Ex-JW: "Is it worth going back in to help others get out?"

[@dennisconstantine624]

Definitely stay out, be honest with yourself, don’t live a lie.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

Nice guy. Could listen to him for hours. But I think he’s better off staying far away from the borg. 🏃🏻‍♂️

[@catmeow333]

David Splane mentioned this very thing recently. He said “apostates are sneaky, some even become elders” Personally, to me returning would be a waste of time.

[@shanghaiberti4142]

They claim elders are chosen by holy spirit... Does the Holy spirit choose apostates for elders wtf!!

[@freddyray6805]

They fail to see that they have apostasied immensely.

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

And if found out, it would confirm their bias.

[@robertshaw7692]

@@shanghaiberti4142 Scam from top to bottom

[@gwenjackson8583]

I have pretended to be an interested person when witnesses come to my door. I even studied with a lovely lady. I almost felt guilty for not telling her that I was raised a JW and left at 25. But I was able to plant so many ideas in her mind just by allowing her to study with me. As a study, we are able to ask so many more questions and express doubts about the material we are being shown. I feel like there is more of a chance to reach a witness by being an “interested” one. Of course, this would only work if you live far enough outside of your original territory so that anyone who comes to your door, or anyone they might bring to the study, wouldn’t recognize you.

[@StannisHarlock]

I can tell right away, you should leave this one alone. Stay out of Watchtower. They're bad to the bone. Don't set yourself up for constant frustration, Pete. Enjoy life :-)

[@takeyouryokeandlearnfromme1771]

You've got to realize that the organisation is doing the job by themselves of waking up their own believers. Since they started JW Broadcasting and televangelism, each convention has had videos that caused intelligent ones to start waking up and asking questions. For me, the seeds of waking up started with that one where they blatantly showed disfellowshipping and parents shunning their only daughter as "an act of love." I looked around the audience like, is this what we are showing nowadays to first-time attendees to our conventions? What is happening to the organisation in which I grew up? My final straw was the convention about the great Tribulation, showing the b0nk9r videos. That's when I went, that's it! So let them keep it up. They are inadvertently waking up more people each year.

[@sstaylor0614]

I agree with your comments… great tribulation video did it for me - was the straw that broke the camels back

[@cranberryjade]

I agree with you Lloyd. Mental health should be a major consideration. My exit was brutal. No need to return to the vomit, so to speak!

[@shanghaiberti4142]

I tottally agree... A lot of damage has been done too a lot of people.. By the evil 8

[@cranberryjade]

@@shanghaiberti4142 yes, not to mention all the cover for pedophiles...

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

I'll use an illustration that I used during my pioneer years. You help someone out of quicksand from the outside, not by getting into the quicksand yourself.

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

But by reaching in, to a safe distance.

[@freddyray6805]

Pete, you would be highly monitored. The org is very controlling even more these days. I don't see what you would be gaining by going back. Everything you need and more is available online from the JW and the ExJW.

[@cygnustsp]

In 1997 I was surreptitiously involved with a Jehovah's witness "reform" group with an emphasis on blood. It didn't work, and I could not imagine going to meetings and pretending to put in service hours for any reason.

[@maoriboy7645]

This is a good question

[@wjsjallday]

I've been helping people while doing the minimal. If you LDC you can get away with alot. I've helped in 1 CSA so far and they got justice. WhiIe I remained completely anonymous.

[@iamnotjojo1]

In the end, they'll just kick you out and tell everyone not to listen to what you told them.

[@akatheheretic3014]

Exactly . . So Why Waste Your Time? 🤷

[@TT-sz4pz]

No way I'd go crazy.

[@plumpynumnum7735]

I've had a fading out since I was a teenager after my grandma died. I'm 26 now and waking up from it all it feels really good but I get so much anxiety from the thought of losing my family members that I love to death. It's also frustrating my parents are sucked into the black and white view of everything. There isn't any ounce of open mindedness in them. It's JW or the highway... I finally recently opened up to them about a month ago on my doubts and how I really feel but ofcourse they point to apostate thinking but they don't even understand that I've been thinking these things before ever looking into all this stuff. But it's funny how witnesses are trained to act so quickly when they sense that a believer is doubting or questioning things they jump to the conclusion of apostasy. So it basically discredits all my doubts as unreasonable. I'm just glad that there are others that understand and that I'm not completely alone in this.

