Asmongold Watches "World of Warcraft is Garbage - An Essay" by mash

Sub for more asmongold!
Go sub to Mash!
Original Video: • Video
Asmongold's Twitch: / asmongold
Asmongold's Twitter: / asmongold
Asmongold's KZbin: / vertualexchange
If you have any questions or concerns regarding this video please contact me at: [e-mail]

[@zengokigyh]

"It's not an RPG anymore, it's a collection game." Felt like a check mate to me.

[@Andrei-rp3dz]

"Some shitter is 17th DPS in a 10 man raid" I feel very attacked

[@mathomxo]

RPG went from meaning "role playing game" to "random prizes game"

[@vandannski]

"If I want to fight the Sha of Fear I go to therapy". 10/10 pure gold.

[@abilisha8460]

"It was more of a Sha of Boredom" 😂

[@Corrupted]

WoW wont recover, a lot of people quit and arent emotionally connected to it anymore. It actually felt good to quit wow, so much more time for all the great games out there.

[@MatthewBatsonizawesome]

I dedicated so many thousands of hours to WoW it physically hurt me to quit, but I felt better for doing so.

[@FogToo]

I quit about a year ago, and are still unable to find a game to invest in. Nothing gives me the same feeling that I got from playing WoW.

[@FogToo]

I honestly highly doubt it will. My first doubt is that a lot of people are looking at Vanilla with rose tinted glasses. A "new" vanilla will never live up to the old. Next thing is that who will play? I'm sure there will be some of the old rose tinted glasses wearers who might like it. But alot of the old players won't. That means new players who didn't try the vanilla experience, but only have the newer versions with all of the convinience included have to fill up some space. Again some might like it, some won't. A lot of it depends on which conviniences or how lifelike to the actual Vanilla experience and which patch version will be played on.

[@DiabeticNecromancer]

@@FogToo "Rose tinted glasses" There are private servers that let you experience any expansion you want and tons of people enjoy playing on them, I'm just waiting on Classic because there won't be corrupt bullshit developers and leads like there are for private servers.

[@Corrupted]

@French Frys you will be so disappointed lol

[@TrevorKeenAnimation]

17:07: - "Instead of a girlfriend, you get a nice mount!" He said that with a straight face!

[@archimedesbird3439]

mounts dont cheat

[@sexcannonmusic284]

@@archimedesbird3439 TRUE!

[@goshlike76]

@@archimedesbird3439 They don't cheat because you can't fuck em.

[@alexgonzalez556]

@@goshlike76 you just haven’t tried hard enough

[@Kro0Gr]

does anyone remember when you had PVP gear and you had to commit and when you saw the gear you knew not to mess with that person

[@justintime6967]

Hell yeah man thats my shit.

[@r_0_g_u_3]

exactly..now with transmog you don't even know what gear they use..i remember back in the days playing rogue seeing a warrior with full pvp gear...just wouldn't even dare get close to him"..and besides that...the fact that you get gear so easy is stupid, especially legendaries...LEGENDARY IS LEGENDARY..wtf Blizzard? now you get them so easy...seeing a warrior with Sulfuras was an mental orgasm back in the days

[@salmond7497]

Pvp vendors are coming back in shadowlands, not sure whether it will be good, but it will happen

[@AngelTyraelGM]

yes, then again i still decided to 1v1 them and somehow managed to win 1 time i still remamber it to this day xD

[@hollowman3227]

@@r_0_g_u_3 the fucked up legendary items in diablo 3 as well, when you received a legendary in d2 it actually legendary...

[@mitchy9673]

caught something in his twitch chat, someone said "You can't win if you can't lose" FACT and sums this video up nicely

[@them4309]

Depends what you mean by "win".

[@yaoshin1224]

"17th on DPS in a 10 man raid" xD

[@Ojfanta]

I wish world of warcraft was worth me waking up early in the morning to get a few hours of gaming in before work.

[@LinkenLorko]

I remember always getting up early to play before school. Now I'm not even subbed anymore.

[@theonewholost7651]

Rare to find a game like that anymore... On one hand you have story based games that you don't want to play in the morning because you want to be able to spend quality time on it... Those games are arguably as good, but it is rare to find a game anymore that you just want to play because you literally want to spend all of your time dedicated to the progression of the game. Whatever form that progression may take, story continuation, skill increases, unlocks... etc. For me, it went SOF, Unreal, PSO, FF10, Halo 2, CS:Source, WoW, Gears, Halo 3, CS:GO(kinda) It seems like the golden age of games has definitely gone away, but I will forever hold out hope that we will enter another one.

[@futavadumnezo]

@@theonewholost7651 Have you guys never heard of Guild Wars 2 ?

[@fakename8961]

The only games like that I find are 1 - Not pay to win games. 2 - Competitive games that reward being good at them. 3 - Games with something to work towards.

[@Banzaiwarriorr]

@@futavadumnezo you are probably new to asmongold and his followers if you are asking bout that

[@lstairvideos1330]

An rpg that has no mana management, and classes that don’t feel distinct from one another? What a shit game Nice mount tho

[@them4309]

The problem isn't the game, it's you. You grew up and you're not amused by cheap special effects and shallow rewards like digital swords, meaningless titles, "mounts" that can't even take you out of your bedroom, gold that you didn't earn and doesn't provide any real wealth or security, etc. You may as well complain to Lego manufacturers for not making a mature enough line of models for you. Or maybe the textile company that makes blankies, why isn't my blankie comforting and deeply rewarding??

[@scarnoir6566]

Dude you basically describe the modern real world there.

[@rashid2898]

@Hentai is an Art www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtml but not this game!

[@JabbarTV1]

I still remember my first steps in vanilla, a new orc hunter who doesn't even know how to equip arrows, befriended a female troll healer and we became kind of a play buddies, the first instance and the first rare, aah everything was amazing and fresh, another world were your real world doesn't matter

[@OliverGlandberger]

I love how after talking smack, 'Andrew G' decided to delete the comments that he posted on the original video, change his profile picture, and either delete or set-to-private all of his videos. What a guy.

[@LinkenLorko]

Who's Andrew G?

[@OliverGlandberger]

@Muso 54:07 It's at the very end of this video. The time stamp above will take you to when Asmon starts reading his comment.

[@skelletorjo3227]

LMFUCKING- AO

[@IgorkubMASTER]

He's hateful, but asmonmongs army will mindlessly go after him and harras him, it's not only the asmongold comment on the stream. If you would fuck up like him, you would do exactly like him to get away from spam and harrasment. I don't mean he's not in the wrong here, I'm just stating that children with no lifes, who follow big youtubers or streamers, can be a pain in the ass.

[@OliverGlandberger]

@@IgorkubMASTER To be honest, there are very few situations that would cause me to just delete all my shit and go into hiding. I stand for what I say. If I believe that I'm correct, then I'll debate whoever thinks I'm wrong; using arguments to defend my idea and/or what I've said. I am aware that a lot of people don't listen; the whole 'mindless' thing that you mentioned. But some will listen, and those are the people I would continue having a discussion with. The rest I would just ignore. With all that being said, if I had been in his shoes I would have instead realized I was wrong, I would have taken responsibility for what I said, and then apologized. It's perfectly normal to make mistakes. It's only a problem when you make the same mistake again.

