Examining The Start Of 343 Industries’ Halo

[@BenPlaysGames]

✅ Subscribe: kzbin.info 🖱 Support the channel: www.patreon.com/ben_plays_games A good start to a chequered era.

[@vaniellys]

When looking at Bungie Halo games, they all start with a calm cutscene that sets up the ambiance and story. 343I games all start with an action cutscene where the character do something the player won't be able to do once gameplay starts, cutscene that has little link with the actual story of the game. I actually enjoyed Dawn, but I knew something was off when the QTE popped out of nowhere. And of course, the weird musical and artistic changes. But overall, it's a good level that reminded me of Pillar of Autumn (HCE) and Cairo Station (H2).

[@Janx14]

Its something i hadn't quite realized but you're right. I think in part of it is just wanting to flex their modern budget. h4 and h5 were also trying to be 'deep' while Infinite was busy trying to shove h5 under the rug despite spending most its story explaining what happened after h5. Bungie could arguably be called a good case of 'less is more', instead of slapping a random CGI cutscene on it, it starts off with a mostly humble, calm, in-engine cutscene. Honestly it felt more cohesive and 'immersive' to have a consistent look, rather than sudden CGI bursts. Similarly I'm not a terribly huge fan of the CGI cutscenes in H2A.

[@harrybeasley7857]

Halo ce literally starts with everyone rushing to battle stations as they prepare for covenant to invade their ship. Hardly calm

[@vaniellys]

@@harrybeasley7857 Halo CE starts with everyone rushing to prepare for battle. Every 343I games starts with a cutscene where Spartans do stuff you can't do in game.

[@JpStryder]

Halo 4 and 5 made me think about the legendary Lord British, Richard Garriots words: Don't show cool, let the players do the cool stuff! I loved the halo 4 intro, but it wasn't halo. Imagine going over those plans, then gameplay starts by you jumping out like the intro. Harder to do? Sure. But worth it!

[@TRG_R17]

Reply 5, ready to get back to work?

[@BladePocok]

What I didn't like about Halo 4 is the lack of ammo throughout the campaign. I had to actively switch between weapons because they were depleted so fast. This didn't happen in any of the previous games and at the end I never got used to it either.

[@graf1616]

I never saw the mistake made by 343 at 2:45, but the one that upsets me way more is at 4:30 when Chief says "I thought we had a truce with the covenant" which is just... very dumb? There was never a truce with the covenant in Halo (at this point in the story from Chief's perspective)... Humanity had a truce with the Elites, but was still at war with the Covenant. One of the last things Chief did before getting stuck in the Dawn was kill Truth. Any "truce" with the Covenant that occurred because of the death of Truth and the lighting of the ring at the end of Halo 3, Chief would not know about since he was in cryo the whole time... Just beyond stupid writing, and some of the more damning evidence that 343 (i.e. Frank O'Connor) literally knew nothing about the events that transpired in the Halo 1-3 beyond a synopsis level.

[@brianc6379]

I don’t know why but 343 not even caring enough to get the lore right filled me with disgust lol. I even told my friend at the time “what truce”. 343 you suck

[@uwesca6263]

My personal big issue with 4 is the weapon sandbox. It felt like they tried doing a "best of" in terms of weapon selection (and game overal) and felt short with it. We had to many weapons competing for the same spots. Especially compared to CE or odst. Now we had 3+ weapons (dmr,br,carbine,forerunner carbine) in every kategorie sometimes even more. It felt like the new studio wasnt sure about a lot of stuff and tried to please everybody at the cost of their own ideas.

[@minizimi3790]

The weapon sandbox and enemy design killed Halo 4. I definitely recommended Hokiebirds critique on 4, because it’s essentially a gameplay/mechanics analysis.

[@nihilist92]

@@minizimi3790beat me to it about Hokie. That video sums everything up

[@CaptainAhab117]

2:43 The story we get from the terminal could be UNSC propaganda. Perhaps ONI wanted to downplay the Arbiters contribution to the ending of the war?