[@mercurydime8152]

Pete, I am very impressed and moved by your altruistic desire to help! Good for you. I’m thinking you could probably start with a Bible study and avoid actually becoming an unbaptized publisher for quite a while. That way you can still socialize and speak with a lot of Witnesses without having to actively participate in preaching. I’m faded, but I have JW friends in many states and countries who don’t know I’m an unbeliever. I’ve been trying to help anyone I can by sowing seeds of doubt through video chat, text & email. I must tell you, it’s not easy. Mostly I get cut off very quickly, but a few people are continuing to listen and a couple have actually woken up. It is very rewarding even if you can only do a little.

[@satinbarbi]

Never. Nothing could get me back in a KH. Nothing!

[@Letts_prey]

Ditto. It’s like a claustrophobic prison of fake smiles and stifled lives, filled with get me out of here vibes and judgemental drones. I know that sounds harsh, as there are many that I’m fond of, but once my eyes started to open, it felt more and more toxic each time. The honest approach is to be externally approachable.

[@shanghaiberti4142]

I don't think it would work... I might be wrong but it's not worth it... Great advice lloyd you are doing a great job.. You have made jws sit up and take notice..

[@truthseekeratheist9105]

I’m 66 too and it was so tumultuous and painful before I could clearly see my way out I cannot envision myself ever going back even for curiosity. I think before doing such a thing you should take good stock of why you would go back, and have a clear understanding of your objective in doing so. Do the benefits of doing such a thing outweigh the potential dangers. I know in my situation I lost a lot of time by being active in the Bible Students. Time I could have used in pursuing things that have value in my life. Cults have an insidious way of getting into your head and before you know it they have you seeing things their way. You somehow got out of a venomous snake pit , why jump back in?

[@1414141x]

Reading some of the comments posted it would seem that most people advise 'Pete' not to go down this route, however well intentioned. I initially felt it was a good idea because that is perhaps similar to how I would want to do, but on reflection I think the majority are correct and it is something you should not subject yourself to. Perhaps it is better just persuing this by supporting others who like Lloyd, openly challenge the JW cult without resorting to less 'palatable' underground infilitration. Especially now with Splane et al really obssessed with apostates and those in the congegations being 'suspect' perhaps. I think they are probably highly alert to this these days and it would not work for long.

[@gramking3222]

Chris Wood. Maybe Splane is so obsessed bc he is secretly an apostate. 😁

[@lunav5759]

It's not worth wasting more time going back

[@sabrinaellis5100]

For me personally, going back would do more harm than good

[@elexododelostestigosdejeho8161]

The minute he started planting doubts and asking questions the minute he will be in the Judidicial committee 😆🤣🤣🤣 good luck 👍🍀 ☕️

[@robertdaniel6084]

Love you Lloyd, keep up the good work❤️❤️

[@karbear1066]

He could be disfellowshipped if someone gets suspicious, branded bad association or an apostate. But what do you really have to lose? It’s probably not worth your time.

[@elenasimon1270]

Sounds like a lot of work to “help” others knowing the struggles involved. Think of the donation of time and money required to avoid being punished. I’m too lazy and too stingy.

[@JillyC5]

I think as you've been out so long, you may not realise how brainwashed the members are. The second you start to sow seeds of doubt, you would be marked as an apostate. It really isn't worth it. Anyone that is already doubting in the organisation can find the answers so easily now.

[@evsalas3]

You can only save yourself. The only ones who return to the org are the ones that stay broken and have no sense of self worth.

[@stevenmara1025]

I wouldn’t do it. You’d be earning these people’s trust under false pretenses and with an ulterior motive. Escaping from a lie shouldn’t be built on the foundation of another lie. Plus it sounds like something the stereotypical “apostate” would do, and is just as likely to backfire as to work.

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

I have to agree. His motive is noble, but honesty is the best way. He could make his own channel or create a website if he wants to be an activist. If he "infiltrated" a jw congregation and was found out, it would only confirm their worst ideas about apostates and other "wordly" people.

