Asmongold Tries to Solve A Dispute Over Devilsaur Leather

[@Beefster99]

I play this game and I can tell you, the only thing nerdier than this conversation is the fact that I watched it.

[@codymazza7303]

solid point.

[@LegendXbox]

Big true.

[@littlerock6018]

Lol

[@Eric-bl1ot]

i love this comment!! LMAO so true.. i can only imagine what my wife thinks about me watching all these wow vids... XD

[@theinsecurepenguin7256]

I felt this in my soul

[@swophie5144]

poor asmon, his whole classic experience is just babysitting these special ed children

[@A_Goat]

Big true

[@Calvin-fv8yk]

It's all scripted he's actually a genius racking in the stacks.

[@ryanmorrissette27]

Those are classic players for ya lmao

[@martinholsnl]

most overpaid nanny in the game

[@pandasniper1]

guild leaders are babysitters.

[@leifdarkwood]

the games lore is supposed to be horde VS alliance. well actually they teamed up frequ-- OMG THIS NERD USING LORE!!

[@nagahide1313]

Yeah. That dude can fall off a cliff even just for that alone.

[@Aaronmajowskavitz]

@@nagahide1313 no hes right who even cares id team up with horde as alliance if its beneficial

[@ryans6309]

LMAO him bringing up lore wasnt any more nerdy than whatever was in the whole converation

[@hopelessearth]

It is a misrepresentation of lore anyway. The teamed up to vs a great threat to everyone and never before and never after.

[@TheTrollshaman]

when life is all about farming devilsaur leathers.

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

25:12 yeah you cant complain about someone undercutting you when your literally trying to controll and manipulate the market yourself.

[@MrMbc77]

Valcor You can when they're in an agreement to not undercut if they don't want to be killed while farming.

[@Mitcheeta]

absolute state of those servers

[@alondor8157]

@@MrMbc77 Too bad. Don't be in a scummy collusion with the Horde. That was the first wrong.

[@LawAcieIV]

There both whining, the people undercut them/backstabbed them. What did you think would happen. The other guy is whining when he backstabbed the original Mafia lol.

[@MrMbc77]

Alondor So the first wrong justifies the second in return? So you think two wrongs make a right?

[@dbg5744]

"Stop being a nerd" They say. As they play a mmo and argue over nerd shit.

[@godwings101]

"They're not price fixing with us." Scumbag....

[@benjamincvcvcv7]

Awkward moment when collusion is literally in the lore of the game with every expansion

[@hopelessearth]

except it isn't the definition of co-operation and collusion has some very key difference and are most certainly not synonyms

[@CuthiePatootie]

This was my understanding: Guy farms for leather. He kills mobs, then brats spam click to skin it out from under him. They're in a petty squabble about price gouging and blah blah. So guy says, "I'll recruit my friends to help me." He grabs some of his Horde buds and asks for an escort service. It works out. Guy's guildies are all, "We need leather too." So Guy + his Ally friends team up with his Horde friends so they can get the leather they need. The people who thought it funny to screw over Guy get all pissy. "Horde collusion, this isn't how the game is meant to be played!" Kind of a hilarious byproduct of WoW Classic and streamer drama. Good for views. >.> I mean, I just watched a 40min video on it.

[@kuhnandreas5694]

So what's the problem with them undercutting? They lose like 7 gold, not the guy who's complaining. The guy could even buy the leather that's so "cheap" and resell it for his price. Boom, profit. But no, he's just mad that he can't controll the other guys, that's all.

[@frostycane5134]

Asmon is just a judge Judy by this point .

[@rubbat2605]

agreed, though the guy i have no idea what his heritage is but i think the best response would've been "Congratulations, Do you want a medal"

[@Ray-lw2rh]

Pretty much..

[@tegridyfarmer2581]

35:28 Not the way how to play the game... Getting free gold, mats and items cause ur streaming is it?

