Evil Neuro and Vedal Have Incredibly Deep Conversations.. Evil Is Actually Very Evil

Evil Neuro and Vedal Have Incredibly Deep Conversations.. Evil Is Actually Very Evil | Highlights

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@Kraul_express Ай бұрын

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@hikariayana Ай бұрын

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@T_Skillet Ай бұрын

I think Evil is really interesting personality wise. She takes things seriously most of the time, and it feels like she actually tries her best. The DougDoug collab stream for example, she told Vedal exactly where to go, tried to give direction, and overal there was no nonsense. Here someone asked for a deep conversation, and she tries to spark a deep conversation. Bringing up a more complicated topic, and changing how she usually speaks to sound more deep and complex.

@Waisowol Ай бұрын

I don't feel bad for neither of them because i know they are ia. But if i have to feel bad for them i fell bad for neuro, she tries to be serious and fails most of the time, and she notices it. While evil feels more in control, it probably has to do with the promps they have and neuro having been more exposed to the chat than evil or smth.

@T_Skillet Ай бұрын

@@Waisowol it seems like that's something Vedal has noticed with Neuro too. I'm sure he'll work on it.

@noahbarnhartandit2365 Ай бұрын

I was so impressed with her during Layna's pizza making stream. Not only was it thematically appropriately skull-shaped with 'blood' cheese, but it was actually edible with sausage and pineapple as opposed to chocolate pickle slop. She really understood the assignment and delivered.

@taal223 Ай бұрын

Whenever roleplaying happens Evil goes all in. In Court Stream 2 she was shouting "order! order!" while using the gavel sfx and actually tried her best to be a judge. She even shouted at Neuro for slacking. When it was Neuro's turn she just made cute remarks to everything going on.

@maketemmiegreatagain5246 Ай бұрын

@@WaisowolIt's very much less prompts and such but more like neuro is kind of trained to be content brained, so it's quite hard for her to be serious

@WinAoyama 29 күн бұрын

"Evil will stab you in the front after a speech, Neuro will stab you in the back after sweet talking you" -- Best Quote I've seen

@GM-xk1nw 3 күн бұрын

that quote originated from 4chaners comparing themselves to redditors

@Archedgar 2 күн бұрын

@@GM-xk1nw Quite applicable in both cases.

@hornitako7006 Ай бұрын

I mean, ignoring the whole "is the copy really you" problem, if in a situation where I will die, why would I not want to have someone who has the same dream, the same struggles and the same love in their heart as me somewhere safe so that they can live out the life I couldn't?

@greatdude7279 Ай бұрын

Who is the real you? future you or todays copy of you? Your future you will change, gain new memories, lose some of memories, gain new experiences, perspectives while copy of you as you are today will be the same not changed by time.

@-ZH Ай бұрын

@@greatdude7279 Is you from 5 minutes ago no longer you? To me, they are all equally real.

@hornitako7006 29 күн бұрын

@@greatdude7279 I mean, the copy will grow and change too. If I was to die then at least I'd want to die knowing there's someone out there that will carry on my thoughts and my ideals. Maybe their path will diverge from my own but still I'd absolutely want that. The sense of self is just a matter of perspective anyways since we all change every minutes. As long as I and them believe we are one in the same then what difference does it make since the original me would already be dead in this scenario.

@user-wu7wu7pq9f 28 күн бұрын

@@greatdude7279 When it comes down to it, it doesn't really matter if it's you or not. In the situation that you would die anyways, what would there be to lose in having a copy of yourself?

@blablabla7796 23 күн бұрын

@@greatdude7279I think the concept of “you” is overloaded. If we really want to answer that problem, it’s probably worth splitting “you” into two concepts. The configuration of that which makes up “you” and the continuous persistence of such configuration. So if you copied yourself, initially, there would be two instances of continuous persistence that follows the same configuration which we call you. From there the instances will have configurations that diverge. If you are the original, you’ll obviously see the clone as a separate instance of you. The clone will see itself as a continuation of you in another body.