[@dcaf94]

Yeah this is almost certainly the intent behind it. Especially given the themes 343 leaned into, showing the dubious and darker sides of the UNSC's morality.

[@Jacob-360]

I like that this mission plays and looks similar to pillar of autumn and Cairo station from previous games it gives you a sense of familiarity.

[@caramelldansen2204]

Familiar, or unoriginal?

[@swungwheel]

2:45 I’m pretty sure this is a result of Frank O’Connor not knowing what happened in the previous 3 mainline games

[@markss367]

This may be just an oversight considering 4s rough development

[@burge117]

Bleh 😅 Frank 😂 the less said the better.

[@lukebailey3662]

Maybe it's UNSC propaganda

[@KingBossBob]

@@lukebailey3662it’s not like miranda and johnson would be around to correct them

[@Mortablunt]

It's pretty correct. From Chief's perspective, the Covenent Civil War started within hours of getting to Delta Halo, and he learned about the Ark very shortly after getting back to earth. Given how the UNSC loves to pump up Spartans like crazy for propaganda whenever possible, much to the irritation of ODSTs, Marines, and Army, this is perfectly within line for the official story of events in universe.

[@OJ9992]

I never had a problem with Dawn. It was half way through Requiem I paused, sat back and just thought, “wtf is this?” It just wasn’t Halo, that special feeling was absent. I remember being so disappointed, 2012 was an extremely difficult year for me personally and I was really looking forward to to Halo 4 giving me a boost. I was actually pretty devastated when it fell miles short of what we were all expecting.

[@sandman8920]

I played through it years ago and thought it was shit. I recently played through all the bungie games again and thought hmm maybe give halo 4 a go again I got half way through the first level and thought no fuckin way am I wasting my time with this game it’s god awful!

[@AlexHristo]

@@sandman8920I thought that with halo 5 strongly

[@fastmadcow]

@@sandman8920I gave it a chance for about half the way before I kind of didn’t really enjoy it very much. I still ended up beating it at least. But this was the first halo title I would not beat on every difficulty. Spartans Ops was okay, it wasnt great or bad just okay. I disliked the multiplayer. Swat was still fun tho!

[@INFILTR8US]

Imagine living in a first world environment where you are so bored and pampered that this is the kind of thing you find time to complain about.

[@sandman8920]

@@INFILTR8US what?

[@Inferryu]

4:20 One thing nobody mentions about this elite, it had an energy sword, and Chief was "grappling" his head with BOTH of his hands, the elite, with arms completely unrestrained, had all the time of the world to just stab Chief, but instead, it just stood there getting a face massage and then trown out like the stunt extra it was.

[@gusfring8451]

-furry

[@Inferryu]

@@gusfring8451 ???

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Bro got a punch in the face from master chief. If that didnt disorient him in some form then I dont know what will

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Bro got a punch in the face from master chief. If that didnt disorient him in some form then I dont know what will.

[@TheJohnmurphy516]

halo 4 is truly a mixed bag of a game. it has some great moments both in gameplay and in story but has some very very very bad design choices. Its as if no one play tested it on legendary. the amount of times I ran out of ammo and had to back track was absurd. Somebody forgot that gameplay should trump story. give me marine allies in more levels not just to have friendlies but more importantly ammo and weapon variety. Some one forgot how important a dead marine in the corner with a rocket launcher can be.

[@katanafourzeronine]

4 good and even though it wasn't perfect, it was a genuine, authentic step forward by people doing their best. 5 is a product, even if I might have had fun w/it. Infinite is horribly mismanaged.

[@shifty_dragon3679]

I hope they can make a game with the sandbox fun of Infinite but the variety in the campaign of 4. 4 really felt like a journey, while Infinite felt limited in scope despite the near-perfect weapon sandbox.

[@NebLleb]

"Infinite is horribly mismanaged" says the Church of Suletta Mercury cultist. I'm not surprised people like you haven't been paying attention to how 343i have been trying to improve the multiplayer.

