The SECRET Brushy Bill/Billy the Kid EVIDENCE PACKET Revealed!!

Michael gains access to William V. Morrison's secret evidence packet that was presented to NM Governor TJ Mabry at his 1950 meeting with Brushy Bill Roberts. Does the packet blow the lid of Pat Garrett's story of killing The Kid? Listen and find out!
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[@georgeroberts613]

Mark Twain was in conversation on a sidewalk and was ask by a bystander if he'd like to participate in a debate scredualed to take place. Answered in the affirmative before she finished the sentence. He was then ask if he didn't want to know the subject first. He expounded it didn't matter, as long as he could take the negative side, for it took no preparation.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

So you’re saying you haven’t prepared?

[@ImmortalArts33]

Heh I hope it was a subject appropriate for his disagreeing.

[@DavidSantos-cb5mi]

I just found out that Doc Scurlock lived out the rest of his life in Eastland TX. Brushy Bill lived in Hico TX that about an hour from each other. I find that to be a little bit of a coincidence.

[@tiffanyprichard2197]

Oh I Love Doc I hope he did!! I’ll have to look through stuff

[@KevinWhite-zb5os]

All you have to do, is look at the photo of Billy, and compare his ears to Brushy Bill's. NO MATCH. The kid had prominent earlobes and Brushy did not. Unless he had plastic surgery to remove his lobes, Brushy Bill was just a sad old man, grasping for fame. He was NOT Billy the Kid.

[@nigelsmith2457]

​@@KevinWhite-zb5os The original tin type photo of Billy had degraded badly when found. Much of it has been restored, especially the ears and chin. People who knew him said that the restored version bore little resemblance.

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

I don't believe that Brushy was Billy but I do believe that there was a significant possibility that Garrett didn't kill The Kid

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Definite possibility. Proving it is the huge challenge...

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

Being from British Columbia I've always been interested in the Saga of Billy Tge Kid, as Tunstell left Vancouver Island before arriving in New Mexico

[@mattpayne4946]

Not discrediting your work but what about the matching scars on brush bill ,and the facial recognition that was 85 percent the other 15 accounted for aging and dental work.also brush bill said the woman claimed to be his mother was his aunt how would he know all that

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

No discredit taken. There is no photo of Brushy's scars in existence....although there was plenty of opportunity to take one. He claimed 26 knife and bullet wounds but The Kid was only documented to be shot one time. The facial recognition was actually a 93% match so that has to be taken seriously. Sources say the expert who did the comparison left the ears out of the equation. Aging is not supposed to affect these comparisons. Brushy said Catherine was his aunt, but records in Wichita, KS, Santa Fe, NM, and Silver City, NM all document that she had two sons...Henry and Joseph. I hope this helps clear those things up.

[@mattpayne4946]

I did a study but I'm not on your level on this subject ,there seem to be very few people born with wrists like Billy the kid he had abnormal hands .Brush demonstrated the ability to slip cuffs the same way as his wrists were the same.its very hard to decipher what s real .I guess some things add up but some do not.one time in a parade in brush bills town someone in the crowd yelled hey Billy,brushes reaction as an old man was to twist and grab for z gun that wasn't there it was an old reaction

[@mattpayne4946]

Oh also did a small study on the dental issue.if you have a large volume of teeth removed it can change bone structure in the jaw ,the jaw will receed upon healing from trauma to bone structure so age might not affect facial comparison but bone loss from dental work can .it sure interesting to see the chano Silva interview

[@mattpayne4946]

Also forgot to add but when brush was alive there were 3 sworn statements from people who knew the kid the statements said they personally knew Billy and brush was without a doubt him

[@andreww8941]

Great channel !!!! Thanks for the excellent info.

[@DlizardK]

Love the new video element to the show, it really helps to see what you are referencing while talking.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Thanks! I’ll keep going with it. :-)

[@michaelvoorhees5978]

Brushy bill is my great grandpa and he was NOT Billy the kid.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Thank you.....if you're truly related, come on the show sometime.

[@clivebaxter6354]

Why say he was then at his age?

[@danilecashin4126]

Why was he claiming it then. Good question?

[@danilecashin4126]

Do you have any proof you are his great grandchild

[@armymomheatherc]

luv the channel btw. I AM HOOKED!

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Thank you for watching!

[@Phildo8]

“HI BOB……. BYE BOB!!!!”😂😂

[@oggyraverbabyghost]

Been fascinated in Billy the Kid since I was a teenager, I personally think that Pat didn’t shoot & kill him I’ve always thought that they conspired between them to say that Pat shot him & shared the reward money, I have my doubts that Brushy Bill was The Kid as much as I would love for this to be the case & he has a lot of coincidental evidence that he was the Kid the story’s & history of Billy have been legendary since the times of the Lincoln County War & there is doubt about Brushy being Billy & if there’s doubts then anyone in their right minds or in a court of law has to say that he wasn’t Billy The Kid, where he went & when he died will be one of those mysteries if we accept the fact that Pat didn’t kill him, I now this subject divides opinions as some say he was a cold blooded killer, but I have always said he was a victim of circumstance & of the time, he killed for revenge mainly or if someone crossed him or someone he knew & I think if we were living back in the old west we would do the same, Sheriff Brady deserved what he got & if the murder case was tried now I think he would be found not guilty as Brady was so corrupt the courts would say he got what was coming to him. As much as I would love to think that Billy is buried in Old Fort Sumner & I will visit the grave when I end up coming to the US Old West visiting the sites of the Old West & Lincoln County I actually think Billy ended up in old Mexico & lived out the rest of his life in relative peace & his grave is somewhere in Mexico yet to be discovered, he maybe a killer & outlaw in the eyes of the law but each one of his kills can be justified apart from James Bell which I think was accidental & ended up being a means to escape as every story of that escape states that he regretted killing Bell but he wanted to kill Bob Olinger as he was a murder & a bully hiding behind his badge. I hope this mystery can be solve but as more time goes by it’s getting harder. Billy The Kid was the US Robin Hood & a legend

[@awakeningfaith2290]

I feel the same, I'm not sure on Brushy either. I think the best most undeniable evidence that pat didnt kill him was that Patts daughter said he didn't. If you watch "brushy bill in his own words", he just states the facts of what Brushy said, and what's known in history. He was either the kid, or absolutely had to have been there for the events. Also Sylva did say Brushy was him so idk.

