EVs with Semi Solid state batteries are about to arrive...

[@paulkearsley9509]

New day, hence a new battery. Yet again, we will never see the all new wounder battrey

[@josephberrie9550]

wonder battery

[@mikemalone9678]

Don't CATL already produce 4C and 6C batteries, and batteries with1000km range? These were being 'talked about' a couple of years ago. And now they're here. The Chinese do seems to know how to get things done.

[@lucamaggiolini5062]

@@mikemalone9678 Yes, China is so famous for superior quality of their product (food, equipment, non-toxic fabric). I wouldn't touch ANYTHING that has any type of connection with electricity that was produced in China, let alone the cheap stuff. They fake everything, take shorcut everywhere because they do not care for the consequences.

[@alburaq3290]

The best EVs right now already have batteries you'd consider "wonder" 5 years ago.

[@mikeshafer]

I think once you hit 1000km of range it's time to dial it back to reduce battery. Personally I would be happy with a 500mi range EV that weighs less and charges in 10 minutes. Even 400mi of real-world range is fine by me, but I wouldn't say no to 500mi. We'll get there someday.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Probably sooner than we think, the Chinese already have their 'gold' battery that's at 1000k of range, about 600 miles so probably over 500 miles of real world range. I genuinely believe at that point its game over for the old legacy cars

[@SilverPenguin-kc5qp]

I had a 1964 MG Midget and would lean toward one the those if priced right. Luddites here in the US will soon have to admit they are wrong. Well, they won't actually admit it, will say they were never against EVs after buying one, since that is what they do here with all new technology.

[@davidanderson7138]

@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp I can’t remember cars being forced on people and to stop buying horses!, “new technology” only works if it is better!

[@ConstanceCox]

So you know that basing on the idea that you had a car from a company 5 eons ago has zero to do with what the company is today, right? Stupid statement.

[@davidanderson7138]

@ not really, you need to look at the cost of construction and resources used

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

@@ConstanceCox You misunderstood what he said. He said that he would rather have a 1964 MG than the new electric MG.

[@paulmcgraw9284]

Hi Sam..Happy holidays to you and yours! Although I’m not in the market for a car right now, your battery news will definitely put an EV on my shopping list when I’m ready to trade in my set of wheels! Again, happy holidays! 😊🎄

[@first7589]

Ok, so they're heading in the right direction. Range has to go up a little bit, while prices have to fall quite a lot. When 30.000 $/€ cars have an effective range of 800 km and can recharge in 10 minutes, you know its definitely game over for the ICE cars. Lets see if that happens in the next 2-3 years...

[@TerbrugZondolop]

How is it over for ICE exactly? - After 3 years the EV is basically worthless. - 10 min charge is not a 1min fill up. - EV spontaneously combust - Good luck in a crash in an EV - ICE can be 40 years old they work. EV lifespan is 3 years yet they are 30.000k minimum for a tiny car with rubbish range. More EVangelism. EV have a place, they are not a replacement.

[@johnslater7718]

You can buy a NIO with battery swap, the car won't loose much value​@@TerbrugZondolop

[@Tommyownzz]

​@TerbrugZondolop hehe you are brainwashed. My leaf is 10 years old and it works fine. ICEs are also more likely to catch fire.

[@yulusleonard985]

@@TerbrugZondolop Lol where did you get 3 years? Scott Kimmels? Where I live theres BYD taxi from 2016 who still have juice in its battery and have not yet spontaneously combust while I personally saw 3 car burn in just 5 years. Also You can charge everywhere and as individual you can also produce your own electricity compared to gasoline that require government intervention. EV from 100 years ago still works. And theres Tesla dashcam channel (Wham Bam tesla Cam) that record tesla crash and the driver are fine.

[@TerbrugZondolop]

@ keep dreaming

[@EVCurveFuturist]

All good points Sam. Good night :)

[@DGlass-yg8xk]

This is about the third game changer battery this week.

