Asmongold Reactions "Why Classic WoW? Storytelling" by Defcamp & Melderon TV

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[@SNAPKICK4114]

I just realized one of the biggest reasons I loved Vanilla WoW. Zones didn't feel like road bumps while leveling up through them. Every new zone was like adventuring through a small country, spending a large portion of time measurable by calendar actually dedicating myself to whatever cause there. Nowadays leveling through a zone might as well be a day trip by comparison. There's no investment in the zones like the extensive amount of time invested into Stranglethorn back then.

[@davidhenderson2022]

R.Felipe Crowe I agree 100%!!

[@topanteon]

There never was much investment. I'd say the lore of each zone is better today. It's just that everything was new to you, so you remember it fondly, while now you got sick and tired of it.

[@Andronicus87]

I want classic to be the way it was in everything except one thing. The graphics I want them to be updated to what they are in BFA. They still havent updated any of the old zones to WoD Legion BFA levels thats it.

[@dhkgy12345]

@@topanteon i disagree. As a literal Cata baby I always felt like I couldn’t stand leveling cus it felt like nothing but a hurdle to the actual game which was the late game. Ive been playing wow classic casually and having a ton of fun on my Tauren hunter. I feel invested in the zones because I know that is actually part of the game. In cata and beyond leveling to me at least always felt like a mindless hurdle because lets be real its so damn easy. You never have to be careful and pull certain numbers of mobs so the challenge is never in the actual gameplay. That 30 second gameplay loop of actually being satisfying just isn’t there which I think is really imp cus that keeps you invest in upgrades. I’m literally at work right now and I’m going through my head thinking over what I’m gonna do next on my hunter today cus I actually have to strat out so I don’t get owned on my next quest. To me that is far more satisfying.

[@krealdawwg7857]

in addition to that you would get quests for dungeons that you knew gave so much exp and a chance to get items that you just had to do it and had to look for people, you legit had to write to someone: Hi, wanna do SM ? now I q up, don't speak get an item that im gonna replace on the next quest

[@RationalOrc]

cutscenes should be rare and rewarding. The first WoLK cutscene is perfect. It comes at the end of a long quest chain, and for your work, you get to see the one and only cutscene of the expansion, and it's a clear game changer for progressing the story of WoLK

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Wrath had two, Wrathgate and Arthas' death, but yeah you are right about it's impact.

[@baxst]

ASMONGOLD WATCHING DEFCAMP AND MELDERON LETS GOOOOO

[@pettemoore812]

Hey Asmongold. I started playing WoW during TBC with soldiers from my US Army unit. I'll never for get one time raiding Kara, and two of the players were Army husband and wife. The husband was a main tank and the wife played a hunter. The wife was in charge of keeping mons trapped (of course) and kept letting her mpns get free, killing the raid so we kicked her out and found another hunter. Well she told her husband, our main rank that she would divorce him if he didnt leave the raid too. He didnt and she actually divorced him. How many other game have inspired people's passion so much it could literally cause a divorce?

[@Evenflovv]

Good story mon.

[@elgindor]

The wow devs were Everquest fans. Everquest was an older harder version of Wow vanilla.

[@thelastshallbefirst3653]

Can't imagine something harder than vanilla. That's crazy!

[@Balloonbot]

And they were D&D fans. All stems from there really.

[@joeldoxtator9804]

Best memory of waiting for the BC gate to open. Using the new ability shadow step to gank alliance hiding on the gates.

[@obeybosss]

The thing is that Blizzard made foreshadowing for so many instances that were planned and never done in vanilla. Think about Uldum... and great Uldaman quest about it. Same with Caverns of time that you become familiar with while doing AQ quests and AQ20/40 instances. Karazhan and Medivh story when doing Atiesh and corrupted Ashbringer events. Vaelstraz that hints about Grim Batol. And all these instances that have their entrances that tease you ..... look there is something....

[@rogue5861]

obeybosss yet instead of adding that content to vanilla they decided to milk us for another $60 an release content in an xpac. TBC was great an I had my best wow time then, but the raising of the level cap an making 60 content irrelevant was a bad move imo.