[@amarjamakovic1222]

This guy has hit the nail on the head. I have played WoW since beta and have been a constant subscriber for years (with few months of downtime at max when I felt burned out) trough vanilla, TBC, WotLK and Cataclysm. In the second half of Cata, after the "Great NERF" I just put the game on the shelf, only renewing my subscribtion for expansion packs and big patch releases where I would max out my char. So I have been with this game trough all of it's high's and low's and I can without a moment of doubt say that the current game can't be called a MMORPG, maybe an ACTION game with pretty big lobbies, but not a MMORPG. It lacks all social and progressive aspects which made original WoW great. All classes are homogenized and all the RPG/lore elements of them have been sacraficed on altar of "fairness and balance", the world feels like an empty shell with more questgiving NPCs than players per zone because everyone is in towns LFRing to max level, the leveling content is too easy and doesn't require help of other players because every class is an overpowered Marry Sue. The current WoW feels like a third rate single player or loby based action game which requires constant monthly subscribtion. All I can hope is that with arrival of WoW classic the game can get a second chance and go with OSRS route of community feedback based development.

[@Kikkia2018]

"They wouldn't keep score because people would feel like they were losers." "Everybody has to watch everything they say, if they say something wrong somebody's gonna get mad on Twitter." This is exactly how the world works now. It's so depressing. I don't use social media anymore - all it is is people getting triggered over jokes. I can't imagine what the WoW Twitter and Reddit look like.

[@HbVki]

... sad

[@LordTactusMe]

What Blizzard needed is not a classic server, but a complete reboot of the game. With new gen systems having an old school community touch to them. At this point WoW is dead and obsolete as a game. P.S. Can't wait for classic servers to go live just to see the catastrophe of all the most dedicated players leaving the "newest" and "greatest" BfA expansion to play classic WoW.

[@Ontarianmm]

I would say to build it around competitive game balancing classes and having arena gear. Twitch and that kind of scene would change the game mostly for the better.

[@Soulessdeeds]

No. Not even close. The fact that you think a graphics improvement is the answer to the game dying is basically you saying you don't know anything about why the game is dying.

[@TheMrGeorgiatechfan]

Noooo cause when classic comes out people are still going to bitch about it. " omg the lighting is different in this room FUCK THIS FUCKING GAME"

[@zorvie7816]

@@Soulessdeeds You need to re-read his comment. "New gen systems having an old school community touch," meaning keeping the fundamentals of what made classic wow so good, but being refined and redone in a new game. Which of course may also have an update in graphics but that still wasn't at all what the point was. The P.S note even reinforces that the graphics wouldn't even play much of a factor by saying most players will be expected to quit the glamorous graphics of current wow, to go play the grainy classic version that they love. Honestly don't how you so confidently misunderstood his comment.

[@D3f0rm3d]

I can relate to "building the name for yourself" In early TBC I spent alot of time to get enchanter recipes(reputation, dungeons and raids) . Soon I realized I had a really decent collection of needed recipes and my name as enchanter started to spread in the server. I got a lot of whispers from random people in need of enchants and I worked for few guilds. That way I also made my money in the game through the tips and was able to afford 280% flying. ( and 280% for my alt instantly when lvl'd) Also made lots of friends through from just enchanting stuff and got invited to raids from different guilds

[@dakotalovespie]

Nowadays you just enchant a vellum and undercut each other off the AH with enchants that everyone learns from the trainer. It's so sad watching the interaction be taken from the game.

[@StarboyXL9]

See all of my time in MMO's I've never experienced a community like that. Born too late maybe lol. In my experience MMO's were always to big for you to have a real impact, too big for you to be distinguishable in that way, like a celebrity. It sounds kinda cool actually.

[@zorakandbrac]

same bro, i remember getting one of the first raid recipes in 2.1 on my server, like leather legs or some shit. over night i became highly sought after, it felt good that working hard on my LW and raiding rewarded me with a lucrative business opportunity and a little notoriety.

[@Gammaskalle]

Member grinding that Timbermaw rep for ages just for the 25agi on 2h.

[@rowlandbuck2703]

I really miss having a friends list for your server. Back in vanilla you always helped friends no matter what they were doing. Even if you didn’t get anything from the quest line they needed help with because you KNEW they had your back when you needed it.

[@xillursvlf]

I always thought to myself, "I love this game. I'll never stop playing it. I'll be playing it when I'm a fucking grandpa." My significant other would talk about our future and say, "Yeah, you'll grow out of that, and it will get old. Then we spend more time together." I would tell them, "I don't think I ever will." I love WoW. I grew up on WoW. It has been my safe place, my get away, and my home for many years. As of 2019... I've quit, and that, my friends, is something very sad. It's not worth the effort anymore. I used to be prideful about the game, it's now a shame. 4 months sober and counting! PepeHands NotLikeThis

[@BGkockata]

can always take a break and come back

[@NilsKHillier]

Oldschool runescape is the game to play imo

[@xillursvlf]

@@NilsKHillier I've played it. Not a fan.

[@FimbongBass]

@@NilsKHillier runescape is complete garbage

[@NilsKHillier]

Wonders nah it’s amazing

[@moomah5929]

As someone starting WoW with the US beta and playing it as a raider til the beginning of Cata and afterwards only on and off, I feel the same. At the beginning even getting the epic mount was an archivement that made you feel accomplished. I met so many people while leveling (quests actually needing groups for elite mobs) and doing dungeons that I continued playing with for years to come, while now you are lucky to get a "Hi" and "bye". Back in Vanilla you knew people and they knew you. Good reputation made them come asking to join their dungeons runs again. Even people you didn't know might have heard about you from others. I was running UBRS and suddenly got a wispered, asking if I want to join their ZG raid. Later I joined their guild and continued raiding with them all the way though MC, BWL, AQ20/40 and into Naxx40. Farming resistance gear together Maraudon to get Nature Resistance gear for AQ40 and so on. It felt so great defeating Ragnaros or Nef for the first time, turning in Nef's head in SW, having the NPC yell out my name across SW, giving everyone a sweet 2h buff. The people I was running dungeons with asked me later, if I would join their PVP group that went all the way up to Grand Marshal, which I declined because grinding ranks was boring for me. But still, I never pvped with them before but because they knew me from dungeons runs they came asking. Also people actively asking for other to join groups, flying and riding together to the dungeon entrances made the game feel so much more alive then standing around, waiting for LFG, LFR and so on. I also remember the frist XMas where you could transform into gnomes, where hundreds of players transforming and marching together through Ironforge Polonaise style (in a long line). Or server games like hundreds of people creating naked level 1 gnomes and running from IF to Booty Bay at the same time, many of them becoming monster food on the way. Still I think Naxx40 killed many guilds and BC already didn't feel the same anymore. Like the guy said, all my guildmates and the people I was playing with left the game already years ago. I don't think that WoW Classic will be able to bring back the good times as most people won't return, the playerbase changed and/or got spoiled rotten and I fear there won't be proper server communities like back in the day. Btw, I don't like cross-realm zones and so on. I like transmogs and mounts but funny enough, most of the skins I like are from Vanilla up to Ulduar. Alar's Ashes are on another level. Heard the stories of raid/guild leaders ninjaing the Ashes and leaving. About the islands: I only did the tutorial one and was already bored out of my mind. "Oh look, another way to grind the arbitary resource called Azerite instead of artifact power like the xpac before..."

