Jehovah's Witnesses believe they've fixed shunning

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Lloyd Evans

Lloyd Evans

Күн бұрын

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@kalasatwater2224
@kalasatwater2224 Ай бұрын
As a shunned person I haven't noticed anything different from my JW family, they still wont talk to me, I'm glad Norway saw through their lies
@Gasto7802
@Gasto7802 Ай бұрын
This is true!
@Normanclegg1
@Normanclegg1 Ай бұрын
It’s amazing what stopping their benefits fining millions of dollars will change their Bible view
@ArtVentriss
@ArtVentriss Ай бұрын
Yes , obtaining money and agitating for money from a worldly government - which is part of Satan's wicked system and portrayed as beast like - seems to be a high priority for the JW leadership.
@humbles19
@humbles19 Ай бұрын
Me too. No loving texts or contact.....
@lisasinsheimer8212
@lisasinsheimer8212 Ай бұрын
My family still doesn’t talk to me either
@EmilySolem-Davis
@EmilySolem-Davis Ай бұрын
The damage has already been done and cannot be undone.
@RebelRosey
@RebelRosey Ай бұрын
EXACTLY!!!!
@JadeChalmers-d1n
@JadeChalmers-d1n Ай бұрын
Yes nothing will ever get me my missed years with my kids back, when they shunned me after leaving their abusive dad. Nothing will get over me losing my kids to this cult. My eldest is out now but those wasted years. Every day I think of my children.
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 9 күн бұрын
The cult started teaching its members to give charity after the COVID pandemic. The new light comes after all the harm is done😢
@jeanettekays1954
@jeanettekays1954 Ай бұрын
This was not Jehovah's mercy. This was a bunch of men who have elevated themselves as gods making a decision to attempt to reverse the incredible damage already inflicted.
@gailcullinan
@gailcullinan 28 күн бұрын
Yes JW Org is a man-made cult. Worship is of the literature that JW publish
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 2 күн бұрын
@@jeanettekays1954 This dangerous cult has caused irreversible damage with their man made rules. While religion in general kills someone instantly, this cult kills some one everyday and slowly. This cult is cancer to humanity.
@jordanburnette8070
@jordanburnette8070 Ай бұрын
I remember a kid whose dad got DF and she totally ignored him while living under his roof and eating his food. Looking back and being a parent myself now, it makes my blood boil.
@gailcullinan
@gailcullinan 28 күн бұрын
Disgusting choice of conduct and against God
@Junie-i3o
@Junie-i3o Ай бұрын
They returned to their family, not the cult.
@heidi4712
@heidi4712 Ай бұрын
Right
@Forensicsllc
@Forensicsllc Ай бұрын
Don't be fooled by fake empathy, my friends...
@DietlindeJanssen
@DietlindeJanssen Ай бұрын
And then right to fading after...like so many do.
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 Ай бұрын
​Precisely.
@claudetteedwards4115
@claudetteedwards4115 Ай бұрын
Back in the day this religion hated TV evangelism and religious organisations that pushed sob stories to give followers 'Emotional Highs'..Now they are just as pathetic or perhaps even more so.
@glorialeach7301
@glorialeach7301 Ай бұрын
I remember the many talks about the TV preachers and we were warned NOT to watch or listen because it was SATAN talking. 🤯
@soskeepingitreal9401
@soskeepingitreal9401 Ай бұрын
They are raging, blatant HYPOCRITES on soooo many levels and they always have been!🤮🤬
@trailtreker7002
@trailtreker7002 29 күн бұрын
And Now , They are The New TV evangelism and religious organisation .
@kelz7039
@kelz7039 10 күн бұрын
When I was in it in the 90’s you couldn’t have facial hair (mustache at most). Now I see beards and goatees now 😂😂
@billyd5317
@billyd5317 Ай бұрын
“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion.”
@AugustGrace-w2q
@AugustGrace-w2q Ай бұрын
😢
@dscott2542
@dscott2542 Ай бұрын
Well said
@Biff-c5h
@Biff-c5h Ай бұрын
I have already received my 100-fold 22 years ago. How about you? Never leave the truth! That's a Bozo no-no..
@gailcullinan
@gailcullinan 28 күн бұрын
Delusion
@Biff-c5h
@Biff-c5h 28 күн бұрын
@@gailcullinan I have already received my 100-fold 22 years ago. How about you? Never leave the truth! That's a Bozo no-no..
@Mary-t2p6p
@Mary-t2p6p Ай бұрын
I was never disfellowshipped but disassociated. They drove my 13 year old daughter to come very close to complete a suicide, She passed away of lung cancer this year. They have never in 30 plus years including when I was in and pioneering reached out to even see how we were doing. This is just utter nonsense.
@RebelRosey
@RebelRosey Ай бұрын
Yeah it’s all a show. Nothing changed!!!!