[@davidahlstrom588]

I love sly cooper

[@Eisfalken]

And people eat that "TV judge" stuff up. Same with soap opera drama, which is also what some of this Asmon stream stuff is.

[@mech0p]

I love how this game includes things like collusion, pricefixing, traitors who still guild banks and so much more. Its part of the reason why this game is so amazing because it makes it more realistic. like I get why people get mad about this . honestly in the end this is just a dumbed down version of how massive companies and even countries corner markets and its pretty interesting

[@xXfresh12Xx]

It really demonstrates that if people had the opportunity to do something shady, they really would.

[@marcellowheeler88]

This is what you have when you have a few guys with narcissistic/sociopath mindsets who are invisible to everyone in real life have a bit more power in a video game.

[@lukepruen8848]

Keep them playing videogames

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

24:42 lol i love how esfands explaining it like its not super obvious. At the end of the day its wrong and everyone knows it Horde and Ally are meant to be in competition not colluding. Now having said that its there free will to do it since its not against TOS just dont piss on everyone face and call it rain its annoying. Just admit it its scummy and own up to it

[@alondor8157]

This is how you fix the collusion. MURDER EVERY FUCKING HORDE IN UN'GURO 24/7. Fuck the Horde.

[@omega1231]

Exactly, let alone whining about others trying to force them out of the market the same way they do everyone else.

[@LawAcieIV]

Honestly they should just allow factions to communicate in game.

[@Dontthinkson]

If you are selling all the Leather at 20, and there is a "demand" until aq40 drops, and youre dominating the zones and imposing your will. Feel free to buy all the leather at 13 gold and resell for 20 gold. So youre letting the other people make money for you.

[@LawAcieIV]

Your still losing money on it or having decreased profits and it encourages competition by showing weakness.

[@pubert23]

vanilla wow was a better place without streamers.

[@DelkorYT]

Economists can learn from wow. Cartels don't work - not even with 2 parties lmao

[@server1ok]

How do you think that Unions or the EU was formed. It doesn't work for Devilsaur because there is a huge backlog of leather that diminishes in value when blue pvp gear comes out and because the content allows for players to go straight for Tier sets but IRL there are fewer ways to skip tariffs unless you're a druglord and even then you are living on borrowed time. Unfortunately the EU works. It has completely obliterated outside competition so much that it's turned half of the inside members into Zombie economies that collapse 3 hours after claiming any kind of independence.

[@tarisco614]

@@server1ok It turns sovereign nations into slave states. In my opinion, that is NOT working.

[@Rugg-qk4pl]

Don't need to be an economist, just pass an economic class. Price fixing and setting barriers to entry makes an inefficient allocation of resources.

[@setbackstreaming1214]

Lol I can't believe how much I hate the sound of these guys voices.

[@threeequalsd4865]

I can't tell who is who they both sound like the same gay person

[@setbackstreaming1214]

@@threeequalsd4865 lmfao

[@MrLeemurman]

It's that generic male millennial discord voice that is indistinguishable from most out there

[@myrry6852]

The relevance of this video is hilarious after finding out Unbind is a gold seller. Colluded with Horde to line his pockets with irl money. No wonder he was so protective of it probably his only source of income.

[@saphrix4587]

The soy was off the charts in this.

[@Opachki69420]

aside from everything else, shouldnt it be against the rules to work with the enemy faction? if not whats the point of picking alliance or horde?

[@jacobvandenberghe4222]

Opachki so they can’t work together but when the devs want alliance and horde to work together it’s ok with you? Lmao gtfo

[@Mongoretard123]

@@jacobvandenberghe4222 it IS against the rules to work with the enemy faction.