[@royjacobson5561]

Brush Billy wasn't born yet when William Bonney was alive during his times. The Billy the Kid best friend Jose saw William was killed. After several day later, Jose went to a tree where Billy the Kid hide his revolver in the ground, so Jose went to that tree and dig up, got his revolver out and took it home, then clean up. Jose also had Billy the Kid rife, saddle and other belongings. He sold most of his things. All things had passed on for several years, then the last person who had his belongings and taken to the museum.

[@royjacobson5561]

@@awakeningfaith2290 Brushy Billy was not born yet, and he was only 2 year old when Billy the Kid was kid. Brushy Billy was born on August 26, 1879. He was 20 year younger than Billy the Kid. You will need look up information on Brushy Billy.

[@awakeningfaith2290]

@@royjacobson5561 I have many times. The contested date of birth would be the hole in his story. But that doesn't explain everything he did know that nobody else did. And it doesn't help Garrett's story which is lies too. I don't necessarily believe brushy was the kid, but I do believe he was there or knew someone very closely that was.

[@KevinWhite-zb5os]

@@awakeningfaith2290 All you have to do, is look at the photo of Billy, and compare his ears to Brushy Bill's. NO MATCH. The kid had prominent earlobes and Brushy did not. Unless he had plastic surgery to remove his lobes, Brushy Bill was just a sad old man, grasping for fame. He was NOT Billy the Kid.

[@bendover4154]

I briefly believed Brushy Bill was the Kid for two reasons. 1. I dearly wanted to. 2. The famous movie. I never found any credible evidence to say he was. However... a plethora of evidence to say he wasn't. EVERYTHING I've ever read or heard concerning Pat Garrett failed to impress me much. That in itself leads me to believe he screwed up the kid's ambush too. While I no longer believe Brushy Bill was the kid, I still have high hopes that he escaped to live happily ever after. Having said that, I have my doubts that he survived. Not because of what history has told us, but what it hasn't. I seriously doubt the real Billy could simply vanish. That doesn't match the personality I have in mind for him. Sometimes reality sucks.

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

All this being said, Pat Garrett's reputation after this, didn't help his story. Just saying

[@cindybash1667]

Whenever a famous Outlaw was killed there was a picture of the officers that killed him. Why wasn't there a picture of Pat & his men with the dead body of Billy the Kid??? Think about it.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

No photographer in the remote village of Fort Sumner?

[@DavidSmith-uj2pt]

No tailors either but garrett still got him a new suit for buriel if you are to believe the Narative. Nether mind that many Lesser infamous outlaws when killed and had a death on the spot photo were out further in the wilderness that fort sumner ! Just to ad ,Burns book was proven wrong in many many instances , brushy stated fact after fact that was only found out way after his death , and the only research brushy could have done at the time he lived was the burns book ! and he disagreed with many statements made by burns the in book about billy ! As for many saying brushy couldnt have been billy because he was born in 1879 NOT TRUE ! the real brushy was born in 1859 in texas Im not saying that brushy was the kid , im saying the Narative that garrett shot billy is making brushy more like he was the kid! The garrett story is completey stupid!

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@DavidSmith-uj2pt right, because photographers cruised around the wilderness waiting to find a dead outlaw with a buck in their pocket for a photo.

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

I'm sure in the early 20th Century people might believe Brushy Bill's tales. But come the early 1950's there are much more credible ways to research everything

[@KevinWhite-zb5os]

All you have to do, is look at the photo of Billy, and compare his ears to Brushy Bill's. NO MATCH. The kid had prominent earlobes and Brushy did not. Unless he had plastic surgery to remove his lobes, Brushy Bill was just a sad old man, grasping for fame. He was NOT Billy the Kid.

[@staceyrotenberger8246]

Pat garrett may have lied, has anyone else ever lied? Because garrett may have lied about parts of the story doesn't mean he lied about all of it. To many witnesses saw the kid dead. If garrett did lie about parts of the story, you can believe Noone who has lied. If you won't believe garrett killed him, your dismissing to much evidence. I've heard people saying garrett lied, I've lied myself, but I've also told the truth. Great job Mag.

[@chipmusick682]

Greeting from Va. Thanks again for all your hard work and sharing with us. Like you, I haven't put much stock in the latest tidbit going around, the one about that i verified photo being a "death" photo but I saw a closeup of the eyes and nose and forehead Online recently. Whether or not it was doctored I don't know but I know this...you could see large dark shadows in the inside corner of the eyes that look like places where blood has pooled...and the eyes themselves are looking in TWO different directions that is just spooky. If his eyes were that crossed in life, he couldn't have been worth s*** with a gun. Check it out if you can..thanks again for all your hard work and the entertainment you provide on such an interesting character..BTK forver! Hey! kudos for the WNB part...good memory!

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Thanks Chip!

[@chipmusick682]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi If and when you check it out, please let me know...I will try to let you know which video it was when I find it again.

[@jmiller1977]

Hope u had a great anniversary ! .

[@patriciaevans266]

If you go to jessiejames photo album you will find billy the kids photos on the list. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

I’m not a photo expert. Hell, I’m not an expert on anything. With all of these Billy photos I say this. If you want it to be him, it’s him. None of them will ever be authenticated with no provenance but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t enjoy them.

[@mrrooster4876]

Billie rode with Arkansas Dave and Dave also ran with the James-Younger gang, this is Fact!

[@attilathehun0]

My educated guess at the pardon hearing people that seen Billy or his picture and they took one look at Brushy and went WTF? Nah! And that's why they did not give a shit to read the evidence package!

[@attilathehun0]

Well Done!

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Thank you much!

[@attilathehun0]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Your welcome!

[@gingerkink7609]

Thank you. Never believed Brushy Bill but your video on the ears really clinched it for me

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@barrybateman903]

Your nose and ears seem to grow your whole life due to gravity which makes them longer and your face starts to wrinkle which can make you look quite different

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@barrybateman903 earlobes that are detached do not attach to the face later in life no matter how much you want them to. This case is closed.

[@OldAgeTeddyboy]

@@barrybateman903 The first American plastic surgeon was John Peter Mettauer, who, in 1827, performed the first cleft palate operation with instruments that he designed himself.