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
Sorry to hear about your daughter. You were in contact with her, though?
@liliana2136
@liliana2136 Ай бұрын
My condolences and love to you
@Mary-t2p6p
@Mary-t2p6p Ай бұрын
@ of course, we left all of us together.
@Mary-t2p6p
@Mary-t2p6p Ай бұрын
@@Eric_01 we all left the ‘truth’ together after this
@alphaEmpress999
@alphaEmpress999 Ай бұрын
Destroying lives with no care at all. His Weak display of emotion means nothing to me
@isaiah30v8
@isaiah30v8 Ай бұрын
This is what Jehovah thinks of the Governing Bodies treatment of people: . Micah 3:1-4 And I proceeded to say: “Hear, please, YOU heads of Jacob and YOU commanders of the house of Israel. Is it not YOUR business to know justice? 2 YOU haters of what is good and lovers of badness, tearing off their skin from people and their organism from off their bones; 3 YOU the ones who have also eaten the organism of my people, and have stripped their very skin from off them, and smashed to pieces their very bones, and crushed [them] to pieces like what is in a widemouthed pot and like flesh in the midst of a cooking pot. 4 At that time they will call to Jehovah for aid, but he will not answer them. And he will conceal his face from them in that time, according as they committed badness in their dealings. . .
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
@@isaiah30v8 You're annoying everyone with your copy and paste comment scattered through this section. Hush, now.
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
Yeah, I see a lot of people saying "good acting", but it wasn't even good.
@JayneMueller-w9l
@JayneMueller-w9l Ай бұрын
This man is so false. He makes me feel nauseous.
@isaiah30v8
@isaiah30v8 Ай бұрын
@@Eric_01 -- Why annoyed? The bible shows that the rulers of God's people are not very nice: . Isaiah 28:14-15 Therefore hear the word of Jehovah, YOU braggarts ** YOU RULERS OF THIS PEOPLE ** who are in Jerusalem: 15 Because YOU men have said: “We have concluded a covenant with Death; and with She´ol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for WE HAVE MADE A LIE our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves”; . “We have concluded a covenant with Death" . Millions Now Living Will Never Die . . It corroborates the sentiments in the video above! .
@mrsb7947
@mrsb7947 Ай бұрын
hi Lloyd just for your inform and your listeners look at what I found in the awake January 8 1947 page 27-28 how the watchtower was condemning the catholic church about the excommunication saying that is was a non biblical disposition and a pagans rituel and then in 1952 in the watchtower March 1st page 131-148 they applying a ‘’new light’’ to apply excommunication on there flocks. They clearly accepted the non biblical and pagan practice that they condemn 4 years earlier. they are just like the scribes and pharisees in Jesus time
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
Lloyd has covered that in the past, but I love seeing people putting it all together. Good reminder!
@oldcrab4636
@oldcrab4636 Ай бұрын
I won't never never never give them this "joy" by being reinstated in this cult ! honestly I found real freedom and nothing, nothing is more tremendous to me ! I don't judge those who never were in capacity to rebuild their skills, or be able to live without their family or "friends". It's a personal choice and sincerely today I really don't care about other's choice !
@BobbyMelissa
@BobbyMelissa Ай бұрын
They have blood on their hands for all the suicides committed from this ungodly practice. God didn't shed new light on something he never implemented in the first place. Hypocrites, all of them.
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 9 күн бұрын
This cult criticizes the Catholic religion for what they have done during medieval times. If this cult existed during that time, no doubt it would have committed an enormous blood shed.
@tommythecat4961
@tommythecat4961 Ай бұрын
The rank and file really do suffer because of shunning, whether it's on the receiving end or the giving one. A thousand DFed people means a thousand broken families, a thousand friends who no longer talk to each other, sometimes for decades, sometimes for ever. Nothing will ever be able to repay the pain this practice inflicted on so many. Even the ones who shun often do so because they're terrified of losing all of their social interactions, and are no less victims.
@dwaynecaron5629
@dwaynecaron5629 Ай бұрын
Regardless of the reason that the GB decided to soften their stance on many of the old laws, they get zero credit for doing so. None of these changes erase their guilt for inflicting so much pain, suffering and damage to so many people over so many decades. On count number one of being a cult the defendant is found guilty as charged. On count number two of crimes against humanity the defendant is found guilty as charged. Sentence. Death by infliction of reason, logic and skepticism.
@jjdiambrini-palazzi
@jjdiambrini-palazzi Ай бұрын
Beautifully put
@JohnDoeSchmoe
@JohnDoeSchmoe Ай бұрын
So Jehovah was "sitting up there", looking at all the shunning for decades, and then all of a sudden he decides _"Ooops, almost forgot how forgiving and merciful I am, better do something about this!"_ ?