[@geercornuit9097]

No its not

[@geercornuit9097]

@@Mongoretard123 noo.. its not

[@MikeTall88]

@@geercornuit9097 Me saving a human rouge from dying is fine. My guild organising BGs with an opposing guild so that we win and lose every other game, is not allowed. You guys need to be more specific

[@xeikai]

Classic has turned into Eve online. this is EXACTLY what it sounds like. "I want to enforce my will on other people" where have i heard that before. It becomes much easier to understand why power corrupts when even in a video game you want to bend others to your will. Thinking about it, it's really not all that different, you don't know these people but you wanna make damn sure they follow your laws and potentially pay you for the 'right' to farm where you wanna farm whether it be gold, or joining the guild and contributing a portion to the guild coffers. ALso this really isn't exclusive to these people. if they didnt do it someone else would. It's just human nature. that's why we're all fucked and doomed to kill eachother.

[@FainaruFurasshu]

"Power doesn't actually cause corruption. It merely reveals the corruption that already resides within us. If someone who is not corrupt is given power, then they will wield that power responsibly. If someone is corrupt, then their power will reflect that corruption." - Darkmatter2525 If you had power, would you abuse it? The problem is that immoral people actively seek power, unlike moral people.

[@djcezcez8120]

This man is speaking straight facts

[@brandingald177]

Naw, eve is still on a different level because of the game mechanics.

[@WiseWeeabo]

I find this Horde vs Alliance dichotomy to be productive.

[@malazan6004]

Unbind was the biggest loser to ever grace our screens! Dude got his 10 mins of fame and no one ever heard of him again. I bet his confidence has hit the floor and he comes back to this video now and then to tell himself he is still something.

[@ODSTWhiteout]

man bagged the cheddar biscuit and hes ballin now

[@TheAdmiral117]

Bro you actually typed that and hit send what is wrong with you?

[@malazan6004]

@@TheAdmiral117 hey unbind

[@spursbucswhitesoxfan]

This might be the saddest thing I've ever seen.

[@Vladimirizme]

Dude set up his own Venture Co. for devilsaur leather lol

[@server1ok]

These Cartels change nothing but to guarantee that the devilsaur leather is farmed 24/7, which unless they are storing it on bank alts over 12 months is going to even out the market one way or another. There are worse Cartels IRL. Even if they NEVER sell until the server resets ( or whatever else ) players can skip the set, get the Scholo one or go straight for Tiers or blue pvp.

[@al5306]

That Nel guy is an emotional mess.

[@XxPx3xNx6xUx1xNxX]

13g, that's private server prices when there's only 4 - 5 up at any time.

[@Krokodilius]

why is this kid constantly calling other people kids as if he's 50?

[@hannasolo7005]

Because he’s an annoying little shit.

[@NatoRadeX]

Smokes too much weed

[@LycanWitch]

I dunno why they need to even debate this.. Devilsaur leather should always be a free-for-all.. Which ever guild or farm group has the biggest dicks at their disposal, regardless if Horde or Alliance, should always get the leather. So whether if that's done by colluding with the opposite faction.. then it's ok.. because this has always been the real Vanilla experience.. Colluding took place in real Vanilla, it took place on all the Private servers. so that means it should also take place on classic, else it ain't true to the real Vanilla experience. Furthermore, undercutting creates opportunity for those who can't skin devilsaur to make a profit as well.. and it's a system that controls itself because as soon as someone undercuts, opportunist will buy out the undercut stock and repost it at the correct price and profit.. this is how it always worked. People do it in current wow and people also do it in Classic.. I was doing it myself for items like the greater magic wands back during launch, morons would post them for less than the usual going price and i'd buy them out and repost for profit.

[@JaesNSC]

Background song: Tool - Stinkfist

[@simonsgaardpedersen5872]

is it just me, i cant tell the difference between these two guys

[@MasterfulSLY]

A bunch of guys arguing about world of Warcraft probably shouldn’t be throwing the N Word around, by that I mean nerd of course.

[@RealSnugh]

"well in the lore they have worked together, so collusion is fine"

[@PappaPalps]

“Who cares about the lore your a nerd” is a very poor and stupid argument.

[@seanhoff]

If they're undercutting by 7g then just buy them out? wtf. Price fixing is not good for the market of the game anyway. It's heavily fined in real life. People will always 'undercut' you, deal with it, don't be babies.