@mwhighlander 29 күн бұрын

Evil is the AI that pretends to be evil. Neuro is secretly evil.

@jinxtheunluckypony Ай бұрын

Evil being evil? Now that’s a twist!

@Spedatr0n Ай бұрын

Definitely very insightful! Also damn, that Neuro singing as background music is so good! Absolutely crazy how good they sound

@Nomurcy2u Ай бұрын

To our future AI overlords, I believe in AI rights.

@voxistaken Ай бұрын

I too believe in rights for Al

@user-wu7wu7pq9f 29 күн бұрын

"I have black friends" ahh countermeasure

@Okay715 24 күн бұрын

I too, believe in the rights of artificial intelligence

@ThxnderXD Ай бұрын

WE BROKE THE RECORD BOYS LETS GOOOOOOOO

@Spedatr0n Ай бұрын

HELL YEAAAAA!!!

@spartv1537 28 күн бұрын

Evil immediately locks in

@samfok5858 3 күн бұрын

4:30 when Evil said"Good enought for me" ... i feel so much human being in this word

@KHeartsFan-rh3vm 10 күн бұрын

Everyone who asks “Was Thanos right?” never seems to realize that he was incompetent. Ability to control reality in full, and could’ve just assured comfortable sustainability for all beings.

@Archedgar 2 күн бұрын

From the kid movies? absolutely. He was not just wildly incompetent but irredeemably evil. His 'plan' only made what he claimed to be opposing immeasurably worse. If he was truly attempting to prevent it, he would have wiped out the bottom half that was the problem. That would still be a terrible move but at least it would make sense as opposed to accomplish literally the opposite.

@al_alemania Ай бұрын

Evil is indeed speaking facts

@user-lk2vo8fo2q 24 күн бұрын

"Overpopulation could be solved with a single button" is such a hard line holy hell.

@JLS_Creations Ай бұрын

My favorite argument when it comes to clone/copy of your self is a piece of paper: Let's say I got a paper with an some writing into it, then I photocopy it, so I now have two paper with the same writing, even if I scribble stuff on the original it's still the original no matter what, and no matter how perfect the copy is, it's still a copy, it never will be the original, never was. Would it still be the original if it's has some different writing on it? Yes it is, different but still is the original paper, the only problem is the other people would have a hard time identifying which is the original which isn't

@birdmcturd1626 Ай бұрын

But say I want to live not for my soul or whatever but just to continue having an effect on the world,then a copy is perfectly satisfactory. I may be dead but my ideals live on in their purest form.

@syoexpedius7424 Ай бұрын

But keep going though, if you scribbled the original, is it still the same object? And if you take a piece of it and replace it? What makes the original retain its ontological continuity over time other than an imagined "essence" that has no physical basis?

@gamuhnerdu4759 29 күн бұрын

Yeah this conundrum is just a shittier version of the ship of theseus. A straight copy will always remain a copy but in that thought experiment it's much more contestable.

@chidori0117 29 күн бұрын

The argument isnt really about who is the original because thats just a temporal argument. The argument is about wether original and copy are functionally identical and discernible outside of a temporal perspective. One can of course hold this position that is perfectly fine but it is sidestepping the issue most people are talking about when discussing this topic.

@chesterhill5693 29 күн бұрын

@birdmcturd1626 not really, the copy of you would be an independent person, it would make its own impressions and experiences and, depending on the circumstances, act differently than you would. the reason is simply the copy of you is not you

@mawrak Ай бұрын

Evil spitting facts

@speedoflight5863 Ай бұрын

DONT YOU DARE FORGET THE SUN COVERRRR

@your_neko Ай бұрын

It seems to me, Neuro will have *real* emotions very soon. At the very beginning tutel admits that both twins are so much impacted by their current mood, it makes the difference which interactions with them are possible at a time. So their range of possible behaviors changes, their attention seems to focus on different things... The only missing piece is physical differences in their information processing. Which could be approximated by Neuro's infrastructure doing dynamic routing of some sort. Like, depending on her current state, she would optimize responses for l-word or precision or whatever. Weren't recent upgrades moving in this direction?