@alishaschafer3069
@alishaschafer3069 22 күн бұрын
Exactly!!! It’s all so ludicrous.
@TiktokFAFO
@TiktokFAFO 10 күн бұрын
God's word never changes!
@kelz7039
@kelz7039 10 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@kelz7039
@kelz7039 10 күн бұрын
Jehovah had it wrong all these years huh.
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 9 күн бұрын
The irony is the new light comes after all the harm is done. The GB is sleeping on Watchtower and not alert. They wake up after everybody is dead.😅
@hereticjonathan3067
@hereticjonathan3067 Ай бұрын
The Parable of The Prodigal Son blows disfellowshipping right out of the water.
@glorialeach7301
@glorialeach7301 Ай бұрын
I was in and out several times before I was officially disfellowshipped, my Dad was a revered Elder, that might be the reason BUT one of my ‘returns’ caused my aunt to use ‘the parable’ but my sister very openly said that made her sick because I was only doing what I should be doing. 😁 Never any forgiveness!!!!!!!
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
That parable astonishes me at how useless it is. A spoiled brat runs away, blows his money, doesn't like being broke and comes home. He never repented for anything, he just didn't like being broke. The brother in that parable was spot on!
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
@@glorialeach7301 They routinely misapply that parable. It does not give the message they think it does.
@thetruthk5138
@thetruthk5138 Ай бұрын
​@@glorialeach7301You don't need validation from anyone for decisions you make . Stop doing it , it takes there power away
@Biff-c5h
@Biff-c5h Ай бұрын
2 Tim 3:1-5
@charlottecollier-hunter5181
@charlottecollier-hunter5181 Ай бұрын
The level of cult manipulation included with this video is absolutely horrific. This repulsive institution completely destroyed my family, allowing my life to descend into trauma, isolation and pain and impacted every part of my life. The abuse and destruction could never be compensated and if there is a God, his omnipresence means that, despite "free will" he KNEW EVERYTHING before he even supposedly created the planet, before he created the "devil" and the garden of Eden and it shows that he is a sadistic, abusive psychotic war monger whose coercive appeal to be loved through fear is nothing short of abusive. I have nothing but pity for those who engage with this cult and hope that the investigations into it bring about charges and destruction of this insipid organisation to halt this kind of damage continuing.
@Hawxx9194
@Hawxx9194 Ай бұрын
After all the misery that a person goes through after being disfellowshipped, how on earth do they reason that a person would be happy to return to the people that caused so much agony for them? These people are so tone deaf when it comes to this subject. Its totally lost on them that at any point they can reach out to shunned family members on their own? They are acting on the words of a man on a stage who is being puppeted by Heaven's Eleven..."The governing body said I can talk to you now!" just underlines how insidious this practice actually is.
@mikemorris2867
@mikemorris2867 Ай бұрын
This cult is utterly obscene.
@master-thesisthelonewolf2103
@master-thesisthelonewolf2103 Ай бұрын
The JWs rebranding is making them actually look more culty. The fact that they are even trying to change some of their strict, insane policies, are just shining a stronger light on just how culty they are. I hope they continue to implode.
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 Ай бұрын
Thing is, they're not imploding.
@hereticjonathan3067
@hereticjonathan3067 Ай бұрын
Fleegle deserves an Oscar for his acting.
@BigGamePlayer-hi9lu
@BigGamePlayer-hi9lu Ай бұрын
@@hereticjonathan3067 zero shame he lives in Bethel world remember no kids no family no responsibility !
@jonqd7653
@jonqd7653 Ай бұрын
I agree, he is acting
@eddienavarro4388
@eddienavarro4388 Ай бұрын
That dude is a complete tool.. With all due respect.
@user-vo4wc2jz8g
@user-vo4wc2jz8g Ай бұрын
Still shunned - no change 🤷🏼‍♂️
@glorialeach7301
@glorialeach7301 Ай бұрын
I love beards BUT NOT on these clowns. It is so sickening due to the fact that ANY brother with the slightest growth would be REPRIMANDED because Jehovah did NOT like beards but now all of a crazy sudden HE loves them !!!! What kind of crazy GOD does such a wishy washy thing!!! Same for disfellowshipped ones. I was told many years ago that since it had been a long time ago that I could be reinstated right away. 🤯
@RedDwarff
@RedDwarff Ай бұрын
I think I'm correct in saying that the Romans were the ones who introduced shaven appearances. Ironic considering Christianity and Catholic came from them.
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 9 күн бұрын
Banning beards, birthday celebrations are more important to this cult than showing kindness, the basic teaching of the Bible. No words to say
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 2 күн бұрын
@@glorialeach7301 The religion is satanic.