[@obeybosss]

@@rogue5861 In an interview back in the days some dev said that they had 2 ideas of developing wow. Paid content patches or EXpacks and Expacks only if the game will hit 1mil + subscribers. They really didn't think that it will be so popular. Right now it is easliy can be done with DLC paid patches BUT the original developers were gone through vanilla. Even Naxx content was partially designed by different people and i really hate that switch in naxxramas itemization philosophy. I really think that patch 1.13 is the way to go after all of the content is cleared BUT would current developers be able to do everything right? i don't think so.

[@rogue5861]

obeybosss who knows if they will get it right, but its not about getting it right. Its about keeping to the lore and not making old raids irrelevant imo. If you still need to progress through all the raids before you can move into the new ones that would be great. Blizzard make great raids in retail atm, but its the fact the game as a whole is hollow.

[@obeybosss]

@@rogue5861 for example. I was giving flying f*cks about lore all the way. The game need to be consistent, itemization should be balanced and done properly. IMO TBC was already a ton of crap from many different perspectives. All those vectors of development that were introduced in TBC have led to modern wow.

[@rogue5861]

obeybosss why does itemization need to balanced? You picked your gear, just because naxx dropped “better” loot does mean it was actually better for you.

[@DraphEnjoyer]

Its background story telling and the best comparison I can make is to the Soul games that don't have up front narratives. The story of Vanilla is that its 4 years after the events of Warcraft 3, the Alliance Horde truce is over and everyone just goes back to their side of the fence. Every zone is about basically cleaning up the world that almost ended because of a demonic invasion/zombie plague. Whatever story there is, is portrayed through quest text. Retails problem is that there's too much narrative, to the point where its intrusive to gameplay. Every patch is the same. New area opens, we follow NPCs around while they talk, we establish a foothold in front of the raid entrance then we do the raid. The game vomits its narrative on you in chunks and you feel like a spectator for the npcs despite doing 100% of the work. Back in 2004 this game was praised for having next to no gameplay interruptions. You could run from one end of a content to another and never see a loading screen outside of an instance or hearthstone. Also there were 0 cutscenes.

[@deslaya7777]

It is my dream that blizzard goes back in time and has an epiphany for whats really made vanilla the greatest MMO ever created. I want them to start it all over again, and turn classic into an OSRS scenario, where it has its own branch of content updates. Let's do it again boys, and lets do it the right way this time.

[@takoja507]

What I think that happen to WoW was that younger generation of game developers and designers step in. Classic WoW has that feeling of DnD (even tho I never played those), board games etc. that made you use your imagination also while playing. Then younger ones game who had been playing with nintendo and sega and playstation for their childhood and wants instant satisfaction basicly from story and quests and loot. More loot, stronger loot, epic color loot. etc. so story and gameplay in that sense was left behind. :( My 2cents!

[@ryanmccoy8980]

I don't know, D&D has only become more and more popular over time and those game devs who designed classic weren't that old, the oldest among them probably grew up with arcade machines and commodore 64 which are the epitome of instant gratification. Imagination games never really went out of style in nerd circles.

[@cory3100]

ryan mccoy LMAO clearly you have no clue what are talking about. Just listens to the interviews the devs have dont they tell what games they took for inspiration.

[@Postermaestro]

7:59 poor mobile user passing by with the ”BIG BUTT gachiBASS” comment about 5 min later. Twitch mobile app really sucks lol

[@jeffreydallaire4941]

If they decided to not allow quest helper addons in classic I'd be all for it but every vanilla private server ive played on allows the questie addon which does most of the work for you in terms of telling you where you need to go for each quest right on the map. Did they have a quest helper addon in vanilla? I seriously cant remember.

