EVIDENCE! Brushy Bill WAS Billy the Kid!!??

Michael examines additional evidence that says Brushy Bill Roberts was in fact, Billy the Kid!
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[@DerekTheDuctTapeMan]

I am not sure about Brushy Bill Roberts, but I have some doubts if Pat Garret really did kill Billy the Kid.

[@Bumper776]

So, assuming that Pat Garrett and his two deputies lied about it, why did Pete Maxwell and more than 100 people from Ft. Sumner also lie about seeing Billy the Kid dead and buried, never changing their stories the rest of their lives?

[@DirtCobaine]

As a Las Cruces, New Mexico native. Billy the Kid has always been an idol to us. Not because he was a killer, but because he opposed the corruption in New Mexico. Nothings changed. In fact it’s still the Wild West here, and no one talks about it. I grew up with killers who are walking free to this day. Didn’t know murder can only get you 5 years here. Anyways, do I think Brushy Bill Roberts is Billy the Kid? Idk, I’d like that to be true. But did Pat Garret Kill Billy the Kid? The fact that you still can’t say definitively one way or the other is all the proof you need to say no, he didn’t.

[@iracordem]

proof is a unicorn…the proof that pat garrett couldnt provide, and likewise the proof we dont have one way or the other, collecitvely, objectively, prove nothing…

[@vCLOWNSHOESv]

Brushy Bill has been debunked by many and shown to be the Kid himself by others. I'm not sure if we can expect any new evidence to be found so I like to believe Billy did survive.

[@aaronhuber4126]

Let’s just do the DNA test and settle all the arguments for good …

[@jackburton4892]

How would that stop another made up conspiracy story by the Brushy's? There's a huge market in conspiracy theorie$.

[@pastorstephentucker4642]

That's what I've been saying. Theres no good reason not to. We would probably know thanks to sederwall but, he was unfortunately stopped.

[@Charles53412]

A DNA is impossible due to the fact the real location of Billy's grave is unknown. However, there is more evidence that Brushy Bill is actually Billy the Kid, than there is his is not. From facial recognition, to same wound locations, wrist and hand size. Not counting sworn testimony. Even the grandson of A.P. "Paco" Anaya, a man most supporters of the historical status quo claim helped "bury Billy the Kid" (and conducted one of the supposed coroner's inquests). And his grandson claims he and his family believe that not only did Garrett not kill Billy the Kid, but he was in fact, Brushy Bill Roberts. According to Paco the face was shot off thus not being able clearly identify if it was Billy the Kid. Oddly enough Billy's horse and tact was gone the next morning.

[@robertalford2257]

Very interested and new to this angle. One question, who's DNA could Brushys be compared to?

[@samsondog2182]

@@robertalford2257 his family would be a good start

[@shanecollins3943]

I started reading about Billy the kid when I was a kid. Until a few years ago I never gave much thought to him surviving his reported death. I still haven't made a decision on Brushy Bill being Billy the kid yet. Have to admit to the possibility he could be though.

[@davealexanian]

Haha. Even when presenting Brushy evidence, it destroys their story. Not a word from the Salizars about this, but this guy is to be believed. Why would the widow of Garret tell a nine year old kid something that horrific, even if it were true? And even if she were that disturbed to talk like that to kids, why would she tarnish her own family legacy? It's like how the Brushy people are fond of saying Garret's daughter said in an interview that her father did not kill Billy, yet that interview has never surfaced. And Affidavits are only legally binding when used in court in place of a personal testimony. I do love the idea that Ignio Killed Garret. That would have been a satisfying end.

[@donmarcoalfaro6856]

I hope you guys on this channel aren't journalist because I noticed that most of the presentations you give are tilted towards Garrett and against Billy the kid, evidence that brushy bill might have been the kid. Heck who knows unless there's a DNA test there's no way we can positively assume anything. Weather brushy bill was or was not Billy the kid we must not as journalists take sides. we must present the evidence and not our opinions. On my recent recent visit to Fort Sumner BTK museum I noticed that the museum was basically tilted towards Pat Garrett, he was a corrupt policeman just like that policeman that killed that guy with his knee! Remember absolute power over our fellow Americans. 'always corrupts'. Pat was this type of person. He took the law into his own hands and I think you know he was just a corrup cop how can anybody believe anything he possibly did whether it was good, right, wrong, up or down. He was in self-serving self-promoting SOB I'm sorry to have to say that but that's how I feel. As far as looking for truth I think it's just a wild goose chase there's no absolution to this story about BTK. I feel bad that the kid was just a mix up kid who got himself mixed up with the wrong crowd. Killing people but he did not deserve to be murdered, I haven't seen any posters that read wanted dead or alive. That's my $0.10 worth I guarantee you can buy yourself a cup of coffee in Lubbock Texas with my word and a $20 bill, thanks anyways by the way you have a very entertaining channel.