[@CanyonALynn]

I agree, but I can't help but chuckle with irony at one of the things you wrote: "You'd be earning these people's trust under false pretenses and with an ulterior motive." That's how JWs 'recruit' new members... 😁

[@sasukeuchiha8648]

It is too risky. When you try to wake someone, be hopeful that they won't report you to the elders. But if they reported you, you'll be back to square one and all your efforts and time going back will be wasted.

[@sirjuliusnorris7513]

Seems to me, going bk in, on a pretentious bases, would create a painful level of cognitive dissonance and inner turmoil.

[@wilbursmith2955]

Hi Lloyd found your channel recently after your Beeb appearance pleased you escaped. The answer to this persons question would be No. I have never been a witness but I claim the longest bible study 1962 to1984 started a ministry in 84 still going strong today, our tracts have and do go all over the world. Today the WT is falling apart the fantasy they preach is very clever but long term they are dead in the water. I am a Christian and when the opportunity occurs I am on there case I have after many years of learning, and making mistakes developed an approach to them that is unusual. So best wishes to you all. We are an English based ministry.

[@raventreefrog2305]

Going back in is mentally and emotionally costly. Your mind and conscience is divided. Not a small matter to maintain and fake it. Inner strength is needed to a high level. Love for those ones inside is your only real fuel to persevere. It’s not for the faint hearted.

[@onesunnyday5699]

An infiltrator (rubs hands together with evil grin). YESSSSSSSS. On a serious note, don't. It's a snake pit. Let's just pick a nice grassy knoll (No pun intended), unpack a lunch & watch it implode.

[@michaelwinkler7841]

Everyone can do as they wish but i know for sure that work on myself was a bigger priority than „going back to help others“

[@j.c.b6473]

Also, if you made it in and began sowing seeds of doubt, it would be just a matter of time before you were disfellowshipped for apostasy.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

I've never been a JW or in any cult, but I imagine one serious hardship with this strategy, would be that you will build up a rapport with people and end up with serious JW friends. It will be similar, if not the same as wanting to leave but being entrapped by loyalty. Get disfellowshiped, and you become a victim of ostracism by/from your new friends.

[@opietwoep1247]

I would go back only for the conventions. I haven’t slept well in years and I would love a post lunch nap like the ones I took back when I was in.

[@j.c.b6473]

I seriously considered getting reinstated so my mother could talk to me and she wanted us to take a road trip to visit places she and my father (whom I never knew) visited/dated. I thought it through carefully and realized that to be convincing I would have to go to all the meetings, door to door, and sneak about to maintain my "real" life. There was just no way I could have pulled that off. Not to mention my mother was a toxic person so what was the pay off?

[@adamhill1408]

It's everyone for themselves. Everybody has all the information they need about Jehovah's Witness at their fingertips thanks to smartphones. If they choose to remain in a cult there is not much you can do for them. Although you have noble intentions don't waste your time.

[@JL-nk3vz]

Awesome pic of Latourell. And totally agree. The info is out there. Sometimes people just want to stay in regardless of the facts.

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

Harriet Tubman lived out of the slave states while she made her daring exodus raids back in. She did not move back. Being actually in involves too much accepting of their seeds and missing of your seeding moments. In all of life, not just cults, staying in any peer pressured environment is like that. That's why personal liberty always depends on having some unsiciable emotional independence from the first available peer group. You are only ever on top when you are just making quick raids in and out, not staying in. In this case, that means keeping your view on your sticking point issues ckear enough and expressed enough, never hidden, that you never get in. You never get dedicated or take on long term meeting going. You can be an interested person, you can do a study if they tolerate you keeping your own sticking point views during it, you can visit a couple of meetings on a see-what-think basis. But you reject all the nagging to continue meetings, you hold to a line that it's unacceptable to you to take on and become subject to the disfellowshipping system. You demand detailed verified info on its nature that they can't give you, to show you it's not like exactly what you know it is like, :) and you demand a demonstrated explanation of how, if any of the info is not kept to, you could get anyone at meetings to listen to you about it + not run away from the conversation. This is all entirely reasonable for any thinking + careful interested person to ask them for, but is impossible + would bust the control system for them ever to give you it: hence its certain outcome is of not joining.