[@poopjeans1135]

For me, as far as feeling like I made a difference was the phasing after quest completion they did in Wrath. Where for instance the area around Dun Niffleheim changed as you did the sons of Hodir quests. To me that's how it should work. If you're questing in an area and find out the mobs are actually demons...then at that point the mobs should change to various demons as opposed to staying static. That makes it seem as though the world is changing as you learn more about what's going on. Also, Pandaria wasn't established Lore. They took an obscure OP class from Warcraft 3 and based an entire expansion around that 1 brewmaster.

[@neglesaks]

"Also, Pandaria wasn't established Lore. They took an obscure OP class from Warcraft 3 and based an entire expansion around that 1 brewmaster." Indeed. Based on a brewmaster to jerk off the Chinese market.

[@allon33]

Vanilla Wow was the Child of D&D, it followed the rules set down by TSR, and by thousands of D&D dungeon masters with 30 years experience before WoW was invented, it was no accident!

[@Balloonbot]

Exactly - i've barely played D&D myself, so im surprised this shocks Asmon so much. You have to write down your own notes to complete quests while play D&D let alone just read text.

[@Idle_Timer]

The graph part, top half is story and narrative based on the world and lore. Bottom half is the fact that it's just the players story that's guided by the world instead of the world story guided by players moving through it. Basicalls top is the world exists and you pass through it, the bottom is the game is for YOUR character to travel through because you are the story.

[@Chaosmite]

I really want to play vanilla wow again. The community was so much better. Just yesterday I was questing and there was a 3 man group requirement at lvl and I did it solo, there’s no chance doing that on classic, you have to ask the community to help.

[@gvdz3395]

I have such a chub for wow classic these videos are such a tease

[@lizj729]

That music makes me so nostalgic

[@samljer]

The AQ shit blew my mind. That took forethought.

[@nicowst4515]

Imagine making a lot of money by watching videos "with" people, playing video games.. The dream.

[@trapsrus5611]

Why not do it? I'm sure not all these streamers started big, they just had the balls and the money to start themselves up and went from there. Be creative and unique, be you!

[@parsajanaki7203]

Nicowst this guy started from dirt bottom and deserves every single penny he makes and it took him years to be what he is now

[@topanteon]

6:20 - Same thing for Pirates of the Caribbean, actually. In the sequels, it was all about Jack Sparrow. In the first one, it wasn't.

[@topanteon]

Also, I'd just like to point out that, towards the end of the video, dude's just wrong that we're fighting the burning legion in TBC. We're not. There's some stuff about the burning legion here and there but most of Hellfire Peninsula isn't about the legion. Zangarmarsh isn't. Nagrand isn't. Blade's Edge isn't. Terrokkar isn't. Netherstorm has some bits about it but isn't really. And SMV I don't really remember, but it's mostly about Gul'Dan, isn't it?

[@MHTrification]

Yeah in the first one Jack was a side character an then it all turned to shit. I agree :)

[@Soldruid]

this was a very compelling video. and felt the same as i feel about the game as well.

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

"Obviously you couldn't, but you think you could." I laughed at that line.

[@gilstrap730]

I already played vanilla and do think we need a classic server...but i do want something new, vanilla with new storys/raids.

[@Davman316]

I want classic to be the same as Vanilla so that casuals can suffer.

[@CarsGettingHurt]

Totally agree

[@Chillibe]

So Classic Wow, but another game?

[@forsheisenfaust5570]

Dude is spot on and I'm going to relate it to the OG of MMOs too, Evercrack. That game was based on MUDs...Multi User Dungeons, aka Dungeons & Dragons. I felt the same way in early World of Warcraft. I don't know if it was intentionally MUD-based but I had to explore in the same way. It was such a pain in the balls to do quests so I really respected people who could follow through and finish them. I knew I could never have what they had because I wasn't willing to put in the work. I really hope classic World of Warcraft continues making everything a pain in the balls because if they only kinda/sorta make it like Vanilla WoW they just killed their game before it even takes off. There is literally no old-school MMO on the market. Sure, there are private servers and some company still runs EQ, but neither is classic OG game-play. DON'T SCREW THIS UP BLIZZARD GAMERS WILL HATE YOU FOREVER. THEY WON'T FORGET AND THAT WILL BE YOUR LEGACY.