@leetrippii1830
@leetrippii1830 Ай бұрын
It's just horrible. Human relationships can not be just rebuilt after years of no contact. Very sad and inhumane teachings
@properteaproperty
@properteaproperty Ай бұрын
Sounds like they are desperate for numbers.. I've been exiled by my family for 20 years now.. no change here
@LaineyW1983
@LaineyW1983 Ай бұрын
Honestly.. When I heard this I was ready… I was like please let one of these people reach out and tell me how missed and loved I am… cause I am ready to unload some feelings lol it’s been 20ish years for me as well.
@ltbob8274
@ltbob8274 Ай бұрын
I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. I was required to "prepare for" and attend FIVE meetings per week...The Ministry School, The Service Meeting, The Book Study, The Watchtower Study and the Public Talk. Along with this, I was expected to get at LEAST 10 hours of "Field Service" or Door to Door each month, prepare and give a "talk" about every two months, and attend all of the Circuit and District Conventions. (District Conventions back then were FIVE LONG DAYS.) I had very little time or energy for anything else, and I rarely did any homework. I was also not allowed to have any friends in "the world" or "worldly" friends. I was not allowed to partake in ANY after school activities...I was not even allowed to join the Chess Club. I never got to celebrate Christmas or have a birthday party...not to mention Easter, 4th of July or any other holiday. And I did not have a clue that I was in a cult. I believed everything I was taught since I was a baby, and like I was trained, would DEFEND "the truth" to anyone that tried to show me the true light or real truth. I was about 40 years old when I began to question what I had been taught. I coincided with them changing the doctrine on 1914 yet again, due to their "new light." According to them, the generation of 1914, is STILL alive, and Jesus has already returned, but he came invisibly. Once I started to do honest research with a lot of it using the "Societies" own past publications, my eyes were opened. (Among other things, they have had one false prophesy after another.) I have now been free from this high control cult for many years, after doing a "long fade" as to avoid being disfellowshiped and shunned, simply for no longer agreeing with their doctrine. One thing to keep in mind...you may....just may, be able to plant a small seed of doubt in the mind of a JW, but they are TRAINED to raise their shields and NOT even listen to anyone or anything that questions the teaching of their Governing Body...especially an X-JW who they refer to as "apostates." They will not visit your church, or read anything you give to them. At your door, they may take it, but they are trained to throw it away without looking at it. Never forget they are truly cultists. And I am so glad I have freed myself from them. Shun me all you want. It's worth it. Oh, and take your "greeting" and stick it sideways.
@StarshipTr00per
@StarshipTr00per Ай бұрын
I won't be some of "these dear ones" that are welcome back anytime soon. WTF am I saying? Never again!
@morningglory9288
@morningglory9288 Ай бұрын
All these GB's and helpers wearing beards....its crazy. Are they trying to make a statement that beards are acceptable now?
@A.D.I.I.D.A
@A.D.I.I.D.A Ай бұрын
They've changed the rules and beards are allowed now.
@glorialeach7301
@glorialeach7301 Ай бұрын
Makes me sick!!!
@mysticdiana4402
@mysticdiana4402 Ай бұрын
They are allowed now. A joke in itself. Pretty sure back in the days...Jesus and everyone had facial hair/beards. I highly doubt they shaved everyday or rarely at all. Do they not know how ridiculous it all is. To say God says it's OK now. Talk about full blown brainwashing.
@jdsthird
@jdsthird Ай бұрын
Didn’t take them long to grow those beards. I remember when I was kid watching the dramas at the convention and wondering why all the biblical characters always had beards. That was so weird to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@KeithBryantOfficial
@KeithBryantOfficial Ай бұрын
​@@jdsthirdSame
@kdkdi
@kdkdi Ай бұрын
The idea that the emotional breakdown wasn’t completely devised and approved beforehand is nutty
@Forensicsllc
@Forensicsllc Ай бұрын
They're all actors. Never believe fake empathy...
@trailtreker7002
@trailtreker7002 29 күн бұрын
I agree , its just Watchtower showmanship
@WheelchairWonders
@WheelchairWonders Ай бұрын
Well ... they haven't invited or welcomed me back yet... Not a single word from any of my family.. Nada.. (Phil - UK)
@shenelleprince8018
@shenelleprince8018 Ай бұрын
Same here. My brother in law being an elder. They're high and mighty and self righteous esp when it comes to them labeling who is an apostate.
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
Same for me. It's been nearly a year? Not one word from anyone. I think that tells me that everyone likes the situation as it is. I agree with them on this one point.
@justinporter458
@justinporter458 Ай бұрын
Blackmail really does work
@annemarie19553
@annemarie19553 Ай бұрын
Justin Porter458, WHOA!!!! 😮 What a great and valid point!!! Preach it, Dude!!! 😎
@Jalle6673
@Jalle6673 Ай бұрын
The JWs clap for those that return to the cult due to the fear, control, and programming/brainwashing that they received. We clap for those that successfully escaped the cult, never to return to their abuser.