[@marsaspen-murray3797]

"Depends"? "Worth it"? It doesn't depend and it wouldn't be worth it, but that shouldn't even be an issue. We apostates should uphold the highest standards of integrity, critical thinking and respect. That's the best way to shine a light on the fraudulence of this cult. Descending to their levels of manipulation wouldn't work anyway, you would eventually be rumbled and then you would reinforce all the prejudices JWs have for us. When I left I did nothing to persuade my wife and children and kept back much of what I had learned. She left because she could not stomach the ostracism and shunning I received. She saw it as fundamentally un-Christian. Let the truth do its work.

[@petalparker5]

If I went back I would do a Jon Luc Picard and be like “THERE…ARE…4..LIGHTS”

[@morningglory9288]

I honestly feel the majority of JW's will not listen to the caller. They'll view him as an apostate and will risk himself getting disfellowshipped.

[@stevenclarke5606]

Higher education gives you the ability to think for themselves! Not just blindly follow their Lies!

[@rubenchoychoo8551]

Long live the saviour... Internet

[@justinrfds3187]

I dabble in the idea of the question but I really don't think it's worth it. It's hard to come up with silver bullets when dealing with the deluded sorta group dynamics and people who believe that well what if it is the truth... Even when it's not. I think there is more informal ways to go about it. Either way I hope people get help and get out and on with their life. 👍

[@justinrfds3187]

I've been wondering what the wine is like at memorial. ,🤭

[@oldchannel_MoM]

I think it's a waste of time to do personal undercover in the organization, the best way to wake people up is open activism like Lloyd. The best fighting tactic is with transparency, since the GB accuses apostates of being sneaky and stuff. So when you face them head on openly, you can prove them wrong even more time and time again.

[@susanhirst1910]

I would say Hell No, he might just get brainwashed again

[@justinrfds3187]

I knew some that I thought were out and...

[@b.w.7588]

I think that there might be other things that "Pete" can do besides rejoining the JW Organization to try and get Witnesses to question their beliefs. Rejoining the Organization might not end with good results. As Lloyd has said, "Pete" would be expected to evangelize and promote the JW faith to other people in his community, a faith that he personally no longer believes in. If caught trying to plant seeds of doubt to anyone in a JW congregation, "Pete" could end up being disfellowshipped and shunned. I'd politely recommend that "Pete", if he is able to, considers trying another tactic to get Witnesses to question the Watchtower Society's doctrines besides returning to the Organization.

[@b.w.7588]

I think its interesting to hear stories of other ex-JWs who left the Organization before the existence of the Internet. "Pete" was rather fortunate in that his parents weren't heavily devout Witnesses, which worked to his advantage where he was able to enroll as a college student at a university and was able to pursue a career that allowed him to travel through his work and experience the world outside the Organization. I find it interesting that he exchanged letters with Raymond Franz before his death. I do think that the Organization feels threatened by apostates, and it seems odd. I can't think of very many Christian denominations that really care what former members think or have to say about their religious community. On a more light note: if you think about it...if ex-JW apostates didn't exist, who would the JWs have to argue with?

[@jimbo3095]

When people persecute me i tell them I'm in the witness protection program. Get it? The Jehovah's witness protection program. I'm in the witness protection program. Does anyone find that funny?😃😄😃😀😈😇

[@dennisconstantine624]

When I was a lot younger a bunch of fives used to do the trick nicely. Mind you being 6-2 helped also.

[@colinriches1519]

If you're a great actor and the Kingdom halls were open then many things could 'go wrong' with things like the sound system, props going missing... I think the best thing to do is what you're already doing, going after the leaders in a way that means you never stoop to their level. After all the governing body has been saying recently about apostates, it's quite clear to me that the combined efforts we make is proving to be a real thorn in the flesh, as it were...

[@motorway2roswell]

If you went back, it might actually have a negative effect. JWs think that people returning means they are growing.

[@sherylprice480]

No dont do it. It would be seriously bad for your mental health.

[@sammyytube5999]

I would hope that the majority of PIMOs are sewing seeds of doubt while they await their great escape, and not just sitting by complicit. Perhaps this guy has time on his hands that he doesn't mind sharing for a cause that he feels is important. If he can stay totally awake during the mission, go for it and put a time frame on it. But he may find forming a close relationship may not be as easy since they are not at a hall. They are in groups behind a zoom camera. But individual connections are still possible via a study.