[@TheMrRedavenger]

All about the social part of the game.. the game has turn into a "single player" experience. You don't need other people. 😶

[@wiccapowerify]

RedAvenger that’s good. I hate teamplay

[@TheOfficialSethos]

@@wiccapowerify Then stop fucking playing an MMO you dunce.

[@TeamAKAZ]

@@wiccapowerify go play something else asshole

[@Ecliptor.]

I don't think wow can recover from this. Because, even if the game gets better, not many will come back.

[@zorashki]

That's the reality, you are 100% right.. it doesn't matter what they do or remove.. it's not going to have 12million subs like 2008.. It just won.t

[@Sevier7777]

Yep it doesn't matter what they do at this point. It's a continued spiral ride to the bottom of the toilet and they are headed there fast. It could get better if they made a ton of good changes but they won't be getting back the players they once had.

[@No_OneV]

Activision thought they're gonna rape players and they're not gonna do anything about it. Guess what, they were wrong. This ain't 2009 anymore and there are plenty of mmos to choose from.

[@bananamuntcher]

@@No_OneV high quality mmos like wow? Got any recommendations?

[@No_OneV]

@@bananamuntcher Oh i'm not arguing that wow isn't high quality, it is but from the business point of view players are getting abused. As for the games, I got into guild wars 2 myself a few weeks ago, i like it so far but the combat system is a little off for me, also tried eso online which i liked alot and will probably come back to it eventually. Black desert is a grindfest unless you're into that sort of stuff. Final fantasy is huge right now with very intruging story telling with new players flooding in. I think at least one of these 4 will stick with you if you're willing to try it. Can't speak for other mmos cuz i haven't tried them yet.

[@galloviking4766]

FF14 player here, just wanted to know why there is so many so-called "WoW refugees"... Well damn, I understand now.

[@John_1-1_in_Japanese]

Really wanted to play FF14 but didn't feel like putting money into another monthly subscription MMO. And the low character limit/class swapping thing kinda turned me off. My adorable tutorial account Lalafell will just have to rot away, I guess~

[@galloviking4766]

It's fine, that's what Lalafells deserve.@@John_1-1_in_Japanese

[@crocopde]

btw I try FF14 and Guild war 2 . I have to say weebs aesthetic. I use to play WoW every day for 4 years never ever though about quitting played the game every day . Now i just log in Dark Souls 3 to pvp once in a while. Japan make great theme like Berserk and Dark Soul. THE QT QT QT IS TRASH FK OFF FUCKING WEEBS . every body as angel wing ffs FUCK OFF. Its all qt and full of color FUCK OFF.

[@daltontaylor825]

@@crocopde That's what you got AFTER editing? Jesus...

[@eebrohim7001]

@@crocopde play osrs

[@Zulfar-bd9tc]

"I hope that blizzard didn't spend a lot of time developing the mission table" I mean, if WoD was any indication...

[@gingy9788]

I wasn’t a raiding person back in cata I enjoyed bgs, and that I had honour points to spend on a piece of pvp gear that was an upgrade now it’s all rng based and is pisses me tf off... just remember pvp gear doesn’t even exist anymore :(

[@MikasaaOW]

Sam Wise how is it rng? Do rated pvp you see what you get and it scales according to rating.. lol?

[@gingy9788]

Official Beetrill yeah I understand that but that’s still RNG it’s completely random on what piece of gear I’m going to get even fucking weapons.. I don’t have any agency as a player, I can’t work towards a specific item upgrade I have to wait and see what The magical RNGesus gives me

[@aauu11]

remember when you had pvp vendors where you could get gear that gives you resilience or even pvp power oh those times and even weapons with arena rating and better shoulders and head

[@gingy9788]

Seppo Tiileskivi those were the days man

[@MikasaaOW]

geo are you familiar with the new sinister gladiator trinkets? I wanted them. I rbgd for 14 games and had both at the end. If you want something or want specific stats just uh play the game 💀

[@Unf0rget]

A casual game that was always casual suddenly starts invalidating things casuals like me enjoyed ,crafting and leveling and pvp where giant gear gaps werent around, and focusing on trying to get casuals into the hardcore parts of the game. And now the game is more simplified than ever and they still havent gotten casuals to become mythic raiders. Or even heroic raiders. And how much stuff has been cut and made worthless to try and get there? The game sells more xpacks than ever because more people pay attention to it now but they sustain fewer subscriptions than ever because all of the other avenues of fun and engagement have been obliterated. Not everyone wants to do the exact same monotonous gear grind and thats all modern wow wants any element of its game to contribute to. Beside pet battles. When devs dont understand what people enjoy about the game they destroy what consumers like about the game. People like modern wow, but there were more things to like in wow pre wod when crafting and alt leveling was still alive and well. More things to like means more reasons to stay subscribed.

[@patientness3502]

Yknow, it’s funny that my whole life I wanted to play WoW and never got a chance to until WoD. When I was younger, my family was way too poor to afford internet, and bought me TBC without knowing that WoW was an online only game. It made me really sad when I was a little kid, and I never got to experience the game at some of its best times. When I got to college in 2015 I had bought WoD and tried to play it, and I tried to really get into the game as best I could. I spent maybe a hundred or two hundred hours on the game before quitting. I felt no desire to get into World of Warcraft as it is now. I always looked forward to my grand entrance into the series, and I looked forward to this game as I looked forward to Diablo 3 on release. Both titles disappointed me massively, and I decided to just quit playing both (I spent more time playing D3 though). What I’m trying to get at is that I wish I had it in me to play WoW, but I’m never going to become a player. I feel that the sentiments Asmongold and the OC have are well-founded. I shouldn’t play WoW and I should let the game progress to a state that it naturally deserves to be in. In the end, I don’t have any interest in how the design philosophy currently is. The game is far too inclusive and I could tell that if I spent time on it I would not feel as satisfied as I might have been when this game was actually good, according to others. I have watched nearly every one of Asmongold’s videos, without even being a player myself. It’s kind of strange if you think about it.

[@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379]

Try vanilla man, even if its just for a lil its 3x as good as BFA or WoD

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

12:00 just watch Asmon's reactions right until the punchline. Golden.

[@revs9623]

Remember when Barons mount was a .02% drop, and it was just a recolor but man if you had it, you were super cool?

[@richarddunn9896]

Yeah. For horde but allies it was a smelly horse. Same could be said for ZG tiger mount.

[@martinivanov1319]

it was completely unique tho. as the other guy said, same with zul gurub tiger. alli didnt have skeletal horses and horde didnt have tigers. i think there was a raptor too from zg. i think i even still remember the name of the tiger... zulian tiger

[@Hunterslammer]

I would’ve much preferred a “instant exalted” vs an instant 110 for the purchase of BFA tho tbh. It’s easy to lvl but rep grinds are lammmmeeees

[@KN_Dingowarrior]

Thakamis is an alternate name I recieved 'In Real-Life' that was used between my Closest Friends and my Brother's. A *Tauren Warrior* that was Born 3 months before the Burning Crusade Expansion had Released. I'll never forget that Experience.

[@facundomoralesdiorio3802]

I can as a former officer and raid leader, Hit cap and expertise made the game SUPER interesting to me during Cata. I remember helping my guild members to improve their DPS, inspecting their gear and asking them "Are you capped on hit and expertise?" and tell them what to reforge.

[@sunset2365]

The journey vibe on "Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past" on the SNES was really satisfying as a kid. I miss those days.

