Examining Tawassul: Is it Shirk? | ep 116 | The Real Shia Beliefs

[@Thaqlain]

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[@thelordknows]

Mashallah very well explained Syed. May Allah bless you.

[@AFriendofAllTimes]

This is human fitra it is like revisiting a park from my childhood and feeling the love and warmth of good memories or if I lose my wife to visit a place where she and I used to enjoy. This is love and love is from Allah.

[@mohammadfoadtavakoli7118]

Mashallah very well explained

[@heregoes8839]

"Abu Bakr uncovered his face. He knelt down and kissed him and then started weeping and said, "My father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Prophet!"" - Bukhari 1241. Would Abu Bakr's actions upon visiting the prophet's (pbuh) dead body be considered shirk according to Salafism arguments?

[@Thaqlain]

Not just visiting. He addressed the corpse of the Prophet!

[@cybermax13]

@@Thaqlain hi brother, I dont think that is what they are upset about. this is not what they consider shirk. From what i understand, what they would consider shirk in that example is if this would have happened instead: abu bakir, instead of praying to god (eg praying for blessings), would instead go to the profit's grave and ask the profit for blessings. whether in the belief that the profit will grant the blessing directly or on the notion that the profit would then transfer this request to god. In both cases those people consider it as shirk. I dont think it is considered shirk unless the intention is clearly to worship another entity with god, let us not be silly, god knows what is in our heart, no one can do shirk by mistake or accident.. But also god commanded in the quran that du-aa should be with him exclusively. فلا تدعوا مع الله أحدا So it is certainly clear enough that god doesn't want this kind of thing, involving any profit or imam in du-aa is useless at best and a sin at worse, so why take the risk? just pray to god directly.

[@Thaqlain]

We have examined this in detail in later episodes. It is neither useless nor sin :)

[@Alswanphillycuseian]

Assalamualaikum wa rahmantullahi wa barakatu 🤲🏾🕋☪️🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴 #BrightFacedPeople #SHIA #AHLALBAYT LABAIKA YA HUSSAIN

[@GH-gb6ly]

INN ALLAHA WA MALAIKATAHU YU SALLUNA ALAN NABI YA AYYUHAL LAZEENA AMANU SALLU ALAIHI WA SALLIMU TASLIMA. ‘Verily, Allah and His Angels send blessings on the Prophet: O’ you who believe! Send blessings on him, and salute him with a worthy salutation. [Quran: Al Ahzab Chapter 33]

[@ali-r8263]

🙏🙏❤️❤️

[@JaefarSABNW]

Shirking from monotheism remains what it is and it is not paganism or heathenry, because those are just material culture styles. Intending not to call on other than God in worship, as a person does means they are treating them as intercessory gods and goddesses. What prophet said makes clear that the shirk categories of things is not allowed. If God says seek means, but not to call on others in worship. When the polytheists are monotheistic or don't believe their intercessory object, they remain polytheists.

[@JaefarSABNW]

@BALANCE-A Quran and Hadith never support the worship of creation thinking it will intercede for you. Linguistics show shirk would be to make partners by calling on creations like this.

[@JaefarSABNW]

@@BALANCE-A Al Quran makes my point against the Mushrikeen. It encourages people to pray for each other; not to worship intermediate figures as gods. No one can act beyond God's permission, but we can't blame God for misuse of free will.

[@JaefarSABNW]

@@BALANCE-A Even the narrative about A'immah condemns the Mushrikeen. Those present or seen in a vision being spoken to is not the same as praying to other than god, even if you think the power comes from godhead. Islam only teaches one can be so called on.

[@AmmarZaidi-825]

That is exactly what the video is saying, that intercession is not shirk. Several reasons were given. You missed the point it seems. If you’re adamant on associating shirk and intercession, then frankly that’s your issue

[@JaefarSABNW]

@@AmmarZaidi-825 Arabic and Prophet show how al Mushrikeen were regarded.