[@Dragonette666]

Kids back then, particularly boys, were often treated like little men. Keep in mind this is also the child labor era as well. At 9 you could already have worked a few years in a factory or on a family ranch.

[@Timesup2023]

It’s very common that the older people from that area 100% believe that Pat didn’t kill Billy. My father and mother were both of this persuasion. My dad was in law enforcement for over 30 years in and all around Lincoln. He was a solid Christian and would swear on a stack of bibles that Pat didn’t kill Billy.

[@user-kk8rb2px6y]

The guy that was tried and found not guilty of killing Garrett was his killer. Why did he kill him? Because Garrett had threatened to kill him. When people like Garrett and his kind threatened to kill you they were going to do it, they were not kidding. You had no choice but to kill them first if you wanted to live. The jury knew that and that was why he was freed.

[@luke8210]

I do like the no bias idea. Sometimes it's nice to hear both sides of an argument. Nice job sir. Cheers.

[@Totally-Random-Chris]

Another great show Michael can't wait for more and still think it's a long shot about Brushy but I still think Billy the Kid got away from Garrett that night

[@danielvandenbroek2275]

Damn... Missed the livestream! Didn't receive the notification in time... Anyway, will watch the show right away!☺️🙏🏻

[@Rollin_L]

No doubt you are on the right path with your model, Michael. It is always better for people to make up their own minds from the evidence presented, rather than being told that they should believe this or that. It's one thing to share your opinions and beliefs about the many issues revolving around the Billy the Kid story. I think most of us appreciate that you do. But you leave it to us to make up our own minds and that is a very respectful of your audience and membership. It is, I might say, the "adult" way of having this long term discussion. (Is that what SHE said?) Thanks for another informative and entertaining episode!

[@rabbithole8592]

Brushy was indeed Billy the Kid. Theres opinions, and there's facts. Facts don't care about your feelings. Brushy and Billie were a 91% Match. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2muoayHicl1nM0

[@Rollin_L]

@@rabbithole8592 If you are referring to the claim of facial recognition programs, you might go to the original source. You may find that claim is not all it's cracked up to be. And I've watched enough of the channel you linked to. Pardon me while I yawn.

[@rabbithole8592]

@@Rollin_L Oh Plz, You don't think Brushys story was investigated by authorities? He was critiqued and scrutinized under a microscope for years. Even by people who knew him. Billy had very unique physical characteristics and Brushy had all those same unique characteristics. A guard who witnessed Billy escape from jail, looked Brushy Bill right in the eye and confirmed he was indeed Billy the Kid. "Only Billy has eyes like that". He and others said Brushy not only looks like Billy, but he walks, talks, acts and laughs like Billy. Brushy had 28 scars caused by knife and bullet wounds. Brushy knew every back story for each and every scar in full detail. It's far more likely that Brushy is Billy than it is unlikely. It's blatantly obvious Brushy is Billy. You can tell just by looking at him.

[@Rollin_L]

@@rabbithole8592 If all of that were true, you would have a great story. I used to want to believe all that too. If you watch those channels that exist to push the Brushy tale they can sound mighty convincing. Been there, done that. I came to this channel with an open mind, to hear the case for the alternative as well as what the Brushy claims are. All sides get presented here. You are welcome to believe what you want. If you are correct, then hearing the alternatives to the Brushy story will only strengthen your argument, right? So watch the various videos on this channel that address Brushy Bill, pro and con. What have you got to lose?

[@rabbithole8592]

@@Rollin_L Even Jesse James neice said Brushy is Billy the kid. You're just a bunch of over the top skeptical Nay sayers. There's mountains of evidence supporting Brushy being Billy. Again, I can tell just by looking at Brushy that he is in fact Billy. I'm not just going off of what others say.

[@rabbithole8592]

There's also an affidavit stating Billy and Brushy both had their teeth extracted in 1931. The overall consensus in the analysis of Billy and Brushy physical similarities was peer reviewed and classified to be Strong. Excellent and Highly likely. Brushy was the only match out a quite few candidates. Those Ears, height, age, overall stature. Eyes. Scars. Dates. Places. Brushy was adamant all the way to the day he died.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

I think you made all of this up. If Brushy was Bill how could they both have their teeth extracted? Peer reviewed? Please, just produce that if you would.

[@rabbithole8592]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Billy had his teeth extracted in 1931. There's an affidavit stating Brushy had his teeth extracted in 1931. Watch more videos. Do more research. I'm just relaying information I've seen and heard. I've been researching the subject ever since I saw Brushy on unsolved mysteries As child back in the 80s. "I think you made all this up" is extremely rude and dismissive btw. Wow!