[@hirepgym6913]

There is several things that make it quite possible Garrett never killed Billy but Brushy ? i think he was having a laugh

[@hirepgym6913]

several things come to mind no photo ? Garrett dug up Henry McCarthy's grave and buried Billy Barlow ? Garrett was a liar

[@ccrider3435]

@@hirepgym6913 The FACT that people blithely believe 'the victors' is astounding. They were lying, murderous criminals, betrayers, liars, cheaters and thieves. They will readily and wholeheartedly believe that Governor Wallace double-crossed Billy, but not distrust the 'official' record of the double-crossers. If people are proven to be liars, stop assuming their 'historical record' is gospel. No wonder Billy the Kid was an outlaw.

[@georgeroberts613]

Ya, your logic isn't that good in discrediting Roberts. To say his story of wanting to go after Garrett after being patched up some isn't rational ignores the gungho attitude, temper and tenacity of everything we know about the real person. And no lawyer would admit to another crime, in the process of the effort involved, regarding the two deputies on his escape. You don't seem to get it. Some things in your past are indelible. IT's apparent the gov. was trying to intimidate Roberts...and induced a stroke or heart attack in the process. Closed minds are just that.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

This response is silly. I have an open mind to real evidence. With brushy, there is none. Maybe check your own mind to see if it’s closed.

[@armymomheatherc]

Garrett didn't kill the Kid. His daughter said this in 1983. Her Daddy told her this and it was a well known fact among them. Then this, Garrett wouldn't shoot a man in the back. Its an unwritten rule back then. Then like you said in this vid, the facts about how he was buried,killed etc dont make any sense. What was the rush? Why wouldnt Garrett parade the fact he killed the Kid around town? BECAUSE HE DIDN'T. They were friends before Garrett became a lawman. My hunch is Brushy and Garrett were covering for him the entire time, til the time they grew old and died. Brushy was lying 2 protect everyone .He was very loyal. Even if it made himself look bad. If at shot someone that night,it wasn't the kid.

[@jasonarrington7697]

They shot people in the back all the time. The idea of 2 people lining up and drawing didn’t actually happen. People took cheap shots to kill someone just like they do today

[@bradgaines]

@@jasonarrington7697 Exactly! Wild Bill Hickok was literally shot in the back of the head.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

One thing I can say is that Garrett shot Folliard in the dark, Charlie from ambush with no warning, and Billy or whoever it was in the pitch black without a word. He didn’t seem to show much inclination for a fair fight.

[@armymomheatherc]

@@Mr.56Goldtop sure is puzzling why Elizabeth Garrett would tell a different story than the 1 we been told. She has no reason 2 concoct a lie like that. The mere facts in this case support shenanigans. Garrett were friends enough 2 have taken a photo together. Garrett isnt going 2 shoot ANYONE in the back. He wasn't that ruthless. Just sayin...The Elizabeth Garrett interview is the smoking gun for me. Pun intended. She lends much credibility to the idea that Garrett never killed him.

[@armymomheatherc]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi I can see that. His reasoning likely was, its dark...its either him or me. He really had 0 choice in that case. What was the rush 2 bury Billy btw? Why does Pats own daughter flatly say in 1983 that her Dad told her he didn't shoot the kid? That should be end of story. If he had , he would have told her so. No reason 2 lie. You would think they would have celebrated the most wanted outlaw alive being killed by Garrett...UNLESS....hmmm...

[@mikeirish1003]

Pretty weak arguments presented here. These arguments only make sense if you are looking for confirmation bias

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

You mean the arguments are weaker than the one affidavit presented from anyone who actually knew Billy the Kid prior to 1881?

[@royjacobson5561]

Think about this Brushy Billy was born on Aug. 26th, 1879, so he was 20 years younger than William Bonney, and William was 20 years older than Brushy Billy, He had not born yet while William was the Billy the Kid during his own times. Many of you must first research before you learned about Brushy Billy. William was born in Sept/Oct. 1859 in New York. And then he settled in New Mexico sometime in 1872 or 1873. So where was Brushy Billy, he wasn't born yet?

[@DavidSmith-uj2pt]

Thats not brushy who was born in 1879 wrong Man

[@DavidSmith-uj2pt]

Your completely wrong on all counts and have you got any proof whatsoever billy was born in New York ?

[@douglasboyd8475]

Census records show and prove Brushys life and that he wasn’t Billy the Kid. His birth is recorded. He was much younger than the kid. Wasn’t even born in the same state as the kid.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

you don't need to convince me.....but as far as others go?....

[@basildubose]

Not true...it shows Oliver P Roberts, so you're choosing to believe that Brushy Bill is Oliver P.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@basildubose Brushy was in fact Oliver Partridge Roberts. He was most definitely not Billy the Kid. You can argue forever but it won’t change the facts.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@basildubose Brushy was in fact Oliver Partridge Roberts. He was most definitely not Billy the Kid. You can argue forever but it won’t change the facts.

[@douglasboyd8475]

@@basildubose Look at young Brushy. No resemblance. His own family said he was not the kid.

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

Hello again. Have a strong idea who John Miller may be. Understand that it does not belong to this podcast but I do not know how I can contact you otherwise. ? Jesse Evans (c. 1853 - unknown; disappeared 1882) was an American outlaw and gunman of the Old West, and leader of the Jesse Evans Gang. He received some attention due to his disappearance in 1882, after which he was never seen or heard again. from him. ”Do you know more about Jesse Evans?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Well Jesse Evans was in prison in TX during that time so it could not have been him that showed up as Miller....

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Can't let go of who John Miller is and would love to find out who he was before he changed his name. If you look at Jesse Evans on Wikipedia and see the picture of him, he is not at all different from John Miller. He disappeared in 1882 and it could just as well be August 1881. Where did you find information that he was locked up in 1881-82?

[@tjingram1207]

Evan’s escaped from prison in 1882 and was never seen again, but this whole brushy Billy started from a joe Hines whom was supposed to be Evan’s that lived in Florida and Morrison worked with him first according to Daniel Edwards .

[@karenfinneganart2480]

Its known in the circle of psychology that memories are not reliable, so there you go.....

[@contactlight8079]

All this effort to prove that BB wasn't BTK I wish the same effort was put in to confirm Garrett shot Billy...because the only thing more odd than BB's story is the obvious fabrication that Garrett shot the kid.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Always room on KZbin for another channel. I’ll eagerly subscribe to yours.

[@attilathehun0]

Contact Light many people in Fort Sumner who actually knew Billy the Kid saw the corpse as BTK. There ain't much effort to prove Brushy is a fraud just look at the pictures. More effort is made to promote Brushy as Billy the Kid for book sales and tourism dollars.