[@TerbrugZondolop]

@@DGlass-yg8xk he is as annoying as his permed hairstyle

[@MrChiangching]

He forgot to put game changer and insane in the title again. 😂

[@CiaranMcHale]

@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp I fail to see how somebody making fun of Sam's overuse of phrases such as "game changer" qualifies that person as a Luddite who hates EVs.

[@CiaranMcHale]

@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp The "somebody" in my comment was not me, but rather @DGlass-yg8xk, that is, the person to whom you were replying. As such, I was not taking your original comment as being aimed at me personally, and hence I wasn't "taking it too personal". And I don't understand how you think my comment (`I fail to see how somebody making fun of Sam's overuse of phrases such as "game changer" qualifies that person as a Luddite who hates EVs') has a "tone of negativity".

[@christopherj2231]

Settle down Glassy.

[@alexishart1989]

I've watched this channel for years, waiting for this day when you'd finally reveal to us a battery breakthrough that woud change everything.

[@PabloMontoya-qk8lf]

😂😂😂

[@TerbrugZondolop]

He talks utter shit from day one.

[@fryske.tynster]

you mean watched this sponsored channel//

[@robertreid9079]

@@PabloMontoya-qk8lf why the emojis?

[@sootoongkok]

Breakthroughs generally come in small steps. Comparing batteries of 5 years past, we do have breakthrough albeit small steps like safety, energy density.

[@NishitChokhawala]

Need Solid State batteries for phones

[@artholyoke]

I remember an article a few years ago in Car and Driver where they said they have been hearing this for the past 10 years. They said it is always around the corner

[@mabehall7667]

Since MG is not exactly known for a high quality ICE vehicle. What makes anyone believe their EV will be any better.

[@alburaq3290]

Replace MG with Chinese car companies. They were never known for high quality ICE vehicles but their EVs are the best. In fact legacy auto makers known for high quality ICE vehicles have the worst EVs and are unable to compete against Chinese EVs and Tesla.

[@markgriffiths409]

Gday mate, u do remind me of Sassy the Sasquatch from “The Big Lez Show” on YT. Awesome job mate 😎👌

[@armstrongchan1417]

these kind of battery technologies would be used in wider spectrum once become mature, such as aviation industry, agricultural industry and manufacturing industry, it simply will reshape the whole human society and move into more advanced level

[@hadtobe4502]

I thought the semi-solid state battery was going into the IM LS EV.

[@HowToTurkiye]

The ones with old battery technology will be hard to be resold

[@Frankenspank67]

Right, until the owner updates to a new battery so they can sell it

[@VonDutchie-gv3er]

Here in Thailand mg will come with MG IM6, and I believe that's the model with this battery

[@unblessedcoffee1457]

When it goes for 500 miles and takes 20 minutes to charge, I'll buy one. But I have some doubt that will happen in my lifetime. This whole chat reminds me of people banging on about graphene, and how it will change the world. It never does, it's always a few years away.

[@danhough7574]

I thought EV range had to be much higher than 200 miles, but it turns out that I don’t feel so drained at the end of a 500 mile drive in an EV compared to a fossil car. I’ve put it down to the 20min leg stretch every 2hrs.

[@unblessedcoffee1457]

@danhough7574 it's not so much that people want to drive 500 miles in one sitting. But there isn't always a convenient period of 5 hours to recharge within each 100 mile trip. It has no flexibility.

[@larryc1616]

Easily in 2 years

[@danhough7574]

I find EV’s are more flexible because I can fill up at home. Ok, so not so flexible if you don’t have home charging, but a lot could do home charging and they’re missing out on cheaper travel. Induction charging is coming which will means this holy grail battery is not needed for most.

[@alburaq3290]

EVs have already taken over in China. You seem to think EVs are some futuristic alien technology when they exist lmao 😂

[@ronin4580]

Amazing the number of posters that say they don't like getting poked in the eye with a stick, then proceed to poke themselves in the eye with a stick (apparently) repeatedly.