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@rabbithole8592 Watch more videos? That's your advice? Billy the Kid died in 1881, so how did they extract his teeth? Do more research? You said there are peer reviewed studies of Brushy being The Kid, and that there was an affidavit that Billy had his teeth removed in 1931. Where are they? Just give me a link? I'm never impressed when someone drops a bunch of hearsay in the comments and their instructions are "Do your own research." Peace...

[@rabbithole8592]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Yup! "Watch more videos. Do more research". How else would you find more information!? I'm a Christian. Calling me a liar is very offensive. Why don't you watch how you speak to people!? Your social skills are atrocious! After 30+ of doing research, as a hobby, I conclude Brushy was telling the Truth.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@rabbithole8592 I got it...you have no proof, and you don't know where any of these studies and affidavits exist. I'm glad you conclude Brushy was The Kid, but all of the real evidence says you're wrong. Unsure about what being a Christian has anything to do with this, but...rock on dude.

[@charleskelemen737]

Another great video. Keep up the good work!

[@derekbrown2988]

Michael can you try and get a interview with Joe Salazar? I believe he lives in Lincoln on Yginio's ranch, if he's still alive. He had a interview on KZbin around 2015 but it has since been removed. I don't think he believed Brushy was Billy the Kid. He said Billy went to "Black Rock Mexico" which I believe translates to Piedras Negras and that he say's that Billy went straight to Yginio's ranch after the escape in Lincoln to get his leg irons removed. He also said that Billy wrote a letter thanking Pat Garrett for the horse and put it in the saddle which corroborates what Sheriff Graves was saying. He said that Pat Garrett told Yginio to tell Billy to leave the territory because he couldn't help him anymore. He also says that the family has letters that Billy wrote from Mexico.

[@luke8210]

Awesome info. That would be a killer interview.!

[@melhubner1881]

I’m pretty sure he died

[@derekbrown2988]

@@melhubner1881 I believe so but it's crazy. I just found another interview with Joe. It starts at 24:00 min kzbin.info/www/bejne/onvXpXZ8gq6Egbs

[@melhubner1881]

@@derekbrown2988 Thanks for sharing this. I’ve actually just been reading a book about the ghosts of Old Lincoln and Yginio was in there too.

[@Dragonette666]

People get too invested in these things, like Billy vs Brushy. No matter how it comes out , for 99.999999999% of the people it won't change your life one bit.

[@ccrider3435]

Like many others, I am not wanting lies of the past to continue into the future... 99.99999999999% sure of that.

[@jimtalor9537]

Very interesting!!! Great video! Just subed.

[@VolkXue]

"embracing the picture" If i were a film director i would have the actor walk over, place hands on each side of the picture while looking at it and then looking down and breaking down. Not actually taking the picture from the wall and embracing it

[@user-wy1dv2qk5o]

I haven’t been able to find your channel for a long time now

[@steverodriguez4871]

The only reason I’m a brushy bill fan is bcuz I want him to be Billy the kid but I’m honestly on the fence

[@wilmoney4619]

Folks doesn’t necessarily mean mother and father. Folks can describe relatives or family.

[@stubaker2574]

shotgun to the face does disfigure a man...pat said he used a pistol but a shotgun was used.

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

Why do you belive it was a shotgun ?

[@stubaker2574]

@@teamjanzeslife8741 so no one would recognize him for who he was at least to outsider's who didn't know what Billy looked like. apparently it worked but Pat got killed for maintaining his story and any one even Pat knew Billy was fast to shoot and a pistol isn't ideal for a shot in the dark but a alley sweeper with double oo buckshot from a shortened barrel cover's the target where a pistol shot isn't what would make sure the target is down..Pat never could shoot straight with a pistol worth a crap

[@provcityparks3278]

i think you did another video about it, but just by looking at the pictures and comparing the ears of brushy bill roberts vs billy the kid you can tell they arent the same person.

[@paulfroud3920]

Just going to start reading "Billy The Kid, Beyond the Grave" by W.C. Jameson in the next day or 2...looking forward to it. Cheers from Canada.🤠

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Enjoy and let me know what you think

[@paulfroud3920]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Just finished the book a few minutes ago. Unless Brushy Bill was present at the time of the incidents, or rode alongside the Kid, there is little chance he could know such minute details. So with an open mind, I conclude there was a good chance that Brushy Bill and Billy the Kid were one and the same person.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@paulfroud3920 Fair enough. If you want to continue your research, check those things that Brushy knew against things that were already published and readily available. You might....(and I only mean might) change your mind.

[@paulfroud3920]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi I've read that he was quite illiterate, but it's possible that someone read the stories to him. One question though; why would he risk the consequences of hanging or prison if he was an imposter? I will have much other research this winter, so won't have a lot of time for other things. Cheers from Canada.