[@lemongrabloids3103]

I wish “Pete” would narrate stories for me to fall asleep to. Such a lovely voice

[@madeleine.gerding]

it is not worth, let the Witnesses mess up in the cult

[@NIL0S]

No. Beside my time there is another thing that would get compromised by "going back" to try and get people out. Honesty. I might be a non believer, but my concience is pretty pristine these days. I won't start pretending and lying, not even for a good cause. That would be no better than thinking theocratic warfare is an okay thing to do. If I ever influence any people to get out, it should be on the merits of my honest argumentation.

[@bbnCRLB]

You're right. It's best to stay away from them if not for being close to family and loved ones. It's not worth the attempt. They know where to find information if they need it.

[@MJ-ej5ok]

I have come to realize that anyone that stays in the religion is there because they are choosing to remain blind…. There are too many red flags….you can’t make any one leave it needs to come from them

[@montyollie]

I actually loved this question, as I've often thought of doing something similar myself. You didn't touch on the fact that some people are VERY GOOD at 'evangelism' and spreading the 'good news'... LOL for me, the good news is the freedom that came with getting out, and I have a knack for speaking eloquently and convincingly about the things I'm "evangelizing" about. I've often thought about reverse-indoctrination. I get that the caller feels like getting back in (infiltrating) would give him access to a crowd who would otherwise never listen to him speak. I highly doubt he would ever go door to door because those folks don't need deconverting. He's talking about those in, who might just need a little help getting out. I think it's a great idea for a certain personality type!

[@jimbobaggans1564]

Only you can answer that. But, to be honest you can't help anyone get out. They can only do that, on their own. They will only get angry at you. You won't be able to show them anything. They won't believe you. You can't show them anything. You can't tell them anything. If you try, don't expect results. You will just be frustrated. I don't even try. I don't talk about it, unless they ask me. When they start getting angry I say, you asked. If you don't want to hear, don't ask.

[@gemstar5511]

As an ex JW, born and raised, I went through my own issues with individuals within the congregation, one of whom is serving 7 years in prison for his crimes against me as a child! But why the hate campaign? I dont get it.. I really dont. The JW's as a whole (apart from the obvious bad apples) were such a loving family to me, the people you want to save, already feel saved! Theirs bad and good within any organisation.. the good always outshone the bad.. but that's my personal opinion. I use the fruits of the spirit daily, I still love the brothers and sisters even 30 years after leaving.

[@messynessygrace9182]

Get out of her my people if you don’t want to share in her sin stay away🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@dancingnature]

Dealing with narcissistic abuse and abusers is difficult and you’d be setting yourself up for severe depression and anxiety . Which could cause PTSD . It’s not worth it.

[@7eyeswideopen177]

Pete I am the same age group after 65yrs faded not awake then. I think it would be nearly impossible they are extremely guarded now at the hint of questions you are aquised of being an Apostle even if you get one who is easier to talk the elders will want to know everything. I know a couple generally interested were frightened off. It's not like it use to be much more pusher and everything revolves around Armageddon, Armageddon, Armageddon no conversation without it even one's I've known who were easy going have became very pushy about Armageddon. Years ago a few were pushy but now it will shock you. Before I faded I believed many our age were waking up though conversations were questioning things that were happening especially regarding the blood change. But now you can't speak about your doubts or have question it's now apostasy so they are extremely guarded not prepared to loss their spouse, children in fact everyone as I have done. If you do have fun but remember it was always safe guard your heart now it's always safe guard your freedom at all cost

[@c.t8958]

Being a PIMO can be exciting! Being able to see the Org slowly crumble while being there is interesting.

[@alan6480]

If someone comes back who has been outspoken against the org, they will find it very hard to be accepted back as a pro JW supporter. Witnesses are very wary of someone coming back. Plus it would be extremely hard to live a lie for months or even years, in the hope that you could finally get a family member to leave.

[@lauracatlin7300]

This man has a heart of gold to be so concerned about others who are still in. It takes a brave person to take such a risk. Perhaps there will be no results at first but many seeds planted. I say GO FOR IT!!!!!!

[@Jaxoflife]

Haven’t watched the vid yet but HEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO!😂😂😂

[@neilhorsley343]

What if they managed to convert him completely and turn him into a witness

[@bessmcneill971]

Make a youtube channel instead! You have a great teaching manner and a lot to share with the exjw community

[@sstaylor0614]

No … absolutely not

[@changesmustchange2063]

Don't waste your time. There gona think what they want anyway. However, it would make people more paranoid because of Splane's talk.