[@1MoreTurn]

Remember everyone, in classic there were professionals, career peoples, moms, dads, kids playing wow.

[@fatslapper49]

Wrong, it was all basement dwelling losers that never left the house.

[@fatslapper49]

@Fille S adjust your sarcasm meter 😋

[@johnathanera5863]

@@xMorbidArtx yeah. And bet they stopped playing wow once they decided to do something with themselves huh lol. Really bad Argument my freind

[@styxzero1675]

@@xMorbidArtx Sarcasm is pretty much impossible to read in letters. Since in order to understand if something is sarcasm or not you need to hear the tone of the persons voice. There are actually peoples who belive and preach the exact thing fatslapper49 was joking about. And since we dont know him at all how would we know he was being sarcastic? makes no sense.

[@amaziahofjudah9722]

yeah, but most of them were from western markets, and at the time very profitable. blizzard is a company, an entity with the single purpose of making money, there might be really passionate workers there, but its only function is to please the shareholders. with changing market demographics, specifically, the Chinese market being so lucrative it's in their interest to cater to it. story elements don't translate well, organizing even to play a game is seen as kinda subversive, because gaming is seen as this degenerate waste of time and well dictatorships and organizing don't mix well and therefore unpopular. stop crying a river when companies do what they are meant to do. if you truly wanted there to be other goals than profit in economics you should get politically involved, but gamers crying about 'bad companies' without understanding the systemic causes is just boring at this time. you cannot expect a multimillion-dollar corporation to truly care about art and then play offended snowflake when the company ends up taking as much money as they can get from you, for their minimal effort, with a mediocre​ product as the result.

[@klassicAG]

That point about the mage tower was big. I remember it being the only thing in Legion that I finished and was like "shit that was hard" and actually felt proud of myself

[@Laenthal]

The game tries to keep up with the industry. Classic MMOs were slow for good reason. But nowadays gaming businesses wrestle for players' time, so MMOs have to keep upping the speed of players' sense of progression. Hence Artifact Power bits/Azerite and accessible loot randomizers everyday.

[@Pikopati]

I think this can be less painful and more clear if it is called by his real name: Activision Blizzard. Every time you will refer to the current one use that name but for the old one who made mastapisesss call it Blizzard.

[@Spika94]

I am a casual player, and always has been. Cosmetics and mounts is something I really don't give a shit about. There has been times where I really wanted a mount, but that is very few specific mounts. So content like this is really dull for me, which is why I have not even bought this expansion. I know the only thing that has some worth is cosmetics and mounts, but that is not what I seek, so there is no point playing anymore.

[@Jdmsword14]

bro expansions been out for months and you haven't even played and you say content like this is dull for me :D

[@Spika94]

@@Jdmsword14 I have been following the news and stuff very closely, I can clearly tell that the expansion is bad. The gear progression is the same or even worse than Legion, and I found Legion to be extremely dull too, and I played Legion. I hated the artifact system, I hated the catch up mechanics. The stupid shit where you got more artifact power every week made it so I couldn't care about it because if I just waited a week I could get it easier, but why just wait a week? I might as well wait several months and I would still be just as powerful as everyone else. And when it comes to gearing, you are just handed out gear for doing nothing, and this is even worse in BFA where you literally just stand still or run in a circle and you get rewarded 345 gear or 370 gear from the quest, and they can titan forge into the best gear in the game. Like why the hell should i even bother wasting my time with this? "you don't have to do that content" is what people would say, but that is the dumbest shit you can say. Of course I would do it, if I had that gear, getting more of it becomes even easier in the other content. Oh, and professions makes me laugh. What a joke of a system. I used to really care about professions, but whatever you craft takes so God damn long that you are sure to replace it immediately after with some titan forged gear.

[@CrZ0004]

@@Jdmsword14 you dont have to play the game to know that its shit.. especially if you follow it pretty closely and have played b4

[@newchaoticorder5372]

You are exactly what they are hoping will be the biggest sheeps of them all and hope you'll just dish out big cash for these things while others grind their life literally away for hours and hours and days and days for a mount. You get the mount in 1 second with a 20 dollar purchase. You are broke. They are depressed and stressed. This is what is killing wow. The entire game is obsolete. It needs to be something else.

[@Reno]

@@newchaoticorder5372 Good point.

[@CaptainTittus]

there is no "ohhh that's how that works" moment if it so accessible by anyone that anyone can pick up and play it, it becomes unrewarding whats the point in climbing a mountain if the road is flat and there is no such thing as "climb" learn the mechanics that's the climb being able to master something that's difficult but not out of reach

[@Flipd_TV]

I remember in Anarchy Online years ago when it first came out we would all sit at I think it was in Tier and look for groups. Everyone knew each other and when that one enforcer came in with that epic piece of armor from the Temple it was so bad ass. In classic we used to hang out outside of the horde and dual each other and talk and everyone got to know each other. That whole sense of community is just not there anymore

[@GBarr_11]

Exclusivity drives desire. Strong words. If everybody can be the “hero” and get all the gear, defeat all the bosses and complete all the hard content with relative ease, then what’s the point of playing? If it’s not hard to do the reward is much much less and hence people are quitting the game.

[@growingupwiththeo6142]

I'm watching this September 2019, what's funny is IHOP started making burgers :D which he talks about around 7:20

[@THRAKORZOD]

Ihop has always had burgers dude

[@MIngalls]

@@THRAKORZOD But a while back, they really started advertising it. They were even changing their name to IHOB "international house of burgers", but decided against it. Which, might have just been a media stunt for advertisement but yeah, either way, same point.

[@THRAKORZOD]

@@MIngalls Yeah it was a fucking advertisement campaign

[@Boomerrage32]

You know... I've never really thought about this before, but I do still remember it. The day I quit WoW (only to sporadically return, at the express request of friends), was when the last patch of TBC came out. They nerfed the health of all the bosses, which made it so my guild took down like 8 new bosses in Black Temple. Despite loyally being there for progress runs in Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, Magtheridon's Lair, Serpentshrine Cavern, Tempest Keep, Zul'Aman and Mount Hyjal, I remember not attending that raid, because I just wasn't feeling up to it. I asked myself, what the point was, when all we'd do would be playing on easy mode. I did come back in Wrath, but I hated every moment of it.

[@griff5638]

man i remember the mage tower, finally beat that ugly fat thing and got my blue cat form on my druid... made me feel like a badass, especially considering that it literally took me multiple weeks worth of attempts to complete... really good content

[@Erik-co6of]

I was server famous back in wotlk, people would send me letters, and I would get whispers from people who heard of me. Now I am a nobody, a number among numbers.

[@RodMyGod]

Funny how people were nobodies back then but there were those heros on the server, and now everyone is a hero but in the end everyone is a nobody.

[@znightowlz6585]

A B what's cool is that you could BE a hero. Unlike skyrim where you defeat Alduin and Miraak and people still go "huh, you're pretty puny. Bet I could beat you with my eyes closed"🙄😂 too bad a game like WoW relies on the community for all those things to be immersive, and communities die out eventually😢 either the fame dies or the game does.