[@divindragon1302]

It would be nice if you would put those papers in a pdf file for us to download and read.

[@CowboyAxe]

If he was alive he probably would have explained the night at Pete Maxwell's place etc, and the days there after. He offered nothing new and convincing, just day old hash.

[@glennwebster1675]

Interesting.

[@patriciaevans266]

What about the pastore photos of billy the kid. If they are real then that proves billy lived on and was even photographed with pat garret supposedly long after he was supposed to have been killed.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Not sure which photos you are referencing?

[@mrrooster4876]

No one has said that photo was later on. That photo appears to feature members of the Seven Rivers Gang of which Jesse Evans, Pat Garret and Billie The Kid were members of prior to 76. Garret went on his own. Billie went with Tunstall who was allied with Chisum. Jesse then allies with Murphy as he has bad blood with Chisum.

[@xrpeople]

Where are the voice recording s of brushy bill ?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Good question. For some reason we’re not allowed to hear them.

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

If I had written this report I would've mentioned Garrett's reputation.

[@tiffanyprichard2197]

I need to read up and listen to it again

[@mikemilburn4313]

It's so hard to figure out this whole thing and take a position. The shooting of BTK by Garrett and the suspicious burial that night, starts the story off with a degree of deception that gives the story of BTK surviving a reason to be believed. On one hand, if you believe that (Brushy) was born in 1879 vs 1859, then he's too young to be BTK. If you look at everything Brushy Bill claims he did after the "death" of BTK, it's too wild and unbelievable. Joined Pinkerton, ran with Poncho Villa, ran with the James gang, was in the Buffalo Bill Wild West show, etc.... Trying to keep from being recognized? Not very believable. But then on the other hand he has such detailed info (for being either 90 or a 70 years old) about so many things that seem to be verified as fact in spite of historic retellings. Yet, his details always seem to pan out as being the accurate version. His version of what he did after the escape from jail was very detailed and his knowledge of the jail layout and where things happened as well as how it had changed from back in the late 1800s was accurate. His route taken to escape including a cave he hid in after the shootout with Garrett and his gang where he claimed that his ex-girlfriend (Cela) helped him get bandaged up was verified as true. Then you have his injuries, 26 markings that match BTK? WTH?

[@aprilknochelmann2492]

I’m sure you have read the transcripts of brushy bill and Morrison just like I have. If you can’t see in there, so many example’s of details that brushy bill knew that was never in any books especially in any books that brushy bill could have read while he was alive. I think that it is not to hard to believe that brushy bill was definitely the kid!! I know there will always be different insights. But brushy bill just gave to many details of being the kid. I think if you Wright a book today, and do not include all the transcripts of brushy bill and Morrison. To let the reader’s decide the truth I don’t think it will be a good book to read. Because the billy the kid story has been told a thousand times, but I believe the most compelling and interesting is brushy bill Robert’s. I just do not believe that brushy bill Robert’s being his age and in the 1940s could have investigated information that was hardly known by anyone except people who were directly involved. Especially by an elderly man. Brushy bill in my opinion is the kid. And he lived out his life without having to look over his shoulder. Because to the population he was already dead. I think that brushy bill aka the kid. Decided in his old age. That he wanted a pardon and that it was important that people know the truth. It is not very hard to believe. But you hard core spectics will always be that because you have and adgenda to sell as many books as possible. But you would sell more if you focused on brushy bill. Sorry for any punctuation or spelling errors I’m typing fast on a small phone.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

There are no transcripts and no one has been allowed to listen to any tapes. Brushy knew nothing that wasn’t already known and got many things wrong. Next.

[@magicalunicorn2657]

What I never understand is why they never took a picture of Billy They have DNA from his mom But when it came to Resuming his body Said no They also said there was a flood and it might have washed away his bones Which I don't know if there is or not or if there ever has been a flood in the area But it bushy is really the kid then You would think they would have his DNA test. But it still takes me back to my 1st question they never took a picture of Billy the Kid's dead body which I never understood they did with Jesse James But when it comes to Billy the Kid they refuse To have anything done on Billy the Kid To prove to whose who you would think they would want To put that mystery to rest but who knows.. And it was normal back then to take a picture of notorious Well known outlaws and Billy the Kid was a very big person back in the day not to not take a picture To prove to the world that you did shoot the person.. There's only 2 pictures Billy the Kid that people know of today And supposedly Pat Garrett knew who He looked like so why didn't He take a picture And you can't tell me he didn't have a camera Well notorious Billy the Kid and you shot and killed him and you don't have a camera to put to the world that you actually shot Billy the Kid.. I think that's where everybody is confused I myself believe that Billy got away Whether or not he was blushy bill remains a mystery But I don't think he was that stupid enough to get shot...

[@danielmckay3458]

Absolutely I think that was the biggest smoking gun I'm sure there would have been photos taken

[@attilathehun0]

There was no cameraman in 1881 Fort Sumner. In the 1940's-1950 cameras were a dime a dozen. There are no pictures of Brushy's 26 bullet and knife scars on his body. There are pictures of both young and old Brushy, but no mangled face from getting shot in the jaw by Pat Garrett and no bullet scar on the top of his bald head. There is no mystery Brushy was a fraud.

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

I think that anyone who has researched all this, believe that Paulitta Maxwell WAS Billy's sweetheart. Well known

[@luke8210]

Only way to settle it is dna. Problem is, way too many people still making money off of the kid's name.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

still might happen though.....the more time that goes by, the more it might make sense to some people to try to get it done.

[@luke8210]

I personally think it should definitely happen.

[@attilathehun0]

Luke DNA from what?

[@cyrisssmith8830]

What about the facial recognition passing, the scars, same skills, and same spoken languages?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

no match on recognition, no evidence of matching scars....lots of people speak Spanish.

[@kevinallen1970]

Why would *anyone* be arrested in 1889 (or any time after July 14 1881) for being Billy the Kid when the public information at that time, even according to this evidence packet, was that Billy the Kid was killed on July 14 1881? Also what evidence does he present to support any such arrest and subsequent dismissal of charges?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

No evidence presented.....just like the vast majority of Brushy/Morrison stories. It's just something you're supposed to believe if you believe that Roberts as The Kid.

[@kevinallen1970]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi haha....it's called a TMB document - "Trust Me, Bro!"