[@danielblackburn1241]

​@paulfroud3920 sure he was 2 when Billy died

[@greg19071961]

Apolinaria telling a child that story is pretty horrific ... It's worse than telling him that Pat shot Billy in the dark or in the back imo...actually, they are both so bad! Another good one MAG! ❤🤠

[@Bumper776]

Whether one liked Billy the Kid, loved him or hated him, you have to admit that he was quite a character. What I find to be disgusting about this whole thing about "Is Brushy Bill really Billy the Kid?" is that people are bestowing the laurels earned by Billy the Kid on someone that is an obvious imposter, a phony that never amounted to anything in his entire life and who has been discredited by even his own family as being a huckster known for "telling tall tales". Billy the Kid deserves better than that. I have looked at the "evidence" the Brushy Bill Cult Followers present and all of it leaks like a sieve.

[@alexsegurasr3028]

Billy the kid was flunt in spanish . Brushy Bill didnt speak a word of spanish. Where Brushy Bill is buried is Hamilton Tx. I visited the grave and museum. Lady told me Billy used go there on weekends. Really 800 miles one way on horse back.

[@danielwebster5748]

People that believe one way including myself are not going to change their mind but I can almost guarantee that someday it will be found that whether brushy bill or Barney the dinosaur was Billy the kid that he did survive he was too in tune with the danger to not he wouldn't walk around aimlessly with strangers there no way. I'm really shocked that anyone believes that because Pat Garrett had shot the wrong Man twice before. I don't believe that Pat Garrett deliberately let Billy escape I just think he pulled the trigger on the wrong man as he had done twice before his deputy say it his daughter says it you know it's done in my opinion. Who the hell is going to tell their flesh and blood daughter oh I shot the wrong man yet again. Who lies on their deathbed the deputies both on their deathbed said it had been bothering them all their life because they signed statements that it was Billy the kid and they knew quite well that it was not. Back then policemen or law officers didn't have qualified immunity if he they found out he shot a man especially a man that wasn't wanted he could his head could be in the noose. The other two times he got lucky he shot a man that was wanted Dead or alive anyway but what if this time he shot someone that was completely innocent well he would have to cover that up or risk hanging. I mean pet Garrett has a record of shooting the wrong man that's why most people nowadays believe that Billy the kid escaped weather brush your bill is Billy the kid or not it doesn't really matter. Their stories about many gunfighters but the two that I believe unequivocally escaped is Butch Cassidy and Billy the kid no doubt about it. Yeah I am a little surprised that anybody believes that Pat Garrett finally got it right and it Billy the kids six sense was suddenly shut off. And then he done the stupidest thing that Billy the kid has ever done he walked around aimlessly barefooted with a butcher knife while the strangers roaming around that's not Billy the kid I'm surprised that anyone believes it is.

[@attilathehun0]

Daniel Webster Pat Garrett shot Charlie Bowdre thinking he was Billy the Kid because of the hat he was wearing. That's one guy. The other men Pat shot were not mistaken for Billy the Kid and not even Charlie Bowdre was passed off as Billy the Kid.

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

Even Frank Silva say`s that it was shotgun that been yoused

[@johntheisen4107]

How about the actual interview with Brushy Bill

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Would love to hear that John....but the tapes are not available to listen to....

[@dwaynebrown163]

Why aren't the tapes not available to listen to. You say dumb shit like that but give no explanation of why so you sir are full of shit and your lying through your teeth I will not listen to no more of your shows you have proven time and time again your a liar you don't have to tape you never had to take you never will hesitate that's why you don't play them because you don't have them

[@nikdrown]

Charlie Chaplin lost his own lookalike contest…..

[@Montgomeryyy]

Just got home from work and haven't watched the entire video yet, but... Short answer: No Long answer: Hell no Now I'm gonna heat up my dinner and watch this thing 🤠😎

[@sharonmuzik]

Curiouser and curiouser...... 🧐

[@Actor_Brendan_Crash_Burt]

The one thing I can never get clear: Did Billy knowingly walk past PG’s people to get into Maxwell’s quarters where his supposed fate was sealed? Also; Though not proven by the court PG’s death was ruled self defense for lack of evidence to the contrary. Just 2 people with known murder raps word against the forensics around Gherritf’s body. I don’t believe BBR gave a statement about how he learned PG was shot.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

According to Garrett and Poe's version, he was surprised by the men on the porch, past them without turning his back, and backed into Maxwell's room. He did not retreat via the route that he came from.

[@Actor_Brendan_Crash_Burt]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Yet still addressed Pete Maxwell & a Shadow in Spanish? If he thought it was a Mexican looking to harm him he’d have used English as his “Code”. If he thought it was PG it’s a fair assumption that he never even asks. Or even approaches. Unless it was someone whose first language was Spanish. *Much of my musing comes from me not wanting to believe BTK met his end the way history suggests. That doesn’t necessarily make BBR the same guy. But many questions that inspire more questions.