[@zippy_uk1046]

I would have thought solid state batteries would be more swappable - smaller, more robust etc.

[@MrkBO8]

no. swapping components will give insurers nightmares bc there is no way to ensure the safety of switched batteries. There will also be proprietry technology involved to stop non original parts being used. Apple on wheels. Digital Rights Management will ring fence products and consumers.

[@calc1657]

Sodium ion battery pack prices will be less than $20 per kmh. within 4 years. With those prices, EVs in the US will cost less than $13k. Solid state-based battery packs can then serve the higher end of the market.

[@chasf3433]

Batteries with 300whkg or higher energy density will transform small EVs.the new Renault 5 for instance could get well over 300 mile range and faster charging from the same physical size battery pack. Whilst full solid state could give small EVs 400mile plus or big battery size and weight savings. Imagine 300mile plus range and super fast charging in the new Hyundai Inster.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

00:43 MG launchnig an EV this year ??? They have about 10 days to do that.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Morning bro

[@Alex-l6d1f]

I’m the first to like this video Yay Hi Sam It’s Alex. The big guy Met you at the EV show Keep up the good work man

[@igors6593]

As far as I know, at least three battery manufacturers have announced plans to start production of semi-solid batteries in 2025. A 1000 km range plus a solar roof is good enough to charge the car once a month or even less frequently.

[@lucamaggiolini5062]

You were not good in maths at school, right? There no way you can charge a 70 kWh battery car with a solar roof in a decent amount of time (unless you live in a castle and have a square kilometer of solar panels.... - come on, do your homework before writing.)

[@lucamaggiolini5062]

Ah, and the sun shines, of course, and it's not too hot, or too cold....

[@mattirae4191]

Really need 1000km range? Most of would be happy of 350km or even 250km.

[@igors6593]

@@lucamaggiolini5062 Ok. Let's do the math. If you have a battery with a 1000 km range and drive about 30 km per day (on average for workdays and weekends), you would need to fully charge it roughly once a month, right? Current technology already allows for solar surfaces capable of covering a daily range of 20-25 km. In this case, you would only need to recharge your car every 3 to 6 months. By the way, that's 3rd-grade math.

[@ronaldvantine4488]

The question is will the electrical grid hold up with all the new vehicles on the road?

[@jeffl4810]

Yes, it will handle the needs of EV's There will be upgrades needed, as is always the case with the grid. But new technologies, such as utility scale batteries will help immensely with the transition, as peak loads (i.e., everyone trying to charge at once) will be greatly reduced. Note that the average passenger EV uses only about 6kWh per day. That's only about half of what the average domestic hot water tank needs per day... Note that removing the extraction, transport, refining, distribution, and dispensing of fossil fuels will *actually* save more electricity, by a significant margin, than if every vehicle was an EV, including land, aviation, and water. Fossil fuels require that much electricity

[@fergyspoolshots]

Forget the million mile battery warranty bump the time up to 15-20yrs and 300K miles.

[@josephberrie9550]

yes mate they have explosive acceleration...upwards

[@dylanthomas12321]

Love your continuing coverage of battery technology. Gradually people will learn about energy density per kilowatt hour, how to translate that to range, solid state and charging speeds. It's a huge learning curve. But in five years someone will come up with an easy-to-undertand metric or term that captures all these variables so average consumers will be able to comparison shop. That would change things in America, for sure. People here are so busy they can't take any more on board. So they're vulnerable to the ant-EV propoganda. Just cover it once a week or so. Slowly people get educated.

[@sullivanrachael]

Sam, why don’t you give some numbers? You quote percentages, but a percentage of what? The MG you say might get 30% more range; so what is that? Doesn’t it have some drawbacks? Energy lost during charging? Internal resistance of the cells? The expected life? Solid state batteries have been promised for a long time. I won’t hold my breaths.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

I would rather be sitting on a smaller battery with a more efficient EV and same range.