[@herberthans7015]

I was famous for killing any noobs in the strangle arena in classic and in tbc everyone knew me for talking shit in the trade chat, being one of the pro guilds maintanks and a successful pvp player, but most of all I was sort of an entertainer. I got most of the fame because I was the first person with ashes of alar on my server but all the players in the pro guilds either knew me for talking crap all day or for being a good tank. the part of my reputation I was most proud of was the fact that everyone came to me for help or advice, one night I was bored so I carried a noob warrior who had 1 single epic item and whose gear was far worse than t3 to 1750 rating in 2s, another night I would hear about noobs struggling in karazhan and just randomly join their raid out of boredom which made these guys so happy (BiS t6 geared tank, feral druid, it took some skill but I could tank up to 10 targets, keep aggro and had like twice as much HP as a tank with their item level, so I could carry people hard), and the sickest nights where those when I decided to take 20 friends with me and raid an enemy city. we would go out with only druids and rogues and one single priest. there would be 10 pvp geared enemies seeing a single priest and running after him just to run into an ambush and see their entire group get completely obliterated within 2-3 seconds by this... ninja clan... and some pussycats... the guys who went with me on those raids made clear that it was the most fun experience they ever had in the game. the most intense experience would be a 40vs40 open pvp fight in the blackrock or the hundreds of people fighting in the hellfirepeninsula right after the portal was opened and the zone was full. but the most fun experience was to surprise the enemies in their own city with this entire ninja (rog/dru) raid, as they called in more and more backup we started distracting them and misleading them in front of the gates while we hit the auction house etc.. eventually there were about 50-100 top notch enemies looking for us and barely any of us were killed while we made hundreds of kills.

[@SuppositionalBox]

@@RodMyGod Lends credence to Asmongolds example of exclusivity. In the end, it was better for everyone lol

[@carodar34]

i feel the same thing like u i was the antihero nobody need but everybody wants. the metabreaker. i tanked in classic wow the 10man raids with my ele shaman and was the unloved deathknight Tank the 20k dps frostknight who go competetive against a Hunter who got heroic raid gear and i used pvpgear. ^^

[@felsenstern]

Ask a vanilla PVP Player who enjoyed casual BGs before Blizzard forced PVE scrubs who hated to do PVP in here. PVP-Bots where the direct result.

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

easy way to explain this=WoW is holding onto the edge of a cliff as it dangles off it and every year after the WOTLK came out they are slowly losing their grip on the cliffs edge. Legion managed to allow them to pull themselves up onto the ledge but then BfA came out and WoW slipped right back off it and back to dangling off the cliff edge.

[@tinyoceancloud]

As someone who started playing during lockdown this really rings home for me. The double XP gain, the easy gold gain, getting gear from every quest even though the vast majority of that gear is a downgrade from the gear I already have. So boring, and beacuse of that I don't want to buy the most recent expansion because why should I spend +£40 on a game that is boring, with a story I feel disconnected from. I even watched videos to try and understand the story but it's impossible when I'm rushed through each expansion. So I got a character to level 92 with causal day to day play, never played more than 30% of the expansions I was pushed through, and there was never any point to do dundgeons and raids because I knew I would outlevel that gear within a few hours/days. There was no point doing dungeons and raids from a story perspective because I only play so much of each expansion before I outlevel everything. Absolutely disappointing.

[@jimquinn799]

Thought for the day. I'm enjoying WOW Classic. Taking my time and playing solo for the very most part because it comes naturally to me. I was told that solo play in Classic was or is very close to I,possible so I found that to be the challenge I excepted:). I don't want a fancy car or title in real life. Don't want a trophy. Don't want to max my character but try and make my Main and Alts viable. It's good enough you see. I will help others when I see someone in trouble and if someone asks ill group. However I don't ask to group. If someone asks me to join I guild I say sure but I don't really know how a group will do anything I feel I need. Still I'm having fun. I'm not a good typist so communicating that way is clumsy at least for me, but would love to communicate just by talking which seems natural to me. I'm having fun slowly leveling my Main and Alts as I build each Alts unique professions and use all profession to help each character as I keep their levels more or less equal. So while I'm not following the supposed plan still I'm enjoying myself:) I'm not looking to show off just be good enough to survive. That's my victory.

[@Zasheir_]

when it takes you 1hr to watch a 21 min video.

[@williamlindstrand4983]

and you're still too lazy/disrespectful to link the original video

[@marcowashere1615]

@@williamlindstrand4983 except he did

[@Anfallhund]

William Lindstrand bruh

[@mortenjusk]

well, if you wanna watch the original, go watch the original. if you want to hear asmons opinion to the video, it takes 1 hr

[@achxd]

@@williamlindstrand4983 ?????????? he didn't upload it

[@ZomgLolPants]

can confirm mounts are shallow. i have violet spellwing and i havent even done mythic plus because one of my friends was like "here, tag along for this"

[@KillerXoX]

This really reminded me of that video Simon Sinek did on "The Millennial question". It'd be interesting to see Asmon react to that.

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

"tell them only that the Lich King is dead, and WoW died with him"

[@mahchestro9144]

I love people who claim WoW is dead. I log on and 20k people online lel. Sure... dead game. No one playing.

[@balancebreaker1561]

@@mahchestro9144 in a way thats not what they mean but the spirit of the game, soul, and even tho the player base still big lots of hardcore real fans have quit, and a game withoul soul is just fated to die

[@ojblackcat5286]

15:10. The players don't know what they want. Perfectly said. If the smart thing to do was to give people what they thought they wanted then Henry Ford would have made faster horses. He gave them what they didn't know they wanted. Think about it.

[@JesusProtects]

So the game offers the same fun stuff that it offered before?

[@LycanWitcher]

That's the solution.. lock the levels and talents behind a patch wall.. next expansion has you level from level 60 to 70.. but in 9.0 you can only level 60-62, 9.1 62-65, etc.. People join an expansion max out their character then fall off the face of the planet until the next level grind with the next expansion.. so using Blizzard/Activision logic, Blizzard should timelock the leveling process behind the content patches.

[@KenjiVdusc]

We played hockey at PE and never tracked the score... It was about the physical activity, running, swinging and so... cool thing was, it was pretty rough most at the times

[@kiffe22]

"You don't just have an egg sandwich out of nowhere. Think about it." - Asmongold Jan. 2019

[@tylersguide]

yO REMEMBER WHEN A GAME WAS COMING OUT AND YOU SAW IT WAS FROM BLIZZARD AND YOU KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE AWESOME... WHAT HAPPENEDDDDDDD

[@klarnorbert]

Activision bought Blizzard, original lead devs left Blizzard years ago, etc...

[@tylerwitte714]

Most people won’t remember... but pre-beta wow had talked about a different end game. When you reached 60, you would start at level 1 hero as a totally different prestige class. Like a Warrior could because some type of hero class, and all the classes would have different hero classes.

[@johntud]

I used to draw admiring crowds in vanilla Ironforge, who would gaze in wonder at my full BWL set. Great days, never to return.