[@MsCal52]

ok Michael if you discount some minor errors that are incorrect you say you have to discount all??? Really, what about all the guff Garrett spun in his book, he has been found out numerous times , are you saying all of Garretts history is incorrect now ??

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Garrett could be lying AND Brushy Bill could not be the Kid. One doesn't cause the other.

[@DruGunners]

Have you heard the short audio of Brushy Bill from the Morrison tape? It was realised around the same time as this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2LTZqdvYt14q7s

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

I have heard it.

[@navydogsadventures3500]

These affidavits just don't seem legit. The stories are too far fetched for me.😁

[@thecat600]

Whoa o I heard it through the grapevine. Sounds like hearsay of hearsay.

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

Was there 2 Celsa Gutierrez in FS 1881 ?!?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

That's what I've learned just yesterday. I've never heard that before...

[@davidwarman4290]

As much as I’d love to find out Billy survived and rode off into the sunset , so to speak. I’ve been researching the kid since the film Young Guns came out in 1988 I think it was and with all due respect I personally believe that the kid did die that night in Fort Sumner. Anyway another great show and full respect to Michael for looking into this and bringing some more gem’s of information. 🙏🙏

[@stephanwatson7902]

There's a photo of Brushy, with a moustache and his doubters claim he was born in 1878 and that he was too young to be Billy! But that photo was taken around 1887-1891 and that would mean Brushy was around 8 to 12 years old in it lol. He said he was 27 in the photo, which lines up with his claimed date of birth. Please check the photo and tell me how that 20+ year old man with a moustache is actually 12 years old

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

It’s easy. It’s a giant lie and the photo was not taken when you say. There’s a photo of brushy with his family at 10 years old in 1890. Go ahead and explain that.

[@stephanwatson7902]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi I also think its funny when people deny something outright, without actually knowing whether it's TRUE or not. You don't know when that photo of Brushy was taken but your CERTAIN it wasn't between 1987-1981. There's literally no way you could KNOW that and yet you claim to. This isn't a statement of fact, you believe you're right, so any evidence to the contrary must be a lie? Do a little research, there are experts who did date that photo between 1887-1891. And this alleged photo of 10 year old Brushy. I haven't seen it and don't know when it was taken and if I behaved like you I'd just say, "it's a big lie, that photo wasn't taken in 1890!!!" when I actually don't know that. See the problem with denying something that we don't know is true or not? I'm actually going to look into it and try to find and verify this photo of Brushy, whether or not it was actually him and when the photo took place. Just because I believe his story, doesn't mean I'm not going to be open to evidence to the contrary

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@stephanwatson7902 how interesting....because your initial comment said "But that photo was taken around 1887-1891" as if it were fact...yet you offered no proof. Do you know why? Because there is no proof....because the fraudulent story of Brushy Bill has been so thoroughly proven to be a lie, that not one reasonable person believes it anymore. Your burden of proof on his claims is so low as to be non existent.

[@splintercell0147]

Actually it lines up with Chano Silvas version a little bit

[@darwinswille3795]

Ears do grow and get bigger when you are 90 years old

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

No. They don’t. That’s why ears are more valuable than fingerprints for identification and why mug shots are taken from the side as well.

[@earlclue]

keep diggin, video invented 1892, in US 1890, plus there still are hundreds of still photos of many people from those days, maybe not billy, but the dozens of familar names from 1860-1910...there pics not discovered yet

[@attilathehun0]

A notorized piece of paper from 1990 claims Brushy is Billy the kid. I just can't wait for the 2022 sworn affidavit that Brushy is Bill the Kid.

[@thomasmanring7872]

What about the eyes witnesses that buried him,,,there's no way b.b.done all those things he said he done,,,

[@rodneywilliamson6048]

What’s going on?

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

SvaraGREAT VIDEO !!

[@thomasmanring7872]

Where are the pictures of the gunshot wounds,,, there's non right?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

None

[@davidball699]

They did face recognition, and the ears didn’t match. Brushy bill may not have been Billy the Kid, but I think he knew who he was and that he was still alive.

[@awakeningfaith2290]

I do love the channel and don't believe he was BTK. But I have to disagree about death bed confessions. I've found them to be the time of direct honesty. Also, "bar of believability" no if thats what it says that's what it says. We can't interpret what we feel or want to believe, its just a statement of what that person believed. If it's an unknown topic, we can't just say yeah but they were wrong.