[@mikeshafer]

personally I want a smaller battery with greater range!

[@csguak]

Solid state batteries you 500 miles per charge and give you a maximum of 1000 recharges. That's 500,000 miles 😊

[@jamespaul2587]

Nope, owners don't charge from 0% to 100% as their vehicle would be constantly bricked at the side of the road. Charging to 100% on a road trip also takes too long, and it leads to greater battery degradation over time.

[@sootoongkok]

New type of batteries with higher energy density improves range !? I don’t see how this could be. Unless the battery capacity in the car in terms of KwH increases. With the same battery capacity in KWh, irrespective of the type of battery, the range would be the about same. Higher energy battery car may improve the range slightly bcos of lighter weight.

[@nicop2423]

This battery wil not fit in old EV’s! That’s the hole bottleneck with EV’s.

[@SurajKc21]

Again new revolutionary battery which will be never realised

[@RussellFineArt]

The minute I read about the solid state battery pioneer, Satki3, and their solid-state batts, nearly 20-years ago, I knew they were the future of all transportation, and they will.

[@Antonio-lt1sp]

I would like to see your comments of Vinfast's whistleblower. It's a shame few people are talking about it. That is a serious risk to consumers.

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

I think this is it guys.... You don't know if I'm being sarcastic. Cuz honestly neither do i

[@mrfarenheit9159]

Does Sam only have one shirt?

[@chesshooligan1282]

I buy EV how much

[@John-p7i5g]

All a bit dubious. This sounds more like the sort of announcement a rival of MG would say, to stop people buying MG cars.

[@MASMIWA]

It never ceases to amaze at China speed in whatever sector the apply themselves. No wonder the EV market is dominated by China, no one else can keep up and compete. This is like 5G in the US. China is already moving on to 6G and the US is still digesting 5G. It appears the EV market is the same. I doubt any western company can compete. The EU tariffs are supposed to delay the eventual and give time to catch up. It's new battery giant., Northvolt, that was poised to compete with China has gone belly up. Now it is a matter of time as the EU gets flooded with Chinese hybrids and as soon as Chinese EV factories gain traction with new factories in the EU, legacy automakers will have a difficult time competing.

[@joseabreu5802]

1000 klms de autonomia precisa se.....precos carros mais baixos... muitos carregadores....precos de carregamento a 50 cts/ kwh/hora maximo (europa) carregamento em 10 minutos......

[@simonpaine2347]

I COULD go to the moon in 2025

[@glennlambert5112]

Another promise of game changing batteries. 😂 What most want is not mega range but fast charging. Most people need to stop on a long journey. If you just had a range of 150 miles but could recharge in ten minutes or less that would be fine. It would make the cars much lighter and cheaper.

[@hanswitvliet8188]

“Coming soon in this theatre”… For over a decade we’ve been hearing about that break through, market disrupting solid state batteries. But upto today, they were expensive as hell, unreliable lab prototypes. You may look down upon hydrogen cars, but those became reality…

[@mikeshafer]

not in California they didn't... EVs clearly won.

[@hanswitvliet8188]

@ it was about solid-state-batteries. NOT about BEVs with lithium-ion, or LFP. There are no (consumer) vehicles with Solid-state-batteries yet.

[@alburaq3290]

Hydrogen cars are a pipe dream buddy. They'll fizzle out soon. EVs are here to stay.

[@peterwestphal925]

MG will launch the car this year?? really??

[@jimgraham6722]

Semi solid state? Its either solid or it isn't. Solid state batteries wont last well, vulnerable to cracking and fatigue.

[@scriptercoba]

And if it comes it will make all existing EV cars virtually worthless. That seems to be a good reason to buy an EV at the present time.

[@carlfrancis8565]

The FFF ( fossil fuel folks) won't like this at all. Tutt-tutt

[@bj6515]

Reduced weight (combined with fast charging) is needed just to protect tyres and road surfaces.