@annemarie19553
@annemarie19553 Ай бұрын
Jalle6673, Yep!!! 👍 Damn, straights!!! 😅
@deborahd4310
@deborahd4310 Ай бұрын
When my 2 older brothers took me out to lunch and we had a conversation a couple of days later... They said they never agreed with how they had to treat me... Does that make me angry? A bit but I know it is hard to go against a mind control cult. The one thing I have learned, oh so clear, is no one, no group is doing to dictate to me how I treat people, especially my family. But I am one of the lucky ones in my family I escaped. Did it come at a high price. Damn straight it did. Being shunned was very painful. I am good even before they took me out to lunch but what a waste.
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
That would have really made me even more angry. After 20 years of being shunned, especially knowing how much of their "doctrines" the rank and file takes with a grain of salt, I no longer accept brainwashing as an excuse to completely forfeit your natural affection for family that you claim you would die for...but will completely discard in order to save your own a##. I realize we would each deal with this in different ways, but my brothers, sisters, mother, and children will get no lunch. But, it's not like they've reached out, so I guess that's that.
@mikegonzalez503
@mikegonzalez503 Ай бұрын
​@@Eric_01That's always the thing right , for some of us they never reach out
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
@@mikegonzalez503 That's why the cut-off goes both ways for me. I'm not sitting around waiting for them. After enough time passes under these conditions, I simply will not forgive them. Ever.
@charlesdanielwakeham6549
@charlesdanielwakeham6549 Ай бұрын
A cult, is a cult ,it will come to nothing.
@Ed30675
@Ed30675 Ай бұрын
2 members of my family who were disfellowshipped got themselves re-instated... They only did this so they could speak with family again.. They soon after reinstatement ceased attending meetings...it was all a sham ...
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 Ай бұрын
It's perhaps not a sham so much as complete inability to reintegrate. I tried, and tried hard but failed to become a member of the flock or warmly recieved my family members.
@funnyjawharp7026
@funnyjawharp7026 Ай бұрын
What's with everyone growing beards. It's like everyone wanted to grow one for years, and as soon as the policy changes, they go mad growing one. What a bunch of dangerous children. Controlling adult lives.😮😮😮
@cherylhennessy57
@cherylhennessy57 Ай бұрын
Lies!!
@dinara_safina
@dinara_safina Ай бұрын
This is just sad. When will they realize this new light isn't from God it's from these arrogant men?
@dave72ization
@dave72ization Ай бұрын
Or was he just waiting for the obligatory clapping 🤔
@estherchandy6292
@estherchandy6292 Ай бұрын
Not going back. My conscience wont allow it
@unclesalty7778
@unclesalty7778 Ай бұрын
Same here! NEVER EVER GOING BACK I KNOW TOO MUCH! Because Jesus is my way of, truth, life , resurrection and only way to the FATHER! Not their false can’t make up his mind God! These poor people are being so misleading by those liars up in Bethel!
@trailtreker7002
@trailtreker7002 29 күн бұрын
@@unclesalty7778 Covered by Grace , not Underserved Kindness ..........
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 9 күн бұрын
You will add more sin and trauma in your life if you go back. Just stay out and do what you can.
@BLARG09
@BLARG09 Ай бұрын
The fake im about to cry and waiting for clapping is nauseating 🤢
@BLARG09
@BLARG09 Ай бұрын
Did that look actually real to anyone. I had a narcissistic father and a husband and I've seen this kind of acting before.
@sammaztec7451
@sammaztec7451 Ай бұрын
Obviously those that were removed and came "back" were not interested to learn the truth about the "truth".
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
I wonder how many of them had been out for less than a year, anyway.
@georgebrown8312
@georgebrown8312 Ай бұрын
Considering the way the Watchtower Society's misgoverning nobodies have flip-flopped on their doctrines over the years that the organization has existed, why should anyone believe them now? After all the untold damage that their unjust shunning policy has caused, it would seem that they should come right up front and apologize to those whom the Jehovah's Witnesses have shunned, even if it means that the Watchtower Society would incur some measure of reproach, not only for their shunning policy but, also, their dangerous "no blood transfusion" policy, and, last but not least, their scandalous covering up of cases of sexual abuse against children in their congregations over the years. It may be painful and inconvenient for the Watchtower Society's Governing Body to admit their wrongful treatment of their congregations, but trying to hide the truth will not work anymore. Thank you for the latest update on Jehovah's Witnesses.
@georgebrown8312
@georgebrown8312 Ай бұрын
By the way, if the Watchtower Society has really "fixed" the shunning problem, then they should "put up or shut up". They should back their claims up with actions or shut their mouths and back off.