[@alexsegurasr3028]

Fort Sumner nm has alot of history, Someone is always trying to steal it, Colorado wanted to take out green chili. We had an air base where they trained for gliders, A German pow camp, The atomic admiral who armed the bomb that was dropped over horishima japan that ended the war. Some town wanted to dig ul the kid move him to thier. TOWN. ARTISHA I Think might be riodoso i forget

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

It was actually Lincoln back in 1960 that went to court to try to move Billy's remains.

[@user-wy1dv2qk5o]

I personally believe Brushy was Billy , however as a researcher myself I have to admit that for whatever reason I cannot check my own bias . I want Brushy to be Billy

[@localbod]

That was interesting and I think you are right to say that it's for all of us to come to our own conclusions. Applying Occam's razor or the principle of parsimony, i.e., with competing theories or explanations, the simplest one with the least reliance on other factors is the more likely to be correct, I believe that BTK was shot and killed by Pat Garrett that night in 1881 in Fort Sumner. As for the idea that some town drunk was shot in the face to double as a dead BTK seems somewhat far fetched. As stated in previous presentations, Fort Sumner only had a population of 200 townsfolk. You kill one out of two hundred and it's noticeable. Then you need everyone in that town to be OK with that and keep it a secret, and that sounds implausible to me.

[@blixx8931]

Didn't look anything like Billy. Billy the kid has a totally different face.

[@jackhopkins4679]

Didn't they find brushy bills birth certificate?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

No...birth certificates were rare in the 1800s. Most birth and marriage records were kept by the family and/or the church.

[@stevenfugate4454]

I'm of the opinion that you are the prosecuting attorney on this guy your voraciously going after him just like a prosecutor would and how many innocent men have put on death row from someone like yourself I'm sure they believe they were on the righteous path still even after the person's they put away were exonerated of their crime

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

He won’t be on death row since he’s been dead for over 70 years. If examining real evidence is “going after him” then you probably should move on. You’ll find nothing here to your liking.

[@elstonflemming9487]

Why has no investigated Mary Robert's buried in hamilton texas

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

what's to investigate?

[@stephanwatson7902]

"Brushy was illiterate!" The same doubters "Brushy got all his info from reading books on Billy the Kid!" His version contradicts many of the books on Billy and repeatedly was proven to be more accurate to the facts. He even knew about a letter Billy sent to the governor and knew exactly what the letter said, yet that letter wasn't found until well after Brushy died! He said that Pat had shot one of Billy's Mexican friends and there's an obituary from the time, that said Billy had "stained his skin brown and grew a beard as a disguise, to try and pretended to be a Mexican". Other people who saw the body also said it had brown skin, which again fits Brushy's version

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Never said that. You’re just putting together a bunch of internet bullshit and calling it fact. You’re still wrong.

[@stephanwatson7902]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi I'm just stating what people claim and oh, I'm wrong? Oh so he was illiterate? Or wait no he wasn't and had written correspondences with people and spoke spanish. He also verbatim new of a letter Billy wrote to the governor, when that letter was only discovered after his death. People are very closed minded and when they pick a side of an argument, they won't even humor the idea that they could be wrong. Brushy's version of events is much more accurate than many books written about the Kid and he knew things that would later be proven to be true. But much like a flat earther, people will only look at one side of the argument and think that means they 100% know the whole story....too bad. I'll remain open minded and look at evidence for and against his claim tyvm

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@stephanwatson7902 there you go again..."just stating what people claim" as if it were fact. You've got a double standard....you get to say any unproven BS as fact, and no one is allowed to respond. The internet is littered with false claims about that old fraud....and you've fallen for it. If you start looking for real evidence to support Brushy's story, you'll quickly have to find another hobby.

[@stephanwatson7902]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi don't project what you're doing onto other people. You're claiming that that photo being from between 1887 and 1891 is "a lie" and yet you don't know who made that claim, or whether or not it's a lie.... That photo being taken at that time, would contradict what you believe and so you immediately claim it's a lie; without knowing whether or not that's true. That's probably one of the most annoying things about discussing things on youtube, is arguing with people's egos rather than just discussing people's honest beliefs. You dont _know_ that's a lie. You dont _know_ when the photo was taken and yet you KNOW that it wasn't between 1887-1891. Funny though, this photo you claim is Brushy at 10 years old, probably doesn't have a date stamped on it and yet you'll take that date as an absolute fact, simply because it fits with what you already believe to be true. Those double standards, I believe you mentioned? Projection...

[@stephanwatson7902]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi you know I just went back to make sure it was you, months ago I mentioned there's a couple more recent verified pictures of Billy the Kid and you claimed I "was just making it up". There are several more recent verified photos up for auction, selling for millions. I did not just "make it up" and you could have easily looked it up and realized I was right. Instead you immediately went to "you're just lying" which is the same response you did here. You said the only ones were the tintype and the croquet one, when they believe the croquet one isn't even Billy the Kid. So this seems to be a reoccurring problem with you, you immediately deny something without really knowing whether or not it's true. There _are_ a couple more verified photos of Billy and maybe you were too ego-driven to look it up and verify that for yourself, but immediately denying something without knowing whether or not it's true is intellectually dishonest. ...