[@duanehorton4680]

Semi-Solid should be hyphenated.

[@chaz4609]

Jai Hind. On top of range, we Indians are innovating to drive down EV and battery costs like our Curvv and Feradium

[@avdp9095]

Semi solid is not solid state, not by far.

[@sevmassyn5660]

There surely should've better solar charging in cars especially I sunny countries while parked....??? And the actual revelitions of the wheels with a type of gyro swinging back and forth.....then make the cars smaller and lighter....put in a small diesel engine that car charge batteries while not moving and still assist car with drive chain....hove about putting magnets in the road surface then cars charge as it drive over....also a small hydrogen charger working of 12v to charge batteries

[@danielking2944]

That’s the kind of dream that convinces me to get out of bed and turn the coffee on! 😂 You could take the car to school to demonstrate how technology has advanced from Stone Age all the way to 2005 Toyota hybrids.

[@jeffl4810]

You might want to take a thermodynamics course or two. Specifically the first law of thermodynamics, which applies to your hypothetical situations

[@paulkearsley9509]

Have you heard about the new battery that will be 1kwh per gram 😅. One charges on day one of purchase and will never need charging again 😅😅😅

[@Hookeslaw]

Hilarious bro 😒

[@deanothedinosaur9069]

That means the current batch of EV'S will he worthless . Best to save your money and wait 10 years until this comes true

[@larzlarz1140]

EV’s will never be lighter than gas powered cars. Lol. Electrical bonds don’t store a much energy as covalent bonds. It’s basic physics. 1 kg of gasoline holds 11,233 watt hours of energy. Even with the measly 30% thermodynamic efficiency of heat engines, 1 kg of gasoline will deliver a net of 3,370 watt hours of energy to the wheels. Even at 1,000 watt hours per kg of energy density in a solid state battery, it will still weigh 3.3X as much as the equivalent amount of gasoline. Sam needs to go back and take some basic chemistry and physics classes to understand what he’s talking about. And I’m not just shit talking EV’s. I drive a Tesla.

[@danielking2944]

That moves the comparison to the weight and complexity of an electric motor to that of a motor and transmission in a gas engine car.

[@sargfowler9603]

Oh no, EV enthusiasts are going to hate this one. They think the current 200 mile range is perfectly adequate!

[@fan2hd277]

Oh haters like you will always find something to criticize. EV is the superior technology and it will become cheaper thanks to China….

[@freeheeler09]

I’d be ok with a sub $20,000 commuter with less than a 200 mile range. Even on most vacations we don’t drive more than 400 miles. And as charging gets quicker and EVs more affordable, a 200 mile range will be ok with me. Price and reliability are the important factors for me.

[@vincentcausey8498]

All this just goes to prove, that if true, the technology is nowhere near mature, since anything purchased today will be obsolete in 2 years time. Hence, it's time to call a halt on compulsory EV quotas since, in a few years, anything bought today will have almost no resale value, and buyers will be queueing up to buy the new models of their own free will. Let the market decide!

[@scoria1755]

Semi-solid is the same as gel electrolytes, which have existed since the early 1930s. Just more marketing dishonesty.

[@moreno101791]

You said CATL would come out with high density battery in 2025 this year! Now it's next year? Lies lies and more lies for this guy

[@SilverPenguin-kc5qp]

It is still 2024 and 2025 will last a whole year.

[@loualiberti4781]

How much money does China send this guy ?

[@joejimmy8088]

مفروض شركات البطاريات تركز على زيادة سرعة شحن البطاريات أولا ثم تهتم على المدى ثانياً لأن سرعة الشحن هذا ما يهتم به كل الأشخاص الذين يقودون السيارات التي تعمل بالوقود الاحفوري يكرهون السيارات الكهربائية لأنها تشحن بشكل بطيء في محطات الشحن السريع هكذا هو تفكيرهم 🤷🏻

[@fryske.tynster]

solid state if far more expensive but for al the ones who bought a sponsored xpeng .. hahahahahahah enjoy your car who cant handle vehici.. to grid..