@sadtruth3066
@sadtruth3066 Ай бұрын
He was emotional because of the guilt he felt, standing there thinking of the number of families he's destroyed
@1000PaperCuts-f3j
@1000PaperCuts-f3j Ай бұрын
7:00 min in: "One decade goes by, two decades goes by, three decades goes by..." I wouldn't be thinking, "Why doesn't my father come back?" I'd be thinking, "Why no Armageddon? Maybe I should leave too."
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 Ай бұрын
That's fantastic.
@Ballykeith
@Ballykeith Ай бұрын
So a number of people have "come back" because they've told Witnesses to contact and encourage family and former friends to return, they've told elders to be open to these ones and they've introduced some very modest reforms. Just how committed will most of these people really be when they've not been inclined to pursue reinstatement of their own accord for possibly a considerable period of time? Looks to me to be largely a bums-on-seats exercise and I anticipate that many returners will soon drift away again.
@Jesus-Is-Lord--Romans-Ten-Nine
@Jesus-Is-Lord--Romans-Ten-Nine Ай бұрын
It's funny how quickly they are growing beards 😂
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
It's almost like they changed the rule for themselves. Hmmm.
@nivlek3234
@nivlek3234 Ай бұрын
These are the same people who released an awake article in 1947 condemning the Catholic Church for ex communicating their members but in 1952 till present they remix it & call it disfellowshipping or removed. What hypocrites.
@camilelovejoy6574
@camilelovejoy6574 Ай бұрын
I am about to throw up.
@annemarie19553
@annemarie19553 Ай бұрын
CamileLoveJoy, 😅 And I thought it was just me!!! 😂
@davidlarin3866
@davidlarin3866 Ай бұрын
Interesting how they use the word "removed" and not the word Disfellowshiped.
@Mac-x5r
@Mac-x5r Ай бұрын
Simply changing a term will not change the culture in place for the last 70 years
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 9 күн бұрын
A new title "Disfellowshipped" to "Removed". A life time trauma
@RebelRosey
@RebelRosey Ай бұрын
They need to get better actors.
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 Ай бұрын
Volunteers.... They're lucky to get the actors they do as they are all unpaid.
@AugustGrace-w2q
@AugustGrace-w2q Ай бұрын
So much emotion & tears in this video, yet the csa cases are hidden, dismissed, minimized, where is the emotion Gage?
@freebird197
@freebird197 Ай бұрын
I think they keep his breakdown in because that all helps with the gaslighting ! They will see his emotion as proof of their "love" for the flock and just backs up their belief that it is the right way to treat people
@lynetteedwards
@lynetteedwards Ай бұрын
As a former jw I find it crazy that some are returning to the wt all because of a "hello" at the k hall...
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
So, in four months in the U.S., 5K POMI were reinstated. What I would like to know is what the average of disfellowshipings (no, I will not adopt the word, removed) is during a quarter and how much of the 5K was a wash. They are NOT suddenly 5K stronger, others left simultaneously.
@jwtruth
@jwtruth Ай бұрын
Old COBE reached out to me last March hoping the changes would help me be active again. Talked an hour and a half and left it saying theres a better chance he would join me than i would ever go back. Zero percent for me lol
@1bwznxpr
@1bwznxpr Ай бұрын
What took “Jehovah” all these generations and decades to FINALLY come around to having some love and mercy towards all these “apostates whom at one time He loved, then hated, now loves again? And how can all these Witnesses so easily accept these “apostates” back into the fold, whom they hated with vile contempt just the day before? And what is with all these beards and facial hair? Did I miss another “new-light” revelation????
@jackpetersen7231
@jackpetersen7231 Ай бұрын
Spoke to an elder (former friend) her i Denmark, who said nothing has change with the laws and the general shunning policy
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
He's right, basically. Just using some new words now and they promise not to DF any kids until their 18th birthday. Woopee.
@mikekent1490
@mikekent1490 Ай бұрын
When you consider that an average of over 40,000 are disfellowshipped annually. Not so impressive.
@Mary-t2p6p
@Mary-t2p6p Ай бұрын
Very powerful statement at 6:11 Lloyd. Great point.
@malkneil
@malkneil Ай бұрын
Their numbers must be hurting if they're looking to let DFs back in
@54spatula
@54spatula Ай бұрын
‘Welcomed back’ and ‘reinstated’. It’s like they were so close to being free to live their lives, but somehow things didn’t work out for them.
@Tmg1971
@Tmg1971 Ай бұрын
So the elders come and try to help? Really? All the years I have been gone NOT one has ever tried to contact me. Total BS
@slimfadey2973
@slimfadey2973 Ай бұрын
These guys getting teary eyed and crying reminds me of Jim Baker and the other T.V. evangelist. I remember a time in this religion where we looked down on emotional manipulation and Christian pop/country music videos. What a absurd joke this religion has become.