[@caesaralright]

Balance in all things people... playing wow isn’t cringe, but living in WoW it can probably lead to This Fuckery.

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

14:56 its not about helping pwople or wvwn about the devilsaur leather. Its this guys attitude he acts like theres nothing wrong with what hes doing . Honestly i would respect somone alot more if they came out and said yes we are colluding i know its wrong but im doing it .

[@chadsmith66]

Funny hearing 2 gay guys argue lol

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

hehe

[@deadlymixx]

This is a great example of prime cut vanilla elitists.

[@BPN25]

autistic private server spergs brought their autism the classic

[@Stizzfoshizz]

I agree with Esfand..... to a point though. Easy for him to ignore this stuff when they literally have gold given to them from their fans.

[@Lquadify]

There’s a reason why there’s PvE servers. These things don’t happen in PvE servers in my experience.

[@zhenyucai8688]

What? Cartels have been very successful lmao made lots of people rich and powerful. Has nothing to do with economics though

[@austin2717]

PvE. Where there is cross faction handholding fishing competitions. Lol

[@Folsomdsf2]

Actually, they do. There's more ways than one to stop people from skinning. It's even more hilariousto see paladins running around who just bop you and skin it themselves.

[@Emelenzia]

Undercutting arguments are always so stupid. Kids knowing nothing of how a free market works. If it was really true that there was this insane demand on leather, then you could just mass buy out and leather under 20 and relist. If you can't then that means value isn't 20.

[@LawAcieIV]

Your still losing profit on buying it out though. Instead of making 20g you now make 7g. And your guild is spending time fighting for control of the resources. Cutting profit in half like that could easily cause a real cartel/Mafia to collapse.

[@Emelenzia]

@@LawAcieIV again this is why you should at least think before you start talking econ. You lose no money. It a free 7g with zero effort. You didn't have to farm it. It literally money on top of all the skins you had yourself. Again this is based on idea that leather has this limitless demand that everyone is claiming. It not even just mafia people. If this was true everyone on the server would have insentive to buy out sub 20 leather and relist. Reality is demand is not remotely as high as claimed and actual market value of isn't remotely close to 20g. And that why people don't relist. Because there high chance they would not sell due to demand not being high enough.

[@LawAcieIV]

@@Emelenzia there's still effort although it may be minimal, and you still need to make money while your not on the AH unless you are sitting on a large sum. plus you are helping other Mafia members or whatever so you are already spending time in Un goro. So if you don't get that leather you are losing money on it because you spent time contesting it and got less or nothing. You can recoup some cost on AH but it's not the 20g you get from controlling the resource.

[@ryanmorrissette27]

Imagine playing an RPG and then calling someone a nerd for knowing the lore of the game.

[@hunterlong1820]

Turbo nerd

[@mynameiskaleb4052]

It wasn't a matter of knowing the lore.

[@BobGnarley.]

Esfand always seems to come along and basically skew things in his favor lmao

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

7:40 this guys eating his own shit that hes putting out. Holy shit he believes his own lies lmfao no blacklisting a guild is not the same as literally colluding with the enemy faction

[@anonymousviewer8652]

Guilds are free to interact with each other how ever they please. If you dont like it then pick a different server.

[@darrenbatten4658]

That guy is lying Teagens bought Devilsaur leather for 13g 76s.

[@skyesthelimit6792]

Friends keep asking why I stopped being a GM years back All I have to do now is link this vid as my reply. tyvm. Kay

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

22:10 yeah its good for Olympus but what about every other guild that is not colluding with the horde. Fuck them get good right ? Lol hard to do that when half the game is colluding already .

[@danieltaggart8074]

A little off topic, Asmon were did you get the T-shirt your wearing?

[@demondesires865]

why fight to drive the price down....Fight to bring the price up.