[@gjtrue]

Perfectly said. I recently replayed Halo 4 after many years and legitimately enjoyed it. Still thinking it was at least a good first attempt for the most part.

[@ErikLosLobos]

I always assumed the error you pointed out was just deliberate propaganda from ONI

[@spartan117zm]

I genuinely wouldn’t give them that much credit.

[@ErikLosLobos]

@@spartan117zm I dunno. I didn't mind Halo 4. It's not on the same level as the original trilogy, but not an insult like 5

[@KingBossBob]

ONI propaganda is so effective it breaks the 4th wall

[@thomsen5870]

Another good review. I always figured the terminal was an in-game example of ONI rebranding history for the Spartan propaganda. One thing I've never liked, that people don't seem to bring up, is when Chief finds the hologram of the sliced in half Dawn it's somehow become a Strident frigate instead of a Charon frigate.

[@michaelguernsey1206]

2:58 I garintee you that was frank O’Connor. Frank went from bungies “community manager” (a title he himself said didn’t even understand), to franchise lead director. He implemented a massive amount of story changes because he couldn’t be bothered with doing research and learning the lore of halo. I highly recommend the video “We were forerunner” by C3 saber tooth. It’s a long video but goes into great detail how much 343 changed and retconned for the worse.

[@BenPlaysGames]

Yeh most likely... and thanks dude, I'll add that to my list and have a watch this week.

[@michaelguernsey1206]

@@BenPlaysGames awesome!

[@tommymaxey2665]

Still can't believe he was in charge of Halo story for so long. He legit knew nothing. It's painfully obvious in Bungie trilogy that forerunners are ancient humans. Dude, 343 GS even says near the end of Halo 3, "You are Forerunner!". That was the big reveal at the end of Halo 3, and it flew over all of our heads

[@clydemarshall8095]

The nanotechnology excuse was bullshit. It was an art direction change born from a lack of respect for the original trilogy

[@NebLleb]

Or maybe THEY WANTED TO SPICE THINGS UP AFTER BUNGIE THEMSELVES DID SO WITH REACH. I mean good grief! You Biased Bungie Fanboys are even worse than 343i! You only think Halo is just the first three and not all of Bungie's games and 343i's and the Halo Wars RTS games. That is why I hate you and people like you: Your bias for Halos 1 2 & 3 clouds your memory to the point you don't even realise the stuff you like to use to make it look like 343i are the antichrist was _already done by Bungie themselves!_

[@NebLleb]

Or MAYBE 343I WANTED TO VARY THINGS UP AFTER BUNGIE THEMSELVES DID WITH THE REALISTIC ARTSTYLE OF REACH. This is why Biased Bungie Fanboys like you are the worst: You only focus on the original trilogy and not the other games in the series + the Halo Legends OVA and Books. And the fact that KZbin censored my prior response and 19 other Bungie trolls liked your comment is proof that KZbin censorship is deliberately enabling your stupidity and making it hard to call you people out. Bungie altered the artstyle to be more realistic. 343i followed suit and made the artstyle more futuristic. Grow up.

[@NebLleb]

"Lack of respect for the original trilogy" Or MAYBE 343i wanted to change the artstyle again because BUNGIE THEMSELVES did it already with Reach. For god's sake Biased Bungie Fanboy. Halo is more than just the first three games.

[@fastmadcow]

I remember liking Dawn quite a bit, other than the QTE and I wish there were slightly more enemies. I think 343 was a bit scared to throw lots of grunts at you for w/e reason which made the encounters feel way way to easy. Falling onto Requiem was a cool touch as Chief finds him self often falling onto or into planets lol. His Luck always finds a way tho 😂

[@skipdonaghue9451]

All is fine and well and dandy. And then, after a while, your brain pipes up with a "What the hell am I playin?!"

[@michaelmccaffety3131]

Agreed. It’s got a real Indiana Jones part 4 vibe. “I’m enjoying this. WTF is this?”

[@gabe1298]

I never liked 343's forays into Halo. Imo, they finally got the formula right with Infinite, and let that baby die as soon as it came out of the womb. Extraordinarily sad.