[@christianmyers7386]

I love how he chose the name, “Spook”

[@audiogarden21]

His reaction when he sees himself is pure... asmonGOLD. :D

[@TwilightAdvance]

Funny thing, i kept building my server reputation for 2 years during wotlk. I kept forming PUG raids and i gained so much good reputation (except some Finnish guilds called Finnish design and Electric wizards whom tried to stain my name for "stealing loot", yeah it was someone in same party as me who did it and he throw some of that stolen loot from Sartharion. But my good reputation overwhelmed this) It went as far that people from top guilds joined into my PUG raids because they knew i kept going even if people left, i always spend hours to form new groups and assigned new raid days if enough people chose that it is late and they must go. Good things come to people whom do not betray their allies, i cleared ICC 25man as a PUG raid which i consider a decent achievement to do (Though it was done with that 3rd buff in place if i remember correctly). Reason why i never joined into any raid guilds was because those whom i spend time to write proper apply they treated me and my achievements with my PUG raids like a trash. Downplaying the amount of clear i had with PUG raid infuriated me since it required more effort than what their guild raids did. But obviously they kept themselves in a higher standard than what i was and i sure as hell were not going to take it. Some people whom raid on guilds have extremely toxic elitist attitude and i cannot stand it. I had decent amount of clears i had the gear to raid on HC but for some reason that was not enough to them, i had to be treated like a dog and they assumed i should beg from them to accept me to be a part of their elitist club... Maybe i was picking the wrong guilds or they had the worst people handling recruitment... Well one time there was actually guild leader himself talking to me from skype and he was total asshole.

[@22locor]

The only issue I had with BIS gear would be when you got to time-gated content (e.g. heroics, raids). If you didn't get your piece, you logged off for a day/a week to try again. I like having some variety in my gear, but I didn't like having to get specific pieces before I could advance. Best case you had people that would "carry" you.

[@shawnstephens6795]

Asmongold is right...Mage tower amazing...THEN IT WAS REMOVED!!! That's the main problem with WoW...expansions are basically ruined as the game grows...an "expansion" should have ZERO EFFECT on the previous expansion. In other words Classic shouldn't be coming back...it should have never left!!!

[@dwarfgod163]

I miss being addicted to this game.

[@LeDore38]

Never had those participation trophies (outside of some goodies at the end of a bike race or whatever). I don't really think they're that common in France, even today. But when I was like 12, I went to a regional fencing event spaning the week-end, we were grouped in two persons teams and after a day of matches, were placed in 8 different brackets of similar level. My mate and myself qualified on the best bracket, and managed to get second place the next day. But when they did the trophy ceremony, they gave the exact same medal for each bracket without ordering or anouncing them. Basically, we would get the same medal as the slow kid who got second in the bottom bracket without any distinction. I saw it coming and being the little dipshit I was, I convinced my pal and the two wining kids to refuse the medal if we didn't get distinguished in any way, the thirds refused. And when the guy started to give us medals like every other kid, I said him that if I was going have the same chocolate medal as the loser, I'd rather have nothing and we left the podium and the winning kid screamed that we were the real winners and that the other were fake. Was both fun and awkward and the organiser looked really mad.

[@Togairu]

Hit cap and expertise were an awesome part of the game. Accuracy is a stat that is used in many aspects of competition, whether gaming or real life. It's because if you look at a boxer and he has insane accuracy it says something about his skill. But no boxer has 100% accuracy. Missing is one of the things that made your character "human."

[@russianbot2179]

Hit rating and expertise was stupid because of how restricting it was. For example, you could kill a powerful boss and get a rare piece of gear, but if it lacked hit rating or expertise, you could not equip it because you absolutely needed to be hit capped. ALSO, if you went OVER the hit/expertise rating, it was completely wasted stats!! Two awful scenarios that happened to everyone far too frequently with those poorly designed stats.

[@Leathal]

Russian Bot can’t speak for other classes, but as an AQ40 clearing/Naxx progressing mage in vanilla all it usually meant was adjusting my talent tree a bit. Granted it was a bigger deal in MC and early BWL where hitting 16% (I think that was spell hitcap?) was aggravatingly difficult

[@mikerodrigues9822]

JC/Enchants/Talents...so many ways to come back to the cap.

[@JPtube1298]

@@mikerodrigues9822 agreed. It wasnt even that big of a deal. You maybe had to camp on 1 peice of gear until you got another with stats to shuffle it with.

[@morenojames5868]

16:10 "You gotta earn it over time! ... And instead of a hot girlfriend, you get a mount" HAhaha I get his point but you gotta see how this is pretty indicative of stereotypes having a grain of truth

[@poorpriest4549]

Fun thing, when arena was released in TBC - I started to logon only for playing arenas, never cared for pve or making a lot of friends I had like 6 friends, and the only time when I was doing pve content - was the end of WotLK and once I getted my hands on needed trinkets and gear - I was like "It's time to only pvp again". Man, when I think about it - every addon I played, when the initial grind was over (leveling my char, professions, getting starting gear, dropping some weapons from dungeons) - the game was becoming some kind of session game. Even in TBC, I remember how I was logging into the game - group with my 2 friends - go to arena master and playing arenas for 4 - 5 hours, then logoff. 12 years of only playing pvp, lul. Now the only reason why I hate WoW - my fav spec is shit in pvp.

While watching this, I can nod and relate to when we had world first on AQ40, Naxx and into TBC... That made the entire game really worth playing, because you actually got something for your hard work which NOBODY else had... Entering Orgrimmar actually made one feel like you were gazed upon, and you actually were by many, and it made you feel like you achieved something in the game... You had items which nobody else had compared today when everybody has the same shit, and if you dont have it, you just transmog some shit to look like it... The point being is that you got rewarded and you ranked above others... But in todays nanny state, it is frowned upon by standing over others... Everybody must be equal, and that is the whole damn point of everything that is wrong with wow and so many other games and irl.. Nobody is equal, there never has been, and there never will be... Sigh.. Just thinking about the good old days makes one sad, but also happy to quit and having to endure the shit state that wow is in today.

[@sebasbabou12]

personally, character creation then progression and being solo makes me a great thief i'll put 15 dollars on that

[@my-king]

Back in Burning Crusade and Wrath I LOVED and ENJOYED getting gear for Twinks. I dont think I ever had more fun doing that since. Finding that bit of hard to find gear kept me so hooked. I play now still, but it is not the same game. I do think it is impossible with current internet to ever have it the same though. We kill our own franchises sadly.

[@Neocasturn]

King I feel the same exact way as far as twink gear goes. Honestly, playing pures in OSRS has completely scratched that itch. Everything people miss about vanilla, osrs has to offer. It’s a well protected and well loved game. Give it a peep

[@my-king]

@@Neocasturn I have tried. I just cant get into it. I think it is just the graphics tbh. I know it isnt everything, but for me theyre just too bad to get my mind around. Funny that I didnt think that when I first played it. I hope Classic can give me that feeling again. I play WoW now but since Classic came out I find it hard to play Live WoW as it all feels pointless now

[@oblivexx]

5:00 - Demon Souls, then Dark Souls (I did not look at wikipedia)

[@piad2102]

This is why fever play instruments than before. They can’t be bothered to learn stuff.

[@flippingkg1467]

OMG This video was great specially the end where Asmon reads the last comment...LMAO!!!!!

[@erick_ac]

Literally ROFL when he showed that guy's channel video lmao

[@Raivazz]

Bring back TBC and everyone will be happy again. Talent Trees were amazing, leveling was fun, community was amazing, dungeons were fun, gearing was fun, trying out different builds was fun, getting your first mount was fun. Your first blue item and then eventually your first epic item! Working on your professions and farming mats. Interacting with your guild and other people you met while leveling. Back then you knew who were the best players on your server. You knew who had the most gear and the biggest D on your server. You had something to look up to. You admired those who came into OG with T5/T6 gear. People were /dancing in OG and having fun with each other.... I lost all those emotions after Wotlk. That's why I'm enjoying private server TBC rn. I love WoW but not in it's current state.