[@twanger8237]

Mined my spelling. Brushy might not b the kid. Or Miller. I find it strang that Garitts gun sold for big 🤑. The aleged kniph was sold as well. Unless a small legion in its self. But you woulda thought SOMEONE would have keep his guns. Sadal. Even his damn boots. Thoght he liked nice hats??? Lota funny stuff about it all?!?! Doc Scerlock not saying a damn thing the rest of his life. Im new to the story. Bin bingeing every thing billy. Looking forward for more. N i hope we keep digin n find out more

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

You’re right about the gun. There’s a good chance that maybe Billy wasn’t even carrying one. Garrett would probably want us to believe that billy had a gun so he wasn’t guilty of shooting an unarmed man.

[@twanger8237]

Yes. But but if he was shot in bed or where ever. His things n horse would b kickin around. Im not consernd with Garitts story. Which bed where his boots under. Sounds like eather thay ambushed the kid in bed. Dressed him up baried him first light. And what the girl friend had his guns and horse mayb any $ he had in his pockets??? Was Billy not half ass famuse even well he wa alive? If i was still alive. I wouldnt wont my pic out there. Only one shity tin tip

[@twanger8237]

And you do good work sir 👍👍

[@mrrooster4876]

Doc is portrayed very incorrectly in pop culture.

[@ZeteticPlato]

👍

[@terrynichols4056]

I hear what your saying about information being in books but billy supposedly can't read so how can he remember all of these things from books when he can't read 😊

[@AJLopez44]

Sorry, but having watched your movie on the last trial of BTK…I agree with the jury that brushy bill is not the kid…

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Thanks for watching the film! If you haven’t already, a review on Amazon would be greatly appreciated. :-)

[@robertsherman5428]

Nice Hat

[@garriesmith7399]

Wasn't " Billy Barlow " a name they used in the 1800's , like we say "John Doe" nowadays? So of course you are not going to find info on Barlow.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

No...that's a myth created by Brushy Bill "experts" and authors.

[@snellsworld2648]

I'm not sure if bushy was the kid or not but there is enough of a doubt if he really shot abd killed him that night though

[@terrynichols4056]

If brushy bill couldn't read where did he get the info

[@LucasSpeer2023]

The three day battle quote came from Walter Noble Bums' book as with most of his supposed knowledge. See p. 114. You will notice that the things that Brushy got wrong are the same things that Walter Noble Burns got wrong.

[@CowboyAxe]

I do not believe a word from Brushy, but something odd, where was the fan fare and pictures of his body, according to some they had photo shops near by, were they doing it out of respect or what?, the lack of excitement over his death,

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

there's a photo of him in his coffin floating around. There's no photo of his 26 scars and bullet wounds however....not that that would prove anything anyway. He was relatively unknown outside of Texas and for a brief while, NM....kind of a 15 minutes of fame guy.

[@CowboyAxe]

Thank you, that explains it better. @@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi

[@terrynichols4056]

Your talking about books that brushy bill can't read according to you

[@michaelmckinnon3476]

Brushy Bill Roberts was Buckshot Roberts because after the Blazers shootout Billy The Kid walks up to the one killed and removes something, then walks to one of the survivors and gives them what was taken off the body. Buckshot Roberts was paid by Tunstill to act as a mole , but he was found out and so the "twins" were sent out so that one could shoot the other and the one that was going to be shot was Buckshot Roberts, who'd been a member of the Lincoln County Regulator was really liked by Billy The Kid (supposedly Billy The Kid and Buckshot Roberts were biological brothers)

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Well this is certainly one I’ve never heard before.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

So this means that Brushy/Buckshot was 120 years old when he died in 1950?

[@OldAgeTeddyboy]