[@Oni_Evergarden]

LETS GOOOO WE ARE HERE. I love Halo 4's missions so I'm excited to see you shit on them and make me feel terrible

[@cpMetis]

3:00 This is the UNSC's story. The UNSC/ONI clearly has, in-canon, hyped the hell out of Master Chief as the lynchpin saviour of humanity. It would only make sense if this version of events was their propaganda version of events. The "Hero" everyone knows about saves the day. The Flood are COMPLETELY skipped over. The Covenant are already tearing themselves apart so they don't need to explain Covie politics or risk people sympathizing with aliens like the Elites. UNSC is treated as retroactively knowing things ahead of in reality and more in control so they seem more on top of things. Keyes - with her complicated family - and Johnson - as NOT public Spartan 1 - have their efforts reduced in importance to make The Hero of Humanity and the UNSC seem more competent, and they're dead so nobody will call it out. The Arbiter's importance is glossed over because the same, they are trying to be seen as the senior partner in that relationship so they're pretending his help wasn't as crucial as it really was. It just screams propaganda. Especially fits all the H3 marketing, where the interviews and museum treated MC as a great champion, and in other material taking place later. His legend just seems to grow out of control over the years. That's why Hunt the Truth has a reason to exist - everyone knows him, but almost nobody knows beyond his stated public story, hence why there's so much interest in looking into it.t

[@SheriffMeow]

Thank you lol, i thought this was obvious with the way it was framed in game.

[@sirvanscoy]

I remember getting Halo 4 well after release, despite the criticism of it I had heard... I played Dawn and fell in love, wondering how people could hate this game... Oh how naive I was...

[@TheSaintDario]

I've never noticed this, but at 1:05 when chief pulls the charging handle for the assault rifle back, he's doing so on the wrong side.. 😂

[@caramelldansen2204]

😂

[@PROonTOP13]

I do admit... I miss the Halo 4's radar details and live feed comm display in the HUD

[@egyptiandoge]

What Halo 4 opening could have been: Master Chief wakes up to a joint Elites and UNSC salvaging/Search and Rescue crew, Chief is reunited with Arbiter but the reunion is cut short when the Forward Unto Dawn wreck is boarded by hostile Promethean constructs. They fought off the constructs but got sucked into Requiem and began to realize they need to face the Didact to get off the planet, warn the galaxy of his impending threat.

[@SparrowEmpire]

They named themselves after the character that betrayed Master Chief, and then spent the next 17 years betraying master Chief and all Halo fans. Could’ve said that and had a 5 second yt short

[@frankm35506]

This is so wrong. Infinite is a great game, 4 was decent. Halo 5 is the only one that's really bad

[@SparrowEmpire]

@@frankm35506 infinte released about 1/3 finished with an acceptable campaign and major networking/netcode issues they are still dealing with today. I don’t think I need to elaborate on the other two. Especially 5.

[@NebLleb]

Grow up, Biased Bungie scum.

[@turdwallet8840]

2:45 the irony of 343 within in the first level showing they don’t even know what happened in the previous trilogy is more staggering when you realize Frank O’Connor wrote all of 343’s halo lore and stories. He’d been at bungie since halo 2. Not only did no one catch these mistakes, but they were written by the franchise director himself.

[@beastmode1915]

I’d like to say that it’s possible the greater UNSC (at the time the UNSC FUD went MIA) may have not known all the events that went on during the Battle of Installation-05, and that’s why there were some errors in the terminal recounting events correctly. While it may be have been a fault on 343 for it being there, the above could be a canon reason for it to possibly exist

[@jensonkiin3678]

That terminal also said that Chief arrived at Delta Halo to find thr Schism already underway, which isn't true. The Schism doesn't erupt until after Chief already killed Regret and was captured by the Gravemind.