[@ratta2006]

To the voice mail...if you have the time.. Sounds like a great series you should undertake...Record as much as you can...then deliver them to all for our enjoyment!

[@ksturmer5388]

In a word........'NO!'

[@stephanmeijer]

Going back in a cult seems like an invitation to be indoctrinated.

[@beautyRest1]

It won’t work. As soon as you try to begin telling others about what you know, they will tell on you and they will watch you and try to volunteer you for giving answers at the wt study and so on. Once the elders smell that you might have woken up they won’t leave you alone. In other words : it’s useless!

[@crossroadcircleoffical]

I've thought about this often. But I know they will try to get me to shave and cut my dreads.

[@DerivativeWorker]

I would say that's a terrible idea. It could very well be the guy lying to himself and the draw of the hooks is really what he is after.

[@akatheheretic3014]

The BEST WAY to Help Them . . is to Speak and Live the Truth !! ( Just as Our Teacher YESHUA/JESUS Did ) 😊👌

[@ResearchThis]

There are already a lot of PIMO witnesses, better to be POMO if you ask me. Don't play with fire.

[@grannymabel]

No find Another way to use your activism this won't work

[@christinescott3177]

No No No “Pete”, you would get wheedled out in a very short space of time . .... and as Lloyd said how would be able to go knocking on doors and putting in a time sheet , in all good conscience. Much better to casually talk to people you find ,asking them questions in a way that won’t offend, just give them something to think about. . I know what I’m talking about. , been disfellowshiped at age 80, just for asking questions, and not acccepting their answers. 🤨🧐🤓

[@matthewjoseph6912]

Definitely not worth it. You can not reason with robots.

[@suejoyful5576]

you must not have a life to want to do that. 🤔might need counseling. I would go back to the doors i knocked and apologize and warn them.

[@gustavscholten597]

Going back….it would be like a dog returning to its vomit….

[@bennydodd]

I disagree that it is unethical. Forming relationships with people under false pretenses could cause a lot of harm. Be honest!

[@louisebush425]

No don’t do it because as soon as you mention to anyone anything contrary about the organisation you’ll be reported and be df

[@EX-JW-SJD]

Wolves in sheeps clothing eh? Well to be honest, there is more risk of failure than there is of success.

[@EX-JW-SJD]

I agree with Lloyd, it could put you in psychological discord.

[@martinvanderleek583]

No don`t go back! the old testament rule "eye for an eye" doesn`t exist anymore.. i mean: i believe that Jesus don't want this kind of actions. (if you still believe in Jesus) i mean: respect yourself and others. be kind to them and pray for them..

[@nirysjw748]

I would like to point out that here in Italy the congresses are circulating defamatory news about you, Lloyd

[@robertaluba7368]

Unless you are so absolutely bored and you have already accomplished everything you have ever wanted to do in life, this sounds like a waste of your time. I have even considered this myself. Although I chuckle and really enjoy exposing ass clowns for what they are, I just couldn't stomach going through the motions. It would only serve as a cringe stamina exercise. About 12 years ago, I was invited back after about 20 years away. At the time I was POMIish. It was so weird and has gotten weirder since. The love bombing I mistook as genuine quickly switched to soft shunning the second I asked the elder that was trying to recapture me a question about their current policy/practice on shunning. My sister was baptized as a child but left to join a traditional church cult later in life. She is shunned by my very PIMI mother. I was hoping to find my mom an avenue or loophole to talk with my sister or at least spark some thought on the subject...no dice. Maybe if some of them see you living your best life they will wake themselves up.

[@ThePlacatorySock]

Nononono ohhhh no.

[@donnyetta]

God will wake up who He wants to.

[@Ottonio]

I wonder if you ever made a research who was responsible for the application of the 2-Witness-Rule in the judicial comitee, who installed it.

[@buildingcollege]

Stay away! May be better to help those who are looking for help outside and already just left.

[@brianreardon159]

I can't be polite. This is the route to madness. You are being absolutely drawn in. I have a suspicion that you want to be.

[@hillsongbest3818]

no point of waking them up,just let them live in the fantasy .