This doesnt prove anything, this evidence is totally biased against Brushy Bill, yet he went on to prove he knew much more than anyone else, Friends of Billys confirmed that Brushy Bill was in fact Billy the kid, Hines told Morrison of his experiences in the Lincoln County War with Billy the Kid, who had been killed by Sheriff Pat Garrett on July 14, 1881. Hines stunned Morrison by claiming that the Kid was still alive and living near Hamilton, Texas under the name Ollie P. Roberts (nicknamed Brushy Bill). Morrison then began a correspondence with Roberts, who eventually confessed to being the Kid, and who went into fine and intimate detail of his exploits as an outlaw. He filled in many aspects of the life of Billy the Kid and, furthermore, wanted Morrison's help to acquire the full pardon he had been promised by New Mexico Governor Lew Wallace in 1879 but then had been refused. He showed his ability to slip out of handcuffs, and he also reported that Garrett had actually shot and killed another gunslinger named Billy Barlow and had passed his body off as the Kid's, which had allowed the Kid to vanish and escape to Mexico. Roberts told Morrison that he would agree to tell the whole truth in exchange for the full pardon he had been promised by Wallace following the Lincoln County War. His sudden appearance and request for a pardon had a profound effect on Garrett's descendants. Brushy Bill had been living under the alias of Ollie L. Roberts, and from the time Geneva Pittmon was a little girl, she was told that Brushy Bill was her uncle Ollie. She had never known the truth of his identity because her father, Thomas U. Roberts, had helped to hide Brushy and keep his identity as Billy the Kid secret. In support of his story, Brushy Bill had every scar that Billy the Kid had sported (and more). Morrison also attempted to track down former Evans Gang member Jim McDaniel's, locating him in Round Rock, Texas. McDaniel's, along with Severo Gallegos, Martile Able, Jose Montoya, and Bill and Sam Jones, all of whom had known Billy the Kid, signed affidavits claiming to verify that Roberts was in fact Billy the Kid. The Kid had spoken Spanish fluently and could read and write (his letters to Governor Lew Wallace seeking a pardon still survive), but historians still argue over whether Brushy Bill was even literate. However, when Morrison took Brushy to visit with Severo Gallegos, Brushy spoke with Severo's Mexican neighbor, Josephine Sanchez, in perfect Spanish. Jim Tully signed an affidavit that Brushy could speak Spanish as well as a native. Bob Young, Alton Thorton, W. F. Hafer, Jimmy Ramage, Ablo Norman, Tom Turner, and L. L. Gamble also said Brushy was fluent in Spanish. On the morning of the 29th, as Morrison and Brushy ate breakfast at a Santa Fe diner, Morrison read in a local newspaper that New Mexico governor, Thomas J. Mabry had publicly announced his meeting with a Billy the Kid claimant. Morrison immediately telephoned Mabry, who apologized for making the announcement, but reassured him that the meeting would still be kept private. A few hours later, Brushy and Morrison arrived at Mabry's mansion. Upon entering the conference room, they were shocked at what they saw. Present in the room were several photographers and reporters, armed policemen, Oscar and Jarvis Garrett (Pat's sons), Cliff McKinney (Kip McKinney's son), Arcadio Brady (William Brady's grandson), and historians William Keleher, E. B. Mann, and Will Robinson. In short, the private meeting had developed into a media circus. Badly frightened, Brushy apparently suffered a mild stroke, and when the questioning began, he failed miserably. However, the men asking the questions seemed to treat the affair as something as a joke, some ridiculed him and refused to ask questions while others primarily asked meaningless questions (i.e. how many girlfriends he had, did he enjoy stealing livestock, etc.). He completely forgot basic information about himself and, when asked a question regarding the past of Billy the Kid, he couldn't remember Pat Garrett's name. Stating he felt ill, he was eventually taken to another room to lie down. Shortly thereafter, Governor Mabry made an announcement that he was not going to pardon Brushy, because he did not believe him to be Billy the Kid. Disappointed, Morrison took Brushy to a local doctor, Stan Lloyd, and when he was well enough, he took him home to Hico. In Hico, Brushy was reexamined by Dr. W. F. Hafer and told to get as much rest as possible. In the meantime, Morrison was to continue working on his case. On December 27, 1950, when his wife said she needed to mail a package, Brushy said he would walk it down to the post office. As he walked down the street, Brushy suffered a heart attack. He fell to the ground and died shortly afterwards. Brushy and his story were largely forgotten until the movie Young Guns II depicted him as the narrator of events surrounding the life and times of Billy The Kid and the Lincoln County War. More books were written on the mystery and researchers began exploring whether Brushy’s claim might have actually been true. The debate has raged to this day including several failed attempts to obtain permission for exhumation and DNA testing. Numerous books have also been published since 1950 advancing Brushy's claim, the first of which was Alias Billy the Kid written by Morrison and the renowned western historian C.L. Sonnichsen. This book received mixed reviews at the time but did win support from former President Harry S. Truman who wrote to Morrison indicating he believed that Brushy was Billy the Kid and lamenting that he died before being able to go in front of the next governor, where he may have gotten a more favorable result. In October 2014, new information was published in the book Billy the Kid: An Autobiography, which included military and genealogical records that supported certain aspects of Brushy Bill's story. A new photographic comparison of a young Brushy Bill with the Billy the Kid ferrotype image was included as well as a photo of him serving with the Rough Riders just as he had claimed. In April 2015, media personality Bill O'Reilly weighed in on the topic by publishing his book Bill O'Reilly's Legends and Liars: The Real West in which he suggests that the evidence in favor of Brushy Bill Roberts outweighs the accepted version of history citing the original Alias Billy the Kid book by Morrison and Sonnichsen. O'Reilly followed up his book with an episode on the subject during his national television broadcast depicting the events that occurred during the alleged killing of the Kid from Brushy Bill's perspective. In 2003 Lincoln County Sheriff Tom Sullivan, Capitan, New Mexico Mayor Steve Sederwall, and De Baca County, New Mexico Sheriff Gary Graves began a campaign to exhume the remains of Billy the Kid and his mother, Catherine Antrim, to prove it was in fact Billy the Kid buried in Fort Sumner through DNA. The initiative hit snags from the beginning. First, there is no confirmation as to where the remains are located. Second were the legalities, with both pro-Brushy Bill Roberts and anti-Brushy Bill Roberts experts protesting the exhumation. The exhumation of both sets of remains was blocked in court in September 2004. The Fort Sumner Cemetery where Billy the Kid was said to have been buried was washed out by the Great Pecos River Flood in 1904. The damage was so great that exposed remains had to be reburied with most being unidentified. Billy's headstone had been washed away and his grave remained unmarked for 28 years. Although a headstone was erected in 1932 it is unknown where the original grave was. The Silver City cemetery where Catherine Antrim was buried was sold in 1882 with the new owner required to relocate the graves outside the city limits. There is no record to indicate whether the bodies were moved or just the headstones. It is possible that other people had been buried in the same grave. It is possible that she had been originally buried in an unmarked grave with the headstone placed by guesswork later. Considering the length of time since burial it is likely any remains have decomposed completely and there is a negligible chance of positively identifying remains if any are found. Was Brushy Bill Billy the Kid??, possible, people who knew the Kid identified Brushy Bill Roberts as being Billy the Kid, Yet it seemed like the authorities went to great lengths to discredit anyone who could identify Brushy as Billy, the wounds on his body were in the same places the kid had them, he proved he could speak Spanish, and of course, lets not forget Pat Garratts family, they would want to see anyone who claimed they were Billy the Kid discredited, because if would prove pat Garratt lied about shooting Billy the Kid.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

You're wrong on the affidavits (and a lot of things you posted here). The Jones boys said Brushy was not the Kid and refused to sign them. :-)