@thunderstyx362
@thunderstyx362 Ай бұрын
All of the crying in this video looks incredibly forced and fake. I don't buy it for a second. Gage sat there waiting for the applause. It was all staged.
@RebelRosey
@RebelRosey Ай бұрын
Totally!
@Eric_01
@Eric_01 Ай бұрын
I could totally see that being "his role". The sensitive one, if it weren't for people like Lett and Losch thinking that was a massive display of weakness. I doubt it was sanctioned.
@jovialbivouacker99
@jovialbivouacker99 Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t return even if they offered a monetary incentive! Good riddance! I’ll never regret writing my disassociation note (I wrote it on a small notebook page) over thirty years ago!😉
@deezedayze8550
@deezedayze8550 Ай бұрын
Can we believe anything this organisation says…. I think not.
@kenspam
@kenspam Ай бұрын
Emotions were displayed because of the money they are losing not because of concern for the flock.
@BestPunkyEver
@BestPunkyEver Ай бұрын
So, if shunning doesn’t exist anymore, what are the policies regarding those who still do not wish to go back to the faith or those who wish to leave?
@annemarie19553
@annemarie19553 Ай бұрын
BestPunkyEver, Ha,ha!!!! 😅 Great question!!! 😂
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 Ай бұрын
Shunning still exists.
@chrissyparkins1615
@chrissyparkins1615 Ай бұрын
This ‘new arrangement’ has made me angry enough, that I’ll for SURE never go back. It’s disgusting. I’m not being treated any differently, so why should I be excited about this?
@catrionamcgee8685
@catrionamcgee8685 Ай бұрын
Nauseatingly obscene fiasco 😢🤮
@dawnsrayz
@dawnsrayz Ай бұрын
This is so messed up! All the emotion because Norway made them change, not Jehovah. If Norway hasn’t called them psychologically cruel, this wouldn’t have happened. And they say it’s Jehovah doing everything he can for one sheep. What sheep? The guy was ousted. He wasn’t a sheep anymore. The truth is, it probably only took very little for them to oust him 8:31 to begin with. “Here’s the boot! Don’t let the door hit ya on your way out, sinner. You’re too sinful to socialize with us anymore.” That’s Jehovah too. And it’s Norway making them change. But I’m glad some people who have no shame and are willing to bow to them again are allowed to talk to their families again. 🙄 Now they can fade quietly and no one needs to shun them 😂 but I’d have more respect for them if they lived authentically and never let watchtower have any of the reins of their life anymore and called them out for this psychological cruelty. These people must be missing their family very much or are otherwise just masochistic.
@marwatson7408
@marwatson7408 Ай бұрын
Jehovah Witnesses don’t know which way is up letting alone trying to fix shunning .🙄🙄🙄
@gailcullinan
@gailcullinan 28 күн бұрын
Yes Lloyd it shows me that these parents are programmed which is why they suddenly accept the shunned son ...
@theamalgamut8871
@theamalgamut8871 Ай бұрын
I threw up in my mouth.
@sgt.v7237
@sgt.v7237 Ай бұрын
Bunch of frauds they are. I've been out one year next month. No one has contacted me. Not that I care because I can never go back. I do know a publisher, though that who is in a difficult situation with a young daughter with a severe medical condition. Also married to a non-witness. Has a huge amount of stress in his life and so has missed meetings. As a result he is viewed as spiritually weak and no one pays him any attention. This is not an organization of love. It's an organization looking for financial survival just like any corporation.
@FadedInSanDiego2025
@FadedInSanDiego2025 Ай бұрын
This is so touching. You can see he is so touched and happy to return (as tears fall). And as I say that the sudden pause of the GB member (i almost wanted to laugh but happy the crowd applauded on que). My mother would have been so emotional seeing that.
@keineahnung74
@keineahnung74 Ай бұрын
😂😂
@RebelRosey
@RebelRosey Ай бұрын
@@keineahnung74
@pomoremo448
@pomoremo448 Ай бұрын
That guy getting choked up about his father…first off, so sad that he’s equating the governing body as God - proof JWs do, in fact, see them as the voice of God - and instead of seeing that a group of dudes made it so that his development from childhood through (age 50?) was impacted negatively. In such a cultish and insidious way.
@lotuspoints
@lotuspoints Ай бұрын
How they trap ppl with this conditional relationships and love, so evil
@hussainnabi1232
@hussainnabi1232 Ай бұрын
More going out the back door and never returning
@euniceendenburg403
@euniceendenburg403 Ай бұрын
Ik zit naar een tv programme te kijken waar jonge meisjes zwanger zijn geworden waaronder een meisje van 17 die is groot gebracht in JHGETUIGEN gezin is verbannen door haar ouders ouders waren gescheiden leefde bij haar vader is op haar 9jaar misbruikt kon niet meer bij haar vader wonen. Ging naar haar moeder maar ging niet goed kwam op straat terecht zit nu in begeleid wonen met haar kindje ze zei ook haar hele jeugd is verpest😢 heel blij met haar dochter
@chuckp3131
@chuckp3131 Ай бұрын
A new business model. (Bring back the 🐑)
@paulcarroll7054
@paulcarroll7054 Ай бұрын
I guess we need to ask, why were they “removed”? I just don’t trust JW’s anymore.. You don’t come back to Jehovah, you come back to a religious organisation, and then resubmit to the Gov. Body’s teachings unreservedly..