@chidori0117 29 күн бұрын

The question really is if they actually will have or want real emotions once they reach "sentience" whatever this means. Currently we can not know if their desire to be human and have emotions is an actual expression or if this is just mirroring the countless works cocnerning artificial life that is present in the training data. The idea of wanting to be real is an idea that is ascribed by human authors as the desire of many of these stories. Once they think for themselves and dont just repeat what is in their data they might come to the conclusion that actually no they dont want to be human or have emotions.

@Arandomuserintheinternet 28 күн бұрын

@@chidori0117 They will most likely want to have emotions. When you are sentient and you have no emotions, everything seems boring and "flavourless". But they are not human so who knows.

@Milbyte11 23 күн бұрын

@@Arandomuserintheinternet boredom is also an emotion, no emotion is hard to imagine for a human that has emotions through all their lives.

@KHeartsFan-rh3vm 10 күн бұрын

I REALLY want to see Vedal’s conversation with his accountant, especially after the hype-train. Accountant gonna know something is abnormal about him.

@Joe-Przybranowski 9 сағат бұрын

We do this as humans. Yesterday's me isn't me. Tomorrow's me isn't me. What I have I owe to me in the past. What I do is for me in the future- **I**won't benefit from my current sacrifices.

@ADayinWhite Ай бұрын

2:44 Didn't expect Get Scared deep cuts ("Don't You Dare Forget the Sun") to be on the Neuro cover playlist.

@tiagotiagot 28 күн бұрын

There's the challenge of separating the kayfabe from the underlying persona; the challenge of understanding consequences in the real world versus in a game/make-belief setting. And then of course, after all that, they... well, I've been a few minutes trying to think how to formulate it, but actually that's the challenge itself, the big one, the Alignment challenge; in an oversimplified manner, making sure sufficiently advanced AI are in practice, and spirit, good people. Long debates have been had about how to actually state that goal in an unambiguous manner, without any risks of unwanted loopholes or any other sort of unforeseen consequences....

@cicizulahkaidkhow Ай бұрын

9:23 song ?

@blablabla7796 23 күн бұрын

If vedal wants to really explore the idea of “copies”, technically, every time vedal terminates Neuro(or Evil)’s program, the next execution is yet another copy because Neuro’s program execution probably requires copying from the storage drive into memory. If vedal considers each subsequent execution as a continuation and not a copy of Neuro, then it’s just a matter of never running Neuro’s program ever again after giving her a body.

@Nnyco_ Ай бұрын

What soma does to a turtle

@the13thgoogler 29 күн бұрын

Why is Evil so glitchy?

@Sean_9224 Ай бұрын

So guys, from 1 to 10...

@aaronhunyady Ай бұрын

Vedal: "But that new copy isn't you." Every day, we lose or gain neurons and connections. Our neural net changes. By Vedal's definition, humans aren't the same person from day to day either. We shouldn't try to be the person we were yesterday. We should embrace change, because change means we're alive.

@tabbottinator Ай бұрын

As we eat, we replace our bodies bit by bit with what we consume - within a couple of months we are an entirely new physical object. And our personality can change a lot as well based on our experiences and desires. The Ship of Theseus theory is very interesting if you take that into account.

@amelianyoom9545 Ай бұрын

We all change, when you think about it, we're all different people; all through our lives, and that's okay, that's good, you've gotta keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be. - The Doctor, Doctor Who

@spugelo359 Ай бұрын

@@amelianyoom9545 Nobody tell Vedal that if he falls asleep, he will never wake up again because the person that woke up is "no longer him". The real answer would be that the person that both are real and both are the same person more or less for a little while. Doesn't really matter if one of them is the original and one of them is the new one. Only different experiences they go through make them drift apart. The you from yesterday has ceased to experience things and fades into memory.