[@ShellYoung]

TBC made a mistake with flying mounts. World PvP, journey, exploration are dead with flying mounts.

[@amateurishauthor2202]

The only raids I was able to do was the Cata ones, as I played roughly halfway through Cata's lifespan (to pandera) and I never got to play the other raids, I wanted to fight Archemond, I wanted to fight the Lich King, but I didn't get to do any of that as it restricts players to having a high armor rating before being allowed too, by the time I was at the end of cata I wasn't allowed to do those raids due to my armor level being too high

[@ZeroTheHeroGOAT]

The best memory of WoW was going from a Clown Suit to Dungeon Set 1 and realizing the Clown Suit was arguably stronger and upon realizing that setting out to make the dungeon set Tier 0.5. Great days. I never deleted that set. At the time I first got the Darkmantle Armor on my Rogue, I was basically overpowered. It took time, effort and a lot of help from friends whom in turn you helped back. In the group of "friends" (people I've never actually met) we were a Norwegian (me, Rogue), a Polish guy (Warrior), a Turk (Druid) and two Britons (Shaman and Hunter). We had real fun getting ready for raiding and PvPing while waiting for the rest of the guild to get ready. The PvP in very good gear was the reward for being persistent and it also rewarded raid spots for getting even better gear. My wife was pretty happy when I quite WoW, though.

[@moyga]

Yep, the two biggest factors are the removal of social prestige and the removal of the pressure to socialise. Both of these things were done to cater to the same group of people, the worst people in the game who dominate the general forums. They don't want to try to get better at the game but they dont want to feel worse than anyone else or for anyone else to have anything they don't and they also dont want to need to talk to anyone or socialise. People are motivated in MMORPGs by social prestige, just like in real life, in order for rewards to have any social prestige and therefore feel rewarding, they need to be difficult to obtain and rare. In order for one player to feel social prestige, some players need to be able to feel and show that they are better than other players, that means some players need to feel a lack of social prestige and that other players are better than them. If you remove that social hierarchy, nothing feels rewarding. The core loop of motivation, effort, reward has been removed from the game. The other huge part is that the game used to require socialising to succeed and people would organically make friendships, now the game actively facilitate not being social and not making friends as much as possible. Server community is gone.

[@Skepsikyma]

I agree with you that the attitude is bad, but i wouldn't call the people who hold it bad. They are molded by the current state of the game. As the video points, out, content is bottom and top heavy now, with more e-sports-esque content at the top tiers and a bunch of afk content at the bottom tier. So people at the bottom tier who want to progress have no stepping stones. As someone who has been playing since BC, I've had a few irl friends who started recently tell me that they're terrified to do a real raid because they feel like they have none of the skills for it. When we started playing, as you leveled the game trained you to do things like not standing or fire or pulling things by punishing you for doing them with damage, death, and a little bit of ribbing from people on a small server where reputation mattered. And you quickly learned and matured because of it, and developed skills like mana management, moving out of damaging abilities, a dps rotation, gear priority before you got to endgame. A healer likely had a system down and the addons to heal well. A tank learned to understand dungeon layout and where to pull mobs. And since community was more important, people would mentor you to make learning these things easier. Your guild was more than just obligatory for the perks, it was the people whom you played with regularly. The people playing now have had none of this. They leveled through AFK content, and never had that sense of community. I'm sure a good number of genuinely nasty people joined the game (they always do), but the worst thing about these systems is that they turn your average player into someone who doesn't have the skillset needed in any sort of challenging content, creates a highly stratified content divide with nothing to do, and then uses their resentment to justify its own existence. They systems of the game put them into a catch 22, and that's just another reason why the system is horrible. It self-perpetuates by ruining players.

[@BekantRC]

You can still play the game "the social way". But do you do that? I guess not.

[@moyga]

@Coldwine - Yeah definitely, they removed the difficulty curve that used to exist in the game. I was eased into difficult in the game, during its original design. While questing in vanilla I had to learn how to use CC and all my abilities to survive when I accidentally pulled too much trash. When I entered my first dungeon, I already knew how to CC, I was with people who had to walk there with me, from my server, people who were willing to teach me and wouldn't just leave if I made a mistake and the dungeons became harder as I leveled. I made friends with those people, because they were on my server, we walked to the dungeon together, I needed to make friends to continue doing dungeons smoothly, we needed to communicate during the dungeon to complete it. I got into my first raid because the group needed a warlock specifically and there werent that many max level warlocks. And so on and so on. All of that is gone. The game is completely face roll all the way until its not. I remember needing to group to quest to protect ourselves from the other faction. People used to actually know eachother on the same server. The game design was completely different. Also, it isn't that tons of nasty people joined the game, it's that before there were extremely strong incentives to not be nasty. You had to play with people on your server. You had to manually make groups. That means that if youre rude to people, you will get a bad reputation on the server and people won't want to group with you and it wasn't so easy to just make a new character or to change your name and so on either.

[@moyga]

@aLi0ne - Not really man, the game is actively designed to not encourage communication. It's genuinely hard to make friends in the game now. There are a lot of reasons as to why, but it's completely different to my original experience of the game, they removed all the factors that led to me making friends naturally and allowed me to become better and eventually do the highest level content. I tried to remain social in the game as best as I could, I raided in a guild, many guilds, I met a lot of people, played other games with them, even met a lot of them in real life. I'm still friends with people I met years and years ago through WoW. Trying to make new friends through random content though is like talking to a wall, its completely different now to the process I described in my reply to coldwine.

[@jasoncarto]

Social prestige should always be earned, not handed to you on a silver platter. Its a leftist mentality that things should be given freely and unearned. Activision, as well as the rest of the california based silicon valley cronies, are neck deep in the very narrative that is causing WoW and other games to lose all value.

[@Blessedup69]

Mark my words. Once classic comes out no one will go back to playing retail. We need a purge a full reset

[@NicolasDeWolfe]

They should have developed character in the RTS and world build in the MMO. This is what I thought was going to happen and we'd be on Warcraft 6 by now but... well... here we are.

[@polothedon5900]

loved wow couldn't stop playing even for sleep at release and honestly quit playing because of their not being a challenge anymore. it really gets me now because I still really still love the lore of Warcraft

[@Chazzvc]

Hit rating is kind of like Hunter Ammo, it seemed pointless and annoying but it fleshed out the game and made it have depth. Hit rating was used to balance the gear, At the start of wrath your haste and crit were much lower due to item level and the fact that you had to take lots of Hit + crit/haste gear to reach hit cap.Then as the expansion progressed you could manage your stats by using new items and swapping out old items. Like replacing a hit/haste item with a haste crit item replacing your old trinket with a new trinket that has a ton of hit on it. then replacing another hit/haste item with haste crit. It also let you plan out rewards from the badge vender as you could go for the crit/haste item or the hit/crit item depending on what your need are. Stat min/maxing was part of the game. Also gems added to this as well as you could swap out hit/haste gems for pure haste gems once you got more hit on a piec of gear.