[@almichty92]

so true, it actually made me have to read the lore !, untill i found out about the addon quest helper :p

[@brumalh5548]

The storytelling has gotten better but the actual story is off the rails

[@dedsnake3376]

Classic here i come! where greatness all started! and Ends! or does it? ^^

[@NylochEU]

Defcamp and melderon let's gooooo

[@bourbon5983]

Yo, Pamela Redpath questline is so good.

[@_Justjon]

ppl liked them so much because they were more grand versions of Warcraft with the ability to fight bosses and meet ppl from the lore of Warcraft. no long an isometric camera u could go and explore the whole word.

[@gamescreekstudio5275]

Im making games becz WOW inspired me alot other games did too but I liked its environment so much :P

[@greg3284]

WoW: the only game that's More fun when you are terribad. You want to be world first, great! Me, I loved just hanging with friends and the occasional quest.

[@bigdimig5368]

PERFECT thumbnail 10/10

[@ebiven1563]

The only thing I remember about the Barrens is Chuck Norris

[@trollmctrollington3693]

My favorite one was the robot chicken chain :)

[@trapsrus5611]

I'm gonna say it and people are probably gonna hate me, but I liked Litch king xpac the most. Thought what they did there was cool and at the time I was sooo excited to get my character to 55 before it dropped to make my death knight.

[@joeldoxtator9804]

I hated the aesthetics of Wrath. It's like they gave up on making armor look good.

[@trapsrus5611]

I didn't mind the armor to much, I liked it mainly though because that's when I really started getting my teeth into the game. Everyone was running ICC and let me tell you at the time that raid was hell lol. Notherend was cool as fak I with the aesthetics and music to accompany it with. You had the argent crusade quest lines out there, fighting armies of undead. Plus the storyline to it was very idk how to put it, I just liked it? Thought the storyline behind it all very well developed. Plus I feel like everyone were just doing so much stuff. All day people would be raiding the hord for the, For the Alliance! Achievement. Tons were at the tournament grounds to get there mounts and gears, it was a very fun experience for me. And WoW felt very alive with many running around everywhere. Not saying it's not gonna feel alive on vanilla, because I'm sure it will having tons of people flow into at the start, but WoTL was definitely well designed in my opinion.

[@DouchebagDex]

You say wotlk is the best because the main 2 competition for it (tbc and classic) you never played. After wotlk was a downward spiral, it's no wonder you think it's the best.

[@trapsrus5611]

@@DouchebagDex lol people making false accusation are bad. I have been playing since the end of vanilla start of BC, if you really dont believe me I have achievements from those times as well to prove you wrong. Yes I liked WoTLK the most and there are reasons behind it. Just because your butt hurt over a comment doesnt mean you can falsely accuse someone of something. It's just dumb. You all think your entitled to this game because you think only a few people played vanilla and up, WoW has always been a big game. I made those little free accounts using my emails until bc came out with blood elf's, I thought that was cool and actually bought the game than. But no apparently I never played them because you know me better than I do. Lol.

[@DouchebagDex]

@@trapsrus5611 "I was sooo excited to get my character to 55 before it dropped to make my death knight." Makes it sound like you just got to 55 right before wotlk released, meaning you never played vanilla or tbc endgame content. Can't blame my false accusations over your bad English tbh.

[@tazzil4446]

Back in the days i read the book of arthas.

[@ifritto]

I was raging when he didn't understand the graph lol

[@AltFromTheLimbo]

In classic wow, even a Worker from WC3 is like 20+lvl.

[@rahbeat9785]

25:24 smartest thing i ever heard from Asmon!

[@Ap1hw]

That chart looks like wows subs

[@NyelleUnbroken]

I never cared about lore or quest text until Xal'atath; the artifact that whispered....it was open ended mysterious ....which turned out to be build up to 8.1.5+ years in advance. I dunno man; the small hints are there and baited me into actually caring about lore for the first time ever. Take it for what is is; but they baited me with Xal'atath and all other forms of story telling in wow failed to capture me from 2009 until that moment in Legion.