[@azfarmurtaza2234]

Salam. Surat al-Gafir verse 60 : Allah says call upon Me, I will respond to you. Then anyone calling for help or making a dua to an entity or a person (in our case Imams, who are in gaib, not alive) other than Allah is a wrongdoer, or a mushrikeen, in the context of this verse. I hope you reply and clear my doubt. Regards.

[@Nazi_Orangutan_17]

Allah also says in surah Maida, verse 35 : ... seek an intermediary/Waseela to Him(Allah)... So, Allah can be called upon directly or indirectly. Both options are valid.

[@azfarmurtaza2234]

@@Nazi_Orangutan_17 if you check the full verse 5.35, it says to do jihad for attaining closeness to Him. Similarly salat and reciting Quran are also means and ways of attaining closeness to Him.

[@H00H-H00H]

You can ask Allah directly for anything and you can ask the prophets and the imams to be a path between you and Allah to grant your dwaa is it likely for you to cross the river by swimming yourself or by using a bridge to help reach the other side ? The prophets snd the imams are the bridge between us and Allah. And as mentioned in surat yusuf : { قالوا يا أبانا استغفر لنا ذنوبنا إنا كنا خاطئين ( 97 ) قال سوف أستغفر لكم ربي إنه هو الغفور الرحيم ( 98 ) } "They said, "O our father, ask forgiveness for our sins, for we were sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you, my Lord, for He is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

[@Thaqlain]

No, he is not a wrongdoer nor a mushrik. Asking the divine representatives, especially the Prophet, is attested in the Quran.

[@Nazi_Orangutan_17]

@@azfarmurtaza2234 firstly, Salat, jihad are not technically intermediaries. They bring you close to Allah but they're directly addressed to Him. Not indirectly as in intermediaries. Even if you squeeze them into intermediaries, that doesn't mean others can't intermediate. Secondly, the prophet himself taught a dua including the tawassul of him to a blind companion in ibn majah 1385. Thirdly, there's no such distinction that an intermediary has to be a live human body. In fact you ate wrong to even call them dead. Surah ale imran verse 169 says : all Martyrs are alive. Fourthly, you don't really understand the concept of Waseela. The Waseela doesn't grant you your prayers by their own powers. The Waseela prays to Allah for you. And the prayer of a Waseela as great as the ahle bait for example, is much better and much more likely to be accepted than your own prayer.

[@Abdullah_6268]

This is shirk becasue you guys are like the idol worshipers who gave the creation of allah his own special abilities Idol worshipers give thir woden gods Allahs ability you give the imams allah special abilities Idol worshipers belive their false gods are all knowing and all hearing you guys think your 12 gods are all hearing and all knowing(elm al gahib) dosent matter which language you talk to them they understand it and hear it instantly Which only allah rab al alamin can do that and. كما قال تعالي قُلْ لَا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِنْدِي خَزَائِنُ اللَّهِ وَلَا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ وَلَا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ إِنِّي مَلَكٌ ۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ ۚ قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي الْأَعْمَىٰ وَالْبَصِيرُ ۚ أَفَلَا تَتَفَكَّرُونَ In this verse clearly says that even the prophet dosent knows elm al ghaib which you mushriks say our imam know all the gheib and in other verse allah saysإِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ Which means we alone worship you and we only ask you for help so stop sperdingshirk between our muslim brothers that dount know all of the rafiza aqeda is against quran and sunnah of prophet

[@Thaqlain]

It seems you made these conclusions without watching the entire episode :)

[@teamforhumanity]

Very weak argument given by Maulana. Seeking duas from Ahlalbait when they are beyond curtain of Ghaib, is nothing but shirk.

[@Thaqlain]

As Sayed has said, if asking Ahlulbayt is shirk, it should be shirk even in their lifetime. This is not the case, as the Quran endorses asking the Prophet. Also, we hope you have watched previous episodes of this chapter before reaching your conclusion.

[@teamforhumanity]

@Thaqlain my brother salam. All ties are cut upon death as per Quran. Please enlighten me if you have any verse to prove your case. My regards.

[@Thaqlain]

Sayed has answered all of these concerns in detail in the previous episodes. This is a misconception without any proof, which is sold to our Sunni brethren that 'all ties are cut after the death'.