[@gamesux420]

The inherent flaw with the argument of "you used to be a nobody in classic and now youre the big hero" but thats kinda the point though, isnt it? Youve been building up to becoming the hero for like 10 years over the course of the expansions. You started out as a nobody in classic, youve proved yourself in tbc, you helped save everybody with tirion fordring in wotlk, etc. It would make no fucking sense if you'd still be a nobody in the new expansions, since youve spent all those previous ones saving everyone. I feel like thats simple logic that people complaining about the game dont get, (quick FYI) doesnt mean i disagree with all of his points, quite the opposite actually, i just belive in calling out things that make no sense and giving credit where its due.

[@justintime6967]

Not really a flaw in the statement. To me he’s saying that you aren’t a demigod. You have a finite level of power. In BFA it’s like, how much can you pull? That’s how much you can kill at once. In Classic/BC it’s more like don’t pull that extra thing - if you do you’ll probably die. There’s nothing wrong with being the “champion,” but when you are able to annihilate an entire camp without batting an eyelash, and speed along to the next one, on and on...I mean you have literally infinite mana in Retail. Think about it.

[@odstzero22]

Darn. I am turning 34 this year and this video makes me feel like I need to retire from games. So not only life makes you feel like that but other gamers. Makes me want to just die already. Idk I am a casual and I do work and have a family but my passion for gaming and progressing has never left. The difference is just time for me. I will grind and put in the effort and no I don't feel like it should be easy for me at all. Its just harder to catch up and really do the end game stuff that requires the time to do. Maybe mmos are just not for older people but its hard to let go of that feeling.

[@hapeenes2927]

hit chance makes sense if there are a lot of options in your talent tree, so you can balance both eq and talent tree around one another. You get piece of eq that says your melee attacks always hit but you can never crit? Put your points into flat dmg and make build around it. In WoW the experience is more streamlined when it comes to building your character so it doesnt make sense to have it true, but in more complicated character building games it makes a lot of sense to have insane amount of different stats to balance the game a bit.

[@camb546]

That's the problem though. If you restrict parts only for the hardcore and you don't have all the time to play, then people will play something else. The market now versus 2004 is filled with multi-player games and so many options. Blizzard is a company and looks at the best way to retain players. If people feel weak in their escapist fantasy because they can't keep up, then they will just quit.

[@geo2271]

This is such a stupid ass arguement. The game was at its peek when it was the opposite. They had a great game that people loved, where people could find their ways to achievements and goals, and they took it away from the game, they made it worthless. A game, nor a developer is nothing without a community of players backing it. And its not asbout restricting content for the most hardcore players, no1 wants that, its about creating a social enviroment in the game again. Everyone i know that have had any sort of experience with WoW from MoP and earlier, have a strong love for this game, and most of us really want to play it, but our eager to play our characters is killed out after a couple of months after every new expansion that comes out when we realise how lackluster the game is. There is literally nothing to do for people that actually like to invest themself in the world and the character. I personally do not want to have 10 alts i log onto every day to run weekly m+, heroic clears, world quests. Its repetitive as fuck, and really fatiguing. However, if the core gameplay actually had something going for it, and the social part of the game meant something more than scrolling through the group finder to find a pug group, i am without doubt sure that both my friends and myself would return to the game. And to make the excuse that because blizzard is a company, they have to keep the game the way it is, is dumb. First off, gaming as a industry is thriving, stronger than ever. Hypothetically, i doubt that many of the developers in blizzard would have too much trouble finding new workplaces in other studios. This might have been different in 2004 however, where gaming as a industry was relatively new, and had a questionable future. Id say it was more on the line back then than today. Second, blizzard as a company its a company that still lives on their pride of being a reputable developer, they do not want to be 2nd, or 3rd, they want to be mediocre. Atleast not when activision is in the picture, its a huge cooperation, and these want nothing more than success and a giant paybill, and when it comes to customer related like the relationship between a developer and the player, a big income does not come without many players.

[@Ottobot2]

Looks like spook came back home!

[@fzsolt2]

It's too complicated, yet too easy. I log on, don't even know where to start...

[@CROBlackDEvil]

true, i remember back in the day when i was just starting WoW and full gear high level players would ride around the low level areas and have fun and i was like "wow i wanna be like them" lol

[@jaytomson3492]

The only true great thing about WoTLK was Ulduar. This was the pinnacle of raid content. They should have never gotten rid of the Hardmode system.

[@jorymayer707]

I joined right before ulduar, didn't see anything before it first hand unfortunately but from ulduar all the way to the end of warlords, ulduar was beyond the most amazing raid. It was just so good. It was a nice long raid with good boss mechanics, hardly any silly one shot mechanics to wipe the raid (unless you messed up really bad) those were the days you really got a group of 25 banging lads and had a good time in the chaos for a couple hours

[@rowlandbuck2703]

Jay Tomson heh. I hated Ulduar. Just never cared for the titans or the aesthetics of it, especially hated having to do drive those vehicles for the first boss. Annoying.

[@jorymayer707]

@@rowlandbuck2703the vehicles could be annoying, did you tend to enjoy it more if you were in a group mostly comprised of friends? Or was it just a hard raid to enjoy through and through?

[@Mictla155]

True enough, it gave the more hardcore players something to work on and made the fights interesting.

[@jaytomson3492]

@@rowlandbuck2703 Whilst I agree Leviathan wasn't the most fun boss. It was something different and with a coördinated group, doesn't take that long. However after the first boss, the raid opens up to you. I really liked it, since it wasn't a linear raid. You could progress any way you saw fit. You had optional bosses (ignis, razor, council, auriaya) and the "secret" boss Algalon. You could do the keepers in any order you'd like. The whole idea of activating a boss hardmode whilst already being engaged, was such a cool idea. But hey to each their own :)

[@Lykyk]

I will never understand why the chat never figured out "Assmongoloid" as an insult when he's wrong. Not that he was wrong (except for the hitchance).

[@badass6300]

hit rate is boring if you can make it 100%... it becomes just a barrier as he said... it would have been good if it was capped at 85-90%

[@FlasKamel]

The reason one big boss is more appealing to me is that it's an MMO, and we all need one common enemy to work towards. One mutual thing everyone's even bothering gearing up for together to kill together in the end. Open-ended story is more *interesting*, but it feels like you could just work your way through the story yourself that way.

[@TheCrazyScatman]

Burning crusade was the greatest because in kharazhan chess event I would disconnect right before the event ended and lost my chance to get the shield that dropped as a holy paladin for weeks if not months on end. Lol

[@wnxdafriz]

"Mounts are great incentives" ----- original AMANI WARBEAR FOR LIFE!

[@Leathal]

wnxdafriz hell yeah I loved busting that thing out in BGs to style on people using the (new at the time) welfare bear purple recolor

[@HullumpiEsa]

Ahh man that Andrew, the little internet warrior, waving his glowsticks to ward off haters. That was a golden moment, wheezed my throat sore.

[@r_0_g_u_3]

37:14 i remember going to Onyxia for 24 (counted) times just to get the Bloodfang Hood cuz was the only piece of gear that i was missing and don't even get me started about Perdition's Blade..getting Full Bloodfang gear and Perdition's Blade was the most satisfying reward in WoW

[@Zanzubaa]

39:48 I remember when I was an officer in a top raiding guild, on our server in vanilla wow. For a time for new applicants this is what we cared about. A nice set of pre-raid gear. It said a lot about someone, when they go to all that effort to farm their ass off for that shit. We could gear people up in gear from MC and BWL pretty easily if we took them on. I remember chasing many of those Blackrock items myself. It was pretty painful at times but a fun challenge.