted, but I totally understand people who don't

[@KrodaStagg]

When safe seas dropped, me and 3 other friends jumped back into the game. That's 4 more players, as opposed to 0.

[@molyember164]

I think it would be a good idea to invite another crew into a session to practice pvp. They could still lock down the commendations that require other crews it just would be really good to have fun with more ships

[@TEJR69]

One thing I'm quite sad we can't do in safer seas are to get more ships even if we are in the same crew... I didn't really aimed to train PVP since I've been playing this game for unhealthy amounts of time since day 1 :X But we had a couple of ideas with friends. Just some "mini-games" we could compeed in. Ofc it would be 4 player FFA ship battle, "capture the flag" with a treasure chest which you would need to get via capturing enemy bundle of maps and so on. But the one thing we all wanted can be done! And that is a massive fishing contest. For whatever reason me and my friends enjoy fishing in that game so much, I only need couple of the rare fishes to get all the commendations for 'em. Now with safer seas it's gon' be not only easy, but fishing for hours in one spot just to get those rare fishes more than often invite enemy ships to do you harm, since you are stationary for ages.

[@greatestraver]

Good grief...yeah i think ill just stick to server hopping to avoid reapers and do things as i always have

[@larik9820]

I think it's totally fair, I am excited to try Safer Seas with friends, to my understanding it's going to be amazing for fishing or do tall tales, anything else you should go to the normal servers.

[@Newty7]

They did good with this but when will they give you a place to practice pvp with your friends easier?

[@Max-prime1212]

Never. That would cater to the tdm community and they can't have that ☹️

[@shxdeesot]

@@Max-prime1212real (real)

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

THEY HAD A PLACE LIKE THAT, IT WAS THE ARENA MODE

[@Newty7]

@NiCoNiCoNiCola we all know rare is too stubborn to bring back arena. When do they do anything good for the pvp community

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

@@Newty7 I mean, all the time I suppose? It's not like they really cut anything for PvP, aside from making double gunning worse and that's about it. They clearly favor the PvP crowd, despite it being a minority and it's the PvE guys getting bad treatment. Meanwhile when I'm played this game it was literally like playing an old Souls game today. It is online for sure, but there's like two and a half people playing it

[@telkota1247]

Thanks for the overview! I might check out SOT again, just for safer seas. Experience some of the tales before putting it down again :p would guess a good chunk of players hopping on for safer seas will just quit once they're satisfied, rather than joining the high seas servers

[@Azathoth343]

I honestly wish that they would add more mythology creatures like jormangaundur, or charibdis.

[@बिहारी-ठ3ख]

id imagine they would only add more well known ones, meg, kraken and sirens are fairly popular. either that or theres already plenty variety.

[@Azathoth343]

@@बिहारी-ठ3ख Well that is true the game just feels empty I simply think this would be the best way to bring in new players and bring back old ones.

[@LeviathanTamer31]

I wonder... for the Charybdis encounter, would you just be trying to escape it? Or are you fighting _to_ escape it? Either way having a whirlpool suddenly open up sounds intense and I love it.

[@Azathoth343]

@@LeviathanTamer31 You know how the water turns black when there's a kraken around my idea was that once the whirlpool started showing up if you just stop the ship entirely you would eventually get swallowed up by Charybdis and entered a new server or maybe inside of it's stomach for loot but if you stay in the stomach for too long then the acid would destroy your ship and kill you but that's my idea.

[@Boi5219]

Idk if jormangaundur would work due to its sheer size. It’s the WORLD serpent

[@timzolotukhin9318]

Quick question. Can you do the coral bottle quest in safer seas?

[@efekocabasoglu7746]

The ending made me laugh very hard 😂

[@awesomeODST]

Why would they not let you invite friends to use their own ships though? The devs seem allergic to the idea of letting you play with friends (who want their own ship) even though it'd make the game so much more fun imo

[@justebob]

idk if there is restriction, i just want a sea safe place where I can play with my mother in peace, it's all i want, a peaceful pirate heaven, not this warzone that the sea of thieves came in higher sea.

[@Kezsora]

Warzone in the high seas? I wish. I hardly see any other ships nevermind ones that don't run away the second you get 3 islands away from them.

[@BoebieBaby]

@@Kezsorafor real dude I wish I could switch servers with people who say they’re a war zone lol. All I get paired with are swabbies

[@vivekjk6729]

@@BoebieBaby if you want action, just put up an athena emissary and watch what happens. doesnt matter if you got grade 1 or grade 5, they all come chasing

[@mountainrogue3448]

@@vivekjk6729 I do enjoy flag hunting

[@PigsHealthcare]

peaceful and pirate in the same sentence bruh im crine

[@MichaelB619]

Like that this mode lets me do some calm commendations without having to look over my shoulder tbh

[@jayg7991]

They should honestly seperate safer seas from the rest, you'd have to make a new character and start completely from scratch, yet you get all of the things that are in safer seas, that way it doesnt give anyone an advantage in high seas and it gives the people in safer seas more reason to grind if you have to start over again, personally i wouldnt mind starting over, other people may not agree

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

That's the thing: there's no real advantage. The only advantage you have is experience and I wouldn't say it's fair when you're a new player put against someone who played for years. Again, there's only COSMETIC items in this game, you can't buy better guns or upgrade your ship. If you let a new player play on an old and upgraded account he would still perform bad because there's no real advantages

[@noahmoore2608]

I hope one day they let there just be a pve side. Can’t tell u how often a reaper has screwed me agter 4-5 hours