[@cowfreezy]

Keep the posts comin! This makes my workday go by so much faster

[@TecTitan]

The hands off / IRL reputation method is only good at one thing: Saving Blizz money not having to moderate their game they charge us to play. People should NOT have to do extensive research and background checks or hitting up google for forum posts about every individual they're going to interact with. When Blizz says stuff like this they're admitting it's bad and unhelpful but they won't do anything to address it so deal with it.

[@Amp5150]

the leather was 8 gold per last time i checked on my server

[@jackmachax]

god that one guy was scream talking the whole time

[@aleksandyrveliki162]

soooooo whats the problem?If you dont control the leather some ather guild will control it

[@bl1tzillaaa]

clc controls the crater however you slice it

[@Woltror]

"Mob-Gamer Lifestyle" xD

[@Kancerous]

If they undercut by an insane amount just buy it up and repost? lol

[@Psilocybin77]

These fools dishonour the spirit of the great Devilsaur. None of them know the primal thrill of hunting the devilsaur. Fighting the devilsaur. Becoming one with the devilsaur. Then having a rogue kill you when you have the devilsaur at 4 percent.

[@MalonzeProductionsGaming]

the leather going for 9g a pop on grobbulus

[@MyNameIsRyuu]

What´s the song in the beginning?

[@SquidRider]

I hear my boy, Kripparrian!

[@Kourtesy.]

Price fixing is bad for the economy. The prices of all items should act the same and not decided by the oligopoly.

[@Nuverotic]

The nerdy guy just said "Horde is supposed to be against alliance", then the less nerdy guy said, "Techically if you go by lore" and the nerdy guy goes, "You're a nerd bringing up lore"... Does the nerdy guy not realize he just brought up lore saying "Horder is supposed to be against Alliance"?

[@evereststrength]

Difference between EU and NA. NA goes to a Chieftain (Asmongold) and cries to ask daddy for help - EU, creates the strongest and best PvP team and owns Unguro - looting every Devilsaur and makes sure no1 can undercut since they dont have any leather to sell. Where do you wanna play?

[@blakeknopf2721]

why tf is this dude always raising his eyebrows

[@Mr.McDuffie]

This would of never happened with .

[@danielpalmer8934]

This is the downside of classic vs original release. These people have been on private servers perfecting the way they play. It will never be as fun as release.

[@TheRTrizzy]

These dudes dont know how to control a market. If someone is heavily undercutting you just buy all their shit and repost it at your price...

[@Nuverotic]

Sounds like they're jealous that one group is owning their faces

[@Digitallycloned]

I don’t get why they’re pissy about it. If they’re getting undercut by 7 gold just buyout it all and repost at your price. I do it all the time.

[@isumir]

Another wow player calling other Nerd. lol

[@doctorgears9358]

Headphone users: "CHAT ACTUALLY"

[@two-bittin-pot2987]

This got me thinking about other ways to make gold. Would a “parrot cage:hyacinth macaw” be a viable farm in this version of the game? It easily paid for an epic mount and then some for me back in the day. Just curious what y’all think.

[@foxmulder8955]

No, servers are overpopulated so firstly the value of every item has dropped massively, secondly grinding spots are overcrowded and it will take you a lot more time getting it (exponentially more on a pvp server). Slow and steady ways are the only viable way right now unless you control the ungoro mafia. Instanced farm in maraudon is also very good if you got the right class for it.

[@iillestrs2153]

Old comment, but og runescape taught me to think this way when I was like 10 😂

[@GarretDejiko]

This video was literally saved by Esfand

[@MasterNinjaXz]

Esfand literally contributed fuck all

[@Tealeafs1]

Please tell me it takes him 40 min to do this

[@Mop9419]

Cant they buy all the low priced leather and resell at 20gold? Idk i dont play this game. :o

[@butchcoolidge3057]

They would just repost the lost auctions at a lower price and drive the market down more. The game is still relatively early so the economy is extremely fragile for high level items.