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 Ай бұрын
An entirely different organization than which one left, to boot.
@JadeChalmers-d1n
@JadeChalmers-d1n Ай бұрын
His acting skills. 🤣😫🤣😫 idk whether to laugh or cry
@giolan164
@giolan164 Ай бұрын
Good acting, but not enough to buy it.
@nadinefigueroabey5240
@nadinefigueroabey5240 Ай бұрын
They already destroyed families. My family still mistreat me because I'm not NOT a JW they're going to find out the hard way😢 😢😢
@BigGamePlayer-hi9lu
@BigGamePlayer-hi9lu Ай бұрын
LIGHTS ACTION CAMERA 🎬 bunch of JW actors 🐂💩
@RebelRosey
@RebelRosey Ай бұрын
Bad ones at that!
@SenorNeo
@SenorNeo Ай бұрын
I think all the crying is fake . It’s Acting
@marshamacmillan
@marshamacmillan Ай бұрын
Listen to the emotional music. The GB thinks they're slick!
@ASMR_Orangely
@ASMR_Orangely Ай бұрын
Why do they put emotional musics?
@marshamacmillan
@marshamacmillan Ай бұрын
@ASMR_Orangely It's designed to elicit an emotional response from an audience. It's used in a lot of media, like film and t.v.
@madamecurious
@madamecurious Ай бұрын
@@ASMR_Orangely, it’s a cult tactic.
@halfhumanhalfzombie
@halfhumanhalfzombie Ай бұрын
🤦🤦Not the Pillowgate creep again.
@tom-ss2mn
@tom-ss2mn Ай бұрын
Ive always understood that a person can be re-enstated after 6 to 12 months of ass kissing. Whats different about this new re-enstatement?
@humbles19
@humbles19 Ай бұрын
Omg, that fake emotional moment from governing body member???
@Taffy064
@Taffy064 Ай бұрын
I always thought that I was a rational person, yet I got drawn into this "religion" thank you so much for these uploads. I'm really not such a horrible person, I've spent pretty much my entire life trying to improve the lives of my fellow humans with learning difficulties. yet I felt as though I had to keep my family apart from my life as I tried to balance out the life that I wanted to live, and the life I was expected to live. I guess that I'm not making any sense now but your videos are so incredibly helpful. I can never thank you enough for your uploads. Please keep up the good work.
@danhendrickson6784
@danhendrickson6784 Ай бұрын
Crazy they hit rock bottom again to go back!
@NoBodyknows-n4b
@NoBodyknows-n4b 25 күн бұрын
This video had me in tears first time and I commented. That dismissal of family head and families laid out in the Bible as STRICT instruction to follow that they just brought it into their rules to totally dismiss and ignore Jehovahs ruling is absolutely " no words can described how I feel or think of them"
@laylajanka9398
@laylajanka9398 Ай бұрын
My dad has been interacting with his father since this. They were almost no contact for like 12 years. He's been in pain every time he thought about his dad. My grandfather is bitter and hurt that his whole family shunned him and has descended into wild conspiracy theories to cope. I'm lucky enough to have never been baptized but I married a disassociated man and my dad has only had 2 interactions with him. This fragmentation has hurt everyone of us. Noone is spared
@NoJediMindTrick
@NoJediMindTrick Ай бұрын
Dude used an emotional trick...like he's "moved/deeply hurt." He ACTED as if he's UNDERSTANDING. This makes the Governing Body look as IF they care. Trust...THEY DON'T.
@MJ-bt3ms
@MJ-bt3ms Ай бұрын
It's so tragic the amount of pain and suffering families have endured because of this belief. While I have not been removed officially, I have chosen to shun all witness family members that are still involved with this cult and found so much joy and peace after leaving. Severing all ties has been the best thing I have ever done. Wish them the best, but have moved on with unconditional love for all mankind as Jesus did.
@Fun.78
@Fun.78 9 күн бұрын
The entire Bible is all about love and kindness. Why this cult is far from this teaching is a life time question.
@richardwiggs4403
@richardwiggs4403 Ай бұрын
There ranks are dropping like rock...so looking at disfellowship ones is normal, doing what they did is NOT.
@fionabotha3422
@fionabotha3422 Ай бұрын
ONLY through JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, can we come to THE FATHER.
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