[@beefcake8624]

I hated this game since release night. Multiplayer was too much like cod and the story was so bad I can't remember a single character besides chief and Cortana. I've been playing every halo with my brother on legendary co op since he never played halo. We got to 4 and he was shocked at how bad it was. The story was so corny we couldn't help, but laugh. The balancing is also a nightmare. The promethium weapons are so bad it hurts. It's also hard to tell when the knights'shields are down. That was the first time I've played the campaign since 2012. The multiplayer on MCC does feel better than at launch somehow.

[@caramelldansen2204]

The first fall, of many to come. What a tragic farce. 😢

[@spartanjohn-1176]

Ne, reach killed halo.

[@caramelldansen2204]

@@spartanjohn-1176 It was definitely a stumble, but hardly a fall.

[@caramelldansen2204]

Also, what's "ne"?

[@spartanjohn-1176]

​@@caramelldansen2204reach killed halo. Facts.

[@caramelldansen2204]

@@spartanjohn-1176 No, Microsoft killed Halo. Good luck justifying your nonsense.

[@Liberatorx13]

I love halo 4!

[@inductivegrunt94]

4 was not perfect, but it's not bad at all. Dawn is really one of the best levels 343 made and one of the best levels in Halo 4. I honestly like this level.

[@Nick-4K]

This is how the Halo 4 should have started. Chief wakes up, his armor is damaged. While in cryo, Cortana built new armor in the armory for him. Chief has to fight through the ship in his weaker, slower armor. He can't sprint in it. Then he gets to armory, gets new halo 4 armor and suddenly is able to sprint and has more abilities. Boom. Game becomes 100% better cause no micro bots bs. Haha

[@Guranga93]

It makes no sense for her to be able to make a new armor with the technology onboard the ship

[@wesss9353]

No discussion of Halo Wars? Also QTE was the dumbest thing 343i has done, besides not knowing that Master Chief was the main character

[@Grandmaster_1776]

Yeah because they going to make a video about 343 and talk about a game they didn’t make 😂

[@wesss9353]

@@Grandmaster_1776 I was pretty drunk when halo wars came out... Thought it was 343

[@wesss9353]

@@Grandmaster_1776 343i had a hand in Halo Wars....

[@filipgaecki5480]

​@@wesss9353how exactly? It was made under Bungie's eye

[@TRG_R17]

Reply 5, pretty sure he's talking about halo wars 2​@@filipgaecki5480

[@lukedyde6384]

I'd love you to continue your mission by mission reviews and do Halo 5, I recently replayed it and I found a lot to love now that time has moved on.

[@XelitexX360]

Glad to see you will cover the 343 Halo games. Even tho I don't think they will surpass the Bungie ones, these analysis videos are pretty cool and i'm definitely looking forward to see them all. Cheers mate!

[@ashleykirin3893]

The whole "nano machine" explanation is so weird. If you know anything about the Halo lore you'd know that the "nano machines" don't even exist in universe until the Mjolnir armor is redesigned for the Spartan IVs. Chief's mark V and mark VI armor never had that. It's just a lazy excuse. I've always enjoyed Halo 4 but, as someone who loves expanded lore, Halo 4 always bugged me with those things.

[@tommymaxey2665]

Dawn doesn't start off terribly. It goes over the basic points of thought master cheif and Cortana would have. Where are we, why are Elites fighting us, why are they speaking their alien language, and more stuff like that. The mission flows pretty well. A few minutes giving us bretahing room to get familiar with controls. Covenant come in boarding parties. Then a out door space segment to top things off. A fairly strong start to Halo 4, but the rest of the campaign didnt do so well

[@Luckyred7]

I found halo reach handled the call of duty style moments best. They kept it to first person cinematics without QTE prompts. A key thing throughout bungies halo games was keeping the player in control throughout the levels. There is a gameplay reason why button presses weren't a 2 second cinematic until halo 4. There are many larger gameplay mistakes made but this is one that persists throughout all of 343i's games and is really unnecessary, sounds like a minor nitpick but these decisions pile up to make a worse experience In the dev commentaries you can hear about how Joeseph Staten had to trim down cutscenes in halo CE and 2 because they had to strike a balance so players wouldn't get bored and ignore the story

[@Ivan_Ooze]

I’m still convinced halo4,5 and infinite take place in the TV show timeline

[@nagger8216]

I'd be down for that, honestly. All the shitty stuff remains in the new Silver timeline, all the original games stay in their own timeline.