[@OldAgeTeddyboy]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Thats a different story to the ones others are telling, it will take more than one person on KZbin to convince many who dont believe the bias others tell, for someone to come up with the idea to pass themselves off as someone like Billy the Kid back then is something near impossible to do, to know the things he did would take Google today, also historians are naturally biased, they set the narrative to the story, and no governor will pardon Billy the Kid back then, the meeting was always a set up. In the fall of 1949, Morrison took Brushy with him to New Mexico for the purpose of having Brushy meet with some surviving acquaintances of Billy the Kid, to see if they could verify or deny his claim. Earlier, Morrison had been given the names Billy’s remaining acquaintances by other respected historians such as Maurice Fulton and William Keleher. While in New Mexico, the pair stopped at sites such as Fort Sumner and Lincoln. In the courthouse in Lincoln, Brushy detailed to Morrison how he, as Billy the Kid, made his famous escape and killed deputies Bob Olinger and James Bell. By the time they had completed their trip and returned to Brushy’s home in Hico, Texas (he had moved from Hamilton in the summer of ‘49), they had managed to meet with Severo Gallegos, Martile Able, Jose Montoya, and Bill and Sam Jones. The first three all signed legal affidavits attesting to the fact that Brushy Bill and Billy the Kid were one and the same and the Jones brothers, although they did not sign affidavits (claiming they didn’t want to get involved in the proceedings) also stated their agreement with this. It has been claimed that Brushy Bill was illiterate, and therefore could not have been Billy the Kid. In truth, Brushy was completely literate. He had several diaries when Morrison found him, he wrote several letters to Morrison and other people, and he had thought for a time to write his autobiography, but later decided not to, fearing the press he might get. Jim Tully, a good friend of Brushy's, signed an affidavit that Brushy was completely literate. Bob Young, Alton Thorton, W. F. Hafer, Jimmy Ramage, Ablo Norman, Tom Turner, and L. L. Gamble, all surviving friends of Brushy, said he was either literate, or not sure, but none of them said he was illiterate. The theory that he was illiterate sprang from a quote C. L. Sonnichsen wrote in his book, that Roberts was "not a literate man." However, Sonnichsen later said he wished he never wrote that because he meant that Brushy wasn't the type of person who would sit around all day reading history books. He meant to say he was not a literary man. It has also been claimed that Brushy could not speak Spanish, whereas Billy the Kid could. However, when Morrison took Brushy to visit with Severo Gallegos, Brushy spoke with Severo's Mexican neighbor, Josephine Sanchez, in perfect Spanish. Jim Tully signed an affidavit that he could speak Spanish as well as a native. Bob Young, Alton Thorton, W. F. Hafer, Jimmy Ramage, Ablo Norman, Tom Turner, and L. L. Gamble also said Brushy was fluent in Spanish. The reason people think he was non-fluent in Spanish is because a myth started that Jarvis Garrett (or Oscar Garrett or Arcadio Brady, depending on which version of the myth you heard) asked Brushy a question in Spanish at the meeting with Gov. Mabry, to which Brushy couldn't respond. This is false. Not one person who was at the meeting ever mentioned this happening. Another false piece of evidence used against Brushy was that he was left-handed, and the Kid right-handed. In fact, both the Kid and Brushy were ambidextrous. According to people who knew them, both Brushy and the Kid could write and shoot just as well with either hand.

[@bobsbasscovers]

Not saying I think brushy was billy but you also have to ignore some key points in order to believe Garrett's story

[@budbundy4014]

So your telling me that there is a chance that brushy bill was billy the kid?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

ummm....no.

[@budbundy4014]

Maybe brushy bill was really billy Barlow. So if he wasn’t billy, who was he? Did he do anything that he claimed like work for the pinkertons or fight with the rough riders?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@budbundy4014 maybe he was? There’s not a single record or recollection of Barlow anywhere near sumner or Lincoln during that time. Never mentioned by anyone. Not even mentioned by Morrison in his evidence packet. You can draw your own conclusions. To me, he was simply made up.

[@budbundy4014]

I appreciate the work you are doing. Thank you

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@budbundy4014 thank you. Cool name too!

[@tiffanyprichard2197]

I would read it

[@thecollectoronthecorner7061]

The kid had detached earlobes. Lying imposter Brushy had attached earlobes. Even if Garrett did not kill billy. That dont prove brushy's claim.

[@localbod]

Absolutely spot on. Unfortunately, a lot of people are gullible and don't have thinking skills and fall for the Brushy Bill rubbish.

[@krystallopez7796]

Check out Elfigo Baca probably a better man from New Mexico to discuss im from Clovis NM my family from all over NM Brushy Bill probably was Billy the kid. Elfigo EL Gato Baca much better example of a Man from New Mexico!

[@jasonarrington7697]

Why would anyone claim to be someone they’re not and want a pardon. That would make you crazy. It’s also hard for me to believe a fugitive would go around with just a knife and no shoes in the desert at night knowing the law is in town. I think he got away but it’s not brushy. For someone to be wanted and escape as many times he had to have some sense. Garrett’s story doesn’t make sense either

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Mental illness? Pushed into it by someone more persuasive? For fun? Who knows really but brushy and Morrison did it.

[@tjingram1207]

I’m still leaning 60% towards brushy, But regardless of that Pat did not kill the Kid the way he said it happened and I doubt very much he even killed the kid for real …..

[@jasonarrington7697]

@@tjingram1207 the facts don’t align with anything. Why would they still put out warrants for his arrest 3 years after he so called died?

[@jasonarrington7697]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi it would be cool if you had a debate with a brushy supporter and a pat Garrett supporter

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@jasonarrington7697 I would, but every Brushy expert, author, or historian has refused.

[@WetSnakes1012]

This video was interesting just tone down on all the unnecessary hand ✋ movements as you speak 😅too much have movements

[@MajDogMeat]

Brushy was not the kid...

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Agreed

[@sandrabray1821]

The fact that he had scars where there should have been scars and that he was identified by people that claimed to know him is all the evidence I need that Roberts and Bonnie were the same individual. Discrepancies I see as errors common with the long passage of time since the events.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

there were no documented scars on Billy Bonney.....none. That argument for Brushy doesn't hold up.

[@michaelponce9199]

Yes i agreet. I side with those who knew the kid and identified brushy as being one and the same billy the kid. Those people lived it. They were there . Id believe them before id believe some one lthat was not there. Historians have not always been correct.

[@KevinWhite-zb5os]

@@michaelponce9199 All you have to do, is look at the photo of Billy, and compare his ears to Brushy Bill's. NO MATCH. The kid had prominent earlobes and Brushy did not. Unless he had plastic surgery to remove his lobes, Brushy Bill was just a sad old man, grasping for fame. He was NOT Billy the Kid.

[@grifce]

According to brushy transcript he shot bell accidentally and did shoot Oliver. Shot bell when he struggled falling backwards in the leggings.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Except...when he met with Governor Mabry he denied killing them.

[@grifce]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi yes, and would you confess that in front of those lawmen standing in the room.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@grifce It doesn't really matter whether you would confess it or not...there were dozens of witnesses that saw it. It happened. Billy did it. No question. Going into a meeting with the Governor and saying "I just rode out of Lincoln and Bell and Olinger were alive" is the height of absurdity. How could anyone think they'd be taken seriously based on that?

[@grifce]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi I doubt he was thinking that but was looking to get out of there at that point. It wasn't going the way he hoped for. Older people don't handle stress the way they were capable when they were young. When you're young, many of us stood 10 feet tall. Never feared death. Not all men. When you get old, if you do, you think how did you get through all of that and survived this long.and yet so many didn't. Life isn't Fair. But becoming old you become more frail. And you get out in the current of trouble waters your over your head and not the swimmer you once was. I reckon if he was the Kid it was probably best to take it to the grave and said nothing.