[@leaulife569]

Shame the grid won`t be able to supply them.

[@jeffl4810]

Yes, it will handle the needs of EV's There will be upgrades needed, as is always the case with the grid. But new technologies, such as utility scale batteries will help immensely with the transition, as peak loads (i.e., everyone trying to charge at once) will be greatly reduced. Note that the average passenger EV uses only about 6kWh per day. That's only about half of what the average domestic hot water tank needs per day... Note that removing the extraction, transport, refining, distribution, and dispensing of fossil fuels will *actually* save more electricity, by a significant margin, than if every vehicle was an EV, including land, aviation, and water. Fossil fuels require that much electricity

[@Ben-r9b2j]

I sense a lot of naysaying here. Can't understand your fear of change. Passengrr ICE cars are dirty, expensive & old technology. You would only need one if you live in a remote area. Unfortunately there are many people in Australia who won't accept change, even change for the better.

[@shredder0911]

The China Observer says Geely/Baidu is shutting down. What say you?

[@jxmai7687]

China Observer😂

[@LeonieBachmann-h7x]

We'll see this in 2045 (if we're lucky).

[@jpdj2715]

Problems with EV in the old world. While updated continuously, while having privatized too, we now face issues. The infrastructure gets overloaded by people moving away from gas to electricity as energy. People move over to electric cooking, and a cooking range can easily run up to 10 kW. They replace gas furnaces (central heating boilers) by heat pumps. And replace ICE cars by EV that need to be recharged. The local grids got laid out with 3 phases on the basis of a concurrency assumption and we now see this assumption frequently falsified. While individual homes may not exceed their current draw, an entire group of homes being fed from one community transformer station actually can overdraw. Then people add solar panels that feed into the local grid but may overpower the local grid again, defeating the concurrency assumptions. Feed into the grid, when they do not consume the kWh themselves. Also, people with EV did not have to pay road tax, but the EV are heavier than ICE cars and basically per kg of car weight cause the same wear as ICE cars. In the meantime, natural gas has become more expensive and has less reliable availability with the Russian war-criminals attacking Ukraine and threatening Europe's east side. At the same time, there's indication that the efficiency of solar panels could go up from around 30% to just over 50%. At the same time we read news about new battery technology almost every day. How all this works out? A kWh of energy in a liter of gasoline (AKA petrol) - 10 in a liter - costs about 22 cents. With all taxes included. We already have had moments that a kWh from the grid was over 100 cents in a private home with a flexible rate contract where you pay what the market demands at the moment demand/supply happen. When recharging an EV in an energy-station along the highway (AKA motorway), you may easily pay 70 cents per kWh for being able to do that very fast. Too many households moving to electricity too fast overloads the local grid - never happened before in the past 50 years. The no-road-tax is terminated by the government and EV have to pay serious amounts of that tax. They don't produce CO2 but fine dust and other things are the same and making and transporting electricity generates waste as well. Electricity from wind farms most or all goes into data centers. This means that households need to rely on foreign kW - potentially from nuclear plants in France. The government also has terminated the national policy where households get credited for their kWh delivered back to the grid for the same cents/kWh as they pay when using them from the grid. As it stands, everything solar or EV is too expensive. As long as batteries are not more affordable. I made the calculation some time back for a battery pack being run between 20% and 90% of its usable capacity on the basis of how many times it can be recharged. That's not worst case because 20-90, so there may be more cycles. But if we take the guaranteed cycles times the 90-20 capacity and see what the kWh cost then the battery without any additional investments is more expensive than the expensive grid. We need better and much cheaper batteries with much more efficient solar tech (e.g. combining dual layer PV with perovskite) that allow us to recharge the EV at home from that battery too. And as to solar, it's plain ugly on an old home with architectural value. So we need roof tiles with solar on them as soon as the previous is in place.