[@filipgaecki5480]

The fact you compare halo 4 or infinite to the tv series shows incerdible ammounts of stupidity. The games might not be the best but to compare them to the tv series is just a cheap way of saying "I hate 343 so I demand everything they make cease to exist"

[@Ivan_Ooze]

@@filipgaecki5480 how the hell did you get that from what I wrote? You having a bad day?

[@filipgaecki5480]

@@Ivan_Ooze you litreally said you refuse to believe 343 games follow the same canon as Bungie's games and compared their quality to the tv series did you not?

[@nagger8216]

@@filipgaecki5480 How? 343 has been doing the same shit the show has been doing for more than a decade now. Cringe melodrama? Check. Ruining Chief? Check. Ruining Cortana? Check. Ruining Halsey? Check. Ruining the UNSC? Check. Ruining the Covenant? Check. I can't wait until we get to the actual Halo ring and Guilty Spark gives Chief the exposition dump about the Forerunners being fishfaced Voldemort creatures that chose humanity to reclaim their legacy because they were both made by an even ancienter, mysteriouser race. And that the Flood was created because the humans somehow thought it was a good idea to feed this weird dust to their dogs. Because then I can say they ruined both the Forerunners and Flood too.

[@internets6501]

I will never understand KZbinrs that critique music and not play the examples of what they’re talking about

[@rvalent9366]

Imo the only problem of this level is the cgi introduction, which has nothing to do with the rest of the campaign, only spartan ops which they dropped...

[@rvalent9366]

To me the music at 7:49 is perfectly picked, as the music going down tells you what cortana just did is something big, and the whole orchestra bringing epicness to your battle against a spaceship

[@averagemug]

I think the lire being messed up at 2:45 was done on purpose. The UNSC are telling a false version of Halo's forst three stories making Master Chief look like an icon people look up to.

[@bluejayfabrications2216]

I found that terminal on my first playthrough I paused the game though about it for a second and looked for a recap of the story on Google then went back and played the terminal again I thought it had to be intentional like an alternative timeline universe BS Then the elite looked horrible i thought hmm maby that ones from a different race or blood line what ever Then the open battel on the hull where the BR was right Infront of me arrrrr thats the halo magic But then struggle to lift and turn the handle thing for the missile system when i could flip a Scorpion in CE without lowering my wepon Not to mention why the hell are the manual overrides on the outside of the ship And can only just be activated by a Spartan thats just bad design But what was the nail in the coffin was landing on requiem hopping into a warthog and that horrible noise it made honestly i paused the game and wondered what the hell i was playing

[@Wigga4787]

Speaking of the landing on Requiem, how exactly DOES the Chief survive the fall from high orbit? If there was anything we saw to help slow the fall enough, that would be one thing, but we don't see anything like that. Everything crashes and fades out, then he just gets right back up. Only plot armor saves someone from a fall that high..

[@bluejayfabrications2216]

@@Wigga4787 not sure I imagine that if it can generate a gravity well it can possibly create a soft landing but it's bad world building

[@Wigga4787]

@@bluejayfabrications2216 Maybe? A little more effort from 343 could've helped that, but I agree it's bad. But at least not as bad as the Chief floating around in space for 6 months without eating or drinking or anything else and then being car-jumped back in the beginning of Infinite.

[@survivormandan8576]

You should do a video talking about the terrible failure that is halo infinite, how did we get such a bad game? Anybody who likes that either ate paint chips as a child, or is getting paid to shill the game

[@sandman8920]

I absolutely hate the art style and the game just feels off! It’s just shite I have nothing good to say about it. If you look at reviews at the time it blows my mind how positive they are!

[@maineiacman]

Halo 4s campaign taught me to play 343 campaigns on legendary to start with so I never have to play them again.