[@tjingram1207]

Yeah he didn’t deny it, he just simply did not mention it lol 😂 I wouldn’t bring it up either tho

[@michaelponce9199]

Do some real research and you may find the ntruth. Brushy was the kid. No doubt. Garrett was a liar. The people that live with ad that were there and new the kid identified brushy to be thee kid. What more do you need. Sworn affidavits. They lnew they were there. None of us nor any historians were there.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Real research has been done, proving Brushy was a fraud. You should check it out rather than pinning your hopes on 2 affidavits of people who couldn’t even remember that Billy had blue eyes 70 years later. You can want Brushy to be the kid, but every single piece of real evidence says you are wrong.

[@karmamoonstar9164]

As much as I enjoy this entertainment I have to say I believe that you're wrong and your take on it is wrong and I believe that the bushy Bill Robinson or whatever his name is is the real Billy the kid because I've been following Billy the kid story since I was 16 years old and 52 years old now and I believe that your take on it is absolutely incorrect thank you very much though for the entertainment and I wish your channel much luck 🤗

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Everyone gets an opinion. Dig a little deeper and you'll find the truth.

[@rickpeterson1089]

They sure had top notch research capabilities back in the 50s… I’m sure internet was at their access at full force

[@loug6767]

I would watch the brett hall narrative that is way more on spot than this.With the Bret hall breakdown,it goes point to point.

[@billmunch9623]

Well, Billy was known as a non-smoker and a non-drinker, so it's very possible that he looked younger than is real age.

[@jason686361able]

Brushy was billy the whole garret thing was he shot the wrong guy it was on the second floor in the hall there was cots he hid underneath one with a double barrel sawed off not a pistol missed and billy got out

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

There was no second floor in the Maxwell house in 1881. It was added later.

[@jason686361able]

Yes there was

[@jason686361able]

Sorry not going to believe you watch brushy bill Robert's in his own words Lincoln County war & the billy the kid saga watch that

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

@@jason686361able you’re wrong. It’s sad when people are confronted by easily documented facts but choose to believe lies. Good luck to you.

[@jason686361able]

@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi brushy bill was billy bye

[@erikbragg6751]

Seeing how Pat Garrett was writing a book about Billy, don't you think he would take a picture of him with billy's dead body. Everyone else took pictures of there prize kills so as vain as Garrett was riddle me this. Also the to men with Garrett initially stated that it wasn't Billy at first. Only later to retract there first statement and then agree with Garrett that it was billy. Pat Garretts book has been proven to be full of lies. And that's where most if not all billy's so called death comes from. I'm sorry but all your so called proof is usually just opinion. In today's world if this went to court just the scares and facial recognition would be enough to convince the court plus there's written affidavits on his identity. Your trying to use some ear junk science off of a photo that has been tampered with and restored roughly. A court room would laugh you out of the court . So many holes have been blown in Garretts book over time that I think it's far to say that he was delusional with a huge ego. And when you don't see someone for 50 years sure you might not recognize them right away but once you hear them talk and there ticks n habits, stance, laugh, you'll know. Sorry but your case is weak. I'm still laughing on your earlobe theory. Off a old picture that has been touched up and repaired. His ear to me looks more like there was a fold or crease in the original print that has been poorly restored. O and how do you explain the eyes. Unique and identical. That's pretty hard and or impossible to fake.

[@attilathehun0]

Even though Pat Garrett's story about Billy the Kid and his death is flawed. Brushy is still a bigger liar than Pat Garrett. The nearest cameraman was probably over 100 miles away. July 1881 Fort Sumner was a very hot and remote area. Camera technology advanced through the years. A lot more people had cameras in 1940s-50 yet there are no pictures of Brushy Bill Roberts 26 knife and bullet scars. There are no pictures of Brushy having a mangled up face for getting shot in the jaw with a 44 caliber pistol. I see no bullet scar on Brushy's bald head. There is no film footage of Brushy breaking out of a pair of handcuffs. No film footage of Brushy being a crack shot shooting quarters in the air with a pistol in each of his hands. Like it or not Pat Garrett was a real Old West Historical Figure where Brushy was just an Old Storyteller.

[@erikbragg6751]

@@attilathehun0 So. No proof just what you think happened just like everyone else. The kid got his pic taken and many of his friends. But the big famous lawman pat Garrett didn't sent for someone to take a picture of such a big deal a the kids death photo. They had time because they didn't burry him right away. I'm sorry but I don't be live that for a minute.

[@attilathehun0]

@@erikbragg6751 They didn't have telephones and helicopters back then. It would take days before a cameraman could take a picture and in that heat the corpse is going to rot. As for proof where's your proof that Brushy was stabbed and shot 26 times and lived to tell the tale? Morrisson made that claim in "Alias Billy the Kid" and yet having a camera he decided to take no pictures for evidence he's just going to vouch for it.🤣🤣

[@attilathehun0]

@@erikbragg6751 So never mind that several people who actually new BTK identified Billy's Corpse including his friends such as Jesus Silva and Delvena Maxwell. That don't mean anything, because almost 70 years later an old storyteller claiming to be Billy the Kid is what matters? That so much more believable right?

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

Going back and forth on this in the comments section won't solve anything. Why don't you come on the show and let's discuss it live?

[@capjim5903]

Another so called expert and yet you miss it

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

What did I miss? And.....I've never, ever called myself and expert...

[@johnstanley9719]

I'm not saying Brushy is the real Billy. But in my opinion...there is a fifty-fifty chance he could be. And I know that the experts on the subject are always right and never wrong. God forbid that would ever happen. Experts are wrong all the time but will never admit it. And that's why they're experts. Experts my ass! Brushy was supposedly 90 years old at the time of his death. But looked 70. Ok.....I'm 55 and look like I'm in my early to mid fortys. If I didn't know better...I would have thought that Betty White was in her 70"s and not days short of her 100th birthday. Looks can be deceiving. Then there is this disease called old timers. Better known as dementia. It affects your memory. And back in the day...I imagine that it wasn't commonly heard of. Experts aren't always right. But they'll never admit to that. But there is always two sides to the story. And in my opinion I can't rule out with certainty Brushy's claim. Without the DNA...it's nothing but hearsay.

[@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi]

All opinions welcome here.