[@deusvult725]

That Thumbnail tho. Lol

[@LegijatMN]

18:04 !

[@gabrielacelasi1792]

Clasic is definitly a good game. but not the best patch. that would be BC. has almost the same dificulty curve but is a lot more FAIR, and offers more. Dual spec, class spec viability, flying in the new zone while keeping the old one pristine, profesion usefulness, and faction identity while alowing everyone everything. Wotlk is decent with more content but gets more easier. I honestly believe BC is their best work. also i still remember to this day the 1st time i killed Illidan and experienced for 6 minutes or so the music that folowed, as i stood in the pooring rain.

[@channie3473]

Dual spec did not exist until Wrath

[@MalhaIIa]

28:56 It was a pinnacle accomplishment by the best neckbeards in the country. So no longer a coincidence then?

[@Sonnavind123]

Hi, From Norway, Love watching your channel. What was the really wrong with TbC was that going through the portal a raid; 40 or 100 mans raid. and if you didnt make it you couldt get too outland. And when you then went back to Azeroth, you wasnt in the same realm as the Classics one, so the catalysm could happend and all the S**t. So you are not forced to lvl up, and still chuse (choose? Any way) to play the the old game, and not get fucked up by 60 twinks, that have Blue 60 gear that are bether then 60 Purple. Just my though after watching this.

[@larsulrich3356]

Tirion breaking out of his cell and destroying frostmourne wasn't at all player driven. Neither was the father of Arthas aiding in the fight either.

[@visraider3992]

As much as I love the in-game storytelling, I don't understand why people hate on the books so much? There is so much information and story that can only be conveyed through writing, and people just want to ignore it because they think reading is boring or hard (at least that's what it seems like to me). I have enjoyed the story of the Warcraft universe from Warcraft: Orcs and Humans all the way to World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth, reading all the books and novellas along the way.

[@marcusgaius]

Imho, every major aspect of the plot should be discoverable within the game, one way or another. Intricacies of the storytelling can be safely kept to the books, but one should not be required to go out of their way to learn ingame lore from a third party source. Not to mention there are already many book objects within the world of the game through which the story can be conveyed.

[@visraider3992]

@@marcusgaius That's not the point I'm trying to make. You say "required to go out of their way" like reading a book is some chore rather than another adventure. Why?

[@marcusgaius]

​@@visraider3992 You've said it's like a chore, not me. What I have said is that it's a different kind of media. It's something else you have to buy. It's not the preferred way to learn about the in-game lore, for me, anyway. All I'm saying is that the players should be able to find the major plot points from an accompanying book within the game.

[@lsfearls]

Ta;ling about dark souls in reference to WoW classic a game I put more time into than some put into WoW and I would have to agree with him however I would say that Demon Souls pushes that even further however dark souls one refined it and the lore of the soul series is iron clad.

[@jonnyblaze2006]

8:26 the truth

[@Falcrist]

*_"Van Cleef did nothing wrong"_* FUCKING LOOOOLOLOLOL

[@larsulrich3356]

Modern World of Warcraft can be fixed and adjusted to be good again. It just depends on Blizzard to fix it. I like classic for it's own style and everything but it's definitely not superior by any means. I sure do miss old azeroth. New Azeroth is all messed up and stupid. Floating rocks in westfall. Big sword stuck in the world in Silithus. Not to mention two major cities wiped out. No thanks.

[@Helmbreaker]

Damn what was that intro song

[@toborgrec5645]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6e6eWSBgLSmpbs 16:45

[@vizaldrex]

Comparing Dark Souls with vanilla Classic made me think of another game with the same immersion level, i know it's gonna sound weird but, Half Life made me feel exactly the same ;)

[@MagicDragonesk]

The guy clipping this video is so lazy, they dont even edit out him going to the bathroom LOL

[@kelvinmcgarry7332]

Oh god the man complaining about laziness doesn't have the time to skip ahead...