[@rebeccastillings3816]

I think I have a picture of Billy the kid and dirty Dave

[@johnmcpherson1713]

Even if Billy wasn't killed that night, Brushy Bill almost certainly wasn't him. Brushy Bill was too young to be him, did not speak Spanish and was largely illiterate. He's kind of like the Anastasia of Billy the kid.

[@solidsnx]

Have you done much research? All the research I did seemed to show that he was, in fact, the right age, spoke fluent Spanish, and that his body was found to have all of the correct scars that Billy the Kid had. He also had intimate knowledge that someone would have had from being there.

[@steadyflow3790]

From all of the information I've gathered over the years, I have concluded that Brushy Bill was not Billy the Kid. He did however have a lot of knowledge of people and places, much of which was already on record as there were numerous books published before Brushy Bill went on record. He was probably a fanatic and eventually looked for fame and most likely $ There was a time when I was fascinated about the idea of Brushy Bill being Billy the Kid. I'm sure a lot of people are excited about that idea as well. I wish it were a true story but it's not.

[@insertnamehere313]

You may wanna gather more information. Garrett was denied the reward money twice. Poe says he doubts it was Bill..so did Kenny. Facial recognition used by the CIA,FBI and interpol was done on Billy and Brushy with over 92% match and in the eyes of the courts is considered one in the same.

[@steadyflow3790]

@@insertnamehere313 In the eyes of the court? That's not true at all. They do not match at all either. You may wanna gather more information.

[@insertnamehere313]

@@steadyflow3790 That is absolutely true. My step father was missing and murdered in the 80's and and the court wouldn't release his estate. The found his body and did facial recognition and it was 93% match and the judge and facial recognition expert said that's considered one in the same and released his estate.

[@insertnamehere313]

@@steadyflow3790 You may want to check yuh our research.. It was a 92% match..every Billy researcher knows that.

[@briancantu2201]

People have strong opinions on history. There are testimonies and letters and some people take much or all as gospel. A lot of people lied then as they lie now. People forget details, lie to make themselves more significant, or lie to hide truth to protect themselves or others. People will argue to the end with what can be or often is false info such as Billy being 21. I can see why you left several groups. It can be irritating as hell. Evidence may not be evidence.

[@131Dusty]

Yes... The fact that Garretts wife died a minimum of 4 years when this guy 'swears' she told him that story is enough to get that affadaved thrown out of any court.

[@twanger8237]

👍

[@bluesteeltraining]

Garrett may have had some personality flaws, but shooting an innocent for any reason seems out of character. Seems odd that Garrett’s wife would have told such a story to a 9 year old.

[@i.marr.6688]

The thing I find is why wasn't Billy the Kid photographed in a coffin? Every outlaw that was killed back then would be photographed in a coffin but one of the most famous of them all wasn't?

[@darryllucas7032]

Brushy bill was not billy the kid, there birth dates dont match

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Nor does anything else about them.

[@richardgarciaschoolboy7746]

I believe Billy the Kid was killed by Garrett because of all the eyewitnesses at the time and the affidavits presented saying Billy the Kid was dead.

[@shanefrericks2070]

Fact is Brushy bill spent time in Mexico and in the Southwest and people say he could not speak fluent Spanish. Bullshit. I've lived down there for a couple years and I can speak Spanish quite well. I don't believe that he could not speak it for 1 minute

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Can you show any legitimate evidence that Brushy spent any time in Mexico?

[@SteveSmith-fp9gn]

Can you provide proof that Brushy spoke Spanish? Just because you spent some time down and can speak it quite well doesn't qualify as proof

[@shanefrericks2070]

Amigo eres delirante. usa tu cabeza Porque eso es lo que Dois intento.

[@shanefrericks2070]

@SteveSmith-fp9gn do I need to say more? And I haven't been down there for 23 years and I just spoke to you in Spanish fluently so you go figure it out

[@SteveSmith-fp9gn]

@@shanefrericks2070 you didn't speak to me in Spanish plus it still doesn't prove that the liar Brushy spoke Spanish

[@DKingXJ]

As always, I appreciate your stance of keeping an open mind and following up on all purported "evidence". In this case I see nothing to serve as proof that Brushy was the Kid. I'm not a fan of Pat Garrett, I think he was every bit as "dirty" as ayone else in the LCW, but to think that he would murder an innocent bystander and then attempt to pass him off as the kid to the many people there who knew the Kid and viewed the body prior to burial...well that one stretches even the most vivid of imaginations to the breaking point. Affidavits are nothing more than a story someone is willing to swear to. I could swear an affidavit today that I had lunch with Bigfoot and Elvis...doesn't make it true. So, offering affidavits as proof is meaningless. Unless there was actual proof offered along with the affidavit, it's nothing more than someones story. It then becomes a matter of credibility, whether you choose to believe the individual telling the story.