[@jeffl4810]

Sooo much fud...

[@Bemx2k]

There will not be any battery breakthrough in 2025-2026 , they are too greedy to let that happen .

[@MrkBO8]

iow every existing ev is about to become as valued as a Pentium2 pc. Balloon payments on leases will be zero because now you will have to buy your leased car outright before it becomes an obsolete piece of crap instead of just a poc....as evidenced by the growing number of 2nd hand cyberstoves sitting in car yards pmsl

[@bobclarke9265]

This is why no one is buying EVs, No one wants yesterdays batteries.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

When they can get >400 miles charge in 2 minutes, in any weather, without degradation, I might be interested. Well no, as there still won't be the infrastructure to support that.

[@jeffl4810]

You fill yoir "gas" car with 400 miles of fuel in 2 minutes? Unlikely...

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

@@jeffl4810 The last time I timed it, it was 1 min 48 sec, from empty enough for the light to be on, to topped up. And that usually gets well over 400 miles. So you're right, it usually doesn't take as long as 2 mins for 400 miles, but I was being conservative.

[@jeffl4810]

​@@SteveLomas-k6k Do you have like a 25L tank? Just the walk from the pump to the cashier, waiting in line if its busy and back again usually takes at least few minutes...

[@jeffl4810]

Most people with an EV take 20-30s to charge. Which is the time it takes to plug in the cable once every week or two, when they park for the night.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

@@jeffl4810 I guess it depends where you live. My tank is 18.5 Gal (70 liters?). Pump rates are limited to 10 gal/min so that sounds about right. I pay at the pump which takes literally a few seconds.

[@mattjohnson9753]

Is it going to be a Communist Red Chinese game changer?

[@leos8720]

EV=exploding vehicle.... just for people who lives in the fantasy world...(Woke)...good luck

[@jeffl4810]

EV fires are actually 70 times less than ICE fires. And that includes the questionable brands.

[@simonpowell4641]

STICK YOUR EV's WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE...

[@chesshooligan1282]

😄😄😄 Cheer up, mate. Merry Christmas!!!

[@SilverPenguin-kc5qp]

Why are Luddites so angry? Reminds me of Vegans. You can not buy one and be cool about it. Well, at least you can forgo buying one until you can't.

[@jeffl4810]

​@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp I think the gas fumes damaged their brains...

[@honda4life812]

EVs are boring among many hickups and nobody I know would ever buy one not to say lie about mining the materials..

[@duanehorton4680]

I would NEVER purchase a car made in China. Any such purchase would help strengthen China's autocratic government.

[@SilverPenguin-kc5qp]

I would buy one if a low price since it would strengthen my economy which is more important than anyone elses. I shop at walmart too since saving money is better than paying more just to make an ignorant point.

[@joseabreu5802]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@FrankiePo89]

​@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp There are just too many of them hubris, making those ignorant point. I'm the same with you, love having the saving in my pocket.

[@李小白-x4v]

You act as if the Chinese are forcing you to buy, no one cares about you, and you don't have to make excessive statements

[@davidanderson7138]

Cant you get it through your thick heads!, NO ONE want's an EV!

[@SilverPenguin-kc5qp]

Electric viking has one and I know several people that have one. I want one, my son wants one and I have a friend that wants one. Sounds like just you and your Luddite friends don't want one.

[@davidanderson7138]

@ feel free to live in and enjoy your delusion, reality will hit come knocking soon enough!

[@FrankiePo89]

If that's the case, useu wouldn't have to impose EV targeted tariffs then. But they are doing just that, can you tell me why?

[@SilverPenguin-kc5qp]

@@FrankiePo89 Good point, what are the oil companies afraid of?

[@FrankiePo89]

@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp According to op, the oilmen have no worries.

[@john-mikaeljarvenkyla]

desperation intensifies

[@SilverPenguin-kc5qp]

Yeah, the desperation of the Luddites is intensifying and the denial is becoming extreme.