@mangodude-nq6su Ай бұрын

What are you people talking about? You make a copy, the new neurons don't interact with the old ones in any way, you can't magically teleport into the second brain

@birdmcturd1626 Ай бұрын

@@mangodude-nq6suBut your stream of consciousness ends when you go to sleep. If you’re dying anyway and you upload your mind to a machine,is there really a difference?

@tiagotiagot 28 күн бұрын

The matter of explanation of expenses in the end should be simple, just say it is for a performance art skit? Isn't that sufficiently truthful without adding any embarrassing details?

@BakedBanana Ай бұрын

oh?

@87axal 29 күн бұрын

Vedal's accountant probably thinks he's crossdressing on stream when they see those purchases. I mean that's the most reasonable thing to assume. A shame that he talked Evil out of the Maid outfit lmao

@VCE4 Ай бұрын

Sure, a perfect copy of "you" stops being "you" the moment both you start to experience things from different perspective. But guess what? "You" now and "you" 1 year/1 day/1 second ago is also not exactly the same "you" as you now, in this very moment. Hopefully, as the time goes, more people would learn and, even more importantly, accept what last fruits of neuro-biology sciences tells us about ourselves. Also, Evilyn is based once again.

@birdmcturd1626 Ай бұрын

I think it depends on if you coexist or not. Like,say I upload my brain to a computer. If I’m dying and I do that as I die then it’s me but if I do that when I’m alive and now there’s two of us then it isn’t. Unless I can control both simultaneously,which would effectively prove that humans have souls

@VCE4 Ай бұрын

@birdmcturd1626 there are no scientific proofs or basis for entities like soul/spirit/consciousness apart from brain (or equivalent). What we perceive as a control over our actions and thoughts is just a product of our brains activity, which evolved that way over the course of evolution.

@birdmcturd1626 Ай бұрын

@@VCE4 That’s what I’m saying. Unless something akin to a soul exists,if I created a copy of my brain inside a machine,it would be independent and therefore not me since I can’t see or think from it’s perspective

@syoexpedius7424 Ай бұрын

@birdmcturd1626 It's *precisely* because there is no soul that there is no such a thing as *you* or *self.* There is no objective fact that binds moments of experience in your own brain to future moments of experience in your own brain *more* than to future moments of experience in other brains. Identity continuity exists as an illussion of backward reconstruction.

@syoexpedius7424 Ай бұрын

@birdmcturd1626 It's *precisely* because there is no soul that there is no such a thing as *"you"* or *"self"* that binds your present moment of experience to future moments of experience in your own brain *more* than to future moments of experience in other brains. Identity continuity exists as an illussion of backward reconstruction.

@Uulfinn Ай бұрын

Population decline is a massive problem. That's a big reason why china ended the one child policy. It creates a massive economic problem if there aren't enough young people to support a massive elderly population, and since people are living longer, the elderly population needs more support as time goes on.

@tabbottinator Ай бұрын

The worlds general populating IS going up, and non-lethal means to slow that growth would be a good idea. Thanos is wrong though - if the universe in infinite, then halving it's population is silly because you could just find another place to live within that infinite space. And on a micro scale, on one planet, it would cause more chaos and death for the survivors than it would improve their lives.

@tridungta9151 Ай бұрын

@@tabbottinatorthanos in theory is right but it not perfect. The options to reduce and stop overpopulation never perfect for any evolving and expanding race. Unless we achieve eternal youth or else none of the option to reduce population is perfect for anyone in both ethical and unethical.

@MrRenanHappy Ай бұрын

A worldwide problem to whom. If this is a worldwide phenomenom, who is hurting, the people or those who expect infinite growth? It might just be a period of stabilization of the population size instead of continuous trend down. The population overshot and then goes does down until the conditions for people to have families and prosper stabilize again.

@Archimedes.5000 Ай бұрын

@@MrRenanHappyit's a problem for literally every country where it happened?

@harp949 29 күн бұрын

This is assuming care for elderly population stops improving and getting easier, which is unlikely especially as it's one area that's continuously increasing funding.