[@lockout6896]

Skip forward if your not lazy

[@bluntman3180]

It takes "x" seconds to hit a mine one time. You hit a mine 3 times. Why not hit a mine one time, for 3 times longer than x, and then collect all the loot just one time. Isn't that the same as aoe looting?

[@vaultfault9360]

Spitballing, I'd say it's because it makes it a little more engaging. You can't click it, go pick your nose and come back when its done. You need to keep interacting with it to get the loot. It also makes the loot reveal more interesting. You discover how much loot you're going to get from it bit by bit instead of all at once. I honestly remember the feeling from back in the day when you'd start mining an ore deposit and you'd have looted it 2-3 times, which was fairly standard, but it hadn't faded yet so you keep clicking it. And keep clicking it... and it just keeps on coming, and you're thinking "Holy shit. This ore deposit is fucking massive! I'm going to be rich!" And you'd end up looting it like 6-7 times, filling up a whole stack of ore and walk away with a big dumb grin on your face.

[@Harinjo916]

He didn't even play the Witcher 3

[@finstor3386]

I never read the quests, just the directions to go where to find the mobs I have to kill. When Classic comes out I'll see if I have the patience to take my time and read the story. I doubt it though. I raided through Naxx, killed maybe 8 bosses in there and had no idea why I will killing anything. As far as the greatest neck beards go...Companies will never pay talent like they use to pay those guys. They treat these people like McDonalds employess. The state of gaming now leads me to believe that a game as good as Wow classic wont ever be made again, let alone one that surpasses it.

[@Chris_KAy]

make the quest played as audio, you basically can run towards it or do other stuff while listening to it, i myself was always quite annoyed to read, meanwhile i was really interested in the lore.... and of course, where i fucking need to go too xD! You dont even need so much readers for this, do it like a storyteller, go for a female/male human/ork/undead/elf,..... or more cheaper just one male/female voice .... i vote for morgan freeman xD!

[@Topcaleb]

Lol by more to look forward to you mean 1 ass kicking of many to come.Gachi scream.How immersing.

[@emelx5739]

i feel so bad for wasting my 10 years + of gaming on metin2 and just starting playing wow and watching asmon like 2 months ago

[@MC-xw2ro]

Has he really never realized thus before or just playing it up? 8:10

[@MikePhantom]

not realizing it rather more like not making the connection consciously

[@Dunz0Washington]

People didn't read shit back then either... Instant text has always been a thing and thottbot was used religiously

[@aliasoma]

Ion was never about storytelling, he was about min/maxing, raid/dung mechanics, etc. Get rid of Ion!

[@samljer]

I been saying that for years, and these fucking streamers keep telling me im wrong. Maybe theyll wake up.

[@BooguyTheAdept]

He shouldn't be the director of a game. He is good at raid balancing, but not at the whole game. Damn, I miss Metzen so much, he was the best.

[@aliasoma]

@@samljer Ofc they do, they all want his job someday so they will never publically speak out against him (even though they should).

[@visraider3992]

I dunno, Ion seems to struggle in those departments as well. More likely he's just the puppet of the higher ups in Blizzard, considering the vague answers he gives to every relevant question during Q&A's.

[@aliasoma]

@@visraider3992 That's his legal training. He's still licensed to practice law.

[@12deathguard]

I didnt even know wow had a story.

[@Flufferz626]

This makes me sad tbh, that you never even knew Warcraft 1-3 were a thing before World of Warcraft. Warcraft 3 is on sale right now on GOG, check it out.

[@Ronythethird]

Same or bloodborne. When u start ur absolutely nothing. The game gives 0 fuck about you or explaining anything to u. U are just dropped in to literally die at ur first encounter. U sweat like fuck to exist... I felt the exact same thing back in vanilla wow on my level 11 undead rogue...i felt so weak all the time with the feeling that there is such a massive world out there and im totally unprotected. This is gold.