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Yeah, halo 4 is generally mid. Its a good game, its just not a good halo game.

[@Tk-427]

"Nano machines son"

[@desrenehanirl7]

I think 4 would be remembered more fondly if 5 hadn’t been such a colossal disaster. There’s plenty to dislike about it but they also got some things spot on.

[@OJ9992]

The other way around bro, Halo 4 only gets a reprieve in retrospect because the follow up was even worse.

[@Raphix]

4 is bad, 5 is so bad that people pretend it doesn't exist

[@nagger8216]

​@@OJ9992Yeah I agree. I think this game did way more damage to Halo's story, characters and lore than the evil Cortana shit did in Halo 5. Like, they completely contradicted the entire reason the Prophets' declared war against humanity, how did the war even start now?

[@Guranga93]

Halo 4 shits all over the og games story and ruined so much lore it became an insult to Bungie

[@KRawatXP2003]

H4 music is more suitable for star wars or something else.

[@torb-no]

Great video as always! (Finally managed to catch one shortly after upload!) I think (?) this is my fav level in 4. As for Chiefs suit… I don't understand why they just didn’t say ”we changed the art direction”. You don't always need in-lore explanations for everything. While I dislike parts of 4s art, I actually think chief looks great and is remarkably expressive with it's animations and movements,.

[@e1venkind946]

I think that vid message might have been an attempt at propaganda.

[@BuckeyeNut123]

title misleading

[@frankwren8215]

343i is and always has been a studio full of people who did not like Halo, which is what the execs intended. There's a great video that perfectly explains what's wrong with 343i's tone for Halo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpaTg2ZjaLpnj6c

[@stealthynaxo]

The problem I had with 4 and 5 as well is that narrative speaking they were the same as 1 & 2 but very hastly put together. 343 played it safe in that regard and focus on rewriting lore rather than adding to it.

[@felipegutierrez9087]

I think some of the problems when is comes to the lighting will be the same for CEA for the “updated” versions

[@agonefire]

Imagine if Microsoft had decided to push back Halo 4 a year and use it as a launch title for the Xbone.

[@TRG_R17]

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[@joshosborne683]

Having that arbiter reference would've been a perfect nod to the friendly elites

[@fastmadcow]

I never really liked the scale of those covenant ships. They don’t feel real lol

[@rm25088]

I was wondering when you would do this.

[@brianc6379]

Why does 343 think they can just phone in the continuation of a beloved powerhouse of a franchise? Are they stupid, lazy or just incompetent?

[@todddouglas7231]

4:31 - This. This is the moment 15 yr old me in 2012 knew these 343 games were not within the same canon as Bungie's games. "I thought we had a 'truce' with the covenant" It's like they want you to know: within the first 5 minutes of 343's first new halo game, they make up a huge critical plot point. Never once in CE-Reach was there ever a 'truce' with the covenant. Only in Halo Legends 'origins' (written by the 343's frank o connor) was that shoehorned into the story. This makes all the lore changes we see throughout the rest of Halo 4 a lot more easier to digest. It's a completely different timeline than Bungie's games. Therefore to me, Master Chief's story ended with him in cryosleep, drifting through space, a legend. Halo 4 and onward is all fan fiction.

[@burge117]

Couldn't agree more 😊

[@HuRC-425]

doesnt he mean the truce at the end of halo 3? or am i trippin

[@burge117]

@HuRC-425 Wait...I just read it again. I mean there was a truce with the Elites at the end of Halo 2 and arguably, a truce at the end of the war, or the end of Halo 3. Everyone else was broken and beaten, with the exception of the UNSC and the Elites.

[@HuRC-425]

@@burge117 yeah that's what I was thinking

[@todddouglas7231]

@@HuRC-425 You must be tripping man cause that never happened lol the covenant was destroyed by the end of halo 3

[@Raphix]

This was my 9/11

[@NebLleb]

"Duuuuur Halo 4 is just like a terrorist attack! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~" Please. Grow up.

[@sandman8920]

God I hate palmer!