[@PierreEmond]

This is all irrelevant... the ears!

[@rudybetta]

When being interviewed by William Morrison, Brushy Bill Roberts told him that is was his friend Billy Barlow that was killed by Garrett. I also listened to William Tunstill when he interviewed Ola Everhard a relative of Jesse James and how the two, BTK and Jesse were friends and how they were tied together. She also stated she knew BTK and said he was born in the last hour of the last day of December, 1859 in Buffalo Gap, Tx. She also stated that Jesse and Billy became friends when once Jesse had been shot in the shoulder and sought help from an old friend who he rode with in Quantrill's Raiders during the civil war, that person was James Roberts, BTK's father and at the time she said BTK was 7 years old and Jesse was 12-15 years older. She also went on to say that it was a guy named Bigelow that was killed by Bob Ford and his brother not Jesse. Bigelow was disliked by Jesse because he belonged to the Slade gang and every time they pulled a robbery he used Jesse's name. Ola states she has a letter from Bob Ford's niece that says the Ford's would never have shot Jesse because they were first cousins. Afterward Jesse went under the alias of James Frank Dalton, Jesse chose that name by using his sir name as his first his brother's name Frank and Dalton which was his mother's maiden name. Ola claims to have proof in family letters she has. All in all a very interesting interview

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Of course there is zero historical record of Billy Barlow....except in the popular song Cutty Wren that Brushy stole it from.....

[@davidball699]

Face recognition is already proved that brushy bill was not the kid

[@BB-xp4pz]

93% match….. pretty convincing

[@larry1824]

Brushy was earnest old man a serial liar and then became a human tourist trap to hico

[@jamesdavis4104]

Yeah Brushy Bill 110% was not him he’s discredited by family members who say he was not. I don’t understand why this guy is even a discussion. I drive by his grave in Hamilton going to horse Auction it makes me laugh everytime. Now the guy in Prescot. Could very well be him if he wasn’t killed by Garrett . I’m About 75% convinced he was killed by Garrett, just his story is what happened, I think Billy was in the house and was set up and he shot him in maxwells house. He wouldn’t of walked passed the two guys outside in his own socks. That’s the proof that he was in the house the whole time and very well was set up in an ambush in the house. Garrett in history has ambushed people. So pretty sure that’s what happened.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

True....Garrett did ambush and kill Charlie.....why not do it again?

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

I’m About 99,9% convinced he was killed by Garrett. It was some one ho died that night in Maxwell`s room ! If that "some one" would survived , how would he have survived a shot near the heart without modern medical science ? Imposible ?

[@hubbardengland3223]

No way brushy bill was the kid he illiterate billy the kid could read and speak Spanish brushy bill could not

[@BB-xp4pz]

Nothing outright says Brushy was illiterate, rather Morrison noted Brushy had many written journals in his possession.

[@danielwebster5748]

I even if bushy bill is not Billy the kid I believe that Billy the kid who six cents had saved him all his life continued that day he would have sent somebody else for the meat. Just like in the snow when Pat Garrett again shot the wrong Billy the kid and that time Billy the kids smelled a rat and he went back to the back of the line under the excuse of getting a piece of chewing tobacco and the guy in the back had a hunk he said later on he smelled a rat. Well someone that can smell a rat like that is not going to be wondering around aimlessly barefooted with a knife and a gun and not shoot. I would be willing to bet my bankroll he sent somebody else to get that meat he just wasn't stupid like that he wasn't intelligent but he wasn't stupid either and doing that with strangers there is just plump stupid it's very unbilly the kid like. Then you got to look at the deputies themselves who both said that Pat Garrett shot the wrong man his daughter said he shot the wrong man.and he told Billy the kids brother I believe that he shot the wrong man because Billy the kid's brother was there to kill him and after the meeting he shook his hand he told him something he wanted to hear and I don't see what in the world he could have told him to change that drastically other than your brother is still alive.

[@steverodriguez4871]

I’m f they don’t know who killed pat garret we’re never gonna know what happen with billy simple as that

[@davidball699]

It is also believed that the photo of Billy the Kid standing with his rifle is actually a death photo

[@jessmann2780]

I'm 0% convinced Roberts was the kid. 0 .

[@johnstanley9719]

This story sounds circumstantial to me. Nothing bu hearsay. Just like the story of Billy being 12...maybe 13 years old.

[@TheBatugan77]

No.

[@FranklinWilson-ev9dq]

Like I Said, I Always Thought, So!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!