[@shadowlemens]

just becasue a EXP donest have a villian callling you out all exp donest mean its lazy story writing

[@PejtuJoker]

i dont give a single fuck about LORE i give a fuck about satisfaction from raiding and playing with good people and killing hard and complicated bosses this doesnt exist since draenor started thats why im playing POE

[@Denstoradiskmaskinen]

So questing was better without addons. Yet we see raiding being too easy in vanilla, just install bossmods and follow their instructions(!).. :D

[@thiccusmaximus2515]

Part of the reason why I stopped playing WoW is because they fucked up the Lore. I got out before the game really shit on itself, but I still came back for a bit for Legion. Fucking love Demon Hunters. Best thing they created.

[@JozefKonradPlata]

Quest helper destroyed wow for me. I was actually trying to figure out what to do. But then at some point I saw some people just go to specific locations because they KNEW where to go and what to do. So then I learned about Quest Helper. And my leveling went much faster. But since then I stopped even reading the quests. And this way I stopped paying attention to what actually is going on in the game, what is the story, what am I doing in this location, why am I even trying to kill that boss? It didnt matter that much, because Quest Helper did everything for me. I saw some people play Classic with addons and if they are plannig on allowing addons like Quest Helper I think Classic will fail.

[@trignite]

Even on retail before quest-helpers I'd just quickly scan for the location i need to go I paid pretty much 0 attention to the lore and even when I cleared BWL i had no clue about any of the lore behind the raids i had done. Quest Helpers were just a faster way for me to find where to go. Before people used thottbot now people have it ingame. I can see the added convenience making less people read the quests. But people who weren't going to read them anyway aside from quickly scanning for a location aren't affected. Vanilla is my favorite but still, i never gave a crap about the lore aside from snippets of boss dialogue etc.

[@neglesaks]

17:55 - BULLSHIT. Pandaria wasn't established lore, it's based on a fucking joke NPC from a secret level in W3. If anything Pandaria would be rock bottom, and WOD would be 3/4 down. Legion as well, by and large. Anyway, by the time they ressed Onyxia just to make her a punching bag, they showed that they were off the lore track. gg.

[@Evenflovv]

There is only One World.

[@valkyriesardo278]

I liked being a cog in the machine, a big reason to dislike WOD. My ego did not need every NPC in my garrison to salute me as I passed. Its a lie because its not possible for a player to make any real changes within the game world and so we cannot truly be heroes in the game. Khadgar kept sending you to break your neck while he twiddled his thumbs. And you knew all the while he could smash them with a spell. I did not like Blizzard killing off Admiral Taylor for an inconsequential quest hub. Blizz likes to say Azeroth is a character in itself, but its the NPC who give that world a voice and personality. Its the NPC that make you care and invest in the story. I still don't know why Blizzard found it necessary to kill Varian Wyrnn. I farmed way too many apples for his cider to let that go so easily. He welcomed my DK and my panda into the alliance. All of my toons still keep the Seal of Wrynn in their banks, that ring from an early quest chain. That was big moment for me back in the day. I still mourn for Southshore, Theramore, and Loch Modan. I will be glad to see them good as new in Classic and to see Varian live again.

[@Topcaleb]

Well either it gives you something to "Aspire" to or it completely breaks your spirit and makes you not want to play the game.

[@Anegor]

Good, can tell the strong willed from the weaklings that way

[@mercs7849]

While I agree on almost everything, I don't understand why ppl loathe cinematics. Cinematically, WoD was very enjoyable. It's the player-driven stories modern WoW lacks.

[@Exeeter1234]

Its because story driven in game cinematics is a form of forcing a narrative down the players throat vs letting a narrative develop organically over time. Cutscenes can help portray major events in a more detailed perspective but in wow by the time cutscenes went ham, players were placed at the center of these major events.

[@smokinbonez420]

I hate them because my character isn't in them. It just feels like I'm watching other characters have an adventure when I see the same npcs in 10 cutscenes

[@visraider3992]

Player driven story is not story. Story is scripted, and player actions in a video game are not scripted. Outside of roleplaying, there is no way to make a player-driven narrative because you wouldn't be able to create the relevant content around it. It's misleading to think that at any point in WoW the player has had any impact considering that the story is already written and you are essentially filling in the role of the generic footsolider being told by the actual characters in the story (NPCs) what to do.