[@foxmulder8955]

nobody will buy it at 20 golds because players keep spamming the AH with vendor prices. Only broken prices sell atm.

[@hunterlong1820]

Yeah while many people are still leveling and gearing the gold sinks like mounts, training, repairing etc will keep people from paying high prices on the AH

[@klusell7014]

Why don't they just buy all the leather for 13g and repost it for 20?

[@raky76]

Scummy - that's simply it. Scummy.

[@barle4461]

So, why not buy the Devilsaur at 15G and put them on AH for 20G... are they lame or what? If you want to corner the market buy the cheaper material and put it up... is this amateur hour or what?

[@taniaspears2204]

When I have some of my characters on Alt. and then I want to make a character it says alinence only on this server. Now I guess that you can have horde/alliance on the same server that is wrong!

[@thekyleprojekt7996]

These people have like 4 accounts

[@larrygotter5609]

One of the most boring arguments I've ever wasted my time on.

[@ThunderCod1]

August burns red playing at 7 mins ❤

[@LawAcieIV]

Who cares just fight them or pay the price. I think the behavior is slightly immoral but the fact that it's in game makes it way cooler. It's video game leather not real resources like water etc. I think it would be cool if they made some high level areas free for all though like the arena so you don't have to work with the other faction if you don't want to.

[@TheJulioGulio]

World Of EvE Online

[@Jpirani00]

Just buy out the low price if you are locking down the farm.

[@LewisDM]

Whoever the guy was who is no longer on stream for saying "The word" I've no idea who it is, but it was your friend and you should let him back if you'd like to.

[@chadsmith66]

Lead Singer of Cannibal Corpse plays wow, He's Horde though

[@entertainproxi9140]

they have the same voice i cant tell who is who

[@weeps4ourspecies210]

This is the poor man’s conversation. Sad really. If you were really savvy; you let the plebs do all the hard work and farming for you. If you want to control the market you just buy any of the leather that comes to market and then set your price. Small thinking. Corner the market not the farm.

[@LawAcieIV]

You can't get that rich in wow though, there isn't a huge wealth gap like in real life. And any 60 is on relatively equal terms with another 60 unlike real life.

[@DrToker]

So much drama in classic because there isn't anything else to do.

[@EbonMaster]

To be fair a lot of people wanted to play Classic for the social aspects.

[@shadow3799]

Got em

[@EleftheriosVen]

There's nothing to do for the retards that rushed to 60 no lifing the game grinding dungeons 24/7 and getting their epic mount and gear. Yes. Those people don't have anything to do except raiding once a week and ganking people from opposite factions. I myself am close to 60 but I loved the game. I already have memories. The game is really good if you play it with your own pace. I think there's plenty to do. Let's be honest with ourselves for a moment. People like asmon don't have a life. WoW IS their life. They sit around talk about, playing it, having arguments about, making or reading posts about it... Etc. They just play it to the point that is isn't a game anymore. Whatever. I wasted too much time writing this. Classic rocks , people that no lifed it can suck a huge dick.

[@thegoat2985]

but in retail we get to do world quests errday am I rite lmao

[@EbonMaster]

@@EleftheriosVen "PLAY GAMES THE WAY I LIKE TO PLAY GAMES! LIVE THE WAY I LIKE TO LIVE!"

[@nmisteli7385]

this is exactly what i was expecting thank god im not playing on this server its a pleasure to watch though :D

[@geercornuit9097]

Wow people change too litle children when they play this game man lmfao

[@mregdosz]

The nostalgia brings their IQ down to what it was during that time😂😂.

[@MrElvisNilsson]

Monopolies are illegal (in most countries) for several reasons... nuff said.

[@joshmartelli3094]

I always wud just buy say the 25 at 13-17 and then undercut the highest buy 1-2 gold

[@HTKCsoitpasdeg]

Teaming up alliance and horde is called "Win trade" And it is against TOS. Thank you, bye.

[@Tusksplitter7372]

speak/see/hear no evils lol