[@felipegutierrez9087]

I remember when Halo 4 came out, it had such big shoe to fill with reach being the last halo title since. But I think 343 did good in expanding the lore with the forerunners, definitely is not a bad game but can see some flaws

[@vancodling4223]

I'm not here to say it's not their right to to be able to change the forrunner lore, I'm just gonna say I thing what they added was bad and showed me they didn't understand the previous games. It's fine to like it tho, just not for me

[@Guranga93]

They ruined the forerunner lore and made the og games make no sense whatsoever and completely pointless

[@filipgaecki5480]

​@@Guranga93explain becouse none of what you said makes any sense

[@Guranga93]

@@filipgaecki5480 The entire point of the Human-Covenant war is that the Covenant thinks humans are some Forerunner defiling degenerates when in actuality they *are* Forerunners, they were lied to by the prophets to hide that fact so they could remain in power. 343 retconned it and turned them into a separate vampire looking aliens species with the most brain dead lore imaginable (All thanks to Frank O'Connor the ''janitor'' at Bungie) and rendering the og trilogy completely pointless and make no sense as to why they wouldn't just incorporate them into the Covenant.

[@Ronderal]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the awful explosion when the missile hit the covenant ship. I hope you touch on this later... All the big explosions in H4 suck

[@filipgaecki5480]

Halo 4 always was and forever will be my favourite entry in the franchise. The fact there are things people could rightfully criticise and they litreally pick the most pointless things like QTE's somehow destroying the entire game is kinda funny ngl

[@spartanjohn-1176]

Stop bothering about Halo 4 and go play your boring, slow games with old cardboard graphics.

[@anecdoteskywalker]

People always hate me for saying this but 4 is my favorite single player campaign. With 5/guardians being my favorite multiplayer. I love the Bungie games but thought 4 & 5 had some of the best gameplay ideas respectively

[@LvUrFR3NZ-a-CrazyDiamond]

Guardians multiplayer is justifiable And 4... O prefer CE because of its different mood. It's a super interesting narrative although I liked 4 too

[@ShaftCommander]

I can tell from this comment section that I’m not going to enjoy H4’s review like I did the others. Too many people shit on it because not bungie. Proving these types of players have the depth of a kiddie pool with a leak in it. Be better.

[@filipgaecki5480]

Yup. They go as far as compare it to the tv show. What a joke

[@markss367]

Tbf halos ost started to deviate in reach and odst 4 was just continuing that trend.

[@caramelldansen2204]

Reach's and ODST's deviations match the differences also present in setting, gameplay and narrative. 4's deviations are in quality and competency alone. 💀

[@markss367]

@@caramelldansen2204 what Both followed the same trend different setting different tunes

[@caramelldansen2204]

@@markss367 What a bizarre sentiment. ODST's and Reach's soundtracks are legitimately brilliant. They're masterpieces unto their own, and have set a very high bar that will not be reached (heh) for decades. 4's soundtrack is about as generic and cookie-cutter as can be. It, at best, chases the industry's tail and sticks to middle-of-the-road mediocrity. "Both are different, so... (???)" is such a strange opinion that I'm not even sure what you're implying, aside from: - "it's ok for Halo 4 to be worse because worse is different, and ODST's/Reach's music was different too" or - "quality doesn't matter, the music should have been exactly like 1's/2's/3's, anything that isn't identical to those must be bad"

[@markss367]

@@caramelldansen2204 reachs ost is bland af generic in some cases as it and isnt as memorable Compared to h2 for example. Now 4s is different but has some of the best tracks that in their own way throw back to ce

[@caramelldansen2204]

@@markss367 It's okay to disagree with me, not everyone can be right or have good taste.

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

One of my favorite halo games, I love it so much

[@NebLleb]

Comment section: 10% people rationally debating the merits of the level 90% Biased Bungie Fanboys yelling "343 INDUSTRIES _BETRAYED US AND BETRAYED HALO!_ *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~"* And people wonder why I consider Halo the most toxic fandom this side of Star Wars.