[@Denstoradiskmaskinen]

The whole Ahn'Qiraj storyline, as they being intelligent, is a complete copy paste of Starship Troopers.. Denise Richards..

[@Flufferz626]

Also the endless Dune references.

[@DieKao]

The point he makes about Vanilla having this complex stories and things unfolding over time, foreshadowin etc. can also be made about FF14 imho. That game does a very good job of setting up story line over a very long time, with huge payoffs.

[@NoBuddy89]

Yeah, issue is, we have wowhead now and its collective sites. No matter how sparse the information is ingame, the same effect exists outside of the game. Get over it.

[@pascalf9602]

I MEMBER. Taking screenshots before entering the Dark Portal and RP walking in like a boss :D

[@Topcaleb]

Lol why would i put up with other peoples bullshit when i can do it alone by myself in peace and quite ya know.

[@rick5787]

Nah. Nobody gave a fuck about the story telling back then either. The whole thing about Heroic/Legendary gear and weapons is true. Lets be for real about what killed that. TRANSMOG. Tmog killed a big part of the game and lots of people would quit the game if they took it away. However it made a big part of the game irrelevant because now your character can look cool no matter if you play at a high level or not.

[@JJJ42069]

So that's why FFXIV is so good, I have no idea what the fuck the story is

[@AbzuLifeweaver]

That graph segment made me lose brain cells

[@ChatBot1337]

And when everyone's special, nobody will be. -Syndrome 2004

[@1stWorldProblemsSolved]

mod-free servers ftw

[@CinderPeltz]

I was thinking to myself that Dark Souls had the same appeal in that you're literally a nobody, and 10 seconds later he just says it straight up. It's such a good dynamic to build yourself on, I don't think anything appeals to me more in a video game than being disadvantaged as a character.

[@thedriver133]

And btw story telling went shit after mists og pandaria and well story shit has had a down fall after. TBC that se can thank activision for and all shit that has happen since LK is activision doing AS they came in late 2008 and they have put a shitty mark on wow ever since!

[@alinakki]

Question! How much money do you get from these videos?

[@MalhaIIa]

8:16 how much proof do people need that he's a cata baby.

[@HunterTSilver]

He has video of himself (and his mom) playing vanilla.

[@MalhaIIa]

@@HunterTSilver The term is used upon both new players and players who have experience limited to that which the current expansion represent. Usually it's just noob or newb, but proving that you are neither, just short of experience. Puts the baby in.

[@ClabClab]

@@MalhaIIa didn't know cata babies can play since vanilla and entertain thousands while making bank. Joke on you my guy, have fun baby raging on youtube comments

[@vanyadolly]

@@MalhaIIa No it's not lol.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Cool vid :D

[@Murkrust]

meh, that video was kinda stupid on the later half

[@thedriver133]

No quest helper yes ! Now you have to read 😂😂😂Omg the crybabys Will have a field day 😁 I am so glad i have my wow atlas in my book shelf 😂😂😂 And btw er used toottboot

[@michaelbalcazar3990]

thedriver133 there’s literally quest addons that will work for classic just as they did in Vanilla...

[@thedriver133]

@@michaelbalcazar3990 yes i know 😂 but alot Will not have IT . 😈😈

[@Bhetacarn]

vanilla was great because it was designed by everquest players...

[@Bhetacarn]

it had devs and raid leaders from EQ. and EQ was fucking amazing.

[@spooky_zen]

programmers r smart folk, Dega once said " an artist make his best work when he dousnt know what hes doing "

[@bowtoxical9327]

lore for wod O.o wow that's sad man

[@escobari]

wow you cog in the machine nobody, wow it's not like every fucking mmorpg since inception has told that story...

[@Theblockninja478]

*Virus & threat protection*

[@tombraider200571]

im sorry, calling a hero focused story unbelievable and lazy is a discredit to story telling and they shouldn't ever write a story in there life.